4ad-l Mail for 04-30-1996

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Subject: Jens-o-rama!
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 23:53:09 -0400
From: "J. Scott Carradice" (jscottc@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: velour 100 bio
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 00:26:11 -0400
From: captain dave (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: for Trade
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 22:01:20 -0700
From: Immanuel Kan (immanuel@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Delicatessan
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:32:44 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 04:59:14 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Cocteau to tour australia??
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 15:27:22 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: for Trade
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:44:13 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: "Pink Opaque" for sale/trade..random thoughts
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:39:52 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau to tour australia??
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 00:53:07 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Html Demon
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 05:56:47 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: ARE YOU IN A BAND?
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:54:57 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 23:43:38 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: La Cite des Enfants Perdus
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:23:35 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: no opinion
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:19:47 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: 4AD 10" SERIES
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 04:53:10 EDT
From: seann harding (103476.1771@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Jeunet & Caro
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 02:28:26 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: still more deli
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 02:53:12 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Evening at the Grange
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 02:46:52 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high...
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 07:29:46 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high...
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 05:36:18 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Slowdive
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:09:50 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: cocteau us tour dates....
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:39:38 -0400
From: Nikkw@AOL.COM
Subject: If you wanna get high...
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:10:50 EDT
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: Re: for Trade
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:38:21 +0800
From: Lim Kian Hong (qland@PACIFIC.NET.SG)
Subject: Songs to commit suicide to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 07:07:41 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: Slowdive
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:27:18 +0000
From: Jamin Suwandi (jamin@VIVID.NET)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:42:36 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: for Trade
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 00:56:05 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: music to kill yourself to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:33:33 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Great Graphics.
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 00:56:02 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: 10" series
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:51:33 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Slowdive
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:50:03 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Slowdive EPs
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:28:14 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: LIAE versions
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:42:21 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Great Graphics.
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:37:51 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins in D.C.
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:46:11 -0400
From: liles melissa m (mmlile@FACSTAFF.WM.EDU)
Subject: for BiZ
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:01:35 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Review of Husikesque [Re: Was it Area? I will show you how!
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:21:12 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide/take drugs to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:26:15 -0700
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:27:36 -0500
From: Michael Peter Stein (mps2@CEC.WUSTL.EDU)
Subject: Re: delicatessen
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:20:27 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Songs to commit suicide to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:35:27 EDT
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: Re: music to kill yourself to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:57:14 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:59:32 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: MUSIC TO COMMIT SUICIDE TO
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:28:37 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high...
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:27:43 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: whoops. . .
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:49:55 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Stereolab at the troub
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:36:07 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:48:40 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high...
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:06:14 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:17:47 -0700
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: Jens-o-rama!
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:30:31 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: for Trade
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:28:51 -0700
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high (delete if sick of this thread)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 15:24:34 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: stereolab/sonic boom
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:32:09 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 15:48:26 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: stereolab/sonic boom
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:11:08 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:04:34 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide/take drugs to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:18:40 -0400
From: John Greene (jgreene@DELNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:17:45 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high...
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:23:13 -0400
From: John Greene (jgreene@DELNET.COM)
Subject: McCallum's Do Yourself Ditties
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:45:26 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Phat Eyesore Booklet and others
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:45:25 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Slowdive
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:18:45 -0400
From: Kelly Kristin Leigh (kkelly@UCET.UFL.EDU)
Subject: Re: stereolab/sonic boom
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:55:05 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Frank Black - what's the deal?
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:41:35 GMT
From: "Booth, Giles" (Giles.Booth@BBC.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide/take drugs to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:39:30 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:07:54 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high...
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:48:05 -0700
From: Joel Krueger (jwkrueger@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: scheer + air miami stuff
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:26:59 -0700
From: Joel Krueger (jwkrueger@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:19:36 -0500
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:29:51 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Can I?
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:05:03 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: slowdive recommendation
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:31:50 -0700
From: Joel Krueger (jwkrueger@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: Re: scheer + air miami stuff
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 01:53:55 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: This Rimy River Ltd. (wow!)
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 01:51:48 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Lush in Boston
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 19:59:26 EDT
From: "Matthew A. Neimark" (mattn@MIT.EDU)
Subject: Films like Acid,bitter and sad.
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:22:52 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: slowdive recommendation
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 19:35:59 -0500
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:17:08 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high...
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:08:42 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:58:30 -0700
From: aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:22:49 +0000
From: Sunday Records (sunday@PYROTECHNICS.COM)
Subject: lush in boston...
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:50:08 -0400
From: Lorraine Lelis (lfl3858@IS4.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:55:39 -0400
From: photon boy (jbriante@UOGUELPH.CA)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:29:07 -0700
From: Chris Mayes (mm211595@OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU)
Subject: HNIA Chicago show doubtful
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:18:57 -700
From: sapna patel (spatel1@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: 4AD - The Label for All Moods...
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:16:01 -700
From: sapna patel (spatel1@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:40:08 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Re: This Rimy River Ltd. (wow!)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:59:44 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:16:21 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Stereolab at the troub
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:01:12 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:45:47 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)

Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 23:53:09 -0400
From: "J. Scott Carradice" (jscottc@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Jens-o-rama!


On April 23rd, Jens Alfke (jens@mooseyard.com) replied to a post I
submitted entitled 4ad-l vs. 4AD.  Whilst I appreciate his thoughts on
the matter and taking time out to make such a lengthy response, I felt
the need to comment on his reply and seek the rest of 4ad-l's input as
well.  The following quotes are all from Jens' reply.  Here goes...

>we do argue about how far back "way back when" was.  (For me it ended >five yea
s ago).

This is regarding when 4AD's "glory days" ended for him.  So, by this
logic "Chlorine Dream" is OK but "In Ribbons" is in the trash can.  If I
went through your collection, would I be unable to find any 4AD releases
from 1992-1996?

>Pink Floyd released some great albums in the 60s and 70s but that >doesn't mean
I can't laugh at them as pompous fat fools now.

Sure, we can critique today's 4AD; they're adults and can take it.
However, to blindly lump the whole post-1991 label in with a barrel of
toxic waste is shortsighted.  Do you base your opinions on just one
listen of a single or album, or what?  On a side note, a friend of mine
is a real Pink Floyd fan and buys all their stuff, gets the T-shirts and
sees them in a huge impersonal arena.  After seeing "Heat", he asked me
about Michael Brook and Lisa Gerrard so I guided him towards "Cobalt
Blue" and "The Mirror Pool", which he really likes.  So, I guess there's
hope for him after all.

>I'm starting to feel that the necessity of "moving forward" is >destroying too 
any bands.  All too frequently it saps their energy.

I agree in part with this rational but also feel that in this case,
"Lovelife" was the album that Lush wanted to release in so far as no one
held a gun to their heads and said "Damn you etherial poofs, put out an
album with poppy radio-friendly songs so you'll get on MTV like Pulp!".

>If you compare to truly innovative labels like Kranky, Too Pure, Warp, >Apollo,
et cetera, 4AD is clinging to the edge of the shallow end of >the pool with its 
air up in a cap.

Witty writing there, Jens.  I've heard and/or own stuff from all the
above mentioned labels and I'm sorry to burst your impression of these
labels but even they have released turkeys.  Not everything they've done
has been memorable, let alone innovative.  4AD included as well; even
Ivo has said there are 4AD releases that probably wouldn't have mattered
if they didn't come out at all.

>Noadays I have a hard time thinking of any current 4AD product that >couldn't b
 programmed by a mainstream alterna-rock station.

Well, I have a hard time thinking of any current 4AD "product" that IS
on modern rock stations.  Have you been hearing Scheer, Kristin Hersh,
Air Miami, Tarnation, Mojave 3 or Liquorice on your local "alterna-rock"
station?  I'd like a station in my area that open minded!  The fact is,
even for Lush, it took four weeks of working and pushing "Ladykillers"
by PolyGram in Toronto for my local "alterna-rock" station CFNY to
finally add it to their playlist!  4AD is more than equipped to take off
its hair cap and swim down to the deep end.

>My feeling is that Ivo ignored or disliked the ambient/techno/drone >revolution


Your second guess was correct.  That style of music simply isn't his cup
of tea.  I'd rather have Ivo NOT release a ambient/techno/drone styled
album if he didn't 100% believe in it, don't you?  And you have
obviously found other outlets for this kind of music anyways.  If you'd
like a semi-4AD take on a more jungle oriented ambient/techno/drone
music, check out Leaf Records.  It's run by 4AD staffer Tony Morley in
London.  Owners of v23's "Modern Calendar '96" may recognise Tony's
name.  He was the guy whom the calendar was dedicated to (T leaf
Morley).  Some of his 12" releases may be of interest to 4ad-l'ers.
Here is a brief discography of most of what Leaf has done:

REEL 1  INVISIBLE SOUNDTRACKS: Volume One
        "Dijecta" written/produced by Mark "Seefeel" Clifford
        "Zurich" co-written/produced by Neal "Mojave 3" Halstead

DOCK 2  BOYMERANG: Proactiv EP
        Features members of Bark Psychosis.

DOCK 3  LUGER: Pass Agent
        written/produced by Joe Gray

DOCK 4  WITCHMAN: The Shape Of Rage EP
        written/produced by John Roome

Tony played Ivo some Leaf stuff and although Ivo isn't the biggest fan
he supports Tony and Leaf's music.  I guess it wont be a part of 4AD's
roster at the present time.  If interested, e-mail Tony: leaf@principia.
com or just call up 4AD's London offices and ask for Tony Morley.  See
if you can get a catalogue!

Jens mentioned Too Pure earlier as part of a group of "truly innovative"
labels.  It's a little known fact that during the first couple years of
Too Pure they almost folded and someone stepped in and made it possible
for Richard and Robert to continue.  Who was this generous person who
felt strongly enough about Too Pure to help financially?  None other
than 4AD's very own Ivo Watts-Russell!  I guess it's kind of like how
Beggars Banquet helped Ivo get 4AD started sixteen years back.

