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Subject: Re: you care because i do /scheer
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:33:37 -0500
From: Katherine Searcy (K0S0113@ACS.TAMU.EDU)
Subject: Tammy in LA
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:22:40 +0000
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: welome me - I'm new!
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:22:20 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Re: ...you care because I do
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:59:22 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Miki's new boyfriend (Lush)/Scheer
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:42:25 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Orbital etc.
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:29:23 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: David Mccallum cares because I say so.
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 02:46:29 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: The oppression continues...
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 04:20:26 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Miki's new boyfriend (Lush)/Scheer
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:58:25 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: The oppression continues...
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:15:49 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: e's are good
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:32:34 +0100
From: mbdtssv (mbdtssv@AFS.MCC.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: The oppression continues...
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:01:49 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Delicious Monster
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:39:17 -0400
From: Tom Poston (tposton@VNET.NET)
Subject: LOW (as in I'm feeling...)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:36:06 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: STP t-shirt costs and types
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:02:37 EDT
From: CYKIM@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Subject: Re: David Mccallum cares because I say so.
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:25:07 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Lush Japan Ed.
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:36:41 -0400
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: David Mccallum cares because I say so.
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:12:54 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: His Name Is Alive
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:13:11 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: ...you care because I do
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:25:07 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: ...you care because I do
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:31:48 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Shallow!!!!!!
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:56:55 -0800
From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: pomo
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:42:25 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: new stuff
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:17:59 -0500
From: the silky smooth sounds of heath byers (wbyers@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Tortoise show/Elysian Field
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:48:56 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: The oppression continues...
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:39:22 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: einexile the meek - Mr. Reviewer
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:03:40 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:13:11 -0400
From: Lush Muse (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: welome me - I'm new!
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 18:01:30 -0700
From: aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Dr. Who and Drowning Craze?
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 21:40:15 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: sweet f.a.?
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:26:05 -0700
From: Selwyn Oh (selwyn@CSUA.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:12:20 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Third Mind (was Re: einexile the meek - Mr. Reviewer)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 18:58:03 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Stereolab @ WWU / HNiA
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:00:54 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:33:37 -0500
From: Katherine Searcy (K0S0113@ACS.TAMU.EDU)
Subject: Re: you care because i do /scheer


the comparison of scheer to belly and the muses is actually kinda valid. i
talked to audrey of scheer (who is totally dynamic) before the austin show
and she said some of the 4ad bands she liked included the muses(kristin), belly
 and  liz frazier.  regardless of style preference, i don't think anyone can
deny that scheer is a Solid band. they're really in tune with each other up on
stage (even when the lead guitarist's amp goes out for half a song.:)  )
although pushing my limit for hard edge influence the melodies still stick in
my head, and don't drive my mad. :)
as a side note, i haven't had any problems when talking to the people at 4ad
LA, although i'm sure with the recent personnel changes it's been kinda hectic.
4cents...
-=thrine=-


Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:22:40 +0000
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Tammy in LA


The Amps in LA were great, despite a bad sound system and featured guests
from a couple of bands you might have heard of: That Dog and The Breeders...

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:22:20 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: welome me - I'm new!


Hello, listies. Just subscribed to the list, so be nice to me.
Uh, I saw STP in Portland a couple weeks ago, and it was interesting for me,
to say the least. Here's a quick and harmless anecdote to brighten your
day (or night)...

To preface, you should know that I listen to quite a
bit of music, but lush come in number one. It's difficult to explain
how their early stuff has affected me... Split is alright, and ofcourse I
think Lovelife isn't out of this world, but whateryagonnado? They're lush!

Anyway, the day of their concert I heard from a friend at the last minute
that all the bands (lush, most importantly) were to appear at a downtown
record store to sign
stuff. I was 2 1/2 hours away, but I rushed up and got there in time. I
even had some time to pick up two boquets of roses (one yellow for Emma,
and one, what else, red for Miki). So I chatted with them briefly, had
them sign a bunch of CD covers (they drew faces on my lemons!), presented
the flowers, got a snapshot of me and the band.... looking back it's a
blur ofcourse. Afterwards, I realized that in my mad frenzy to get there, I
had left 3 tickets (for me and two friends) at home!! One friend told me
I should ask Miki if she could get us on the guest list because she was
browsing the store. But I simply didn't have the balls. I was ready to
drive all the way home and back (hey - I was desperate), but outside I
saw Chris (the drummer) and said what the hell. So I asked him and he was
nice about it, gave him our names and that was that. That night we all
got into the show with no problem. So, for me atleast, it was quite
thrilling to be on the guest list of my favorite band.

As far as the show is concerned, I think Scheer are nice in some ways,
but they just throw in too many butt-rock riffs. Get rid of the drummer!

