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Subject: Re: stereolab and lush/mojave/scheer interviews
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 00:56:26 +0000
From: Jamin Suwandi (jamin@VIVID.NET)
Subject: Underground Lovers - Rushall Station
Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 01:48:10 EST
From: David Boughey (dboughey@MGDESTMX01.ERIN.GOV.AU)
Subject: Split
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 21:57:23 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: VW song
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:16:38 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: I'm official!!!!
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:14:09 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: i'm official!
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:38:36 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Re: VW song
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 00:57:41 -0500
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Shaving the Irving Plaza 5/2/96
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 02:01:49 -0400
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins special on KSCU (Santa Clara, CA)
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 00:02:02 -0700
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Bad for my karma.
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 00:06:40 -0700
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: VW song
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 02:12:34 -0500
From: "Luis B. Abcede" (st5sd@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Dreampop list - Volume 16 - lush
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 00:41:53 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: VW song
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 03:15:08 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: stereolab and lush/mojave/scheer interviews
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 18:59:09 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: THE THIS RIMY LIMITED/Elvis
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 18:59:04 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: STP - Iriving Plaza
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:14:38 -0700
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: I'm official!!!!
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:47:28 -0400
From: captain dave (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: no opinion
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:41:36 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Split
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:19:05 -0700
From: Lab User (labuser@DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: VERBENA
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:19:46 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Music! Happy!
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 19:30:06 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Split
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:41:30 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bad for my karma.
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:02:30 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: Spooky
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:16:54 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Re: no opinion
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:55:53 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Music! Happy!
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 22:29:37 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Super31 & Closedown this Saturday 5/4 @ Moguls
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:42:14 -0700
From: "um.......call me the walrus" (rod@LOOP.COM)
Subject: Re: music and TV
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:54:53 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Whore Rankings
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 15:30:35 -0500
From: "Dominic M. Tolli" (tolli@UKRAINE.CORP.MOT.COM)
Subject: Re: The most off topic list...
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:30:15 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: music and TV
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:33:00 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: huh? (puzzled)
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:29:44 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: music and TV
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 15:23:29 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: The Stars (on ESP) we Are
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 15:11:47 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Windy & Carl in chicago
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 18:04:25 -0600
From: anaconda (anaconda@WWA.COM)
Subject: Re: Super31 & Closedown this Saturday 5/4 @ Moguls
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:02:59 -0700
From: Rocky Colavito (brettg@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Wire.....?
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 15:48:21 -0700
From: aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: stars on esp v23
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:39:04 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Cocteau Twins (Addicted to Noise Interview)
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 17:55:18 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: music and TV
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 21:09:49 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: music and TV
Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 03:20:52 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: stars on esp v23
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 22:10:36 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: music and TV
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 22:19:10 -0400
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re: Windy & Carl/Cure/Nearly God
Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 03:20:55 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 00:56:26 +0000
From: Jamin Suwandi (jamin@VIVID.NET)
Subject: Re: stereolab and lush/mojave/scheer interviews


I attended Lush gig last Tuesday (Mar 23) in Atlanta and I noticed
there was plenty of camcorders at work. Is it a possibility Lush will
released a live concert video in the near future? Also, can anyone
tell me what's the name of the song by Lush that appears on the VW
commercial?

Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 01:48:10 EST
From: David Boughey (dboughey@MGDESTMX01.ERIN.GOV.AU)
Subject: Underground Lovers - Rushall Station


Underground Lovers - Rushall Station 1996

My only other Underground Lovers CD is Leaves Me Blind (1992).  In comparison, I
think that the band is on the same subway, though this CD has more of an early
morning feel to it.  It was only after a few listens that the more lively tracks
such as In My Head and Takes You Back became apparent.

I didn't find a Your Eyes, but there are elements of Daze and Holiday.  At the
risk of generalisation, this has a more subdued feel.  The vocals are very much
on equal footing with the instruments, with intent and purpose to the melding,
making me want to understand as I listen.  At the moment that's the only way you
can get the lyrics - the notes inform me that the lyrics and related writing (60
pages) will be available for $20 (Aus) from June 96.

Although Philippa Nihill is no longer part of the group, her wonderful calm and
sad vocals can still be found on Song of Another Love and as backing on Rushall
Station, a track that creates some quiet warm moments.

My other favourites so far - Some Sweet Mourning - great high vocals full of
calm purpose and the memory of sorrow; and On&On&On&On - simple, elegant music
combined with clear vocals.

David Boughey
Charismatic Megafauna

Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 21:57:23 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Split


>And let's
>face it, if Lush had put out another Spookyish or Gala-like album some
>people would still be saying things like "It's just a second-rate rehash of
>Spooky" or  "It's boring and it's been done before why don't they move on?"

I just realized that even though I've been on this list for about a month, I
don't believe I've heard one mention of the Split album.  I heard it once and
thought it was okay, but put off buying it.  That was about two years ago, so I
doubt I'll ever buy it unless I find it used.  Was this album blacklisted from
discussion or was it just so bland that people don't care to discuss it anymore?
I own both Spooky and Gala (acquired in that order) and love them both, but from
Split and now Lovelife, it looks like Lush is on a steady progression down into
the murky commercial depths of pop stardom.

Jon

Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:16:38 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: VW song


>Also, can anyone
tell me what's the name of the song by Lush that appears on the VW
commercial?

Not sure, but I think it's Superblast.

Jon

Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:14:09 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: I'm official!!!!


Just wanted to brag about the fact that I now own Cocteau Twins "Garlands" and
This Mortal Coil "Blood".  I even found them used!!  I'd heard Garlands before
on tape, but had never experienced it on CD.  Wow.  I've been missing out for
way too long.  All the Cocteau Twins I owned previously was BlueBellKnoll,
Heaven or Las Vegas, and the cd single "Twinlights", which really bores me, but
it was only $2.  TMC's "Blood" is earth-shaking (appropriate since we just had
an earthquake here in Seattle this evening).  An added bonus is "You and your
Sister", with Kim Deal and Tanya Donnelly on vocals.  The Pixies were the first
4AD band I really got into, so this IS a treat.  I really enjoyed Kim's short
but sweet vocals on Ultra Vivid Scene's "Joy" as well.  What other 4AD albums
has she guest-starred on?

Listening in ecstasy to Deirdre Rutkowski...

Jon

Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:38:36 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: i'm official!


        I am officially worthy of being on this list.

