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Subject: Re: Yet another commercial jingle ...
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:52:09 -0700
From: Chris Mayes (mm211595@OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU)
Subject: REMOVE MY NAME FROM LIST!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 00:34:59 EDT
From: Jennifer Pomerantz (76351.3061@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Yet another commercial jingle ...
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 00:03:34 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush Interview
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:53:46 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: STP: Lawrence
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:54:19 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Re: REMOVE MY NAME FROM LIST!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 00:16:10 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Whatever
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:44:51 EDT
From: "Glen T. Greenman" (102724.3265@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: STP-Cleveland
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 02:42:05 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'/meanings...
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:05:04 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: No, *not* Whatever...
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:37:55 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: herd of scenic tonight
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:50:00 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal and the Flaming Queen
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:16:24 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: John Peel/Portishead Q
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:12:39 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Lush and STP
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 06:55:16 -0400
From: Omar McGrapefruit (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: life is good, god is great
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 03:53:10 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: WOULDBE LISTNAZIS: dont read! this post is a nanometer off topic!
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 07:58:26 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Things ESP
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:22:59 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Commercial Jingles
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:21:35 -0400
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Don't ask/Lyrics and content
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:03:30 -0400
From: liles melissa m (mmlile@FACSTAFF.WM.EDU)
Subject: ACHTUNG: only semi topical (Don't ask/Lyrics and content)
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:51:15 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: No, *not* Whatever...
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:32:10 EDT
From: "Glen T. Greenman" (102724.3265@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: DCD rumors
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:44:40 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'/meanings...
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 07:51:12 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Yet another commercial jingle ...
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:49:16 -0500
From: Steven Szaks (gszaks@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush and STP
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:17:44 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: herd of scenic tonight
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:26:26 -0500
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD rumors
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:40:54 +0000
From: Maximillian Medina (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: RHP single + album info (fwd)
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:44:26 +0000
From: Maximillian Medina (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: life is good, god is great
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:32:30 +0000
From: JONNY SOEPARMIN (avoh@earthlink.net)
Subject: MORE POLL RESULTS(was Re. Pale Saints/Opal)
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 17:22:02 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: tmc
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:28:27 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: WARNING: non 4AD corporate topic!!!!
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:49:31 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Re: No, *not* Whatever...
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:12:07 -0500
From: "Me :)" (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: ESP what the _________?!
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 17:47:55 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Area CDs
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:09:19 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: LUSH promo info
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:48:02 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: The Infection Man!
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 18:16:07 -0500
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: TV & Music
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:11:43 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Scenic (a.k.a. SKEEENIC)
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 14:24:40 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Art for art's (Christ's) sake
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:06:41 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Yet another commercial jingle... carnival one
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:16:24 -0400
From: Athol (ktp52952@PEGASUS.CC.UCF.EDU)
Subject: Re: 5 Ways of disapearing..
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:46:17 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Kookaburra saga
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:30:08 +1000
From: Matthew Kirkcaldie (matthewk@POSTOFFICE.UTAS.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: PALE SAINTS/OPAL
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:19:53 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Lush and STP
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 23:13:53 +0000
From: Jamin Suwandi (jamin@VIVID.NET)
Subject: KCRW live stuff
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 19:19:26 -0700
From: jeremy redman (jredman@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: tmc
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:15:01 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: The soup is ON / seeing Bill
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:48:00 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: REMOVE MY NAME FROM LIST!!!!!!!
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:25:38 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:52:09 -0700
From: Chris Mayes (mm211595@OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Yet another commercial jingle ...


By the time I made my way in front of the TV, all that
> awaited me was a lemon-yellow screen with the Microsoft logo in the center.
> Can anyone perchance offer any insight as to exactly which commercial and,
> more specifically, which band might have caught my attention?
Might this be Shonen Knife's cover of 'Top of the World?'  Don't ask me
who originally did the song, I only know that it is a cover.  It's on
_The Birds and the B-sides,_ a recent aquisition for me.  I, too, was
surprised, even shocked to hear the tune on a Microsoft commercial!  It
seems The Man is developing good taste in music :)  C yas.

                                                Chris M.

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 00:34:59 EDT
From: Jennifer Pomerantz (76351.3061@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: REMOVE MY NAME FROM LIST!!!!!!!


Please remove my name and address from your most annoying mailing list!

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 00:03:34 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Yet another commercial jingle ...


>Might this be Shonen Knife's cover of 'Top of the World?'  Don't ask me
>who originally did the song, I only know that it is a cover.  It's on
>_The Birds and the B-sides,_ a recent aquisition for me.  I, too, was
>surprised, even shocked to hear the tune on a Microsoft commercial!  It
>seems The Man is developing good taste in music :)  C yas.
>
>                                                Chris M.

What, there's no songwriting credits listed in the Byrds album?  Fortunately,
the Carpenters did not make such an oversite: written by Richard Carpenter &
John Bettis - Almo Music Corp/Hammer & Nail Music, Inc. (ASCAP-of course).
Assuming, of course, it's the same song.

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:53:46 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Lush Interview


back to Lush, I got this from the Interview at Brunswick:


even get
to hear the thing. It was a very bad plan that went on there - it was badly
marketed, and not many people heard it. And I was quite resentful as it=
 meant
that with this record it was like starting again. Instead of making a step
forward
after Split, we made a step back and it wasn't because of the record - it=
 was a
better record than Spooky.=20

*******

Not that I care if it sells tons or not, but For what I read in some
magazines, Split was reviewed as as great album! Did this happen in the UK?=
=20

Pepe

Who=B4s laughing his ass at the moronic Weird Al Yankovic=B4s 'Gump' video
(ripping off TPOTUSOA=B4s 'Lump'...)

*************************************************
'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
                               The Sundays
*************************************************


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:54:19 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: STP: Lawrence


Realizing that all messages on this list must now pertain to 1)Stereolab,
2)"Wonderwall", or 3)shaving the pavement, I have a query: Does anybody have
any info on the Lawrence KS date?  I know it is on saturday, at the Granada,
and tickets are I think $10, but that's it.  Is there an instore anywhere?
Will we be able to get a copy of the STP tape?  Is it even an "official" STP
stop?  The ad in the paper just says Lush with Scheer and Mojave3--it doesn't
mention "Shaving the Pavement."
Thanks in advance for your consideration,
--gary (gruisinger@cctr.umkc.edu)
PS-is anybody here into Scheer? I have a Scheer demo 7" with I think 3 tracks.
If I am not impressed with their live show, I'll probably be looking to sell
it.  Interested parties please email me privately--4)there will be no lottery,
I promise.