Mojave 3 were great, I think. It would be nice to see them in a sit down
venue, where you could sip a drink... (Needless to  say, I adore Slowdive
a helluva lot more, but that's a different story). People keep saying how
they would fall asleep to them, but I think that's a totally good thing.
I've already drifted into la la land on a couple lazy afternoons, and
 it's a great feeling.

For lush, I was way in the very front. For the first three songs, the
crowd was relatively calm, which I thought was great. But out of nowhere
the crowd surfers and slam dancers (or whatever they are) started
their thing, and from then on people were absolutely crushed. I've
never been so physically assaulted like that before ('course, I try to
stay away from "pits"). So I spent most of my time dodging people above
and not being able to listen to the music. But maybe it was worth it - to
be that close...

Hope you didn't "fall asleep"

Ciao............(man that song sucks)
_B


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:59:22 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: ...you care because I do

               of Wed,
              24 Apr 1996 21:08:37 -0700

>   >   ....Snivilisation was, sure,
>   > as I said before, a failed but noble experiment, or
>   something, but you
>   > couldn't really listen to the last half of it.
>
>           Yes I could.  Why are you talking about my taste
>   in music?
>
>           I think your reviews would be more effective and
>   piss off fewer list members if you used more "I think"
>   and "I feel"s instead of stating your opinions as the
>   absolute truth that you are handing on to us.

All reviews are drenched in a huge all-encompasing IMHO, whether the reviewer
spells it out, abbreviates it, or even if it is explicitly denied.  (einexile
defended by the very 'relativistic hippy quagmire' he despises)  Yeah, sometimes
it's grating to read something stated as absolute truth but if you take issue
with what is said why not argue with the statement?  (do you think the last half
of "Snivilization" is good?  Why?)  I'd prefer to see a lot more "rebuttals"
than personal vendeta "head-butting" and deconstruction of writing style.  I
like reading reviews.  :)  These are just my personal thoughts on the issues at
hand, they're not directed at anyone or intended as flameful.

-cz




Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:42:25 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Miki's new boyfriend (Lush)/Scheer


    I read a post a few days ago on the list that someone saw Miki with
a boyfriend. That someone was a female and asked Miki for her
autograph. Anyway what did the guy look like?


White/Black/whatever
Hair color
was he "buff" (muscles)
glasses/Eyecolor
ugly/good looking

Paint me a picture!



I saw the scheer video for "I wish you were dead" on 120 minutes and
have to say it's not as bad everone makes them out to be. Free your
minds people, metal can be good if not done by some long haired racist
or homophobe i.e. Axel Rose, S. Bach or whoever else. I like the
singers hair:) and what's so bad about the drummer? I say get rid of
that fat bald bass player (the way he jumps around he could kill
someone!). Replace him with a nerdy redhead from So. Cal (like me)
While you're at it, get some dancing lessons from Emma Anderson from
Lush (she doesn't move, get it?). Let's face it, Irish people can't


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:29:23 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Orbital etc.


 einexile the meek  wrote on Wed, 24 Apr 1996
 (Subject: ...you care because I do)
 [Scheer]
 > Of course, none of what I've said here should not be taken to mean
 > that I will ever listen to this album again.

I think I know what that sentence means, but I'm not sure.

 > Orbital - The Box
 > Snivilisation was, sure, as I said before, a failed but noble
 > experiment, or something, but you couldn't really listen to the
 > last half of it.

I'm on something of an Orbital kick at the moment, and I made a tape of
"Snivilisation" which I listened to a lot last weekend while walking to
the supermarket and picking rhubarb in the garden.  I'd say that the
last half is the best bit of the album - the extra-long "Are We Here?",
that *superb* high-speed punk/techno track (I really wish it was longer
than two minutes), and "Attached", which is possibly their finest
tune.  The first half of the album is a bit mixed - I think "Science
Friction" and "Crash and Carry" are weak, but there are some great
moments there too - "Kein Trink Wasser" could be Philip Glass until the
technoey bits start to intrude on the piano.

 > Last Summer's "Times Fly" single was perhaps worse; I hated it
 > enough that I didn't bother to figure that out.

Try again!  The remix of "Sad but True" is disposable, but the other
tracks are fine, especially "The Tranquiliser".  I agree entirely with
e's assessment of "The Box", it's one of the best things I have heard so
far this year.  The creepy creaking, by the way, is a sample of the
chair in their studio.  The album (6 tracks, 70+ minutes) got a rave
review in yesterday's NME.  But they didn't sprinkle the review with
IMHOs, so you can all write to the rag to complain.

 Roy Burns  wrote on Wed, 24 Apr 1996
 (Subject: Filming the Pavement/Nico and Vaughan)
 > So is Nirvana heavy-metal wanking? Ponder, ponder.

