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Subject: tape trade
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 00:31:07 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: Tour Reactions
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 09:09:11 +0100
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: stars on esp/shaving kit
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 10:43:59 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Underground Lovers & Ivo remixes
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 10:43:26 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Scala, Cure
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 09:31:35 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: New / Old Cure..... (Other "Goth" stuff)
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 05:29:20 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Hello
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 23:31:19 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: cocteau stuff
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 09:13:23 -0700
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: CT Tour on sale yet?
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 12:44:49 -0400
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: (non-4AD) giving a talk today, 8 page story
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 09:23:25 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: CT Tour on sale yet?
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 14:10:17 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: wow! sarah peacock CAN sing...
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 09:20:30 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: CT tickets in NYC area
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 14:32:30 -0400
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Mojave3/Leonard Cohen
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:48:23 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Re: JENSING THE HUITE
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 20:48:00 BST
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Mojave3/Leonard Cohen
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 16:11:52 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: interview w/RACHEL GOSWELL
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 20:53:00 +0200
From: David Bluhm (dabl@KEY.GUN.DE)
Subject: LA: free show/free bar
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 18:59:34 -0700
From: Super 31 (super31@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Cure (100% non 4AD)
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 19:10:59 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)

Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 00:31:07 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: tape trade


    Hello. I want stuff from these bands to make tape trades.

    Autechre, Telescopes, LFO, Global Comunication, Sabres of
Paradise, Quickspace Supersport, Bowery Electric, Alison's Halo,
Pram, Elysium, Closedown, Pelican Daughters, Swirlies, Shallow,
Rosewather Elizabeth, Zoviet France, Nick Cave, Cardinal, Fuxa,
Scala, Disjecta, ETK, Eternal, Suicide, etc..
    And great bands that i don't know and should listen would be
great too!

    In retribution i have great stuff from: Silvania,
lovesliescrushing, pram, love spyrals downwards, cranes, slowdive,
pale saints, his name is alive, cocteau, clan of xymox, seefeel,
laika, mc5, velvet underground, ride, spacetime continuum, mbv,
curve, insides, spacemen 3, spiritualized, spectrum, e.a.r.,
darkside, etc.

    So email me if interested.

    Regards.

            Wilder.


Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 09:09:11 +0100
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Tour Reactions


On Tue, 14 May 1996, Kennedy Cosker wrote:
>     I must say that after the last tour in San Francisco I am very
>     hestitant to go to another. Does anyone remember Liz's interesting
>     vocal techniques during this tour? Liz's vocals were...very interesting
>     to say the least. Liz improvised over every song. The instruments
>     sounded wonderful but Liz's yodels and screaches were quite painful for
>     me and others. I finally sat out in the lobby with a bunch of other
>     folks. It didn't sound too bad from out there.
>
>     Kennedy
>
Yeah, I got a bootleg of gigs in the UK and in some ways it makes me and
my girlfriend burst out laughing. There's too much overkill on the
overdubs. Its like she takes a quick sniff of helium before each song
which kicks in at the end of every line of the song.

'h'y

Snapper - http://asegweb.ohm.york.ac.uk/tsb/music.html


Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 10:43:59 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: stars on esp/shaving kit


>i happen to have an extra copy of this.  i want to trade it for the shaving
>kit cd (the track listing's the same as the tape, right?)

No it isn't. The Shaving Kit CD features 4 albums tracks each by Lush,
Scheer and Mojave 3.

Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 10:43:26 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Underground Lovers & Ivo remixes


>> About the Ivo-Remix: do you know if the Ivo remix you mention, is one
>> of the mixes on the 4AD/GUERNICA 'I Was Right' promo-only 12" (GU 2 46)?
This >> 12" contains the LP version, and extended mix (10'00") and a remix
(3'16"), >> but the label doesn't mention the people involved in the (re)mixing.
>
>My copy of "I was right" come as a bonus disc to the "Dream It Down" CD
>of 1994. This disc had:
>
>  3. "I Was Right"   (extended remix) (10'00)
>
>The disc mentions that the remix of "I Was Right" was by Watts-Russell
>comma Ivo full-stop. I presume that is the same remix that appears on the
>12" promo.


The 'I Was Right' 3'16" remix on the GUERNICA GU 2 46 promo 12" is an edited
version of the 10'00" extended mix. So that 2 Ivo's (a short one and a long
one) on one 12"!!


