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Subject: Re: CT v23/Rachel's spots
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 01:04:46 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Codeine
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:30:01 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Kim Deal/Rachel Goswell
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 06:43:37 -0400
From: naranjas en la cabeza (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Kitchens Review
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 07:35:43 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: music and TV
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:00:55 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: f**kwits R us
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 23:05:10 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: 5 Ways of disapearing..
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 06:28:52 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: STP Toronto update: The limited edition
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 09:43:31 EDT
From: seann harding (103476.1771@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Demystification is done by...
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 11:26:30 EDT
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: Re: Codeine
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:06:47 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Music & TV
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:21:07 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Furry things ?
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:15:15 +0200
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" (lapierre@FILNET.FR)
Subject: Re: Lush in france ?
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:15:11 +0200
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" (lapierre@FILNET.FR)
Subject: Re: f**kwits R us
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:18:04 EDT
From: "Glen T. Greenman" (102724.3265@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Monsters Robots & Bugmen comp
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:25:57 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: what is 'wonderwall'
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:52:24 EDT
From: "Scott Davies (295-7039)" (sdavies@VNET.IBM.COM)
Subject: Re: Furry things ?
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:48:32 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: THE THIS RIMY LIMITED
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:16:05 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:41:00 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Re: 5 Ways of disapearing..
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 22:03:46 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: whot Da duck??
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:18:08 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:00:17 -0500
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: The great Area lottery
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:07:53 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: 5 Ways of disapearing..
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:32:27 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Area CDs
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:25:00 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: The Swirlies are godhead!
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:51:28 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: 5 Ways of disapearing..
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:20:28 -0500
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Codeine
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:24:47 -0500
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: LUSH promo info
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:30:11 -0500
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: Re: The Swirlies are godhead!
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:53:44 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kinky Love(was 5 Ways of ...)
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:31:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Adelbert V. Espino" (avespino@LYNX.CS.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: PALE SAINTS/OPAL
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 20:04:04 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: music and TV
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 20:04:16 -0400
From: Jennifer Jamieson (Rmitchel5@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD short review
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:05:52 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:24:03 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: The Great Area Scam
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:34:23 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'/meanings...
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 23:07:31 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Slowdive & Mojave
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 05:19:11 +0200
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: Re: Codeine
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 23:18:36 -0500
From: Pepe Garcia Camil (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 01:04:46 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: CT v23/Rachel's spots


In a message dated 96-05-05 12:23:24 EDT, you write:

>Actually, when last I saw Rachel, she was covered with mysterious little
>spots. I don't think she wears glasses (unless she's also recently injured
>her eyes on an airline flight).
>
>

Yes, Rachel does wear glasses.  She sported them at the in-store performance
and at the actual performance later tonight here in Detroit.  She did mention
the fact she only had 4 hours sleep before their in-store appearance....
maybe she usually wears contacts, but because of the lack of sleep she
couldn't wear 'em...happens to me all the time.

just thought there might be someone out here in 4AD-Land that wanted to know
that...  :P

~~~blubelknol@aol.com


Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:30:01 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Codeine


Dez wrote:

>You wait for ages for an ex-Codeine drummer's record,

And I'm waiting for ages for a new Codeine record. What are they up to?


Frank

+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++


Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 06:43:37 -0400
From: naranjas en la cabeza (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Kim Deal/Rachel Goswell


>Yeah, I read awhile back that she was going to marry one of the guys in Guided
>by Voices; but didn't sound too happy about it, so I don't know if it ever
>happened.

You really have to wonder about the things Kim Deal says sometimes. She
recently said there was a guy she wanted to play bass for the Amps, but then
she found out he was a "flaaaaaaming homosexual" and that supposedly put her
off the idea.

>>> >A bespeckled Rachel kept testing the mic to see if it was on and no one
>was helping her.<
>
>Don't you mean "bespectacled"?<<
>
>Actually, when last I saw Rachel, she was covered with mysterious little
>spots. I don't think she wears glasses (unless she's also recently injured
>her eyes on an airline flight).

No, I've seen her wear glasses (not on stage). They were little cat's-eye or
butterfly ones or whatever they're called.