I never really saw Nirvana as owing much to heavy metal (in the modern
sense that Scheer borrow from) - they were pretty much a Husker Du-style
hardcore US punk band.  That style did borrow from early seventies
metal, but not the excruciating pompous stuff that metal has turned
into.  My complaint about Scheer isn't that "Wish You Were Dead" is a
bit heavy metal, it is that it's *exactly* heavy metal, apart from the
vocals.  According to the interview in Volume it was their first
single, presumably this is a re-recording.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 25/04/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Radio 4


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 02:46:29 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: David Mccallum cares because I say so.


On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, David Mccallum wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, einexile the meek wrote:
>
> > Orbital - The Box
> > -----------------
> >   ....Snivilisation was, sure,
> > as I said before, a failed but noble experiment, or something, but you
> > couldn't really listen to the last half of it.
>
>         Yes I could.  Why are you talking about my taste in music?

Haven't you heard? Through the modern miracle of online communications,
it is possible for me to distribute my decrees over phone lines rather
than by way of the postal service. Some on this list have been foolish
enough to mistake this for a common twentieth century "punk" writing
style. Glad to see you saw through it! In fact I am very proud of you.

>         I think your reviews would be more effective and piss off fewer
> list members if you used more "I think" and "I feel"s instead of stating
> your opinions as the absolute truth that you are handing on to us.

Are you claiming that it is an absolute truth I piss off other
listmembers, or is that just your opinion? I feel you are objectively
wrong.

> > Strip away my diplomatic words and it was borderline awful.
>
>         I don't think it _is_ at all.

Oh no, it's quite wonderful now that we've all taken a vote and decided
how to feel about.

>         In the past, I've been pretty indifferent to your reviews - you haven'

> really written about anything I've been too interested in - but I can
> now see why your "style" would grate on some.

Jens, is it possible, in your humble opinion, that we might put this
message into the FAQ as a kind of generic form letter? It would save much
time for the subscribers here who have "control issues". Perhaps a copy
could be mailed out automatically by the list software every time I post
a review. I know others here must feel the same way as David but lack the
moral courage to speak.

>         David, who can't recommend enough the new James Brown compilation
>                         "Foundations of Funk: A Brand New Bag 1964-1969"

How dare you! I feel so violated.


   einexile


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 04:20:26 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: The oppression continues...


Nefilim - Zoon
--------------
What can I say? Carl McCoy is an artist. He needs time. He has to simmer
in his juices for a while, decompose some, and learn to enjoy the smell.
And to think I figured all that out just from the artwork! I won't rag on
it too hard because it's clear a lot of work was put in, but it's bad.
it's amateurish and unoriginal, there's one of those red Star Wars guys
on the cover saying "shhh", there are some pictures that look like they
belong in Heavy Metal, the kind of airbrushing specialized in by folks
who work at comics shops and don't intend to ever quit.
  That sort of thing, basically. If you're wondering why in the hell am I
reading about The Nefilim on the 4AD list, there used to be quite a few
fans of Fields of the Nephilim here. I think most have either left the
internet entirely or else joined The Sisters of Mercy, but I have to tell
*someone* about this, and the people on the Neffs list are crazy.
  Fields of the Nephilim, for those who never heard them, were goff, but
they were classy. They showed restraint at the right times but didn't lack
balls. They were one of the few bands in the genre that didn't sound
exactly like someone else, and you--yes YOU david!--could depend on them
to treat what they were doing with respect for the material. They worked
hard, they didn't fuck around, I personally don't think they were stupid.
A lot of people did, but those people were wrong.
  They aren't anymore. Zoon is an awful speed metal album that lacks any
of the subtlety or passion that made Fields of the Nephilim what they
were. I rather dislike Rubicon (the other band resulting from the split)
but I can hardly accuse them of this. With the exception of a short and
inept noise piece that closes this album, every single song here is full
of the traditional thrash guitar and thumping bass drum. It's not so much
that the record is full of conventions or even that they are conventions
I hate, but it's not even done right. When the track Chaocracy appeared
on a Beggars sampler a few years back, it was speed metal but it had some
design to it, it had direction, it kind of rocked, it was kind of sexy.
If Chaocracy was sexy, then Zoon is a mutilated cow's stomach. The single
saving grace of this album is the single Penetration, which is like all
the others and which has plenty of flaws, but which works. It is good
sped metal.
  So for any who might have entertained thoughts of buying this record
blind out of loyalty or whatever, give it a serious listen first. it
really eats it. And as for the notion that it is Carl's Baby, it is not.
He shares writing credit on almost all of the album, so that's about as
believable as Beggars' pronouncement that the album "is not speed metal".
  Enough of this. You knew it was coming.