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 00:16:10 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: REMOVE MY NAME FROM LIST!!!!!!!

              Wed, 8 May 1996 00:34:59 EDT

>   Please remove my name and address from your most
>   annoying mailing list!

Please remove your own most annoying self from our mailing list!


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:44:51 EDT
From: "Glen T. Greenman" (102724.3265@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Whatever


>From Jason Wintz:

>>>You weren't greedy; just stupid.<<<

Maybe I'll surprise you and actually agree with you on this point. I wish I had
originally set the price at $1.00, and gone from there.

>>>You say you expected 6 people to take part in the lottery.<<<

I didn't say that; I said six people expressed an interest in buying the CDs. I
arbitrarily used that number as a basic for figuring the entry price.

>>>So while one person got the bargain of 4 CDs for $10, the
other five would be FUCKED out of $10 each.  Why should these people
spend that much money to get nothing in return?  Do you *really* think
that, faced with that proposition, you would take part in such a
lottery?<<<

Again, this returns to the fact that I set the price too high. If it were me, I
would not recommend gambling away money like that. But I've seen examples of
people who spend $10, or $20 or more on lotto tickets. (I know, I know, lotto
payouts are much larger than my lottery; I'm just using it as an example of how
people will sometimes just throw money away.)

>>>What makes you think that you're so special that you shouldn't have to take a
monetary loss on these things?<<<

I don't think I'm special. But why SHOULD I have to take a loss on things? Can't
certain items appreciate and then I take advantage of their increased worth?

>>> And what's with the insistence that they all go to the same person?<<<

They all don't have to go to the same person. I'm just not interested in
selling, say, just one and keeping the other three. That's pointless, in my
opinion. Feel free to disagree.

>>>Basically, you sound like you want to get rid of the cds while making
back at least what you paid for them and putting little or no effort
into it.<<<

That's true. I don't see anything wrong with that, and I think we can all agree
on that point.


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 02:42:05 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: STP-Cleveland


> Mojave 3 was quite a disappointment.  While Ask Me Tomorrow is a great 'lights

> off/altered mood' record, it just doesn't translate live.  'Mercy' sounded
> good, but they're just not diverse enough to pull it off.

i thought they were amazingly great at the in-store here in detroit. i
think bands like mojave three get shitted on at such large venues. the
smaller for mojave three the better.

> Now, the idea of a heavy metal band on the art-strangled 4ad sounds like a
> great joke.  Unfortunately, Ivo didn't pick a band that writes actual songs.
> They're loud enough and ugly enough, but only 'Wish You Were Dead' is really
> of any consequence both live and on Infliction.  Shame too, because 'Wish' is
> pretty good.  Maybe they'll grow into something, probably on some other label.

scheer is no where near heavy metal. they aren't even pixies loud. not
even close to the birthday party. scheer i thought stole the show here in
detroit. the vocals were right on and the guitars were loud.

> Thankfully, Lush turned in their most accomplished performance, that i've
> witnessed in Cleveland, to date.  Aside from the giddy thrill of seeing them
> with Ride several years ago, this was a manic pop thrill.  The new songs sound
> justified in a live setting, even though I was scared after hearing Lovelife.
> Now that any mystique surrounding them is gone, I was afraid they were just
> boring, like Tracey Thorn, I was wrong.  'Single Girl' scraped along nicely
> and 'The Childcatcher' actually had some blood in its veins.  '500' could be
> Lush's 'Friday, I'm In Love', though I'm not sure if that's good or bad.
> The band even saw fit to move around, except for Emma, who is starting to look
> like the horrid Natalie Merchant (e.g. chubby, stagnant).  The sound was great
> and the old cuts were tight.  A scathing rendition of 'De-Luxe' made me sweat.
> 'Undertow' was grinding and tense and Miki reclaimed 'For Love' from the Stone
> Temple Addicts' 'Big Bang Whatever.'
>

i think i agree with the lush comments... the new album didn't seem to far
different from the earlier stuff when played live. i thought it was lush's
best performance i've seen. it was my third.

> The moral of this story:  buy Ask Me Tomorrow, show up late enough for Lush an

> check out the promo cassette, which they passed out after the show here.  New 
rendan Perry-produced Heidi Berry is enough to recommend the cassette, but there
s also a re-recorded version of 'Halfway to Madness' from the wonderful
> Tarnation, which I rarely ever see mentioned on this list.  Dark, American
> gothic and highly recommended.  'ESP Summer' by HNIA is also very cool.  Plus,
> they've programmed the two Scheer songs at the end of side one, so you can jus

> fast forward through them.  Too bad v23 wasted some of the most unnerving
> visuals they've done on such a crap band.

i don't like the remix of the tarnation. the guitar work is kind of
drowned out. i like the album version a bunch more. i think the new hnia
song is the best song on the whole tape. i wish that they would have
included a dead can dance song. i really like the lisa germano song too. i
haven't really liked her earlier stuff, but i liked what i have heard.

Tim >


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:05:04 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'/meanings...


On Tue, 7 May 1996, daniel klyn wrote:

> and about the 'dont ask....just enjoy' thing, does anyone else
> find it mostly impossible to not ask; especially in relation to something
> as important as art?

I do, because it's usually either a veiled apology for said 'art'
actually being only 'entertainment'...or a cop-out because the asshole
just looked around his room for something with which to end a lyric...


 einexile, enemy of the people


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:37:55 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: No, *not* Whatever...


On Wed, 8 May 1996, Glen T. Greenman wrote:

> I don't think I'm special. But why SHOULD I have to take a loss on things? Can
t
> certain items appreciate and then I take advantage of their increased worth?

Maybe we're all in the same boat and sooner or later someone who wants to
get rid of something you would love to have will simply make a note of
that fact and sell it for a reasonable price. Or at least for what it's
worth to the person who wants it most. What you're doing is frankly a
rudetease to a lot of people. You are causing some grief for your fellow
music enthusiasts and they have a right to feel slighted. Maybe what
you're doing isn't wrong, but it's quite possible that it *does* make you
a prick.

