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Subject: Rushed Lush
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:35:00 CDT
From: Lysa Bellott (dijitxs@MAILHOST.ACCESSCOM.NET)
Subject: Re: Cover Art
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 01:46:05 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Anyone Heard of SHALLOW?
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 02:01:46 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Anyone Heard of SHALLOW?
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 02:43:29 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: LaBradford/High Llamas
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:51:07 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: In the Nursery . . .
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:16:02 -0700
From: Zenon M. Feszczak (feszczak@sas.upenn.edu)
Subject: Old messages
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:37:57 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: gigantic cd blowout! stock up and save!
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 06:37:41 -0400
From: naranjas en la cabeza (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Old messages
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:49:43 -0400
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re: Old messages
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:04:03 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Old messages
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:16:49 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Old messages
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:42:16 -0500
From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: gigantic cd blowout! stock up and save!
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:44:21 -0700
From: Spigi Fligi Hertlemeyer (sylv@STERJE.COM)
Subject: HNIA release dates
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:31:45 -0400
From: Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group
Subject: Re: HNIA release dates
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:48:31 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4ad-l vs. 4AD
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:57:41 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: new FSOL
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:35:30 -0400
From: Christian Perring (cperring@UKCC.UKY.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA release dates
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:48:56 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4ad-l vs. 4AD
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:44:59 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Lush Autographs
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:15:51 -0700
From: inoneear@hooked.net
Subject: Re: new FSOL
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:13:40 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: new FSOL
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 15:55:21 -0500
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: TOO PURE QUIZ
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 16:47:50 -0500
From: Michael Peter Stein (mps2@CEC.WUSTL.EDU)
Subject: eyesore updates
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:19:29 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: tortoise
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 15:16:43 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Filming the Pavement/Nico and Vaughan
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:07:44 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: ...you care because I do
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 15:58:26 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: tortoise
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 16:20:54 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: time tape stereo merchandize
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 16:30:20 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: shaving tour tape to trade?
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:37:18 -0400
From: Jennifer Jamieson (Rmitchel5@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: tortoise
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:30:25 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: new FSOL
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:30:55 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Filming the Pavement/
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:55:44 -0400
From: Jennifer Jamieson (Rmitchel5@AOL.COM)
Subject: Frazier Chorus
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:28:04 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: STP promo tapes
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:01:00 CDT
From: Lysa Bellott (dijitxs@MAILHOST.ACCESSCOM.NET)
Subject: Re: v23 - ug
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:23:15 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Stuff for sale/trade
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:21:36 -0700
From: Vada Pinson (brettg@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Shallow!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:55:10 -0500
From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: eyesore, like, design
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 04:07:48 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: ...you care because I do
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:08:37 -0700
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)

Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:35:00 CDT
From: Lysa Bellott (dijitxs@MAILHOST.ACCESSCOM.NET)
Subject: Rushed Lush


Caught the STP show last nite at the House of Blues in New Orleans.  Just a
few things:

1.SCHEER--Impressive...not at all the "heavy metal wanking" as someone has
said before.  Her voice, IMO, is like a cross between Lesley Rankine (Ruby)
and Alison Shaw (Cranes).

2.MOJAVE3--Beautiful yet languorous and I almost fell asleep.

3.LUSH--Let's put it this way, I'm glad I caught the Spooky tour...The
highlights to me were surprisingly the songs off of Lovelife: Last Night,
Childcatcher, Heavenly Nobodies.  The older songs were lacking the sound
quality that I've witnessed in the past.  And the pace was harrowing.  They
barely took a breath between songs, it was like "GO GO GO we gotta get outta
here!"  Despite its fast pace I still felt it was a good show.  I got my $13
+ $2 HouseofBlues-ripoff-service-charge worth.

AND...I think Miki smiled at me :D

Lysa


Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 01:46:05 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cover Art


On Sun, 21 Apr 1996, esp raincloud wrote:

>   i beg to differ about the tarnation artwork not reflecting the music.
>   i see a very nostalgic, almost ghostly quality to the artwork, and i think
>   it compliments tarnation's often lonely, road-trippy somber cowpoke
>   rather well.
>
>
>   k
>


STAR VEIN AGREES WITH THE BIG K......

eye don't understand the v23 knocking. i think he does a good job, if he
didn't the bands and ivo wouldn't use him.
personally i find his album covers quite instrumental in the history of
record covers. like ECM's album covers, you know that you are getting a
4AD release with a vaughan oliver cover.
***********************************************************************
star vein**************http://www.science.wayne.edu/~jrenaud/**********
***********************************************************************
"wishing we were closer and wishing you did too"...b.manning

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 02:01:46 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Anyone Heard of SHALLOW?


i saw shallow open for mercury rev and luna here in detroit. i thought
they were quite good. i believe they are from new york and they might be
on dirt records or zero hour. yup, they are spacey and noisy and i enjoyed
them. they have a new release, but i haven't checked it out yet.
star vein