Just wanted to brag about the fact that I now own Cocteau Twins "Garlands" and
This Mortal Coil "Blood".  I even found them used!!  I'd heard Garlands before
on tape, but had never experienced it on CD.  Wow.  I've been missing out for
way too long.  All the Cocteau Twins I owned previously was BlueBellKnoll,
Heaven or Las Vegas, and the cd single "Twinlights", which really bores me, but
it was only $2.  TMC's "Blood" is earth-shaking (appropriate since we just had
an earthquake here in Seattle this evening).  An added bonus is "You and your
Sister", with Kim Deal and Tanya Donnelly on vocals.  The Pixies were the first
4AD band I really got into, so this IS a treat.  I really enjoyed Kim's short
but sweet vocals on Ultra Vivid Scene's "Joy" as well.  What other 4AD albums
has she guest-starred on?

Listening in ecstasy to Deirdre Rutkowski...

Jon


Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 00:57:41 -0500
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: VW song


At 10:16 PM 5/2/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>Also, can anyone
>tell me what's the name of the song by Lush that appears on the VW
>commercial?
>
>Not sure, but I think it's Superblast.

Haven't we discussed this before?   It's...
...SWEETNESS AND LIGHT!!!

-zelzah.

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 02:01:49 -0400
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Shaving the Irving Plaza 5/2/96


        Well folks, just got back from the 4AD fest at
Irving Plaza, NYC, so I thought I'd share my thoughts
before I forget them all...

The show sold out and the idiots at Ticketmaster misprinted
 not only "Mojave 5" on the tickets but a door time of 8pm instead of the
correct
9pm, thus a huge line formed around the block almost back to
Union Square. Luckily I shared a pint with an acquaintance
from NYU at Pete's Tavern and spotted Rachel Goswell
and Neil Halstead from Mojave 3 at the table right next
to us.  I re-introduced myself to Rachel (I had met
her last time Slowdive played NYC at CBGBs
and had corresponded with her via email
for the interview in my Dreampop zine); she was polite
but looked tired from touring and stated "We're
having a meeting." So I just wished her luck
and welcomed them back to NYC.

First up Mojave 3. Great set, yet some fans still
insisted on yelling out requests for Slowdive tunes
like "Souvlaki Space Station" and "Alison"; "Wrong
band mate. Get it together," retorted Ms. Goswell.
Highlights of their set inlcluded a beautiful new
song played by Neil and Rachel along...a tune
about trying to figure out how to call up you current
mate and dumping them...of couse they filled it
with pathos and made it sad and winsome.
Hopefully they'll release it as a single soon, maybe
on the orchestrated "Mercy"? (is that out yet?)
They ended with a nice cover of Dylan's
"Queen Jane Approximately." Too short a set in
my opinion. Too many chatty people in the audience
too; I wanted to yell "HEY! There's a band on stage!"
An additional electric guitarist and keyboard
player fleshed out the live sound.

Scheer? I wanted to give them a chance, and they
weren't horrible but neither were they original.
I kept thinking in the back of my mind "I've heard
this somewhere else before...."

from the comments on the list. In fact, I liked this much
more than last year's Lush show at the Manhattan Ballroom.
More intimate, MUCH better sound. All the pre-"lovelife" songs
came off really well. Highlights for moi: "Light from a Dead Star";
"Kiss Chase"; "Lovelife"; "Undertow" (hearing Emma and Miki
harmonize on that tune live with their guitars churning  is probably
one of the few times one can get close to heaven on Earth.
I know that sounds like hyperbole, but I really dug it); and
"Sweetness and Light"; an encore with two songs I didn't
recognize closed off the show nicely. I guess "Ladykiller"
is a cute song....don't think it'll make me pick up
the new LP though.

Same light show as last year for Lush....but again, the sound quality was
so much better tonight at Irving Plaza.

Only bad point: some drunken jock in front of me
for most of Lush's set throwing off stupid remarks
like "God! THEY'RE SOOO HOT! (referring to Miki
and Emma)" and "DAMN, THAT HAIR COLOR SUITS
HER, DONTCHA THINK?!" I wanted to throttle
the bastard....

Anyways, all in all a really enjoyable evening.
If you're thinking of going, you should.
Hey, you get the free tape, so what the hell?
(although I'm sure most of you have the released
material already though).

Later,
-B
=====================================================
                                    Brendon Macaraeg
               http://www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~brendonm
    Finger macaragb@acf2.nyu.edu for my PGP Public Key


Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 00:41:53 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Dreampop list - Volume 16 - lush


    I read somewhere that there is a dreampop email list, could anyone
tell me how to subscribe?

     Is there a new Cure song on volume 16? And how is the lush song
"Half and Half" from vol. 16?

 I'm wondering how many tracks Lush actually recorded for Lovelife. Let
see....12(lovelife) + 14(b-sides) = 26 than add the volume song...27
and they are putting out a new single with even more songs? maybe 30
something? They worked their asses off on this one that's for sure. 30
songs, that's almost as many earings Miki has in her right ear.

                                            briaN,


Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 03:15:08 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: VW song


>At 10:16 PM 5/2/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>>Also, can anyone
>>tell me what's the name of the song by Lush that appears on the VW
>>commercial?
>>
>>Not sure, but I think it's Superblast.
>>
>>Jon
>>
>Nope, it's Sweetness and Light ... (I got it recorded ... I know dumb, eh?)

you know, if everyone would read ALL of their new mail before replying, we
wouldn't get so many repeated posts (e.g. this one and the everything's
gone green again post of a couple of months ago).  i know this is silly as
i've probably done it myself a couple of times, but for god's sake read
your mail before you fire off a reply!

slightly kranky tonight,

BiZ


Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 18:59:09 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: stereolab and lush/mojave/scheer interviews


>i am going to be interviewing stereolab on may 11 at their cincinnati
>show and was wondering if anyone had any particular questions that i
>should throw at them.  i'm also going to be interviewing lush, mojave,
>and scheer the day before -- i have an extensive list of my own
>questions, but feel free to add in questions for them as well if you
>like.  please respond privately...

