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Subject: Area CDs
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 00:54:04 EDT
From: "Glen T. Greenman" (102724.3265@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 01:12:35 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: ANSWERING for CODEINE and PALE SAINTS
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 01:36:46 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Kookaburra
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:41:03 +1000
From: Matthew Kirkcaldie (matthewk@POSTOFFICE.UTAS.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: Kookaburra
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 00:38:31 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Velour 100
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 00:38:26 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:11:15 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: LUSH promo info
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:44:55 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Kookaburra
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 02:34:12 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: MOMMY WHATS' A ARK LARK ?
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 02:04:55 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Ignorance is bliss?
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:39:44 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: LUSH promo info
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:11:56 +0100
From: GRANSTROEM PETER (L95_GRR@L.KTH.SE)
Subject: Kim Deal/KoD
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 06:45:59 -0400
From: naranjas en la cabeza (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Frank Black the whore with opinions about the Cocteau Twins...
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:58:32 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: wonderwall
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 08:30:18 -0400
From: John Mcintyre (MCINTYRE@PA.MSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kookaburra
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:01:07 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal/KoD
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:48:40 -0400
From: Deb (indigo@CLARK.NET)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal/KoD
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:08:39 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'/meanings...
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 08:50:48 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: The great Area lottery
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:56:55 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: kim deal fell off the wonderwall into the oasis
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:29:39 EDT
From: "Scott Davies (295-7039)" (sdavies@VNET.IBM.COM)
Subject: Re: Area CDs
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 08:19:05 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: John Peel/Portishead Q
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:48:56 -0400
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: DCD short review
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:33:04 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: DEAD CAN DANCE
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:35:58 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: LUSH promo info
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:33:02 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: DEAD CAN DANCE
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:34:09 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:44:37 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: DEAD CAN DANCE
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:55:33 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: wonderwall
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:24:31 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'/meanings...
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:26:22 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:39:40 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kookaburra
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:23:15 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: STP-Cleveland
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:22:19 -0400
From: Tim Nekuza (ff417@cleveland.Freenet.Edu)
Subject: keek!
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:09:19 -0500
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: This-is-whot-a-briar-is...see?
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:04:21 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Pale Saints
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:24:20 -0500
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: hey hey helen literary fanzine
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 15:06:15 -0400
From: Lush Muse (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'/meanings...
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:41:42 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Inuit words
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:24:38 -0400
From: liles melissa m (mmlile@FACSTAFF.WM.EDU)
Subject: Reminders
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:56:48 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Area CDs
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:12:31 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: STP-Cleveland
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:39:07 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall/ignorance and kookaburras
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 22:11:05 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: keek! or Kwi-Kway(g) ???
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:48:12 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: PALE SAINTS/OPAL
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 22:00:35 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: don't ask, just enjoy
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:16:02 -0400
From: captain dave (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: nothing good on volume
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:22:04 -0400
From: captain dave (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Chicago Lush Ticket Anyone?
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:44:19 -0500
From: "Dominic M. Tolli" (tolli@UKRAINE.CORP.MOT.COM)
Subject: Kookaburra
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 08:58:23 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: PALE SAINTS/OPAL
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:59:42 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: PALE SAINTS/OPAL
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:35:29 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Kookaburra
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:08:16 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: The Great Area Scam
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:13:14 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Lush interview
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 21:02:01 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Minneapolis: Stereolab and StP shows...
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:40:12 -0500
From: Young Grasshopper (DECLERCA@CARLETON.EDU)
Subject: Hyperium's Anchorage & "New Classics"
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:58:14 GMT
From: Lord Purge (scottyt@UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: Yet another commercial jingle ...
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 21:09:40 -0500
From: "Steven S. Fang" (Meursault@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: PALE SAINTS/OPAL
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:46:22 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: DCD short review
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 22:58:12 +0000
From: Jamin Suwandi (jamin@VIVID.NET)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'/meanings...
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 22:51:58 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 00:54:04 EDT
From: "Glen T. Greenman" (102724.3265@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Area CDs


>From SexDwarf!, or Strick9, or whatever:

>>>So, what you're saying is if you hold this lottery and, say, 20  people
are interested, you get *20* checks or money orders for $10 PLUS $3
shipping/handling from the one "lucky" winner.<<<

        Everyone keeps saying this. Where are these 20 or 25 people who want to
enter? Out of the 389 members of this list, I've have NO ONE express an interest
in this lottery idea. I've had a few say it was an interesting idea, and some
others say I was being extremely greedy, in somewhat less than polite terms. So
where am I going to get this $200-250 everyone keeps talking about?
        Furthermore, why is it that no one seems to have the ability to read the
following paragraph in which I said I would REDUCE the entry price if demand was
high? So much for being greedy.
        And what if I set the entry price at $1.00 per chance, and all 388
members of the list (except me, of course) bought 1 chance each? I'd still make
a killing, even those the risk to each individual was greatly reduced. Is that
the problem- I set the price too high?

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 01:12:35 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'


george harrison did muzik for the film wonderwall. many view this as the
first sign of the beatles even thinking of breaking away artistically.
george was very much influenced by eastern sounds. many of his beatles
songs show these influences. i think oasis is referring to wonderwall as
that whole shaky period with the beatles. wonderwall was kind of an escape
for harrison to express himself without bringing the whole band into
it. it's like some relationships. you can express yourself so well to
someone, but you still have hang-ups with previous relationships and
what-not. we all know that oasis uses plenty of beatles references and
this is yet another. however, this is all my way of reading the song and
there could be very well others and others that fit better.

jimbolaya
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star vein @ http://www.science.wayne.edu/~jrenaud/
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On Mon, 6 May 1996, Scott Davies (295-7039) wrote:

> ok, so this is off topic... what does *wonderwall* refer to, as in
> the Oasis, George Harrison, and Icehouse musik...
>
> just figured some of you groovy folks might know... you can reply to
> me personally if this is too off topic fer ya
>
> back to lurking. Oh and thank all you wonderfull people to turning me on
> to hal hartley movies - they really are life altering!
>


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 01:36:46 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: ANSWERING for CODEINE and PALE SAINTS


codeine has been on hiatus for some while. one member of codeine is now in
an excellent mother fucking band mentioned by me a lot lately...

                             TORTOISE

i hope people start buying their records. i would suggest it to people who
liked any of the bands that the members have come from... john mcentire,
rodan, rachel's, codeine, and others... if you like stereolab, labradford,
and any of the chicago jazz rockers... check em out live... they are
intoxicating. they were almost as intoxicating as low. if you like
codeine, check out vernon yard recording artists low. they are like slow
red house painter songs with a female harmony, like codeine but not as
dusty, like michael nyman if he was born twenty years later with a craving
for guitars.


the pale saints are broken up. ian has been working with his name is
alive's warren defever... they call themselves ESP SUMMER. they will
release a full length in june on perdition plastics. it will include all
the seven inches on time stereo and some newer stuff unreleased. i asked
warren if they will play out and he said he would doubt it considering
that in june, his name is alive will be his top priority.


anyway, i hope i could clear some stuff up.
jim
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star vein web-zine @ http://science.wayne.edu/~jrenaud/
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:41:03 +1000
From: Matthew Kirkcaldie (matthewk@POSTOFFICE.UTAS.EDU.AU)
Subject: Kookaburra


>It's like asking "what the hell is a Kookaburra???"  don't ask....just enjoy
>~blubelknol@aol.com

It's an Australian bird with a distinctive "laugh" call.  Is this a joke,
or ignorance?  Perhaps just too subtle for me.

