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Subject: Re: v23 - ug
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 23:55:56 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: paving over some graves
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 22:02:29 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Help! Stereolab
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 01:20:51 -0400
From: Michael Hauben (hauben@cs.columbia.edu)
Subject: Re: v23 - ug
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 22:55:50 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: art criticism
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 23:07:47 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Totonto StP tour: Mojave3 instore??
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 02:38:10 -0400
From: photon boy (jbriante@UOGUELPH.CA)
Subject: Re: misery loves (the record) company
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 03:00:18 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: comments on Childcatcher versions
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 03:26:13 -0400
From: Lorraine Lelis (lfl3858@IS4.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: DEAD CAN DACE tracklisting and albuminfo
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:43:24 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Name this Stereolab song
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:39:09 +0200
From: Kjetil Kristiansen (kjekr@IDT.UNIT.NO)
Subject: Re: DCD Where are they playing in San Fran
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:43:26 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: double dating Dead Can Dance
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:43:28 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: velour
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 03:04:07 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh!
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:49:57 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: v23 grossout cover art
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 06:52:21 -0400
From: naranjas en la cabeza (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: absence of listiness
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 06:34:52 -0500
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer! (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: NDN:Something v23 Fishy
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 20:36:46 EST
From: Network Manager (system@WI.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Has anydone done an AMPS review?
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 04:48:01 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: Totonto StP tour: Mojave3 instore??
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:18:59 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Corporate Attack... again.
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:35:18 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Name this Stereolab song
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:50:28 -0700
From: Jason Koma (jk268095@OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh!
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:01:40 -0400
From: Scott Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: Re: v23 - ug
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:49:55 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: v23
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:41:02 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: comments on Childcatcher versions
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:56:07 -0500
From: Sung Shim (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh! & Warp - ugh! Seefeel are crap, etc.
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:00:57 +0100
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Art discussion...
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:11:57 -0400
From: liles melissa m (mmlile@FACSTAFF.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:08:26 -0400
From: liles melissa m (mmlile@FACSTAFF.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh!
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:23:57 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:33:28 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Totonto StP tour: Mojave3 instore??
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:09:26 -0400
From: Cheryl Cadotte (ccadotte@UOGUELPH.CA)
Subject: Animals for sale
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:44:27 -0400
From: rgivens@USA.PIPELINE.COM
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:38:10 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Animals for sale
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:22:01 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: More childcatcher, i guess
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:12:07 -0500
From: "Me :)" (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Projekt Festival
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:06:14 -0500
From: charles darkwave (charles@PROJEKT.COM)
Subject: Cow Heart Fools
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:03:59 -0700
From: Brett Boyd (BOYDB@CSMC.EDU)
Subject: silvania
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 18:50:50 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: Animals for sale/v23
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 00:38:10 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Help
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:15:00 PDT
From: "Heileson, Thomas" (heilts1@MPE11.GHC.ORG)
Subject: volume series. is it difficult to...
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:31:54 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Totonto StP tour: Mojave3 instore??
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:38:11 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Even more childcatcher and Armpits!
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 18:25:01 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: paving over some graves
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 18:28:10 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: going home
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 02:12:41 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Repetition [Re: The Aphex Twin]
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:54:18 -0500
From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: volume series. is it difficult to...
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:42:54 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Totonto StP tour: Mojave3 instore??
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:40:49 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: the free tape...an hnia observation, of sorts...
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:04:19 -0500
From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: Totonto StP tour: Mojave3 instore??
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:29:17 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Art discussion...
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:38:28 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: the free tape...an hnia observation, of sorts...
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:05:34 -0500
From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: The Aphex Twin
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 02:51:09 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 23:55:56 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 - ug


I LOVE the overlapping faded fonts (and actually have no problem with
entrails etc., usually they are done in a way that suits the music, or at
least my mind has made them fit) trompe le monde goes perfectly with cow
eyeballs as does inribbons with entrails. Its the lesson of feedback -
its not WHAT it is on the objective level, its HOW it is used in the art
form.
Anyway, the overlapping fonts are great because (at least for the PS)
stuff, it has always fit my conception of the band and what goes on in
their songs, ideas and melodies and rythms surface and are subsumed.