The Cure - The 13th
-------------------
You are getting sleepy. You love Pepsi. Tomorrow you will go down the the
office of elections and register as a Republican. Oh yes, and hating The
Cure has lost its zing. Effective immediately you are to adore them
again.
  I don't know if everyone's heard the title track already or what. It's
been at radio stations for at least two weeks but no one bothers to play
it ever. Be aware when I say I love it that you are dealing with someone
who placed Wish at or near the top of his best-of-92 list. This is not a
sad or tormented Cure song; it might have appeared in some or other form
on The Head on the Door or The Top or Three Imaginary Boys. While I am
most fond of what has come to be accepted as the Cure Style, I am
probably most impressed by the originality of the above mentioned albums,
and that's the value I see in The 13th. It doesn't sound like much of
anything else, but it's not too quirky. At the same time it is very odd,
full of kooky rhythms and brass. This might easily have been irritating,
but is not here because of the song's intoxicated mood and because all
style aside it is a gorgeous song, sporting Robert Smith's best vocal
melody since Fascination Street and Prayers for Rain, some very cool
mellow guitar shit, nice percussion and piano decorations. It might have
been offensive but it is treated very carefully and cooly and I dig it.
  Adonais is probably the least impressive of the four songs on the US
releases of these singles. (I don't know how many show up on the British
ones.) It's a classic "Cure B-Side" in that it isn't a terribly well
written song, it sounds a little typical, it's a little stilted in terms
of the strings and the guitar riffs. It doesn't blow me away but it beats
the hell out of Dredd Song. I had expected to hear so much of Dredd Song
here that Adonais was a great relief and still is. But there is nothing
that shitty on these singles.
  Ocean sounds quite a bit like the sadder songs off of Wish. Trust or To
Wish Impossible Things. The chorus here is a bit odd for them and it's a
little mushy, but as with most of Wish, if you don't have a peeve for
mushy Cure they often manage to connect where others would not. Overall
it's a good song, there is some nice music going on here, the guitar's
not real exciting but the vocal harmonies are super.
  And now we are to It Used to Be Me, which is the shit. The guitar and
electronics on here are fucking incredible. They create an intense
atmosphere with consistency between highs and lows, a whole lot is poured
into the tune and it is full of rhapsodic and melancholy moments. We make
it to what we're used to hearing at the end of a Cure song, and the track
goes into a reflective mode, the atmospheres reach another plateau,
tension is built...and they continue the quiet mood, then sneaking in the
intensity again. The song is a certifiable Cure Masterpiece, and,
forgiving the standardness of Adonais and Ocean, if you consider this
track and The 13th the band is doing its most daring and interesting work
since The Top. I am very, very excited.


Coil or something - Black Light District
----------------------------------------
I was going to review this but I can't really find anything to review.
Even if Love's Secret Domain was not a meaningless, pointless hash of
noise, this is. I can't even find anything to comment on. There are some
pretty bits, and there are gobs and gobs of junk splashing and clattering
around. Some people find this type of stuff disturbing in a fun sort of
way. To me it looks pretty pathetic up against the likes of Horse
Rotorvator and Stolen & Contaminated Songs, but I will reserve final
judgement until such time as I can make myself listen to the entire thing
without scanning through any of it. Until then, you have my permission to
like or dislike it as you may see fit.


Nearly God
----------
Great stuff. Considerably more trippy and less hoppy than Maxinquaye, but
that is not to say it doesn't groove some. I am still absorbing this one,
but I will say that I dislike none of it, most of it is beautiful or
cool, and it is one long unbroken sinister trip, probably the darkest
thing I've come across since the last Locust album. I'm not sure I love
it and I'm not sure it's brilliant...but I'm pretty sure.


Hope I didn't hurt anyone this time,

  e


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:58:25 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Miki's new boyfriend (Lush)/Scheer


yOn Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Scott, Mari & Brian wrote:

>  Free your minds people, metal can be good if not done by some long
   haired racist or homophobe

(snip)

> I say get rid of that fat bald bass player (the way he jumps around he could k
ll
> someone!).

(snip)

> Let's face it, Irish people can't dance


 *okay, here goes: free your mind? seems you have a problem with
  -long hair
  -people who are overweight
  -people who jump around while being overweight
  -and last but certainly not least, the irish

  _now_, free YOUR mind.


  sheesh,
  dan k.

Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:15:49 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: The oppression continues...


Hey regarding the nephilim stuff...

I have a friend who told me that they actually cover (or have covered in the
past) alot of Ennio Moriconne's work.  Is this true?  Which songs?  Are they
cool?  Does anyone want to send them to me?  I know about this " " much about
the nephilim.

oh well, sorry to interrupt the flames of e's reviews with a dumb question but
there you have it

marvyn

Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:32:34 +0100
From: mbdtssv (mbdtssv@AFS.MCC.AC.UK)
Subject: e's are good


Just writing in defence of einexile (as if he needs it)

Keep up the good work, you're reviews are cool and the more people you
piss off with them the better. These people who get so agitated over
someone else's views are fucking sad, the kind of people who write into
the music press whining, "How dare you slag off my favourite band, they're
brilliant, all my friends think so as well etc. etc."
If you can't cope with reading other people's opinions on music, what are
you doing on this list in the first place?