There are several Australian aboriginal words used on 4AD releases -
kookaburra, barramundi, boomerang ... can anyone add to these?  I'm sure
there's more.

                        Matthew.

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 00:38:31 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Kookaburra


On Tue, 7 May 1996, Matthew Kirkcaldie wrote:

> >It's like asking "what the hell is a Kookaburra???"  don't ask....just enjoy
> >~blubelknol@aol.com
>
> It's an Australian bird with a distinctive "laugh" call.  Is this a joke,
> or ignorance?  Perhaps just too subtle for me.

I'm not sure it's possible to be ignorant simply by failing to know about
a famous Australian bird. I'd go with the subtlety thing if I were you.

> There are several Australian aboriginal words used on 4AD releases -
> kookaburra, barramundi, boomerang ... can anyone add to these?  I'm sure
> there's more.

I think oomingmak originated in Australia. Perhaps you can confirm this?



 e


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 00:38:26 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Velour 100


Well, against my better judgement, I took the listie's advice and went to
a religious bookstore to look for the Velour CD, and I did find it.  It's
not entirely Windy& Carl/FSA-type swirly stuff.  In fact, that's only
about 1/5 of the CD.  The rest is nice, quiet-ish acoustic reverb
guitar-driven somber pop (some upbeat/loud songs) with pretty vocals that
strike me as somehow insincere or limited.  Maybe repetitive / patterned.
Recorded by Warren Defever.  The reverb layering does sound like his work,
but the guitar sounds don't particularly... the drums only sometimes do. I
haven't caught onto the part that makes this a "christian" CD ye.

The store was Evangel in Bellevue, WA (near Rubato).  They only had one,
and one cassette.  I think there's another Evangel in Issaquah.  Bastards
charged me $16 for the disc... I've never paid that much for a domestic
CD, much less a domestic, local, indie-release CD.  Oh, well.  If that's
what I had to do to get it...

I found Pizzicato Five Bossanova 2001 at tower.  :-D

Mike

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:11:15 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'


>On Mon, 6 May 1996, Scott Davies (295-7039) wrote:
>
>> ok, so this is off topic... what does *wonderwall* refer to

Not sure, but there's a Wonderwall in the novel; "Pollen" by Jeff Noon.

The novel, published a year or two ago, is set in a weird futuristic
Manchester (home of Oasis...), and the Wonderwall is a forcefield that
separates the zombies from the norms in a bar...

A must read, as is Jeff Noon's first novel, Vurt!


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:44:55 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: LUSH promo info


>could anyone tell me about the recent
>"Lovelife" and "Ciao!" UK promo CDs?  Are they digipaks?  What's on
>"Ciao!"?

'Lovelife (Sampled)' LUSH 5 CD
1. Single Girl
2. I've Been Here Before
3. 500
4. Last Night (Steve Osborne Mix)


'Ciao!' LUSH 7 CD
1. Ciao!

Both come in a cardboard sleeve ('slipcase'). Unique design on both.

Frank

+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 02:34:12 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kookaburra

              Tue, 7 May 1996 00:38:31 -0700

>   On Tue, 7 May 1996, Matthew Kirkcaldie wrote:
>
>   > >It's like asking "what the hell is a Kookaburra???"
>   don't ask....just enjoy
>   > >~blubelknol@aol.com
>   >
>   > It's an Australian bird with a distinctive "laugh"
>   call.  Is this a joke,
>   > or ignorance?  Perhaps just too subtle for me.
>
>   I'm not sure it's possible to be ignorant simply by
>   failing to know about a famous Australian bird. I'd go
>   with the subtlety thing if I were you.

Well, e, i have to disagree here.  Ignorant *does* mean lacking knowledge (in
general OR of a specific datum).  But your redeem yourself with the
exceptionally good definition of "wonderwall."

>   It's a Welsh term for 'dental dam'.

-cz ... laugh kookaburra, laugh kookaburra ...


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 02:04:55 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: MOMMY WHATS' A ARK LARK ?


On Tue, 7 May 1996, cz wrote:

> >   > It's an Australian bird with a distinctive "laugh"
> >   call.  Is this a joke,
> >   > or ignorance?  Perhaps just too subtle for me.

> Well, e, i have to disagree here.  Ignorant *does* mean lacking knowledge (in
> general OR of a specific datum).

But since a statement cannot be ignorance *itself*, as was the literal
meaning of the above, I am assuming that the intended, veiled, meaning is
that the original statement was *attributable* to ignorance. Now, if I
say your not understanding fluid dynamics is to be blamed on ignorance,
obviously I am not referring to your ignorance of that particular
subject. That would have already been established. I am implying a more
general ignorance.

Allow me to be blunt. The Australian got pissed off that no one knew about
his national bird, and saw fit to insult Blubelknol in an attempt at
vengeance. And you are defending him out of sheer ignorance. :)

Thank you for the wonderwall compliment. Anything to steal a little magic
from that horrible, slobbering song. First album rocked, second album is
a pile of shit including the title. I don't know how anyone can stand them.


 e

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:39:44 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Ignorance is bliss?


>> Well, e, i have to disagree here.  Ignorant *does* mean lacking
>> knowledge (in general OR of a specific datum).

"Ignorance is Strength" - Big Brother, 1984




Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:11:56 +0100
From: GRANSTROEM PETER (L95_GRR@L.KTH.SE)
Subject: Re: LUSH promo info


As far as I know, there are no "lovelife" UK promoCD, the only one
I ve heard of was issued in USA. The "Ciao!" UK promoCD are issued in
digipak, "Ciao!" being the only track on it. ;(

/Peter


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 06:45:59 -0400
From: naranjas en la cabeza (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Kim Deal/KoD


>>You really have to wonder about the things Kim Deal says sometimes. She
>>recently said there was a guy she wanted to play bass for the Amps, but then
>>she found out he was a "flaaaaaaming homosexual" and that supposedly put her
>>off the idea.
>
>No, the idea wasn't put off because he was a homosexual...  she just
>mentioned that the guy she thought would have been the bass player was a
>flaming queen.  He was a relative to the band and he was just playing the
>bass for that one night.

She still seemed to have a problem with it, as if it disqualified him from
being a decent player or something. I mean, so what if he's gay - big deal
(if you'll pardon the pun).

>My two favorite Kitchens records are 'Strange Free World' and 'Death of
>Cool'.

