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Subject: Re: No,*not* Whatever...
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:52:52 EDT
From: "Glen T. Greenman" (102724.3265@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: CT bio '96 (fwd)
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 04:22:56 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Cd to trade
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:39:10 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: 5 Ways of disapearing..
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 23:11:27 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP what the _________?!
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:57:27 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Yet another commercial jingle.
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 23:30:20 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: cocteau twins playlist....
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 21:07:12 -0700
From: Jack B Huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: what quique means
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 03:21:35 -0400
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS4.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: MORE POLL RESULTS
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 01:30:52 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Breeders, etc.
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:21:41 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Lottery Schmottery
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 12:10:19 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Lush in france ?
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:11:44 +0100
From: Jaax Lawson (jaax@ARIA3.LYON.ARCHI.FR)
Subject: Re: Lush + STP
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 07:05:15 -0400
From: Omar McGrapefruit (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: WOULDBE LISTNAZIS: dont read! this post is a nanometer off
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 07:29:51 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: WOULDBE LISTNAZIS: dont read! this post is a nanometer off
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:44:42 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: DCD rumors
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:29:58 CET
From: "Mesmerised. Break the spell of silence." (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.BITNET)
Subject: Re: The soup is ON / seeing Bill
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 18:01:46 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: RHP single + album info (fwd)
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 18:02:09 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: MORE POLL RESULTS(was Re. Pale Saints/Opal)
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:27:29 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Elvia Sleeps
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:44:02 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: WOULDBE LISTNAZIS: waaaahhhhh!! :~o
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:40:09 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: windy&carl/elysium...lookiehere!
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:51:56 -0600
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: No, *not* Whatever...
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:57:52 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Bad Mood Swings
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:33:33 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: REMOVE MY NAME FROM LIST!!!!!!!
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 02:10:23 +0000
From: JONNY SOEPARMIN (avoh@earthlink.net)
Subject: The Olympic Death Squad/Ida
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 20:24:55 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: FAQers!
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:57:48 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: DCD Ann Arbor Venue??
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 16:04:16 -0400
From: "Rufus T. Firefly" (mwelker@BGNET.BGSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP single + album info (fwd)
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:26:38 -0700
From: Ed Wakabayashi (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Re: what quique means
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:34:06 -0500
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Bad Mood Swings
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:35:47 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bad Mood Swings
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:18:52 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: RHP single + album info (fwd)
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:19:57 -0500
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Glen T. Greenman
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:38:54 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Elvia Sleeps
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:47:57 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: what quique means
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:46:56 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: RHP Kill Your Idols
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 19:47:38 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Auction stuff now fixed price and going cheap!
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 23:52:33 +0100
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Elvia Sleeps
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:31:13 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Adventure Club Sessions CD
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 19:01:02 -0700
From: jeremy redman (jredman@UCI.EDU)
Subject: "shaving kit music" cd, Pale Saints for sale
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 23:49:27 -0400
From: BlissedJ@AOL.COM
Subject: Almost but not quite
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 01:47:51 EST
From: David Boughey (dboughey@MGDESTMX01.ERIN.GOV.AU)

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:52:52 EDT
From: "Glen T. Greenman" (102724.3265@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: No,*not* Whatever...


Ernesto,
Nice to hear from you! Glad you're enjoying the CDs. And thanks for the support.

Glen

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 04:22:56 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: CT bio '96 (fwd)


This was originally posted to the CT list. Before hating me, please
read. It's long, but it's hilarious.

Paul


On Mon, 6 May 1996 20:21:55 -0700 (PDT), Jack B Huynh
 wrote:

>from capitol records for those interested....
>
>jack b huynh
>jhuy@garnet.berkeley.edu
>
>                               http://www.cocteautwins.com/treasure
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>
>Jack--
>
>Liz asked me to forward this to you.
>
>Mitch
>
>
>COCTEAU TWINS
>          It's often said that rock music can only be defined by its
>          limitations. If that's the case, it's no wonder that, for 13
>          years, writers have had such a hard time describing the
>          Cocteau Twins. In June 1983, the release of the band's debut
>          album tossed those so-called limitations into the
>          twilight zone and the Cocteau Twins have been pushing the
>          celestial envelope ever since.
>
>          It all began in 1982, when Robin Guthrie and Elizabeth
>          Fraser moved to London from their hometown of Grangemouth,
>          Scotland. A year later, they signed to a nascent independent
>          record company called 4AD (a label they later defined) and
>          released their first album, Garlands. This first effort
>          collided introspective, dissonant guitars, a post-punk
>          soundscape, and a TR808 electronic drum machine, all of
>          which incited a fanfare of praise and wonder usually
>          reserved for biblical events. This was largely because
>          Fraser's soaring voice lifted the post-industrial clang
>          heavenward and into the supernatural (and a terrestrial #2
>          position in the U.K. independent charts). The follow-up in
>          August 1983, Head Over Heels, saw them hailed as one of the
>          chosen independent British bands, who, along with the likes
>          of Depeche Mode and the Cure, helped shape the early '80s
>          music scene. Robin and Elizabeth's cover of Tim Buckley's
>          "Song to the Siren," recorded as part of 4AD's This Mortal
>          Coil project, only reinforced their reputation as masters of
>          the ethereal.
>
>          By the end of 1983, the duo had recruited Simon Raymonde
>          from a band called the Drowning Craze, and sped into '84
>          with a U.K. hit single called "Pearly-Dewdrops Drops." They
>          also recorded Treasure, an album filled with such sublime
>          eargasms, it prompted one misguided journalist to conclude
>          in a review that "Surely this is the voice of God." Three
>          EPs containing yet more material all raced up the British
>          charts and proved that musically, the band was capable
>          of expanding both outward and upwards.
>
>          Although the band now refute accusations that they've spent
>          much of their career being willfully obscure, there's no
>          doubt they've picked a path of greatest resistance: rarely
>          releasing singles to trail forthcoming albums, touring only
>          when it was least expected, staying clear of virtually all
>          TV appearances and giving nothing away at interviews. Just
>          when they were in a position to capitalize on the success of
>          Treasure, Robin and Liz recorded the acoustic Victorialand
>          (1986) while Simon was working for This Mortal Coil, and the
>          band followed this with The Moon and the Melodies -- a
>          collaboration with minimalist jazz pianist Harold Budd.
>
>          Their debut album for Capitol, Blue Bell Knoll, proved that
>          the Cocteau Twins were one of the few British bands to
>          survive the '80s with their reputation pretty much intact.
>          Although their success in the U.K. has never been properly
>          mirrored in America, their influence permeates through
>          today's avant garde, from the textured rhythms of the
>          Chemical Brothers, to the ambient techno of Seefeel (Mark
>          Clifford collaborated on the Twins' recent EP Otherness).
>
>          Throughout the years, the Cocteau Twins remained a closed
>          book. The band's lyrics were virtually unintelligible (for
>          years, the only printed lyrics was the couplet, "When mama
>          was moth/I took bulb form"), and in person, they made even
>          less sense. The band's dogged refusal to allow anyone into
>          their hermetically sealed world managed to frustrate even
>          their most ardent supporters. All meetings with the band
>          were conducted in an atmosphere of trust and
>          understanding -- the band didn't trust people and people
>          didn't understand the band. "We always thought there was
>          something to hide," Simon now explains. "We second-guessed
>          so much, we acted as though there was some dark secret.
>          After all, all these journalists, who had all these
>          degrees were asking us the same question, so I think we
>          invented this mystery, this oddness, to give us a
>          personality. This is all said with hindsight," he adds. "At
>          the time, we had no masterplan to be odd."
>
>          The Cocteau Twins began the '90s with the same gush of
>          critical plaudits they'd received a decade before with the
>          album, Heaven or Las Vegas. To celebrate the album's title,
>          the band finished the tour at the Las Vegas casino Aladdin
>          (heaven was fully booked at the time). In 1991, the band
>          finally parted company with 4AD in the U.K. and, two years
>          later, released Four-Calendar Cafe.
>
>          No one has ever found a magic formula that somehow links a
>          music that's been described as the iridescent flutter of
>          angels' wings, to three human beings who have spent many
>          years going through personal hell. (The band nearly split up
>          in 1994 because, as Simon recalls, "We got about as low as
>          you could go, personally and emotionally, but we've come out
>          the other end a lot healthier. Things are brilliant now.")
>          It's perhaps the Cocteau Twins' ability to feast on these
>          contradictions that keeps their music so charged.
>
>          Just after the Four-Calendar Cafe World Tour ended, Guthrie
>          went to Brittany to write new songs. There he was later
>          joined by Simon and Liz. The trio then adjourned to their
>          studio in Twickenham, a leafy London suburb, where they
>          recorded more songs together -- the first time the band had
>          been in the studio at the same time since Treasure. "Making
>          this record was a very joyous experience," Robin elaborates.
>          "It only took two months to record, which for us is amazing.
>          We'd always read articles about bands who spoke of the vibe
>          of the band in the studio and we'd have no idea what they
>          were talking about. We thought it was bollocks because that
>          way of working was so alien to us. Simon used to come into
>          the studio in the daytime to do his thing, then I would come
>          in at night to do mine, and then Liz would come in when
>          neither one of us was around. We were never in the studio at
>          the same time. With this album, we really were together much
>          of the time."
>
>          The result is Milk & Kisses, the band's ninth album (their
>          fourth for Capitol). It is very much a Cocteau Twins album
>          (which prompts the band to ask, "What do people expect from
>          us? A rap album?"), yet we are presented with a very
>          different trio -- a band who fully understand their combined
>          strengths and individual weaknesses, whose music sets out to
>          describe the entire spectrum of emotions from distorted
>          sorrow to searing joy. Elizabeth Fraser sees this album as
>          "more exaggerated than any of the albums. Very, very sad and
>          more honest than ever." The singer may claim that this album
>          is more grounded in real life with lyrics culled from her
>          daily journal, yet Fraser's voice continually challenges the
>          very notion of reality. On Milk & Kisses, her intoxicating
>          chant has the brittle strength to melt the hardest of
>          hearts. It's a voice that clearly demonstrates that all that
>          early purple prose about angels and iridescence, although
>          embarrassing to the band, may not have been completely off
>          the mark. Like its two predecessors Heaven or Las Vegas and
>          Four-Calendar Cafe, the lyrics on Milk & Kisses are half
>          discernable lyrics, half a phonetic stream of
>          unconsciousness.
>
>          "I know we make great pieces of music, great atmospheres,"
>          Guthrie explains, "but I wanted to see if we wrote real
>          songs." The answer is a resounding yes. Milk & Kisses is
>          without doubt their most assured work to date, at times
>          ("Half-Gifts," "Rilkean Heart," and the astounding
>          "Treasure Hiding") soaring with the same dangerous beauty as
>          the very best of Treasure or Victorialand.
>
>          Since recording the album last May, the band has been
>          amazingly productive. They wrote a song for the Judge Dredd
>          movie soundtrack, and have written various TV commercials
>          (for the health drink Aqua Libre and Fruitopia in Britain,
>          cars in Japan, and a toothpaste in Spain). In September of
>          1995 Twinlights, a largely acoustic EP, was released
>          followed by the more ambient Otherness EP in December. An
>          eight-minute film made by Dirk Van Dooren to accompany the
>          Twinlights EP won the Grand Jury Prize at the Charleston
>          International Film Festival.
>
>          Although the two EPs were released before the album, they
>          were written after it, which is just the sort of upside-down
>          behavior you'd expect from the strangely strange yet oddly
>          normal Cocteau Twins. The band are currently planning a
>          world tour this year which they hope will visit more
>          intimate venues than their last American adventure.
>
>          They say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Well,
>          it's 1996, so behold... the Cocteau Twins!
>
>
>                                              ###
>
>
>
>
>
>
>          COCTEAU TWINS   MILK & KISSES   (CAPITOL 37049)    MAY 1996
>
>
>
>


Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:39:10 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Cd to trade


Listies,

I managed to get (don=B4t ask me how) two copies of Chandeen=B4s 'Jutland'
album. It=B4s on Hyperium and I think that many of you guys will surely like
music reminescent of Medusa (on some pieces).=20

Here=B4s the deal, since EVERYONE is saying how great Stereolab=B4s=
 Emperor...
is, and living in a small city in Mexico (Torreon) I want to see if anyone
is interested in trading Stereolab=B4s Emperor... for Chandeen=B4s Jutland.

Please mail me at
pepegtc@halcon.laguna.ual.mx
and not to the list.

Gracias por su atencion...

Pepe
*************************************************
'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
                               The Sundays
*************************************************

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 23:11:27 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: 5 Ways of disapearing..


>the only copy of Blue Flower I have is on the AVAM video.  Is Blue Flower
>on the Throwing Back the Apple ep?  That's the only ep I don't have.

yes, though the ep version doesn't have the 20 seconds of swirling guitar
fade in/out at the end of it.  reflections from a watery world is a neat-o
instrumental and the remix of half-life, remembered is better than the
original.

>As for what's up with Pale Saints?  *shrug*  Maybe they'll record a new
>album?

i heard that song on the tom waits tribute cd (thanks, cz) and it seemed
like a return to the days of ian, though it was a cover. . .