In short-I find einexile's stuff entertaining. Anyone who doesn't, don't
read it OK? How hard is it to hit the delete button for God's sake.

Sorry but I had to get that off my chest.

Simon


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:01:49 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: The oppression continues...

              meek" at Apr 25, 96 04:20:26 am

 einexile the meek  wrote on Thu, 25 Apr 1996
 (Subject: The oppression continues...)
 > The Cure - The 13th
 > Adonais is probably the least impressive of the four songs on the
 > US releases of these singles.  (I don't know how many show up on
 > the British ones.)

It's one of those double CD things - two mixes of the A-side plus "It
Used to be Me" on one, and yet another A-side mix plus the other two
songs on the other, so Americans are just missing two mixes of "The
13th".  I love the a-side and IUTBM, I'm not so keen on the others
(agreeing with e again - well, someone has to!).  I like the Cure best
when they are being quirky, and this is quirky Cure par excellence -
not sure whether it's good or bad, so it must be great.  I got out the
box set of "Wish" plus singles the other day and played some of the
tracks - there's some good stuff on there, but a lot of Cure-by-numbers
too, it will be interesting to hear if the new album is more inventive.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 25/04/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Radio 4


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:39:17 -0400
From: Tom Poston (tposton@VNET.NET)
Subject: Delicious Monster


Hi all...

This is only partially this-listy, but I am curious if anyone has any
information on what has become of Delicious Monster. They put out a
string of good CD singles culminating in their 1993 album Joie de Vivre,
on Flute Records, but since then I haven't seen or heard a word about
them.

Any info would be appreciated!

Thanks!

Tom

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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:36:06 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: LOW (as in I'm feeling...)


How come nobody mentioned that Low were playing at the Urban Art Bar last
Friday night???  Its the duty of this list to keep me informed of timely and
important shows in Houston! ;)

Moran?  joanna?  Lisa?  I feel so....hurt.

I picked up a Public News last night while I was out shooting pool and what do
I see but a review of the great show Low put on the previous Friday night at
the UAB.  I'm just sick.  Here I've been waiting for a good show to come to
town and after last year when the Cranes cancelled b/c Alison Shaw caught
laryngetis, I thought things wouldn't get any worse.

Mad because he didn't do shit Friday night,  :( :( :( :( :(

marvyn

Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:02:37 EDT
From: CYKIM@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Subject: STP t-shirt costs and types


Hello.  I was wondering what types of t-shirts are being sold at the STP tour.
Also how much do each shirt cost.  Also are there any other items being sold.
Thanks.  Please e-mail to Charles_Y_Kim@brown.edu

Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:25:07 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: David Mccallum cares because I say so.


reactionary ?

I guess somepeople never learn.

It has nothing to do at all with control, it has everything to do with
a little diplomacy.


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:36:41 -0400
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Lush Japan Ed.


I was ardently working to get a copy of the Japanese edition of Lovelive,
and was talking to my friends in Japan about trading, etc.

HOWEVER, it turns out that the six tracks on the 3" cd are the extra
tracks on the single girl singles.

Anyway, I'm thumbs up on the new album.  Yes, it's a bit of pop, if Lush
can provide for the new mainstream a quality sound, good for the world.
I can't wait to see if this tour is a good as the Split tour (I was so
good I saw it 2x).

Anyone else going to be at irving plaza may 2?

Alex

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:12:54 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: David Mccallum cares because I say so.


I am sparing the list my reply - it doesn't have anything to do with
the music: reviewing the reviewer.  Anyone can e-mail me if they would like
a copy of what I sent to "e."

        Respectfully,
        David.

--
David McCallum                                                mccallum@efn.org
                  http://www.efn.org/~mccallum/arkane.html
                 a shrimpy shrine to the music of a.r. kane