Larry


Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 07:35:43 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kitchens Review


My two favorite Kitchens records are 'Strange Free World' and 'Death of
Cool'.  I also own 'Love is Hell' and 'Cowboys...,' niether of which ever
get played. _ever_.  Love is Hell has some good lyrics but the music is
harsher and less inventive than 'sfw'. Cowboys suffers in identical
except opposite ways: smooth to the point of blandness.

Love is Hell is valuable as an artifact: like how i see 'garlands':
shows you where this group comes from, and the rawness is revealing.
The lyrics are very good, too.

Cowboys and Aliens is boooring. Again, some good lyrics, but the music is
redundant and overproduced.

dan k.

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:00:55 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: music and TV


On Sat, 4 May 1996, Heather Elizabeth Phares wrote:

> Another scary one: Dead Can Dance on that Fox series with all the
> vampires...I forget the name of it, but they played "The Wind that Shakes
> the Barley" from Into the Labyrinth in this bar/coffeehouse where all the
> vamps go to be gloomy. It was really jarring to hear Lisa Gerrard
> accompanying this really tacky show...but it might be scarier to admit
> that i was watching it...


        *come now, ms. phares. Kindred: The Embraced (TM) isnt all that
         awful, is it?  Stoopid title for the show, and a few initial
         episodes were a bit whack, but i think its getting better.
         and in terms of DCD, they've _always_ been big with the vampyres.
         (some of the sillies at the lisa gerrard show i saw: capes,
          black makeup, a blood-droplet fake tatoo near somebody's mouth,
          and pibs (Persons In Black) wearing ankh necklaces [with secret
          knife a-la The Hunger]...)


Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 23:05:10 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: f**kwits R us


Sorry about the crap above, but unfortunately we can't keep all the
intelligence insomniacs of this list like what's his name above.
        Glen


YOU calling us "intelligence insomniacs"????!!!

later

Artc


Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 06:28:52 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: 5 Ways of disapearing..


I've seen this on sale recently, but I have never heard anything solo by
Kristen. Anything to liken it to with fellow 4AD releases. Or anything non-4AD, 
ut
sort of well known.

Lay-ter
Chris


Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 09:43:31 EDT
From: seann harding (103476.1771@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: STP Toronto update: The limited edition


Reposted from an earlier post that seemed to go further past the right hand
margin than I thought, rendering it partially unreadable:


Well, "Shaving The Pavement" made its' second Canadian visit on
Saturday, May 4th in Toronto.  Here is a summary of the day...

An autograph session Saturday afternoon at the downtown HMV proved
to be very popular, with lines of fans stretching through the store and out
onto the sidewalk on Yonge Street.

First fans were treated to acustic performances from both Scheer
and Mojave 3.  Scheer played three songs, "Demon", "You Said" and
"Goodbye" to a good response from the crowd.  Audrey has one hell
of a voice, I gotta say!

Two new songs were unleashed during Mojave 3's set, "Trying To
Reach You" and an untitled one plus "Where Is The Love", which
Neal flubbed a couple lines sending Rachel into uncontrolled giggling.
Rachel then promised "we will be much more professional tonight!".

Afterwards fans were herded into a rather unorganized line up for the
autograph signing.  Scheer were first in line at the autograph tables.
I was able to flashback to their photo in AP and recount all the band
members names, which I hope impressed them.  Audrey and company
were all very willing to partake in banter with the fans.

Next up on the smorg table of 4AD main courses was Mojave 3, who,
like Scheer seemed to be into meeting with the fans.  Neal, Ian, Rachel
and company signed all my old Slowdive stuff, so I was happy!

Lush was next and despite a chirpy Miki, bandmates Phil, Chris and
Emma seemed a bit tired and not into it.  They did sign my Lush Mac
interactive disk, which I mentioned I haven't even seen 'cause I don't
own a Mac.  Miki added she's never viewed it either but didn't seem
too worried about it.

There were some prizes given away if fans answered some easy
questions like "What color is Miki's hair this week?".  I answered the
"What is the name of the girl in Scheer?" question correctly and received
the purple STP shirt.  Two lucky fans won these cool framed, signed
and shrink wrapped Lush art prints.  Too cool!!

