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Subject: Re: what quique means
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:16:02 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Lush in Chicago...:-\
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 23:48:07 -0500
From: "Me :)" (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Re: FAQers!
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:35:52 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: The soup is ON / seeing Bill
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:59:17 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP what the _________?!
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:44:51 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Olympic Death Squad/Ida
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 03:17:34 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush in Chicago...:-\
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:20:20 -0500
From: maestro (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: Modern English/Colourbox
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 03:58:43 EDT
From: seann harding (103476.1771@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: RHP Kill Yr Idols
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 06:32:13 -0400
From: Omar McGrapefruit (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Adventure Club Sessions CD -Reply
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 07:08:00 -0400
From: "WILLIAM D. BARRY" (BARRYWD@GWSMTP.NU.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD Ann Arbor Venue??
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 07:14:09 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: STP Tape WANTED!
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 08:54:56 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: Bad Mood Swings
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:09:34 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: JENSING THE HUITE
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 09:07:15 EDT
From: seann harding (103476.1771@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: was Auction, now pink opaque
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:12:35 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: ACHTUNG! ONLY SEMI TOPICAL--Bad Mood Swings
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 09:58:16 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: JENSING THE HUITE
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 15:38:17 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: TMC for sale/trade
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:17:59 -0400
From: "Rufus T. Firefly" (mwelker@BGNET.BGSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Modern English/Colourbox
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:04:51 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: ACHTUNG! ONLY SEMI TOPICAL--Bad Mood Swings
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:07:37 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: ACHTUNG! ONLY SEMI TOPICAL--Bad Mood Swings
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:24:22 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: JENSING THE HUITE
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:18:26 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Listy Love and Kangaroo too(was Re: FAQers!)
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:12:06 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: JENSING THE HUITE
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:18:39 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Lilliput Sale
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:27:29 -0700
From: Patrick Oltraver (seraphim@CTS.COM)
Subject: Re: ACHTUNG! ONLY SEMI TOPICAL--Bad Mood Swings
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:20:18 -0400
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Modern English coming to LA
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:00:53 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Elvia Sleeps; stereolab
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:22:13 -0500
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: FAQers!
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:15:50 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: JENSING THE HUITE
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:44:44 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD Ann Arbor Venue??
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:07:15 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Colourbox
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:41:22 +0000
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Clearing the archives
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:32:13 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Is nothing sacred!?!?!?!
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:48:48 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: JENSING THE HUITE
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:07:12 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Clearing the archives
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:09:43 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: JENSING THE HUITE
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:12:23 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Is nothing sacred!?!?!?!
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 19:06:33 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: Is nothing sacred!?!?!?!
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:01:04 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: envy, the official drug of 4ad-l
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:30:19 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)

Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:16:02 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: what quique means


>
>Isn't Quique a name in spanish?
>yeah, it is.  last I remember, it means Henry or something like that.
>Quique is short for Enrique.  I think...
>anyone?
>
>-zelzah.
>

Right on Zelzah! I was going to post it but...

Pepe
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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 23:48:07 -0500
From: "Me :)" (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Lush in Chicago...:-\


Well

   its 1130, and i just came home....the show i guess started much earlier
than the announced time.  I'd say about 630 or so.  I completely missed
Mojave 3, but then again, i didnt go to see them.  It would have been nice
though.  I have to say Scheer was ok, not as awful as i was expecting them
to be....but can she try to singer differently on each song?  I
swore i heard them play the same song twice, but i knowi am wrong there.
Two songs i really liked, too bad i didnt know the names of those.  Hmph.

  Lush came out.  I like the banners.  :)  One point:

   does it seem that the more popular a band gets, the more idiotic the
crowd also tends to be?  There must be a direct co-relation.  Lets see.
Lush played alright...nothing great...actually , ithought the show bit.
They might as well have played the cd's, there was no improv at all...and
thats what i liked about Lush when i did go see them each time they
came....it wasnt straight off the record...but a little different.  They
played about 40 minutes!!!!!!!!!!  What a rip!!!  I looked at my friend and
said, HUH!?!?!?!?  Highlights:   Heavenly Bodies, Undertow, and
maybe Sweetness and Light.  Yes Maybe.  De-luxe did not bring the house down
at all.  For love was good, but that isnt one of my favorites anyhoo.  The
ending was a bit neato.  All the bands came out on stage to sing
Ciao....scheer chick seemed completely out of place...she did a few oohs and
aaaahs, but thats about all, save maybe jiggle about in place.  Not too
exciting to watch.  But instead of Jarvis, i think, the guy from Mojave 3
sang, im not sure about that.  Of course, a southern twang was inserted
instead of the british accent.  Fun to watch.  If not for the damn crowd.
This had to be the stupidest ive ever seen.  I'd rather not go into it, but
for me StP tour was a bust.  :(  I cant wait for the true "gods" to
arrive....Cocteau Twins of course.

  Oh yeah, the tape is nice.  I heard it once in the car..wonder if i'll
hear it again.

  Sorry for the waste of bandwidth....
ernesto
 
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:35:52 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: FAQers!

              Thu, 9 May 1996 13:57:48 -0400

Hi!  ... more milk and kisses here from the FAQ patrol ...

>   Also, there are people, newcomers to the list, that
>   haven't heard of the FAQ or haven't been on the list
>   long enough to realize just how frequently asked the
>   question they're posing is. As well, there are those who
>   have absolutely no web access at all and, thus, cannot
>   get to the FAQ.

I got a FAQ as part of the info when i subscribed to the list.  Does that not
happen anymore?  We should set things up so that everyone has access to the FAQ.
That's how it used to be.  Jens?

>   So is this a flame or a psychoanalysis?

I was just presenting possible reasons since you didn't give any initially.
N.B., i called these rationales "farcical" because i did NOT want to attribute
them to you, sorry if that didn't come across quite right.

>   >>Those farcical rationales are perhaps only half as
>   interesting and well-thought out as the real reason for
>   your deep-seated hatred for FAQsayers.<<
>
>   Again. I really don't hate FAQsayers or anyone (well,
>   that's not exactly true). I do get annoyed with the
>   "holier-than-thou" types who get all bent out of shape
>   for no reason whatsoever. Oh yeah. It's "deep-seeded".