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 22:02:29 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: paving over some graves


  in defense of scheer: i was expecting black sabbath, and what i got
  was something just a tad bit heavier than the standard crop of
  indie/rock happenings. it's not THAT heavy nor metal. i kept seeing
  this guy make the infamous devil sign during their set as a joke,
  and i wanted to bop him over the head for being a stupidass. i don't
  see what all the big commotion is about. i only heard one song by them
  prior to seeing them live, and the guitar work was definately on the
  cheese-metal side, but what occurred live was much more restrained
  and the two songs on the tape aren't that much off the mark from the
  way they performed them. if anything, 4ad could "guide" them into showing
  some restraint. i mean, they told mark kozelek they didn't like his
  guitar solos...the least they could do is persuade scheer to turn down
  their Heavy Metal pedals. the singer certainly has a voice that overrides
  the thick sound the musicians create and she *is* a doll. funny how this
  tour brings together 3 bands whose female members are the most attractive
  out of the entire 4ad roster...i am curious what horny male packaged
  this tour... ;)



  *k*

  ...StP live photos due to be scanned and put up at my soon-2-be web site...

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 01:20:51 -0400
From: Michael Hauben (hauben@cs.columbia.edu)
Subject: Re: Help! Stereolab


This is a bit old, but...

>I would take them to be the prime essence of what StereoLab is all
>about.  If you only like to dance to albums, well...stick to the top 40
>stuff and stir clear of Stereolab in general.

Baaalony! ;) Whenever I hear that drone come on up, I go made on
the dancefloor. I *love* dance to Stereolab when I see them live,
since I get so worked up and into the "trance" of the drone of
the songs. Granted, not too many people are dancing, but it
drives me to the lengths of endurance! =)

/Michael - sentinel

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 22:55:50 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: v23 - ug


On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, Joseph Burns wrote:

> Its the lesson of feedback - its not WHAT it is on the objective
> level, its HOW it is used in the art form.

What you have just written here is as meaningless as the artwork you are
defending. No more of this "my perception your perception" goofiness,
please. I thought the whole point of 4AD in the first place was to make
classy and beautiful art without sinking into the relativist quagmire of
hippie pomo culture.

Jens, is there some way I can killfile anything with the word
"subjective" in it?

And to whomever: overlapping fonts do not by their nature render text
unreadble or imbalanced--it's just that the more complicated the
typography the more difficult to keep it balanced and not have things
jumbled. Frankly I think a number of people working out there are
interested in hiding their lack of originality behind unreadbility.

I still say the best laid out magazine in the world is Goldmine.

...and Scorn still suck!



 e, who does not drool when people challenge his preconceptions

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 23:07:47 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: art criticism


While we're on the subject of art, or more particularly, graphic
design criticism, one thing I wish good ol' Vaughan would
retire is the "grid" format for listing song titles.
and now the Shaving The Pavement tape. Makes it look like
a HTML table!

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 02:38:10 -0400
From: photon boy (jbriante@UOGUELPH.CA)
Subject: Totonto StP tour: Mojave3 instore??


It seems that mojave3 is doing instore appearances at before certain
shows, so does anybody know if they are doing one before their Toronto
date on May 4?


-joey-

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 03:00:18 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: misery loves (the record) company


welllllll (water) you are wrong.

air miami mixes it up quite well ("i,i,i i've got it world cup
fever"..."hey, hey, hey, hey i'm gonna get fucked up today.") . lush sings
"shake baby, shake" (i know that is not the title) and that songs pretty
fun. liqourice makes quite a perky record and jennifer toomey is hilarious
live. she kept on singing in between songs a warped refrain from the brady
bunch theme song... she would sing, "the youngest one had a horn." i
thought it to be quite funny. maybe you had to be there. the new lisa
germano track seems pretty lively. also the new presidents of the united
states of america are always happy with all their damn peaches. i know
they are not 4AD yet, but you never know?