einexile the meek wrote:
>
> On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, David Mccallum wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, einexile the meek wrote:
> >
> > > Orbital - The Box
> > > -----------------
> > >   ....Snivilisation was, sure,
> > > as I said before, a failed but noble experiment, or something, but you
> > > couldn't really listen to the last half of it.
> >
> >         Yes I could.  Why are you talking about my taste in music?
>
> Haven't you heard? Through the modern miracle of online communications,
> it is possible for me to distribute my decrees over phone lines rather
> than by way of the postal service. Some on this list have been foolish
> enough to mistake this for a common twentieth century "punk" writing
> style. Glad to see you saw through it! In fact I am very proud of you.
>
> >         I think your reviews would be more effective and piss off fewer
> > list members if you used more "I think" and "I feel"s instead of stating
> > your opinions as the absolute truth that you are handing on to us.
>
> Are you claiming that it is an absolute truth I piss off other
> listmembers, or is that just your opinion? I feel you are objectively
> wrong.
>
> > > Strip away my diplomatic words and it was borderline awful.
> >
> >         I don't think it _is_ at all.
>
> Oh no, it's quite wonderful now that we've all taken a vote and decided
> how to feel about.
>
> >         In the past, I've been pretty indifferent to your reviews - you have
't
> > really written about anything I've been too interested in - but I can
> > now see why your "style" would grate on some.
>
> Jens, is it possible, in your humble opinion, that we might put this
> message into the FAQ as a kind of generic form letter? It would save much
> time for the subscribers here who have "control issues". Perhaps a copy
> could be mailed out automatically by the list software every time I post
> a review. I know others here must feel the same way as David but lack the
> moral courage to speak.
>
> >         David, who can't recommend enough the new James Brown compilation
> >                         "Foundations of Funk: A Brand New Bag 1964-1969"
>
> How dare you! I feel so violated.
>
>    einexile

Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:13:11 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: His Name Is Alive


His Name Is Alive "Stars On E.S.P."

1 Dub Love Letter
2 This World is not My Home
3 Bad Luck Girl
4 What are you wearing tomorrow
5 The Bees
6 What else is new list
7 Wall of Speed
8 Universal Frequencies
9 The Sand that holds the lakes in place
10 I can't live in this world anymore
11 answer to rainbow  at midnight
12 famous goodbye king
13 Across The street
14 Movie
15 Last Song

Recorded on Time STEREO 1992-1995. Produced by Warren Defever. Written by His
Name Is ALive, Matthew Smith, Erika Hoffman, Mark Kozelek, Ian Masters,
Denise James, and The ESP-Beetles except "Last One"

Recorded at Warren's House.


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:25:07 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: ...you care because I do


David McCallum opines:
>        I think your reviews would be more effective and piss off fewer
>list members if you used more "I think" and "I feel"s instead of stating
>your opinions as the absolute truth that you are handing on to us.

This is bullshit. Uh, in my opinion, that is. Can we repeat this one more
time for those who missed out before? Can we count it off one more time
from the top? A one two three four:

ALL REVIEWS ARE SOMEONE'S OPINION.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH WHEN REVIEWING ART.
THEREFORE IT IS REDUNDANT AND UNNECESSARY TO PREFIX EACH STATEMENT WITH
"IN MY OPINION".
FLAMING SOMEONE'S REVIEW BECAUSE THEIR OPINION DIFFERS FROM YOURS IS
STUPID AND FUTILE.
IF YOU REALLY THINK THEY WERE WRONG, POST YOUR OWN REVIEW STATING YOUR
OPINION.
OR POINT OUT HOW YOU DREW DIFFERENT IMPRESSIONS FROM THE SAME SOURCE
MATERIAL.

Now I have to dig up that old bag of sticky Menth-o-Lyptus lozenges to
soothe my throat.

Take in contrast Andrew Norman's as-always erudite and interesting
response to e's review. He came to different conclusions about the music,
and even pointed out that e might listen to Orbital's previous EP again
and might come to different conclusions, but all in a perfectly polite
and productive way. Rock on, Andrew!

I still don't understand why it's e's reviews that always stir up this
kind of misplaced anger in people. Maybe it's because he actually
describes how the music makes him feel, whether it's postitive or
negative, and he shows that he really cares about the music to the extent
of feeling angry and cheated if he feels it's let him down. In my book
these are good things, much better than the "I dunno, I thought it was
good, you might not like it tho" that too many online reviews turn into.
I have to confess that I write most of mine too quickly and don't invest
the same kind of passion in them that e does.

Let's please stop with idiocy like:
>        I don't think it _is_ at all.

Is not! Is too! Is not! Is too! Is not! Is too! Is not! Is too! Is not!

Sigh.

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                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

to wound the autumnal city. So howled out to the world to give him a name.
                                            _____________________________
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:31:48 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: ...you care because I do


cz explains:
>All reviews are drenched in a huge all-encompasing IMHO, whether the reviewer
>spells it out, abbreviates it, or even if it is explicitly denied.

This inspires me to propose a new HTML tag:  ... .
I'd like to suggest we use it on this list to bracket large amounts of
text that are known to be pure opinion. Some might argue that this
information is redundant and can be worked out from context, but
it's clear that some people's mental parsers still find ambiguities
and would be better served with an explicit declaration.
Look for it in Netscape Navigator 3.0.


"Pomo" is a mostly-derisive contraction of "Postmodern". Mostly used to
disparage certain works of architecture or interior design, but useful in
other contexts as well. Any time someone uses the keywords "deconstruct",
"text[ual]", "signifier" (to name only a few) you can feel free to use
the word "pomo" in your response.