May i suggest that you look your "correction" up in a dictionary before posting
it in public?  It is in fact, "deep-seated."  Not that i'm impervious to being
wrong ya know.  (I'm sure you could have found numerous grammar and spelling
errors but this aint one of them).

>   Or you could have a form letter prepared that you could
>   post. That way, the list and the knowledge seeker would
>   be spared the venom and spite (though you are free to
>   still harbor it...though I wouldn't suggest it as it's
>   not healthy).

I don't really have much venom and spite.  But that form letter sure is a good
idea.  ;)

>   >>smiles, hugs, cute furry animals, daisies, etc.<<
>
>   Back to ya' with more of it!

Are you serious?  How sweet.  :)

love,
cz

Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:59:17 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: The soup is ON / seeing Bill


> So you actually HAVE the new Swirlies CD? I've only seen 'They Spent Their
> Wild Youthful Days In...' CD and that 'Sneaky Flutes' CD-EP in ads. When I
> treid to order them I was told that they were not available. Where can I get
> them?

any borders books and muzik will have the new swirlies because it is a may
listening post title along with the spacemen 3 re-release of perfect
perscription. i ordered ours (i work at borders) through feedback records.
jim
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:44:51 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP what the _________?!


> Anyone heard the ESP FAMILY "Jubilee" 7" EP yet?
>
> Icon Records (Reissue?)
> PO Box 1746
> Royal Oak MI 48068
>
> Okay. So what's happened here? Has Warren decided to become so ornery and
> contentious that he's forgotten what made HNIA work? There were signs of it
> on "Mouth By Mouth", and we all chose to ignore them. Now you could sooner
> stick Metallica with the "ethereal" tag than anything he's worked on (hear

ESP anything is not his name is alive
ESP anything is not his name is alive
ESP anything is not his name is alive

if you have ever noticed, ESP releases say nothing for you to assume that
you are getting a his name is alive recording.

what i always thought made his name is alive (and the good bands on 4AD)
work is that you never know what the hell you are getting.

his name is alive are the best...
the new track on the stp compilation is just great...
esp for me are hit or miss...
esp family for me was definitely a hit.
esp summer for me was a hit.
esp beetles (most of it) was a miss (some of the sun ra-ish stuff wasn't
too bad)
also remember that warren sees his name is alive as the group people
actually listen to and he sees esp anything as fun, side project fun.

jim
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 03:17:34 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Olympic Death Squad/Ida


i really like the new solo record. it does very well sound like the air
miami record, but it has a more unified theme than air miami. if you like
"neely" on the air miami record than check out the "the anti-kidnapping
song."
the cd lists ten songs and includes ten songs
01. this is riot gear
02. maple leaf
03. show your age
04. newfoundland
05. sometimes i can't breathe
06. ski jump
07. wakefield street
08. shortsleeve
09. the anti-kidnapping song
10. yeah, uh-huh

the cd wears it's new wave inluences heavily. some bass-lines are joy
division all the way. i am looking forward to finding the new ida...

> I received a copy of Mark Robinson's solo album, The Olympic Death Sqaud
> 'Blue' (Teenbeat 200) the other week. It's a vinyl version, and while I'm
> still waiting for the CD to arrive, I wonder if anyone can tell me if
> there's an extra (11th) track on the CD? The LP has 10 tracks and lasts 27
> min., while the catalogue says: 11 tracks, 30 min.
>
> Frank
>
> P.S. 'Blue' is a bit disappointing. A few great 'Imperial'-type of songs
> (esp. 'Mapple Leaf' & 'Ski Jump'), a couple of up tempo tracks, that sound
> to me like Air Miami demos, and some New Wave-ish things.
> The new Ida (featuring Dan Littleton, also in Liquorice) CD, 'I Know About
> You', on Simple Machines (SMR 47) is much better. Even better than their
> first album, 'Tales Of Brave Ida', I'd dare to say!
> +++++++++++++++++++
> Frank Brinkhuis
> frankbri@pop.pi.net
> +++++++++++++++++++
>

Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:20:20 -0500
From: maestro (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush in Chicago...:-\


     hiyas,

          i was at the StP concert here in chicago tonight too.  i did get
there extra early though to meet friends around 6 and got in about 6:30.
yeah mojave 3 came on early and they played a really lovely set that my
friends and i all enjoyed a great deal.  it wasn't blow you away awesome or
anything, but like a cup of hot tea on a stormy night (like tonight).  you
kind of anticipate it beforehand, but when you're sitting there enjoying it,
it's a very lovely experience and one that you enjoy a great deal and
cherish.  they played i believe 2 new songs that were really really lovely,
a bit more percussive than their other mojave songs but a little more
optimistic sounding and overall very enjoyable.  rachel had her lovely hair
up but there were two wispy locks on both sides that were fluttering softly
in the breeze as she sang, like something out of a renaissance painting.
boticelli's birth of venus?  (ok so the breeze was just wind from the dusty
fans and i was a little drunk).
     ok scheer went up next.  now id never heard any of their material
before and i was kind of half/half on what i was expecting.  it turned out
my expectation was right on the money.  didn't really do anything for me.
     lush came up next and miki was wearing a bright green sequin dress and
with her pungent red hair she looked like a big christmas ornament.  cool.
the person mentioned that their performance was really nothing spectacular
and really un improvised and i'd pretty much agree with that.  it was
definately enjoyable though, i think they only played 2 songs off of
_Lovelife_ in their set so i was a little suprised by that.  i was as always
amused by the ultra stoic face of emma.  really matches up with the kind of
bright simple and moderately paced guitar solos she does on many of the
songs (which i love).  not rock out, not really half-assed, just sort of
there but in a good way.  at one point someone yelled to her "smile emma i
love you" and she replied "fuck off" and accompanied it with a flip of her
finger, middle.  awesome.  their encore consisted of three songs off of
lovelife, um.. last night, ladykillers and of course ciao! with the awesome
"4ad superband" as miki put it.  i really truly enjoyed that and it was fun
to see everyone having a good time (even emma was smiling).  it was ian from
mojave (cowboy hat gives it away) who did the duet with miki.  neil also was
having fun with some shakers.  really an excellent end to a pretty enjoyable
show.
     lastly someone mentioned that the crowd was really horrible and i don't
know what show that person was at but it wasn't the one i saw.  the crowd
was really well behaved, not bored because i saw a lot of people enjoying
themselves but just polite and not jumping on top of one another and kicking
people in the head.  of course there were the various hootings of love from
various drunk guys and it was a little crowded but i have to say that for an
all ages show of a pretty well known and popular band it was quite well
behaved and pleasant.
     as for StP cassettes, there were millions of them, they were handing
out 3 at a time, i ended up with about 9 of them so everyone should have no
problem getting one.  (yes i made sure everyone around me had one before i
split!) [pun]