Overall, the point of this letter is to illustrate that 4AD has provided
plenty of new groups a home for their music.  Simply put, would Jens
have even known of Tarnation had "Gentle Creatures" come out on their
old Nuff Said label?  Would Lisa Germano have been releasing stuff like
"Geek The Girl" on Capitol?  4AD is taken for granted with regards to
the quality of music they release as well as the unseen aspects that the
label creates, like the Too Pure link, or giving The Glee Club a shot at
finishing their album and they're on a different label altogether!

1996 looks to be an interesting year at 4AD and I'm sure there will be
releases from them that will find a place in my heart along with the
rest of my 4AD favorites!

- Jeff
jscottc@interlog.com

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 00:26:11 -0400
From: captain dave (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: velour 100 bio


                amen krist-vocals
                trey many-instruments
        it took trey a long time to come up with a name for this band. he
wanted something that sounded like the music made without being high
minded or pretentious. velour 100 seemed like an appropriate choice.
veoulr is a soft, inexpensive and usually recycle material that can be
readily found intrey's wardrobe. the word itself sounds like the many
qualities of the fabric, as does the music that amon and trey have created.
         the quiet latered guitar sounds and fragile singing employed by
velour 100 have a texture similiar to their namesake. many ambient and
atmospheric influences like brian eno, aphex twin, and fsa are "recycled"
together with sparse melodies annd solid rhythms to build velour 100's
own musical landscapes, the band even has asimilar thrifty quality to the
fabric, with trey playing all instruments himself and recording in only
one week at the home of warren defever. warren and trey are in hnia and
trey plays drums for liquorice, both bands being signed to englands' 4ad.
        "it's obvious that trey likes to keep busy, but he was finding
that most of his songwriting didn't fit in with these other
projects"..........i wanted a band where i could experiment with sounds
and take on a larger role in writing songs so i decided to form my own band."
 trey met amon thru a mutual friend at their school, eastern michigan
univ. in oct.'94. at first, amon was going t o sing on the songs trey was
writing for hnia, but when the two began focusing on making their own
project come to fruition. velour 100 played their first show opening for
amon's mom, folk singer jan krist.
        ""most of the lyrics are aobut a specific emotion or circumstance
in my life. i know that they may soujnd ambiguous to people who don't
know the stories behind the songs, but the situations i'm writeing about
are surrounded in my memory by many different feelings and images." these
feelings and images are accompanied with quite appropriate musical
arrangements.
        "the mood on "fall sounds" isn't always calm and quiet, but even
the loud songs still have a fragile and beautiful quality. and unlike
manyreleases, htis is definitely an album, not just  a collection of the
last ten songs this band has written. the cohesive quality of htis record
is enhanded by the lack of silnece between songs-samples , guitar loops
and moog synthesizers lead the listener between each track, serving as a
sort of guide from one scene to the next. velour 100 uses a similar
approach to their live shows by playing straight through their sets with
little or no breaks in the entire show. "it's kind of funny, 'cause
people don't really know when they're supposed to clap"

tooth and nail
pobox 12698
seattle, wa 98111-4698
(206)382-4910
booking(714)863-9632

sorry about the typos, i'm in a hurry.
love,
dave----who is now sober
desarg@mail.wm.edu

Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 22:01:20 -0700
From: Immanuel Kan (immanuel@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: for Trade


Is "Sounds of 4AD" available in HK?  I have been asking my sister to
look for it, but she couldn't find it.  Anyway, are you interested in a
4AD 1996 Calendar?

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:32:44 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Delicatessan


On Mon, 29 Apr 1996, Jon Drahn wrote:

> >if you like the "city of lost children" try "delicatessan" by the same
> >director. i like it slightly better.
>
> I've been wanting to, but am a little squeamish when it comes to cannibalism.
> Is it as visually beautiful as the "colc"?
>
> Jon
>
oh, it's not gross or anything. it's very rich and thick like colc. rent
it. it's at all the video stores. it might even make you hungry...
star vein

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 04:59:14 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo


"James M. Renaud"  writes:

> i talked to davin two days ago about putting a time stereo web page on my
> url. he said that he would ask warren if they were ready for a webpage.
> you can get a catalog. pretty much everything is on cassette only for 4.50
> post paid.

I have put up the list that *k-j* typed in on eyesore, but not in an
extremely visible location.  I think it would be nice to do a site
with graphics and samples and stuff.  And a way to order from Time
Stereo directly.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 15:27:22 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Cocteau to tour australia??


Does anyone know if the Cocteau Twins will tour Australia or not in 1996?

thanx
Arthur

later

Artc


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:44:13 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: for Trade


> What is the going rate for the "Lonely Is An Eyesore" complilation??
>
> Arthur chan

it's at my work for 21.99

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:39:52 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: "Pink Opaque" for sale/trade..random thoughts


On Mon, 29 Apr 1996, Lab User wrote:

> Also, since Warren has done these collaberations with everyone else on
> 4AD AND their mother, when is the big "Kim Deal/Warren Defever" or
> "Kristen Hersh/Warren Defever" projects planned???  Those would truly be
> awesome.  C'mon, people!  We all know it's bound to happen!  Beside John
> McEntire and Steve Albini, whose the most widely used producer in the
> world?  WARREN DEFEVER!  Golly.  Anyway, thanks for listening...
>
well if you're good, keep it coming... go WARREN go!!! go WARREN go!!!
warren does not produce nearly as much as albini or vig or flood, but
maybe he should. some records would be a lot better for it.

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 00:53:07 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau to tour australia??


>Does anyone know if the Cocteau Twins will tour Australia or not in 1996?
>
>thanx
>Arthur
>
>later
>
>Artc

No.
--Gary

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 05:56:47 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Html Demon


I've updated the eyesore data base a few more times.  I didn't feel
that black-on-red was sufficiently obnoxious, so it's now all
yellow-on-red.  Commie colours!  Yum!

I've also gotten some updates and corrections from people the last few
days.  Keep 'em coming.

A request:  There's stuff quite a lot of (old) sleeves that I don't
have scans of.  It would be totally neat if somebody who has access to
un-scanned items could scan them and then put them up for ftp so I
could incorporate the scans in the data base.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:54:57 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: ARE YOU IN A BAND?


if you are in a band you can send a copy of your work for a review on my
web-zine... plus pretty soon, my friend and i are starting up a label, and
we would be looking for acts who would like to release stuff.
write me privately or check out my web-zine.

***********************
star vein**************
***********************
e.l.c.

Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 23:43:38 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo


On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> I have put up the list that *k-j* typed in on eyesore, but not in an
> extremely visible location.  I think it would be nice to do a site
> with graphics and samples and stuff.  And a way to order from Time
> Stereo directly.

  as a courtesy for me and my shaolin pals...
  could you *please* make a correction in that list regarding the
  esp beetles 7" "world on time" as it is a co-release with Shaolin
  Temple and the b-side is from Jennifer Wolski, song tile "hug me
  i'm punk!". this was inconsiderately left off of the original
  time stereo catalogue...


  thanks bunches,
  *k-j* the shaolin cheerleader in a cricket outfit


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:23:35 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: La Cite des Enfants Perdus


>Jeunet & Carot (the directors) comes from the world of TV ads. Delikatessen
>is their first (long) movie, they are very inventive but don't seem to be
>able to come out from this dark ambiance: quite all the people here in France
>have been less impressed by CoLC than Delikatessen.

La Cite des Enfants Perdus was also their last movie. They've 'split'.
They are going to make other movies but not together...

I think Delikatessen was better but I liked La Cite des Enfants Perdus
(bigger budget, bigger things)

>But since this really doesn't have anything to do with 4AD
>we should probably take this to personal e-mail.

I don't think everything on this list has to have 4AD content...


Has anybody seen the CD-ROM version of LCdEP/CotLC?



Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, April 30, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:19:47 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: no opinion


In order that I might avoid harming those subscribers who suffer from
low self esteem, I have decided to modify my style of reviewing so that
it now contains only objective fact and indisputable observation. This of
course means that no response is necessary, since any disagreement that
may arise will have originated from the reader's misunderstanding,
through incompetence or childlike innocence, of either the music or the
review or both.


Cocteau Twins - Milk y Kisses
-----------------------------
Great album cover, but the music is kind of shitty. Notice I did not say
album *art* since only the cover is particularly impressive; a nice image
that led me to believe it had perhaps been chosen by the people who
brought us Treasure and not by the people who brought us Four Calendar
Cafe. But no, I didn't really pay attention to the rest because the rest
is in The Popular Style Of The Day, all that obligatory blurry shit and
unreadable typography. Admittedly some of it is very nice, but still.
  I blow the artwork out of proportion because there is a Back To The
Good Old Days theme here, and it's not working. I didn't say this when
Tishbite came out--or maybe I did but was nice about it, because I wanted
to wait for the album--but this is all a big sellout, and we're not
supposed to notice because we are the ones the band has sold out to. It
doesn't work. The music is phony and hollow. It doesn't want to be trapped
in this regulation Cocteaux Sound cage they've stuck it in. Not that it
deserves better but it's wrong here. They've forced the wrong stuff into
the wrong box, or maybe the reverse. There's no mistaking that the fault
lies with the poor songwriting; the album has about two "moments", which
inhabit the first two songs; the rest is cliche after convention after
stereotype and it doesn't really let up. This does not mean that the
music is *offensive*...not for the most part...only that it's boring and
just a little on the irritating side.
  One gets the idea that they don't care anymore, and i don't blame them.
I don't think they're doing what they wanted to do. If they did, the
production would be adequate, the atmosphere would have highs and lows;
instead we are left with a careless mess that is paradoxically both muddy
and cloying. I cannot accept that they reveled in its creation. I think
they *were* doing what they wanted, back in 1993; they put out a pretty
weak album which was nevertheless honest and passionate...and we pissed
all over it. So we're getting what we deserve, aren't we? This
comeuppance builds to something approaching actual torture as the album
draws to a close, where Seekers Who Are Lovers teases at gorgeous washed
with hints of Medusa, only to build into an overlush cacophony that is
one of the ugliest spectacles in recent memory.
  We said we'd lost them, but we were lying and we knew it and we were
just being bitter and mean, and now thanks to that behavior we have in
Milk and Kisses the album we pretended Four Calendar Cafe was. Tell me
there is no poetic justice in this world. God is great.