>brian
>bgmutza@indiana.edu

ASK THEM ABOUT THE FREE CDs with The RIMY BOOK

*LOL*

later

Artc

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 18:59:04 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: THE THIS RIMY LIMITED/Elvis


>>My advice to people like Frank Brinkhuis and others who are waiting for
>>their LIMITED and obscured version of the  THIS RIMY RIVER... is to buy a
>>NORMAL copy so you can tell what you're looking at in the book.
>
>He Artc, it was just a joke! If you check LOG9510 of the 4AD-L you'll see
>that around October the 5th 1995 I've posted all details about the ltd.
>edition to the 4AD-L myself! (long before they became part of the FAQ...)
>
>
>>does the free CD have "previously unreleased tracks by Elvis"???
>
>No, unfortunately not (there are TWO free CD's, by the way).
>However, 4AD will soon re-release an old 1957 Rhythm & Blues hit (THIS IS
>TRUE!!). I hope that'll make up for you.
>
>
>Frank

you must be immune to sarcasm mate.....: )

later

Artc


Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:14:38 -0700
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: STP - Iriving Plaza


I showed up late (thank goodness!) around  10:00pm.  I can't stand around to wat
h a band
like Mojave 3, so I stayed at the bar and ignored them, and ended up ignoring sc
eer also, with
occasional glances to the TV montitor over the bar to see the lead singer jumpin
 up and down.

        But Lush finally came, but unfortunately for only an hour or so.  I wish
it was just Lush
like the last tour.  They played a good mix of old and new, and kept the show fa
rly upbeat (no
Desire Lines or the like), but it wasn't quite the same as last time.  Maybe bec
use they had the
attitude that they had made it, although miki smiled throughout the whole show a
d seemed to
enjoy being there.  Great green sequin dress, too.

        But the show became complete clear when they played demystification -- m
ybe three people
and the audience (myself included) still were dancing.  The rest of them just st
od there
scratching their heads....

        Alex


Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:47:28 -0400
From: captain dave (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: I'm official!!!!


On Thu, 2 May 1996, Jon Drahn wrote:
>  I'd heard Garlands before on tape, but had never experienced it on CD.
>  Wow.  I've been missing out for way too long.

i'll admit, i'm almost deaf, but when i did have full use of my auditory
organs i still couldn't *really* tell the difference between
tape/cd/vinyl. if anything, vinyl has always had a more "real" sound.
tapes can easily get fucked up/broken, but when new sound just as good as
anything else. when i buy stuff, i prefer vinyl because it's cheaper and
takes up less space (when you've got hundreds, it really does take up less
space) but usually what i want is only available in one format; cd. i'm
glad though, that some labels keep vinyl alive.....plus it's a form of art!
which brings this whole post back to this-listy-land: v23!
laters
dave, who will from here on out call himself dinexile and summon the
wrath of gods for actually contributing something to society.
desarg@Mail.wm.edu


Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:41:36 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: no opinion



oh boy obnoxiously opinionated and condescendingly insulting
what a combo!


Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:19:05 -0700
From: Lab User (labuser@DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Split


Personally, I really don't understand all this bashing regarding Lush,
and also the "New Wave" of 4AD.  Lush's two best album's, in my opinion,
are "Gala" and "Split".  Split is so personal and beautiful.  And in
regards to Lush becoming more accessible and changing their
sound....well...Lush sounded a hell of a lot like "Lovelife" when I first
saw them in 1989.  I think "Spooky" is the most
pretentious-we-only-sound-this-way-cause-the-guy-from-the-Cocteaus-is-producing-
s peice of garbage that ever floated through the land o' 4AD.
And, I also really enjoy "Lovelife".  When I bought it, I wasn't
expecting anything, so when I heard it, I heard it as a "good pop album"
(which may be bad to most of you), not as a "I hope this will out-do
'Spooky'!" type album.  I totally agree with that one person who said
that if Lush had come out with another "Spooky" than people would be
complaining, too.  We can't all be satisfied people!  Okay, well, I'm
really excited to go see them live again, and I'm going to be up in front
for all three bands.

Matt

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:19:46 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: VERBENA


Heyall!!!

For those on this list that have expressed an interest in Verbena
before....straight from the horse's mouth...

Verbena just finished an album just finished an album with producer Dave
Fridmann (Flaming Lips) that will come out October 1 via Merge/Touch & Go and
Setanta for the rest of the world.

And if you have the chance you can catch them doing their dirty  poppy deeds
at the following venues...

May 8     Brownie's (w/ Fred Schneider)     NYC
May 9  Pyatt St. Down Under   Youngstown, OH
May 10 Green Room    Ypsilanti, MI
May 11 Lounge Ax (w/ Pulsars/Versus)    Chicago
May 12 The Globe     Milwaukee, WI
May 14 Cicero's (w/Eric's Trip/#1 Cup)   St. Louis, MO
May 15 KCOU/Univ. Campus   Columbia, MO
May 16 The Hurricane    Kansas City, Mo
May 17 Barrister's     Memphis, TN

May 29 The Nick (w/ The Grifters)  B'ham, AL
June 8 Zydeco     B'ham, AL
June 15 City Stages festival   B'ham, AL

Bye,

Ry


Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 19:30:06 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Music! Happy!


I've been kinda down on music lately.  I don't quite know why, but it
has all made me go "ehh...  this is ok...  I guess..."  I'm usually a
raving lunatic about music, so this was getting a bit depressing.  I
almost put it down to all music being crap nowadays.  I can't even
force myself to think that "Almost God" is brilliant!

But today I bought 3 (three) things that are absolutely *fab*, so it's
probably just me.

Kristin Hersh - The Holy Single

I have been looking for this one all over the place, so today I
natcherally found it at a sale.  Whee!  Hersh does four songs on
guitar while she sings.  Which makes this one sound painfully tinny,
of course.  It does manage to put me in a christmassy mood, which is a
mood I adore, so I *love* this album.  Of course, I would like
anything Hersh did, so I'm probably disqualified here.  I like the
Muses versions of "Amazing Grace" and "Sinkhole" better though, but
they're still great.

Orbital - The Box

This one is spooky.  And beautiful.  It's a 28 minute soundtracky
thing that's divided into four parts.  Sounds like it could make a
fun horror movie.  Parts of it is really stupendously beautiful.
Other parts of it is just fun.  And the rest it groovy.  I was
slightly disappointed by the last Orbital single -- Times Fly, or
whatever it was called.  This one is as good as anything on the brown
album.   Happy happy!

Tortoise

I don't know what this album's called, but it's grey and blue.  I had
expected them to sound like Stereolab with a vibraphone for some
reason.  (Why?)  They don't sound like that at all, but I'm not
disappointed.  A very neat-o-kean-o album -- atmospherical and nice.
No vocals, just drifting sounds and melodies here and there.  (Not to
be classified as "ambient", though.)  Mmmm.  Have they released other
stuff that I have to own?