also the new 4AD tribute album that is coming out in june. i got to listen
to an advanced copy. it's a tribute to barry white. dead can dance do a
great version of "can't get enough of your love" and his name is alive's
rendition of "never gonna quit" is amazingly upbeat. even this mortal coil
gets in the mix by doing "my first, my last, my everything." the
vaughan oliver design is breath taking. it's this amazing collage of barry
white photos.
************************************************************************
"i'm never ever gonna quit 'cause quitin' just ain't my stick." -b.white
************************************************************************
"i feel a change, something moves, i scream your name." b.white
************************************************************************
"baby sweet, baby babe come on babe... ooooh what a goooove thang i love
how you do it..." b.white
************************************************************************
star vein***************************************************************
************************************************************************


On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, deluxx wrote:

> Okay, here's my gripe,
>
> I am thoroughly depressed by the amount of depressing crap that 4AD has
> put out. (isn't it ironic?  it's like raaa-eee-yaaain...*thwap*)  Yes, I
> realize 4AD was born during, and helped develop, the "goth" period, and
> I also realize that the whole "alternative" genre is basically just
> gloom-and-doom crap.  That doesn't mean I have to listen to that aural
> sludge.  I've gone through my 4AD disc and weeded out the ones that I
> consider to be somewhat "upbeat" releases.
>
> Belly "Star"
> Unrest "Perfect Teeth"
> Frank Black "Teenager of the Year"
> UVS "Joy 1967-1990" (but only if you ignore the lyrics)
>
> Hmm, I see a problem here.  Where's all the "happy" music??!!  Ivo needs
> to grow the fuck up and stop being so fashionably depressed.  There's
> more pure joy in the song "Make-Out Club" that in all the 1996 4AD
> releases.  Lush is too angry, scheer is schit, mojave is too murky.
> They should rename it the "Slashing the Wrist Veins" tour.  I used to be
> such a 4AD junkie.  Now I wonder if I'll ever buy a 4AD product again.
>
> 
>
> --deluxx
>


Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 03:26:13 -0400
From: Lorraine Lelis (lfl3858@IS4.NYU.EDU)
Subject: comments on Childcatcher versions


the Select childcatcher came out "free with select may 1994."  i'm
lookin' at it right now...the tape also has primal scream, boo radleys,
ride, idha, afx, st. etienne, awesome kristin hersh song, one dove...
awesome tape

what do you all think of it, this version?  i like it better than the
lovelife one, i think i don't like the lovelife dropout too much.  lush
got really into dropouts...

i also like the older tinkerbell...... anyone else?  it's so much more
prettier and glittery.

so is the AVAM childcaatcher different?  anyone know?


lushous lor


Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:43:24 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: DEAD CAN DACE tracklisting and albuminfo


>so what exactly is the dcd release date for the US. i thought it was june 3rd
>around the wrold and june 11th here in the US?
>

Indeed it is.


>also any info on brendan's solo release date?

It's removed from the releaselist for 1996, so I give up hope.

Cheers,

Huite

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:39:09 +0200
From: Kjetil Kristiansen (kjekr@IDT.UNIT.NO)
Subject: Name this Stereolab song


I have this little recording of Stereolab, but there's one song
that I don't find on any of the albums I have.

It's kind of a slow song, where the catchline is like this:

 "We want un-conditional un-conditional... we want love
  We want un-conditional un.conditional... we want hate"

Shouldn't be too difficult, I think.
First one to answer gets the protected title of 'Stereolab Fan of the Day
19.Apr.96' :-)

Thanks,
-kjetil

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:43:26 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: DCD Where are they playing in San Fran


>Hello
>
>this is my first time posting so if I posted wrong sorry.
>
>Where in San Francisco is DCD playing?  I called BASS tickets and they
>had no idea who they are or where they are playing?
>

My fax says in the Greek Theatre on 11th august. But it also says Greek
Theatre in Los Angeles on the 13th of august.
I don't know if there's a mistake, or that both city's have a Greek Theatre.

Cheers,

Huite

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:43:28 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: double dating Dead Can Dance


IIt seems to be twio concerts n a row. For Amsterdam that is.
The Toward the Within show was in a operahouse. Now the new concert
is in a much smaller theatre, so two shows are needed.

In Seattle they'll star at the Fifth Ave Theatre.

Good luck in finding a date.