Those are my faves too. Over the weekend I noticed an ad for a Jenn-Air
designer 'Kitchen of Distinction'...pretty weird to see that


Larry


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:58:32 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Frank Black the whore with opinions about the Cocteau Twins...


Spent the bank holiday in Skeggie with every other resident of
Leicester, after a draining week teaching C++ to people at British Gas
Research, so I haven't read any e-mail for about a week and a half.  I
have just processed the cocteaus list mail, mainly by pressing the 'd'
key - time to unsubscribe from that one, I think.

 Arthur Chan  wrote on Thu, 2 May 1996
 (Subject: COCTEAU STUFF)
 > I just saw the cocteau twins latest UK single in 2 CD digipacks.
 > It costs A$15 each.  ARE these single(s) avaliable in vinyl? Do you
 > think it's worth $30 for the 2 CDs singles? They have 2 tracks in
 > each that are NOT in the new album.  Anyone want it? trade/buy?
 > email me quick.

Ignore e's objections (see below) - the Twins are back at full strength,
and these singles are well worth getting.  I wish, however:

a) That they had put out the 4 B-sides as a single non-album EP
b) That they weren't putting out tracks on compilations - as I
suspected, "Circling Girl" is great but there's nothing else on that
edition of "Volume" which is very interesting, I can't be bothered to
spend money on the Judge Dredd soundtrack, and they are supposedly
putting another exclusive track on a compilation soon - can't remember
the details.  I wouldn't object if these were *good* compilations, but
the Cocteaus stand out like diamonds in a sea of shit on "Volume".

 einexile the meek  wrote on Tue, 30 Apr 1996
 (Subject: no opinion)
 >
 > Cocteau Twins - Milk y Kisses
 > -----------------------------
 > Great album cover, but the music is kind of shitty.

My thoughts exactly, but in reverse.  The cover is just a blurry blobby
"hey, let's rip off Vaughan Oliver circa 1987" thing, the music is A-1
(well, perhaps not quite A-1, but certainly as good as "Bluebell Knoll"
and miles better than anything since).

 > I blow the artwork out of proportion because there is a Back To The
 > Good Old Days theme here, and it's not working.  I didn't say this
 > when Tishbite came out--or maybe I did but was nice about it,
 > because I wanted to wait for the album--but this is all a big
 > sellout, and we're not supposed to notice because we are the ones
 > the band has sold out to.  It doesn't work.  The music is phony and
 > hollow.  It doesn't want to be trapped in this regulation Cocteaux
 > Sound cage they've stuck it in.  Not that it deserves better but
 > it's wrong here.  They've forced the wrong stuff into the wrong
 > box, or maybe the reverse.  There's no mistaking that the fault
 > lies with the poor songwriting; the album has about two "moments",
 > which inhabit the first two songs; the rest is cliche after
 > convention after stereotype and it doesn't really let up.

I think it actually sounds fresher than they have done for ages - the
album which really sounds stale and cliched to me is HoLV (for which
opinion I'll probably be subjected to abuse - it seems to be one of the
favourites of most people).  I felt compelled to make a tape of this
album so I could listen to it while walking about, which is more than I
can say for most recent Cocteaus product.  I get home in the evening
sometimes looking forward to listening to it, which *never* happened
with FCC.  I don't think it's a radical leap forward into the
twenty-first century, but it's a fine traditional-style Cocteaus
album.

 > I think they *were* doing what they wanted, back in 1993; they put
 > out a pretty weak album which was nevertheless honest and
 > passionate...and we pissed all over it.  So we're getting what we
 > deserve, aren't we? This comeuppance builds to something
 > approaching actual torture as the album draws to a close, where
 > Seekers Who Are Lovers teases at gorgeous washed with hints of
 > Medusa, only to build into an overlush cacophony that is one of the
 > ugliest spectacles in recent memory.  We said we'd lost them, but
 > we were lying and we knew it and we were just being bitter and
 > mean, and now thanks to that behavior we have in Milk and Kisses
 > the album we pretended Four Calendar Cafe was.

I listened to FCC a couple of times last week, and there is hardly any
of that album which does anything for me, other than make me wince
occasionally.  I get the impression from M&K that the band are still a
little bit wobbly, but basically they are back on form - the lyrics
which are comprehensible are fairly silly standard inoffensive
"alternative" stuff (rather than embarrassing psychobabble), which don't
jar on the ear.  Liz is singing better than she has done recently, the
music is good, the sun is shining, I wish I was back in Chapel St
Leonards.

 Jens Alfke  wrote on Mon, 29 Apr 1996
 (Subject: Quick reviewlets)
 >
 > Cocteau Twins "Tishbite" EP #2 (Fontana) "Tishbite" is fairly
 > forgettable, with a lot less instrumentation than I'd expect from
 > the Masters Of Overproduction -- you get a guitar line, a bassline
 > (plucked not strummed!), vocals, and the usual beatbox.  "Round"
 > sounds more like traditional Cocteaux, but is rather by-the-numbers
 > and I didn't really warm to it.  Moreover it demonstrates that they
 > _still_ have problems figuring out how to end songs.  But! "An
 > Elan" is extremely cool, one of the best things I've heard from
 > them in ages and ages, and an indication that they "get" the whole
 > ambient/drone thang that's been going on, even without Mark
 > Clifford's help.  The first half is built of a single tapping beat,
 > a single strummed Guthriestyle chord, and some subdued Liz vocals.
 > Very hypnotic.  It then slowly builds into one of those patented
 > Cocteau Twins gorgeous climaxes -- this is one of the few songs
 > I've heard from them in the last, oh, seven years or so that really
 > makes the hairs stand up on the back of my neck.  Glorious
 > feeling.

Jens is right, e is wrong (am I being too subjective here?).  This EP is
the better of the two, but even the first one (yellow cover rather than
blue) has two good non-album songs on it.  I can't work out why "An
Elan" didn't make it onto the album.

 "Dominic M. Tolli"  wrote on Fri, 3 May 1996
 (Subject: Whore Rankings)
 > The Ex-Lion Tamers (they must be a cover band)

Aren't these the lot who used to do the whole of "Pink Flag" as their
set, and who Wire hired as support act once, to stop people shouting for
the old stuff during their own set?

 > Transformer--Outdoor Miner (yet another version--can anything top
 > the FSA take on this tune?)

Lush's was pretty good.  I can't explain why this is one of the best
songs ever written, but it is.

 > More on that Bark Psychosis version--

It's crap (oops, subjectivity!).  IMHHHO, of course.  They are taking
the piss, and they more or less admit it in the sleevenotes.

 "Booth, Giles"  wrote on Tue, 30 Apr 1996
 (Subject: Frank Black - what's the deal?)
 >
 > So what's the received wisdom about Frank on the list? Is he beyond
 > the pale? Am I going to be flamed for even mentioning him? I loved
 > 'Frank Black' and 'Teenager...' to bits, two horribly under-rated
 > albums...  I can't make up my mind about 'The Cult of Ray' - the
 > naff sleeve puts me off too much, but I saw him at the Shepherd's
 > Bush Empire in London last year, and he was truly wonderful.  Esp.
 > 'Do the Jaques Tati'...