> They all don't have to go to the same person.

That's not what you told me. When you wrote, your stated reason for not
selling them to me was that you didn't want to break them up and wished
to sell them as a set.

My recommendation to the rest of the list is not to do business with this
person. He is a liar and will probably rip you off. Beyond that, may I
politely suggest not giving your money to anyone who tries something like
this. It is simply not in our best interests as fans to allow such
schemes to popularize and breed.

 e


ontopic sorta: Can someone direct me to the version of that Underworld
track that appears in Hackers? The song playing when they jump into the
dumpster, when the feds storm the subway station, etc. I love that song
but the version I have has these awful samples and is very muddy in
general. Many thanks...

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:50:00 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: herd of scenic tonight


Just this evening, while listening to the radio was one of those weird moments.
A song came on that I knew, and I knew that I knew, but couldn't place it at
all. I was thinking I must have seen it live, because my recorded music
collection is much more familiar, soemthing told me... Pheonix...
After a new Cocteau song, it was back anounced as "Ionia" a new song from
Scenic, Of Course! I could have hit myself! (I think that was the title)

Does this mean the next release is emminent? Are there promos racing to
music directors in all corners of the globe? Now that would be something to
get excited about, really, a stunning track. These questions are really
for Brandon Capps, but this list really needs to move on from TV music
and bickering, blah, blah.
gotta go woosh,
-nick


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:16:24 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal and the Flaming Queen


On Tue, 7 May 1996 12:44:37 -0400 Joseph Burns
 wrote:
>just a side note -
>
>there's a difference between being gay and being a 'flaming queen'.
>Objecting to someone being a flaming queen is not the same as objecting
>to homosexuality.

Sorry, I just had a vision of HRH Elizabeth II sitting in the computer room
at Buckingham Palace and posting abusive messages onto the net...


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:12:39 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: John Peel/Portishead Q

              96 10:48:56 am

 "Neil G."  wrote on Tue, 7 May 1996
 (Subject: John Peel/Portishead Q)
 > A few years back I used to be into the 'completist' thing and was
 > not happy if even a 'Peel Sessions' recording of an admired band
 > was outstanding.  There used to be quite a good record shop
 > opposite this university which used to stock all the latest Peel
 > Sessions.  Since this shop closed down a few years back, I have not
 > seen any new PS's.  Is John Peel still releasing them and if his
 > Radio 1 show is still around, what kind of music is he playing
 > these days.

The Fall, of course.  I haven't listened to Peel for ages, but
apparently he has a tape of the new Fall album which he's writing the
sleeve notes for (!).  The sessions are still being released in various
forms - two so-so Orb sessions were released as an album the other week,
and came with a leaflet detailing all the currently available releases.
Most of the single session EPs which were released on CD are still
around (there were a lot which only ever appeared on vinyl, and Strange
Fruit seem to have dropped that format).  There are a couple of other
sub-labels - Windsong releases live shows which the BBC taped (a lot of
seventies acts, Family and the like), and Andy Kershaw has his own label
for world music.

 > A few weeks ago I saw a music show from the UK on television over
 > here called The White Room (its format is very similar to that of
 > the Joolz Holland Show).  The programme in question had Portishead
 > performing two of their compositions.  The first number was from
 > Dummy, but I had not heard the second track before.  If I can
 > remember correctly it had the line, "...something has taken hold of
 > me..." (or something like that) repeated a few times.  Not having
 > any of the CD singles and their Web page at Go Discs being very
 > uninformative, can anyone help me out with a name for this track?

Possibly "Mourning Air" (their track on the "Help" compilation)?  The
new Orbital album (tenuous connection - it contains "Adnan's", a tune
which first appeared on that compilation) seems OK but a bit bland on
first listen.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 08/05/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Orbital


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 06:55:16 -0400
From: Omar McGrapefruit (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Lush and STP


>Miki reclaimed 'For Love' from the Stone
>Temple Addicts' 'Big Bang Whatever

You know, everytime I see that video, I think, "Do they realise what they're
doing? They have to - look how embarrassed they look when they sing that
part". I guess they figured it was time to rip off someone new, and choosing
one of them obscure English bands no one's heard of would be pretty safe.

Lotteries are a tax on the stupid.

Quisquose has been linked to cancer in lab rats.


Larry

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 03:53:10 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: life is good, god is great


Orbital - In Sides
------------------
I take back everything I ever said about Snivilisation and Times Fly, not
because I feel any differently about those records but because Orbital
have fucking BOUGHT ME. Right now, I would do just about anything for
those crazy bastards.
  I listen to a lot of music, and I honestly like or even love about 80%
of it, but it's not often at all that a record comes along which proves to
me that it's great to be alive. I don't often look for stuff like that,
but on occasion something can really drive home the point whether it
needs to be made or not, and here is one. This album is a fucking
masterpiece, absolutely unassailable, totally solid, better than the
brown album, better than G Spot, better than a whole lot of things,
PERFECT. I have the urge to curse gratuitously in order to communicate my
feelings. I could get into a fistfight over this album.
  It's not possible for me to move the player from the last track at the
moment, but it's 25 minutes long so it will do. :) All of this is as good
as or better than Remind or anything on The Box, as sweet as or more
gorgeous than Forever. An album cannot carry on like this. It just
cannot. At this intensity, it's got to fail somewhere--but no. It's
unstoppable.
  What we have here is a solid rock of an album that moves from one end
to the other without distraction or annoyance--nothing that fails or
doesn't fit a la Monday, nothing irritating like Quality Seconds or its
neighbors--just fast, hip little totally satisfying beats, gorgeous song
and bleeping and rambling and tweetering, subtle, subtexty basslines and
twists and turns and cleverness every which way. It goes on forever and
yet does not hammer itself into you because it's got so many perfect
moments of quiet and waiting, suspense, such structure and dynamic, such
range of mood without ever drifting off on weird or stupid tangents or
indulging in self-congratulatory abstraction. EVERYTHING builds to or
results in moments of perfection and beauty, and all the getting there
is shot through with the utmost respect and reverence for the art, the
ethic, the...something. There is incredible professionalism and artistry
here; the album is so well and carefully considered, yet so organic and
emotional.
  It's not often that I am struck into complete awe of another's talent,
but I am in such awe here. I take off my hat to these men: they have
blown me away like few others ever have, and I am at a loss for words to
express how distant and beyond me they seem at this moment. Album of the
year. Probably. We'll see...but probably. :)



 e


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 07:58:26 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: WOULDBE LISTNAZIS: dont read! this post is a nanometer off topic!