Huite


>No!  I'm not talking about me getting a date with Lisa and someone else getting
>a date with Brendan.  (I don't date married women)  I'm wondering about the
>numerous cases where DCD are listed for two dates.  Are they actually
performing
>two nights in a row OR is the concert date not determined yet.  I hope they're
>playing two dates 'cuz i'm in one of these lucky cities (Seattle).
>
>
>um... so anyone in Seattle need a date for the double dating Dead Can Dance
>shows?  Maybe we could get Wrigley's to sponsor us!
>please direct all responses to me personally, cz@u.washington.edu, no need to
>clutter up the list ;)
>
>-cz
>
>particular venue and date tickets go on sale PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let us know.
>Thanks.
>
>

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 03:04:07 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: velour


tooth and nail have the fastest mail ordering i have ever seen. i got a cd
in just over a week and so has my girlfriend and we live in detroit, the
city where barry white rocks and jams...
can't wait for that tribute album.



On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, Heffalump wrote:

> > velour is super keen.
>
> Say.... I live near Seattle (isn't that where the label is based?), and I
> still can't find this disc anywhere.  Direct mail order would be an
> option, but it's absurd for me to wait "4 to 6 weeks" for a single
> CD, and I won't do it unless I have to.  I've asked Parasol, and they
> know nothing about it...
>
> >                         "spirit needs the spiritual" - hnia
>
> Eating that burrito tonight was spiritual.
>
> Mike
>


Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:49:57 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh!

              Apr 17, 96 09:22:48 am

 Steven Venn  wrote on Wed, 17 Apr 1996
 (Subject: Re: v23 - ugh!)
 >
 > How about that entrails-like stuff on In Ribbons by Pale Saints?
 > That always bugs me, but the album is great.
 >

If you lived oop north tha'd have to eat that, tha knows!  (It *is*
tripe, isn't it?).  I thought the "Trompe le Monde" cover was funny -
the idea of cows' eyeballs looking like aliens (or vice versa).  I don't
object to using body parts in art as such, but there's a difference
between something intelligent and witty and just taking a photo of a
load of rat embryos and sticking it on a black background.  (Or cutting
a cow in half, but that's another matter...)

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 19/04/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Lush - Lovelife

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 06:52:21 -0400
From: naranjas en la cabeza (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: v23 grossout cover art


>> it took me about a year to realize that the cover of In Ribbons is
>> actually a disected human torso. it looks more like candle wax.
>
>It is neither.  Pale Saints said in an interview that it was the
>entrails of a cow, or something like that.

Hmm. I was looking at it yesterday and thinking, "That's an awful lot of
flesh for one human being". But what's that dark thing on the right that
looks like a piece of charred wood then?

The best description I've heard of it is "a pile of ossified snot"...

The image on the CD itself is definitely entrails, though. Have a look at
some tripe the next time you're in a supermarket.


Larry


Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 06:34:52 -0500
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer! (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: absence of listiness

              from "Jack B Huynh" at Apr 15, 96 04:47:42 am

*tap*  *tap*  *tap*

     Is this thing on? I haven't gotten a thing from ze list in a week
... did we all get 'digested' for fun???



                                                From the flagstones


                                                    Kendaltje

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 20:36:46 EST
From: Network Manager (system@WI.MIT.EDU)
Subject: NDN:Something v23 Fishy


Your mail to the Microsoft Mail Server could not be fully
delivered!   Reasons listed below!   It has been deleted.

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 04:48:01 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Has anydone done an AMPS review?


There was hell of a lot of talk on the Lovelife LP - various reviews (good and
bad), which I found to be interesting / useful. I can't seem to recall too much
on the Tipp City LP. I may have been sleeping or something, but I do know it
went nowhere near into the depth of most recent releases. I have seen the LP a
few times (not on sale I might add) and have been tempted. However, Empty glasse

didn't do too much for me.

Anyone got an old review kicking around you could send me??

Tara
Chris

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:18:59 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Totonto StP tour: Mojave3 instore??


On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, photon boy wrote:

> It seems that mojave3 is doing instore appearances at before certain
> shows, so does anybody know if they are doing one before their Toronto
> date on May 4?

i dunno about toronto, but theyre gonna be in royal oak michigan on the
5th...

will i see anyone there?
dan k


Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:35:18 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Corporate Attack... again.