On Mon, 22 Apr 1996, um.......call me the walrus wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Hello, I just heard a band called Shallow and was wondering if anyone had
> any info on them.  All I know is they will be in l.a. @ spaceland
> sometime this week.  The soung I heard sounded kinda like the spaceman3
> going to town on that three chord "louie louie/wild thing" riff with the
> singer from the cranes sounding as young as ever.  I was just wondering
> if anyone had any other info on them.......
>
> Thanks,
> Rodney
>

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 02:43:29 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU) i saw lush on the spooky tour and it ranks in my rock-bottom ten worst shows that i have ever seen in my entire life. i enjoy lush and always have. spooky is probably my favorite album by them, but live they copmletely sucked. first off, the light show wasn't bad. however the sound was so trebley it pierced and hurt. i mean blood was going to drip out my ear. it was actually causing physical pain. they also brought their own speakers into a place the size of my three bedroom house. it was so loud and so pain inducing. i don't know if they knew it, but none of them moved and they were zombies. i did see lush at lollapalooza and i thought they were quite impressive and they had some stage presence and they actually had a sound check. i hope i get to hear them this time on the shaving the pavement tour. (i know that the time i saw them was probably a bad day, but it did hurt.) also i can back up mark eitzel. i saw american music club play live and i thought it to be one of the best live shows i ever saw. it was so good. they did two encores and a eitzel solo encore. it was a very nice date. ******************* star vein ******************* i'll sink manhattan right under the sea i'll find the sweetest spot to watch as it goes away you were so happy with the things that you said like, "he's my lower half," you laughed but you're going to cry... (continued much later...)

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:51:07 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: LaBradford/High Llamas


On 23 Apr 96 at 19:27, Dez wrote the following about "Loadsa Reviews
(none 4AD)":

> I'm just back from seeing the High Llamas and LaBradford. LaBradford
> were awesome. For any of you unaware of them, they are a trio -
> keyboards, bass, guitar/vocal - and they sculpt incredible sounds.
> Stately, sluggish even, but they create a real headtrip sonic
> attack. Closing my eyes, I imagined Shadow exploding beneath them
> with some choice hip hop beats. Can't think why they make me think
> of hip hop - I wasn't on drugs. The High Llamas I knew little about.
> I was a fan of Microdisney, and thought they might be at worst a bit
> boring. But nothing prepared me for how dreadful they were. They
> want to be a Beach Boys / Beatles hybrid, but end up sounding more
> like ELO or Supertramp. Truly horrible - do yourselves a favour and
> avoid (unless you thought 'Free As A Bird' was the cutting edge of
> new music).
>

Well I think I can totally echo these sentiments I was at the Hop and
Grape as well. Labradford were incredible, even through the
chattering classes. Its kind of unsettling watching a band like that
live. Other references in my experience is Main, but not quite as
minimal as their last output, and, during one song at least,
definitely 'Carnage Visors' by the Cure (for the populist of us).

The High Llamas were unmitigatingly dreadful. A bad Beachboys cover
band. Everything I hated in oh so many bands recently concentrated
into one band. I left.

The Cure's new single must be a joke?

Richard


Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 03:43:52 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: In the Nursery . . . (fwd)


Cool.

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:16:02 -0700
From: Zenon M. Feszczak (feszczak@sas.upenn.edu)
Subject: In the Nursery . . .


An interesting item from the In the Nursery web page:


"Future ITN related projects include preparation for the sequel
 to the Les Jumeaux side-project album Feathercut.
 Called `Roughcut' it will include contributions from Beaumont Hannant,
Andy Weatherall and Sabres Of Paradise. "


the page may be found at:  http://www.fys.ruu.nl/~dompselr/ITN/

Zenon M. Feszczak
Ambientologist

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:37:57 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Old messages


Is it just me or is anyone else getting messages that are days, weeks
and even occasionally months old? Only it gets just a bit annoying to
keep getting old messages.

Richard

Richard Clemens
Centre Officer
Department of Construction & Surveying
University College Salford
Frederick Road, Salford M6 6PU, UK



"If you can't dance its not my revolution"  E Goldman

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 06:37:41 -0400
From: naranjas en la cabeza (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: gigantic cd blowout! stock up and save!

          too-pure@homer.louisville.edu, kurban@coral.bucknell.edu

Hi,

I'm looking to sell or trade a few CDs. Please direct all enquiries to me at
larry@interlog.com, not to the list. Apologies for the crosspost.

stuff I'm getting rid of:

Bardo Pond: Bufo Alvarius etc.