On Tue, 7 May 1996 BluBelKnol@AOL.COM wrote:

> what in God's name does this have to do with 4AD other than the fact it's a
> song title??

        *or for that matter, what the fuck does bbk's little rant have
         to do with 4AD?


> can we move on to relevant discussions now??

        *you are welcomed to move wherever you like!

> (sorry I even mentioned the word - "kookaburra" that is)

        *but the fact that i'm quite interested in this thread is
         unimportant, huh?  bbk began this thread by suggesting
         that we toss all discussion about literal meanings aside
         and just listen to the music. i suggest that if someone
         has lost interest in discussion about literal meaning
         in a song by a 4ad recording artist on an ep released
         by 4ad, that they gracefully leave the discussion.

         
          dna




Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:22:59 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Things ESP


I was refering to the ESP Summer 10" from Farrago records. I've not heard
the time stereo tape


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:21:35 -0400
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Commercial Jingles


  I don't know what Microsoft is using now, but about six months ago
they were using a song by the Orchestra Marrabenta de
Mozambique...title unknown, but very well sung.

I saw a commercial last night for Western Hotels (?) & they were using
James' "Born of Frustration", another favorite.

Tim


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:03:30 -0400
From: liles melissa m (mmlile@FACSTAFF.WM.EDU)
Subject: Don't ask/Lyrics and content


Twins were singing...who the hell cares...if it was the music that
moved you or spoke to you in some fashion that is what matters [the
art in part]...Considering the shit factor of most lyricists these
days, I don't think knowledge is a good thing...I think that Liz's
choice of titles is brilliant because of the ambiguity, it doesn't
dictate emotions...the lack of distinguishable wordage helps to aid
in free association...I think by not printing lyrics/singing vowel
sounds or whatever that voodoo that Liz does is post-modern in essence
vocal about neo-nazism, Christian ethics, pro-US
government/Republican/Rush Limbaugh/NRA and if I were to find out
about these alliances after I had been lulled in by their
indistinguishable lyrics and groovy music, I would ditch
them immediately, we have enough idiots in this world to contend
with...I don't want to encourage or fund them!
    mml
> while i acknowledge the relevence of motivation and background of an
> artist in appreciating the final product; i must say that almost every
> time i read lyrics or find out about a musicians personal politics, the
> music is devalued for me. maybe it's because it distracts me when i
> listen. maybe i'm a simple, shallow aeshete. maybe i just don't care.
> anyway, my vote goes to the ignorant (in every sense of the word i guess)
> lot.
> so, does this lessen my credibility? does it make me not as involved in
> the art? should i really care if liz is singing about abuse or if their
> new album is on a major label? i'd like some non-inflammatory feedback on
> this one.
> dave desarg@mail.wm.edu
>
>


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:51:15 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: ACHTUNG: only semi topical (Don't ask/Lyrics and content)


On Wed, 8 May 1996, liles reposted this bit:

> > i must say that almost every
> > time i read lyrics or find out about a musicians personal politics, the
> > music is devalued for me. maybe it's because it distracts me when i
> > listen. maybe i'm a simple, shallow aeshete. maybe i just don't care.
> > anyway, my vote goes to the ignorant (in every sense of the word i guess)
> > lot.
> > so, does this lessen my credibility? does it make me not as involved in
> > the art? should i really care if liz is singing about abuse or if their
> > new album is on a major label? i'd like some non-inflammatory feedback on
> > this one.
> > dave desarg@mail.wm.edu


        *i think what someone (bbk?) was originally arguing was something along 
he
         lines of 'hey, dont bother deciphering the twins: just enjoy
         the music'.  which is, of course, a valid attitude to take
         in relation to art.  what i was arguing in reply, however, is
         that by choosing to ignore what signs and signals the twins
         _do_ make available and quite readily/easily decipherable
         (song titles, certain words which are audible/recognisable),
         we might miss out on seeing/understanding the meaning which
         the artists meant to convey in the piece.

         now of course the meaning the artist means to convey is only
         one among any number of meanings the work makes available.
         valuing the artist's intended meaning(s) over those which
         the viewer/listener comes to on their own is a mistake.

         but isnt it also a mistake to leave the artist's intent out
         of the discussion?  as perhaps a mutually agreeable basis
         for inquiry around which other meanings may be put foreward??

         Dave disarg. speaks to the phenomenon where sometimes
         in researching an artist or piece of art we bring
         up unsavoury business which makes it impossible for us
         to enjoy the thing like we did before we knew x and y.
         quite true.  but the twins song titles, like the artwork
         on the sleeves, _can_ serve to augment the listener's understanding
         of the music, right?

         all this reminds me of an epigram from oscar wilde's intro to
         'dorian gray', which goes something like:

         art is both surface and symbol:
         those who choose to delve beneath the surface do so at their own
         peril.
         those who choose not to delve beneath the surface do so at their
         own peril.

         and then, of course, monty python

         'aw, cant i have just a little peril?'
         'no-no, its far too perilous'


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:32:10 EDT
From: "Glen T. Greenman" (102724.3265@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: No, *not* Whatever...


e wrote:

>>>Maybe we're all in the same boat and sooner or later someone who wants to
get rid of something you would love to have will simply make a note of
that fact and sell it for a reasonable price. Or at least for what it's
worth to the person who wants it most. What you're doing is frankly a
rudetease to a lot of people. You are causing some grief for your fellow
music enthusiasts and they have a right to feel slighted. Maybe what
you're doing isn't wrong, but it's quite possible that it *does* make you
a prick.<<<

Well, I don't know what it's worth, but I would like to apologize for this
fiasco I've created. Causing grief and slighting my fellow music enthusiasts was
not my intention.

>>>> They all don't have to go to the same person.

