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Subject: Re: Slowdive
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:25:18 -0500
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: ARE YOU IN A BAND?
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:50:24 +0930
From: Alan Beit (kymtosh@STUDENT.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: NO 4AD AT ALL! (NewOrder related...)
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 00:11:27 -0700
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to (became very non-4AD)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:00:28 -0700
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: NO 4AD AT ALL! (NewOrder related...)
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 01:43:45 +0000
From: Jamin Suwandi (jamin@VIVID.NET)
Subject: Re: slowdive recommendation
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:42:09 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:34:21 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Can I?
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:13:08 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: suicide/drugs
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 01:24:15 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Shaving Toronto
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 06:12:17 EDT
From: seann harding (103476.1771@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Lush & CFNY/Sonic Boom + Stereolab/MBV/Slowdive
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 07:03:00 -0400
From: naranjas en la cabeza (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Suicide
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 08:15:48 -0400
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 22:36:28 +1000
From: Donald Chin (donaldc@NETSPACE.NET.AU)
Subject: THE THIS RIMY LIMITED
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 00:36:16 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: COCTEAU STUFF
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 00:36:31 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Frank Black cool man
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 00:36:08 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 08:22:46 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Slowdive
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:22:13 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush & CFNY/Sonic Boom + Stereolab/MBV/Slowdive
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 08:19:25 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: THE THIS RIMY LIMITED
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 18:25:44 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: slowdive blue day
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 01:07:06 +0900
From: Trevor Grace (tgrace@gol.com)
Subject: Lilliput for trade!
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:33:48 -0700
From: Patrick Oltraver (seraphim@CTS.COM)
Subject: THIS RIMY VELVET MORNING
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 12:37:20 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: a CD sale
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:06:00 CDT
From: Igor V Boronenkov (BORODA@MACC.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: THE THIS RIMY LIMITED
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 11:30:15 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: cocteau gun
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 15:19:11 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Sue
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 12:42:20 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Re: THIS RIMY VELVET MORNING
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 11:44:59 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: THIS RIMY VELVET MORNING
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 14:16:23 -0500
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: THIS RIMY VELVET MORNING
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 15:47:25 -0400
From: John Mcintyre (MCINTYRE@PA.MSU.EDU)
Subject: new lush
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 15:50:25 -0500
From: Cori Wall (bruth@CREIGHTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: THIS RIMY VELVET MORNING
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:51:40 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: more movies
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:58:33 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Re: cocteau gun
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:12:39 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high...
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:04:37 -0500
From: Cori Wall (bruth@CREIGHTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: THE THIS RIMY LIMITED
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:38:21 -0800
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: suicide is NOT painless
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:50:28 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:08:48 -0500
From: Cori Wall (bruth@CREIGHTON.EDU)
Subject: Thoughts/questions/answers etc.
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 19:30:47 +0100
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:21:30 -0500
From: Cori Wall (bruth@CREIGHTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Stereolab at the troub+ others
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 14:01:44 -0800
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: This Rimy River Ltd. (huh?)
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 23:50:08 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: VAD 703 LIAE booklet
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 15:55:19 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: More Stereolab
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 15:59:30 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Stereolab / Prolapse at Great American MH (San Fran)
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 14:35:15 -0700
From: ozymandias G desiderata (ogd@ORGANIC.COM)
Subject: : )
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 09:22:06 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: Songs to take drugs to...
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 09:45:34 +1000
From: Geoff Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: suicide is NOT painless
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:05:37 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:30:11 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Stereolab / Prolapse at Great American MH (San Fran)
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:27:35 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: OUT??
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 22:17:10 -0400
From: EyeRate@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: THE THIS RIMY LIMITED
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 23:27:01 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: OUT??
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 21:59:19 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: my humble opinion...
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 02:11:55 +0100
From: sweet and tender hooligan (ekiernon@LUCROME.IT)

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:25:18 -0500
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: Slowdive


At 01:19 PM 4/30/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>> > When it comes to Slowdive I haven't heard any of the much talked about
>> > EPs, I've got Just For A Day on tape as I'm unable to track it down on CD.
>> > However I've got Souvlaki on CD (American version with 4 or 5 bonus tracks
>> > on it) and Pygmalion..
>>
>> What!?  What are the extra tracks?
>>
>> moran@hal-pc.org
>>
>
>the bonus tracks are...
>
>     "some velvet morning"
>     "good day sunshine"
>     "missing you"
>     "country rain"
>
>the last three songs also appear on the "5" ep.

I thought "some velvet morning was awesome"  Kinda like a waltz that only
slowdive can do ...[or something]
the others are good as well, but there is no singing on them....

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:50:24 +0930
From: Alan Beit (kymtosh@STUDENT.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: ARE YOU IN A BAND?

              from "James M. Renaud" at Apr 30, 96 01:54:57 am

>
> if you are in a band you can send a copy of your work for a review on my
> web-zine... plus pretty soon, my friend and i are starting up a label, and
> we would be looking for acts who would like to release stuff.
> write me privately or check out my web-zine.
> http://www.science.wayne.edu/~jrenaud/
>
> ***********************
> star vein**************
> ***********************
> e.l.c.
>
 yep , I'm interested :) .... I can send you a tape of some stuff
 the band I'm in put down in a local studio a few months ago ...
 An address is all I need ! :)

--

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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 00:11:27 -0700
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: NO 4AD AT ALL! (NewOrder related...)


Ok, Ok, Ok, I konw this isnīt 4AD related stuff and I shuold try the
NewOrder
 list but... we are family, arenīt we.

 I just got an Email update from CdEurope where it says that Electronic (that
 Bernard Sumner & Johnny Marr project) are realesing a new single 'Forbbiden
 City' and a new Lp 'Raise the Pressure'.

 Can anyone confirm this (specially the Uk listies)?
 I know that Electronic are mainly below average but girlfriend LOVES them so
 it would be a nice surprise for her...

 Gracias!

 Pepe

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:00:28 -0700
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to (became very non-4AD)


On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, James M. Renaud wrote:

> if this message is a joke than i don't find it funny in the least. suicide
> is not something to joke around with. i have had two great friends shoot

        I think it's great to joke about it.  It brings it out in the open
for discussion.
        It tells anyone considering it that they aren't alone in wanting to
escape this world.  Many feel the urge ever once in a while.  But we keep
plugging away because the alternative to life is....well, no alternative.