I really can't figure out what's going on in his mind - he must surely
realise that the abominable cover on that last album will drive off  old
fans and won't attract new ones, the music is tame AOR mush... and I
really liked "Teenager", too.  Fortunately, people suffering Pixies
withdrawal symptoms can buy the Auteurs' new album (see below).
Actually that's pushing it a bit, but it is a *very* fine collection of
songs about murdering children, drinking till you are sick and setting
fire to aircraft.  With a cello and the filthiest organ sound you will
ever hear.


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 07/05/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
The Auteurs - After Murder Park

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 08:30:18 -0400
From: John Mcintyre (MCINTYRE@PA.MSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: wonderwall


On Mon, 6 May 1996, Scott Davies (295-7039) wrote:

> ok, so this is off topic... what does *wonderwall* refer to, as in
> the Oasis, George Harrison, and Icehouse musik...

I don't know about Harrison and Icehouse, but I did hear an interview
with the guy from Oasis in which he confessed that he was referencing
the Harrison album.  He was writing the song and got up to "After all,
you're my..." and realized he needed three syllables that rhymed with
"all".  Looking around his room he spotted the Harrison album and
decided to go with "Wonderwall", figuring the album was so obscure
nobody would recognize his source.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
mcintyre@pa.msu.edu


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:01:07 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kookaburra


On Tue, 7 May 1996, Matthew Kirkcaldie wrote:
>
> There are several Australian aboriginal words used on 4AD releases -
> kookaburra, barramundi, boomerang ... can anyone add to these?  I'm sure
> there's more.

        *kangaroo???

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:48:40 -0400
From: Deb (indigo@CLARK.NET)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal/KoD


On Tue, 7 May 1996, naranjas en la cabeza wrote:

> She still seemed to have a problem with it, as if it disqualified him from
> being a decent player or something. I mean, so what if he's gay - big deal
> (if you'll pardon the pun).

Apparently that is not the case, since the Breeders ended up with a gay bass
player (Jo Wiggs) anyway.

--
Deb  \\  indigo@clark.net  \\  http://www.clark.net/pub/indigo

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:08:39 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal/KoD


On Tue, 7 May 1996, naranjas en la cabeza wrote:
>
> Those are my faves too. Over the weekend I noticed an ad for a Jenn-Air
> designer 'Kitchen of Distinction'...pretty weird to see that
>


        While in ireland last year i saw a storewindow which had
        Kitchens Of Distinction emblazoned across it. it was
        _obviously_ a kitchen store. i think it may be a chain
        in the UK.  any uk listies help out here??

        dank


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 08:50:48 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'/meanings...


On Mon, 6 May 1996 BluBelKnol@AOL.COM wrote:

>
> It's like asking "what the hell is a Kookaburra???"  don't ask....just enjoy
> it.  either that or go to alt.music.oasis and ask..... as heileson stated...i
> think Oasis is a bit off-topic here.
>


a kookaburra is a bird, and an amazingly beautiful one at that. sortof
like a kingfisher, but with metallic/sharkskinesque colors like turquoise
and gold and pink.  i saw one in the zoo in phoenix park, dublin.

and about the 'dont ask....just enjoy' thing, does anyone else
find it mostly impossible to not ask; especially in relation to something
as important as art?  i've always been quite actively interested in
deciphering the titles of cocteaux songs, as being the only clues to
interpretation one can really have any certainty about. the only place
where words are fixed.  like victorialand, for example.  the title of the
album, when coupled with the song titles (oomingmak is eskimo for a
certain animal/blush to the snow/ the dark months)  lets one in on a set
of images (antarctica) which enhances the experience of the album. this
might otherwise be difficult to ascertain without song titles to tie
stuff together.

i guess what i'm arguing is that art objects often contain cues which are
meant to be deciphered and interpreted in a specific way.  and that by
not getting the dictionary out, or not using whatever interprative aids are
necessary, one might be missing quite alot. this all, of course, relies
on the presupposition that there _is_ an artist's intent in the art
object, and that that intent can be discerned.

anyone?

dan k

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:56:55 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: The great Area lottery


Hey guys I'm going to send  a check to that guy and hopefully win his
little lottery.

And he'll get loads of money...... be happy, and stop flaming me.

later

Artc

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:29:39 EDT
From: "Scott Davies (295-7039)" (sdavies@VNET.IBM.COM)
Subject: kim deal fell off the wonderwall into the oasis


OK, so i've been properly scolded for querying a reference in a song that
has not apparent 4ad connection, BUT

  - all things are related to kim deal (as i read here)

  - Kim Deal's politikal korrektness came into question yesterday

  - I know the meaning of 'Just like a Briar', one of the songs on Tipp City.
    (i also know tipp city, but that's another story)

    *briar* is a rather derogatory term that *sophisticated* folks from Ohio
    (those that made past 9th grade) use to describe those people and their
    offspring who migrated north to the industrial Ohio cities such as
    Dayton from the rural poverty-stricken states such as Kentucky and West
    Virginia. I believe that *briar* come from *br'er rabbit* the Uncle Remus
    story. It is in all-too common usage in the Cinncinnati-Dayton area.

I hope that my addition to the body of knowledge of all things 4ad redeems me
for my breach of topicness yesterday. a 'welsh word for a dental damn'?


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 08:19:05 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Area CDs


>         Furthermore, why is it that no one seems to have the ability to read t
e
> following paragraph in which I said I would REDUCE the entry price if demand w
s
> high? So much for being greedy.

Okay, we're sorry.  You weren't greedy; just stupid.

>         And what if I set the entry price at $1.00 per chance, and all 388
> members of the list (except me, of course) bought 1 chance each? I'd still mak

> a killing, even those the risk to each individual was greatly reduced. Is that
> the problem- I set the price too high?

Absolutely.  You say you expected 6 people to take part in the
lottery.  So while one person got the bargain of 4 CDs for $10, the
other five would be FUCKED out of $10 each.  Why should these people
spend that much money to get nothing in return?  Do you *really* think
that, faced with that proposition, you would take part in such a
lottery?  I doubt it.

And there are other things about the way you've tried to deal with
this that bugs me.  What makes you think that you're so special that
you shouldn't have to take a monetary loss on these things?  If you
buy a CD, and you don't like it, then you should expect to take a
loss.  If you sell over the net, consider yourself lucky to get more
than you would get at your local used cd shop.  If you have an
auction, sometimes you can get more than you even paid for it; it
just depends, but don't expect it.  And what's with the insistence
that they all go to the same person?