Nearly God
----------
Not only is this possibly the badass coolest album since Bird Wood Cage;
it's got some serious evil to contend with, a pinch of that Modula Green
feel but urbanbound and with hints of sex and violence. Okay, a lot of
sex and violence actually.
  My problem with Maxinquaye can be summed up in Black Steel, which is a
tremendous and fun song but which in its own special way ruins the
album...and it might not, except that it is not alone, and a super hip
record is a wee bit spoiled by outbursts that seem unwarranted and
inappropriate. Here there is none of that, and Nearly God is a seamless
ride through Trickydom, an uncompromising, visionary hallucination that
is all one might hope for or expect but which only benefits from the
whole supergroup thing. Instead of the usual irritating nonmelding of
conflicting talents for which projects like this (including Post) are
known, it's all in perfect working order here, no one seeming to step on
anyone else's toe but each collaboration with its own unique flavor,
and therefore each collaboration irreplaceable and necessary.
  The music itself ranges from dark and unpleasant and disturbing to
dark and erotic and epic, covering many of the shades between and on the
outskirts. There is nothing exactly earthshattering here in terms of
songwriting, no priceless basslines or incredible, shocking chord changes
or melodic noodling--there's not even an Overcome or an Aftermath to
knight the damned thing--but that's hardly something I care about or even
notice, considering all the rest. Here we have our long awaited
replacement for This Mortal Coil; perfect on its own terms, as new as
anything ought to be.


Beaumont Hannant - Texturology
------------------------------
Even I won't rip on and album that's been out for two years (not unless
it's by Dead Can Dance), so you may have guessed that the reason I'm
reviewing this now is that it has a hell of a long learning curve. In
fact, I used to hate this album. Once upon a time, I liked almost
everything that was coming out, and occasionally I thought I must be
losing either my taste or my mind. My defenses against this argument were
the everhorrid Mouse on Mars, who eat it yet, and this Beaumont Hannant
album.
  I'm not entertaining any notions that Vulvaland will someday become an
essential staple in my life; Texturology always had its good points, and
it was these that galvanized my distaste for everything else on the
album. The thing opens powerfully, with one of the better dance tracks I
can think to name, and continues into probably the only tune here I
always loved...but later on, or so my eternally young and naive ears once
thought, it got a little obnoxious. In fact, I soon became fed up with
track one. What killed this album for me, and I can imagine might have
driven others from it, is the harsh snare. It is everywhere, and those in
the know understand that in ambient music and idm this is Not Allowed;
it is, after all, a Rock Thing.
  The thing is, fuck ambient music, because it works anyway...but that's
easier said than done when the air is full of brilliant music that is all
vastly different. So what if there were a few rules? The rules were there
for a reason. To protect us from the dark god Science who blackened the
Earth. To ensure that humans never learned again of the existence of
Magic. That sort of baloney.
  I've mentioned in the past that I'm drawn to music that reminds me of
video games; the lush, mysterious atmospheres found in the best Japanese
role playing games. This fetish commands my love of Solitaire and G Spot
and Moby's _Ambient_ and another select few, and only when Texturology
latched onto the thitherto unrepresented harsher side of that world did
it gain a foothold. This is music for the part where the giant spaceship
falls from the sky in a thousand pieces, the part where the robot dies
and the girl cries over its corpse, the place where the forbidden
technology is buried, but from whence it shall surely rise again. It
treads the same ground as Incunabula and A Collection of Short Stories
but with more violence and greater tragedy. Which, translated, means if
you are trusting and let down your defenses and welcome it in, it's not
really obnoxious, and it's not really syrupy. It's emotional and it's
real, and it's as epic and important and spellbinding as the best Dead
Can Dance, the best Future Sound of London.
  Forgive the long spew here, but this is an album that is sorely
undersung, one that I've not seen mentioned here at all. For months it
has been an essential bit of my existence, and by communicating that as
well as possible here I hope I can point maybe a few friends and
strangers in the direction of an album which, if it clicks, can really
captivate you and even change your life a little.
  I'd like to amend my Best of 94 list, please, to include this one
somewhere very near the top.


 e


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 04:53:10 EDT
From: seann harding (103476.1771@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: 4AD 10" SERIES


In the official 4AD site's interview with LUSH, the group mentions having to
come up with three tracks for the 4AD 10" series as well as a track for a new
4AD compilation.  Any ideas on this new comp?

- JK

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 02:28:26 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Jeunet & Caro


Just indie film bullshit here. Totally offtopic.

On Mon, 29 Apr 1996, James M. Renaud wrote:

> if you like the "city of lost children" try "delicatessan" by the same
> director. i like it slightly better.

Actually, two directors, one of which is to be at the helm of Alien:
Resurrection, so I am told. (At least until they kick him off the project
and find someone younger and less established whose carreer they can
attempt to ruin.)

In related news, the two Jeunet & Caro movies sported the cinematographer
from Se7en (kind of a genius; i yam a fan) who will also be on the new
Bernardo Bertolucci movie or someone.

Also, there is a PC game coming out based on The City of Lost Children.
It looks a little like Alone in the Dark. Cute. Psygnosis is doing it.
Small article with two pictures on page 53 ov the new (#17) Next
Generation.

Delicatessen is a killer movie. CLC confused me and I have to see it
again. These movies have the coolest people in them.

  e


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 02:53:12 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: still more deli


On Mon, 29 Apr 1996, Jon Drahn wrote:

> >if you like the "city of lost children" try "delicatessan" by the same
> >director. i like it slightly better.

(spoilers, be warned)

> I've been wanting to, but am a little squeamish when it comes to cannibalism.
> Is it as visually beautiful as the "colc"?

It's pretty subtle and only in a fairly funny sort of way. There are a
few gruesome murder scenes but the cannibalism is all in the dialogue and
in certain implications. Moreover, it's funny; I found it inoffensive
where I might not have because although there ishumor involved, it is not
taken lightly, the villains are the ones doing it, and the film is not at
all sympathetic to them or mocking of anyone else.

Put simply, I don't dig that shit either but the movie rocks. :)


 e

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 02:46:52 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Evening at the Grange


On Mon, 29 Apr 1996, Jens Alfke wrote:

> Husikesque "Green Blue Fire" (Astralwerks)

Thank you for the review. Is the artist name Husikesque? This might
explain why I never see it anywhere.

> So in return can someone who has the previous "Evening At the Grange"
> (e?) tell me more about it? I recall hearing one track from it and it was
> somewhat Seefeely.

That would probably be Textured, which starts out Seefeely but becomes a
little more poppy. It's a rather irritating version of a song that is
also on Hannant's compilation Sculptured. it appears as hisown
instrumental on Texturology and is much better than the EP version. (For
all I know it could be his theme song?)

The ep is great if you listen to it as a whole, but taken separately
maybe not. The last song is an annoying version of "Star" from Joyride. I
mean it's very annoying, full of big thick drums in a sort of beach party
housey beat or something, and the electronics are, pardon the expression,
wack.

The three good songs on the ep are great and worth the price of a short
ep, but they are depressing as hell. I realize you are probably looking
for some Lida Husik that will put you in a really great mood ;) but
honestly, they are even worse than Sweet Lavender. One song, Gregory
Peck, i can't even listen to. The atmosphere is very bleak in a peaceful
electronic way.

I might as well mention here that Sculptured also has two tracks with her
on it (one of which is Textured), and that I dislike the album in
general. It is openly a collection of both good and bad music. Hannant
states that he wants to share his successes as wel as his failures. Yeah,
well I paid $21.50 for those failures. No thanks.


 e


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 07:29:46 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high...


        You Kids Who Just Say No, Disregard The Following:


        Firstly, in terms of 'first' drug experiences, marijuana
        can be tricky in that often one doesnt get high the first time.
        At least for me personally it took a few tastes before
        it _really_ started to get me off.  So be prepared.

        But if and when you do get high, Song to the Siren should
        be on your playlist, as should all of Victorialand (esp.
        Lazy Calm, oomingmak, and How To Bring A Blush To The Snow).
        Barramundi from It'll End In Tears is also a good one to
        get lost in.

        Pot often but not always enhances one's ability to percieve
        and interpret music and sound. Music made by druggies will
        sometimes reveal itself more fully to listeners on the same
        'vibe'.  Matching the drugs one takes to the drugs
        used on a record (or thought to be used on a particular record)
        can be enlightening.  If you seek the full effect,
        however, it is my experience that LSD is key.
        Auditory hallucinations-a-plenty there.  Good luck!

        P.S. Here Are My Top Ten Drug Records

        *his name is alive: livonia

        *his name is alive: home is in your head

        *love and rockets: kundalini express 12" (holiday on the moon b-side!)

        *steely dan: countdown to exstacy

        *cocteau twins: bonus cd from boxed set ('dials' and 'high monkey...')

        *skinny puppy: warlock 12"

        *dead can dance: within the realm of a dying sun

        *cocteau twins: love's easy tears

        *TMC: either 'blood' or 'it'll end in tears'

        *cocteau twins: tishbite #2


        (*subject to change without notice)

        dan k.


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 05:36:18 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high...


On Mon, 29 Apr 1996, [suppressed] wrote:

> If I wanna get high for the first time(rite of passage, gotta do it)
> Which albums(Cocteau Twins/This Mortal Coil) would you recommend, if at all,
> while you're high?  The folks I'll be with have never heard of 4AD and I
> don't want to come across as a kook.  They're Pink Floydians, but the
> sounds are "similar" in ambience, are they not?  I'm thinking
> VIctorialand or Blue Bell Knoll, but I want an opinion from someone
> who's experienced the "feel" to give me a recommedation.

I recommend Zoviet*France's _That Which Is Not True_ or Lustmord's
_Heresy_ for the best possible mind enlightening experience. Coil's
_Hellrlaiser Themes_ are also pretty slammin! I do, however, suggest
losing your virginity first.

(End of thread. Go bye bye now.)



 e

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:09:50 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Slowdive


> When it comes to Slowdive I haven't heard any of the much talked about
> EPs, I've got Just For A Day on tape as I'm unable to track it down on CD.
> However I've got Souvlaki on CD (American version with 4 or 5 bonus tracks
> on it) and Pygmalion..

What!?  What are the extra tracks?

moran@hal-pc.org


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:39:38 -0400
From: Nikkw@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: cocteau us tour dates....