> themselves in the head. i was never laughing. in fact every time i laugh
> at anything these days i feel extremely guilty. suicide has left me

        You have trouble laughing at anything without feeling guilty?
This makes me wonder if this post is a joke.  It sounds like you should
seek some counseling.

> wrecked. some days nothing helps. suicide is the full extenuation of the
> egocentric attitude. you feel you can't go on so you die. do you
> realize how many other people you will deeply hurt? i had to wash

        No one is going to stay living just because it would hurt their
friends were they to die.  At the same time, I agree that one should
constantly tell the people that they love how important they are to them.

> my friend's floor after he shot himself. there was so much blood. so much
> blood that it leaked throught the cracks of his wooden floor on the second
> floor that it made a puddle in the dining room. who are you gonna let see
> your dead blue flesh and cracked open head? do you think the scheer album
> is gross? i had to go through this twice.  obviously i don't know

        Also, no one is going to stay living because their death may
gross out their friends.

> you, but if you're serious and follow through, i would feel very upset. i
> wish people could get through the pride and the depression to just ask
> someone to help. that is strength, to ask for help, to pull through

        Now here I agree whole-heartedly.  Communication is the key.  And
a joke is a form of communication.

> together. the whole world isn't cruel. suicide makes things crueler. just
> ask someone who has gone through it.

        No, the world IS cruel and full of great moments of joy at the same
time.  I've become convinced the secret to a happy life is embracing your
masochistic side.

        Enough already from me,

        David,
                 who has obviously thought a lot about committing suicide
and isn't ashamed of or interested in hiding his feelings and thoughts

__________________________________________________________________________
David McCallum                                            mccallum@efn.org
                http://www.efn.org/~mccallum/arkane.html
               -a shrimpy shrine to the music of a.r.kane


Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 01:43:45 +0000
From: Jamin Suwandi (jamin@VIVID.NET)
Subject: Re: NO 4AD AT ALL! (NewOrder related...)


Thanks for the info. I'm a Joy Division & NewOrder fan as well

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:42:09 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: slowdive recommendation


"Pygmalion" is the best thing Slowdive have ever done, apart from the
incomparable first two EPs. The sound is very stripped down, but not at
all in the same way as Mojave3, whose sound is very direct/live/acoustic;
"Pygmalion"s mostly been run through lots and lots of reverb and tape
echo, which almost becomes another instrument on several songs (on
"Miranda" there's an eerie building noise that keeps intruding, which is
the sound of an echo box feeding back.) The overall effect is very
hypnotic and ambient, without the use of any keyboards or sequencers.

Some people do hate it, and it's very different than the earlier
Slowdive. If you require massive amounts of swooshing flanging guitar
effects as on "Just For a Day" or most of "Souvlaki", you will be
disappointed.

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
            Some outside and some indoors--
            Oh my oh my oh dinosaurs            ________________________
                                                http://www.mooseyard.com

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:34:21 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs


Uh, Slowdive are still together. They're called MOJAVE now.

I actually kind of agree with the sentiments expressed here and find a
lot of the responses to be a bit silly. Yeah, that message was really
addressed to everyone who had not been born yet. I'm sure it was also
aimed at the starving masses of India, the passengers of the Titantic,
the deaf, etc.

Still, and pardon me if I do not become outraged and explode here, it's
not anyone's fault except Slowdive's that Slowdive got so down in the
dumps over poor sales and being kicked off the best record label in the
whole wide world. They are the ones who pussied out and made Big
Decisions based not on the directives of their muse but on decisions made
by a hip indie label. And Also the Trees have probably sold fewer albums
in 16 years as Mojave sold in three months, and they are still going
strong and not giving up. There are a lot of bands like this and Slowdive
could have followed that route, but they didn't. Blame them for that if
you must place blame on anyone.


 e


Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:13:08 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Can I?


>>I wonder if any listies could help me. I want to commit suicide....

>DEAR CHIRS
>Before you kill yourself can I please have your 4AD books/poster or
>record collection?

This is the first time an e-mail has made me laugh out loud.  This is the
sort of exchange of dry wit that just makes me die (no pun intended)

Thanks for the free amusement, guys!



Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 01:24:15 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: suicide/drugs


>         I think it's great to joke about it.  It brings it out in the open
> for discussion.
>         It tells anyone considering it that they aren't alone in wanting to
> escape this world.  Many feel the urge ever once in a while.  But we keep
> plugging away because the alternative to life is....well, no alternative.

  oh, yeah..."it's ok, lotsa people have the suicidal urge! you're not
  alone!"..i dunno...i think joking about it isn't wrong, just kinda
  lame as far as humour sources go.
  as someone who had an adolescence of self loathing and more than 200
  receding razor scars on her arms to show for it, i know that the mere
  mention of suicide, no matter how "lighthearted", can't just be
  shrugged off and unless everyone knows you're not serious and are
  just tring to be "funny" you really shouldn't toy with the word.

  for you druggies {yes, i'm also a struggling member of the Trying To
  Stay Sober club}, dead can dance for marijuana - cocteau twins/the
  scooby doo theme song for lsd - operation ivy/jesus & mary chain/belly
  for crystal meth - lovesliescrushing for codeine/RX painkillers -
  any piece of crap song/band for alcohol. just say no to skinny puppy
  at all times while under the influence.


  up with people,
  k


Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 06:12:17 EDT
From: seann harding (103476.1771@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Shaving Toronto


The "Shaving The Pavement" tour hits Toronto, Ontario, Canada on Saturday, May
4th.  Those in the area may want to check out the HMV Superstore at 333 Yonge
Street at 2:00 pm on the 4th as Lush, Scheer and Mojave 3 will be doing an
autograph session along with Scheer and Mojave 3 contributing acustic in-store
performances!  Also of interest in May for Toronto and area people, concerts
from Joe Henry (David Narcizo from Throwing Muses on drums), Stereolab,
Cornershop, Modern English and Tarnation just to name a few.  Check the usual
listings for dates and ticket info.

- JEFF
via jscottc@interlog.com


Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 07:03:00 -0400
From: naranjas en la cabeza (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Lush & CFNY/Sonic Boom + Stereolab/MBV/Slowdive


>I'd like a station in my area that open minded!  The fact is,
>even for Lush, it took four weeks of working and pushing "Ladykillers"
>by PolyGram in Toronto for my local "alterna-rock" station CFNY to
>finally add it to their playlist!