Basically, you sound like you want to get rid of the cds while making
back at least what you paid for them and putting little or no effort
into it.  If you dislike them so much, just hold a fucking auction or
set a price and make it first come first serve.

just bitching a little
moran@hal-pc.org
>
>


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:48:56 -0400
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: John Peel/Portishead Q


A few years back I used to be into the 'completist' thing and was
not happy if even a 'Peel Sessions' recording of an admired band was
outstanding.  There used to be quite a good record shop opposite this
university which used to stock all the latest Peel Sessions.  Since
this shop closed down a few years back, I have not seen any new PS's.
Is John Peel still releasing them and if his Radio 1 show is still
around, what kind of music is he playing these days.

A few weeks ago I saw a music show from the UK on television over here
called The White Room (its format is very similar to that of the
Joolz Holland Show).  The programme in question had Portishead
performing two of their compositions.  The first number was from
Dummy, but I had not heard the second track before.  If I can remember
correctly it had the line, "...something has taken hold of me..." (or
something like that) repeated a few times.  Not having any of the CD
singles and their Web page at Go Discs being very uninformative, can
anyone help me out with a name for this track?

neil

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:33:04 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: DCD short review


>I'm curious: Is the album percussive in kind of an asskicking Mother
>Tongue sort of way or in a fartsy sort of way like on the LG solo album?
>(Not that I have anything against that.) And how long is the album, with
>only eight songs?

Some kick ass, some seems a little mechanical.
The total record playingtime is 58:51 min's.
The promo CD arrived today (CAD 6008 CD P).

Cheers,

Huite

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:35:58 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: DEAD CAN DANCE


Spiritchaser has 3 songs over 8 minutes on it.  It has a much more percussive
feel to it which will certainly come across during their tour, which will
start about 3 weeks after record release.  They will be playing some big
venues and to fill the sound they have added a few more musicians to the mix.


Brendan Perry's record is not scraped and it has not shown up on
Spriritchaser.  As a am sure you are all aware, hell it is the reason DCD are
so good, Brendan is a perfectionist and he has decided to put those songs
down for now.  You do however have a feel for what he was doing solo through
songs like American Dreaming.  KCRW "Rare on Air" features a live Brendan
solo song.

That is all for now

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:33:02 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: LUSH promo info


>I thought I'd add a promo that was missing from the Goldmine article:
>
>CAD P 4011 CD  LUSH -- "Split"  [has the entire album, and came in a clear
>slip-case with the white and orange vellum sleeve]
>
>Since I've provided this info, could anyone tell me about the recent
>"Lovelife" and "Ciao!" UK promo CDs?  Are they digipaks?  What's on
>"Ciao!"?
>

promo CD: Lovelife (SAMPLED)
Osbourne Mix)
Comes in printed cardboard sleeve.

I never did see the 'Ciao'. Is it UK?

The new DCD 'Spiritchaser' is out on CD-format now.
White (non printed) sleeve.

Cheers,

Huite


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:34:09 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: DEAD CAN DANCE


        When will it be out, then?

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:44:37 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal


just a side note -

there's a difference between being gay and being a 'flaming queen'.
Objecting to someone being a flaming queen is not the same as objecting
to homosexuality.

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:55:33 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: DEAD CAN DANCE


On Tue, 7 May 1996, Micah Newman wrote:

>         When will it be out, then?
>


        *June 11 in the states, June 3 in europe.

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:24:31 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: wonderwall

              96 08:30:18 am

 John Mcintyre  wrote on Tue, 7 May 1996
 (Subject: Re: wonderwall)
 > Looking around his room he spotted the Harrison album and decided
 > to go with "Wonderwall", figuring the album was so obscure nobody
 > would recognize his source.

 Which just about says it all about Noel "better than Lennon and
 McCartney" Gallagher.  "Wonderwall" was reissued a year or two ago,
 and is music for a film, supposedly Harrison mucking about with
 electronics, just after the Beatles split, which sounds intriguing -
 one of those albums I keep meaning to buy but never get round to.
 The film was about a wall with wonderful things on the other side, or
 something like that.  Didn't Pink Floyd do an album along the same
 lines?  Perhaps Noel can write a song called "Dark Side of the Moon"
 and hope nobody notices.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 07/05/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
The Auteurs - After Murder Park

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:26:22 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'/meanings...

              from "daniel klyn" at May 7, 96 08:50:48 am

 daniel klyn  wrote on Tue, 7 May 1996
 (Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'/meanings...)
 > a kookaburra is a bird, and an amazingly beautiful one at that.
 > sortof like a kingfisher, but with metallic/sharkskinesque colors
 > like turquoise and gold and pink.  i saw one in the zoo in phoenix
 > park, dublin.

I think you saw a kingfisher.  The kookaburras I saw (at UWA, Perth)
were brown.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 07/05/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
The Auteurs - After Murder Park

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:39:40 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints


Ian Masters also put out the 'ESP Continent' disc available through
timestereo/karina square which is from the same sessions as ESP Summer,
but includes rather different versions of about three songs and
about 9 songs that dont appear on 'summer'. The disc is quite good. If
you liked Spoonfed Hybrid (Ian's other recent project on Guernica),
there's a lot of similarity, mainly in vocal and melody style. However,
the instrumentation is a lot more sparse and subtle. There are definately
some interesting sounds/noises, but the disc is mostly Ian on guitar or
piano with Warren Defever adding some background texture and effect - it
really focusses on Ian's vocals and melodies.

As for the rest of the Pale Saints, has there been an official
declaration of break up? They put out an album after Ian left which was
by no means as spectacular as their Ian days, but interesting in its own
way. As far as I knew they were still working together
(mer/chris/graeham/colleen)...

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:23:15 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Kookaburra


e thunk:
>I think oomingmak originated in Australia. Perhaps you can confirm this?

Exqse me if this is just a troll on e's part, but "Oomingmak" is the
Inuit (that's "Eskimo" to the politically incorrect, "Esquimaugh" being a
derogatory term meaning "eaters of raw flesh") word for the Musk Ox.
  Even better, their word for musk-ox hair is "Qiviut", which will
probably be a song title on the next Cocteau Twins album if Mark Clifford
doesn't snag it first. Qiviut, by the way, is about the softest and
comfiest yarn you can imagine; it makes cashmere feel like Brillo pads by
comparison. Unfortunately it's rather pricey, even compared to cashmere.
  It's interesting the weird facts you learn when your wife knits...

Did we ever figure out what "Quique" means?

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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:22:19 -0400
From: Tim Nekuza (ff417@cleveland.Freenet.Edu)
Subject: STP-Cleveland


Hey kids.  I'm pretty sure this is my first post to the 4ad list, so hang on.

Attended Shaving the Pavement last night at the Odeon in Cleveland's
luxurious (tongue-imbedded-in-cheek) Flats.  At least it ended well...

Mojave 3 was quite a disappointment.  While Ask Me Tomorrow is a great 'lights-
off/altered mood' record, it just doesn't translate live.  'Mercy' sounded
good, but they're just not diverse enough to pull it off.