> June 27 - Rockford, IL - Lollapaloo

>lolla fuckin' palooza? will this work? will the masses catch >on? will we
>not have to suffer thru delayed release dates and import >prices?
>what will tomorrow bring?
>
>i'm there for the june 9 date in d.c. anyone else?
>dave
>desarg@mail.wm.edu

I'm definitely there!  I wondered for a moment why they're playing at the
it will be.  Can't wait to see Liz about 6 feet in front of me :-).

NIKK

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:10:50 EDT
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: If you wanna get high...

              

just when you thought it was safe to get back in the water...
No matter what youlisten to, be sure to include somewhere in the trip
Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" at an unreasonably loud volume.  (Really-
I wouldn't steer you wrong.)

the (recently) quiet one

Gay Church
University of Virginia, Health Sciences Center
lgc2c@virginia.mcc.edu
804-924-2930

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:38:21 +0800
From: Lim Kian Hong (qland@PACIFIC.NET.SG)
Subject: Re: for Trade


At 02:07 PM 4/30/96 +1000, you wrote:

>What is the going rate for the "Lonely Is An Eyesore" complilation??
>
>Arthur chan
>

i've got it from a 2nd hand CD shop = S$12.00 good price?


1)Lonely Is An Eyesore
2)Lonely Is An Eyesore (limited edition)
3)Lonely Is An Eyesore (deluxe limited edition) ?
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 07:07:41 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Songs to commit suicide to


I wonder if any listies could help me. I want to commit suicide this weekend
(well it beats taking drugs) and I was wondering what was good termination
music. Of course I'll need it to be able to blend in to where I'm going afterwar
s,
so careful thought is required. And oh yes, I'll be jumping off a tall building 
ith a walkman,
so short songs will be best.

So far I've considered Tipp City because at least I'll have a taste of the hell 
o come.

Farewell cruel world
Chris

I just bought Zoon (against better judgement, but it was ltd), if I like it I ma
 reconsider.
If not, I'll go out to Carl

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:27:18 +0000
From: Jamin Suwandi (jamin@VIVID.NET)
Subject: Re: Slowdive


The extra tracks on Slowdive's Souvlaki are 1. some velvet morning
                                            2. good day sunshine
                                            3. missing you
                                            4. country rain

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:42:36 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to


        "crowds" by bauhaus. i kill myself to it all the time.

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 00:56:05 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: for Trade


>> What is the going rate for the "Lonely Is An Eyesore" complilation??
>>
>> Arthur chan
>
>it's at my work for 21.99

YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!
ARTC

later

Artc


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:33:33 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: music to kill yourself to


I vote for Jacques Brel's "Voir un ami pleurer"

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 00:56:02 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Great Graphics.


This in a way a reply to einexile the meek's review:

I also thought that the design of the New Cocteau Twins was rather good.
Although the use of blurred type is rather cliche but it was appropriate
here.It reflect the music quite well. The colour, images and use of type is
good, nice touch.
As a graphic designer, I like it.

I'm keen to hear dicussion on the better designed 4AD stuff. What is your
fav. cover artwork?

Arthur

later

Artc

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:51:33 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: 10" series


There has been talk for some time that 4AD would be doing a series of 10".
 They will be limited edition ( total numbers according to the popularity of
the bands). Each band signed to the label would be doing a 10".  They would
record new songs for the the 10" only.  It is supposed to start soon?  Maybe
the fall?


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:50:03 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Slowdive


> The extra tracks on Slowdive's Souvlaki are 1. some velvet morning
>                                             2. good day sunshine
>                                             3. missing you
>                                             4. country rain
>
oops.  thought they were talking about _pygmalion_.  sorry

moran@hal-pc.org

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:28:14 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Slowdive EPs


This is to all of you Slowdive fans out there who don't have the eps or _Blue
Day_.  Fuck you.
How goddam lazy were you that you couldn't buy the EP's when they were out?
And then when they were (near-completely) compiled onto one CD, again, what was
the problem?  Maybe if they had gotten more support a little sooner, they would
have been more successful.  I only got to see them live once, when they opened
for Ride.  I honostly don't think they ever came near the midwest USA after
that.
You want the EPs? Yeah I'll sell mine for a "reasonable price". How about
US$100 each.  Didn't somebody recently post that at least one of them was still
in print?  Lazy, lazy, lazy. Mail order is a wonderful institution.  It's one
of the ways I manage to buy music that the shitty record stores around here
(both chain and independent) don't carry.  I wish I could say I was sorry for
sounding like such a cock, but I'm not.  Some of us bust our asses for the
bands we like, only to watch them break up, and then people are saying "they
were great.  They were the best. blah blah blah."  It's too late now.

A guy with too much time on his hands,
--Gary

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:42:21 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: LIAE versions


>>it's at my work for 21.99

>YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!

That should be quite typical. After all it's not out of print
or anything, so it should be easily found at normal import prices.

CAD 703 - The versions

CAD 703. The normal, everyday version of LIAE. Vinyl, CD
Cassette. The CD has an abnormally large booklet that's
hard to put back in the case without starting to damage it.

CAD D 703. The limited edition. This is vinyl only, and it
comes in a deluxe insert-fold-out sleeve with an LP sized booklet.
It's easily identified from being about three times thicker
that a normal sleeve. The normal version does not have the
booklet.

CAD X 703. The legendary deluxe limited edition. Comes with
all formats, even the video, in a wooden box. Only 100 were made.
I personally know where about 5 are. I think it's fair to say
that this is the rarest, most sought after item 4AD has made.

VAD 703. The video. It's available in both PAL and NTSC formats,
and as far as I know, it not out of print, although it does
seem hard to find. Bootkegs exist. Comes with a booklet similar
to the CD's.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:37:51 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Great Graphics.


On Wed, 1 May 1996, Arthur Chan wrote:
>
> I'm keen to hear dicussion on the better designed 4AD stuff. What is your
> fav. cover artwork?


        *my all-time favorite 4AD cover art has to be the sleeve for
         Livonia (his name is alive).  v23 went _all out_ on the vinyl
         for this one, and i believe that the typography used here
         for the first time (?) [that shadow-box idea] became a staple in later
         chris bigg sleeves.  The texture of the images really comes out
         due to some seemingly unique paper-stock.  I have the cd also,
         and notice with pleasure that the 'original' design principle
         was centered around the vinyl format, and that this was later
         adapted for the cd format.

         continuing the 'yeay vinyl!' thread, those who have the lp or
         the tape will notice that the album sequence is arranged with
         a similar focus on the 2 sided format. the 'whatever' that begins
         side b, etc...

         so that's my vote for best sleeve.  pick #2 might have been
         the dirt eaters ep, or maybe Surfer Rosa.

         dan k.

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:46:11 -0400
From: liles melissa m (mmlile@FACSTAFF.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins in D.C.


Haven't been to the new 9:30 club location...heard it was in an old
gym...is this true?  Does Liz and co. have to compete with basketball
hoops?  Could this be more intimate?  I think Lisner is pretty
intimate!
Tell me its not true...any opinions on the new site?
    mml


> Date:          Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:39:38 -0400

>
> I'm definitely there!  I wondered for a moment why they're playing at the
> 9:30 as opposed to Lisner.  But then I thought about how much more intimate
> it will be.  Can't wait to see Liz about 6 feet in front of me :-).
>
> NIKK
>
>

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:01:35 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: for BiZ


Sorry but i seem to have deleted your address.

email me, i want to trade!

moran@hal-pc.org


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:21:12 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Review of Husikesque [Re: Was it Area? I will show you how!


Fred gripes:
>I was really disappointed by the song, " Bad Head Day" on CMJ Monthly. I
>describe it as a really weak attempt to capture people to listen to weak,
>trite, wannabe ambient music. I must assure those out there is 4ADland that
>this is not ambient music.

Hmm, let's review: it's got a bouncy beat, singing, clear lyrics,
verse/chorus structure. I really don't think anyone out there is likely
to confuse this with ambient music, broad though that pigeonhole has
become.
Maybe if you listen to it without hoping for something ambient, it will
improve. I like it quite a bit as a catchy piece of synth-pop. But your
tastes may differ.

>Please tell me the album is stronger than this song.

It's definitely the most poppy thing on the album, by a long shot, but if
you want an ambient album this is not it -- all but a few songs are
_songs_ and not ambient pieces.

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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:26:15 -0700
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide/take drugs to


        Suicide: There are so many but as I like to keep people near suicide
around I'll suggest one that will keep you here, at least one more day:
        Monty Python's "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" with the lines
                "Life's a piece of shit,
                        when you look at it
                blah blah blah,
                        and death's the final world,
                so if you're feeling rotten,
                        there's something you've forgotten,
                and that's to laugh and dance and smile and sing."

        If you still decide to do the dirty deed, please do not be so
unoriginal as to decide on a Joy Division cut.  Choose Chic's "Good Times,"
though it is eight minutes long.

        Drugs: Now that The Orb has left the dancefloor, drugs are about
the only thing their music is good for.

        Yours,
        David.
__________________________________________________________________________
David McCallum                                            mccallum@efn.org
                http://www.efn.org/~mccallum/arkane.html
               -a shrimpy shrine to the music of a.r.kane

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:27:36 -0500
From: Michael Peter Stein (mps2@CEC.WUSTL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs


>I honostly don't think they ever came near the midwest USA after that.

They played the Chicago Metro in May, 1994 on the self-funded SOUVLAKI tour
with Cath Carrol and Eternalux as support.

-Mike Stein
 mps2@cec.wustl.edu

PS I'm someone who wasn't "lazy" and bought all their EPs and BLUE DAY :)

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:20:27 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Re: delicatessen


On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, James M. Renaud wrote:

>oh, it's not gross or anything. it's very rich and thick like colc. rent
>it. it's at all the video stores. it might even make you hungry...

Rich and thick... sounds like a milkshake.  Yum yum!  Okay, I'm game (no pun
intended).  I hope I can find it around here.

Jon

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:35:27 EDT
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: Songs to commit suicide to

              

just when you thought it was safe to get back in the water...
Of course, anything by Joy Division (of the "needless to say" category).

gay (no longer quiet)

Gay Church
University of Virginia, Health Sciences Center
lgc2c@virginia.mcc.edu
804-924-2930

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:57:14 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: music to kill yourself to


>I vote for Jacques Brel's "Voir un ami pleurer"

Or "Don't Worry, Be Happy"?