sung
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 03:58:43 EDT
From: seann harding (103476.1771@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Modern English/Colourbox


Halfway through their North American tour, Modern English touched
down in Toronto on May 9th.

They signed to the latest incarnation of the imago label and released
album number six "Everything's Mad" two or so months back.  The only
original member remaining from the 4AD days is vocalist Robbie Grey
with the current touring band featuring five new members, most of which
are friends of Robbie's.

If you've heard the new album then you know it's far from the style and
standards that were evident on the 4AD and Beggars Banquet albums.
However, with repeated listenings, it does grow on you.  Songs like "I
Don't Know Anything" have the same feel as "Hands Across The Sea"
or "I Melt With You".  Technically, the new album sounds rich and lush;
production from lead guitarist Ted Mason shines on the album's ten
tracks.  Keyboardist Matthew Shipley rounds out the core of the group.

At the concert itself, which was held at a venue way too large, the crowd
was mainly confined to the sides of the room with twenty or so of the
more adventurous fans getting out and dancing.  There was a mix of
newer and obviously "Melt With You"-era fans; a very diverse mix, indeed!

They started the show off with a kick-ass version of "Sixteen Days",
followed by a song from the new album "That's Right", which pretty
much gave way to a "best of" set from the 4AD period.  "After The Snow",
"Gathering Dust", "Hands Across The Sea", "Ricochet Days" and of
course, "I Melt With You" were among the the highlights.  Only three
songs from the new album were played and none from "Stop Start"
or "Pillow Lips".

After the relatively short set I caught up with Robbie and some of the
other members to get the obligatory CD booklet autographs.  I was
able to ask some of the types of questions you'd expect from the anally
retentive 4AD guy that I am.  It's late as I write this but here's what I'm
able to recount from my meeting with Robbie and company...

I asked Robbie how they hooked up with 4AD and he said it was due
in part to Ivo's liking of the Wire-ish style and the live shows.  Shortly
after "Swans On Glass" came out the band was signed to 4AD long-
term and was asked to contribute a track to the label compilation
"Presage(s)" (BAD11), a song called "Home", which later was reissued
on as part of the "Mesh And Lace" CD.

Of his This Mortal Coil collaboration, he remembers being in the studio
with Simon Raymonde to record the Colin Newman cover "Not Me" as
a good experience.  He describes the track as the only song where
"something happens", which is sort of accurate since "Not Me" sticks
out as the sole rocking-out song on the "It'll End In Tears" album.

I asked about the departure from 4AD in 1984 and Robbie likens it to
the way Cocteau Twins felt when they left the label.  There wasn't any
sour feelings in the spilt; it was just deemed to be time to leave and
explore other labels and expand.  A single "Breaking Away" was
planned for spring 1984 but scrapped in light of the departure.  Robbie
even admitted that in hindsight, leaving 4AD at the time probably
wasn't the best thing to do.

After 4AD, Modern English signed to Beggars Banquet in the UK and to
Sire in the US, who they had aleady been distributed by for the last two
4AD albums.  Sire exerted a great deal of control over the group and the
overall lack of promotion given to the first official Sire album "Stop Start"
led to a bad feeling all around while on a US tour.  The "Ink And Paper"
single did OK but apparently, not good enough and the group was given
the Sire pink slip.  Go ahead, just ask Robbie's opinion of Sire!

After essentially breaking up, it wan't until Robbie got a call from New
York based TVT Records in 1990 that Modern English came back to
life.  Robbie recruited former bandmate Michael Conroy and friend Aaron
Davidson to become the new model Modern English.  The deal was,
TVT would pony up the bucks for a new album only if they re-recorded
"I Melt With You", which they did, in almost the exact version as the 1982
original, for the "Pillow Lips" album.

Well, Robbie has some nice things to say about TVT as well.  Another
gap of six years goes by and a deal is struck with the imago label.
Robbie then recruited three friend's to join him in the new version of
Modern English, with three others for the touring band.

With virtually no advance fanfare, imago releases "Everything's Mad".
Robbie made mention during the concert "This is our new single "I
Don't Know Anything" from the new album."  Truth is, there wont be a
single, other than a radio promo.  It's little wonder Robbie has dubbed
imago "the indie Sire".  He should've talked with Amiee Mann or Henry
Rollins before getting involved with imago!!

And now the Colourbox connection...  I was in the midst of getting
introduced to the various band members when I met Ian.  It didn't dawn
on me initially that it was in fact Ian Robbins, co-founder of Colourbox!!
Colourbox are a fave 4AD group to me and even though there will never
be another record from them, I dream of how it would sound.

Had I known Ian would be here, I'd have brought all my Colourbox stuff
to get signed.  It turns out he probably wouldn't have signed it anyways
as he's not entirely comfortable with the musician-fan relationship.
I think he was a bit cheesed at all the attention I was throwing on
Robbie, saying "all it does is enlarge their egos when you do that."

The attention was all on Ian now as I down-loaded every Colourbox
question from my memory onto him.  He's a very modest guy, that's for
sure!!  I complimented him on "Breakdown" and the work he'd done on
the next several Colourbox releases.  He casually dismissed the
group as a whole saying "do it yourself; start your own band, anyone
can do it."