Unlike most other previous STP tour dates, the companion STP
cassette was only available to those who baught a 4AD release from
this big rack of new and old 4AD stuff.  This was a sore point among
some fans.  So, I ended up buying another copy of LIAE on CD to get the
tape.  Everything on this rack was $15.99, including many titles which
PolyGram released in Canada as UK only imports.  So, good deal there.
There was some non-4AD Cocteau Twins on this rack but in Canada
4AD and Mercury/Fontana are all handled by PolyGram I guess it's
acceptable, I guess.

Later on, I ventured to the venue called The Opera House.  There was
already ten or so people there.  It was then I realized I had inadvertently
left my "Ask Me Tomorrow" CD booklet on the autograph signing table
back at HMV!  So, I went back to HMV and re-purchased the CD and
received TWO STP cassettes this time!  I just won the lottery and that's
why I can afford three copies of every 4AD release, one to listen to,
another to get signed by bands and yet another to place in my
temperature-controlled refridgerator storage unit.

Then, back to the venue.  Waiting out front, I could hear Mojave 3
doing their soundcheck.  A few minutes later, out walked Mojave 3!!
A crowd of Lush fans were oblivious to this fact so I struck up a
conversation.  Neal asked where they could go for a quick meal and
I suggested to nearby Neon Cowboy, a real classy joint.  They went in
and a few minutes later I went in to ask if they could re-sign my CD,
which they did and they also spent some time answering all
my anal questions.  Rachel was very nice and accomadating to me
as was everyone in the band.  Thanks, Mojave 3!!

The concert began at 9pm exactly with Mojave 3 hitting the stage first.
They played "Pictures", "Mercy" and "Where Is The Love" among others
including new stuff as well as wrapping up with a Dylan cover!  The crowd
was fairly open to the Mojave 3 sound but I'm not sure how many were
going to rush out and buy the album.

Up next, Scheer!  I'm sure Scheer won a few new fans with this
STP tour; they surely did tonight.  A friend who was skeptical after listening
to "Schism" was converted by the end of the set.  Once again, Audrey has a
beautiful voice and, not that this matters, is a total babe.  PolyGram issued
"Infliction" with the UK graphics and the cool sticker too!  I hope they put
"In Your Hand" as a single...

Lush hit the stage just past 11pm and the crowd really started to
react.  As Miki said at HMV, the show will be "some old and some new".
So we had "Sweetness And Light" along with new single "500" to groove to.
The packed venue was really getting into it and Lush kicked ass tonight!!

After Lush's encore the lights came up and everyone filed there way out
into the chilly street.  A day of delights for me, no doubt and I'm sure it
was a day to remember for others as well.  It really helped get Scheer
and Mojave 3 some much deserved attention and gave Lush the reminder
that they have truly arrived.

Almost as quickly as they hit town, the 4AD groups were off, heading
across the river to Detroit, where they played the next night.  I'm sure a
report will follow...

An expanded, clothbound book version of the above review featuring all
new art from Chris Bigg and Jason Love of v23 is available now.  The
catalogue number is RAD X 6028 and the first fifty copies include a
free CD with unreleased demo tracks from Lush, Mojave 3 and Scheer.
The extra unlisted track is from 50's do-whop sensations The Jive
Bombers who receive a special reissue treatment from 4AD later on
this fall.  The  "Bad Boy" album, which features their 1957 hit single
of the same same, is looking to be a collection of their Savoy Records'
singles from what I can tell.  I was lucky enough to stumble across the
original "Bad Boy" 7" at a local used shop!  MCA released a Jive Bombers
CD compilation at one point called "Cry Baby" (MCAD-8038) but it's long
since deleted. So now, the rights belong to Ivo at 4AD, who has been
planning this release for a long time.  It'll be interesting to see how v23's
take on the cover art is on this one!

Send all flames and witty retorts to
- Jeff via jscottc@interlog.com


Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 11:26:30 EDT
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: Demystification is done by...

              Mari & Brian" 

just when you thought it was safe to get back in the water...
No, it was not Whammy.  Originally recorded around 81-82 by a band called
"Zoundz".  Only bought the single and don't know much more about them ,
I'm afraid.

gay

Gay Church
University of Virginia, Health Sciences Center
lgc2c@virginia.mcc.edu
804-924-2930

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:06:47 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Codeine


>And I'm waiting for ages for a new Codeine record. What are they up to?