Now, the idea of a heavy metal band on the art-strangled 4ad sounds like a
great joke.  Unfortunately, Ivo didn't pick a band that writes actual songs.
They're loud enough and ugly enough, but only 'Wish You Were Dead' is really
of any consequence both live and on Infliction.  Shame too, because 'Wish' is
pretty good.  Maybe they'll grow into something, probably on some other label.

Thankfully, Lush turned in their most accomplished performance, that i've
witnessed in Cleveland, to date.  Aside from the giddy thrill of seeing them
with Ride several years ago, this was a manic pop thrill.  The new songs sound
justified in a live setting, even though I was scared after hearing Lovelife.
Now that any mystique surrounding them is gone, I was afraid they were just
boring, like Tracey Thorn, I was wrong.  'Single Girl' scraped along nicely
and 'The Childcatcher' actually had some blood in its veins.  '500' could be
Lush's 'Friday, I'm In Love', though I'm not sure if that's good or bad.
The band even saw fit to move around, except for Emma, who is starting to look
like the horrid Natalie Merchant (e.g. chubby, stagnant).  The sound was great
and the old cuts were tight.  A scathing rendition of 'De-Luxe' made me sweat.
'Undertow' was grinding and tense and Miki reclaimed 'For Love' from the Stone
Temple Addicts' 'Big Bang Whatever.'

The moral of this story:  buy Ask Me Tomorrow, show up late enough for Lush and
check out the promo cassette, which they passed out after the show here.  New Br
ndan Perry-produced Heidi Berry is enough to recommend the cassette, but there's
also a re-recorded version of 'Halfway to Madness' from the wonderful
Tarnation, which I rarely ever see mentioned on this list.  Dark, American
gothic and highly recommended.  'ESP Summer' by HNIA is also very cool.  Plus,
they've programmed the two Scheer songs at the end of side one, so you can just
fast forward through them.  Too bad v23 wasted some of the most unnerving
visuals they've done on such a crap band.

Cya
Tim


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:09:19 -0500
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: keek!


Jens Alfke wrote:
> Did we ever figure out what "Quique" means?

I recall reading in the Astralwerks press release of the album that "quique" is 
n
onomatopoeia for the sound of a Roland 808 beatbox hi-hat (although it's also be
n
suggested that it is a Scots slang term for shit).


hk
--
hk@neosoft.com | farrago@delphi.com | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
"'cos you're the latest hotshot britpop poet laureate..." - stephen duffy

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:04:21 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: This-is-whot-a-briar-is...see?


Mr. Davies with today's esoteric lingo lecture said:

>  *briar* is a rather derogatory term that *sophisticated* folks from Ohio
>    (those that made past 9th grade) use to describe those people and their
>    offspring who migrated north to the industrial Ohio cities such as
>    Dayton from the rural poverty-stricken states such as Kentucky and West
>    Virginia.

I am in ohio, thus the following.

It's funny (only to some mind you) but I know of a particular lot of 8th
graders who IMO (and their parents) that are *very* sophisticated.
In fact one came up to me the other day asking for suggestions of a
water-color painting he was working on.  He asked, "how do I get my painting
to be 'quieter' than some, or most, of Hopper's most striking yet hushed
works".  Needless to say I'm still working on an answer for that one.
I thought that was a bit precocious for someone in the 8th grade, no?
Maybe he was from out-of-state...hmmm.

apologies to those who deem this off-topic or not "sophisticated".

jason

suffering from the post-9th grade inferiority complex.

srilank@briar.com

ps-A few of my toothless un-sophisticated (*not* because they're toothless)
friends and I were discussing, in between topics of the best chewing tobacco,
fishing lures, and contests of who has more cars in their front yard (which I
lost only by ONE!!!), were discussing the extraordinary ear pleasing sounds
of the new windy&carl cd _drawing of sound_.  It was all agreed upon that
fans of earlier Slowdive (circa the early eps and the more 'soundscape' type
cuts off of _just for a day_) and the more recent release by ny's Bowery
Electric, would find this sweeping guitar/ala ambience with a dashes of
breathy female vox truly wonderwall er...wonderful.  If by any chance you
would like more details you could ask me personally or I'm sure Gil
(TooKrnky@AOL.COM) could fill you in as well.  This cd was brought to me by
the coolest indie cd/vinyl store this side of Briarville--'bent crayon'
(bcrayon@en.com).

pps-anyone have any used Area cds they would like to sell?
(seriously)


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:24:20 -0500
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints


joey burns wrote:

>Ian Masters also put out the 'ESP Continent' disc available through
>timestereo/karina square which is from the same sessions as ESP Summer,
>but includes rather different versions of about three songs and
>about 9 songs that dont appear on 'summer'.

it's the same as the time stereo cassette.  are you talking about some
other esp summer?

BiZ

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 15:06:15 -0400
From: Lush Muse (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: hey hey helen literary fanzine


hey everyone!

i do a zine called "hey hey helen" and the 3rd issue is coming out on 5/17,
friday, when the stp tour stops here again in la...the first 2 issues were
only poetry, but this third issue will again feature poetry plus album
reviews, and band interviews.  there's a 5 minute phone conversation with
miki (lush, as if you don't know already), and i'm trying to do a phone
interview with mojave 3 as well...4ad hasn't called me back yet. but if you
any of you would like the issue and/or back issues, please write to me at:

hey hey helen
p.o. box 4292
montebello, california 90640

it'll cost $1.00 and an extra $1.00 for postage...

privately e-mail me for more info about:
ad placements
poetry/short stories submissions/other writings...
bands, send us yr demos, etc...to review
and other stuff...

thanks!
pete

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:41:42 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'/meanings...


On Tue, 7 May 1996, Andrew Norman wrote:
> I think you saw a kingfisher.  The kookaburras I saw (at UWA, Perth)
> were brown.


        nope, either it _was_ a kookaburra, or the exhibit was mislabled.
        perhaps the brown one(s) you saw were females?


        ornithologically,
        dna k

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:24:38 -0400
From: liles melissa m (mmlile@FACSTAFF.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Inuit words


Funny to end my day at work reading Jen's enlightening message
regarding the meaning of "Oomingmak"...
I had not an hour ago catalogued an Inuit drawing entitled "Musk-Ox
Heard," its too bad that Inuit artists (its a cottage industry) don't
use their own language when selling their works...That's colonialism
for you...Oomingmak sounds much more poetic and it would really
hoodle the un-enlightened homogeneous masses that may view this work
in my museum one day...

That aside, I am going on a 2 week holiday and I need to set my mail
box for no messages and not unsubscribe, I DO have the FAQ, and last
time I followed the instructions for this procedure and it didn't
work...It states "To put mail on hold: SET 4AD-L NOMAIL"  and send
it to listserv@listserv.american.edu.  Do I have wrong info?  I'll
try again, any suggestions?

Thanks,
mml

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:56:48 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Reminders


Here is a reminder of things going on today:

Bill Nelson in-store at Tower on Sunset 6pm.