Or maybe not...

Jake

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:59:32 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs


>This is to all of you Slowdive fans out there who don't have the eps or _Blue
>Day_.  Fuck you.



So how do you _really_ feel, Gary?

Jake

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:28:37 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: MUSIC TO COMMIT SUICIDE TO


Three letters:

J M C


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:27:43 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high...


On Mon, 29 Apr 1996, Jamin Suwandi wrote:

> I'd recommend neither one. I prefer 'only shallow' by MBV and 'spread
> your wings' by Spiritualized.
>


Absolutely!!!!!!! I'm tripping out just thinking about it now. Please,
take our advice and have a nice trip!!!!

_Bri

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:49:55 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: whoops. . .


that last message was supposed to go to chris, but i messed up.  btw,
"failure" by the swans would be really good suicide music. . .

BiZ

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:36:07 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Stereolab at the troub


So i got to see Stereolab at the troubadour last night. And let me just say it
was awesome. Now for a more detailed review.

The opening act was TrackStar. I thought they were not very interesting. They
hail out of San Fransisco and sounded on most of the songs like they were
ripping off every Wedding Present and Pavement chord and riff in the book.
Both guy voalists (it was 3 guys, 2 guitars one drummer) couldn;t really sing
anf covered up the vocals with a bunch of guitars. Not to mention the last
song when the drummer accidentally let fly of a drumstick that hit a girl in
the audience in the head.

Second up were Prolapse. Very interesting I thought. A bunch of scottish dudes
and a girl who looked very young. (I am guessing scottish because of the
accents, i could be wrong though).
The music was ok. The stage presence of the lead vocalists (a guy and the
girl) was very interesting, they kept playing around with a sac of ice and
throwing water at each other and the audience and acted like a couple having a
fight, pushing each other and pouting a pacing. I thought it was very weird
(in a good way). Some songs were bad some were really good (the last 3 songs
specially).
Overall very interesing.

Around 10:30 Stereolab took the stage. Now that was exciting (never seen them
before live). They had a bunch of problems with their equipment for the first
3-4 songs, but it still sounded good. Laetitia and Mary did a good job and
entertaining the audience while the difficulties were being dealt with. Having
us guess which band member would be next to have a problem with their
equipment. I am not gonna go through the set list because I cannot remember it
all and am not too familiar with the names of the new songs. They also had a
"special guest star" as Laetitia introduced him who was none other than the
king of cool Sonic Boom. He was doing the samples and sequencing stuff. He
looked his usual cool self smoking cigarette after cigarette in his corner and
wearing those damn dark glasses. (Little sad thought for the demise of
Spaceman 3 here).
After the first 5 songs, Stereolab got into real gear and the show rocked!!!
They had a bunch of songs that lasted about 10 minutes each. But most
impressive was their closing song/music or whatever that was. After they came
back for the encore, they ended with this song that (title anyone?) went
through the normal phase first (vocals-melody-etc.) after which It got into
the "jamming phase" as i call it, where all instruments turned into this one
drone chord, Tim got on his kness and started playing with his pedal f/x for
15 mins. soon joined by mary and her guitar, Morgane and Laetitia played their
one chord for the entire 20 mins the song lasted. And of course a huge word of
praise here for Andy (the drummer) who kept the entire 15 mins alove by
drumming away like crazy, i never realized how good of a drummer he is. That
closer was just "something else". I was blown away. the song lasted at least
20 mins all in all.

Last words, i am really glad i saw them finally and was blown away.
For those who were there, i hope you share my opinion.
For those who weren't I can only say sorry you missed a great show and if you
have a chance to see them next time, be there...

i'm out

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:48:40 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to


>I wonder if any listies could help me. I want to commit suicide this weekend
>(well it beats taking drugs) and I was wondering what was good termination

well, i guess you won't be needing that . . .and dog bones too. . .i'm
supposed to send you.  i'll have to offer it to someone else. . .;)

sorry about the delay.  i'm really broke and am going to try to send it
after i pay my next set of bills.  i haven't forgotten you.

BiZ


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:06:14 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high...


dan'l writes:
>        Pot often but not always enhances one's ability to percieve
>        and interpret music and sound.

controlled substances.]

True -- it probably varies by individual but in my case it made me able
to take apart the mix into individual tracks, concentrating on particular
sounds. For this reason any intricate music, whether intricate in
production or in performance, becomes pretty amazing. This being the '80s
my friends and I loved listening to Talking Heads albums. This being the
_early_ 80s the Heads were still gods and we didn't have any crap like
"Speaking In Tongues" and later to deal with. I _highly_ recommend
"Remain In Light", which will give you huge numbers of overdubs and
layers to peel off and chew on. Even the earlier Eno-produced Heads
albums like "More Songs About Buildings And Food" are surprisingly
complexly layered.

Of 4AD music, "Head Over Heels" is wonderful although dark. Of recent
thislisty stuff I suspect that "Loveless" would be pretty neat, as would
Seefeel's "Polyfusia" or "Quique".

A warning: Despite the musical delights I found pot to be ultimately, for
me, a negative experience. It rendered me (a) unable to put together a
coherent sentence and (b) paranoid about being recognized by straight
people as stoned, so it was very much not a social drug unless you count
lying around speechless in a smoke-filled room with a bunch of other
people listening to loud music a social experience. My instinct is to
beware any nonsocial drug experience -- one of the main benefits of any
mind-altering substance is its ability to homogenize different people's
mental states and bring them closer to the same state, and to remove
excess social inhibitions. Without that you're just sliding deeper into
yourself which is often a very negative direction to go in.

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                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

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                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:17:47 -0700
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to


Another Day from It'll End In Tears  worked really well for me.  It was
quick, painless and very peaceful, you kook.

On Tue, 30 Apr 1996 Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM wrote:

> I wonder if any listies could help me. I want to commit suicide this weekend
> (well it beats taking drugs) and I was wondering what was good termination
> music. Of course I'll need it to be able to blend in to where I'm going afterw
rds,
> so careful thought is required. And oh yes, I'll be jumping off a tall buildin
 with a walkman,
> so short songs will be best.
>
> So far I've considered Tipp City because at least I'll have a taste of the hel
 to come.
>
> Farewell cruel world
> Chris
>
> I just bought Zoon (against better judgement, but it was ltd), if I like it I 
ay reconsider.
> If not, I'll go out to Carl
>

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:30:31 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Jens-o-rama!


J. Scott Carradice wrote:
>This is regarding when 4AD's "glory days" ended for him.  So, by this
>logic "Chlorine Dream" is OK but "In Ribbons" is in the trash can.  If I
>went through your collection, would I be unable to find any 4AD releases
>from 1992-1996?

Actually 1992 was the last year that had things I liked -- I still have
"In Ribbons" and "Spooky" (though I don't listen to them that often), and
I really enjoy TWP's "Queer" and Unrest's "Isabel Bishop" and "Cath
Carroll" EPs.
No, you won't find anything later than 1992, however. About once a year I
buy something on 4AD -- "Split", "Funky Little Demons", "Me Me Me" come
to mind -- listen to it for a week or two, then decide it's insipid and
return or sell it.

>I agree in part with this rational but also feel that in this case,
>"Lovelife" was the album that Lush wanted to release

Probably true. In Lush's case I feel the damage was done in 1990 after
the coke-addled Robin Guthrie bought them too many guitar pedals and
started producing them. If "Gala" weren't in reverse order (why???) you
could clearly hear their gleeful noise being molded into the 4AD pattern,
which worked for a year or so until they recorded "Spooky". I'm happy
that they've shaken that sound off but it appears that the experience was
a damaging one.

>I've heard and/or own stuff from all the
>above mentioned labels and I'm sorry to burst your impression of these
>labels but even they have released turkeys.  Not everything they've done
>has been memorable, let alone innovative.

True; but _most_ of it has been innovative and experimental, which is
something I don't hear on 4AD any more. (My argument wasn't really about
quality.)

>Well, I have a hard time thinking of any current 4AD "product" that IS
>on modern rock stations.

I said "couldn't be", not "isn't". I do not fathom the ways of commercial
radio programmers or major label promotions departments, but based on the
music I don't see why Scheer and Air Miami couldn't be in heavy rotation
on a modern-rock station or Kristin Hersh on one of the slightly more
laid-back "AAA" stations. It's just not that different musically.

>Simply put, would Jens
>have even known of Tarnation had "Gentle Creatures" come out on their
>old Nuff Said label?  Would Lisa Germano have been releasing stuff like
>"Geek The Girl" on Capitol?

I don't see the relation here -- I was arguing about innovation, not
about exposure. Sure, 4AD gives many small bands exposure. That's what
record labels are for. I just don't think they're anywhere near the most
interesting small bands around.

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                                            _____________________________
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:28:51 -0700
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: for Trade


On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Arthur Chan wrote:

> I have a double CD set of "Sounds of 4AD" released (1995) in South East
> Asia licenced by Red Hot Inc with Lennon Records (Taiwan) to raise money
> for AIDS Charity.
>
> It's a limited edition and only avaliable in SE Asia. The CDs "One" and
> "Two" has the exact song list as the 2 CDs in the LILLIPUT BOOK. It also
> comes with a 4AD box that will fit 5 CDs. (email me for the song list.)
> It's the closest thing that some will come to the Lilliput book.
>
> Is there anyone out there who might want to trade it for a 4AD book (This
> Rimy River) or a 4AD calendar/ poster set ect.? I want something like a
> book or poster hardcopy. Negotiable
>
> What is the going rate for the "Lonely Is An Eyesore" complilation??
>
> Arthur chan
>
> later
>
> Artc
>

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 15:24:34 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high (delete if sick of this thread)


        **Dis/Pro claimer: I use pot frequently, and a variety
        **of other hallucinatory chemicals as well.


On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Jens Alfke wrote:

> A warning: Despite the musical delights I found pot to be ultimately, for
> me, a negative experience. 
   ...It rendered me (a) unable to put together a coherent sentence and (b) para
oid about being recognized by straight
> people as stoned, so it was very much not a social drug unless you count
> lying around speechless in a smoke-filled room with a bunch of other
> people listening to loud music a social experience. My instinct is to
> beware any nonsocial drug experience -- one of the main benefits of any
> mind-altering substance is its ability to homogenize different people's
> mental states and bring them closer to the same state, and to remove
> excess social inhibitions.