>Frank

As far as I'm aware, Codeine are no more. I think Steve Immerwahr is working on
a new project, and Doug Scharin is recording as Him. Maybe someone else has more
specific details?

Dez

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 12:21:07 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Music & TV


I just thought that I would add my two cents.  When a song gets put in a
commercial, television program, movie, etc.  it must first get approved by
the artist (the label does not have the final word).  The label does,
however, weed out all the  offers the band receive.  For many artists that
will be first and one of the rare opportunities to actually make some money.
 It takes a long time to recoup all the cost involved in making a record or
going on tour.  So give them a break they just want to eat.


Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:15:15 +0200
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" (lapierre@FILNET.FR)
Subject: Furry things ?


Has anyone heard from Furry Things _The Big Saturday Illusion_

'Just listened to it once in a shop, but it looks quite noisy
(a la MBV?) and thislisty...

Any recommendation ?

                       ___
Laurent Lapierre      |-,-|    . . . e n i v r e z - v o u s . . .
lapierre@filnet.fr    | - |    [words BaudelairE  music StereolaB]
 http://www.filnet.fr/perso/lapierre/


Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:15:11 +0200
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" (lapierre@FILNET.FR)
Subject: Re: Lush in france ?


>hi,
>        i'm also on the cocteau twins' list and i noticed that you are
>from france. how do the french refer to email. how do you say it? is it
>still called email? i have relatives in france and i wanted to know how to
>ask them if they have email...
>thanks,
>jim renaud

Yes, we do not have any other word to describe email regarding to snail mail=
...
Or say electronique mail... but not "boite =E0 lettres =E9lectronique"...


As far as I know, (I'm not so well informed however), Lush is not going to
play here in France.

                       ___
Laurent Lapierre      |-,-|    . . . e n i v r e z - v o u s . . .
lapierre@filnet.fr    | - |    [words BaudelairE  music StereolaB]
 http://www.filnet.fr/perso/lapierre/

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:18:04 EDT
From: "Glen T. Greenman" (102724.3265@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: f**kwits R us


>>>Sorry about the crap above, but unfortunately we can't keep all the
intelligence insomniacs of this list like what's his name above.
        Glen


YOU calling us "intelligence insomniacs"????!!!

later

Artc<<<

Excuse me, I'm so sorry, but what I meant to call you and Mr. Choi was
"intellectual insomniacs." I think the use of profanity in Choi's message and
your message header (f**kwits R us), Artc, are indicative of the low-level
mindset the two of you share.

Later!

Glen

P.S. By the way, Artc, the next time you want to insult or criticise me, please
at least make the effort to develop your own attacks, rather than simply pasting
Mr. Choi's ranting into your message and adding "Ditto."


Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:25:57 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Monsters Robots & Bugmen comp


This from the Ear/Rational pre-orders list:

>Various-Monsters Robots& Bugmen DCD AMBT11 $26.00
>A comprehensive Virgin UK DCD exploration of the new US/UK rock
>undergound post rock subversion from Stereolab, Bowery Electric, Pram,
>Flying Saucer Attack, Mercury Rev, Ui, Jessamine, God, Cul De Sac,
>Third Eye Foundation, Stars of the Lid, Labradford, US Maple, Brise
>Glace, Bardo Pond, Sabalon Glitz, Long Fin Killie, Windy & Carl, and
>more indie-experimentors. Quite the amazing "how-to-know- what's-cool"
>collection. (Virgin)

Sounds cool as hell. It's expensive but I think I must order it.
(I think "DCD" here means double-CD not Dead Can Dance...)

__________          ___________________          ________________________
Jens Alfke          OpenDoc Optimizator          jens@apple.com     [work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

"Nothing but terrifying blue columns. Bangs! Silences." (Louis Andriessen)
                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:52:24 EDT
From: "Scott Davies (295-7039)" (sdavies@VNET.IBM.COM)
Subject: what is 'wonderwall'


ok, so this is off topic... what does *wonderwall* refer to, as in
the Oasis, George Harrison, and Icehouse musik...

just figured some of you groovy folks might know... you can reply to
me personally if this is too off topic fer ya

back to lurking. Oh and thank all you wonderfull people to turning me on
to hal hartley movies - they really are life altering!


Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:48:32 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Furry things ?


Laurent asks:
>Has anyone heard from Furry Things _The Big Saturday Illusion_

This is one of the surprises of the year.
Trance Syndicate has put out some really fine music - Bedhead comes to mind -
but they've topped themselves with the Furry Things CD. "The Big Saturday
Illusion" is like a mind-meld collision between Medicine and Swirlies; Blind
Mr. Jones, and Spacemen 3. Drone-age, capricious instrumentation, walls of
humming keyboard vibrations, and exquisite sheets of FX-drenched guitar
noise. We all know the routine by now, don't we?

Furry Things separate themselves from the usual crowd with their willingness
to experiment. "Piled High" piles up the distortion and drone ... high - but
also laces the song with a very Ghost- like flute (I checked the liner notes
for mention of "Masai Batoh" a few times...), a wheezy
"the-one-that-got-away-from-Stereolab" Farfisa, and a simmering Bowery
Electric-type moodiness. "Nothing From ZerO" (great title!) is over 14
minutes of shoegazer atmosphere and Sonic/J Spaceman riffage that seeps into
the very marrow of your bones. There are a few tonal experiments like "Angel
Warm and Cold" (hello? Labradford?), "Colortime", "Lawnmower Sounds", and
"Introism" (the first song, of course). And there are a few chunks of
razor-edged pop like "Still California", which is also available on a 7" with
a great non-LP b-side. Forgive an occasional "er... WHAT?!" noodle like
"Cats" or "Porno Queen's Love Dive", and you have one hell of an album!

...especially when you consider that they're American.


Has anyone heard the new Goya Dress album? While there are flashes of Tori
"I'm so sincere that even my emotions are made of silicone" Amos which set my
teeth (and gut) on edge, it's a terribly classy affair. Beautiful design, too
- lots of metallic paper and ink, some artsy layouts, etc. A drastic
improvement on the interesting (but woefully underdeveloped) early EPs. Nude
UK comes through yet again, though they haven't unseated Sharkboy from that
throne of textured pop perfection.

Enough non-IDM related stuff for one day.
Time to dig into a meaty slab of Photek, don't you think?

GuerillaG - slumming on the artrock side - just for a day. :)


Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:16:05 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: THE THIS RIMY LIMITED


>Whott? $250 for a Rimy River Limited?? Wow!! That IS a lot of money.. I
>didn't realise it was THAT expensive... You guys are really devoted to 4AD
>to spend that kinda money for something that you can't really see/read.
>
>*my hats off to you*

I didn't really buy it for the readability.  From what I've heard of it,
it's more like a piece of art than a book.

Jake

Who's in hell until 5/22

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:41:00 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'


>ok, so this is off topic... what does *wonderwall* refer to, as in
>the Oasis


AUUUGHH!!! No no no no... _please_ don't mention Oasis (shutter) on this
list! I'm feeling ill.

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 22:03:46 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: 5 Ways of disapearing..


on mon , may 6 chris wrote:

>I've seen this on sale recently, but I have never heard
>anything solo by
>Kristen.

well, one of us is obviously confused.
'five ways of disappearing' is a *kendra smith* album.
either you got the name of the artist wrong or you're
talking about a whole different album.


>Anything to liken it to with fellow 4AD releases.
>Or anything non-4AD, but sort of well known.


assuming that we're talking about the same album,
'5 ways of disappearing' is well worth listening to.
if you must liken it to a well known release, the
only thing I can think of right now is the irish band
'clanad'. the difference being that 'clanad' is tacky
and boring, while '5 ways' can be great. (when you're
in a certain mood). the album is based on the sound
of an ancient pump organ accompanied by atmospheric
guitars, heavy drums, and kendra smith's deadpan vocals.
the songs consist of "natural" lyrics, (lousy phrase,ye')
in the sense that a 13'th century man would have no
problem understanding most of it. hence the comparison
to 'clanad'. but unlike 'clanad' the music here tends
to be more dark and mysterious, and sometimes even gothic.
like I said, you have to be in a certain mood.

that's all

naor

"I can't believe I ate the whole thing" 


Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:18:08 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: whot Da duck??