Michael Conroy, bass player in the 4AD days for Modern English, has a
brother in the biz, Roy Conroy who managed Colourbox and Ian is still
roommates with Colourbox-er Steven Young!  It's a 4AD family thing!

Ian was quick to downplay the comments I made about the 1985
self-titled Colourbox album.  I was telling him I thought it was one of
4AD's more memorable albums that I love still today.  He replied how
it was just a bunch of different styles "manufactured to be this pop
album".  I told him that it was the diversity of styles that made it such a
great album.  As much as he dismisses Colourbox, they still remain one
of my favorite 4AD bands.

What is your take on the whole "Pump Up The Volume" madness?  Ian
seems confident that the single shoud have been credited to Colourbox,
citing how C.J. and Dave went on to greater successes due to the
popularity of the single.  He remembers it being a very dark period for
Colourbox, 4AD and AR Kane, with all the relationship-sapping legal
difficulties surrounding the out-of-the-blue worldwide hit single.

So, where is Debian Curry now?  Ian replies that he, Martyn and Steven
had to boot her out because she could only sing one song, which was
"Breakdown".  Guessing my next question, Ian says "...and Loritta
Grahame did some work with Bomb The Bass and others and then
probably ended up singing in some cabaret act."  Really, now?

I don't think he's too bitter.  Rather, I think he's very, very modest and
not ready for the adulation of the appreciative fan.  I'm not sure how
relevant talking about Modern English or Colourbox is in 4ad-l but hey,
they used to be the foundation of 4AD and if it means getting a chance
to have some autographs signed, I'm all for it!

After all, when Red Atkins launches his comeback, I'll be first in line at
the concert venue to hear him do his "Hunk Of A Punk" duet with
Warren Defevers...

Jeff
in the meantime via jscottc@interlog.com


Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 06:32:13 -0400
From: Omar McGrapefruit (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: RHP Kill Yr Idols


>Another example is the Catherine Wheel's version of
>the Spirit of Radio by Rush. I hate rush but I find the interpretation
>by Catherine Wheel to be kinda cool.

You should Saint Etienne's "Conchita Martinez" in that case, if you haven't
already.

>Anne Murray interpreted by Kim Deal, where do
>I get my copy!!!!

With Kim's 20-a-day voice, something like "Snowbird" is way too perky for
her...maybe Tanya Donelly?


Larry

Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 07:08:00 -0400
From: "WILLIAM D. BARRY" (BARRYWD@GWSMTP.NU.COM)
Subject: Adventure Club Sessions CD -Reply


is the Catherine Wheel song a Husker Du cover?
sign me up....

bill barry

Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 07:14:09 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD Ann Arbor Venue??


On Thu, 9 May 1996, Rufus T. Firefly wrote:

> Does anyone here have any leads as to what specific venue DCD will be
> playing at on their July 22nd tour date in Ann Arbor, Michigan??


        The Michigan Theater, which is on Liberty between State and Maynard.
        The minute i figger out when tix go on sale, i will most certainly
        post to the list.  I emplore fellow listies to do the same, as
        last time DCD toured the tickets were sold out _before_ warner bros
        posted the show dates!!

        white-knuckled till then
        dna


Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 08:54:56 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: STP Tape WANTED!


Anyone have any extra STP tour cassettes to send to me
or sell to me? If anyone is going to the STP show before
the end in LA maybe they could grab a few more and
send me a free one. Seems Polygram CANADA (4AD's distributor
in Canada) couldn't get their act together in getting these
cassettes to hand out at the Toronto concert (at Canadian concerts
you get nothing).

So I am looking for one of those STP tapes or a copy
of one if anyone can help me. Email me back privately.

Thanks,
Steve

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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:09:34 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Bad Mood Swings


On Thu, 9 May 1996 13:18:52 -0700 Rick Stone 
>After the demise/downfall of such greats as . . .
>Siouxsie...

Hmmmm.  I quite liked most of  their final album "The Rapture" (aside from
the truly execrable "Oh Baby").  But Siouxsie & the Banshees have always
had a rollercoaster of a career, quality wise (hands up anyone who, with
their hand on their heart, honestly can swear that they think "Join Hands"
is brilliant).  But it seems to me that perhaps they kicked it in the head at
JUST the right time...

>Morrissey...

...became a laughable self-parody as soon as the Smiths split up (IMHO).
Perhaps it was his duet with Siouxsie that signed her death warrant...

>Matt Johnson...

Oh yeah, I agree!  What the smeg was "Hanky Panky" all about?  Sheesh...

>...Bound to happen sometime...

Perhaps...

>No one has that sort of staying power.  Look at the Rolling Stones...

I'd rather not, I'm eating at the moment :-)

bfn



Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 09:07:15 EDT
From: seann harding (103476.1771@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: JENSING THE HUITE


When people like Huite Rietveld post little messages like "Oh, and I
was just sent an advance CD of the new Brendan Perry album" or
"Just got the new His Name Is Alive glow-in-the-dark limited 7" for
"Universal Frequencies" it, like Kevin Kline says in French Kiss, makes
my ass twitch!!  Firstly, who sends you all these promos?  Secondly,
if you're gonna brag you got it, at least review the damn thing as well!
As for Jens, I believe you monitor all incoming posts just in case
there's an opportunity to say "Check the FAQ".  Sure, it may be in the
freakin FAQ but why not just tell the poster the answer anyways!!  That
way, people wont be so intimidated about posting something on this
list and may come back a second time.  Do you realise this lists gets
mocked ON OTHER LISTS?  They say we argue about trivial stuff more
than discuss the so-called mandate for this list, which is true!  How
'bout a song-by-song review of "Spiritchaser", Huite, because like some
other mortals, I have to wait until June to hear it!!  Jens, your FAQ is
very nice and helpful but PLEASE, you don't need to be a REF of the
list, you know!!  The whole list would crumble if you didn't log on for a
whole day, huh?  Huite, PLEASE, go easy on announcing up-to-the-
minute promo arrivals in your mail box.  JEFF via jscottc@interlog.com


Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:12:35 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: was Auction, now pink opaque