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Jens Alfke          OpenDoc Optimizator          jens@apple.com     [work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

to wound the autumnal city. So howled out to the world to give him a name.
                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:56:55 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shallow!!!!!!


From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM) >Shallow is from the Kansas City Missouri area. > >1. Shallow "self titled" 1993 7 songs. >2. (lack a dai si cal) 1994 8 songs. >3. Cool 500/Sounds so Good 5" 1995 2 songs. >4. 3D Stereo Trouble, Zero Hour Records 1995 17 songs >5. the sonic boom remixes vinyl/cd 1995 (vinyl and cd have different songs) > also on zero hour. Hey, all the Shallow fans are coming out of the woodwork! I posted reviews of those last 3 releases when they came out... There are some pretty great songs on 3DST but the hard rockingness of some kind of lose me. I prefer the more melodic layered vox tracks. The 2 Sonic Boom remixes I heard on CD Laser Lens Cleaner (this must be some kind of sampler?) are seriously spacey. Pretty cool if you're into that. There is a Zero Hour web page that has the rest of their tour dates somewhere; I don't have the URL. I would try seeing them tonight if it wasn't a given I'll be about dead after work. I'll be at the 8 Page Story show. (only ~10 blocks from my house) -nick the only positive thing about driving an hour to work is grooving down the freeway to Transient Random Stereolab

Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:42:25 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: pomo



i think it's post-modern, cz.

BiZ


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:17:59 -0500
From: the silky smooth sounds of heath byers (wbyers@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: new stuff


bought some new items yesterday of thislistiness:

1. new Hannah Marcus single. featuring two older songs available on both
        river of darkness and weeds & lilies redone and two new songs.
        the reworkings are nice, but the two new songs both feature our
        main man Mark Kozelek on vocals alongside Hannah. available on
        the san francisco label Spirit Music Industries.
2. closedown - nearfield. how did i wait this long? a spacier, keyboard
        treatment enhanced ambient slowdive/bowery electric. very nice.
        silent records.
3. elysian fields ep. loungy and jazzy. reminds me a little of a more
        blues/jazz oriented mazzy star. like opal maybe!? great female
        vocals and all sorts of instruments. radioactive records.
4. rachel's - music for egon schiele. wow. i had to put back bowery electric
        so that i could afford this. piano, viola, and cello pieces
        inspired by and written for a dance production for egon schiele's art.
        exquisite packaging a la ipr with info and art of schiele.
        i cannot recommend this more! breathtaking! highly emotive.
        quarterstick records.
and then i also got the jamc peel sessions and the first echobelly ep,
bellyache, but no one cares about them anymore and on here...
good day!
heath
wbyers@falstaff.ucs.indiana.edu


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:48:56 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Tortoise show/Elysian Field


First a question:

Does anyone know when is Tortoise playing in Los Angeles (the roxy i think),
is it may29? i am not too sure about this.


I would like to add my recommendation to whoever brought up Elysian Fields
i also got that EP a few weeks back and thought it was very cool.
That loungy sound is the greatest on a late night after work (which is what it
says on the sleeve too). Highly recommended.

-nb-


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:39:22 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: The oppression continues...


On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Andrew Norman wrote:

>  einexile the meek  wrote on Thu, 25 Apr 1996
>  (Subject: The oppression continues...)
>  > The Cure - The 13th
>  > Adonais is probably the least impressive of the four songs on the
>  > US releases of these singles.  (I don't know how many show up on
>  > the British ones.)
>
> It's one of those double CD things - two mixes of the A-side plus "It
> Used to be Me" on one, and yet another A-side mix plus the other two
> songs on the other, so Americans are just missing two mixes of "The
> 13th".  I love the a-side and IUTBM, I'm not so keen on the others
> (agreeing with e again - well, someone has to!).  I like the Cure best
> when they are being quirky, and this is quirky Cure par excellence -
> not sure whether it's good or bad, so it must be great.  I got out the
> box set of "Wish" plus singles the other day and played some of the
> tracks - there's some good stuff on there, but a lot of Cure-by-numbers
> too, it will be interesting to hear if the new album is more inventive.

No, the U.S. singles combined have all 3 mixes... of which my favorite is
the "Two Chord Cool" mix...w/apologies for taking up bandwidth with such
non-listy material.

> --
> Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 25/04/96
> nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
> Radio 4
>

Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:03:40 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: einexile the meek - Mr. Reviewer


Although I know for a fact that einexile the meek does not  use his usally
self-throned style of writing on other lists, for some strange reason he
does take an absolute opinion on this list.  I know that e' has a lot of
time and seems to be able to get alot of music going his/her/its direction.
I don't lilke his/her/its style of writing per se', but the fact is, none
of you are really writing music reviews yourselves. If he e starts to flame
you, just tell him/her/it to fuck off and prove his/her/it's points.  Oddly
enough, I use to think einexile the meek was a dolt, then i realized that
he serves a purpose. He keeps everyone awake and challenged.  This list is
for everyone and we learn from each other...."why can't we just get
along?!!! tehehe"

P.S. Right know I'm trying to get a catalog from Third Mind Records. I have
a few things from them. If any of you know of some really great bands off
this label....give me an e-mail.