>
> and to you >>Strick9....YOU'RE CRAZY
>


Me???  What did I do?

*looks around wide-eyed and innocent-like*

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:00:17 -0500
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal


>You really have to wonder about the things Kim Deal says sometimes. She
>recently said there was a guy she wanted to play bass for the Amps, but then
>she found out he was a "flaaaaaaming homosexual" and that supposedly put her
>off the idea.

No, the idea wasn't put off because he was a homosexual...  she just
mentioned that the guy she thought would have been the bass player was a
flaming queen.  He was a relative to the band and he was just playing the
bass for that one night.

z

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:07:53 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: The great Area lottery


>         Interested? Questions? Let me know.
>


So, what you're saying is if you hold this lottery and, say, 20  people
are interested, you get *20* checks or money orders for $10 PLUS $3
shipping/handling from the one "lucky" winner.  You walk off with over
$200, ONE person gets 4 cds, and the other 19 get, shall we say, fucked?

Woah.  What an idea.

Ok, everyone send me a check or money order for $200 and one lucky winner
will get my entire (200 cds [including 13 Year Itch, AVAM, ...and dog
bones, too, etc]  and several pieces of vinyl) 4AD collection.

Dude, I could get rich off of this.


Strick9



whole collection.

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:32:27 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: 5 Ways of disapearing..


On Mon, 6 May 1996 Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM wrote:

> I've seen this on sale recently, but I have never heard anything solo by
> Kristen. Anything to liken it to with fellow 4AD releases. Or anything non-4AD
 but
> sort of well known.
>

Well... this is kinda far-fetched, but Pale Saints did a remake of an
Opal song written by Kendra.  And now it completely slips my mind as to
which one it is.

By the way, speaking of Pale Saints, does anyone else agree with me that
Kinky Love is one of the best, if not THE best, 4AD songs of the '90s, if
not ever.  I rank it WAY up there with the likes of Ivo, Another Day,
Telegram Sam and Swans on Glass as one of my 4AD faves of all time.


Strick9

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:25:00 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Area CDs


>         I DID set the price of a chance to win the FOUR CDs, NOT TWO, at $10.0

> each. I chose this price simply because I had about 6 offers to buy the CDs. 6
> listies times $10.00 is $60.00, which is about what I paid for them, and it's 
y
> understanding that these releases have become quite rare.
Yeah, but you still get 5 people who paid 10 bucks for squat.  Basically,
they just gave you money for nothing.  And they're not all THAT rare,
every now and then I see an Area cd used for about 9 or 10 bucks.
Sometimes as low as 7.

>                         TWO  <<< >>>  FOUR
> The words look nothing alike.)

What a bitchy way to make a point.

>         Since this is the first of what I expect to be a long stream of hate
> e-mail, I'm going to forget the whole lottery thing.

Good idea.   It's not that the lottery thing isn't clever or a "different
way" of doing it, just that it seems *really* greedy.

there I go, being crazy again...

Strick9

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:51:28 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: The Swirlies are godhead!


I didn't have time to mention the Swirlies show before
it happened in Pomona this past Saturday night, but
there are two more coming up in the LA area:

tonight (Monday) at No Life Records in Hollywood on Santa Monica
phone# 213-845-1200. 7pm.

Tuesday at Dragonfly in Hollywood on Santa Monica, I believe.
Check the LA Weekly.

Anyway, the Pomona show was just plain amazing! They played
most or all of the "normal" songs from the new album,
and the sound was incredibly (and I mean *incredibly*) loud!
My Bloody Valentine-style loudness, which (if you don't
know already) would be a fairly good description of their music too.
Their songs are a lot more quirky though, and I'm starting to
decide that Damon Tuntunjian (or however you spell it) is one brilliant
songwriter. The guitar noise they achieved made my head spin,
especially when they started right off into "Jeremy Parker"
from the first album. It almost brought tears to my eyes it
was so tremendous! One song featured some rather painful
static "played" by someone pressing both hands flat
onto an ancient looking analog keyboard. I don't think
the players even knew how loud it was since they were all
wearing earplugs! And when I told Damon afterwards that it
was really loud, he seemed surprised. They even did
"Tall Ships" from What To Do About Them, one of their all
time greats, although it was a shame Andy didn't do his
characteristic scream toward the end. One thing he did do
between songs though was play a few random samples from
a walkman into his bass pick-up (apparently they carry
this everywhere and record lots of wierd randomness,
like that hidden bit at the end of the first album).