        *i quite agree with Jens' observation regarding the pleasure
         of having one's mental state in homogeneous and uninhibited
         sync with that of those you are gettin high with.  Group
         activities of this sort allow one to verify and validate
         (and thereby document ?) the reality/actuality of the event.
         Having simultaneous hallucinations with others is quite a bonding
         experience, and allows the comfort of knowing one isnt _just
         seeing things_, or crazy.


 Without that you're just sliding deeper into
> yourself which is often a very negative direction to go in.

        *but there's different and perhaps more exhilirating
         effects when soloing.  That sliding deeply into onesself
         should be a negative experience i think depends on what's
         down there hiding from you.  how fantastic to be able to
         eat a 1cm by 1cm square of paper and have one's entire
         electrochemical stew stirred for 12 hours!
         im more of the opinion that there is at least equal pleasure
         if not value in both situations of drug taking.   being outside
         one's typical conciousness is a trip, but what a waste not to
         look back inside while one is able to take advantage of that unique
         vantage point!



 ....flying thru the universe....thinking is the best way to travel!!!

        The Moody Blues?

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:32:09 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: stereolab/sonic boom


can anyone tell me if sonic boom is/has been playing for all the stereolab dates

god, i hope so.

thanks,
alan

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 15:48:26 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo


>   as a courtesy for me and my shaolin pals...
>   could you *please* make a correction in that list regarding the
>   esp beetles 7" "world on time" as it is a co-release with Shaolin
>   Temple and the b-side is from Jennifer Wolski, song tile "hug me
>   i'm punk!". this was inconsiderately left off of the original
>   time stereo catalogue...
>
>
>   thanks bunches,
>   *k-j* the shaolin cheerleader in a cricket outfit
>
good ole jennifer wolski!
i have some hilarious jennifer wolski memories.
i know it's not very listy, but who gives a fuck. jennifer wolski played
at this bar in ferndale, mi. it was a country called the new way bar and
wolski is a noise outfit. the patrons went bizerk. i'll never forget this
fat, white-trash, toothless lady just screaming right in their faces to
start playing real muzik. another drunk guy had to hold her back. i
thought i was gonna be in the middle of this huge bar fight, but wolski
decided that it was against their interest and gracefully exited the
"stage." what was funny is that my band had to play next. we thought of
going acoustic just to make it out alive. just a side note...we didn't get
paid.

the seven inch is quite cool. even if you don't care for noise, the
packaging is quite neat.

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:11:08 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: stereolab/sonic boom


Mail*Link(r) SMTP               stereolab/sonic boom

I don't know if you read my review of last night's show but yes Sonic Boom was
there. He doesn't really do much but stand in a corner and play the noise
sounds from a sampler. And also smoke a lot of cigarettes.
but he is very cool...

-Sonic Boy-

>>>Someone wrote<<<<<
>can anyone tell me if sonic boom is/has been playing for all the stereolab
>dates.
>god, i hope so.

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:04:34 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs


Some of us weren't fortunate enough to discover the band until AFTER they
broke up.  Duh.

jason eugene

On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, o-o-o wrote:

> This is to all of you Slowdive fans out there who don't have the eps or _Blue
> Day_.  Fuck you.
> How goddam lazy were you that you couldn't buy the EP's when they were out?
> And then when they were (near-completely) compiled onto one CD, again, what wa

> the problem?  Maybe if they had gotten more support a little sooner, they woul

> have been more successful.  I only got to see them live once, when they opened
> for Ride.  I honostly don't think they ever came near the midwest USA after
> that.
> You want the EPs? Yeah I'll sell mine for a "reasonable price". How about
> US$100 each.  Didn't somebody recently post that at least one of them was stil

> in print?  Lazy, lazy, lazy. Mail order is a wonderful institution.  It's one
> of the ways I manage to buy music that the shitty record stores around here
> (both chain and independent) don't carry.  I wish I could say I was sorry for
> sounding like such a cock, but I'm not.  Some of us bust our asses for the
> bands we like, only to watch them break up, and then people are saying "they
> were great.  They were the best. blah blah blah."  It's too late now.
>
> A guy with too much time on his hands,
> --Gary
>


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:18:40 -0400
From: John Greene (jgreene@DELNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide/take drugs to


Get high and then listen to 'Dark Side of the Moon' by Pink Floyd. You'll want t
 kill
yourself.

John

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:17:45 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to


if this message is a joke than i don't find it funny in the least. suicide
is not something to joke around with. i have had two great friends shoot
themselves in the head. i was never laughing. in fact every time i laugh
at anything these days i feel extremely guilty. suicide has left me
wrecked. some days nothing helps. suicide is the full extenuation of the
egocentric attitude. you feel you can't go on so you die. do you
realize how many other people you will deeply hurt? i had to wash
my friend's floor after he shot himself. there was so much blood. so much
blood that it leaked throught the cracks of his wooden floor on the second
floor that it made a puddle in the dining room. who are you gonna let see
your dead blue flesh and cracked open head? do you think the scheer album
is gross? i had to go through this twice.  obviously i don't know
you, but if you're serious and follow through, i would feel very upset. i
wish people could get through the pride and the depression to just ask
someone to help. that is strength, to ask for help, to pull through
together. the whole world isn't cruel. suicide makes things crueler. just
ask someone who has gone through it.

i'm sorry it's so down, but it hurts to hear things like that...
star vein
***************************************************************************
 On Tue, 30 Apr 1996 Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM wrote:

> I wonder if any listies could help me. I want to commit suicide this weekend
> (well it beats taking drugs) and I was wondering what was good termination
> music. Of course I'll need it to be able to blend in to where I'm going afterw
rds,
> so careful thought is required. And oh yes, I'll be jumping off a tall buildin
 with a walkman,
> so short songs will be best.
>
> So far I've considered Tipp City because at least I'll have a taste of the hel
 to come.
>
> Farewell cruel world
> Chris
>
> I just bought Zoon (against better judgement, but it was ltd), if I like it I 
ay reconsider.
> If not, I'll go out to Carl
>

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:23:13 -0400
From: John Greene (jgreene@DELNET.COM)
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high...


Music to get high to, hmmm.... sign on to 2400 Fulton Street ( the Jefferson Air
lane
mailing list). I'll bet there are plenty of old hippies there who would love to 
elp you
out. Personally I always liked 'After Bathing At Baxters'... but that was a looo
nngg
time ago.

John

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:45:26 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: McCallum's Do Yourself Ditties


And Messr. McCallum spake...

>>If you still decide to do the dirty deed, please do not be so
unoriginal as to decide on a Joy Division cut.  Choose Chic's "Good Times,"
though it is eight minutes long.<<

I second that selection! Shaking one's butt whilst shaking off those earthly
shackles...or shuffling those feet whilst shuffling off this mortal coil!!!
Getting down and going under.

Actually, isn't suicide in itself unoriginal. Hmmmm. Ponder, ponder.

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:45:25 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Phat Eyesore Booklet and others


Lonely is as lonely does...

>>CAD 703. The normal, everyday version of LIAE. Vinyl, CD
Cassette. The CD has an abnormally large booklet that's
hard to put back in the case without starting to damage it.<<

Newer versions have actually been printed on a lighter weight stock. So, it
is actually now possible to resleeve the booklet without screwing it up.

Chalk one up for the anal-retentives.

>>CAD X 703. The legendary deluxe limited edition. Comes with
all formats, even the video, in a wooden box. Only 100 were made. I
personally know where about 5 are.<<

Come on now, let's here it. And prices? I've heard some fetching around
$1000. Crazy.

It would be nice to simply see one of these things.

By the way, I actually have one and I'll start the bidding at $5000...

;o)

Bye,

Ry

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:18:45 -0400
From: Kelly Kristin Leigh (kkelly@UCET.UFL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive

              <199604301315.IAA01996@hal-pc.org>

>What!?  What are the extra tracks?

The bonus tracks on the domestic(U.S.A, as opposed to the import) Souvlaki
aren't all that impressive.  Or maybe I should say it's not very
"Slowdive-like"; it's a bit more on the ambient side, and in my opinion,
you're not missing out if you haven't heard them.


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:55:05 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: stereolab/sonic boom


yes, i did read your mail.  thanks for posting it.

what i was wondering was if i should hope for sonic to be with them when they hi
 chappel
hill, dc, and/or atlanta.  i didn't know if the show you saw was a one time or l
mited
thing.  anyone?

alan

> I don't know if you read my review of last night's show but yes Sonic Boom was
> there. He doesn't really do much but stand in a corner and play the noise
> sounds from a sampler. And also smoke a lot of cigarettes.
> but he is very cool...
>
> -Sonic Boy-
>
> >>>Someone wrote<<<<<
> >can anyone tell me if sonic boom is/has been playing for all the stereolab
> >dates.
> >god, i hope so.
>

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:41:35 GMT
From: "Booth, Giles" (Giles.Booth@BBC.CO.UK)
Subject: Frank Black - what's the deal?


Hi,



I'm new to the list, and I've only done a quick search on LOG9604 and
9509, and I can only find one reference to Frank Black (deluxx's 'Misery
loves (the record) company').



So what's the received wisdom about Frank on the list? Is he beyond the
pale? Am I going to be flamed for even mentioning him? I loved 'Frank
Black' and 'Teenager...' to bits, two horribly under-rated albums... I
can't make up my mind about 'The Cult of Ray' - the naff sleeve puts me
off too much, but I saw him at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London last
year, and he was truly wonderful. Esp. 'Do the Jaques Tati'...



So, views of Frank post-Pixies and post-4AD would be welcome (direct to
me if not the list)... apologies if this has been covered, but there is
so much you good people have written, I can't download it all!



Best Wishes,

--------------------------------------------------------------

-   Giles Booth,

-   Room 503CB, Bush House, Strand, London WC2 4PH

-   'you won't feel out of place'

--------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:39:30 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide/take drugs to


    Mesmerised and Beyond the Pale from EXPERIMENTAL AUDIO RESEARCH
    Do it and you'll be without body and mind, just your soul coming
home : cosmos.