>
>Either you are stupid, really young or just a crazy fan. I wouldn't spend
>this kind of money on the CT. Their day has passed. The sun set and its
>time to bury the dead. Don't do it man. Keep your money for something
>better.
>
>

Then, i gotta be the 3 of them... Ok, Four Calendar... wasn=B4t what we all
expected but everyone has a bad day. I=B4ve listened to various excerpts=
 from
Milk & Kisses and it seems, clearly, that the dead are rasing from their
grave! And in what way! Besides, i haven=B4t found stuff that great in the
last 4 months so, i have some money to shop around. Anyway, I still don=B4t
agree with those 2 part singles... it=B4s a kick in the butt.

Pepe

(having just finished ordering the Limited Edition of Milk & Kisses...)

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'The Picture you see, is no portrait of me...'
                                     NewOrder
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:50:28 -0700
From: Jason Koma (jk268095@OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Name this Stereolab song


Kjetil Kristiansen wrote:
>
> I have this little recording of Stereolab, but there's one song
> that I don't find on any of the albums I have.
>
> It's kind of a slow song, where the catchline is like this:
>
>  "We want un-conditional un-conditional... we want love
>   We want un-conditional un.conditional... we want hate"
>
> Shouldn't be too difficult, I think.
> First one to answer gets the protected title of 'Stereolab Fan of the Day
> 19.Apr.96' :-)

        That is 'Ronco Symphony' on The Groop Played Space Age Batchelor
Pad Music.  One of the better tracks on an otherwise mediocre album.  So
do I win the title?  :-D

                                Chris M,  Huge Stereolab fan, who plans
to see them when they swing through Cincinatti.

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:01:40 -0400
From: Scott Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh!


>On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
>
>> > it took me about a year to realize that the cover of In Ribbons is
>> > actually a disected human torso. it looks more like candle wax.
>>
>> It is neither.  Pale Saints said in an interview that it was the
>> entrails of a cow, or something like that.
>
>The Pale Saints said in an interview that they had a contest with their
>fan club to title the album. The Pale Saints have probably said in
>interviews that the moon was made of rat embryos. Your point? :)
>
> einexile
> (still thinks it may just be a candle)

imho, i believe it looks most like a rock formation.  perhaps some kind of
calcite...?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
scott anderson                               big monster fish hook



                 humgiant@user1.channel1.com
                      sanderson@sbra.com
           http://www.channel1.com/users/humgiant
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:49:55 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 - ug


On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, einexile the meek wrote:

> > Its the lesson of feedback - its not WHAT it is on the objective
> > level, its HOW it is used in the art form.
>
> What you have just written here is as meaningless as the artwork you are
> defending. No more of this "my perception your perception" goofiness,
> please. I thought the whole point of 4AD in the first place was to make
> classy and beautiful art without sinking into the relativist quagmire of
> hippie pomo culture.

as usual e, your reactionary stance shows you havent thought critically
about what was said. My post had NOTHING to do with 'my perception your
perception goofiness'. It simply is to the point that WHAT you use to
make a piece of art is not as important as the peice of art itself. This
is a basic tenent of modernism, and not a 'relativist quagmire of hippie
pomo culture.' A beautiful photo of rat fetuses is STILL a beautiful
photo, and a photo that is evocative enough to make the veiwer vacilate
between an interpretation of something disturbing (such as cow entrails)
or something mundane (such as candle wax) I think is a very effective image.


...  wishing there was a way to filekill anything with false claims of
'meekness'


Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:41:02 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: v23

              -0500 <9604182015.AA21405@halcon.laguna.ual.mx>

Pepe wrote:

>Hmm, I never thought a shit could be 'art'.

Should have got yourself down the ICA (Institute of Contemporary Arts,
London), when was it, about twenty years ago.  Can't remember who it was
(wild guess - Metzger) but someone was basically bottling their shit as
exhibiting/selling it.

Art stinks!

Andrew Norman wrote:

>No, don't do it at all. Pretty pictures and interesting pictures are fun
>to look at and they are all different. Having a disgusting album cover
>was ONE idea, ONE person had it, and every ugly album cover since has
>been 100% stolen from the first, whatever it was.