Do yourself a favour and stop listening to CFNY (a.k.a. Grunge Central). It
will give you music-induced spongiform encephalopathy. There's tons of good
stuff they never play, but when those bands come to town, suddenly they're
all interested in them. That's the kind of lame, play-it-safe, opportunist
station we're talking about. Four weeks is too long to wait for a song to
appear on their playlist.

Anyone else think Emma is looking a little, er, well-fed these days?

>can anyone tell me if sonic boom is/has been playing for all the stereolab
dates.
>god, i hope so.

No, he can't make it to all of the dates, such as San Francisco.

>> >>"Suicide"
>> >>--MBV
>
>Isn't it "Sueisfine," or am I thinking of another song?  Juss
>wondering...
>
>
>Yes, the song is called Sueisfine, but I was quoting from it.

No, you weren't. The word 'suicide' doesn't appear in the words to
"Sueisfine" - it just sounds like it does.

>Some of us bust our asses for the
>bands we like, only to watch them break up, and then people are saying "they
>were great.  They were the best. blah blah blah."  It's too late now.

You know, it sounds to me like you're into the wrong band. With a snotty,
elitist "I was here first and I'm the only one who really knows and
understands them" attitude like that, you should be into SoCal punk or
hardcore, not Slowdive.

Larry


Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 08:15:48 -0400
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Suicide


  You all have this totally wrong.  If you're depressed enough to take
your own life, playing enjoyable music might just make you ambivalent.
I suggest something extremely troublesome...a song that was discussed
thoroughly on this list some time ago...Lisa Germano's Psychopath.


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 22:36:28 +1000
From: Donald Chin (donaldc@NETSPACE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive


Hi all,

> the bonus tracks are...
>
>      "some velvet morning"
>      "good day sunshine"
>      "missing you"
>      "country rain"
>
> the last three songs also appear on the "5" ep.

About the 5 EP, has anyone heard the remix of the 5 EP - is it dramatically
different from the 5 EP? Is it available on CD?

Regards

Donald

--
Donald Chin  
  "Lost somewhere in Australia...
    and fanatical about Heavenly Creatures and Jane Austen!"


Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 00:36:16 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: THE THIS RIMY LIMITED


THE THIS RIMY LIMITED has an overprint of metallic copper(I think) and it
makes the whole book rather unreadable. It's the exactly the same as the
normal version but with the overprint, which may seen shitty to some.
Be aware of what you're getting. The additional CDs may be worth the money
though.

BUT yes it's gonna take them a long time to send them out. Lick lick lick
stamps..

later

ARTHUR

later

Artc

Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 00:36:31 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: COCTEAU STUFF


I just saw the cocteau twins latest UK single in 2 CD digipacks.
It costs A$15 each. ARE these single(s) avaliable in vinyl? Do you think
it's worth $30 for the 2 CDs singles? They have 2 tracks in each that are
NOT in the new album.
Anyone want it? trade/buy? email me quick.

The new ablum is A$26 and comes with 2 free EPs
Otherness and Twinlights. Anyone heard of it?

somebody please email me the Twins complete discography.

ARTHUR


later

Artc


Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 00:36:08 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Frank Black cool man


I met Frank while playing pool in Adelaide last year. I got my Frank Black
poster signed and talked to the guy. He's a nice fellow, with a real
american drawl. Says that he dosen't play pixies stuff anymore even if the
punters request it at his gigs.

But unfortuately I didn't enjoy his gig later on all that much. I enjoyed
the opening band more! I afraid that he's sort of lost it.

If you'd like to trade for a signed t-shirt by the whole band. I'm looing
for 4AD posters books etc. I can't trade the poster as it signed to my
name.

ARTHUR

later

Artc

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 08:22:46 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Slowdive


>I thought "some velvet morning was awesome"  Kinda like a waltz that
only
>slowdive can do ...[or something]

or Nancy Sinatra :), though i agree that it was a very choice song for
them to cover!!

                    -robert.

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:22:13 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive


>About the 5 EP, has anyone heard the remix of the 5 EP - is it dramatically
>different from the 5 EP? Is it available on CD?

yes.  yes.  yes. . .

the global comm. remix (actually, it's reload, i think) is really good, but
i don't care much for the bandulu one.  both are around 10 minutes long.
the reload one sounds a lot like reload meets slowdive (imagine that!)

BiZ


Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 08:19:25 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush & CFNY/Sonic Boom + Stereolab/MBV/Slowdive


>>Some of us bust our asses for the
>>bands we like, only to watch them break up, and then people are
saying "they
>>were great.  They were the best. blah blah blah."  It's too late now.
>
>You know, it sounds to me like you're into the wrong band. With a
snotty,
>elitist "I was here first and I'm the only one who really knows and
>understands them" attitude like that, you should be into SoCal punk or
>hardcore, not Slowdive.
>

  ..... of course we must keep in mind that it is
the people who didn't buy the first 3 ep's fault that they broke up,
not the fact that the band desired to go in two different directions
musicly.  sigh. :):):):)
                            -robert.

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 18:25:44 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: THE THIS RIMY LIMITED


>THE THIS RIMY LIMITED has an overprint of metallic copper(I think) and it
>makes the whole book rather unreadable. It's the exactly the same as the
>normal version but with the overprint, which may seen shitty to some.
>Be aware of what you're getting.

Yep! After I read Emiel's posting about the ltd. edition being some
unreadable piece of shit, I called 4AD Mailorder and tried to cancel my
order. They said: "we got your money and you'll never get it back'!

>The additional CDs may be worth the money though.

Let's hope so. I've heard that on one of the CD's there's a demo version of
Mark Kozelek's 'Ivo, I Still Love You (Guitar Solo Mix)'.


Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++


Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 01:07:06 +0900
From: Trevor Grace (tgrace@gol.com)
Subject: slowdive blue day


Hello one and all.
I'm Trevor in Japan, I have a mint copy of the blue day cdep by slowdive. It
is quite rare, and has the following tracks: slowdive, avalyn 1, morningrise,
she calls, losing today, shine, and albatross.

As far as I know, the sleeve is custom to Japan. There is a nice booklet with
lyrics and translations.

Please make offers within a week. Min bid $30.