    Or try anything, really anything from SPACEMEN 3 !!!

    Regards.

            Wilder.

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:07:54 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Slowdive EPs


>This is to all of you Slowdive fans out there who don't have the eps or _Blue
>Day_.  Fuck you.
>How goddam lazy were you that you couldn't buy the EP's when they were out?
>And then when they were (near-completely) compiled onto one CD, again, what was
>the problem?  Maybe if they had gotten more support a little sooner, they would
>have been more successful.  I only got to see them live once, when they opened
>for Ride.  I honostly don't think they ever came near the midwest USA after
>that.
>You want the EPs? Yeah I'll sell mine for a "reasonable price". How about
>US$100 each.  Didn't somebody recently post that at least one of them was still
>in print?  Lazy, lazy, lazy. Mail order is a wonderful institution.  It's one
>of the ways I manage to buy music that the shitty record stores around here
>(both chain and independent) don't carry.  I wish I could say I was sorry for
>sounding like such a cock, but I'm not.  Some of us bust our asses for the
>bands we like, only to watch them break up, and then people are saying "they
>were great.  They were the best. blah blah blah."  It's too late now.

>A guy with too much time on his hands,
>--Gary

You elitist bozo. Ever considered that some people may have only have recently
come across them? Or that there are people on this list who may have been 12
when the first ep was released? Or that they had no money then? What fucking
right have you to be so high and mighty, like you single-handedly supported them
for five years. You 'bust your asses' for them - wow must have been really
gruelling for you. Creeps like you make me sick - like you're so fucking special
because you buy a few records.

PS - I saw them four times - does this make me single-handedly responsible for
their career? I await my royalty cheque.

- Dez

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:48:05 -0700
From: Joel Krueger (jwkrueger@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high...


On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Jens Alfke wrote:

> True -- it probably varies by individual but in my case it made me able
> to take apart the mix into individual tracks, concentrating on particular
> sounds. For this reason any intricate music, whether intricate in
> production or in performance, becomes pretty amazing.

 quite true, which is why i've always found the cocteau's holv to be a
vital part of my "music-to-listen-to-while-high" catalog. each song is so
densley orchestrated and over-produced that, as jens said, you can actually
distinguish between the individual layers and otherwise nearly inaudible
nuances that become so prominent while high...they literally become almost
these visceral, tangible entities, flitting and darting madly
about throughout every corner of the room...each song is really a separate
trip in and of itself.  however, i've also found pot (at least in my own
experience) to be very limited in it's auditory effects -- shrooms, acid,
and even robitussin will more readily provide you with the enhanced audio
capabilities necessary to have a similar experience...


> one of the main benefits of any
> mind-altering substance is its ability to homogenize different people's
> mental states and bring them closer to the same state, and to remove
> excess social inhibitions. Without that you're just sliding deeper into
> yourself which is often a very negative direction to go in.

 i was going to launch into a lengthy rebuttal and brillaintly composed
exposition extolling the numerous virtues of non-social drug experiences,
but as this is not a drug list and i have a car crying out for a
wash, i'll make this brief...i do agree that rarely will one reach
any earth-shattering revelations or life-altering epiphanies whilst under
the influence, but i've engaged in some serious and exceedingly valuable
introspective soul-searching on several recent solo drug trips, and am
certainly able to glean a healthy portion of sef-knowledge and
heightened personal awareness that i could perhaps not have gained while
sober (yikes! i'm starting to sound like one of those new-age bull-s**t
artists i so despise...) granted, more times than not i've reached conclusions
and formulated theories that, when sober, appear exceedingly silly and are
ultimately quite uselss. if you use it for what it is, however, a
solitary drug trip can offer a new perspective -- nothing more. then
again, a brief glimpse into the inner gears of one's psyche can often be a
valuable and unforgettable thing...

joel


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:26:59 -0700
From: Joel Krueger (jwkrueger@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: scheer + air miami stuff


 came across some more scheer posters recently, as well as one air miami
"me me me". e-mail privately if interested in trade/purchase...thanks.

joel

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:19:36 -0500
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slowdive


>
> > When it comes to Slowdive I haven't heard any of the much talked about
> > EPs, I've got Just For A Day on tape as I'm unable to track it down on CD.
> > However I've got Souvlaki on CD (American version with 4 or 5 bonus tracks
> > on it) and Pygmalion..
>
> What!?  What are the extra tracks?
>
> moran@hal-pc.org
>

the bonus tracks are...

     "some velvet morning"
     "good day sunshine"
     "missing you"
     "country rain"

the last three songs also appear on the "5" ep.

jason

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:29:51 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to


>if this message is a joke than i don't find it funny in the least. suicide
>is not something to joke around with. i have had two great friends shoot
>themselves in the head. i was never laughing. in fact every time i laugh
>at anything these days i feel extremely guilty. suicide has left me
>wrecked. some days nothing helps. suicide is the full extenuation of the
>egocentric attitude. you feel you can't go on so you die. do you
>realize how many other people you will deeply hurt? i had to wash
>my friend's floor after he shot himself. there was so much blood. so much
>blood that it leaked throught the cracks of his wooden floor on the second
>floor that it made a puddle in the dining room. who are you gonna let see
>your dead blue flesh and cracked open head? do you think the scheer album
>is gross? i had to go through this twice.  obviously i don't know
>you, but if you're serious and follow through, i would feel very upset. i
>wish people could get through the pride and the depression to just ask
>someone to help. that is strength, to ask for help, to pull through
>together. the whole world isn't cruel. suicide makes things crueler. just
>ask someone who has gone through it.

"Suicide"
--MBV

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:05:03 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Can I?


>I wonder if any listies could help me. I want to commit suicide this weekend
>(well it beats taking drugs) and I was wondering what was good termination
>music. Of course I'll need it to be able to blend in to where I'm going
>afterwards,
>so careful thought is required. And oh yes, I'll be jumping off a tall
>building with a walkman,
>so short songs will be best.
>
>So far I've considered Tipp City because at least I'll have a taste of the
>hell to come.
>
>Farewell cruel world
>Chris

DEAR CHIRS
Before you kill yourself can I please have your 4AD books/poster or record
collection?
>From a 4AD fan who cannot afford to buy most of the stuff he really wants.

All the best man.

Arthur

later

Artc

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:31:50 -0700
From: Joel Krueger (jwkrueger@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: slowdive recommendation


 could anyone be so kind as to give me a brief
review/critique/description of slowdive's pygmalion? have to special
order it through a local store, and want to make sure it's worth it
before i plunk down 25 smackeroos...thanks ever so much.

joel
jwkrueger@ucdavis.edu

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 01:53:55 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: scheer + air miami stuff


Joel,


I'm interested in the Scheer poster(s)

I've got som Belly, Dead Can Dance or Throwing Muses posters to offer (A2)



Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, May 1, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl

Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 01:51:48 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: This Rimy River Ltd. (wow!)


Oh boy!

Today I recieved my copy of This Rimy River Ltd. version... (at last)

Not what I expected... they've printed all of those strange words on the
images - so you can't see them at all!! Now I have to buy all the records
itself to see what the sleeves look like. I hate it! But the two bonus
compilation CD's (TRR 1 CD and TRR 2 CD) are great! (a lot of unreleased
demo tracks from the v23 archieves, more details soon)

No, just kidding.

I've just heard - from someone who has spoken to 4AD london recently - that
this 'book' is not going to be released for another month. Maybe they ran
out of stamps...


Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, May 1, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 19:59:26 EDT
From: "Matthew A. Neimark" (mattn@MIT.EDU)
Subject: Lush in Boston


I just saw Lush in concert yesterday night.  The concert was incredible.
Miki is quite a performer and I think she has a nice disposition.

They played "Sweetness and Light" and said it would be their last
song.  Everybody in the audience sighed in disappointment.  Miki said
"Even we have to get drunk tonight."

For the encore (which inevitably came due to my loud screaming),
they played "Lady Killers" and "For Love" and some punk cover which
appears on one of the import singles.

I almost cried when Mojave 3 came out because I had so badly wanted
to see Slowdive in concert and never had the chance.  They ended
up playing what I felt was somewhat mediocre a set.

Scheer were good but I wish I knew their songs better.  My only experience
with them had been the "shaving the pavement" promo.

Summary of the evening:  Lush were great, Mojave 3 were ok.


-----------
Matt Neimark                      (617)225-7450
143 Albany St.
Cambridge, Ma 02139

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:22:52 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Films like Acid,bitter and sad.


    Hello.

    Would you mind recomending me films that produce sensations like
the acid,bitter and sad video from this mortal coil?
    I don t know so much about films but I want to experiment with
them.
    The film more near to that I ve seen is "Tan lejos Tan cerca"
from Win Wemders. The translation would be "So far away so near" or
something like that. Anyway i really enjoyed that film.

    But i d like films like acid,bit... so can you help me?
    Thanks.

            Wilder Spaceman.

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 19:35:59 -0500
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: slowdive recommendation


Joel Krueger wrote:
>  could anyone be so kind as to give me a brief
> review/critique/description of slowdive's pygmalion? have to special
> order it through a local store, and want to make sure it's worth it
> before i plunk down 25 smackeroos...thanks ever so much.

A friend of mine had this apropos, albeit reductvist capsule review of 'Pygmalio

Low covering Aphex Twin's second volume of 'Selected Ambient Works'.

Personally, I think it's well worth the $23 I'd paid for mine, although I have
friends whose tastes I do respect that won't give 'Pygmalion,' let alone Slowdiv
,
the proverbial time of day.

Cheers,


hk
--
hk@neosoft.com and farrago@delphi.com or http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
"oh, bother." - winnie the pooh, the original bear of very little brain

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:17:08 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to


>if this message is a joke than i don't find it funny in the least. suicide
>is not something to joke around with. i have had two great friends shoot
>themselves in the head. i was never laughing. in fact every time i laugh
>at anything these days i feel extremely guilty. suicide has left me
>wrecked. some days nothing helps. suicide is the full extenuation of the
>egocentric attitude. you feel you can't go on so you die. do you
>realize how many other people you will deeply hurt? i had to wash
>my friend's floor after he shot himself. there was so much blood. so much
>blood that it leaked throught the cracks of his wooden floor on the second
>floor that it made a puddle in the dining room. who are you gonna let see
>your dead blue flesh and cracked open head? do you think the scheer album
>is gross? i had to go through this twice.  obviously i don't know
>you, but if you're serious and follow through, i would feel very upset. i
>wish people could get through the pride and the depression to just ask
>someone to help. that is strength, to ask for help, to pull through
>together. the whole world isn't cruel. suicide makes things crueler. just
>ask someone who has gone through it.