Flies Inside the Sun: ...an audience of others (including herself)
                                                        (kranky noise stuff)

Ivy (the New York one): Lately 5-song EP

Grant McLennan (ex GoBetweens): Watershed

New Fast Automatic Daffodils: Pigeonhole

The Nightblooms: s/t

Red House Painters: (the one with the rollercoaster on the front)




Witch Hazel: Landlocked (not unlike the more tolerable side of recent Boo
Radleys)


Stuff I'm looking for, but probably no one is willing to part with:

Roy Montgomery * Rachel's (first album) * Stars of the Lid * Sabalon Glitz *
Felt (esp. Train Above The City) * Moose (early stuff) * Chapterhouse: Blood
Music+GlobComm remixes * Bark Psychosis * Talk Talk (last 2 albums) * Cul de
Sac * Leaf or Disjecta or whatever it's called * Pram (pre-Sargasso Sea)

Again, mail inquiries/offers/threats to ME, not the list, or else incur the
wrath of the listies.


larry@interlog.com


Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:49:43 -0400
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re: Old messages


yeah, i keep getting way too old msgs.  there are days i only get one or
        even no msgs from this list, then suddenly i will get a ton of
        old msgs at once.
is someone screening the msgs?  are they being held back somewhere by
        someone???  what is going on, if someone knows???

J


Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:04:03 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Old messages


>yeah, i keep getting way too old msgs.  there are days i only get one or
>        even no msgs from this list, then suddenly i will get a ton of
>        old msgs at once.
>is someone screening the msgs?  are they being held back somewhere by
>        someone???  what is going on, if someone knows???
>
i'm screening all your messages.

BiZ, the stormtrooper of the CDA


Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 07:16:49 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Old messages


On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, the boy in zinc wrote:

> i'm screening all your messages.
>
> BiZ, the stormtrooper of the CDA

Don't be angry; he's just doing his job.


    comrade einexile

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:42:16 -0500
From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: Old messages


yep, same here.  i thought it was The Man, or Big Brother.  sc


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:44:21 -0700
From: Spigi Fligi Hertlemeyer (sylv@STERJE.COM)
Subject: Re: gigantic cd blowout! stock up and save!

              <199604241037.GAA06908@gold.interlog.com>

Hmmm. I'm primarily a lurker on here and I'm sure this question
has asked before but:

SABALON GLITZ?!!!

That's the name of a band?

They must be Doctor Who fans or something...

-SpiGi Fligi Hertlemeyer

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:31:45 -0400
From: Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group
Subject: HNIA release dates


Does anyone know the official UK release dates for the "Universal Frequencies"
EP and the "Stars on ESP" full-length by His Name Is Alive?

Also, does anyone know if they will play at the Chicago "Shaving the Pavement"
show?  I'd love to see them again.

Thanks in advance,
Tom
thomulka.worldgroup@notes.compuserve.com

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:48:31 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA release dates

          

I dunno about UK dates, but the usa release dates are as follows:

Universal Frequencies EP   May 17
Stars on ESP LP            June 17


rumour has it that hnia will be guesting at the Detroit STP, along with
lisa germano. this, of course, is just rumour...
so if anyone can confirm hnia at either detroit or chicago, many would be
thankful.

thankfully,
dan k.


Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:57:41 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4ad-l vs. 4AD


I liked very much Jens' comment about bands being pushed to move forward
too fast before given the chance to fully explore the musical vein that
they start out in. I would put Ride and Stone Roses in that category as
well. I think its unfortunate that this kinda pressure and expectation is
put on bands. I also think it has a lot to do with the good old british
press who love to proclaim THE NEXT BIG THING! young bands get put on a
pedestal and its a long way down. If each subsequent record isnt as
earthshattering as the first (or if the press doesnt make it out to be
so) suddenly said band is trash. I wish there was someway around this...

On that note however, I disagree with the comments about 4AD having 'lost
its edge'. Sure there are new and exciting things going on in other areas
and other labels than what's come out of 4AD lately. But I'm not sure 4AD has
ever been in the business of being cutting edge. 4AD has always had a
unique vision, and to some extent this vision, or perhaps style is a
better word, has caught on to the point that a lot of other musicians
have followed it. But to me it kinda seems like declaring the golden age
to be over is kinda similar to problems of setting any single band on a
pedestal...  its a long way down. And I'm just not convinced that 4AD has
fallen that far.

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:35:30 -0400
From: Christian Perring (cperring@UKCC.UKY.EDU)
Subject: new FSOL


maybe I was not paying attention, but I have not seen any discussion on
this list of the new Future Sound of London.  It has one of those
holographic/visual weirdness covers, and seems to be a US release, since it
was only about $14.00.  From the looks of it, it might have been a kind of
singles collection.  I don't know, but it did have two versions of Papua
New Guinea (sp?) on it, and the copyright date was 1996.  So will those who
know about these things correct my mistaken assumptions and give
appropriate info.  And if this is some ultra rare CD that got into my local
store by mistake, e-mail me and I'll go and buy it immediately.  (I've been
listening to the new INSTICT "Intermix" ambient collection and it is pretty

christian
                                                "well-beaut-rin"

p.s. did the people from bark psychosis do anything after "hex"?,
and what is that guy Tim Fries-whathisname from talk-talk doing these days?


Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:48:56 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA release dates



On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, daniel klyn wrote:

> I dunno about UK dates, but the usa release dates are as follows:
>
> Universal Frequencies EP   May 17
> Stars on ESP LP            June 17
>
>
> rumour has it that hnia will be guesting at the Detroit STP, along with
> lisa germano. this, of course, is just rumour...
> so if anyone can confirm hnia at either detroit or chicago, many would be
> thankful.

FIVE BANDS!!!!!!!! DETROIT NEVER GETS THIS KOOL. THIS HAS TO BE AN EVIL
RUMOUR. I CALLED THE BOOKING PEOPLE AT ritual because i used to work there
and i have "connections" and they said that for right now they have scheer
slated at 8:30p.m., mojave three at 10:00p.m, and lush at 11:30 p.m. with
no talks of anyone else performing. my friend that actually runs ritual
likes hnia and lisa germano and now she is gonna ask questions for her and
myself. if i get any additional "official" word on the detroit area i will
relay that to the list.
*******
star vein
*******

>
> thankfully,
> dan k.
>


Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:44:59 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4ad-l vs. 4AD


>put on bands. I also think it has a lot to do with the good old british
>press who love to proclaim THE NEXT BIG THING! young bands get put on a

i think that's becoming a trend in america as well.  look at veruca salt,
for example (who, imo were never that great but they fit the example.)  they
signed to a major label instantly (i'm assuming you all know minty fresh was
an "indie" label started by geffen.)

i recently interviewed a band who has recently cut their debut for geffen,
and they'd only released a 7" on an indie label before being signed.  one of
the things he told me the record execs told him was something along the
lines of "we could start you out on an indie label like we did with smashing
pumpkins.  that way you'd still have our money behind you, but you'd have
more credibility as well."

from what i've heard of the music biz (please excuse the pun) in the us,
it's the labels rather than the media that scramble to find the next big
thing.  young bands (like veruca salt) are snatched up by majors only to
enjoy flash-in-the-pan-type success because by the time they record another
album the label has moved on to other young bands.

the american music press seems to still value that "hard-working/work your
way up from the bottom/everybody has a chance" kind of ethic (which imo
is rooted in american history), but the reality is that the labels, anxious
to find the "next big thing." are snatching up bands left and right.

you all, of course, may beg to differ.

BiZ

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:15:51 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Fwd: Lush Autographs


Got this in personal mail. I know you listies are all clueful froods so I
won't bother to remind you to respond to Kym herself and not me. Right?

--Jens [not using his .sig Just In Case]

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Lush Autographs

From: inoneear@hooked.net Hey Jens, how's it going? (you've got a cool name) Anyway, my name is Kym and I met up with Miki and her boyfriend at Aardvark's in San Francisco,and got their autographs.It's on an Aardvark's postcard. I wanted to know if you could tell your fans it is for sale. I also have promo documentation about what concert it was after. They can e-mail me :inoneear@hooked.net or call : 510.247.3373 MUCHOS !!!

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:13:40 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: new FSOL


Christian Perring asks:
>...I have not seen any discussion on
>this list of the new Future Sound of London.  It has one of those
>holographic/visual weirdness covers, and seems to be a US release, since it
>was only about $14.00.  From the looks of it, it might have been a kind of
>singles collection.  I don't know, but it did have two versions of Papua
>New Guinea (sp?) on it, and the copyright date was 1996.

Is this the rerelease of "Accelerator", their first album (1991)? I
glanced at it in a store recently (I have the original) and noted that it
had a different cover and a remix of PNG. It's a fine techno album --
"PNG" and "Calcium" are classics, and it's got a lot of other strong
stuff. Lots of fun for playing "name that sample", too: I especially like
the way they recycled the annoying synth riff from Throbbing Gristle's
"What A Day" on "Central Industrial".

>p.s. did the people from bark psychosis do anything after "hex"?

There are two singles from "Hex" that I believe came out after the album.
The A-sides are "Big Shot" and "A Street Scene". One of them (I forget
which) has b-sides "Hex" (yes, the missing title cut from the album)
which gets very noisy and a lame remix of an album track. The other --
which I will pay big bux for -- has b-side "Reserve Shot Gunman" which is
BP doing hardcore techno on 'real' instruments (not a synth in sight) and
one of their best tracks ever IMHO.

Half the band are now recording as Boymerang. They have some hard to find
12"s, and one of their tracks appears on the second Ambient Extractions
comp. My main man Gil Gershman just sent me some mix tapes that include a
Boymerang track, and it's basically jungle at heart but with lots of
sonic weirdness and complexity to it. Jungle doesn't push my buttons the
way techno does but this is the best junglish thing I've heard yet...