Also, I see a wide variety of cool 4ad rarities over here - lush's cookie,
belly's baby silvertooth etc. Let me know what you are interested in and
what you will pay.

--

****  Trevor Grace == tgrace@gol.com  ****

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:33:48 -0700
From: Patrick Oltraver (seraphim@CTS.COM)
Subject: Lilliput for trade!


Help!  I have a damn fine copy of Lilliput I am willing to part with for
the following trade.  This is extremely urgent, so first response gets it.
I need a SCSI hard drive with a capacity of 1 GIG or higher.  I don't
care if it is used.  In exchange, I will send you my Lilliput and my 1.6
GIG Maxtor IDE hard drive, which is only 2 months old.  My drive and the
drive I need are both for the PC.  I am low on funds and I need this drive
ASAP for direct to disk recording. I was assured my Maxtor would work for
this application, but it does not, even though it is a faster IDE drive.
Please respond TODAY, and I will work out the details tonight,
preferably over the phone, or E-mail if no other option is available.

Send phone # and responses to seraphim@cts.com.  Thanks!

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 12:37:20 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: THIS RIMY VELVET MORNING


Hiya.

>>The additional CDs may be worth the money though.<<

Would someone like to clarify. What additional CDs? This is the very first
I've heard of it. Are their really CDS or is this part of Emiel's joke post
(if I didn't already like him, I'd have hated him for that).

I hope there are. That would make the expense a little easier to stomach.
Although, I've quite gotten use to it since it was spent well over 5 months
ago.

ALSO...

I'd heard the original "Some Velvet Morning" played over the P.A. at StP. The
Slowdive version is very close to the original. Anyone know who did the
original? I quite liked it. Very good.

Biya.

Roy


Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:06:00 CDT
From: Igor V Boronenkov (BORODA@MACC.WISC.EDU)
Subject: a CD sale


Little CD sale,reply privately,please.



The The    Infected     $7ppd
Heavenly Bodies Celestial(Pinker from DeadCanDance)     $8ppd
Opium Den       Dairy of a drunken sun  $7.00ppd  (East coast fem.voc, a-la This
     Ascention etc)
Bleach  Killing Time    $7ppd  (like Rose Chronicles+Sonic Youth)
Denim   Back in denim(import)   $8ppd (for Felt/Lawrence fans)
various Wild Summer Wow!(early Creation comp.)  $7.50ppd (the Loft, Jassmine
Minks, Revolving Paint Dream etc)
Aurora  The land of harm and appletrees (German gothic, fem.voc)        $7ppd
Project Pitchfork       Io (German gothic industr.,on Project)  $7.50ppd
McKenna,Terence&Zuvuya  Dream matrix telemetry(UK)      $8ppd
Heavenly        Le Jardin de Heavenly   $7.50ppd
various From across this gray land no.2(Projekt comp.)  $7.50ppd (tacks by
Lycia, Popol Vuh, Area)
East River Pipe Shining Hours In a can  $7.50ppd

Boroda


Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 11:30:15 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: THE THIS RIMY LIMITED


Frank Brinkhuis wrote:
>Yep! After I read Emiel's posting about the ltd. edition being some
>unreadable piece of shit, I called 4AD Mailorder and tried to cancel my
>order. They said: "we got your money and you'll never get it back'!

But this has been known for months -- Laurent posted all the details of
the overprinting back in December or January and I incorporated them into
the FAQ then. It's good to know exactly what you're ordering before you
send off $100 or however much it costs...
Sorry they won't return your money, though. That sucks.

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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 15:19:11 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: cocteau gun


cocteau twins interview in raygun.
rage against the machine on the cover.
mojave 3 will play at 3:00 at repeat the beat in royal oak, mi.
someone said before, 5:30. the flyer i have says 3:00.

pick a time i guess. ill be there with a smile.

bye.spiral

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 12:42:20 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Sue


>> >>"Suicide"
>> >>--MBV
>
>Isn't it "Sueisfine," or am I thinking of another song?  Juss
>wondering...
>
>
>Yes, the song is called Sueisfine, but I was quoting from it.

>No, you weren't. The word 'suicide' doesn't appear in the words to
>"Sueisfine" - it just sounds like it does.


Yeah, it's not part of the lyrics or anything, but Kevin does admit that
he wants it to sound that way, especially live.


Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 11:44:59 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: THIS RIMY VELVET MORNING


Roy Burns wrote:
>Would someone like to clarify. What additional CDs? This is the very first
>I've heard of it. Are their really CDS or is this part of Emiel's joke post
>(if I didn't already like him, I'd have hated him for that).
>I hope there are. That would make the expense a little easier to stomach.

Roy, did you know the common word "gullible" is not found in any
dictionary? Take a look and see...

>I'd heard the original "Some Velvet Morning" played over the P.A. at StP. The
>Slowdive version is very close to the original. Anyone know who did the
>original? I quite liked it. Very good.

Lee Hazelwood & Nancy Sinatra, back around 1968 or so.
Rowland S Howard (of the Birthday Party) and Lydia Lunch also did a cover
version of it in, uh, 1982 I think, which _is_ actually on a 4AD 12". A
quick trip to Eyesore should reveal the catalog number.

I've heard the original and both covers and, sorry, I think they're all
pretty dippy. Give me "These Boots Were Made For Walkin'" any day.

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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 14:16:23 -0500
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: THIS RIMY VELVET MORNING


> I'd heard the original "Some Velvet Morning" played over the P.A. at StP. The
> Slowdive version is very close to the original. Anyone know who did the
> original? I quite liked it. Very good.
>
> Biya.
>
> Roy
>

i believe it was a duet between lee hazlewood and nancy sinatra.

jason

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 15:47:25 -0400
From: John Mcintyre (MCINTYRE@PA.MSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: THIS RIMY VELVET MORNING



>I'd heard the original "Some Velvet Morning" played over the P.A. at StP. The
>Slowdive version is very close to the original. Anyone know who did the
>original? I quite liked it. Very good.

The original was done by Lee Hazelwood (the writer) and Nancy Sinatra (the
daughter).  My favorite version is done by the Vanilla Fudge.  When they
sing "Some velvet morning when I'm straight...", you know that morning is
a *long* ways off.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
mcintyre@pa.msu.edu


Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 15:50:25 -0500
From: Cori Wall (bruth@CREIGHTON.EDU)
Subject: new lush


i just heard 'single girl' off of the new lush and was extremely
disappointed.  i started with spooky and then went to gala.  i loved both
albums.  will i be blowing my money if i buy the new album?