>>"Suicide"
>>--MBV

    "Suicide"
    Spacemen 3

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:08:42 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: If you wanna get high...


    These are my recomendations :

    . SPACEMEN 3 : Playing with Fire or Perfect Prescription or ...
        well or really anything by this great band.
    . E.A.R.: Beyond the Pale.
    . SPECTRUM : High, Lows and Heavenly Blows.
    . HIS NAME IS ALIVE : Home is in your head.
    . SPACETIME CONTINUUM : Sea Biscuit
    . LOVESLIESCRUSHING : bloweyelashwish
    . SILVANIA : En Cielo de Oceano
    . APHEX TWIN : Selected Ambient Works II
    . SLOWDIVE : Blue Day
    . BRIAN ENO : Music for Airports.

    Have a fine trip.

            Wilder Spaceman.


              "Good dope,
              good fun"
                    Spiritualized
                "Lay back in the sun"


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:58:30 -0700
From: aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to


You wrote:
>
>I wonder if any listies could help me. I want to commit suicide this
weekend
>(well it beats taking drugs) and I was wondering what was good
termination
>music. Of course I'll need it to be able to blend in to where I'm
going afterwards,
>so careful thought is required. And oh yes, I'll be jumping off a tall
building with a walkman,
>so short songs will be best.
>
>So far I've considered Tipp City because at least I'll have a taste of
the hell to come.
>
>Farewell cruel world
>Chris
>
>I just bought Zoon (against better judgement, but it was ltd), if I
like it I may reconsider.
>If not, I'll go out to Carl
>
having known two people who have killed themselves, i don't really find
this funny...i'm sure you didn't mean it literally.  anyone who says
things like i'm gonna kill myself, those around them should listen.  so
the next time you want depressing music to listen to just say that.
too many kids say they want to kill themselves and people just ignore
it or say its part of being a teenager.  i've seen the results, its
serious business.  euthelene

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:22:49 +0000
From: Sunday Records (sunday@PYROTECHNICS.COM)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to


The Telescopes - Suicide


>
> >>"Suicide"
> >>--MBV
>
>     "Suicide"
>     Spacemen 3
>
>

************************************************
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{ http://www.pyrotechnics.com/~sunday/sun }
Sunny Sunday Smile (Sunday's Fun Page)
{ http://www.pyrotechnics.com/~sunday }

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:50:08 -0400
From: Lorraine Lelis (lfl3858@IS4.NYU.EDU)
Subject: lush in boston...


ahhhh

it was a beautiful show!  so lovely... and it was phil's birthday, so
they brought out a cake and sang happy birthday to him, and he really
didn't want them to.  and his amp was all decorated with balloons...

i was disappointed that there wasn't as much Gala stuff as there was
during their promo tour... so the oldies were "de-luxe" and "sweetness
and light," both which were AMAZING.

they did undertow, which was really really good...light from a dead star,
for love, hypocrite, kiss chase... ahh it was so lovely

make sure you go see them

and mojave3, they were good too.  although their keyboardist seemed a bit
odd.  scheer were alright, better live than on recording i think.


satisfied,

lorelei tremolor

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:55:39 -0400
From: photon boy (jbriante@UOGUELPH.CA)
Subject: Re: Slowdive


I'll have to disagree on this, that they weren't all too impressive.
"country rain" is one of my favorite slowdive songs, and the others are
pretty damn good too. Its quite impressive to be able to switch gears and
release such a diverse body of material.

joey

On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Kelly Kristin Leigh wrote:

> >What!?  What are the extra tracks?
>
> The bonus tracks on the domestic(U.S.A, as opposed to the import) Souvlaki
> aren't all that impressive.  Or maybe I should say it's not very
> "Slowdive-like"; it's a bit more on the ambient side, and in my opinion,
> you're not missing out if you haven't heard them.
>

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:29:07 -0700
From: Chris Mayes (mm211595@OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to


WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA wrote:

> >>"Suicide"
> >>--MBV

Isn't it "Sueisfine," or am I thinking of another song?  Juss
wondering...

                                        Chris M.


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:18:57 -700
From: sapna patel (spatel1@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: HNIA Chicago show doubtful


Maybe it's just me, but I have a strange feeling that all those rumors about HNI
 playing the Chicago StP show are false.  While on one hand it makes me sad, bec
use I have YET to see them live, but I guess getting a nice free tape and seeing
3 cool bands will make up for it.

Matt
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:16:01 -700
From: sapna patel (spatel1@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: 4AD - The Label for All Moods...


Well, speaking of suicide, and sepression, I find that almost all of the release
 on 4AD are good for a certain type of mood.
Here's some moods and their respected soundtracks:
ia)
Happy, Giddy - Air Miami, Amps, Unrest
Wild and Crazy! - Pixies, Throwing Muses
Tired - Mojave 3

see?  And there are lots more I left out. (and you thought it was just music!)

Matt

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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:40:08 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to


> >>"Suicide"
> >>--MBV

Isn't it "Sueisfine," or am I thinking of another song?  Juss
wondering...


Yes, the song is called Sueisfine, but I was quoting from it.                   
                    Chris M.

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:59:44 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: This Rimy River Ltd. (wow!)


In a message dated 96-04-30 20:44:52 EDT, Emiel writes:

>I've just heard - from someone who has spoken to 4AD london recently - that
>this 'book' is not going to be released for another month. Maybe they ran
>out of stamps...
>
>
>Emiel Efdee
>...
>the Netherlands, May 1, 1996
>... efdee@luna.nl
>
>

well...not entirely.  they've run into a problem with the book binders.  it
seems that the first (or was it the last?) 1/3 of the books pages were
cropped about 3/4 of an inch tho short...making it look really odd.  anyway,
yes it seems as if there is going to be a delay, with the first books
expecting to be mailed out within 2-3 weeks  (i know we've heard this one
before).

as a sort of apology for the LONG delay, those at v23 are trying to work out
something to send in addition with the book as a freebie to those who already
have one on order.  they don't have anything in mind exactly...  they want to
try and package it in with the Rimy book to keep shipping costs at a minimum.
 i had suggested the "is minty a man?" poster, but that would require a
poster tube etc....  we'll see.  like my source said, "no promises"  but
they're trying.

~~blubelknol@aol.com  (waiting patiently for his)

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:16:21 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to


Try Nine Inch Nails=B4 'Terrible Lie'. It can really sink you into bye bye=
 land...

Pepe (Who=B4s now listening to a nursery rhyme...)

*************************************************
'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
                               The Sundays
*************************************************

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:01:12 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Stereolab at the troub


I was at this show as well, so in regard to Nadim's comments:

Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM) wrote:

>The opening act was TrackStar. I thought they were not very interesting.

Agreed.  Totally derivative of the Pavementesque college-rock scene. Yawn.

>Second up were Prolapse. Very interesting I thought.
>The music was ok.

Again agreed.  Their main musical influence seems to be Bauhaus' cover of
Eno's "Third Uncle".  Just a machine gun of guitar chords and words coming at
you.  An order of magnitude better than Trackstar in both music and stage
presence, but if I had any of their stuff on record, I'd probably get bored
with it after a few listens.

Regarding Stereolab:
>They had a bunch of problems with their equipment for the first
>3-4 songs, but it still sounded good.

I thought that they added too much bass towards the end of the set, I
couldn't make out hardly anything Laetitia and Mary said between songs.

>I am not gonna go through the set list because I cannot remember it
>all and am not too familiar with the names of the new songs.

Mostly ETK stuff.  Nothing from TRNBWA.  They also played Ping Pong, Lo Boob
Oscilator, Mountain, and French Disco.  They also played 2 new (?) songs.
One had a title that had something to do with Van Halen?  The other was
fairly mellow.

>They also had a "special guest star" as Laetitia introduced him who was none
>other than the king of cool Sonic Boom.

Is THAT who that was?!  Like I said, I couldn't hear anything. :)

>But most impressive was their closing song/music or whatever that was. After
>they came back for the encore, they ended with this song that (title anyone?)
>went through the normal phase first (vocals-melody-etc.) after which It got
>into the "jamming phase" as i call it,

It was Anamorphose from MAQ.  One of my faves from MAQ (I like the drone), so
I was glad to hear it.  It was quite a good way to end the show.

Too bad I didn't get a chance to read my mail this weekend, I would have
liked to meet fellow listies at the show.  I think "...calico extract" was
there also.  Ah well maybe next time.

Martin
mahoyt@uci.edu

Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:45:47 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Songs to commit suicide to


On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA wrote:

> >if this message is a joke than i don't find it funny in the least. suicide
> >is not something to joke around with. i have had two great friends shoot
> >themselves in the head. i was never laughing. in fact every time i laugh
> >at anything these days i feel extremely guilty. suicide has left me
> >wrecked. some days nothing helps. suicide is the full extenuation of the
> >egocentric attitude. you feel you can't go on so you die. do you
> >realize how many other people you will deeply hurt? i had to wash
> >my friend's floor after he shot himself. there was so much blood. so much
> >blood that it leaked throught the cracks of his wooden floor on the second
> >floor that it made a puddle in the dining room. who are you gonna let see
> >your dead blue flesh and cracked open head? do you think the scheer album
> >is gross? i had to go through this twice.  obviously i don't know
> >you, but if you're serious and follow through, i would feel very upset. i
> >wish people could get through the pride and the depression to just ask
> >someone to help. that is strength, to ask for help, to pull through
> >together. the whole world isn't cruel. suicide makes things crueler. just
> >ask someone who has gone through it.
>
> >>"Suicide"
> >>--MBV
>
>     "Suicide"
>     Spacemen 3
>

        "Teenage Suicide - Don't Do It"
        Unrest

        _Bri