>I know that Ian is now part of the ESP Family that worked on the
>new His Name is Alive album (and the track he sings is phenomenal), but I
>don't know about the rest of the band.  Any PS maniacs out there with any
>info??

only a bit.  farrago is still going to be putting out another spoonfed
hybrid ep and then there's going to be the perdition plastics esp summer cd.
ian also mentioned a 7" by oneironaut (i think i spelled it right) in the
last mailing he sent out.  that's supposed to be out on derby records, but i
don't even know what oneironaut is, let alone if it's out yet.  maybe
someone could divulge?

as for the band without ian, i heard they were working on another album at
one point, but it doesn't sound like 4ad will be putting it out when (and
if) they finish it.

sorry i couldn't be of more help,

BiZ


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:57:27 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP what the _________?!


> Anyone heard the ESP FAMILY "Jubilee" 7" EP yet?

yep.

> "This World is Not My Home" has those rambling guitars again. A little Smog
> feel to this one. Very catchy stuff. Deceptively complex strumming/picking

It's not that complex.  I've been able to figure it out...  This one's on
the album, too.  Or rather the His Name is Alive version is.

> Okay. So what's happened here? Has Warren decided to become so ornery and

This is ESP Family, not His Name is Alive... <:-)  Anyway, I think the
single's nothing less than fantastic. Really. Unique (catchy?) production
techniques, strong material -- the aforementioned "this world.."
for example.

I'm glad Warren's projects don't all sound like His Name is Alive.  Buy
the single!  It's nice!

Mike

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 23:30:20 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Yet another commercial jingle.


How about this...I saw Lush's Last night being played on a cop show. I
think it was the one with the guy who has all the powers. This guy was
typing on the computer and I changed the channel. Interesting huh?

                                        Brian

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 21:07:12 -0700
From: Jack B Huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: cocteau twins playlist....


some of you have seen it already in the fan forum, but i copied here for
others without web access...


 Bruce (daisy@mail.bogo.co.uk) writes
       London calling: just back from the gig at the Royal Albert Hall -
all of you who have tickets
for concerts on the current tour are in for real sonic treat. I would not
presume to tellyou how
fabulous an evening it was (the usual "dancing about architecture" rules
apply. Needless to say it
was magnificence in a magnificent setting ( we must immediately send more
miners to the coal face
of meaning to hew new adjectives to describe the music of the cocteau
twins). The music was very
crisp and powerful and Elizabeths voice superb. The set was a fascinating
mix of old and very new
( ie unreleased)- here it is:- Fifty fifty clown, Tishbite, Theft &
wandering, Half gifts, Golden vein,
Rilkean hearts, Pandora, Treasure hiding (hurrah!), Pitch the baby, wait
for it, wait for it......Wax
and wane !, Aloysuis, Lazy calm, Green (the new one), Calfskin smack, I
wear your ring, Iceblink
luck, Seekers who are lovers (3 cheers for our team), Violane. Encores
were Pur (swoon),
Carolyns fingers and ? Blue Bell Knoll. Tantilisingly the 8 tracks that
make up the possible final
song/s include Song to the Siren. The DJs on either side were also
excellent. If you recorded this
concert please, please let me have a copy, it was so good.
london, Uk - Wednesday, May 08, 1996


jack b huynh
jhuy@garnet.berkeley.edu

                                http://www.cocteautwins.com/treasure

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 03:21:35 -0400
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS4.NYU.EDU)
Subject: what quique means


well, mark van hoen (he of aurobindo and seefeel crew) said that he was
writing down song titles but spelling them strangely.  and instead of
writing "kick," he wrote "quique"... so there's not much meaning to it
really.

but everyone says "keek" i believe, i know daren seymour does.


lorelei tremolor,
who says LISTEN TO SCALA IT'S AWESOME


Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 01:30:52 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: MORE POLL RESULTS

              8 May 1996 17:22:02 -04

>   Category: Most annoying 4AD-L retorts
>   1. Come on, this is answered in the FAQ...
>   2. That's right, I'm not going to give the answer here.
>   Read The FAQ, Mate.
>   3. It's in the FAQ
>   4. FAQ OFF!!!
>   5. anything answer to a question that says "It's in the
>   FAQ"

I'm really quite confused about this.  Wait, let me reason this out though.
You're curious about something but too lazy to read the FAQ so you ask the list
so that others will do the work (for you) of retyping what has already been
asked and answered *f*requently.  Then when someone mentions the location where
your answer can be found .... you're indignant about it?

Hmmmm, no that doesn't make sense.  Maybe, instead, the reason you hate such
brevity in a response is that you're lonely and NEED to read constant banter and
are quite fearful that the messages on 4AD-L will dry up if we don't discuss
things over and over again.  OR, i have it now.  You enjoy hearing questions
that *you* know the answers to.  It makes you feel intellectually superior to
someone. When others announce that it's in the FAQ, your knowledge seems
trivialized, since it's contained in a single document that everyone has had
access to.

Okay, my hypothesizing is done.  Those farcical rationales are perhaps only half
as interesting and well-thought out as the real reason for your deep-seated
hatred for FAQsayers.

Sure, there are always cases where you didn't realize something was in the FAQ
(e.g., it was added in a later version than you received AND you were
temporarily unsubbed when the topic came up) and asked the question innocently
enough.  I don't have a problem with that.  But it's only common courtesy to at
least read the FAQ once OR failing that at least accept that some ppl. may tell
you "It's in the FAQ" every once in a while.

smiles, hugs, cute furry animals, daisies, etc.
cz


Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:21:41 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Breeders, etc.


 Sex Dwarf!  wrote on Wed, 8 May 1996
 (Subject: Re: 5 Ways of disapearing..)
 >
 > As for what's up with Pale Saints? *shrug* Maybe they'll record a
 > new album? I know that Ian is now part of the ESP Family that
 > worked on the new His Name is Alive album (and the track he sings
 > is phenomenal), but I don't know about the rest of the band.  Any
 > PS maniacs out there with any info??

On a similar note - yesterday's NME says that the Breeders will be
having a band meeting to decide their future, which sounds ominous.
Kelley has been clean for (seven?) months, she says.  Since both she and
Kim have new bands, I'd bet that we won't see the Breeders again.

 einexile the meek  wrote on Wed, 8 May 1996
 (Subject: life is good, god is great)
 > Orbital - In Sides
 > ------------------
 > This album is a fucking masterpiece, absolutely unassailable,
 > totally solid, better than the brown album, better than G Spot,
 > better than a whole lot of things, PERFECT.

Perhaps I just haven't listened to it enough, but I still think it's a
touch on the bland side.  There aren't as many annoying samples (see
"Duck Feet" or "Philosophy" on the last album), which is good, but the
music seems to have been smoothed out - even "The Box" loses much of its
creepy ambience and energy on the album version.  Then again, it took me
a lot of listens to get into "Snivilisation".  There's a lot of subtlety
to Orbital, and it usually takes me a while to get the point.  Also
bought Disjecta's "Clean Pit & Lid" this week, and I agree entirely with
e's earlier assessment of it - it's an Aphex Twin imitation.  Rather a
good one, but unoriginal nonetheless.