--
  "Yes.  The journey through the human heart
     would have to wait until some other time."

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:41:30 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Split


On Fri, 3 May 1996, Lab User wrote:

> pretentious-we-only-sound-this-way-cause-the-guy-from-the-Cocteaus-is-producin
-us peice of garbage that ever floated through the land o' 4AD.


*by the way, has it been confirmed that 'spooky' was one of the producing
 jobs that robin guthrie did solely for drugs and/or drug money?
 The only other one(s) i can think of would be 'candleland' (the song.
 did he produce that one?) and/or 'heaven's gate'. Ian McCulloch is
 reputed to be the ultimate grand wizard of coke snorting. so who in
 the lush posse is a cokehead?


Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:02:30 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: Bad for my karma.


>Just thought I'd rub in that I just got Slowdive's 5ep for 4.99 at a
>local indie store.  Couldnt' believe my eyes.  What's the going rate
>for this thing anyways?

    If you like ambient music like saw II from AFX go and buy it.
Though i guess the 5ep is incipient comparign to great ambient bands
like seefeel, spacetime continuum, spectrum, aphex twin, etc.
    The 5ep remixes are cool!

        Wilder.

maybe it's because the maya
around you, get away from
it!

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:16:54 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Spooky


> I think "Spooky" is the most
> pretentious-we-only-sound-this-way-cause-the-guy-from-the-Cocteaus-
> is-producing-us peice of garbage that ever floated through the land o' 4AD.


Wow, you sure know how to get my blood pumping.... Your comment had made
me physically ill, but hey, opinions opinions.... we are all entitled,
right? It's just that yours seems to suck in this case.

_Bri No Hard Feelings? :|


Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:55:53 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: no opinion


On Fri, 3 May 1996, Joseph Burns wrote:

> re: more drivel from e
>
> oh boy obnoxiously opinionated and condescendingly insulting
> what a combo!


  mmm..mmm..good! gotta luv that stuff...

  k

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 22:29:37 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Music! Happy!


>Tortoise
>I don't know what this album's called, but it's grey and blue.

"Millions Now Living...", maybe?


>I had expected them to sound like Stereolab with a vibraphone for some
>reason.  (Why?)

Yes indeed, WHY!! Ever heard of Slint, Squirrel Bait, Bastro and Shrimp
Boat? The guys who are now in Tortoise where making music long before the
Stereolab's members' mums and dads had met each other (so to speak).
It's rather weird that so many people think Tortoise are some kind of
Stereolab rip-off.
Hey, try: Rachels, Rodan, 5Style, Seam, Tel Aviv, Sea And Cake, Gastr Del
Sol, June Of 44, The For Carnation, Codeine (and other things with Brad Wood
or John McEntire involved).


>Have they released other stuff that I have to own?

Full discography:
7" 'Mosquito' (Torsion)
7" 'Lonesome Sound' (Thrill Jockey)
LP/CD 'Tortoise' (Thrill Jockey)
LP/CD 'Rhythms, Clusters & Resolutions' (Thrill Jockey)
12" 'Gamerea' (Duophonic)
7" 'Why We Fight' (Soul Static)
LP/CD 'Millions Now Living Will Never Die' (Thrill Jockey)
7" split single with Stereolab (Duophonic)
12" 'Djed (Remix)' (Thrill Jockey) IS THIS OUT YET????

ALL worth to have.

Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:42:14 -0700
From: "um.......call me the walrus" (rod@LOOP.COM)
Subject: Super31 & Closedown this Saturday 5/4 @ Moguls


GO!

moguls is located at 1650 Schrader Blvd in Hollywood, 2 blocks west of
cahuenga, just south of hollywood blvd.  (It think the street was
recently changed to Schrader, so it might not be on older tomas guides,
just thought you should know)

call 213.465.7449 if you need more info.


later,
Rodney


Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:54:53 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: music and TV


There's also:
This Mortal Coil for Santa Fe Cologne
Cocteau Twins for an airline company (I never heard this one)
Stephin Merritt for The Adventures of Pete & Pete
A Coors radio commercial featuring the "hot new band" Scheer

How does this happen? I think it's usually as simple as
"cash".

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 15:30:35 -0500
From: "Dominic M. Tolli" (tolli@UKRAINE.CORP.MOT.COM)
Subject: Whore Rankings


        Well, time for me to chime in with my thoughts, brief
as they may be, on the Wire tribute album, _Whore_ (giving me
the excuse for a fun Subject: line).  I've owned it for about
a month, and I still quite enjoy it.  I'd agree that it's
uneven, but it's certainly great in spots and definitely of
interest to list members.  I guess I'll rely on classification
for the moment:

Enthusiastic and Traditional
   Lush--Mannequin (lalalalala lalala lalala lalala lalaaaaah...)
   The Ex-Lion Tamers (they must be a cover band)--On Returning
   Fudge Tunnel--Lowdown
   Lee Ranaldo--Fragile (Sonic Youth's guitarist has fun for a minute)

Pretty Good, But Just That
   Resolution--It's A Boy (nice throbbing version)
   aMiniature--A Serious of Snakes
   Scanner--Eardrum Buzz (not as poppy as the original)
   The Petty Tyrants--Our Swimmer (it's OK, but nothing new)
   Transformer--Outdoor Miner (yet another version--can anything top
      the FSA take on this tune?)
   Main--Used To (not as well known, but a good electronic version)

What Were They Thinking?
   Kustomized--A Question of Degree (sacriligious rawk version)
   Chris Connelly--A Mutual Friend (simple and smirking)
   Spasm--12XU (deconstructs this classic badly, and I don't care if
      Martin Atkins is involved)
   Mike Watt--The 15th (this sounds so tired, but the guitarfest at
      the end is pretty cool)

Just Different and Distinctive Enough To Be Wonderful!
   Godflesh--40 Versions (they have the plodding riff down pat!)
   Band Of Susans--Ahead (I was expecting an over-the-top guitarfest, and
      instead got a wonderful, mannered, gradual exploration of the band's
      big comeback single)
   Bark Psychosis--Three Girl Rhumba (welcome return to the style of
      their beloved _Hex_ album with this inversion of the song, which
      was necessary after Elastica appropriated the famous riff for
      "Connection"--even BP makes fun of this fact in the liner notes)
   Laika--German Shepherds (way cool--the usual Laika treatment)
   Carl Marks--Eastern Standard (this kinda abstract one's out there...)
   Polar Bear--Being Sucked In (Again)
   My Bloody Valentine--Map Ref 41N 93W (a magnificent return to form!)