>
> The prices are roughly 3 UKP per 12", and 5 per album. The Pink Opaque is
> 18 UKP and Treasure is 10 UKP.
>

is the pink opaque out of print?  a store where i work part time has two
copies.  one is around $16 while the other is around $18.  if anyone wants
one, email me and i'll grab one for you.  with shipping it should be around
only $20.

alan@msai.mea.com


Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 09:58:16 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: ACHTUNG! ONLY SEMI TOPICAL--Bad Mood Swings


On Fri, 10 May 1996, Chris Limb wrote some stuff in response to R. Stone:

> >Morrissey...
>
> ...became a laughable self-parody as soon as the Smiths split up (IMHO).
> Perhaps it was his duet with Siouxsie that signed her death warrant...
>
> >Matt Johnson...
>
> Oh yeah, I agree!  What the smeg was "Hanky Panky" all about?  Sheesh...
>
> >...Bound to happen sometime...
>
> Perhaps...
>
> >No one has that sort of staying power.  Look at the Rolling Stones...


        *but only the meanest and nastiest of former The The/Smiths
         fans would deny the possibility of a return to splendidness
         from matt or mozzer. or the cure, for that matter.

         eye for one cant help but hope for more brilliance from the
         likes of matt johnson, morrissey, and his royal stinkiness
         (big bald b(l)ob).  is genius something you _are_, or
         a coincidence in space and time? havent the cocteau twins
         just recently proved that _somebody_ can have that kind of
         staying power?

         disintegration, mind bomb, and viva hate
         still get preferred placement in the disc changer. and
         would you all be surprised if i were to reveal that i've
         seen morrissey 4 times and that my record collection includes
         every smiths and morrissey title on every format???
         and that his latest single, entitled 'sunny', is the best thing
         he's EVER done??


         off topic and lovin it

         dna

Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 15:38:17 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: JENSING THE HUITE

              harding" at May 10, 96 09:07:15 am

 seann harding <103476.1771@COMPUSERVE.COM> wrote on Fri, 10 May 1996
 (Subject: JENSING THE HUITE)
 > As for Jens, I believe you monitor all incoming posts just in case
 > there's an opportunity to say "Check the FAQ".  Sure, it may be in
 > the freakin FAQ but why not just tell the poster the answer
 > anyways!! That way, people wont be so intimidated about posting
 > something on this list and may come back a second time.

Simple netiquette (I *hate* that word but it has to be used sometimes)
is to *read* the FAQ when you subscribe to any mailing list so that you
don't ask questions which have been answered a million times before.
The "Blue Flower" question has been done to death several times in the
last year alone.

 > Do you realise this lists gets mocked ON OTHER LISTS?

Cool!  Nobody likes us, we don't care...

 > They say we argue about trivial stuff more than discuss the
 > so-called mandate for this list, which is true!

I don't believe there's much argument over trivialities, but then I
also subscribe to the Fall list (try that if you want to discover the
*real* meaning of the words "irrelevant rubbish" - anyone interested in
a Balti and Deltics debate?).  One of the things I like about this list
is that the signal-to-noise ratio is fairly high - just look at the
Cocteaus list for a horrible example of how things go wrong when a list
tries to stay rigorously on topic.  It's like watching a dog chase its
own tail.  I'll carry on autodeleting messages whose subjects mention
the impeccably thislisty HNIA and Wolfgang Press, and reading e's
ramblings about Warp and the Cure with interest, thank you.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 10/05/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Stereolab - Refried Ectoplasm


Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:17:59 -0400
From: "Rufus T. Firefly" (mwelker@BGNET.BGSU.EDU)
Subject: TMC for sale/trade


Have no idea of rarity, "value" etc, but I've happened upon a "This Mortal
wants to make an offer in cash, trade or other bobbles, please e-mail me
privately.

Track Listing:

1- TIM BUCKLEY: "Song to the Siren"
2- RAIN PARADE: "Carolyn's Song"
3- BIG STAR: "Kangaroo"
4- ROY HARPER: "Another Day"
5- CHRIS BELL: "You and Your Sister"

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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:04:51 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Modern English/Colourbox


Thanks Jeff!  What a great story!

I guess the rumors of Colourbox's new album are exactly that.  :(

Colourbox has always been my favorite 4AD group.  They were the first group I
ever heard (I'm not counting modern english) off 4AD (Arena!  What a great song)
It's kind of sad to actually hear what the people say about the band; coming
from the inside like that.  Loritta Grahme.  *sigh*.  Somebody really oughta go
find her and get her to sing some songs.  How about "Loritta covers the music
of Hyperium" or something.  I can't believe she's ended up in a nightclub
somewhere.   I thought that honor was reserved for Mimi Goese. ;-D

Oh well, I guess I'll quit holding my breath for the new Colourbox release. :(

marvynHortman      Director FAQ --> ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us

Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:07:37 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: ACHTUNG! ONLY SEMI TOPICAL--Bad Mood Swings

u> from "daniel klyn" at May 10,
              96 09:58:16 am

 daniel klyn  wrote on Fri, 10 May 1996
 (Subject: Re: ACHTUNG! ONLY SEMI TOPICAL--Bad Mood Swings)
 >
 > *but only the meanest and nastiest of former The The/Smiths fans
 > would deny the possibility of a return to splendidness from matt or
 > mozzer.  or the cure, for that matter.

Moz did it - "Vauxhall and I" is almost up to the standard of the
Smiths, but he then dived headfirst down a deep abyss.  The last album
has nothing to recommend it at all.  There's a bloody DRUM SOLO on it,
for heaven's sake!

 > eye for one cant help but hope for more brilliance from the likes
 > of matt johnson, morrissey, and his royal stinkiness (big bald
 > b(l)ob).  is genius something you _are_, or a coincidence in space
 > and time? havent the cocteau twins just recently proved that
 > _somebody_ can have that kind of staying power?

The Cocteaus, I'd say, wobbled rather than becoming *bad* - I think
everyone's allowed one dodgy album, and even a dodgy Cocteaus album is
worth something.  I'm still looking forward to hearing the new Cure
album, e is often wrong in his assessments.  I'm just waiting for Bob
Dylan's comeback...