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 09/05/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Stereolab - Refried Ectoplasm


Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 12:10:19 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Lottery Schmottery


On Wed, 8 May 1996 06:55:16 -0400 Omar McGrapefruit
 wrote:
>Lotteries are a tax on the stupid.

...and on the hopelessly optimistic.


 (who promises to send an *on-topic* post to the list soon..)

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:11:44 +0100
From: Jaax Lawson (jaax@ARIA3.LYON.ARCHI.FR)
Subject: Re: Lush in france ?


>As far as I know, (I'm not so well informed however), Lush is not going to
>play here in France.

Hi!
I finally had an answer to my question about lush...
They're going to play in Paris on june 27 th at "le Divan du Monde"
I had it from a "paper-mail" from "Labels" here in france ...
Jaax

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 07:05:15 -0400
From: Omar McGrapefruit (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush + STP


k-j wrote:

>uh...i think the stp song is very retro...a friend's grandmother thought
>  it was the beatles.

He does do that hoarse John Lennon thing in the chorus...

>i was thinking more like t-rex or something.

It's like a composite of some unidentified Beatles song and the Stones'
"Jumping Jack Flash"

>lush
>  really doesn't come into play.

Except in the middle eight, which sounds suspiciously like the one from "For
Love", except with slightly different chords.

>and if it matters to anyone anywhere, i like
>  the new stp stuff. much more listenable than earlier recordings and a
>  billion times better than pearl jam. i'll take weiland and his crazy amish
>  look over greasy vedder anyday...

Make that a crazy Amish junkie look...

Larry


Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 07:29:51 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: WOULDBE LISTNAZIS: dont read! this post is a nanometer off

              topic!

In a message dated 96-05-08 08:08:18 EDT, you write:

>  *but the fact that i'm quite interested in this thread is
>         unimportant, huh?  bbk began this thread by suggesting
>         that we toss all discussion about literal meanings aside
>         and just listen to the music. i suggest that if someone
>         has lost interest in discussion about literal meaning
>         in a song by a 4ad recording artist on an ep released
>         by 4ad, that they gracefully leave the discussion.
>
>

how wrong you are...  the thread began by someone wanting to discuss literal
meanings of the "Wonderwall" song by Oasis, which is when I brough up the
Kookaburra thing...  and I have no problem discussing these things on the
list.... I had meant that discussing a song by a band such as Oasis is NOT
relevant to this list...jheez.

~blu~


Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:44:42 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: WOULDBE LISTNAZIS: dont read! this post is a nanometer off

              topic!

On Thu, 9 May 1996 07:29:51 -0400 BluBelKnol@AOL.COM wrote:
>... I had meant that discussing a song by a band such as Oasis is NOT
>relevant to this list...

...although in alternative universe, both Ride and Oasis signed to 4AD
instead of Creation...


Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:29:58 CET
From: "Mesmerised. Break the spell of silence." (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.BITNET)
Subject: Re: DCD rumors


come on, everybody knows that Lisa is married and that she and Brendan broke up
i think making a 'rumor' of it or a sensation is childish.

being musicians on 4AD they naturally become subjects to the same kind of
interest that pop stars evoke.
it's not only their music that fascinates but also themselves as personalities.
Lisa seems to be thoroughly aware of that and making The Mirror Pool was a proo
f she treats her audience more like her friends than customers.

adam olszewski


Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 18:01:46 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: The soup is ON / seeing Bill


Brant Olaf Nillson wrote:
>It's a totally
>hilarious shot (in the CD booklet too) of Damon(?) leaning out
>a car window in the snow spraying flames from some sort of aerosol can,
>with an incredulous look on his face.

So you actually HAVE the new Swirlies CD? I've only seen 'They Spent Their
Wild Youthful Days In...' CD and that 'Sneaky Flutes' CD-EP in ads. When I
treid to order them I was told that they were not available. Where can I get
them?

Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 18:02:09 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: RHP single + album info (fwd)


>FROM ALT.MUSIC.4AD:
>
>Just heard an advance of the new RHP and it's mostly acoustic, a few
>rockers that I guess Ivo didn't care for but overall very much in keeping
>with Ocean Beach. Three Covers: the Cars' All Mixed Up, Yes' Long Distance
>Runaround (electric version) and Silly Love Songs - McCartney & Wings. The
>single is gonna be All Mixed Up with Ted Nugent's Free for All and Neil
>Young's Midnight by the Bay as the B-sides.

Yes, Paul McCartney & Wings, Ted Nugent and Neil Young!!!???!!!

I'm SO GLAD 4AD dropped Red House Painters!

Frank




>
>Album due out mid-July on Island
>
>
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:27:29 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: MORE POLL RESULTS(was Re. Pale Saints/Opal)


OK, I apologize for getting a bit testy but it's annoying to see these
threads like "who wrote 'Blue Flower'" (which are getting realllly boring
for those of us who've sat through them four or five times already)
resurface despite the answers being in the FAQ explicitly to prevent the
questions from being discussed yet again. The "blue flower" thing has
been in the FAQ for about two years, I think.

It's even more annoying when people who have been on the list for quite
some time and ought to know better (i.e. ought to know that the FAQ
exists) continue to ask these questions.

Is it too much to ask that people take a look at the FAQ once in a while,
especially if they have a question that they suspect may have been
answered before?

Here's the URL again:
  http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/4AD_FAQ.html


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                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:44:02 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Elvia Sleeps


On Wed, 8 May 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:

> Yawn.

Fax got your tongue?

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:40:09 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: WOULDBE LISTNAZIS: waaaahhhhh!! :~o


On Wed, 8 May 1996, daniel klyn wrote:

> On Tue, 7 May 1996 BluBelKnol@AOL.COM wrote:
>
> > what in God's name does this have to do with 4AD other than the fact it's a
> > song title??
>
>         *or for that matter, what the fuck does bbk's little rant have
>          to do with 4AD?

It has to do with 4ad-l.

> > can we move on to relevant discussions now??
>
>         *you are welcomed to move wherever you like!

He was referring to you also.

>          bbk began this thread by suggesting
>          that we toss all discussion about literal meanings aside
>          and just listen to the music.

I think he just meant infantile, hackneyed, and whimsical discussion
about literal meanings. Maybe it's hard to tell the difference these days.