        More on that Bark Psychosis version--imagine the _Hex_
rhythm and piano, add a dash of Dr. Dre (that silly synth during
the bridges) and convince Barry White to do the vocals, and
you've got their unique take on 3GR.  The Kustomized and Mike
Watt tunes aren't all THAT bad, but I could easily skip them.
The Spasm track, however, is one I simply cannot warm up to.
Finally, buy it for the MBV track--it's fab.
        Oh, and that WMO (Wire Mail Order) address again:


        Makes me really want to pick up the _Behind The Curtain_
collection of demos & live stuff, too.  So much for being brief.
        Finally, a last note for the Chicago ListFolk:  going to
the Lush/Mojave/Scheer show?  How about the Stereolab show the
next night?  I am--and in the latter case, I simply must get my
paws on one of them tour singles.  Anyway, if you're attending
either show, e-mail or call me....

Nick

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Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:30:15 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: The most off topic list...


>Chris Limb adds his tuppenceworth:
>Perhaps so, but to tell the truth I do quite enjoy SOME of the off topic
>threads as long as they don't go on too long.  Healthy and stimulating
>debate and discourse if you ask me.  Wasn't too keen on the recent
>"President's" thread, but there you go...
>
>Now please don't go starting an off-topic thread about how off topic the list
>is getting!  That would be ridiculous.

I _totally_ agree.

However, I just have to put in my two cents and say that anyone with half a
brain can see that it's *obvious* that cats are a lot smarter than dogs.

;)

Jake 

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:33:00 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: music and TV


On Fri, 3 May 1996, Jamin Suwandi wrote:

>  Also, can anyone
> tell me what's the name of the song by Lush that appears on the VW
> commercial?
>

Yep - it's Sweetness and Light. (My all time fav) What a trip it was to
hear that while innocently watching Letterman a few months ago. Quite
strange.

This brings up an interesting thing that's been bugging me for a l o n g
of a better word) "our" music for their very non-appropriate purposes?
It's really a mystery to me - so baffling to the point that it makes me
very upset and sick sometimes... I've recorded a few instances for your


-New Order on ESPN
-Sundays for Budweiser
-Ride for Nike
-Luna for Calvin Klein (that's not too out there)
-Brian Eno for "Fox Under the Helmet" (something they play during
 commercials of 90210 and Melrose. Like football players preaching against
 violence-is that an oxy moron or what?)

THE REAL SIGNS OF THE END OF THE WORLD:

-my bloody valentine for Nickelodeon
-lush for VolksWagen


AND NOW, ALL YOU LISTIES, ARE YOU READY FOR THIS ONE? (I swear that I am
not lying here...)

- A COCTEAU TWINS SONG ON _BAYWATCH_ !!!!!!!
 seriously. It was during some fucking awful underwater dreamy montage
 with Pamela Bimbo From Hell Anderson swimming around to Liz's angelic
 singing. The song was rather old and I couldn't identify it. It was
 like some music video from hell.

How does this happen?????
_Bri I Am Confused


Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:29:44 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: huh? (puzzled)

              16:02:30 -0400

As i sit here scratching my head, i wonder--is it just me or have there been a
lot of posts recently that have everyone else befuddled too?  Sometimes, i
understand the words but fail to see the relation to the quoted material.  Other
times i don't even understand the point at all.

e.g.,

>   >Just thought I'd rub in that I just got Slowdive's 5ep
>   for 4.99 at a
>   >local indie store.  Couldnt' believe my eyes.  What's
>   the going rate
>   >for this thing anyways?
>
>       If you like ambient music like saw II from AFX go
>   and buy it. Though i guess the 5ep is incipient
>   comparign to great ambient bands like seefeel, spacetime
>   continuum, spectrum, aphex twin, etc.     The 5ep
>   remixes are cool!

incipient?  (that is a word, but it doesn't fit here)
perhaps, "insipid" or "incidental"?
Does the response have anything to do with the question?

Although, i love the nonsense verse of Lewis Carroll, i somehow expect the posts
to 4AD-L to at least be as comprehensible as them.  Lately, i've been
disapointed.

-cz

>   PS: bad for your karma?
>   maybe it's because the maya
>   around you, get away from it!

Um, sorry!  All the world including yourself is Maya, therefore the only way to
"get away from it" would be through dissolution of the self and enlightenment.
Yeah, go for it!

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 15:23:29 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: music and TV


>
> How does this happen? I think it's usually as simple as
> "cash".
>

Actually... In many cases, it's the company contacting the label asking
permission to use the song in their commercial, movie (Mama Told Me Not
to Come very nearly ended up in Cable Guy) etc.

In other cases, like Scheer, it's this clever concept used to sell
records called "Marketing".

I know what you're thinking," how DARE 4AD compromise it's artists in
order to give them recognition and perhaps sell a few albums?!?!?!?"
Guess it's a dog eat dog, or, in 4AD's case, dog eat pheasant (corny
album cover reference) world out there.

call me crazy...

no, PLEASE, call me crazy.

Strick9

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 15:11:47 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: The Stars (on ESP) we Are


I don't know how many people have gotten a chance to listen to this album
yet, but I must say it is the best I have EVER heard from His Name is
Alive.  Stars on ESP is totally solid, and even better, it's seamless.
The songs that struck me on first listen were What Are You Wearing
Tomorrow and Bad Luck Girl.  The Bees is pretty nifty too.

Oh, by the way, for those fans of artists no longer on 4AD, Ian Masters
and Mark Kozelek both appear on this album.  I don't know the official
release date, but I believe it will be sometime around the 27th of May.

*grin*

Strick9
- - - - - - - - - -                                       - - - - - - - - - -

All is fair in love they say           |        I could close my eyes and be
                        Liars! Liars!  |     Someplace better
I found only easily                    |         Fairy tales and fantasy
                        Love is cruel  |     That's the world . . .   for me.