>and what is that guy Tim Fries-whathisname from talk-talk doing these days?

Dunno. Tim Friese-Green produced Lush's "Sweetness and Light" EP in 1990,
but I guess that was before Talk Talk's last album. Don't think he or
Mark Hollis were in the BP spin-off O-Rang. And what's Hollis doing too?

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 15:55:21 -0500
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: new FSOL


the fsol cd is a reissue of their 1992 album accelerator -- quite the
ground breaker, but it never quite made its way into the us.  the cover art
is amazing, and i have been told it's typical of cleopatra/hypnotic (the us
goth/industrial/techno label that rereleased it).  they've also rerleased
fsol's cascade ep.

BiZ

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 16:47:50 -0500
From: Michael Peter Stein (mps2@CEC.WUSTL.EDU)
Subject: TOO PURE QUIZ



I'm stumped by a few questions on the Too Pure quiz...so I'm not the Too
Pure whiz :)  If anyone can help me out with these questions, I'd be most

1) Name of Stereolab's cartoon guy?
2) Tom of Th'Faith Healers band?
3) "Silver Apples of the Moon", where does title come from?

E-mail me if you know the answers.  If I can I could also give you any
other quiz question answers that I might have.  Ta for now.

-Mike
 mps2@cec.wustl.edu

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:19:29 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: eyesore updates


I have now updated the eyesore databases at ifi and evo somewhat.  I
have fallen behind a bit, so I would appreciate it if y'all were to
mail me more information and/or corrections.

Not to mention URLs.  I'd like to link to all the group-specific
sites, but I don't know any of the URLs, so please mail them to me,
and I'll include them.

The eyesore data base can be found at

Perhaps I should Fancify and Design the site properly?  And write Java
applets?  And use background pictures?

Nah.

--
  "Yes.  The journey through the human heart
     would have to wait until some other time."


Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 15:16:43 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: tortoise


                               Subject:
                                   tortoise

could i get any info on TORTOISE?
What do they sound like? Any discography and recommendations?
I heard some good things about them.

-deemie-

  4/24/96
  3:18 PM

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:07:44 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Filming the Pavement/Nico and Vaughan


Caught the Atlanta show last night and had a question.

Does anyone know what it was for that the film crew was filming? It was a
good size crew with an crane and the whole bit. They filmed all the bands.

Any plans for releasing this on video? Hmmmm.

scheer were the best of the lot last night...by miles and miles.

So is Nirvana heavy-metal wanking? Ponder, ponder.

Mojave 3 are quite good live (different from the album). When Neil announced
there last tune, two Mojaters in the audience were screaming things like
"YEAH!!!!" and "ALRIGHT!!!!" to which Rachel replied with a soft-spoken, but
very pointed "Fuck You!!!!" And the crowd went wild!!!

Atta goil!

Also I got a Nico ep on Beggars Banquet called "My Funny Valentine" and
wanted to know if anyone knew if Vaughan or Chris or some such was
responsible for the cover? It looks it.

Bye...

Roy


Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 15:58:26 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: ...you care because I do


Scheer - Infliction
-------------------
What can I say? You guys are kind of overreacting to this. My first
instinct was to overreact as well. Frankly, I would like to bury the art
director up to his neck in the sand at low tide. Worse, I'm inclined to
suspect that this packaging is the worthy followup to A Psychopath some
of us knew was inevitable.
  That said, has anyone considered that this might well have been the
next Belly album? Harshen the guitars, get a really weird drummer, throw
in some Lush and Throwing Muses staples and some Contemporary Grunge 4AD
sellout shit...sure, this could be the Belly album after next, at least.
  The style is not offensive. It's not wanking. It's considerably less
charming than anything the label has released since Red Heaven, sure. I'm
not going to apologize for this record, but it's not wanking and it's not
horrible. It's okay, and there are some okay songs here, mainly the less
plugged-in ditties...although some of them do border on lousy and a few
of the better songs are the "wanking" songs.
  Of course, none of what I've said here should not be taken to mean that
I will ever listen to this album again.


Sting - Mercury Falling
-----------------------
What the hell, right? Come on, admit it, you almost bought it too.
  Sting makes a small comeback. Here we have a more subdued and classier
delivery than the last two albums offered. A lot of nice songs, less jazz
pomp, some really pretty melodies and chord changes and decorations and
effective lyrics...and of course a bit of Sting making an ass of himself.
But just a little. It's okay, it really is, you can like Sting. Go ahead.
Blame it on me. I made you. :)