Swirlies at Dragonfly. 21+. Info: 213-466-6111

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
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ps. No relation to Bill. In fact, Nelson is not really even my
true family name. It goes back several generations to Sweden...
but that's a long story.

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:12:31 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Area CDs


>Absolutely.  You say you expected 6 people to take part in the
>lottery.  So while one person got the bargain of 4 CDs for $10, the
>other five would be FUCKED out of $10 each.  Why should these people
>spend that much money to get nothing in return?  Do you *really* think
>that, faced with that proposition, you would take part in such a
>lottery?  I doubt it.

yet millions of people buy lottery tickets every year. . .

BiZ, who bought three lottery tickets. . .once (i won $2). . .

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:39:07 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: STP-Cleveland

              7 May 1996 12:22:19 -0400

>    New Brendan Perry-produced Heidi Berry is enough to
>   recommend the cassette

True.  I would never have been looking forward to the new Heidi Berry if it
weren't for this breathtaking song.  That violin is just gorgeous and the
production is darker than the usual Berry (that's good!).  Now, i can't wait.

>   'ESP Summer' by HNIA is also very cool.

Seemed like a filler song to me (the vocals are borderline).  I hope the whole
EP isn't like this.

-cz


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 22:11:05 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall/ignorance and kookaburras


>a kookaburra is a bird, and an amazingly beautiful one at that. sortof
>like a kingfisher, but with metallic/sharkskinesque colors like turquoise
>and gold and pink.  i saw one in the zoo in phoenix park, dublin.

actually, a kookaburra is not 'like' a kingfisher, it is
the largest of the kingfisher family.



naor
 not an expert ornithologist btw

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:48:12 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: keek! or Kwi-Kway(g) ???

              13:09:19 -0500

>   Jens Alfke wrote:
>   > Did we ever figure out what "Quique" means?
>
>   I recall reading in the Astralwerks press release of the
>   album that "quique" is an onomatopoeia for the sound of
>   a Roland 808 beatbox hi-hat (although it's also been
>   suggested that it is a Scots slang term for shit).

Quiqueg was the native in Moby Dick.  Any relation?

-cz

Quiqueg) on the X-files.


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 22:00:35 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: PALE SAINTS/OPAL


on mon 6 may roy burns wrote:

>They also covered "Blue Flower" which Mazzy Star also
>covered, which was
>originally done by some obscure band that has been
>mentioned before.

what? is that a secret? a charade?
the credits on the Mazzy Star album also tell that
'blue flower' is a cover but do not mention the original
band.
don't be an info teaser Roy. if you know the name of
the band say it. (or even better, mail it to the list)

naor

being a criminal mastermind does not make you a better ping pong player.

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:16:02 -0400
From: captain dave (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: don't ask, just enjoy


while i acknowledge the relevence of motivation and background of an
artist in appreciating the final product; i must say that almost every
time i read lyrics or find out about a musicians personal politics, the
music is devalued for me. maybe it's because it distracts me when i
listen. maybe i'm a simple, shallow aeshete. maybe i just don't care.
anyway, my vote goes to the ignorant (in every sense of the word i guess)
lot.
so, does this lessen my credibility? does it make me not as involved in
the art? should i really care if liz is singing about abuse or if their
new album is on a major label? i'd like some non-inflammatory feedback on
this one.
dave desarg@mail.wm.edu

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:22:04 -0400
From: captain dave (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: nothing good on volume


bollocks
i beg you to listen to the track immediately after "circling girl". it's
the one by baby bird called "alan ladd". it's fucking amazing. i have,
since hearing that song two months ago purchased all four of baby bird's
releases that i know of. they are all amazing.

Baby Bird-one man and an eight track. 400+songs.
one can look at baby bird songs as either low-fi and high brow of hi-fi
and low brow. there is simplicity on the surface of the songs; a simple
beat, amateurish  production. but when you dig deeper and listen harder
you realize how complex and agonizingly put together the songs are. there
are a few themes that recur (is that redundant?) in the music on a micro
and macroscopic scale. it's all very well thought out and crafted.
in other words, i highly recommend it.....

va bene
dave desarg@mail.wm.edu
whose quisquose is feeling millimenary-esque


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:44:19 -0500
From: "Dominic M. Tolli" (tolli@UKRAINE.CORP.MOT.COM)
Subject: Chicago Lush Ticket Anyone?


        I know the show isn't yet sold out, but if anyone
would like to buy my extra ticket for the Lush/Mojave/Scheer
show Thursday evening in Chicago @ Cabaret Metro, feel free
to contact me.  The person who was supposed to attend with
me cancelled, and I just don't want to eat the price of the
ticket.  Either way, see y'all there.

Nick

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 08:58:23 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Kookaburra


Isn't a Kookaburra a hockey stick pretending to be a cricket bat??

*LOL*

later

Artc

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:59:42 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: PALE SAINTS/OPAL


>>what? is that a secret? a charade?
the credits on the Mazzy Star album also tell that
'blue flower' is a cover but do not mention the original
band.
don't be an info teaser Roy. if you know the name of
the band say it. (or even better, mail it to the list)<<

I don't know. Sorry.

Roy


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:35:29 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: PALE SAINTS/OPAL


naor asks:
>the credits on the Mazzy Star album also tell that
>'blue flower' is a cover but do not mention the original
>band.
>don't be an info teaser Roy. if you know the name of
>the band say it. (or even better, mail it to the list)

Come on, this is answered in the FAQ...


That's right, I'm not going to give the answer here.
Read The FAQ, Mate.

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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:08:16 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Kookaburra


In a message dated 96-05-07 03:42:01 EDT, you write:

>> >It's like asking "what the hell is a Kookaburra???"  don't ask....just
>enjoy
>> >~blubelknol@aol.com
>>
>> It's an Australian bird with a distinctive "laugh" call.  Is this a joke,
>> or ignorance?  Perhaps just too subtle for me.
>
>I'm not sure it's possible to be ignorant simply by failing to know about
>a famous Australian bird. I'd go with the subtlety thing if I were you.
>
>

to be blunt... I could care less what Australia national bird is.  To me it
ranks as one of those things like State Flower, State Tree, or State Song...
just a bit of useless trivia.  Would you know the national bird of Chile
without looking in an Encyclopedia??  let this thread die here........

The whole point of my post was to tell people who look for the literal
meaning of lyrics to give it a rest and simply enjoy the music.  It's like
the Cocteau Twins/MTV thing where they demanded Liz's lyrics before they
would air a video when in fact, as we all know, they were none (for the most
part).  Of course some believe that in order to enjoy a piece of music, they
need to understand the lyrics so that they may fully experience what the
artist is trying to convey... and I do see that point as well.  Just don't
consume yourselves trying to define lyrics....enjoy the melodies

"will you be my grinning half-breed grinning?" -hnia

~~the blubelknol@aol.com

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:13:14 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: The Great Area Scam


I have kept very quite on this. You know, I was the original person looking
for these CDs.  The funny thing is, I think I can find them in the AREA
that I live in.  I use to see AREA cds all the time. What I want to know is
why couldn't the person just have a e-mail lottery? No money involved
except for the person who wins.  There really was no need to send in
checks.