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:51:40 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: THIS RIMY VELVET MORNING


>pretty dippy. Give me "These Boots Were Made For Walkin'" any day.

YEAH!!! Now _there's_ a hip song!


Sixties mod singer-lady daughters of famous actors are coo-oo-ool,

Jake

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:58:33 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: more movies


On Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:22:52, Wilder Spaceman wrote:

>     Would you mind recomending me films that produce sensations like
>the acid,bitter and sad video from this mortal coil?
>    I don t know so much about films but I want to experiment with
>them.
>    The film more near to that I ve seen is "Tan lejos Tan cerca"
>from Win Wemders. The translation would be "So far away so near" or
>something like that. Anyway i really enjoyed that film.

I haven't seen the TMC video (or any, for that matter), but Until the End of the
World, also by Wim Wenders, is a great film, with lots of thislisty type music.
Also, try anything by Jim Jarmusch.

Hope that helps,

Jon

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:12:39 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: cocteau gun


> cocteau twins interview in raygun.
> rage against the machine on the cover.
> mojave 3 will play at 3:00 at repeat the beat in royal oak, mi.
> someone said before, 5:30. the flyer i have says 3:00.

i origianlly stated it was at 5:30pm because that was the original time we
scheduled it. i did reply with the correct time though, you must have
missed it.
THE TIME OF MOJAVE THREE AT REPEAT THE BEAT IS INDEED 3:00pm!!!!!!!!
it has been changed, but this is redundant for most people. how many
listies will be there? we should say hello or something. i'll be wearing
grey cordorouys and probably a blue sweater. if it's warm, i'll probably
wear either a rene magritte shirt or my pastels shirt. i always wear my
detroit tigers hat. it so comfy. my name is jim, i'll respond to many
nicknames like "mars", "star vein", and "you're-the-one-that-takes-suicide
-out-of-proportion-guy." i would like to thank all the listies who replied
to my irrational, emotional, i'm-having-a-bad-day,it's-three-in-the
-morning-and-i-don't-want-to-be-reminded-of-bad-shit-attitude with
kindness and grace. thank you all. when i'm depressed though i try to
listen tothe most beautiful muzik i can think of. i love the way hnia ends
the livonia album, nick drake, lush's "monochrome," michael brook's cobalt
blue, johannes brahms' "ein deutsches requiem," and gavin bryars' "the
sinking of the titanic" or "the old tower of lobenicht."

star vein
******************************************************************************
******************************************************************************
"...meaninglessness filled with words. It was like that intensification of
language where language is itself obliterated, as if someone had typed a
thousand sentences across the same line of gleaming white bond until
nothing but a black mottled streak of carbon." *******************************
******************************************************************************
******************************************************************************


Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:04:37 -0500
From: Cori Wall (bruth@CREIGHTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high...


i would first recommend sonic youth... 'daydream nation'--esp. teen age
riot, that is a sure thing.

you should also try marvin gaye, 'what's goin on'
you'll find that there is a lot more goin on in that song when your
stoned.

and i might be the only one, but any album by ween is a wonderful album
to smoke to.

and finally, 'young-holt unlimited' put out a greatest hits album last
year.  it is all really pimp and really chill.  most of the album is
instrumental, and it starts off with the classic 'souful strut'  you have
heard the song before, you just don't realize it by the name.

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:38:21 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: THE THIS RIMY LIMITED


From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET) >>THE THIS RIMY LIMITED has an overprint of metallic copper(I think) and it >>makes the whole book rather unreadable. It's the exactly the same as the >>normal version but with the overprint, which may seen shitty to some. >>Be aware of what you're getting. > >Yep! After I read Emiel's posting about the ltd. edition being some >unreadable piece of shit, I called 4AD Mailorder and tried to cancel my >order. They said: "we got your money and you'll never get it back'! > ha ha The original promotional sheet that was sent to 4ad-mailorder people mentioned specifically that the pages would be printed over with a second metallic color, obscuring the page completely. I think the assumption is that the $40 for the original this rimy river would be only pocket change for anyone buying the ltd. ed. velvet glass deal >>The additional CDs may be worth the money though. > >Let's hope so. I've heard that on one of the CD's there's a demo version of >Mark Kozelek's 'Ivo, I Still Love You (Guitar Solo Mix)'. > Ok, hee, hee that was funny. But really, is anyone going to say what, if anything, is being offer to people as consolation for waiting so long? -nick mar Shoot, I still have to see James and GP and my brother worked on it. (My dad warned me to stay for the video game thing at the end though.)

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:50:28 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: suicide is NOT painless


On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, James M. Renaud wrote:

>if this message is a joke than i don't find it funny in the least. suicide
>is not something to joke around with. i have had two great friends shoot
>themselves in the head. i was never laughing. in fact every time i laugh
>at anything these days i feel extremely guilty. suicide has left me
>wrecked. some days nothing helps. suicide is the full extenuation of the
>egocentric attitude. you feel you can't go on so you die. do you
>realize how many other people you will deeply hurt? i had to wash
>my friend's floor after he shot himself. there was so much blood. so much
>blood that it leaked throught the cracks of his wooden floor on the second
>floor that it made a puddle in the dining room. who are you gonna let see
>your dead blue flesh and cracked open head? do you think the scheer album
>is gross? i had to go through this twice.  obviously i don't know
>you, but if you're serious and follow through, i would feel very upset. i
>wish people could get through the pride and the depression to just ask
>someone to help. that is strength, to ask for help, to pull through
>together. the whole world isn't cruel. suicide makes things crueler. just
>ask someone who has gone through it.

*Thank* you.  This person is either hurting in a profound way or the owner of an
extremely sick sense of humor.  Your testimony moved me.  We can only hope if
Chris was serious, he was affected as well.

Jon

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:08:48 -0500
From: Cori Wall (bruth@CREIGHTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to


well....
you say your looking for a short song?
how tall is the building?

i would like to put in a vote for
'short songs' by the dead kennedys

jello is the last person i want to hear before i die

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 19:30:47 +0100
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Thoughts/questions/answers etc.