 - - - - - - - - -                                         - - - - - - - - -
                                           beswick@scf.usc.edu

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 18:04:25 -0600
From: anaconda (anaconda@WWA.COM)
Subject: Windy & Carl in chicago


In case any of you haven't seen this already:

Quaker Goes Deaf:  1937 W. North / Chicago, IL / (312) 252-9334
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
May 11 Sa   *Windy & Carl in-store performance // 4:00 FREE


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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I can say that I will but I won't, I can say that I do but I don't, I can
say that I feel but there's nothing to feel, just a strange kind of nothing
that used to be me.....Cure 1996
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:02:59 -0700
From: Rocky Colavito (brettg@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Super31 & Closedown this Saturday 5/4 @ Moguls


>
> moguls is located at 1650 Schrader Blvd in Hollywood, 2 blocks west of
> cahuenga, just south of hollywood blvd.  (It think the street was
> recently changed to Schrader, so it might not be on older tomas guides,
> just thought you should know)

This place is pretty neat. I saw Combustible Edison there a couple of
weeeks ago. They have a theater and play movies. Pretty easy to find. it
is just north of sunset on what used to be Schrader.

Brett

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 15:48:21 -0700
From: aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Wire.....?


You wrote:
>
>Anybody on this list interested in Wire, or more specifically the
tribute
>compilation that came out recently with covers from Lush and MBV? I
>haven't got it yet, but hear it is very excellent, especially if you
are
>a wire fan. Under it's review in CMJ, they said "recommended if you
like
>Laika or MBV".
>
>Anyone care?
>
>_Bri
>
>
>PS. Making coffee, eh? how about Medicine. I consider coffee medicine,
>and I certainly need my daily dose.....then I'm "wired". Wow. Bad pun.
sorry.
>

WIRE worth while?  c'mon, without a doubt none of the pseudo punk bands
out there today would not have the appeal of the masses if someone
hadn't been there first.  lewis and the gang are an incredible moving
force in music and many artists today sight them as an influence.
Yes, I'm a hardcore WIRE fan, and for those you interested give the
side project, He Said  is incredible especially the
track "Get out of the Rain"  well okay i'm not an encyclopedia and all
of my CDs, 3500+ are inboxes having just moved so I couldn't look up
the exact name of the track but the track starts with someone yelling
Get Out of the Rain.  as if anyone cares about my rambling.  okay i
shut up now.  euthelene, who didn't get out of the rain and am wringing
out my undies


Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:39:04 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: stars on esp v23


  at this point, i'm more interested in what the artwork is
  going to be like. anyone know?


  still waiting for an hnia super deluxxe edition lp,
  k

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 17:55:18 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Cocteau Twins (Addicted to Noise Interview)


For those without web access.....


..............................................................................
.....................................................


East is East and West is West And Here the Twins Shall Meet

They've been called ambient, new age, conventional and just plain weird. But
what do the Cocteau Twins think about themselves?

By Jennie Ruggles

     "They do fabulous buns at their little tea house," says Robin Guthrie
munching on a monstrous American version of a finger sandwich in the oval
office at Capitol Records. The guitarist and composer of the Cocteau Twins
is telling me about a visit to Stonehenge, which apparently you can't see up
close even for the entrance fee of five pounds (about $8).

"What happens is there is a fence so if you pay the five pounds you can go
to the other side of the fence. You get exactly the same view but it's the
other side," says Robin.

"Was Julian Cope there?" quips vocalist Elizabeth Fraser from the head of
the table. Her speciality is dropping little gems on the conversation and
then guilelessly ducking out.

"Smoking a very large spliff?" adds Simon Raymonde. Contrary to previous
reports, the red-headed (on this occasion) Simon is very forthcoming. Now he
tells me that while Julian Cope's new rock autobiography, Head On, is a good
book, Cope is not at all a nice person. Speculation flies round that he may
be a new ager--A sore point to the Cocteau Twins, since a common misnomer
for their music is new age.

"That part of England (Stonehenge) is really strange," says Robin, who like
the rest of the band grew up in Scotland and records primarily at their
studio in Twickenham, England. "There's lots of crusties, new agers. People
who don't wash and defraud their social security, and you don't want them
bringing their caravans next to your house."

Roughly shaven Robin is nearly impossible to hear, muffled speech made more
unintelligible by a large silver ball that pierces the central frenulum of
his tongue. One can judge the quality of the conversation by his pitch.
While conversation circles the toilet bowl, Robin's voice is barely audible,
but if the subject turns promising he becomes slightly more understandable.

For talk of the Cocteau Twins ouvre, Robin sits up. They have a few things
to explain about the implications of the Twins contract with Capitol.
Questions about their genre have been bandied about, mainly by critics who
say their music straddles ambient and new age.

"Five years ago an ambient record and a new age record were very different,"
says Robin pointing to their 1986 record with Harold Budd and Brian Eno,
Moon and the Melodies, an album which Robin has called "a turkey" and which
is described in the Trouser Press Record Guide as "firmly entrenched in new
age..." "Ambient records, I feel a lot are very pallatable," Robin
continues. "New age records, I think, suck. It's just a definition of terms,
but that definition wasn't even there ten years ago when we made Moon and
the Melodies."

Fifteen years ago, when the Cocteau Twins made their first album, Garlands
(1982), they were defined as neither ambient nor new age. Rather, the terms
were largely personal, which paradoxically attracted a disparate set of fans
to their music. The transcendent language of Fraser's lyrics dispensed with
conventional meaning, opting instead for lyricism and evocativeness, even if
it seemed nonsensical. Lyrics suggested strings of words such as "chaplets
see me drugged/I could die in the rosary." But, since lyric sheets were
never included, one couldn't know for sure.


Album after album, the trio's defining feature was the lack of traditional
lyrics and the absence of any explanation. So naturally, when some lyrics
showed up on 1993's Four Calendar Cafe, there was talk that the Cocteau
Twins had caved to convention. In 1996, what will people think now that Milk
and Kisses clearly has lyrics for songs such as "Rilkean Heart?"

"It doesn't concern me," says Fraser fervently, her short hair accentuating
a long thin neck held very straight. "It musn't be something that does
concern me because it will affect what I do, and I don't want to be affected
by that, because it will interrupt whatever's going on, and I guess I'm
afraid of losing whatever it is that we have."

"The great irony is we moved from 4AD, this sort of iconoclastic label and
moved to this new arena and it just so happened that we were going through
an awful lot of shit at the time that Liz needed to write about," says
Simon. "Coincidentally we happened to be on a major label at the time, and
so people went 'oh well that's why. They're on a major label, therefore
she's singing them lyrics because they want to sell records.'"

"Even at 4AD there was sort of gentle encouragement for Liz to sing lyrics,"
adds Robin.

"Oh yeah of course," says Fraser. "Equally there were people saying 'please
don't do it any other way, otherwise it will be spoiled and what I get from
your music will be taken away from me and I don't want to lose it.'"