That's not what you told me. When you wrote, your stated reason for not
selling them to me was that you didn't want to break them up and wished
to sell them as a set.<<<

The problem I was having was that of the six people who originally expressed
interest in buying the CDs, five, including you, only wanted one or two of the
titles. On top of that, everyone wanted the same one or two discs. I didn't want
to sell just one or two of the CDs and then be stuck with the others. That's why
I was so interested in selling them as a set. If four different people each
wanted a different CD, that would have worked out great. Unfortunately, It
didn't happen that way. I'm sorry I was unclear on that point.

>>>My recommendation to the rest of the list is not to do business with this
person. He is a liar and will probably rip you off.<<<

I'm sorry you feel that way. So far I've sold CDs to four different people on
this list, and I'm in the process of a fifth sale at the moment. At first I was
going to include the names of my satisfied cutomers, but I deciced not to drag
them into this mess. Maybe they would like to contribute and share their stories
of how I lied to them and ripped them off. As for your recommendation that the
list not do business with me, I'll save everyone the trouble and simply never
sell CDs again.

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:44:40 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: DCD rumors


4AD has never rejected anything by Brenedan or Lisa. Brenedan decided not to
finish the record, period.

It is pretty hard to describe the new DCD record.  There are a couple of
Rakim type (brendan& lisa) songs.  But they are entirely different.

Brendan and Lisa did date for awhile.  Lisa's child is NOT from Brendan and
that is about all we should really be interested in. Heck it is their own
lives


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 07:51:12 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'/meanings...


At 1:05 AM 5/8/96, einexile the meek wrote:
>On Tue, 7 May 1996, daniel klyn wrote:
>
>> and about the 'dont ask....just enjoy' thing, does anyone else
>> find it mostly impossible to not ask; especially in relation to something
>> as important as art?
>
>I do, because it's usually either a veiled apology for said 'art'
>actually being only 'entertainment'...or a cop-out because the asshole
>just looked around his room for something with which to end a lyric...
>
>
> einexile, enemy of the people


Yawn.

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:49:16 -0500
From: Steven Szaks (gszaks@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Yet another commercial jingle ...

              Fang" at May 7, 96 09:09:40 pm

I saw this ad too!! As I remember it, it is a commercial for microsoft's
on line service.  The music reminds me of early veronica lake, or early
small factory....whatever it is, it is very "simple machines-ish"

can anyone id it?


sorry for the lack of 4ad content...
steve


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:17:44 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush and STP


> >Miki reclaimed 'For Love' from the Stone
> >Temple Addicts' 'Big Bang Whatever
>
> You know, everytime I see that video, I think, "Do they realise what they're
> doing? They have to - look how embarrassed they look when they sing that
> part". I guess they figured it was time to rip off someone new, and choosing
> one of them obscure English bands no one's heard of would be pretty safe.

  uh...i think the stp song is very retro...a friend's grandmother thought
  it was the beatles. i was thinking more like t-rex or something. lush
  really doesn't come into play. and if it matters to anyone anywhere, i like
  the new stp stuff. much more listenable than earlier recordings and a
  billion times better than pearl jam. i'll take weiland and his crazy amish
  look over greasy vedder anyday...


  the soup is ON,
  k


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:26:26 -0500
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: herd of scenic tonight


>Does this mean the next release is emminent? Are there promos racing to
>music directors in all corners of the globe? Now that would be something to
>get excited about, really, a stunning track. These questions are really
>for Brandon Capps, but this list really needs to move on from TV music

i phoned bruce a couple of weeks ago and he said that there would be a new
scenic lp and ep (i'm not sure about the ep) out this summer.

BiZ, who has a sore throat courtesy of the girl in zinc

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:40:54 +0000
From: Maximillian Medina (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: DCD rumors


Rich Holtzman wrote:

> Brendan and Lisa did date for awhile.  Lisa's child is NOT from Brendan and
> that is about all we should really be interested in. Heck it is their own
> lives

Here, here!

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:44:26 +0000
From: Maximillian Medina (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: RHP single + album info (fwd)


FROM ALT.MUSIC.4AD:

Just heard an advance of the new RHP and it's mostly acoustic, a few
rockers that I guess Ivo didn't care for but overall very much in keeping
with Ocean Beach. Three Covers: the Cars' All Mixed Up, Yes' Long Distance
Runaround (electric version) and Silly Love Songs - McCartney & Wings. The
single is gonna be All Mixed Up with Ted Nugent's Free for All and Neil
Young's Midnight by the Bay as the B-sides.

Album due out mid-July on Island

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:32:30 +0000
From: JONNY SOEPARMIN (avoh@earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: life is good, god is great


since i'm a new comer to this discussion for about 3 days, i whole
heartedly agree with einexile the meek, word up bro':)

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 17:22:02 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: MORE POLL RESULTS(was Re. Pale Saints/Opal)


Hellloooo!


1. Come on, this is answered in the FAQ...

2. That's right, I'm not going to give the answer here.
Read The FAQ, Mate.

3. It's in the FAQ

4. FAQ OFF!!!

5. anything answer to a question that says "It's in the FAQ"

Close runners-up: anything from einexile (except for when he might get off of
his high horse and seem genuinely nice, which is very, very rare) and
witty-only-in-the-eyes-of-the-sender retorts such as this.

Kudos to Jens, who has invested thousands upon thousands of person-hours
(P.C.) compiling the FAQ. Maybe some stress management/patience therapy is
now in order so that he doesn't bite heads off when questions that may be
answered in the FAQ are inevitably asked.

Biya,

Roy

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:28:27 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: tmc


>If you have the money, buy Cocteau Twins' "Victorialand" - I'm sure
you'll be entirely fascinated by it.  In my opinion, it is one of the
best albums of all time.  Also, get TMC's "Filigree and Shadow" - it's
incredibly dark and brooding; perhaps epitomizes what TMC is all about.

I think I heard Victorialand the same time I first heard Garlands; a friend
loaned me both on tape.  At the time, though, such stuff was too weird for me (I
was listening to classic rock and *some* underground).  It took me awhile to pry
open my mind (*creeeaaakkkk*) to where I could actually appreciate such
beautiful noise...

Can anyone tell me who this Caroline Crawley on TMC's "blood" is?  The credits
say she is courtesy of "Shelleyan Orphan" and the Rough Trade label.  Is
Shelleyan Orphan her original group?  Worth listening to?