1. I realise Emiel was taking the piss with his post about receiving his
TRR ltd ed, but there were other posts referring to the compilation CDs
also. Is this part of the joke or is this for real?


2. (With referrence to CAD X 703):
>
>It would be nice to simply see one of these things.

Well Mr Burns come on over to Blighty and go and see the copy they have in
the Victoria and Albert museum in London. Anyone can go and see it - it's
kept in the Print Room. There's lots of Vaughan's stuff in there - Lilliput
is also on permanent display.

BTW, they won't sell. I asked them. Bastards.

Personally I don't think it's THAT special - yeah the box is nice but
everything else is just duplicated about 4 or 5 times. Not worth $1000
IMHO.


3.Does anyone else find it a bit of a bind down loading sixty odd messages
a day from this list? Without naming any letters (sorry names - Freudian
slip), I wonder if people might consider not copying the whole of someone
else's long message and just keep tagging a line or two on at the end -
we've all read the previous messages, and I think we know there's a thread
going about songs to kill yourself/take drugs to without being prompted...


4. On Graphics - Livonia, Filigree and Gentle Creatures are just my cup o' tea.


5. I can't resist this one (this was e):

>I do, however, suggest losing your virginity first.

So you've never taken drugs then e? And how do you manage to spare the time
to write all your (personal opinion alert!) boring reviews and posts, play
silly games, go and see all these films, buy all these records you review,
take drugs (supposedly), eat, drink, sleep? I am in wonder. Do you type
extremely fast? Fast and frantic hand actions...


6. Going back to LIAE: Brant said that the video has a booklet. Is that
just the jacket he's referring to, or should I get back to 4AD mail order
and ask where mine is?


7. Anyone else going to the DCD London gig? (Sorry if I missed all the
stuff on this _ I've been away from the list for a while).


8. I think people may be somewhat disappointed with the TRR ltd ed having
seen it at the studio and in Newcastle. I do like the first page though -
nice layout. I'm glad I'm not paying 150 quid for my copy.


That's about it.

Andie

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:21:30 -0500
From: Cori Wall (bruth@CREIGHTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to


On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA wrote:

> >if this message is a joke than i don't find it funny in the least. suicide
> >is not something to joke around with. i have had two great friends shoot
> >themselves in the head. i was never laughing. in fact every time i laugh
> >at anything these days i feel extremely guilty. suicide has left me
> >wrecked. some days nothing helps. suicide is the full extenuation of the
> >egocentric attitude. you feel you can't go on so you die. do you
> >realize how many other people you will deeply hurt? i had to wash
> >my friend's floor after he shot himself. there was so much blood. so much
> >blood that it leaked throught the cracks of his wooden floor on the second
> >floor that it made a puddle in the dining room. who are you gonna let see
> >your dead blue flesh and cracked open head? do you think the scheer album
> >is gross? i had to go through this twice.  obviously i don't know
> >you, but if you're serious and follow through, i would feel very upset. i
> >wish people could get through the pride and the depression to just ask
> >someone to help. that is strength, to ask for help, to pull through
> >together. the whole world isn't cruel. suicide makes things crueler. just
> >ask someone who has gone through it.
>
> >>"Suicide"
> >>--MBV
>
>     "Suicide"
>     Spacemen 3
>
                  "Suicide Solution"
                   Ozzy Osborne

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 14:01:44 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Stereolab at the troub+ others


From: Paul Rank (rank@LEVY.COM) >Any singles for sale at the show? Hopefully we'll get something >along the lines of the previous tour split singles with Unrest, Tortoise, >and Yo La Tengo (as opposed to last US tour's Ping Pong single). Nope, sorry. There are some t-shirts, free stickers, and maybe posters (I saw that other people had them at one show.) >Also, has anyone seen Stereolab on one of their 2-show nights? Just >wondering if its worthwhile to catch both San Fransico shows..... If you're an enthusiastic fan of the groop I'd go. Saturday at Pomona was incredible, smashing... Monday was too but I was wrung-out-tired, coming straight "over the hill" from work to make it to the last songs of Prolapse. After the Monday show Tim, Mary, and Laetitia came out and chatted with fans for a bit. I got to give Mary a drawing I did of them, she said Duncan will have a short story published in a magazine some time, and asked Tim about their possible collaboration with Mouse on Mars and the Duophonic 10" with Labradford, and some other stuff. They were really friendly folks, considering how tired they must be from touring, Mary's terribly funny.
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM) >can anyone tell me if sonic boom is/has been playing for all the stereolab date . >god, i hope so. Hmm, don't really know. I overheard Tim reminding him of their two shows in San Francisco. I didn't catch who he was either and labeled him "ghost guy on OSC" in the drawing.
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU) >Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM) wrote: >Mostly ETK stuff. Nothing from TRNBWA. They also played Ping Pong, Lo Boob >Oscilator, Mountain, and French Disco. Somewhere in there was John Cage Bubblegum (the crowd goes wild! I think this went into the freak out jam at the end of the main set) and Melochord Seventy-Five from Music for the Amorphous Body Study Center, besides the ETK songs. >They also played 2 new (?) songs. >One had a title that had something to do with Van Halen? The other was >fairly mellow. The mellow one is "Spinal Column," a beautiful, quiet song (Tim sits down here) and the poppy one that starts with pulsing Farfisa is "Heavenly Van Halen" >>But most impressive was their closing song/music or whatever that was. After >>they came back for the encore, they ended with this song that (title anyone?) >>went through the normal phase first (vocals-melody-etc.) after which It got >>into the "jamming phase" as i call it, > >It was Anamorphose from MAQ. One of my faves from MAQ (I like the drone), so >I was glad to hear it. It was quite a good way to end the show. Hey, on Saturday, that last song of the encore was Superelectric! Tim said they also played it on Sunday, but they like to mix things up some. >Too bad I didn't get a chance to read my mail this weekend, I would have >liked to meet fellow listies at the show. I think "...calico extract" was >there also. Ah well maybe next time. HEY, hey! Swirlies on Saturday, May 4 at The Haven on 2nd St. in Old Town Pomona, for only a fiver. See you cats there. There are other dates, but I don't know them off hand. -nick

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 23:50:08 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: This Rimy River Ltd. (huh?)


At 01:51 01-05-96, Emiel Efdee wrote:
>compilation CD's (TRR 1 CD and TRR 2 CD) are great! (a lot of unreleased
>demo tracks from the v23 archieves, more details soon)
>
>No, just kidding.