Frank

+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 09:31:35 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Scala, Cure


 aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl 
 wrote on Tue, 14 May 1996
 (Subject: Re: Cure (99% non 4AD))
 > well this Cure thing is as bad now neh far worse than that pathetic
 > attempt by Love and Rockets.  GIVE IT UP GUYS, it is too late to go
 > gracefully, so at least go before we die laughing,,,euthelene,
 > who's really ticked off that these groups think that these releases
 > were worth killing all those defenseless little polymor babies.

I'll just add a dissenting voice - I think the new Cure album is rather
good, but then I didn't spend my adolescence locked in my bedroom
listening to "Faith" and experimenting with eyeliner.  Like Lush, I
wasn't expecting the Greatest Album of All Time, so I wasn't
disappointed (I have probably listened to "Lovelife" more than any other
Lush album).  It's a varied collection of shortish songs, some odd
instruments, "Wild Mood Swings" is a fairly apt description.  I can see
why it doesn't appeal to all the (ex?) goths on the list, but my
favourite Cure album was always the singles collection, so I like this
one.

 ".mark."  wrote on Tue, 14 May 1996
 (Subject: wow! sarah peacock CAN sing...)
 >
 > the details: Scala-Tears b/w Triptych Too Pure (Pure 56)
 >

In addition to Seefeel's "other three" this features Mark "fifth member
of Seefeel" Van Hoen.  If someone had told me this was something Seefeel
had recorded before "More Like Space" I would believe it - it's much
closer to their guitar band roots than anything released under the
Seefeel name.

 > so, my questions: was there a scala album before this? was it this
 > good? why didn't anyone say anything about it? also, isn't there
 > more scala being released on toopure in the near future? when &
 > what exactly is it???

They were supposed to release two "vinyl EPs" - this single is a
shortish 7", and there's supposed to be another 7" soon, followed by a
CD compilation.  The 7" is supposed to be very limited (300 copies
according to Selectadisc).  I was expecting something a bit longer - I
think there was a press release posted to this list which boasted that
they had recorded loads of songs.

Other recent purchases: Labradford's "Scenic Recovery" 10" on
Stereolab's Duophonic label - two tracks, pretty run-of-the-mill stuff
similar to the last album (which I didn't like as much as the first
one).  And I chanced upon the latest Quickspace Supersport 7" (they seem
to have become simply Quickspace now).  Hand-assembled sleeve, probably
extremely limited, haven't actually had time to listen to it yet.  Why
don't they stop farting about with limited edition seven inch singles
and put out more stuff like "Superplus" that will be accessible to
everyone?

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 15/05/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Orbital - In Sides


Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 05:29:20 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: New / Old Cure..... (Other "Goth" stuff)


Recent discussions have made the new cure sound pretty shite compared
to older releases. I'm not so sure about the shite part (I havn't heard the new
LP, but Wish was ok by me), -  different is the word I would use. And I was one 
f
these ultra Goths sitting in my room playing faith and 17 seconds. But people
change. And so does their music. I reckon Bob also changed - I can't see him
being overly excited by recording a nineties version of Pornography.

I found the same thing with Siouxsie, Sisters, Mission plus plenty others.
Take Neverland by the Mission. I think this is a brilliant LP, totally different
to
Gods Own Medicine which was also a brilliant LP. But oh so different.

Judging recent music on 12 year old releases is pointless. I think it boils down
to being in the mood for a certain release. I will still listen to Faith, but to
orrow
I'd cringe at thinking to it.

Shit, where does this crap come from?

Chris


Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 23:31:19 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Hello


Hi y'all I'm a website reviewer for my student paper ENTROPY. and I was
wondering if there was any 4AD sites (besides the obvious 4AD The Site and
Eyesore) or any other music related websites that are worth a look at?
The criteria is that the site should be well designed and provides good
information with a bit if interactivity thrown in.
Pls. reply privately so as not to clog up the list.

Thanx all
Arthur

later

Artc


Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 09:13:23 -0700
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: cocteau stuff


Howdy.

I was cleaning out my closet and came across a "media packet" on the
Cocteau Twins that I got when they were on the 4CC tour. Basically a
bunch of old articles photocopied. Before I tossed it in the recylcing
bin just thought I'd see if anyone had any interest in it. Please email
me personally.

matthew

Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 12:44:49 -0400
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: CT Tour on sale yet?



Does anyone know if  the Cocteau Twins' summer U.S. tour tickets
are on sale yet? If not, when? Please share the info. if you
have it!

Thanks,
-B

==============================================
Brendon Macaraeg
Finger macaragb@acf2.nyu.edu for public PGP key

Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 09:23:25 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: (non-4AD) giving a talk today, 8 page story


I thought I'd just mention for any UCLA people on here
that I'm giving a talk on my astronomy research today
at UCLA (Math Sciences Bldg, Rm 8911) at 1:00pm. Come
for the free pizza at 12:45.