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:49:31 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: WARNING: non 4AD corporate topic!!!!


> I don't know what Microsoft is using now, but about six months ago
>they were using a song by the Orchestra Marrabenta de
>Mozambique...title unknown, but very well sung.
>I saw a commercial last night for Western Hotels (?) & they were using
>James' "Born of Frustration", another favorite.


I think it was about a year ago that the big B.G. released "Bob", a software
package that was supposed to be very innovative blahblahblah (I don't remember
what it did) but the music they were playing as he was unveiling it was Tears
for Fears' "Everybody Wants to Rule the World"; a very appropriate song for Mr.
Gates, I would venture.  Looks like Bill's taste in music isn't *that* far from
our own!

Jon


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:12:07 -0500
From: "Me :)" (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Re: No, *not* Whatever...


At 10:32 AM 5/8/96 EDT, you wrote:
>e wrote:
>

>>>>My recommendation to the rest of the list is not to do business with this
>person. He is a liar and will probably rip you off.<<<
>
>I'm sorry you feel that way. So far I've sold CDs to four different people on
>this list, and I'm in the process of a fifth sale at the moment. At first I was
>going to include the names of my satisfied cutomers, but I deciced not to drag
>them into this mess. Maybe they would like to contribute and share their
stories
>of how I lied to them and ripped them off. As for your recommendation that the
>list not do business with me, I'll save everyone the trouble and simply never
>sell CDs again.
>

Listies

  I was going to voice my support for Glenn, but then i was rushed for time.
I  have bought cd's, three in fact, from Glenn....and let me say, that i was
in no way, shape, or form "ripped off".  Sure it's a tricky thing buying
cd's on the internet, but Glenn is one person that will come through with
his deal.

  I dont know about u guys, but i think if there are people out there who
would have gone through with this lottery, let them.  If you are so against
it, then , my god, dont even think about it any more.

  Thanks Glenn, tho, for the Wolfgang Press cd's, i love them all!  And let
me also add, i think i got a deal....birdwood cage(rough trade), queer(4ad
import) and a girl like u single(domestic) for 20 bucks.

  Thank you for your time.
ernesto

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 17:47:55 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: ESP what the _________?!


Hi -

Anyone heard the ESP FAMILY "Jubilee" 7" EP yet?

Icon Records (Reissue?)
PO Box 1746
Royal Oak MI 48068

Melissa - Drums
Warren - Guitar, Vocals
Matt - Bass
Recorded 1980-1994
"Summer of ESP"

Umm... don't look for "Home Is In Your Head" here.
"Jubilee" is a straight-forward (yeah, right!) Appalachian folk song - sounds
like they're playing rusty junkshop instruments on the front porch, with Ol'
Yeller lying right next to the band, paws over his ears. You can almost taste
the 'shine.
"Coal Miner" features Warren's beloved "played back on a malfunctioning
victrola" sound. The song reminds me of Pavement on a serious Palace
Brothers/Music bender. The guitars are too modern to sound as authentic as
Warren would like. The result is a hodgepodge of chunky strum and hackneyed.
This isn't to say that it's bad - it's all pretty cool, in a lazy hazy
Country Tyme lemonade commercial way.

"This World is Not My Home" has those rambling guitars again. A little Smog
feel to this one. Very catchy stuff. Deceptively complex strumming/picking
work from Warren. Can't help but think that Uncle Tupelo fans would dig this.
Hey! Watch out for the bass and drum solo section before the end. Ha!

By "Union Line", the fourth and final track, this down-home sound has gotten
a little tedious. Can we forgive Warren for ripping off "Jimmy Crack Corn/The
Bluetail Fly" for his melody? Nope.

Okay. So what's happened here? Has Warren decided to become so ornery and
contentious that he's forgotten what made HNIA work? There were signs of it
on "Mouth By Mouth", and we all chose to ignore them. Now you could sooner
stick Metallica with the "ethereal" tag than anything he's worked on (hear
the Dragon God and P D-M tapes?!?) ... I admire his production skills, but
this is truly a case of the Emperor's Clothes. When will our friend realize
that you have to wear something underneath all that studio trickery - or else
you're just left standing out in the cold with everyone laughing at how silly
you look?

On a happier note:
the Trembling Blue Stars 7" - Abba on the Jukebox - looks like the rebirth of
the great Sarah records. Shinkanshen Records' release #1 finds Bob (NPL/Field
Mice) Wratten proving that his sweet and gentle musical gifts are always
welcome. Even the most technocrazed Guerilla has to slow down sometimes. Ha!
I feel like I'm in a commercial now: "there's nothing I like better after a
long day spent gyrating to breakbeats...".

Okay. So what we have here is the quiet return of Northern Picture Library -
minus those delicious female vocals. But Bob's talents haven't deserted him,
and this is still primo string-laced pop confectionary goodness. I don't know
why this sort of thing doesn't seem outdated or treacly even now. It just
doesn't. One of those bands like Moose, who just do what they do best without
any concern for changes in the musical climate. We should be grateful. ESP
Family shows us that sometimes desperate change from record to record causes
you to lose what made you special in the first place. I'd rather hear Wratten
sing a zillion sighing odes to lost love (at least I think that's what it
is...) than Warren "Livonia Hillbilly" giving us a guided tour of the
Blueridge Mountains.

Just one Guerilla's opinion.

GuerillaG - back to the 'beatz with Plug's "Visible Crater Funk". A'ight!

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:09:19 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Area CDs


>   If you dislike them so much, just hold a fucking auction or
> set a price and make it first come first serve.
>


Or, here's a wacky idea:

sell the 4 cds at your local record shop, get store credit, buy something
you think you'd appreciate more, and fuck all the listies.  Every wo/man for
her/himself, eh?


not completely serious, but not completely joking

Strick9

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:48:02 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: LUSH promo info


>
> Since I've provided this info, could anyone tell me about the recent
> "Lovelife" and "Ciao!" UK promo CDs?  Are they digipaks?  What's on
> "Ciao!"?
>

The Lovelife promo came in a white carboard sleeve with a sticker on it
that has track listings and times and a big blue-ish picture of the band.