So I implore you, go see the Swirlies! And be sure to
bring your earplugs, because as blissful the noise is,
and as much as you may want to hear it unfiltered,
it would have your ears ringing in no time.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:20:28 -0500
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: 5 Ways of disapearing..


Isn't that Pale Saints song "Blue Flower"?  Maybe I'm wrong.  You're
right...I like "Kinky Love" a lot...too bad it's not an original.
Speaking of pale saints, what ever happened to them???

Matt

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:24:47 -0500
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Codeine


I'm not sure if Codeine is still around or not, but I know that ex
members of Codeine are now in an amazing band called Rex.  Kinda like
Tortoise if they Rocked out more, were original, sang, and were good.
Check Rex out...they have a lot of stuff on Southern Records, and there
live show will BLOW you away (they had two really good drummers!  And
they were in sync the whole time!), so check 'em out....

Matt

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 18:30:11 -0500
From: jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
Subject: LUSH promo info


I thought I'd add a promo that was missing from the Goldmine article:

CAD P 4011 CD  LUSH -- "Split"  [has the entire album, and came in a clear
slip-case with the white and orange vellum sleeve]

Since I've provided this info, could anyone tell me about the recent
"Lovelife" and "Ciao!" UK promo CDs?  Are they digipaks?  What's on
"Ciao!"?

Thanks.

--Jeff

Jeffrey T. Gayton
jtgayton@polisci.wisc.edu

Dis-er-ta-tion n (1651) : 1 an extended usu. written treatment of a
subject; specif. : one submitted for a doctorate  2 world's longest job
application

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:53:44 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Swirlies are godhead!


Are there any dates scheduled for the Northwest?

Mike

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:31:22 -0700
From: "Adelbert V. Espino" (avespino@LYNX.CS.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kinky Love(was 5 Ways of ...)

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Dwarf!" at May 6, 96 02:32:27 pm > Well... this is kinda far-fetched, but Pale Saints did a remake of an > Opal song written by Kendra. And now it completely slips my mind as to > which one it is. > > By the way, speaking of Pale Saints, does anyone else agree with me that > Kinky Love is one of the best, if not THE best, 4AD songs of the '90s, if > not ever. I rank it WAY up there with the likes of Ivo, Another Day, > Telegram Sam and Swans on Glass as one of my 4AD faves of all time. > > > Strick9 I am not sure if I would be as bold to say that it is one of the best 4AD songs of the '90s because in actuality it is a cover. But I will agree it is one of those perfect pop songs with everything in the right place. Also, the song itself seems to be a bit out of character due to its erotic sound (i.e the whispered vocals, wah-laden guitars, echoed bass, etc.) The "In Ribbons" album and the associated eps had an overall downcast and bitter sound. Did Ian or Meriel decide to cover this song? And on a last note can anyone distinguish if the those solo parts are keyboards or processed guitar? I know there are least two guitars mixed, there is one that is jangly (probably meriel) and the other is the wah part. Though, the solo parts are so smooth and together that i think it can only be done by a synth but at other times it sounds like an extremely compressed guitar that is processed. If it is a guitar sound does anyone know how to create this type of signal? Adelbert You know if you though about it, don't let your imagination go too far, the song would be fit quite nicely in a porno flick or some sex scene. What are the lyrics by the way?

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 20:04:04 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: PALE SAINTS/OPAL


>>Isn't that Pale Saints song "Blue Flower"?<<

Pale Saints covered "Fell From The Sun" by Opal (Kendra Smith and Dave
"Doobage" Roback, now of Mazzy Star) on their 1989 "Comforts of Madness" LP.

They also covered "Blue Flower" which Mazzy Star also covered, which was
originally done by some obscure band that has been mentioned before.

There you go kids.