Indeed, just kidding!


At 12:37 01-05-96, Roy Burns wrote:
>Would someone like to clarify. What additional CDs? This is the very first
>I've heard of it. Are their really CDS or is this part of Emiel's joke post

The post was 50% joke, 50% true (there's only one cd...:)*

>(if I didn't already like him, I'd have hated him for that).

Roy; you da man!


At 22:59 30-04-96, BluBelKnol@AOL.COM wrote:
>as a sort of apology for the LONG delay, those at v23 are trying to work out
>something to send in addition with the book as a freebie to those who already
>have one on order.

That would be nice...


At 18:25 01-05-96, Frank Brinkhuis wrote:
>Let's hope so. I've heard that on one of the CD's there's a demo version of
>Mark Kozelek's 'Ivo, I Still Love You (Guitar Solo Mix)'.

This track can also be found on this rare promo tape called 'Is Ivo A
Man?', other bands include: cocteau twins, frank black, pale saints, jive
bombers, colourbox, frazier chorus, spirea x and richenel (to name a
few).




Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, May 1, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl




* in my dreams (yes, I often dream about bonus cd's - is this strange?)


Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 15:55:19 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: VAD 703 LIAE booklet


Yes. The LIAE video does have a booklet. As far as I recall,
it's just a small version of everything on the normal
vinyl version inner sleeve separated out onto a few fold-out
pages. It's about the same dimensions as the video tape.
I'll check this tonight and report back. The nicest one is
of course the ltd. ed. booklet which has all sorts of
graphics you can't get anywhere else.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 15:59:30 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: More Stereolab


God I am pissed now. I had to leave immediately after the show on monday and
didn't get to see them chat with the fans.

To make things worse. I was all excited about the show for another reason as
well. The CD-ROM mag i work for was taping the show (both audio on DAT and
video) for Stereolab profile in our next issue. But apparently the sound guy
we gave the DAT player to screwed up the cable connection and we ended up only
getting half of the instruments off the board, no drums, no farfisa, shitty
overall. And the guy who handled the video shoot was so incompetent that it
looks like shit (no close ups, no panning). I was just looking at the footage
and it stinks!!!!

I am so disappointed, i wanted my own little copy of that show, darn!

oh well, just thought I'd share my disapointment with y'all.

The show was awesome though :)

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 14:35:15 -0700
From: ozymandias G desiderata (ogd@ORGANIC.COM)
Subject: Stereolab / Prolapse at Great American MH (San Fran)


I thought this was a solid, impressive show, and I was so blown away by
the opportunity to finally see Stereolab live (back when I first heard
Low Fi and Peng! back in '93 I was still living in Montana, which is just
a tad bit off the path as far as touring indie pop is concerned).

First of all, the Great American Music Hall is probably my favorite venue
in San Francisco for shows. It's ornately decorated, it's got great
acoustics, and I get in for free :) (my company designed their web site
(www.musichallsf.com)). It's easy to get close to the stage, but there's
lots of room for boring old farts to sit down and still get a good view
of what's going on. The ambience there is relaxed and friendly.

In an unusual move, GAMH had decided to have two shows, one at 7 and one
at 10. There were a number of hardcore fans who decided to go to both. I
would have been one of them, but I had a meeting to go to early in the
evening. Judging by the line of people waiting to get in when I got there
at 10, it was a good idea for them to have two shows.

Splitting up the shows meant that only one of the opening bands played
for each set. Thus I missed the undoubted magnificence of Track Star.
That's just fine with me, because I thought Prolapse alone made the show
worth it, and y'all were less than unreserved in yr praise of Track
Star's performance at SF. I seem to have good luck with opening
bands. When I went to see PJ Harvey a few years back, Moonshake were
opening for her, and I ended up liking their music more than I like hers.

The names that popped into my head during Prolapse's set were
Wire, Joy Division, and The Cure. Happily, I eventually decided that none
of these really fit, although Prolapse would have nestled very
comfortably into the Too Pure stable of a couple years ago.

The bass droned, the guitars chimed and snarled, and the drumming was
impressively tight and propulsive. Mick Derrick's vocals were indeed
thickly accented and Mark E. Smith-esque. Linda Steelyard sang / chanted
while wearing alternately wide-eyed girlish and snarly pissed-off
expressions. I'm sorry, but she's just too cute. When she wasn't singing
she was agitatedly pacing around the stage or shooting dirty looks at
Mick. Unfortunately, Mick and Linda didn't get into any fistfights while
I was watching, but there was a very peculiar sort of pissed-off roommate
energy on the stage. It nicely complemented the angular space-rock that
they were playing.

I liked them enough to go purchase a copy of their album "Backsaturday"
today, and while it isn't as good as their live show, it's still a good
addition to my collection of surly British indie rock, and unlike some of
that stuff, I'm sure I'll actually listen to it fairly frequently.
Highlights include the pop anthem "T.C.R." (of which they played a cool
version last night) and the full-on rhythmic assault (uh-oh... did I
really just write that?) of "Every Night I'm Mentally Crucified (7000
Times)". It also features the 15-minute drone of "Flex", which is greatly
enhanced for me because I can remember how they looked as they sang
it. Prolapse is great. Don't skip their set. I felt priviliged to have
seen them.

As far as Stereolab goes, whaddaya THINK I'm going to say? They played a
super-solid, tight set of mostly new material with considerable style and
the sort of easy familiarity that only comes from working together for a
long time. Every time I'd start to get a little less than enthralled,
they'd change sounds and catch my interest again. Laetitia was a treat to
watch, because she seemed very happy to be performing and at ease with
herself. The whole band was in good form, and I have to second other
people's praise for the drummer. Man, he was outta hand, and unlike a lot
of drummers, he managed to look fairly relaxed even while he was pounding
on the toms hard enough to make the veins in his forehead stand out.

The high point of the show for me was when they faded out of one of the
long drones from MAQ (sorry -- considering that every time I listen to
one Stereolab record I seem to end up listening to all of them, I've
never really mastered the song titles on any of the albums after Switched
On) straight into "John Cage Bubblegum". That song is my number one
dance-around-naked-in-the-morning song of all time, and they did a
fucking kick-ass job of it last night.