 > collection includes every smiths and morrissey title on every
 > format??? and that his latest single, entitled 'sunny', is the best
 > thing he's EVER done??

That's an outtake from just after "V&I" which his former record company
released as a contractual fulfillment type of thing.  It's not bad but
it's nowhere near his best work.

 > off topic and lovin it

How DARE YOU!

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 10/05/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Stereolab - Refried Ectoplasm

Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:24:22 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: ACHTUNG! ONLY SEMI TOPICAL--Bad Mood Swings


On Fri, 10 May 1996 09:58:16 -0400 daniel klyn 

>        *but only the meanest and nastiest of former The The/Smiths
>         fans would deny the possibility of a return to splendidness
>         from matt or mozzer...

Heavens! I wouldn't DENY the possibility.  It would be bloody
WONDERFUL!!!  And in the case of The The, I'm (semi) hopeful, after all, I
loved "Dusk".

But Morrissey?  I'm more doubtful...  His recent material (Dagenham Dave
etc) has prompted the comment from various people on more than one
 "The band's not bad, but they should get rid of the singer"
Make no mistake, circa 1986 if asked I would have stated emphatically that
my favourite bands were The The and The Smiths.  After all it was in that
year that both "The Queen is Dead" and "Infected" appeared, disks which,
to quote "still get preferred placement in the disc changer"

Round about '87 I used to say that sadly, Johnny Marr had destroyed both
bands (for me anyway) by leaving one and joining the other... Although,
"Dusk" (and to a lesser extent "Mind Bomb") proved me wrong on that one.

>         eye for one cant help but hope for more brilliance from the
>         likes of matt johnson, morrissey...

Hear hear

>         is genius something you _are_, or
>         a coincidence in space and time? havent the cocteau twins
>         just recently proved that _somebody_ can have that kind of
>         staying power?

Aye!  And what I said about Siouxsie in my previous post agrees with this
point.  And despite what a lot of people on this list SEEM to think, *I* firmly
believe that the mighty Lush have phenomenal staying power too...

>         would you all be surprised if i were to reveal that i've
>         seen morrissey 4 times and that my record collection includes
>         every smiths and morrissey title on every format???

Er... no. But I've seen the Smiths once and Morrissey once, and I know
which gig *I* preferred.  But then again - that might just be because I was
younger and more impressionable back then...  Perhaps the change is not
in the bands but in the listener, growing older, more cynical and ultimately
"Jealous of Youth"


Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:18:26 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: JENSING THE HUITE


On Fri, 10 May 1996 09:07:15 EDT, seann harding
<103476.1771@COMPUSERVE.COM> wrote:

>As for Jens, I believe you monitor all incoming posts just in case
>there's an opportunity to say "Check the FAQ".  Sure, it may be in the
>freakin FAQ but why not just tell the poster the answer anyways!!

Give a man an answer, and he'll be asking again tommorow. Teach a man
to FAQ, and the teat of wisdom is his.

Paul,
who advises Jens the question "Why did you direct me to the FAQ
instead of just answering my question?" is a faq.


Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:12:06 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Listy Love and Kangaroo too(was Re: FAQers!)


Hellooo!

>>I got a FAQ as part of the info when i subscribed to the list.  Does that
not happen anymore?<<

Actually, you know I believe you are right. So I guess it just comes down to
those with web access.

>>May i suggest that you look your "correction" up in a dictionary before
posting it in public?  It is in fact, "deep-seated."<<

Yes. I am an idiot. You know what happens when you assume? It makes an ASS
out of U and ME (in this case, just me)!

>>Are you serious?  How sweet.  :)

love,
cz<<

Yes. I was very serious!

Kumbaya my lord, Kumbaya.

=o)

Spread a little listy love today!

Did anyone else know that the versions of "Kangaroo" and "It'll End In Tears"
on the "Kangaroo" 7" are different to the album? Yes, it's probably in the
FAQ, but I was surprised.

Roy

P.S. The "deep-seeded" thing was an inside joke. Really!

Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:18:39 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: JENSING THE HUITE


On Fri, 10 May 1996, seann harding wrote:

> When people like Huite Rietveld post little messages like "Oh, and I
> was just sent an advance CD of the new Brendan Perry album" or
> "Just got the new His Name Is Alive glow-in-the-dark limited 7" for
> "Universal Frequencies" it, like Kevin Kline says in French Kiss, makes
> my ass twitch!!  Firstly, who sends you all these promos?  Secondly,
> if you're gonna brag you got it, at least review the damn thing as well!
> As for Jens, I believe you monitor all incoming posts just in case
> there's an opportunity to say "Check the FAQ".


        *come now, seann;  i do agree that jens' constant FAQing is a
         bit precocious, but Huite Rietveld's contributions to the list
         are _always_ informative, and i detect none of the 'i've got
         connections so naynaah-naynaah' sort of posturing that
         occasionally plagues this list.

         The DCD tracklisting
         is of genuine interest to me, and whenever i mail H.R. personally
         with questions, i always get sincere attempts at answers.

         The nature of this 4AD beastie is such that there's gonna be
         waay more promos than your average alternative label.  4ad knows
         this and exploits it: contributes to the mystique of the label.
         250 bucks for a fuckin book? whatever, maaan, 4ad caters to
         the art-fag in all of us, and dont we all feel just a little
         superior in our 4ad-dom?? fan exploitation becomes art collecting
         in 4ad-land.

         and this is why im always kindof reticent before attending 4ad related
         events, because the fact of the matter is that there are some really,
         really obnoxious people who buy into the artsiness of 4ad
         as a sort of status symbol. so that they can smoke djarums
         outside of the venue and conversate loudly about their lilliput,
         or their 'rimy limited, or their glow in the dark hnia decoder ring.
         (of course i mean no disrespect toward warren, cause, like, i know
          him and he gives me all this cool shit...)

         whatever. i am guilty too. i dig this list because i hate
         missing out on tickets for dcd, and cuz i can make tape trades,
         and cuz its really alot of fun to discuss this music i like so
         much with people just as if not waay more nuts about it as i am.


         so i've decided to endure incessant FAQing, and precociousness,
         and name-dropping, and syncophancy.  the payoff is usually worth
         it.   so can we keep the personal attacks private?  lets not
         ever make anyone feel as if theyre not cool enough, or hip enough,
         or faq enough to be here and talk about anything they want.
         when someone gets a bit off topic, notify them personally.

         come on people-now...smile on yer brother....

         dna

Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:27:29 -0700
From: Patrick Oltraver (seraphim@CTS.COM)
Subject: Lilliput Sale


I want to offer up my copy of Lilliput for sale.  I don't want to do the
crazy back and forth bidding thing, so all interested parties please send
me an offer and on Monday at 12:00 (California Time), I will notify the
winner.