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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:13:11 -0400
From: Lush Muse (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive


wow, mark kozelek is in this?  does he sing?  or did he just write some
stuff?  has he been involved with his name is alive before?

laters...

Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 18:01:30 -0700
From: aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: welome me - I'm new!


well I'll welome you!

and you're one of the few who actually got to see STP, HE-EEES back in
rehab, what a chore...i hope he pulls out and beats this thing, too
much talent to waste  euthelene

watch out for flaming flames


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 21:40:15 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Dr. Who and Drowning Craze?


>Hmmm. I'm primarily a lurker on here and I'm sure this question
>has asked before but:
>
>SABALON GLITZ?!!!
>
>That's the name of a band?
>
>They must be Doctor Who fans or something...
>
>-SpiGi Fligi Hertlemeyer
>
>

Speaking of Doctor Who, I'd like to make a personal appeal to everyone on the
list to please watch the new Doctor Who series airing Tuesday night May 14th
at 8pm EST here in the US on the FOX network.

A regular fall 1 hour weekly series is riding on good ratings this show
receives during the Tusday night 2 hour mini-movie.

musically related....

Could someone give a review of Simon Raymondes former (?) side project known
as The Drowning Craze???  how do they compare with Cocteaux or any other
thislisty band for that fact?

-blubelknol@aol.com

Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:26:05 -0700
From: Selwyn Oh (selwyn@CSUA.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: sweet f.a.?


What is a "sweet f.a."?  I wondered about it when suede sang about it,
and it's now the title of the new love and rockets album.

wondering what the blob on the StP shirt is.

thanks
selwyn

Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:12:20 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive


> wow, mark kozelek is in this?  does he sing?  or did he just write some
> stuff?  has he been involved with his name is alive before?

  i remember, quite some time ago, my friend telling me about an rhp
  show in ann arbor and mark had done some vocal work for warren...
  singing an hnia song from mouth by mouth with the music to another MBM
  tune {i think lip lyrics with drink, dress, and ink music..but i might
  be wrong on that}. i also remember my friend telling me of bridget &
  mark {when they were unrest} doing the same thing...

  godzuki should open for hnia on tour,
  k

Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 18:58:03 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Third Mind (was Re: einexile the meek - Mr. Reviewer)

              Apr 1996 17:03:40 -0700

>   Although I know for a fact that einexile the meek does
>   not  use his usally self-throned style of writing on
>   other lists, for some strange reason he does take an
>   absolute opinion on this list.  I know that e' has a lot
>   of time and seems to be able to get alot of music going
>   his/her/its direction. I don't lilke his/her/its style
>   of writing per se', but the fact is, none of you are
>   really writing music reviews yourselves. If he e starts
>   to flame you, just tell him/her/it to fuck off and prove
>   his/her/it's points.  Oddly enough, I use to think
>   einexile the meek was a dolt, then i realized that he
>   serves a purpose. He keeps everyone awake and
>   challenged.  This list is for everyone and we learn from
>   each other...."why can't we just get along?!!! tehehe"

Huh?!?  I thought i knew what you were saying then you lost me.  Uhh, nevermind,
that's not the reason i'm replying.

>   P.S. Right know I'm trying to get a catalog from Third
>   Mind Records. I have a few things from them. If any of
>   you know of some really great bands off this
>   label....give me an e-mail.

Um, off the top of my head i can think of a few thislisty artists who were on TM
at one point:

In the Nursery
Eden
The Moon Seven Times
Delerium

and a couple of questionable listicity, that i like:
Front Line Assembly (???--i think they were on TM), Edward KaSpell.

-cz

go from there?  I don't particularly like to duplicate songs so i steer clear of
"best of" albums but does the new ITN compilation have lots of worthwhile songs
that would be otherwise hard to find?  Should i just buy *Stormhorse* instead?


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:00:54 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Stereolab @ WWU / HNiA


Okay, kids.  Stereolab at Western Washington, with Jessamine & Prolapse.
Cellophane Square.  That's all the info I got.  Anyone in the Seattle area
gonna come up for this?  What's the story on a Seattle show?  I'm not
particularly drawn to Stereolab, but it's so rare to catch decent
shows up here (especially on campus), I already bought a ticket.

If any of you get His Name is Alive tour info, *please* post as soon as
possible.  I *need* to see them, but I still might be going to Japan, so
I have to plan ahead.

Back to translating Crayon Shinchan...

Mike