Money, demand and little supply does strange things to folks.

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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 21:02:01 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Lush interview


An interview with Lush by Michael Edwards for a New Brunswick,
Canada university paper has been posted on the net at:


Please check it out, its not bad.

Steve

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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:40:12 -0500
From: Young Grasshopper (DECLERCA@CARLETON.EDU)
Subject: Minneapolis: Stereolab and StP shows...


hey...anyone going to either of these shows?  Stereolab is this Wednesday, and
the StP show is next week sometime...e-mail me if y're goin'. Both shows (at
First Avenue) are 21+, I believe.  talk to you soon...

Aaron

declerca@carleton.edu

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:58:14 GMT
From: Lord Purge (scottyt@UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: Hyperium's Anchorage & "New Classics"


[IMO to everything that follows, but you already know that...]

I just bought Anchorage's latest album _the bleak wooden tower_
and for the most part have been pretty much dunb-founded by what
I hear.

For those of you not familiar with this band... They were
either "discovered" or produced (or both) by Stoa... This connection
is noticeable when listening to Anchorage's first album, _tranquilly
the maelstrom starts_... Like Stoa's _Urthona_ (sp?) there is the
same sort of alteration between classical-type songs with female vocals,
and more conventional drudgey ethereal "rock" (for lack of better phrasing)
with male vocals. This latter type for stoa reminded me of Clan Of Xymox,
whereas with Anchorage it was the same but with a bit of the Chameleons
or Cranes.

Anyway, the most recent Anchorage release has come a long way from the
last one...  It strips away all but the classical touches... and these
are much more clearer and organic than previous attempts. The difference
is so great that I can barely stretch terms like "goth" or "ethereal"
(as I think of them) to cover Anchorage. Only on a very few songs (the ones
with vocals on them) do these terms feel remotely applicable.  My
knowledge of classical music is limited, and I have even less technical
insight into theory, so I can't tell you if these are "skillful"
compositions, but I find them emotionally effective and enjoy them
quite a bit (then again I could be biased by what I consider
a remarkable transformation on the bands part).

As for descriptions.... it seems very traditionl (They get a pretty wide
range of instruments in) and I could quite easily envision an orchestra
performing this in a concert hall somewhere. More crisp and less
atmospheric then Shinjuku Thief's _Witch_ series... None of the brutality
of In Slaughter Natives... Not as blissfully triumphant as In The Nursery
(though if I had to pick one... more in the direction of_ Stormhorse_)...
Very soundtrackey... Very good...

I'm a little sad to see the old anchorage go.... I had thought
_tranquilly the maelstrom starts_ was one of the best releases of '94 for
goth/ethereal stuff... I think the new one is great too, and I'm very
excited for the band and their new direction.  What's even more exciting
for me is that in small gold letters at the top of the cover art are
the words "Hyperium New Classics". What is this ?!?! Why the new division
unless Hyperium plans on supporting more groups like Anchorage?
Does anyon know anything about this Hyperium effort?


Thanks and enjoy,
purge
--
(I am able to apprehend it only in a series of snapshots, still lifes,
and fast takes of conversation, as it were, and when with heightened
concentration I try to move in closer, everything seems to move away
from me; perhaps I am somewhat overinvolved with this) (- B.Malzberg)


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 21:09:40 -0500
From: "Steven S. Fang" (Meursault@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Yet another commercial jingle ...


Hello, all.

It seems that advertising executives have somehow stumbled upon better taste
lately.  First, I hear the Sundays in a Budweiser commercial.  Then, I hear
Lush and Ivy in Volkswagen commercials.  An now ... I hear something or
another quite interesting in a Microsoft commercial.

As fate would have it, I can't offer very many particulars about the
commercial.  I was in the kitchen when I initially heard nifty guitar chords
and catchy female vocals ... definitely sounded 4AD-ish (at least according
to my sensibility).  By the time I made my way in front of the TV, all that
awaited me was a lemon-yellow screen with the Microsoft logo in the center.
Can anyone perchance offer any insight as to exactly which commercial and,
more specifically, which band might have caught my attention?

And for those who become perturbed by non-4AD related postings ... I shall
perhaps apologize in advance should the band in question turn out to be a
deviant.  (Oh, the perils of mailing list participation.)

Thanks for any assistance.

Steven S. Fang
Meursault@mail.utexas.edu

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:46:22 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: PALE SAINTS/OPAL


> >>what? is that a secret? a charade?
> the credits on the Mazzy Star album also tell that
> 'blue flower' is a cover but do not mention the original
> band.
> don't be an info teaser Roy. if you know the name of
> the band say it. (or even better, mail it to the list)<<
>
> I don't know. Sorry.

Okay, okay... time for me to pull out a little obscure knowledge for
you guys.  The song was written by someone named Peter Blegvad, from
a band called Slapp Happy.  Aren't you all impressed :)

Okay, I admit it.  This info was easily found in Jack Rabid's
interview with them (TBO #37).  Meriel said: "I was going to say we
just missed seeing Peter Blegvad.  He played the other night...
'cause he wrote 'Blue Flower.'  Damn, that would have been quite good
to see him."



Mazzy Star version, much as you'd covered Roback's Opal on the LP
before that ["Fell from the Sun"]."

So there you go guys, Mr. Rabid saves the day.

BTW, if you ever want to read an *excellent* music magazine, Jack
Rabid's The Big Takeover is the one.  Excellent band interviews, all
the right music, great album reviews--just a truly excellent
magazine; the only problem being its infrequency.  It comes out an
average of two times a year.  Here's an example of interviews in this
Lush, Cranes, Kitchens of Distinction, Pale Saints, Moose, Catherine
Wheel, AMC, etc.  So if your into that stuff, I highly recommend it.

moran@hal-pc.org

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 22:58:12 +0000
From: Jamin Suwandi (jamin@VIVID.NET)
Subject: Re: DCD short review


Where can we purchase a promo CD by DCD or any other artists ?

Jamin

Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 22:51:58 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'/meanings...


In a message dated 96-05-07 13:40:19 EDT, you write:

> > a kookaburra is a bird, and an amazingly beautiful one at that.
> > sortof like a kingfisher, but with metallic/sharkskinesque colors
> > like turquoise and gold and pink.  i saw one in the zoo in phoenix
> > park, dublin.
>
>I think you saw a kingfisher.  The kookaburras I saw (at UWA, Perth)
>were brown.
>
>

what in God's name does this have to do with 4AD other than the fact it's a
song title??
(then again, all things can be tied to "the Universe according to Kim Deal"
right?)

can we move on to relevant discussions now??
(sorry I even mentioned the word - "kookaburra" that is)

~blu


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