The mystery of the unknown lyrics combined with the simulateously sparse and
rich texture of the Cocteau Twins sound has always been compelling, and
demystifying the music might be like seeing the little blustering man in Oz
behind the Wizard. The concept that beauty is tied to the unknown dates back
to the poet Rilke, who wrote at length about this idea. It's an irony not
lost on Fraser, whose song "Rilkean Heart" more openly refers to her
personal terrain than ever before.


"Rilkean Heart," from the upcoming Capitol release Milk and Kisses, is an
expression of some of the "shit" that Fraser has gone through since their
last album. Fraser and Robin, parents of six year old Lucy Belle, have
split, a result of some changes that shook the foundations of their
relationship. When Robin went into treatment for drug and alcohol abuse,
Fraser also came face to face with unsavory parts of her life that had taken
a toll. After some time, both of them recovered. Now Fraser says "I have
much more of a sense of self. [In the past] I just gave it all away--just to
any man in my life."

Fraser's conflict sheds a little light on the reason for her erstwhile
secret language. "It makes perfect sense to me," she says. "In retrospect I
think I coped as best I could with being a human being in a world full of
other human beings that I was disconnected from," she says giving a slightly
veiled answer.

As someone who is accustomed to conveying meaning without words per se,
Fraser is skilled at keeping the words she chooses to use close to the
chest. The Cocteau Twins are not unlike the Romulans of "Star Trek." Both
owe their longevity in part to their effective cloaking devices. So don't
expect the full annals of Liz Fraser's growth in a book of self disclosure.
The rumor that she wrote an autobiography to be called Service and The Trees
summoned only guffaws all around the table.

Although the lyrics now tell more about Fraser, she is still keenly self
protective, and especically when it comes to her art. MTV came to blows with
the Cocteau Twins a few years ago when they made the mistake of demanding a
copy of her lyrics for the 'Iceblink Luck" video in 1990. The company was
paranoid about backward masking of satanic messages, while Fraser was wary
for other reasons. "I wouldn't let them see the lyrics. I was paranoid that
these lyrics would be duplicated, sent to various people all over the
country."

McCarthy's ghost still lingering, the lyrics might have incriminated the
band. But MTV would first have had to make sense of them, which anyone could
see, is an absolutely ludicrous proposition. "Yes. I suggest to you,
Elizabeth Fraser, that you did use the word 'walnut!'" Simon pronounces in a
booming voice of authority. The problem is mute, in any case, because Fraser
is known to spontaneously change the lyrics.

One really never knew what she might be saying, and at times apparently
neither did she. "I was making portementos, a French word for when you take
different components and mix them up to make a different thing out of them,"
explains Fraser. "Often they're transcendent sounds, sometimes they're not.
Sometimes I'll see a word and I'll love it so much I don't want to change
it. But I don't know what the translation of the word would be and so I will
use it with a little bit of fear in my voice just in case I'm singing
'sausage' and I'm offending a vegetarian," she says laughing quietly.

"Well anyway, it's true. If you play it (the song) backwards you can hear,
'Other people. who fucking needs them?'" says Robin, who seems to be having
some trouble being at all serious.

He gets serious enough though around the subject of death. "Yes I've been
close to death, many times," he says rubbing his face with both his hands,
his voice hushed. "OD'ing and coming to and the first thing you think about
is getting more drugs. That definitely takes you to a very spiritual place.
It's not something I want to go back to."

Fraser watches Robin. While he talks, she is thinking of death on a more
symbolic plane. "Recording, writing is full of birth and death, the whole
cycle," she says. "You have a birth, a death, and a birth again. I get a
sense of that when we record and when a song is being written."

Does this mean there's grief when a project is finished? I ask. "Yes,
there's lots of grief," Robin says glibly. "Usually from the record
company."

Cloaking devices on! By way of explanation for his offhandedness, Robin says
they prefer not to disclose the details of their lives in tabloid morbidity
because he says, "We don't really promote ourselves, we promote our music. A
lot of people use music as a vehicle to get themselves where they want to
go."

This is an oddity here in the US of A where the cult of personality reigns
over rock and roll. Image and looks are part of the package and an element
of the attraction.

The Cocteau Twins reputation for insularity is, to say the least, no
exageration; a fact I'm well aware of since for years I scoured the albums
in vain for any clues about these people. I didn't even know what Elizabeth
Fraser looked like until I finally saw a video in 1990.

"I don't know what most of the people I listen to look like," offers Fraser.
The Cocteau Twins, who refused to sign autographs up until about five years
ago, ("We didn't want to feel like they [the fans] were less important than
we are," says Fraser) except that the cult of personality is not their cup
of tea. To this end, they expect their fans might feel the same. They also
hope the listener's sensiblity will expand along with the band's. But alas,
this is not always the case. Some traditionalists stick by the first album
Garlands.

About this Robin says, "I'm much more tolerant now, but a couple of years
ago if you had said that Garlands was your favorite I would've been
thinking, 'God you're pathetic.' Because the type of people who follow us,
as we got older and grew, these people didn't, and at concerts they'd still
shout 'Wax & Wane!' I would think the world was passing them by a little
bit," he says mildly. "I'd like to melt down all the old records to make a
new one. My old theory was you had to trade in all your old Cocteau Twins
records to get the new one, therefore you move with the band and you don't
get stuck."

Simon adds that if the band had not continued to grow, he would have thrown
in the towel. As it turns out, the Cocteau Twins have never seemed stymied,
stagnant or stuck.


Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 21:09:49 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: music and TV


On Friday May 3, 1996  (Brian James Heileson) pointed out the following:

>-Sundays for Budweiser
>-Ride for Nike
>-Luna for Calvin Klein (that's not too out there)

Interestingly enough here's the following story for relevence sakes--

I'm delivering mail in a not so, shall we say, "nice" area in the middle of
july last summer.  I'm at the end of my day (off the perverbial clock mind
you) with an empty mail-bag and a relieved sense of daily closure ;) It is
late in the afternoon and it is a bit temperate and humid outside, "damn
relentless heat and moisture" I grumble to myself.  I'm walking slowly to my
truck, beat from another day of pounding ohio heat and ms. (85 years old and
going strong) parker's annoying cries of "where's my BULBS!" (I'm assuming
she's referring to her fall annuals, but one can never be too sure) I find
myself approaching a seedy bar entitled "sparky's pub".  I have passed,
rather quickly, many times before.  I have never set foot in there, for the
reasons of scared-shitless local banter, warnings from the daily police
reports in the local newspaper, and the obligatory 30 motorcycles which on a
given point on a given day (including mother's day) that adorn the front curb
of this establishment.  However, today I'm feeling brave (ie. stupid) and
decide to parch my dry-as-a-desert mouth.  No cautious clause pops up in my
head on this day, no flashback visions of the locals recounting stories that
go "Don't go in there...y'know they eat people live in there (and that's
after the twenty hours of humiliation and toture)."  or my favorite as told
by a little 5 year-old boy named jimmy who one day told me (pointing to
sparky's) "remember resevoir dogs and the policeguys ear?"
That's enough to scare the shit out of anyone and coincidentally 98% of the
population. {yes, this is a fact, I looked it up and did a personal survey}
Anyway, my mind was in regression.  And fear, for some odd reason, did not
enter into the equation of tossing down a nice cool one.  I turn the corner
of the entrance---and let myself in.


whoa.  gulp (!)


45 (grown) men,  20 former women, and 2 unsure of's, stop what they're doing
and look directly into my weary, bedazzled eyes, framed by a sweaty brow and
flushed cheeks.  The music stops instantly, the needle scraped rudely off the
record "v v v rrrripppp!"  it says to me.  I must've missed the faded dress
code sign above the door that said 'no black leather, no black boots, no
tattoos -- NO SERVICE!'
Because, lemme level with you, everybody was being served if you catch my
drift.
Remarkably I am not phased.  Not a bit.  It must've been the heat and the
lack of neurons connecting that day.  Who knows?
I move (walk) lethargically up to the bar, barely noticing the scan of the 67
odd people detailing my every shuffled step.  I plop my weary ass on the
cracked red vinyl seat of the barstool and blow air audibly out of my mouth,
expressing the exhaustion I'm feeling at that moment; a culmination of the
day's work I put in.  The first person to move is a bald large mass of a man
(pushing 300 sans permanent leather garb)  that due to his position behind
the bar, I'm assuming is the bartender.   I don't wait for him to say
anything, and promptly order a beer.  He squints his eyes and leans into
me--leaving two inches between my nose and his and says, "we were having a
Fucking conversation here, before YOU walked in!"
God.  His voice surprisingly echoed with regal (james earl jones) authority
in this small establishment.
"Yes."  I managed.
"WELL." he begins again, pungent alcohol and a lifelong addiction to
everything deep fried rolls off of his breath.
"We wanna know what you gotta say for yourself !"
"...what...I mean, o.k." I stammer, and swallow.
"Goddammit, don't o.k. me boy!" it yells.
Jeez.  what was I thinking?  All's I wanted was a beer I told me.  Well ( I
continued to scold myself) now you got your non-leather wearing butt in a
real jam...what next??
"uhmm.  yes sir." I say.
"That's fuckin' better." he says sternly.
I look around- the rest of the pack is slowly moving in.  Oh me, oh my.  The
stories are true!!  Gotta remain calm.  It's the only way.
I start to speak feeling the edge of my voice crackle, "What do you, um, want
to know?"
He gets even closer to my face (which was all too close for comfort) and then
backs off, folding his arms on his chest and says,







"We were discussing the impact of the recent television spots for the popular
alcoholic beverage Budweiser and their decision, either independently or
collectively, to include music by the wonderfully atmospheric and folk
English outfit the Sundays,  into some of their advertising.  Do you feel
this is a decision based on Ms. Harriet Wheeler's and Mr. Gavurin's need for
some additional funds due to the recent addtion to their family? - Or - Do
you feel that anheiser-busch and the sundays both felt that their music was
synonymous with beer consumption?"

my mind was blank.  note my surprise here (which words *cannot* describe)

My mouth (which was already instinctively gaped open) began and replied, "I
think it...um...er... was a financially stressed time for them, and that due
to that ...um...that's why they agreed to do it."

The bartender smiled and nodded in obvious agreement and proceeded to take my
order.
The music came back on.  The activity in the bar resumed back to normal.
I sat there in quiet retrospection of the recent happenings and nodded my
head in unison to the song from the jukebox, which was doing a fine and
coincidental playing of  the Cocteau Twins "Frou-frou foxes in midsummer
fires."


jason

srilank@aol.com


Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 03:20:52 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: music and TV


>- A COCTEAU TWINS SONG ON _BAYWATCH_ !!!!!!!

There's also the famous Miami Vice episode with music from Dead Can Dance
(during an emotional scene...)

Dead Can Dance was also often used in documentaries (before those cheap
sounds from Enigma were released - now every sound editor owns these cd's!
Why is there a newsgroup called 'alt.music.enigma-dcd-etc'??? - but that's
another topic)


Emiel Efdee

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 22:10:36 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: stars on esp v23


>  at this point, i'm more interested in what the artwork is
>  going to be like. anyone know?
>
>
>  still waiting for an hnia super deluxxe edition lp,
>  k

For starters, I just want the HNIA 7" :(

much more abbreviated,

jason

srilank@aol.com

Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 22:19:10 -0400
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re: music and TV


well, i must reveal a lot here, but i heard DCD twice on MTV.  once during
        one of those cheesy moments during The Real World III (Pedro was
        sick and all, and i think they were playing "The Wind That Shakes
        The Barley"), andon that other loser of a show called "Dead at
        21" (Yolunga).

Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 03:20:55 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Windy & Carl/Cure/Nearly God


>May 11 Sa   *Windy & Carl in-store performance // 4:00 FREE


They're good live performers. I've seen them support Throwing Muses last
year in Amsterdam (or was it Belly - I'm not sure anymore).


>I can say that I will but I won't, I can say that I do but I don't, I can
>say that I feel but there's nothing to feel, just a strange kind of nothing
>that used to be me.....Cure 1996


Today I bought their new cd 'Wild Mood Swings'. After listening to it once
I rushed back to the record store and asked if they would take it back!
This is the worst record they've ever made. I've got almost every cure
record since 1979 but this one has made me realise: cure is over (for me)

Anyway, the store would take it back and I bought 'Nearly God' from 'Nearly
God' (also known as Tricky). A masterpiece. Including the voices from
people like Terry Hall (Specials) and Bjork, there's also a strange remake
of Siouxsie and the Banshees 'Tattoo'.

One of the best records of 1996! Buy it! - but listen to it first...



Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, May 4, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl


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