>          

...


 e


Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:51:56 -0600
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: windy&carl/elysium...lookiehere!


alright, i thought i'd crawl out from under my pile of books to give one
of my sillyreviews of the new windy&carl record--'drawing of sound'

here's the deal kidz...

windy&carl--'drawing of sound'
ICON (ICI26)
1.you (4.38)
2.lighthouse (9.03)
3.venice (8.22)
4.awhile (10.10)
5.whisper (10.43)

first off, yucky cover art...just not my thing.  silly line drawings...:)
but...ignore that.

somewhere out there, swirling about in a vast sky, there exists
windy&carl, michigian's favorite drone/ambient/noisekateers.  like
flyingsaucerattack in places, but with much more polished and complex
constructions.  'drawing of sound' is exactly what i wanted it to be
after i heard the 'emerald' 7".  gorgeous layers of sounds that don't get
muddled are complemented by quiet female vocals.  yet, the vocals aren't
quiet in quite the same way as many bands of this nature (that is, hiding
behind the sound and singing almost as if the vocalist is afraid to be
heard); w&c's vocals are prominent enough to not get lost in noise, and
yet don't break the overall subtle mood of the music.

what we have here is a record that is intricate yet somehow simple in its
beauty.  make no mistake, it's filled with lots of droney/fuzzy guitars
feeding back all over the place, but it's not harsh.  in fact, my overall
feeling is one of absolute fragility. (hmmm...i better stop this line of
thought, i can feel the ridiculous metaphors coming on! :) )  hiding
beneath all that fuzz is often a simple melody, a grounding bassline, or
intricate guitar work that sometimes makes me think of good ol' justin
jones in an odd sort of way.  i'd choose this over fsa or llc (as much as
i enoy both these bands).

hmmm...this is not driving music. :) & did i mention that it is better
than their more ambient 'portal' album?  well, it is...

so, have i interested anyone??? well, if you want it, you can order it
from EAR/Rational (ear@xmission.com).  'tis purty cheap too.

on a different note:  elysium (or whatever they're called now) still
gets frequent rotation on my CD-player, and if you haven't bought
'glisten' yet, you truly are missing out.  i happened to have the treat
of spending the afternoon with john&jenny from said band yesterday, and i
got to hear not only a couple of john's 4-track wondertracks (some of the
best drum machine driven guitar soundscapes i've heard in quite some
time...bravo!), but also i got a two song acoustic performance in my room
featuring a new song that was even more beautiful than 'dulcinea' (could
it be?)  the future looks very nice!  once again, contact brant (he posts
enough, eh?) and order 'glisten' now! the quicker they sell those, the
more chance we'll see another album someday (right, rod?).

.orangejuice/toothpaste propaganda minister deluxe.....xxx.

----------------------------------------
.mark. (vonminde@rintintin.Colorado.EDU)

now w/silly website:

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:57:52 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: No, *not* Whatever...


On Wed, 8 May 1996, Glen T. Greenman wrote:

> The problem I was having was that of the six people who originally expressed
> interest in buying the CDs, five, including you, only wanted one or two of the
> titles. On top of that, everyone wanted the same one or two discs. I didn't wa
t
> to sell just one or two of the CDs and then be stuck with the others. That's w
y
> I was so interested in selling them as a set. If four different people each
> wanted a different CD, that would have worked out great. Unfortunately, It
> didn't happen that way. I'm sorry I was unclear on that point.

If this is the case I don't see what your prior record of selling on the
list has to do with this. My statement was that you seemed to have been
caught in a lie. I can accept your explanation here but it wasn't what
you initially said. I did not mean to suggest that you could not be
trusted simply because I disapproved of what you were doing. They are
separate issues.


  e

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 10:33:33 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Bad Mood Swings


Joking about it don't make it untrue.

This album is almost as good as the last Verve album. Let's have a little
analysis...

* The 13th is indeed the best song on the album. When my sister told me
  this I thought she was just experiencing Cure Fan Effect. No, and I
  don't think I am either. Porl Thompson is gone, and the best song on
  this album is The 13th. Think about it.

* There is nothing here nearly as good as It Used to Be Me. Except for
  The 13th there is no interesting guitar work here whatsoever, and no
  clever songwriting.

* When I was complaining about Dredd Song and someone told me "no, their
  new stuff is all better than that" I was a fool to believe them. Who
  was that person? Are you here?? *KICK* That's for having no taste at
  all. Either that you you just happened to have only heard the five
  songs here (of fourteen) that can compete with Dredd Song.

* Other than the single, the only genuinely good song here is Treasure,
  which has an annoying, stilted guitar melody going through it that
  reminds me of 1) the clown on the cover and 2) Bill Laswell. But it's
  okay. So is Jupiter Crash. Okay.

* And even those songs aren't in the least way superior to Adonais or
  Ocean.

* As for the rest, it is a strange, sickening mix of britpop, lounge
  lizard fodder, and children's music. Did anyone see I'll Do Anything?
  Remember the baby song? It's on here.

It really IS that bad. If you have the have the album, take into serious
consideration that you are about to buy something you may well only
listen to ONCE. I am scanning through it a second time only to write this
review, then it goes over there on the shelf. I would take it back to the
store but it's already got sentimental value.

Porl Thompson is gone and The Cure are dead now. I thank him for the
three albums he salvaged while he could; maybe they are all I or anyone
had a right to expect...but right now I am frankly pretty fucking pissed.




 e


Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 02:10:23 +0000
From: JONNY SOEPARMIN (avoh@earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: REMOVE MY NAME FROM LIST!!!!!!!


cool, jason!


Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 20:24:55 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: The Olympic Death Squad/Ida


I received a copy of Mark Robinson's solo album, The Olympic Death Sqaud
'Blue' (Teenbeat 200) the other week. It's a vinyl version, and while I'm
still waiting for the CD to arrive, I wonder if anyone can tell me if
there's an extra (11th) track on the CD? The LP has 10 tracks and lasts 27
min., while the catalogue says: 11 tracks, 30 min.

Frank

P.S. 'Blue' is a bit disappointing. A few great 'Imperial'-type of songs
(esp. 'Mapple Leaf' & 'Ski Jump'), a couple of up tempo tracks, that sound
to me like Air Miami demos, and some New Wave-ish things.
The new Ida (featuring Dan Littleton, also in Liquorice) CD, 'I Know About
You', on Simple Machines (SMR 47) is much better. Even better than their
first album, 'Tales Of Brave Ida', I'd dare to say!
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:57:48 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: FAQers!


Here we go...

CZ wrote:

>>You're curious about something but too lazy to read the FAQ so you ask the
list so that others will do the work (for you) of retyping what has already
been asked and answered *f*requently.<<

I didn't ask the original question and, actually, I have read the FAQ and
think it's a great thing. My point of contention was with the "attitude"
taken.

Also, there are people, newcomers to the list, that haven't heard of the FAQ
or haven't been on the list long enough to realize just how frequently asked
the question they're posing is. As well, there are those who have absolutely
no web access at all and, thus, cannot get to the FAQ.

>>Then when someone mentions the location where
your answer can be found .... you're indignant about it?<<

Again, it wasn't my question...and I wasn't bothered by the answer, only the
bitchy "attitude".