Orbital - The Box
-----------------
Ladies and gentlemen, Orbital have returned to the building...
  Christ, I thought for certain we'd lost them. Snivilisation was, sure,
as I said before, a failed but noble experiment, or something, but you
couldn't really listen to the last half of it. Strip away my diplomatic
words and it was borderline awful. Last Summer's "Times Fly" single was
perhaps worse; I hated it enough that I didn't bother to figure that out.
But THIS...this is very, very good. And there is nothing else like it out
there.
  What we have is a lot of very groovy beats and harsh buzzy shit laid
over some hypnotically cool reverberating piano lines. They are
mechanical and organic at the same time, the way Orbital sometimes do
with their drum tracks (the cymbals on Forever come to mind first). On
the second track you have this harpsichord sound that enters in, and the
way everything plays off the other is fantastic. I will again make the
reference to Forever, which may be one of the reasons I hate
Snivilisation but which nevertheless is their best song to date. This
stuff all mixes together and just when you think it's going to be too
silly it gets all cool again, everything dances around itself and all
this elusive crap happens in the back. You can't really tell what the
hell is going on, probably, but it's wonderful.
  And best of all, it's creepy. Not in that artsy sort of way I talk
about Modula Green and Current 93, but in the sense that the haunted house
in Super Mario World is creepy, ok? And that's essential too, no?
  Third song is a bit electroey or something, your classic Orbital romp,
and the last of the four songs is much like the first but with some
vocals I don't get into but which are definitely appropriate and pretty
cool.  In fact, these are apparently four versions of the same song, and
in three of the versions you can detect it. Maybe in all four. The second
song blows me away too much to say.
  Anyway, our prodigal bleepers are back.


More later on. Nearly God and The Thirteenth and that shitty new Coil
thing. Right now I have to go pay the record store guy. :p



 e

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 16:20:54 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: tortoise


I've been meaning to review Tortoise's "Millions Now Living Will Never
Die" so here goes...

The 21-minute "Djed" is great stuff, an epic that starts with squelchy
AFX-style percussion noises and moves through Stereolab/Neu-style drone,
tweaky dub, gamelan and a mix of other styles. Lots of great Moog sounds
throughout, and classic dub moments where a particular noise suddenly
flares up, loops and takes over everything else. The only weak point of
this track is the dated-sounding electric piano solo atop the Stereolabby
section.
The other tracks are a mixed bag. Several go into semi-funky jams in
weird time signatures. Call me an old fart, but these remind me
unpleasantly of the weaker side of '70s prog-rock. One thing I keep
noticing in several tracks is that Tortoise are _excellent_ at creating
interestingly fucked-up noises and jams, but are weak at actual melody
lines.
"Dear Grandma and Grandpa" is mostly the former, and it's very nice even
if it doesn't really go anywhere.
"Along the Banks Of Rivers" has what's actually a fairly nice guitar
lead, even if it reminds me somewhat of slow '50s instrumental rock
(think "Spooky".) It's got a jazzy Bark Psychosis kind of sound to it.
>From the hype I'd been expecting more obviously Stereolab-like stuff; all
there is of that is a few minutes in "Djed". There's lots of antique
synth action but Tortoise do a lot more with it than the novelty
squiggles that Stereolab use. One major reference point for me is Eno's
early work -- a few of the tracks here remind me a lot of "Another Green
World".

I don't know if I can really recommend the album wholeheartedly. I like
"Djed" a lot, but most of the rest is not living up to its potential. See
if you can find it used, or listen to it before you buy.

__________          ___________________          ________________________
Jens Alfke          OpenDoc Optimizator          jens@apple.com     [work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

to wound the autumnal city. So howled out to the world to give him a name.
                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 16:30:20 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: time tape stereo merchandize


  got me a new catalogue from the livonia weirdos. here it is, retyped
  for your perusal....

  k

  ********************************************************************

  time Stereo
  28143 W. 8 Mile
  Livonia, MI
  48152

  all items ppd. in the US. make checks payable to Record Collector.
  you can fax them @ 810-473-9321

  * cassettes * $4.50 each except "*" is $10 - descriptions are not my own...

  noise camp            - real kids, noise, camp
  noise camp remix      - noise, drum machine, kids
  grape rave            - electronic noise & science
  time remixes          - fast sounds in noise style
  esp beetles           - tapes of sound
  esp family            - communist miner folk songs 1930
  esp summer            - summer sound w/ ian & warn
  time piano            - avante garde piano, abstract style
  time sombrero         - one man from minnesota plays at the same time
  pail saint            - sounds from loops & sound
  dragon god            - god bullies + princess dragon-mom "broken time"
  dragon god            - "more time" better than "broken time"
  little princess       - "forgot to remember" fast noise with rap sound
  3/4 time              - swing, polkas, & country 1951-1962 tapes
  live esp              - esp beetles live freakout tapes edit
  hearing trumpet       - 'sleepy lagoon' tapes, lp's noise
  new grape             - noise + girl = pop
  his name is alive     - mexico, live, etc. sound
  beat bandit           - little princess ambient home record
  war machine           - live show free noise rock
  communist guitar      - warren's brother, recorded at factory
  electric mud          - 1968 psychedelic blue "bootleg"
  your golden           - little princess fast noise, out of print
  control panel         - technological lp, electronic tapes
  in a people house     - free noise rock turns into noise tapes
  live ohms             - scientific tapes and extra sound
  no credit             - producer of mystic moog ork makes noise tape
  godzuki               - "first one" reissue of six song 4-track tapes
  godzuki               - "free wade" avante garde saxophone plays godzuki tape
  cooper time           - chad, esp beetles, kentucky ham, saucer family,
                          d. james, the impaler, little princess,
                          grace brother, hearing trumpet, more.. brown cuts...
                          united friendly... more..
                          tribute to alice cooper tape by favourite groops
  *princess dragon-mom  - g.r.o.s.s. import. one side studio, one side live.
                          all very noise. no easy tape this first time.