The space-rock jam / encore was amazing as well, with a chunk of the
audience getting up on stage and dancing for awhile before the members of
the band settled down into serious knob-twiddling and feedback
manipulation. After awhile you could hear the shimmering overtones and
microtones within the wall of drone, and all I can really say is that it
was all I could have expected or asked from a Stereolab show. Ace.
Spectacular. You get the idea.

ozymandias

ozymandias G desiderata      ogd@organic.com        Desperate, Deathless
(415)284-6888     http://www.organic.com/Staff/ogd/       ::AOAIOXXYSZ::

Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 09:22:06 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: : )


*WISHES SOME PEOPLE WILL STOP DRIBBLING SHIT and keep it short*

have anice day


later

Artc


Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 09:45:34 +1000
From: Geoff Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: Songs to take drugs to...


>    Or try anything, really anything from SPACEMEN 3 !!!

In general, yeah, Spaceman 3 stuff is way cool for that sort of stuff
(although I tried experiencing the 17-minute version of "Rollercoaster"
once when I was stoned, but the lack of bass really annoyed me - I
couldn't make the distance). I personally recommend "Ecstacy
Symphony/Transpararnt Radiation".

But hey, anything by Spiritualized (the band Jason formed after Spaceman 3)
is even better...Obthislisty, I prefer This Mortal Coil's "Filigree and
Shadow".

I also enjoy the toons of that group Spain whilst partaking of the
herb...by the way, has anyone heard of anything new by them?

Cheers,
Geoff.

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:05:37 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: suicide is NOT painless


On Wed, 1 May 1996, Jon Drahn wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, James M. Renaud wrote:
>
> >if this message is a joke than i don't find it funny in the least.

> *Thank* you.  This person is either hurting in a profound way or the owner of 
n
> extremely sick sense of humor.  Your testimony moved me.  We can only hope if
> Chris was serious, he was affected as well.

To me Chris' post looked like a fairly obvious and pointed mockery of the
original drug post. I can see why someone very sensitive to the issue
would get upset, but it's not as if he was making light of the topic. Did
you or anyone really think he was going to jump off a building wearing a
walkman?? That would be so NOT thislisty.

On the other hand, most of the followups to that original suicide post
were pretty sickening. I don't see why no one else is upset over those.

e

On a slightly less off-topic note, if anyone here is into video game
soundtracks or otherwise orders a lot of shit from Japan, I would like to
hear from you, maybe tap you for some advice, info, etc. Thanks.

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:30:11 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to


On Wed, 1 May 1996, some ungodly peanut gallery wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA wrote:
>
> > >if this message is a joke than i don't find it funny in the least. suicide
> > >is not something to joke around with. i have had two great friends shoot
> > >themselves in the head. i was never laughing. in fact every time i laugh
> > >at anything these days i feel extremely guilty. suicide has left me
> > >wrecked. some days nothing helps. suicide is the full extenuation of the
> > >egocentric attitude. you feel you can't go on so you die. do you
> > >realize how many other people you will deeply hurt? i had to wash
> > >my friend's floor after he shot himself. there was so much blood. so much
> > >blood that it leaked throught the cracks of his wooden floor on the second
> > >floor that it made a puddle in the dining room. who are you gonna let see
> > >your dead blue flesh and cracked open head? do you think the scheer album
> > >is gross? i had to go through this twice.  obviously i don't know
> > >you, but if you're serious and follow through, i would feel very upset. i
> > >wish people could get through the pride and the depression to just ask
> > >someone to help. that is strength, to ask for help, to pull through
> > >together. the whole world isn't cruel. suicide makes things crueler. just
> > >ask someone who has gone through it.
> >
> > >>"Suicide"
> > >>--MBV
> >
> >     "Suicide"
> >     Spacemen 3
> >
>                   "Suicide Solution"
>                    Ozzy Osborne

Are you people morons or are you just REALLY rude??


 e


Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:27:35 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Stereolab / Prolapse at Great American MH (San Fran)


We too, Elvia and Fred, were at the show. I thought Stereolab was
incredible. But Prolapse? People in the audience were yelling for them to
leave the stage.  Upstairs, people were making fun of the two singers.
Great group, minus the singers.  I love the way the guitarist plays.
Almost gothic-like. I thought I put in my two. point 5 cents in.

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20th Century."
              In The Nursery
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      --ooO-(o)-Ooo--  Pagan Man's sidekick gOD.


Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 22:17:10 -0400
From: EyeRate@AOL.COM
Subject: OUT??


Could someone please e-mail me how to get off this list?

Eyerate@aol.com

Thanks.


Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 23:27:01 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: THE THIS RIMY LIMITED


> The additional CDs may be worth the money
>though.

I think if you read the original post more carefully, this was a joke.  there
are NO plans to include CD's of any sort with the Rimy ltd. ed.  ---- that is
unless v23 decide's that is what they'll offer as a freebie instead of the
poster.  but at this time.  there are no plans to include any CD.

-blubelknol@aol.com

ah...found the original...as follows:

>>But the two bonus
>>compilation CD's (TRR 1 CD and TRR 2 CD) are great! (a lot of unreleased
>>demo tracks from the v23 archieves, more details soon)
>>
>>No, just kidding.

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 21:59:19 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: OUT??


> Could someone please e-mail me how to get off this list?
>
> Eyerate@aol.com
>
> Thanks.
>
The preferred option here seems to be suicide, preferably whilst
listening to suitable music.

If you are not man enough for that, I suggest that the faq might have
pertinent information (about withdrawing from the list that is, not
about killing yourself--unless jens has been feeling mopy lately)

moran@hal-pc.org

Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 02:11:55 +0100
From: sweet and tender hooligan (ekiernon@LUCROME.IT)
Subject: my humble opinion...


Not to step on anyone's feelings , BUT...

I, as of late, have been questioning the worth and relevancy of the recent
choices of writing on this listing. . . I honestly thought that this would
be a listing concerning music from 4ad--not of the various and sundry ways
that one can die, nor how to enhance the sensual experiences of smoking
pot while hiding out in the dorm room.

To put it bluntly, I do not think that the topics are all that apropos to
this listing.  And quite frankly, there are too many things in this world
to deal with than being laden down with maudlin accounts and sophomoric
antics on the computer, of all places..

Call me brazen, cold hearted, or unsympathetic-- but really, let's return
to matters of more serious relevance to the listing, if you don't mind...


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