Thanks

Patrick

Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:20:18 -0400
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: ACHTUNG! ONLY SEMI TOPICAL--Bad Mood Swings

u>

For those greiving over MJ/The The's Hanky Panky, I recommend you give it
another try.

Yes, when I first listen to it I was going "I can't believe its a WHOLE
ALBUM OF HANK WILLIAM COVERS!" but the album has a deep soul which rises
higher each time I listen to it.  It's quite an amazing album, and if you
compare it to the pop of the 80's, it really a mature piece of work.

alex

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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:00:53 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Modern English coming to LA


I thought Jeff's post about Modern English was
one of the best, most informative things I've
read here in a long time. In fact, after reading
it I went out and bought tickets to see them
here in LA on the 29th. Here are the details:
House Of Blues
May 29
doors 8pm / 21 & over
show at 9pm
$17.50 general admission
Opening band: Laika & the Cosmonauts
(too bad it's not Laika!)

For you Orange county people, they're also playing
at the Coach House in San Juan Cap.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:22:13 -0500
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Elvia Sleeps; stereolab


Derf wrote:

>Hardly. I had a lot of support on this issue.  And that is the reason why I
>kept quite.  When you one is correct, the sound of silence ringings
>resolute. You seem to forget that it is I, Fred, not Elvia. Elvia made you
>look like fool on this list, so what are you talking about.  What really is
>sad is that a lot of people on the ambient list are afraid of being kicked
>off if they speak out against FAX.  I am seriously contemplating boycotting
>their product.  I don't know. I have to think about it seriously.
>
this entire thing was addressed to e personally.  was there any reason you
didn't just send it to him via private mail?

btw, i caught the stereolab show last night.  very nice.  i interviewed
mary after the show (she was so cool!) and she pronounced it "la-tissa"
(with schwas where the a's are -- don't know how to type those).

BiZ


Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:15:50 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: FAQers!


cz wrote:
>I got a FAQ as part of the info when i subscribed to the list.  Does that not
>happen anymore?  We should set things up so that everyone has access to
>the FAQ.
>That's how it used to be.  Jens?

It used to happen that way back when we were at JHU. Ever since the
changeover to american.edu it doesn't happen. I'm sure it _could_ be
done, but it would take a list admin, i.e. the missing-in-action Jim
Jones, to do it. I have absolutely no access to the listserver. Can't
anybody figure out how to get through to Jim?

Realizing that people don't automatically get the FAQ, I try to send out
the URL pretty often.

In any case, in the last several instances I've seen of people asking
things that are covered in the FAQ, the people asking had been on the
list for months.


Jeff, or jscottc, or seann harding, or 103476.1771@compuserve.com or
whatever his damn name is wrote:
>Jens, I believe you monitor all incoming posts just in case
>there's an opportunity to say "Check the FAQ".  Sure, it may be in the
>freakin FAQ but why not just tell the poster the answer anyways!!

(1) I monitor posts to see if there are things that can be _added to_ the
FAQ. Oh yeah, and also for entertainment and educational value. And to
answer people's questions, which can sometimes be done most quickly (I'm
at work, ya know) by telling them where to find a lengthy discussion of
the answer, of which I may not remember all the details.
(2) "Give a man a fish and he will have food for a day. Teach a man to
fish and he'll have food for the rest of his life."
(3) I don't monitor _all_ posts. My mail program filters out mail from
certain people who have proved themselves conclusively to be idiots. That
includes you now (if I can figure out all the addresses you post from).
Bye.


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                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:44:44 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: JENSING THE HUITE


dan'l klyn wrote:
>        *come now, seann;  i do agree that jens' constant FAQing is a
>         bit precocious

At 31 years of age, I don't think many things I do can be called
"precocious". Look it up.

Would someone care to point out any instance other than the recent &
regrettable one where I have been less than polite in pointing out the
existence & location of the FAQ? But if there is indeed a shared feeling
among the list that I am using my status as FAQ editor to get all high &
mighty with people, I'll be glad to hand over the responsibility to
someone else who feels they can do a better job. All it takes is the
ability to publish Web pages, a bit of dedication to noticing discussion
on the list that could be pasted into the FAQ, and an acceptance that
some people will send you all kinds of weird questions about 4AD via
private email because they assume you're a universal expert.
Or maybe someone else could volunteer to notice questions mentioned in
the FAQ, and then go to the FAQ and paste the answers to those questions
into email to send back to the list. I'd write a Perl script to do this
automatically but I'm kind of busy.
Or if people think that endless discussion of the same questions is
really more fun to read than occasional mentions that the FAQ exists or
citations thereof, heck, we could just get rid of the FAQ entirely. I'm
in an agreeable mood today.

__________          ___________________          ________________________
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Want to be * Got to be * Witty * Don't want to * Be inert * Inert * WITTY
                                            _____________________________
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:07:15 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: DCD Ann Arbor Venue??


>Does anyone here have any leads as to what specific venue DCD will be
>playing at on their July 22nd tour date in Ann Arbor, Michigan??
>
>I'd be muchly grateful :>
>

Michigan Theatre that is.

Cheers,

Huite


Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:41:22 +0000
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Colourbox


seann harding wrote:

> So, where is Debian Curry now?

The singer on the original "Breakdown"? So, that's who it was!

Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:32:13 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Clearing the archives


I've got some stuff to get rid of. They're all cd. They're all in excellent
condition. Here they are:

Lush - Nothing Natural ep. (b/w gods gift/monochrome/nothing
        natural(alt.version)

Bardo Pond - Amanita (new full length release on Matador by droney artsters)

Scheer - Shea ep (b/w my world/demon(acoustic)/nemisis(demo) - cool worms

Jessamine - Jessamine (full length album on kranky)

Telstar Ponies - Her Name ep (b/w ballad of liberty
        volcano/lugengeschichte(pylon king mix)/her name(pylon king mix)

Polyphemus - masses of tiny dots ep. (b/w fire breathing annabella/ billy
        zenith's private world)

4AD sampler - facing the wrong way

Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:48:48 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Is nothing sacred!?!?!?!


    I just saw a microsoft commercial with The Chemical Brothers "Life
is Sweet" in the backround. Is nothing sacred!?!?!?!? If anyone uses
Girls vs Boys or Soap Joh Henshi I'm gonna kill someone! I SWEAR TO GOD
THIS ABUSE OF POST-MODERN-ALTERNATIVE-NEW-WAVE-OF-NEW-WAVE-SYNTH-PUNK-
POWER-POP-ROCK-CORE HAS GOT TO STOP NOW! Please bands, stop selling
out!
(Message paid for by the people for stopping the abuse of
Post-Modern-Alternative-NewWave-of-NewWave-Synth-Punk-Power-Pop-Rock-
Core now!)

    Is it just me or has the media gone a little overboard with
labeling things?


  A generation nexter with some complexes that need to be delt with,

                                                    Brian

Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:07:12 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: JENSING THE HUITE


>When people like Huite Rietveld post little messages like "Oh, and I
>was just sent an advance CD of the new Brendan Perry album" or
>"Just got the new His Name Is Alive glow-in-the-dark limited 7" for
>"Universal Frequencies" it, like Kevin Kline says in French Kiss, makes
>my ass twitch!!  Firstly, who sends you all these promos?

Maybe my background should be in the faq ;^)
I'm working for the distributor of 4AD in the Netherlands, a firm called
Play It Again Sam (it's a record company too).
So no wonder I can lay my hands on all 4AD(UK)-promo's.
Naa-naaah is not in the question, 'cause I am am such an advanced position,
there's no fun at all doing this nanah-thing.

>Secondly,
>if you're gonna brag you got it, at least review the damn thing as well!

DCD-case there was a cassette for internal use (uncatalogued), and last
week a promo-cd in white paper sheet was released (CAD 6008 CD P).
I told some about the album: it's more rhythmic/percussive than earlier ones,
and I gave the complete tracklisting. Above that I have given my opinion on
the album, which (I have to consider this) might NOT interest you.
my native tongue, to give detailed analyses of each track.

>How
>'bout a song-by-song review of "Spiritchaser", Huite, because like some
>other mortals, I have to wait until June to hear it!!

If you, mortal, got your song-by-song review you probably still have to wait
until June to hear it, so that will not really help, would it?
You better send me your address in an email, and I'll send you the fucking
promo too.

Cheers

Huite

Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:09:43 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Clearing the archives


>> Lush - Nothing Natural ep. (b/w gods gift/monochrome/nothing
>         natural(alt.version)
>
How much for this?  Is it domestic or import?

moran@hal-pc.org


Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:12:23 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: JENSING THE HUITE


Jens Alfke  writes:

> But if there is indeed a shared feeling among the list that I am
> using my status as FAQ editor to get all high & mighty with people,
> I'll be glad to hand over the responsibility to someone else who
> feels they can do a better job.

I certainly don't feel that way.  Some people will always whine about
being totally OPPRESSED by MEAN PEOPLE.  Nothing new there.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 19:06:33 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: Is nothing sacred!?!?!?!


I heard "500" by Lush used on Entertainment Extra for a few seconds
the other night, jeez. Oh and I agree with that ripping-off of For Love
in the Big Bang Baby. That and Jumpin' Jack Flash.

Steve

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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:01:04 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Is nothing sacred!?!?!?!


At 1:48 PM 5/10/96, Scott, Mari & Brian wrote:
>    I just saw a microsoft commercial with The Chemical Brothers "Life
>is Sweet" in the backround. Is nothing sacred!?!?!?!? If anyone uses
>Girls vs Boys or Soap Joh Henshi I'm gonna kill someone! I SWEAR TO GOD
>THIS ABUSE OF POST-MODERN-ALTERNATIVE-NEW-WAVE-OF-NEW-WAVE-SYNTH-PUNK-
>POWER-POP-ROCK-CORE HAS GOT TO STOP NOW! Please bands, stop selling
>out!
>
Did it every occur to you that maybe their buying in/out the media?

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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:30:19 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: envy, the official drug of 4ad-l


On Fri, 10 May 1996, seann harding wrote:

> Do you realise this lists gets
> mocked ON OTHER LISTS?  They say we argue about trivial stuff more
> than discuss the so-called mandate for this list, which is true!

What exactly is the important business of these other lists that they
have time to spare in which to trash this one? To hell with them. We
talk about what we talk about, and the vast majority of us seem to like
it.

> How
> 'bout a song-by-song review of "Spiritchaser", Huite, because like some
> other mortals, I have to wait until June to hear it!!

Funny thing about you mortals is you seem to have a lot of free time, so
you assume everyone's going to take the whole afternoon and evening off
to absorb a new release. After all, they're more fortunate than you are
so they owe you a review, no?

> PLEASE, you don't need to be a REF of the
> list, you know!!  The whole list would crumble if you didn't log on for a
> whole day, huh?

This is totally uncalled for. If everyone who is too rude or just too
uninterested to read the faq or even know it exists went on asking and
asking stupid question after stupid question, we would hear no end of it.
Why don't you just shout "hey, that wasn't nice, you hurt my feelings!"
and get it over with instead of resorting to cheap insults?

> Huite, PLEASE, go easy on announcing up-to-the-
> minute promo arrivals in your mail box.

It must be SO painful. Jealous any? I am seeing more and more of this
lately and it is truly sickening.


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