>>You enjoy hearing questions that *you* know the answers to.  It makes you
feel intellectually superior to someone. When others announce that it's in
the FAQ, your knowledge seems
trivialized, since it's contained in a single document that everyone has had
access to.<<

So is this a flame or a psychoanalysis?

>>Those farcical rationales are perhaps only half as interesting and
well-thought out as the real reason for your deep-seated hatred for
FAQsayers.<<

Again. I really don't hate FAQsayers or anyone (well, that's not exactly
true). I do get annoyed with the "holier-than-thou" types who get all bent
out of shape for no reason whatsoever. Oh yeah. It's "deep-seeded".

If you are tired of informing people of the existence of the FAQ so much that
it causes you to act like a shit, then let someone else who has a little more
patience help the person/persons in need.

Or you could have a form letter prepared that you could post. That way, the
list and the knowledge seeker would be spared the venom and spite (though you
are free to still harbor it...though I wouldn't suggest it as it's not
healthy).

Yes, I understand that it can get annoying, but if you stay on this list for
any substantial amount of time, then you've got to accept that you will see
things repeated and questions asked and re-asked (just as I should get used
to seeing the phrase "read the FAQ"). It's just the nature of the beast.

>>Maybe, instead, the reason you hate such brevity in a response is that
you're lonely and NEED to read constant banter and are quite fearful that the
messages on 4AD-L will dry up if we don't discuss things over and over
again.<<

You know, you're absolutely right on this one! Thanks for obliging me with
your longwinded retort.

>>smiles, hugs, cute furry animals, daisies, etc.<<

Back to ya' with more of it!

Roy

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 16:04:16 -0400
From: "Rufus T. Firefly" (mwelker@BGNET.BGSU.EDU)
Subject: DCD Ann Arbor Venue??


Does anyone here have any leads as to what specific venue DCD will be
playing at on their July 22nd tour date in Ann Arbor, Michigan??

I'd be muchly grateful :>

Cheers,
########################################################################
Mike Welker                                       mwelker@bgnet.bgsu.edu
        "The world breaks everyone and afterward many are stronger
                at the broken places."
                                        - Ernest Hemmingway
########################################################################

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:26:38 -0700
From: Ed Wakabayashi (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Re: RHP single + album info (fwd)

              May 9, 96 06:02:09 pm

Frank Brinkhuis said:
>
> >with Ocean Beach. Three Covers: the Cars' All Mixed Up, Yes' Long Distance
> >Runaround (electric version) and Silly Love Songs - McCartney & Wings. The
> >single is gonna be All Mixed Up with Ted Nugent's Free for All and Neil
> >Young's Midnight by the Bay as the B-sides.
>
> Yes, Paul McCartney & Wings, Ted Nugent and Neil Young!!!???!!!
>
> I'm SO GLAD 4AD dropped Red House Painters!

Actually, the version of 'Silly Love Songs' is really really good,
unrecognizable from the original (thank goodness!) save for the lyrics.
If it sounds the same as they've been playing it, it starts out with some
atmospheric guitar play and a slow build into the song.  It takes a moment
to realize that it's the same McCartney song and really it's more a
reinterpretation than a cover.  And if you have a soft spot for the Cars
at all, the cover is really wonderful as well.

Ed
--
Edward Wakabayashi                    /\   You've kissed everybody else's
zorg@alois.icon.palo-alto.med.va.gov  /\      -*Her Majesty the Baby*-
zorg@sirius.com                       \/


Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:34:06 -0500
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: what quique means


At 03:21 AM 5/9/96 -0400, you wrote:
>well, mark van hoen (he of aurobindo and seefeel crew) said that he was
>writing down song titles but spelling them strangely.  and instead of
>writing "kick," he wrote "quique"... so there's not much meaning to it
>really.
>
>but everyone says "keek" i believe, i know daren seymour does.

Isn't Quique a name in spanish?
yeah, it is.  last I remember, it means Henry or something like that.
Quique is short for Enrique.  I think...
anyone?

-zelzah.


Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:35:47 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Bad Mood Swings


I although I have not heard the new Cure album and probably won't.  Those
interested can at the nearest Mega-Virgin store near you:)

==================================================
"Keep Peace With Your Soul. Strive to be Happy. It's Not Easy Fighting the
20th Century."
              In The Nursery
                                     ~|~
                                    /---\
                                   | 0^0 |
                                     <">
                                    \/*\/
                                 Fred Da Pagan
                                   _/_/_/_/
                                  _/   _/
                                 _/_/_/
                                _/
                               _/
           /\_/\
           (o o)
      --ooO-(o)-Ooo--  Pagan Man's sidekick gOD.

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 13:18:52 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Bad Mood Swings


OK...I blew it...I didn't check the 'TO:' box very closely and sent this to
e, alone...obviously meant for the list.

>OK...I don't usually get in the middle of this sort of thing, but I feel
like I've got to put in my two cents...that and I should be transcribing an
Idaho inteview among other things and am trying to put it off as long as
possible.
>
>Anyway, I don't exactly see what anyone (including you, e) are getting in
such an uproar about over this Cure record.  They've slowly starting going
downhill since Head on the Door, with the exception of Disintegration and a
few singles and comp/soundtrack tracks.  Anyone who didn't think that Wish
was their death knell wasn't paying very close attention.  Friday I'm in
Love?  That could go down in history as one of the worst songs ever written.
Right up there with most of the last Verve record, half of King and a good
portion of the last TWP record (yadda yadda yadda).
>
>Personally, I like whichever song it is that I continually catch a minute
of on the radio...with the horn section and almost no beat or groove
whatsoever...probably The 13th...but I'm sure that I'll agree with e on the
rest of the record.
>
>After the demise/downfall of such greats as New Order, Wolfgang Press,
Peter Murphy (and the rest of his Bauhaus cohorts, for that matter),
Siouxsie, Morrissey, Matt Johnson, and the list could go on...but its bound
to happen sometime.  No one has that sort of staying power.  Look at the
Rolling Stones...great in their time...a joke now.  The best we could hope
for is that Fat Bob could find a bottle of whiskey and a fix and maybe find
some of the fire and psychosis that brought on Pornography and The Top.
>
>OK...I'll shut up now.
>
>Rick
>
>
>

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:19:57 -0500
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: RHP single + album info (fwd)


Frank Brinkhuis wrote:
> >Just heard an advance of the new RHP and it's mostly acoustic, a few
> >rockers that I guess Ivo didn't care for but overall very much in keeping
> >with Ocean Beach. Three Covers: the Cars' All Mixed Up, Yes' Long Distance
> >Runaround (electric version) and Silly Love Songs - McCartney & Wings. The
> >single is gonna be All Mixed Up with Ted Nugent's Free for All and Neil
> >Young's Midnight by the Bay as the B-sides.
>
> Yes, Paul McCartney & Wings, Ted Nugent and Neil Young!!!???!!!
>
> I'm SO GLAD 4AD dropped Red House Painters!