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 20:04:16 -0400
From: Jennifer Jamieson (Rmitchel5@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: music and TV


In a message dated 96-05-06 08:44:51 EDT, daniel k writes:

>  *come now, ms. phares. Kindred: The Embraced (TM) isnt all that
>         awful, is it?  Stoopid title for the show, and a few initial
>         episodes were a bit whack, but i think its getting better.

i'm not ms. phares but yes it IS that awful.  I hadn't noticed any
improvement either.  But then again there's not too much on tv that isn't
that awful.
jennifer


Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:05:52 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD short review


Sorry if I already posted this. It appears I initially sent it to the
some other list by accident.

On Sun, 5 May 1996, Dewdrops Records wrote:

> > Therefore I have the idea large parts of
> > Brendan Perrys solo-album are incorporated in this record.
>
> There's no way this can be true, because his solo stuff was
> quite guitar based folky,

If the solo album really has been scrapped, it's possible that the reason
for this was that it wasn't working stylistically. Maybe the songs were
salvaged and given new treatments.

> and it didn't sound like the kind of
> thing that would be considered standard Dead Can Dance
> material (his songs in Toward The Within, for example).

But that *was* Dead Can Dance material, remember. (Then again so were
Sanvean and Persian Love Song. Guess it's a matter of who wears the
pants...)

I'm curious: Is the album percussive in kind of an asskicking Mother
Tongue sort of way or in a fartsy sort of way like on the LG solo album?
(Not that I have anything against that.) And how long is the album, with
only eight songs?

Final question: What is the name of the bootleg that supposedly collects
the best off the rest of the bootlegs? Does this focus on songs that
don't appear on albums or just on the best performances?


 e

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:24:03 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'


On Mon, 6 May 1996, Scott Davies (295-7039) wrote:

> ok, so this is off topic... what does *wonderwall* refer to, as in
> the Oasis, George Harrison, and Icehouse musik...

It's a Welsh term for 'dental dam'. (For further details please refer to
entry under 'oomingmak'.)


 e


Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 19:34:23 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: The Great Area Scam


> >         Since this is the first of what I expect to be a long stream of hate
> > e-mail, I'm going to forget the whole lottery thing.

Why is it so difficult for some people to muster up the courage to
actually hold an auction? you would have made more money that way, and
the CDs would have sold for, by definition, what they are WORTH.

If that sort of thing causes you to lose sleep at night, you might have
just sent them to whichever of us had the most idle time (probably me, if
you were to ask one of the less resourceful subscribers here) i.e.
whoever happened to respond first because he was logged in when the
message was posted.

And there are so many other ways that aren't TACKY. Are you a member of
the Hafler Trio by any chance?

> there I go, being crazy again...
>
> Strick9

No, you're da man. Defender of all that is right and just at 4ad-l. My
hat off to you, sir.


 e

I love my FF.

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 23:07:31 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: what is 'wonderwall'/meanings...


In a message dated 96-05-06 16:58:34 EDT, you write:

>>ok, so this is off topic... what does *wonderwall* refer to, as in
>>the Oasis
>
>
>AUUUGHH!!! No no no no... _please_ don't mention Oasis (shutter) on this
>list! I'm feeling ill.
>
>

It's like asking "what the hell is a Kookaburra???"  don't ask....just enjoy
it.  either that or go to alt.music.oasis and ask..... as heileson stated...i
think Oasis is a bit off-topic here.

~blubelknol@aol.com


Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 05:19:11 +0200
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: Slowdive & Mojave



Well, after noticing that there's enough talk about Slowdive to fill a
warehouse on this list, I thought I'd post a small reminder about:

                                 "Avalyn"

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                               mailing list

    The Slowdive & Mojave 3 mailing list was made to cater for the
    discussions about the (no longer active) Creation band Slowdive
    and the (active) 4AD band Mojave 3 from the UK, as well as being
    a distribution list for the Internet Slowdive and Mojave 3
    Discographies.

    * To subscribe, unsubscribe, request digests, etc.
      E-mail: avalyn-request@lysator.liu.se

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    Discographies
    -------------
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  //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se)

 P.S. Funny to see that there has been a very lengthy discussion on
      the Scandinavian Indie mailing list about Stina Nordenstam lately...D.S.

Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 23:18:36 -0500
From: Pepe Garcia Camil (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Codeine


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