  * 7"s * these are $3 each.

  esp family            - jubilee ep. contains 2 songs from tape and two
                          new ones - recorded in 1930's for union
                          workers records
  esp beetles           - the world on time. one side 45 has fast sounds
                          noise rock and tape edit/loop

  * etc. *

  ufo doctor            - $10 video. three movies on one tape
                          wrestle time, ufo dr., & whale who became star.
  time machine          - $10 video. one hour tape of all pd-m shows.
                          "daredevils of stage".
  pd-m                  - $6 cd. "slow poke". noise tapes on cd, loud tapes.
                          fifty minutes long, harsh sound.
  incense               - $1 "butter cake". smells like real food.

  4 books available. ask for details.
  coming soon ... noise camp video, hnia / little princess 7"


Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:37:18 -0400
From: Jennifer Jamieson (Rmitchel5@AOL.COM)
Subject: shaving tour tape to trade?


I saw the StP show last night in Atlanta and got my hands on two extra promo
tapes that were given out.  In case any of you didn't get this and would like
it, I would like to trade these for some stuff I am wanting to hear.  I am
looking for stuff from Labradford, FSA (chorus), Future Sounds of London, the
Orb, Orbital, Laika's Silver Apples,  Cocteau's Milk and Kisses, Scorn,
Disjecta, Mouse on Mars, astrobrite and maybe some other stuff not listed due
to my poor memory.

email me personally if you are interested. oh and sorry for the crosspost.

Rmitchel5@aol.com

p.s. the show was ok. Half-full venue.  Unfortunately (or some of you might
say FORTUNATELY) i missed scheer.  mojave 3 - very good-I stayed awake with
no problem-  lush- not as good as they used to be live, their hearts just
dont seem to be in it anymore.

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:30:25 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: tortoise


Tortoise are playing in Toronto this Sunday,
April 28 at Lee's Palace.

I think I will go to see and let everyone know what
they were like live. Also next month Lush/Mojave3/Sheer
at the Opera House and Stereolab here as well.
Uh-oh, guess I better get a loan for the concerts, heh heh.

Steve


***********************************************************
You wanna see me? Know about me?
Look on this web page under Stevenn:

Atelier Design Communications
Steven Venn, b.f.a. - Graphic Designer
139 Golfclub Court, Richmond Hill,
Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1

(905) 884-2601
(416) 504-0144

"Listen pal, you can't just waltz in here, use my toaster
 and spout universal truths without qualification!"
                                                    -Jude from Hal Hartley's
                                                     "Surviving Desire"

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:30:55 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: new FSOL


"accelerator" is the CD you are refering to... it isn't new material,
it is a reissue of their first full length, i picked it up a little
while ago, and though i can't say i like it as much as any other FSOL,
it's not that bad.... it's dancey but no where near as great as "tales
of ephadrina"

                hope i helpped.





You wrote:
>
>maybe I was not paying attention, but I have not seen any discussion
on
>this list of the new Future Sound of London.  It has one of those
>holographic/visual weirdness covers, and seems to be a US release,
since it
>was only about $14.00.  From the looks of it, it might have been a
kind of
>singles collection.  I don't know, but it did have two versions of
Papua
>New Guinea (sp?) on it, and the copyright date was 1996.  So will
those who
>know about these things correct my mistaken assumptions and give
>appropriate info.  And if this is some ultra rare CD that got into my
local
>store by mistake, e-mail me and I'll go and buy it immediately.  (I've
been
>listening to the new INSTICT "Intermix" ambient collection and it is
pretty
>
>christian
>                                                "well-beaut-rin"
>
>p.s. did the people from bark psychosis do anything after "hex"?,
>and what is that guy Tim Fries-whathisname from talk-talk doing these
days?
>

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:55:44 -0400
From: Jennifer Jamieson (Rmitchel5@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Filming the Pavement/


In a message dated 96-04-24 19:37:57 EDT, roy wrote:

>Caught the Atlanta show last night and had a question.
>
>Does anyone know what it was for that the film crew was filming? It was a
>good size crew with an crane and the whole bit. They filmed all the bands.

it was being filmed for PBS believe it or not.
i was there too and i spoke briefly to the cameraman (he looked like Ken- of
Mattel fame)

>Any plans for releasing this on video? Hmmmm.

they will have a concert series that will run on saturday nights, but i have
no idea of the time frame.