Ciao is a digipak and is just the one track.  The cover is the band with
shopping carts and Lush logos galore.  And it's been heavily laminated or
something so that it's REAL slick and shiny.

Strick9

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 18:16:07 -0500
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: The Infection Man!


Just wanted to ley you know that Chicago's BEST new band is playing
Thurston's this Sunday.  The Infection Man are a bunch of Collge kids
playing VERY Pixies/Beatles/Polvo-esque type music and they have to be
THE funnest band around.  They will be HUGE! soon, so check -em out while
you can....

Matt


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:11:43 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: TV & Music


Why does everyone seem to think that Bill Gates has *anything* to do
with what songs are chosen to be played in MS ads?

I mean, I know we don't but didn't it occur to anyone that Mr. Gates
has better things to do with his time than worry about what music is
playing behind his logo?

moran@hal-pc.org

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 14:24:40 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Scenic (a.k.a. SKEEENIC)


Nick wrote, regarding Bruce Licher's band Scenic...

>>Does this mean the next release is emminent? Are there promos racing to
music directors in all corners of the globe?<<

The new Scenic release, according to Mr. Licher himself, will be made widely
available this summer through a licensing deal with World Domination.

A single, on IPR, is due out any minute.

As far as promos go, this track was taken off of a World Domination/IPR promo
sampler. I assume this is being made available to radio stations.

Hope this helps...

Roy

P.S. RIBBON No. 3, featuring the first of a lengthy two-part interview with
Bruce Licher (Scenic/IPR), is out any minute (really!!!). Check out...


for more details or...contact RIBBON directly at this e-mail address.

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:06:41 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Art for art's (Christ's) sake


>
> i guess what i'm arguing is that art objects often contain cues which are
> meant to be deciphered and interpreted in a specific way.  and that by
> not getting the dictionary out, or not using whatever interprative aids are
> necessary, one might be missing quite alot. this all, of course, relies
> on the presupposition that there _is_ an artist's intent in the art
> object, and that that intent can be discerned.
>
> anyone?
>


Bravo!  I couldn't agree with you more.  I thoroughly enjoy most of my
4AD stuff, and all of my Cocteau Twins stuff.  That is just from the
listen and the superficial beauty/intensity/complexity of the music.  But
then to find out that there are layers to everything and that it's all
strung together in this complicated, dare I say intellectual, web, the
deciphering of which not only enhances my appreciation of the particular
work, but stimulates conversation and gives people a chance to express
their opinions on the work being discussed.  And isn't that, after all,
an important part of art appreciation?

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:16:24 -0400
From: Athol (ktp52952@PEGASUS.CC.UCF.EDU)
Subject: Re: Yet another commercial jingle... carnival one


On Wed, 8 May 1996, Steven Szaks wrote:

maybe you can place this one:

it's a currently running commercial for carnival cruise lines, in wich you
get to see pictures of thier boats romantically drifting through the seas,
of happy passengers, and of what not.

the song played sounds like liz frazier (of CT) might be singing, or
someone similiar to her.  very acustical sounding, it's been a while since
i saw it, but there might be a guitar being played softly as well...

i remember this line somewhat "ohh, the captain just sent us gifts" or
something...

i apologize if this band turns materializes into non-4ad material. :)

 -Athol                           -star-crossed on my face.
 -ktp52952@Pegasus.cc.ucf.edu     -http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~ktp52952

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:46:17 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: 5 Ways of disapearing..


On Mon, 6 May 1996, Matthew T De Bellis wrote:

> Isn't that Pale Saints song "Blue Flower"?  Maybe I'm wrong.  You're
> right...I like "Kinky Love" a lot...too bad it's not an original.
> Speaking of pale saints, what ever happened to them???
>

Actually I looked today, and the Opal song that Pale Saints recorded (the
one I was referring to) was Fell From the Sun from The Comforts of Madness.

I don't know who wrote Blue Flower.  I know that Mazzy Star also did a
version of it.  But I have no idea who wrote it or originally recorded
it.  Does anyone know?

By the way, my copy of ...and Dog Bones, too (and probably many other
people's) lists Blue Flower as one of the tracks, but the track is really
a different song from In Ribbons.  Which sux because I love Blue Flower
and it's not on the 4AD version of the album.  I gave away my domestic
copy when I got the 4AD copy, unaware that Blue Flower wasn't on it.  Now
the only copy of Blue Flower I have is on the AVAM video.  Is Blue Flower
on the Throwing Back the Apple ep?  That's the only ep I don't have.

As for what's up with Pale Saints?  *shrug*  Maybe they'll record a new
album?  I know that Ian is now part of the ESP Family that worked on the
new His Name is Alive album (and the track he sings is phenomenal), but I
don't know about the rest of the band.  Any PS maniacs out there with any
info??

Strick9

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All is fair in love they say           |        I could close my eyes and be
                        Liars! Liars!  |     Someplace better
I found only easily                    |         Fairy tales and fantasy
                        Love is cruel  |     That's the world . . .   for me.

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                                           beswick@scf.usc.edu

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:30:08 +1000
From: Matthew Kirkcaldie (matthewk@POSTOFFICE.UTAS.EDU.AU)
Subject: Kookaburra saga


e's indulgence:

>Allow me to be blunt. The Australian got pissed off that no one knew about
>his national bird, and saw fit to insult Blubelknol in an attempt at
>vengeance. And you are defending him out of sheer ignorance. :)

For someone who gets inordinately pissed off at people misattributing
motives to yourself, you seem to do it to others with a remarkable
facility.  My original comment simply noted a surprising lack of knowledge
- the kookaburra is neither a national bird, nor of any importance to me.
There are no wolverines, moose, grizzly bears or prairie dogs found in
Australia, but I know what they all are.  It just seemed ironic that
"Kookaburra" was picked as an example of obscure CT titles, when in fact
it's one of the few that can be easily sourced.  Even a great spangled
fritillary is a butterfly!

On subjects of genuine interest to 4AD-L, does anyone agree that the
Lovelife version of Lush's "Childcatcher" is a sad, pale echo of the
frenzied glory on AVAM?  What a sell.