Tee hee hee.  As much as I love the arrangement on their acoustic version of "Sh
ck
Me," I'm almost embarrassed by what an outright silly song they picked to overha
l.
"Shock me, put on your black leather"?  Please, gimme a break!  KISS might have
made for cool lunchboxes and dress-up dolls, but what was cornball twenty+ years
ago is
still quite cornball.

All this said, I've got to say that RHP's version of "All Mixed Up" is just abso
utely
priceless, if only for the amount of confusion it wreaks upon the hipster set wh
'd
never fess up to ever having owned Cars records, who suddenly start scratching t
eir
heads and ask their friends, "Hey, I know this song, what is it?"  I think I lik
 it
better than Letters to Cleo's take on "Dangerous Type," although that's really n
t
saying a hell of a lot.

Let's think of it this way - at least they didn't try covering Grand Funk Railro
d or
Foghat.  Can anyone try to imagine what "Slowride" would sound like, RHP-ized?
[shudder]  However, I would gladly pay money to hear Mark & Co's take on "Starsh
p
Trooper, or someone like Spiritualized [Electric Mainline, natch] overhaul all o

"Shine On You Crazy Diamond".  I'm joking.  Kinda.

Cheers,


hk

PS. Hey, Frank, sorry I haven't written you back, but everything for the Spoonfe
 disc
should be arriving at the pressing plant next week, which means that the EP will
be
ready by the end of the month.
--
hk@neosoft.com | farrago@delphi.com | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
"this one's for the nuge!" - gail greenwood

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:38:54 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Glen T. Greenman


Look man, don't sell them. I offered. No reply. What i suggest you do is
take the whole situation to level 1 (chill out period). Think about what
you want to do at a later date and then sell them the way you see fit.
Please think it out clearly, that way you won't have little men like
einexile the meek in you face.:)

==================================================
"Keep Peace With Your Soul. Strive to be Happy. It's Not Easy Fighting the
20th Century."
              In The Nursery
                                     ~|~
                                    /---\
                                   | 0^0 |
                                     <">
                                    \/*\/
                                 Fred Da Pagan
                                   _/_/_/_/
                                  _/   _/
                                 _/_/_/
                                _/
                               _/
           /\_/\
           (o o)
      --ooO-(o)-Ooo--  Pagan Man's sidekick gOD.

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:47:57 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Elvia Sleeps


At 10:44 AM 5/9/96, einexile the meek wrote:
>On Wed, 8 May 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:
>
>> Yawn.
>
>Fax got your tongue?
Hardly. I had a lot of support on this issue.  And that is the reason why I
kept quite.  When you one is correct, the sound of silence ringings
resolute. You seem to forget that it is I, Fred, not Elvia. Elvia made you
look like fool on this list, so what are you talking about.  What really is
sad is that a lot of people on the ambient list are afraid of being kicked
off if they speak out against FAX.  I am seriously contemplating boycotting
their product.  I don't know. I have to think about it seriously.

P.S.Your reviews a getting a litter shorter...but not by much.  Too much
verbiage. You really need to work on this.

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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:46:56 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: what quique means


>Isn't Quique a name in spanish?
>yeah, it is.  last I remember, it means Henry or something like that.
>Quique is short for Enrique.  I think...

Quique and Enrique play for Barcelona and Real Madrid respectively, don't they?

Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++


Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 19:47:38 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: RHP Kill Your Idols


>Frank Brinkhuis said:
>>
>> >with Ocean Beach. Three Covers: the Cars' All Mixed Up, Yes' Long Distance
>> >Runaround (electric version) and Silly Love Songs - McCartney & Wings. The
>> >single is gonna be All Mixed Up with Ted Nugent's Free for All and Neil
>> >Young's Midnight by the Bay as the B-sides.
>>
>> Yes, Paul McCartney & Wings, Ted Nugent and Neil Young!!!???!!!
>>
>> I'm SO GLAD 4AD dropped Red House Painters!

Are you? Hmmm. You see cover versions do not necessarily
make a band worse either as 4AD alumni or not. Here are a few
4AD covers that are actually not too bad.

Heidi Berry - Up in the Air
Pale Saints - Blue Flower
The Breeders - Happiness is a Warm Gun
Mojave - Dylan Covers
Mojave (ok Slowdive) - Some Velvet Morning

to name but a few.

Anyone who can take a crap 70's song and make it
really cool gets my vote. As if RHP perform like Wings or
Paul Simon, come on. These songs are all just fodder for
new interpretation. I think that the way a band interprets a
cover shows alot about the band and not about the original
artist. Another example is the Catherine Wheel's version of
the Spirit of Radio by Rush. I hate rush but I find the interpretation
by Catherine Wheel to be kinda cool. Another example is
Nick Cave's Tower of Song by Leonard Cohen (although
Cohen is cool, he should be on 4AD).

Hell if Hollywood can plunder all the old tv shows
why can't RHP do a little interesting work with crappy
70's icons of pop? We can't all expect RHP do to
endless Iggy Pop, MC5, Dylan or Bowie. I would love to see
Lush personally do a Blondie song to show Elastica
how the whole 70's revival stuff should be done.

Neil Young has been become cool again for alot
of American alternative rock musicians. As a Canadian
I am hoping that Gordon Lightfoot doesn't get the
same revival (oh no!). Now that would be funny, or
Anne Murray interpreted by Kim Deal, where do
I get my copy!!!!

RHP may be gone but they will not be forgotten in
the same way people still see CTs as a 4AD group
in alot of ways.

Steve

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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 23:52:33 +0100
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Auction stuff now fixed price and going cheap!


Okay buddies,

I know my pal Roy stuck this stuff to the list for me/my friend ('s old
brother's sister-in-laws step-mothers grandson) whilst I was away from my
e-mail account, but it seems there wasn't many takers... Hey you Yanks,
bidding in pounds Sterling is not difficult for God's sake. It's amazing
how many people balked at that - everyone else in any other country has to
deal with foreign currency all the time, especially US dollars. Yes, it's
an inconvenience, but so's downloading and deleting all these auction
messages and that tosser Artc's (or whatever he calls himself) posts...

So I'll get to the point.

In the end my mate flogged most of the items below to a local s/h record
shop - the Left Legged Pineapple in Loughborough. This was now a week or so
ago so some may have gone. I grabbed all the rarer deleted stuff and have
marked these with an * (mail me if you're desperate for them coz I might
sell...).

The Left Legged Pineapple is run by a guy called Jason, who is very
pleasant. He will (get this all you Americans) take credit card orders and
will mail stuff out to you! Wow! That means no messy IMOs - it just gets
charged straight to your account.

The prices are roughly 3 UKP per 12", and 5 per album. The Pink Opaque is
18 UKP and Treasure is 10 UKP.