>scheer were the best of the lot last night...by miles and miles.
>
>So is Nirvana heavy-metal wanking? Ponder, ponder.
>
>Mojave 3 are quite good live (different from the album). When Neil announced
>there last tune, two Mojaters in the audience were screaming things like
>"YEAH!!!!" and "ALRIGHT!!!!" to which Rachel replied with a soft-spoken, but
>very pointed "Fuck You!!!!" And the crowd went wild!!!

this pissed me off so much- i saw one of the assholes who screamed that and i
wanted to wack him so badly.  people are so fucking rude.  overall the croud
at masquerade was pretty anti-mojave.  I had a "stevie wonder" lipsync'er in
front of me lipsyncing to every lush song and moving his head around like
stevie. cool.

jennifer


Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:28:04 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Frazier Chorus


Just in case any of yall were fans of Frazier Chorus and the single on 4AD, I
just found a new single.
It is on a label called THE SEEDY SINGLES LABEL out of all places, St. Louis.
 anyway this is the guys email # if you wanted to get a copy
  SeedySL@aol.com
bye

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:01:00 CDT
From: Lysa Bellott (dijitxs@MAILHOST.ACCESSCOM.NET)
Subject: STP promo tapes


I should have mentioned this with my previous post but forgot.  I caught the
show at the HoB in New Orleans and was there early enough, or at least I
thought, to get a free tape.  Well, I never got one or saw anyone handing
them out, though other people did have them, so I was a bit
saddened...UNTIL...I happened upon an entire display of them in Tower
Records,  just there for the taking.  So I got a couple.  Oh lucky day!

Lysa


Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:23:15 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: v23 - ug


Mr. Burns

Bless you my child. Keep it up!

Bye,

Another Mr. Burns

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:21:36 -0700
From: Vada Pinson (brettg@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Stuff for sale/trade


hello, I have the following CDs for sale or trade. the prices include
shipping. They are all in fine shape.

Jessamine - self (Kranky) $9
Bowery Electric - self (Kranky) $9
Autechre - Amber (TVT) $9
Red house Painters - self (4ad) the bridge cover one $8
Bleach - Killing Time (Dali) $8
In the Nursery - Twins/Temper (Sweatbox)  $8
The Velvet Underground andNico (Verve) $6
Drive Like Jehu - self (Cargo) $8
Rocket from the Crypt - Circa Now (Interscope) $8
Miranda Sex Garden - Madra (Mute) $8
Love and Rockets - Hot Trip to Heaven (American) Disc only $4
Weezer - self (Geffen) $5
The Stranglers - The Collection 1977-1982 (LIberty) $8

please respond to me and not the list. Remember make trade offers if
possible. thanks for reading

Brett

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:55:10 -0500
From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Shallow!!!!!!


Shallow is from the Kansas City Missouri area.

1.  Shallow "self titled" 1993 7 songs.
2.  (lack a dai si cal) 1994 8 songs.
3.  Cool 500/Sounds so Good 5" 1995 2 songs.
4.  3D Stereo Trouble, Zero Hour Records 1995 17 songs
5.  the sonic boom remixes vinyl/cd 1995 (vinyl and cd have different songs)
    also on zero hour.

I also have a video of them playing in joplin Mo. and at least 3 live recordings
of them also in joplin.  If you cant find any of these and want them e-mail
me!!!

jason
jcleveland@woodtech.com

Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 04:07:48 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: eyesore, like, design


I've now made eyesore as ugly as I could.  Yecchh!!  I'm totally
against using background colors, so I thought I should make as bold as
statement as possible.

I've also added links (and stuff) to other sites.

probably spread itself to evo after a while.

Suggestions are welcome.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:08:37 -0700
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: ...you care because I do


On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, einexile the meek wrote:

> Orbital - The Box
> -----------------
>   ....Snivilisation was, sure,
> as I said before, a failed but noble experiment, or something, but you
> couldn't really listen to the last half of it.

        Yes I could.  Why are you talking about my taste in music?

        I think your reviews would be more effective and piss off fewer
list members if you used more "I think" and "I feel"s instead of stating
your opinions as the absolute truth that you are handing on to us.

> Strip away my diplomatic words and it was borderline awful.

        I don't think it _is_ at all.

        In the past, I've been pretty indifferent to your reviews - you haven't
really written about anything I've been too interested in - but I can
now see why your "style" would grate on some.

        David, who can't recommend enough the new James Brown compilation
                        "Foundations of Funk: A Brand New Bag 1964-1969"

__________________________________________________________________________
David McCallum                                            mccallum@efn.org
                http://www.efn.org/~mccallum/arkane.html
               -a shrimpy shrine to the music of a.r.kane


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