Back to music: Eight Page Story is playing this Saturday
night at Haven in Pomona. Go see this brilliant, brilliant band.
Haven is in that little outdoor mall area around the center of town.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 14:10:17 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: CT Tour on sale yet?


On Wed, 15 May 1996, Brendon Macaraeg wrote:

> Hi:
>
> Does anyone know if  the Cocteau Twins' summer U.S. tour tickets
> are on sale yet? If not, when? Please share the info. if you
> have it!


        i cant get jack shit out of anyone. i called the promoter,
        the venue, ticketbastard....  im gittin antsy!

        dna

Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 09:20:30 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: wow! sarah peacock CAN sing...


.mark. writes
>yeah, this is great stuff.  want a copy?  write to EAR/Rational at:
>ear@xmission.com (no, i'm not their propagandaminister, just trying to be
>helpful)

Eek! That won't make Dave very happy, as that's his personal e-mail
address, _not_ the way to order product from Ear/Rational. The preferred
thing is to either

(a) surf over to http://www.xmission.com/~ear/
(b) send mail to ear-rational@xmission.com and put, uh, something like
"help" or "info" in the body and subject of the message. That's their
automated response service.

Anyhow thanks for the Scala review and I will definitely be picking up
this puppy...

__________          ___________________          ________________________
Jens Alfke          OpenDoc Optimizator          jens@apple.com     [work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

              "Dreeb! Dreeb! I am the Fuse-Box Dwarf!"
                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/

Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 14:32:30 -0400
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: CT tickets in NYC area



This week's Village Voice has an ad for
the Cocteau Twins show at the Roxy
June 12. Tickets go on sale
Friday morning (~$20).
Mark Clifford will be DJing after the
show....

-B


Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:48:23 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Mojave3/Leonard Cohen


Does anyone think Mojave3 invokes the (still-living) spirit of Leonard Cohen?
I've been listening to the STP tape and had been trying to determine who they
reminded me of, and today, I realized.  Something about the atmosphere, tempo,
chord changes, and intermingling of male and female voices done in a folk style
really reminds me of LC.  Of course, the two songs (Where is the Love and Mercy)
are all the exposure I've had to this band, since I missed the tour. :(

Also regarding the STP tape, this was also my first exposure to Scheer, which
has been getting a general bad rap from this list.  I think I like it, though.
I see where the "heavy metal wanking" term came from, but the contrast of the
aggressive guitars and rapid tempo against the vocalist's (what's her name?)
sweet voice are quite nice, IMHO.

On an unrelated note:
        For all you who recommended the movie Delicatessen, thanks.  It was
definitely a great film.  It didn't quite affect me the way City of Lost
Children did, but still very entertaining.


Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 20:48:00 BST
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: JENSING THE HUITE


seann harding <103476.1771@COMPUSERVE.COM> wrote:

| As for Jens, I believe you monitor all incoming posts just in case
| there's an opportunity to say "Check the FAQ".  Sure, it may be in the
| freakin FAQ but why not just tell the poster the answer anyways!!

Why the hell? I read the FAQ, and I think most other people do. It's a
nice way to avoid being flamed for posting FAQs...and should be basic
*every* time you subscribe to a mailing list. If you haven't read it,
you don't deserve to get the answer to your question. You deserve to
be told to read the FAQ.


| That way, people wont be so intimidated about posting something on this
| list and may come back a second time.

If that intimidates anyone, they sure are sensitive.

| Do you realise this lists gets mocked ON OTHER LISTS?

Fear and loathing! What lists? I dread to think what they say about
us.

| Jens, your FAQ is very nice and helpful but PLEASE, you don't need
| to be a REF of the list, you know!!

Seems like you're trying to take over the role.

Mind you, I don't get all the promos either, but I like to know which
ones are released. It's very on-topic (as opposed to this silly
thread), and if you don't want to read Huite's posts - don't.

Come to think of it, I quite like the new Stereolab. It grows on
you...

--
  "Exterminate all rational thought --
   That is the conclusion I have come to."


Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 16:11:52 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Mojave3/Leonard Cohen


> Does anyone think Mojave3 invokes the (still-living) spirit of Leonard Cohen?
> I've been listening to the STP tape and had been trying to determine who they
> reminded me of, and today, I realized.  Something about the atmosphere, tempo,
> chord changes, and intermingling of male and female voices done in a folk styl

> really reminds me of LC.  Of course, the two songs (Where is the Love and Merc
)
> are all the exposure I've had to this band, since I missed the
> tour. :(

While Mojave 3 remind me of many artists, Leonard Cohen is the
obvious choice for strongest influence.

moran@hal-pc.org


Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 20:53:00 +0200
From: David Bluhm (dabl@KEY.GUN.DE)
Subject: Re: interview w/RACHEL GOSWELL




tmp>>The absolute highlight of
tmp>>the evening was Lush's last encore when Miki announced their "4AD
tmp>>supergroup" where Lush performed "Ciao" with Neil Halstead doing Jarvis'
tmp>>vocals, Ian McCutcheon (M3) on tambourine, and Audrey Gallagher (scheer)
tmp>>doing back-up "aahh" vocals.  INCREDIBLE.  Neil was drunk as a skunk
tmp>>wearing Ian's cowboy hat, but it still sounded better than the LP
tmp>>version.
tmp>
tmp>Now THERE'S one for the bootlegs!

Yeah, and hopefully someone taped it! If so, contact me as soon as
possible!!!!


yours tired, but still                 "Finding myself used to be hard,
optimistically paranoid,                But now I see the light,
                      David             If love is a drug
                                        Then I don't need it"
                                                 -THE VERVE, This Is Music



## CrossPoint v3.11 ##


Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 18:59:34 -0700
From: Super 31 (super31@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: LA: free show/free bar


Normally, I don't believe in self promotion, but in this case,
it includes free alcohol so....

Super Thirty-One at Mogul's this Thursday night. Admission
is free and the bar is free -- the aim of the show is to
draw attention to new music/unsigned local bands...

Mogul's is one of the better clubs in LA. Its located
1/2 a block off Hollywood Blvd on Schrader.
Doors open at 9pm


Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 19:10:59 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Cure (100% non 4AD)


On Tue, 14 May 1996, aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl wrote:

> well this Cure thing is as bad now neh far worse than that pathetic
> attempt by Love and Rockets.

What problem do you have with the new Love and Rockets? I was pretty
disappointed with most of the last album (granted, I never expect too
much from them) but to me this represents not only a total recovery but
an improvement on just about everything that came before. For the first
time, they don't strike me as affected and phony like they usually do. I
honestly never expected to hear a love and rockets album that just
sounded like they wrote some songs and had fun with them and said fuck it
let's put them out. The result is an album that has some weak points but
nothing offensive, and some songs that completely blow me away. Tracks 7,
8, and 9 especially work. In a year that has been pretty damned
disappointing this album has been one of the few real high points, one of
the few purchases I haven't in any way regretted. It does gate on the
nerves a bit and it does require a greater investment of time that their
previous work, and I can see it hitting a person as obnoxious, FOR A
WHILE...but...why?? Why do you hate this album and dis it so?? :P

> GIVE IT UP GUYS, it is too late to go
> gracefully, so at least go before we die laughing,,,euthelene, who's
> really ticked off that these groups think that these releases were
> worth killing all those defenseless little polymor babies.

Let's just say this is also a response to Andrew. Being a goth or not
doesn't have to have much to do with anything. The Cure were only ever
dark and sad and so forth about half the time. I think it's safe to say
most serious Cure fans can as easily appreciate Hey You as Prayers for
Rain. Many of us are big fans of Wish and The Head on the Door. The
problem with this new record is they aren't a pop band anymore; they're a
rock band. They play rock melodies and rock rhythms and they sound not
unlike Def Leppard. Everything is wrong and screwy and awkward. Only
after for the first time paying close attention to "Bare" did it dawn on
me that the album is even more horrible than I first said. Here is a song
that is as plodding and lifeless as anything you'd care to name, and its
chorus encapsulates all the thoughtless creative non-decisionmaking that
seems to have moulded the album.

In defense of the band and of Bob, Bob hasn't himself been The Cure for a
really long time. Just as everyone involved deserves credit for most of
what came post-HotD, you can't expect artist that is half-dead to keep
going at full speed. It's forgiveable that Robert Smith is no longer a
creative dynamo and it's understandable that he might put together a
lousy band now and then. Gallup is clearly burned out and I'm not
convinced O'Donnell was any more responsible for Disintegration than
Bamonte was for Wish. The problem is that Bad Mood Swings is not without
its good elements--just that they all are completely ruined. What really
bugs me is that in four years they never managed to come up with anything
near as good as It Used to Be Me, though the configuration seems to have
been the same.



        kill the varmints,

                           e


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