Ain't that cheap?
+++++++++++++++++

Anyway, if you're interested phone : +44 1509 236 791
                           or fax :  +44 1509 210 106


Ask to speak to Jason if possible, and tell him that you heard about the
stuff from me (Andie) via the Internet.

Hope there's something there you want:


////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

THE WOLFGANG PRESS:

- Burden of Mules LP; BAD 308
*- Scarecrow 12" (out of print); BAD 409
*- Water 12" (out of print); BAD 502
*- Sweatbox 12" (out of print); BAD 506
- The Legendary Wolfgang Press...LP; BAD 514
- Standing Up Straight LP; CAD 606
- Big Sex 12"; BAD 702
*- King of Soul 12" (out of print); BAD 804
- Birdwood Cage LP; CAD 810
- Kansas 12"; BAD 902
- Raintime 12"; BAD 907
- Mama Told Me Not To Come 12"; BAD 1007

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

COCTEAU TWINS

- Garlands LP); CAD 211
- Head Over Heels LP; CAD 313
- The Spanglemaker 12"; BAD 405
- Treasure LP c/w Aikea Guinea 12"; BAD 412
- Tiny Dynamine 12" Gatefold; BAD 510
- The Pink Opaque import LP; CAD 513
- Victorialand LP (vinyl out of print); CAD 602
- Blue Bell Knoll LP; CAD 807
- Interview Picture Disk; non 4AD


...WITH HAROLD BUDD

- Moon and the Melodies LP(vinyl out of print); CAD 611

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

VARIOUS

- Lonely Is An Eyesore LP; CAD 703

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

THIS MORTAL COIL

- It'll End In Tears LP; CAD 411
*- Drugs 10" (limited, rare, out of print); BAD 608
- Filigree and Shadow Double LP; DAD 609

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

PETER NOOTEN & MICHAEL BROOK

- Sleeps With the Fishes LP; CAD 710

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

THROWING MUSES

- Hunkpapa LP; 4AD; CAD 901
- Dizzy 12"; 4AD; BAD 903
- Not Too Soon 12"; BADC 1015

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

MARRS

- Pump Up the Volume 12"; BAD 707
- Pump Up the Volume 12" (green); BAD 707R
- Pump Up the Volume 12"; non 4AD, 4th and Broadway

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

THE BIRTHDAY PARTY

- The Bad Seed LP; CAD 301
- Release the Bats 12"; BAD 307

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

XMAL DEUTSCHLAND

- Qual 12"; BAD 305
- Incubus Succubus II 12"; BAD 311
- Matador 12"; non 4AD

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PIXIES

- Gigantic 12"; BAD 805
- Monkey Gone To Heaven 12"; BAD 904
- Here Comes Your Man 12"; BAD 909

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

ULTRA VIVID SCENE

- She Screamed 12"; BAD 806
- Mercy Seat 12"; BAD 906
- Staring at the Sun 12"; BAD 0004

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

LUSH

- Scar Mini LP; JAD 911
- Mad Love 12"; BAD 0003
- Spooky (limited edition gatefold 10"); BADD 2001

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

BELLY

- Now They'll Sleep 12"; BAD 5003
- Seal My Fate 12" Promo; BAD 5007

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

COLOURBOX

- Punch 12"; BAD 406
- Colourbox LP (w/ Japanese Women/Fruit label cover); CAD 508

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

RICHENEL

*- L'Esclave Endormi 12" (out of print); BAD 601

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

AR KANE

- Lollita 12" (out of print); BAD 704

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

PALE SAINTS

- Barging into the Presence of God 12"; BAD 910
- Comforts of Madness LP (vinyl out of print); CAD 0002

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

MODERN ENGLISH

*- Life In The Gladhouse 12" (out of print); CAD 0002

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

BAUHAUS

- 4AD 12"; BAD 312

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

SCHEER

*- Schism CDEP (autographed); BAD 5012
*- Shea 12" Promo; Scheer2
- Shea CDEP Promo

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////



BTW - I'm not in Loughborough any more so no, I can't go get you
stuff/trade with you for the unasterisked items. Sorry. Ask Andrew Norman -
he's only 10 minutes away!

Cheers!

Andie

Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:31:13 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Elvia Sleeps


"Elvia M. Tarango"  writes:

> Hardly. I had a lot of support on this issue.  And that is the reason why I
> kept quite.  When you one is correct, the sound of silence ringings
> resolute.

Elvia -- eat shit and die.  And I mean that in the nicest way
possible.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 19:01:02 -0700
From: jeremy redman (jredman@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Adventure Club Sessions CD


yesterday I mentioned this cd, and have had a few requests from people for
the info about it, so here goes...

  Send $15 per copy to Reel George Productions, inc, PO Box 280173,
  Dallas,Texas 75228

  you can check out the cover and some of the other Reel George CDs at
  http://www.onramp.net/RGP/rgp.html

the track listing is as follows (i think all songs are either recorded for
this or are unreleased in the U.S.)
 Ocean Colour Scene - Alibis
 Frank Black - Old Black Dawning, Czar
 Jellyfish - The King is Half-Undressed
 Catherine Wheel - Don't want to know if you are lonely
 James - Lose Control, Maria's Party
 The Cranberries - Linger
 The House of Love - Crush Me
 Blur - Miss America
 The Lilac Time - Two Sooner Late Than Better, Raspberry Beret/Kiss Me
 His Name Is Alive - Baby Fish Mouth
 Frazier Chorus - Cloud Eight
 The Trash Can Sinatras - The Safecracker
 The Posies - Will You Ever Ease Your Mind
 XTC - Blue Beret
 Lemonheads - It's about Time
 Suede - My Insatiable One

--
jeremy redman      "peace in a world free from religion,
 jredman@uci.edu     peace in a world where everyone gets heaven."
                      - Toni Halliday


Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 23:49:27 -0400
From: BlissedJ@AOL.COM
Subject: "shaving kit music" cd, Pale Saints for sale


anybody out there need a copy of the following:

"shaving kit music" PRO-CD-8165-R

Pale Saints "comforts of madness" cad 0002 cd

mail me (not the list) with an offer by wed. the 15th...

Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 01:47:51 EST
From: David Boughey (dboughey@MGDESTMX01.ERIN.GOV.AU)
Subject: Almost but not quite


Wednesday 8 April 1996

For the first time in quite a while a sort of thislisty band (Underground
Lovers) arrived in Canberra.  I almost got to see them.

About 4 songs into the support act a member of the audience walked up on stage,
knocking a microphone over, and then proceeded to kick over speakers and
amplifiers and finally a guitar set up at the back of the stage.  By that time
the support act band members had descended upon him (of course the bouncer then
descended upon the band members while the kicker walked away etc).

After about a one and a half hour wait we were informed that the equipment
damaged was to be used for the Underground Lovers performance and that the gig
was off.

oh well

David Boughey