                Bye now,

                        Matthew.
                (with no vested interests in kingfishers, only knowledge)


Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:19:53 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: PALE SAINTS/OPAL


>
> That's right, I'm not going to give the answer here.
> Read The FAQ, Mate.
>


Well, I thought I'd be a party pooper and just copy what the FAQ says:

 It was originally done in the '70s by the band Slapp Happy, written by
Peter Blegvad and
Anthony Moore. Julian Lawton writes: "Peter Blegvad is currently a
cartoonist on the Independent
On Sunday (Leviathan) - he also did solo stuff with Andy Partridge of
XTC. Moore also worked as
part of Faust's floating line up (or was it Amon Duul) and I think both
were in Henry Cow, as well
as Slaphappy. The one time I saw a Slaphappy LP it was very expensively
priced in a collectors
shop!!!"
                        ------------------------------

This is direct from Jens' homepage.

Quite impressive Jens, although it took about 7 tries for me to finally
connect. ;)

Strick9

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 23:13:53 +0000
From: Jamin Suwandi (jamin@VIVID.NET)
Subject: Re: Lush and STP


Part of the song sounds like "Jumpin'Jack Flash"

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 19:19:26 -0700
From: jeremy redman (jredman@UCI.EDU)
Subject: KCRW live stuff


[why am i suddenly recieving the digest form of the list in 2 sections/
emails? the 2nd always having no subject and just randomly starting
somewhere after the first leaves off.]

anyways... Rich Holtzman  wrote about Brendan Perry:

  You do however have a feel for what he was doing solo through
  songs like American Dreaming.  KCRW "Rare on Air" features a live
  Brendan solo song.

speaking of KCRW, a year maybe 2 ago, Lisa Gerrard was on, doing solo
stuff, way before her solo album was out.  I believe she played something
like 4 songs.  I recall really being impressed with the last song.  My
girlfriend taped the show, but subsequently taped over or lost the tape.
 I was wondering if anyone had a copy and would be willing to copy it for
me?  please email me if it's possible...

also, i haven't seen it metioned on the list since i've been subscribed,
but a month ago i bought this cd, The Adventure Club Sessions.  has
acoustic tracks by lots of bands on it:  HNIA, Frank Black, James,
Frazier Chorus, Trash Can Sinatras, Posies, Suede, Lemonheads, bunch
more.  it's a charity cd for 94.5 the edge in Texas, limited to 4000.
the quality is pretty good for the most part, some of the tracking is off
and there is some not-so-great recording on a couple of the songs (James
in particular, which is a shame).  i forget the url of the place i
ordered it from, but if anyone's interested, i can try to track it down
again.

--
jeremy redman      "peace in a world free from religion,
 jredman@uci.edu     peace in a world where everyone gets heaven."
                      - Toni Halliday

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:15:01 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: tmc


>Can anyone tell me who this Caroline Crawley on TMC's "blood" is?  The credits
>say she is courtesy of "Shelleyan Orphan" and the Rough Trade label.  Is
>Shelleyan Orphan her original group?  Worth listening to?

Ohhh.... "worth listening to" is the understatement of the year.  Shelleyan
Orphan is quite possibly one of the most beautiful and innovative bands ever
to have graced the planet.  One of the few that I've spent time looking for
all the singles and eps for because it's all _amazing_.  I'm still sad that
I'll never be able to see them live (especially when no-brained assholes for
the last Cure tour were heckling them the whole time when they opened).

As long as I'm at it, does anyone have a copy of either of the two comps
they appeared on?  If so, would you like to sell them, or even make me a
tape (o please o please o please)?

Jake

Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:48:00 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: The soup is ON / seeing Bill


The Swirlies once again rocked my world last night.
There's something about seeing a band three times in four days
that brings you closer to them. I don't know all the other tour
dates but they said they're playing in Berkeley tonight,
then they continue up the coast for shows in Eugene and Seattle,
and I think they mentioned another around there. From there I'm
not sure where they go. Probably across the northern US back
to Boston. I'll try to get dates from the label and report them
here. And wasn't there a Swirlies Web Page mentioned here
several months ago?

They did some of the finest (and loudest) noise-pop I have ever seen,
and unlike the Pomona and No Life shows they (mainly Damon) were
joking around constantly and throwing out silly phrases between
songs, calling their music "strictly East coast sneaky flute music".
The best moment was when Damon and Christina both simultaneously
jumped at the start of Tall Ships to get into the first noiseblast
chord, and this really cracked up Damon. Then they both did a silly
rock pose in front of the drummer, back to the audience, and Christina
did a few exaggerated moves on her guitar while grinning at herself.
The amount of noise they were able to get was just amazing! Not being
a musician myself I don't know whatall they had, but there were loads
of pedals and huge PA's so maybe it was just a matter of turning
everything up loud. I loved the trick of playing a hand-held tape
player through one's guitar pickup. Oh, and if you are lucky
enough to see them, be sure to pick up a poster. It's a totally
hilarious shot (in the CD booklet too) of Damon(?) leaning out
a car window in the snow spraying flames from some sort of aerosol can,
with an incredulous look on his face. It just doesn't get any
better than this!

Bill Nelson was really good. Although I'm not too thrilled with
his newer stuff (he's now on Caroline and has a brand new album),
it was wonderful to see this guy I've been following for ages
and hear *that voice* live. He's one amazing guitar player too.
He mentioned he'd had 28 guitars at one point, but had to sell
them to help his financial matters, so now he's down to only 6 or so.
There was quite a turnout too, everyone there with ancient
Be Bop Deluxe and Red Noise stuff... I had no idea he had such
a following, and I figured I'd be one of a dozen people there.
His newer material is kinda funky/worldy/techno-y with prominent
lead guitar, and it's good for what it is, but it's not exactly my
style. Give me the electronic wizardry/ sci-fi punk of his
1979-1986 days anytime over this. Still he's worth checking out,
if only to find out about one of the great unknown, yet famous
(in certain circles) guitar/electronic legends.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:25:38 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: REMOVE MY NAME FROM LIST!!!!!!!


...jennifer said that we've change; she said we were talking so strange...
...and then she got pissed turned her head and hissed--

>Please remove my name and address from your most annoying mailing >list!

Why in kookaburra's name would you want to leave this wonderwall list?

Either way it's your choice I suppose.
 Just send each list member $10, and hope that one of us tells you how to
unsub. :)

jason

srilank@aol.com


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