I'm a bit unclear where this comment came from so I might be jumping to the
wrong conclusions.  Does this comment refer to the album covers of embryos
(foetuses?), intestines, eyes, etc.  If so, I think Andrew is wrong.  All
of these, or at least all the ones I have seen, have definitely had a
(unique) beauty to them, imho.  Very often I didn't have a clue about the
origins of the cover when I first saw it.  Some I'm not even sure about
now.

So, Andrew (or anyone else), is it the origin of the cover that makes it
"disgusting" or is it the cover itself?  If the former, don't you see any
beauty in the covers?

Simon Hughes

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:56:07 -0500
From: Sung Shim (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: Re: comments on Childcatcher versions


At 03:26 AM 4/19/96 -0400, you wrote:
>the Select childcatcher came out "free with select may 1994."  i'm
[..]
>what do you all think of it, this version?  i like it better than the
>lovelife one, i think i don't like the lovelife dropout too much.  lush
>got really into dropouts...
[..]
>so is the AVAM childcaatcher different?  anyone know?

     yes the AVAM childcatcher is the same as the one on the free Select
tape.  And yeah i like the AVAM/Select version a lot better.  It's got a lot
more energy to it.  Although the best track on that free Select tape by far
is the Dust Bros. remix of Saint Etienne's "Like a Motorway".  awww yeah.
those vocals really stick with that groove.

     speaking of Lush, I bought the new LP a few days ago.  I have to say
that I heard snippits of it at Tower, then bought it and didn't like it as
much as I thought I might.  and what is the deal with those trumpets and
horns?  i hate how they used those instruments.  some of the string
arrangements work nicely though.   I still look forward to going to the
chicago StP, if only for a chance to catch HNIA.  Any chicago list people
going?  let's say hello.

sung
---
 http://shoga.wwa.com/~foss/                  foss@wwa.com

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:00:57 +0100 retained.
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh! & Warp - ugh! Seefeel are crap, etc.


einexile the meek  writes:

> No, don't do it at all. Pretty pictures and interesting pictures are fun
> to look at and they are all different. Having a disgusting album cover
> was ONE idea, ONE person had it, and every ugly album cover since has
> been 100% stolen from the first, whatever it was.

So...having a beautiful album cover was ONE idea, ONE person had it,
and every beautiful album cover since has been 100% stolen from the
first, whatever it was.

And why can't disgusting album covers (I then take it that you mostly
refer to pictures) be *interesting*?

> Anyway, it's just really pitiful seeing these people try to play grown up
> and do the bad kid Andres Serrano thing. "my work is sacrilegious and
> it's in your face, what do you think of that? huh punk?" *YAWN*

If they are actually doing that, yes. Some things that are in your
face are actually quite good.

> > Or a "rap guy" holding up the band logo in a hothouse full of
> > cactuses...
>
> hahahaha...point well taken but I will take that stuff over anything v23
> was involved with last year, except Gentle Creatures and King which
> really were beautiful packages and didn't look like everything else.

Well, I have to agree that the packaging of Gentle Creatures and King
(the ltd. edition) was exeptionally good. Shame that my copy of Gentle
Creatures copulated with a rather leaky carton of orange juice. It's
rather disgusting now...but somewhat interesting nevertheless.

Cheers,
Jon


Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:11:57 -0400
From: liles melissa m (mmlile@FACSTAFF.WM.EDU)
Subject: Art discussion...


...not exactly 4AD content but is anyone familiar with Frederick
Sommer or Joel Peter Witkin?  The latter reminds me of 23 envelope
but he preceded them so...
    mml

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:08:26 -0400
From: liles melissa m (mmlile@FACSTAFF.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance


Thanks to everyone who responded to my DCD tour dates query...
I was wondering if anyone caught Lisa Gerrard on her tour and if so
how was it? was it only things from the Mirror Pool? lots of
musicians? was Brendan's brother there etc. ?
    mml

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:23:57 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh!


Andrew Norman wrote:
>If you lived oop north tha'd have to eat that, tha knows!  (It *is*
>tripe, isn't it?).

No -- tripe looks like a white terrycloth towel, only slightly =
glistening. I've only seen it once and found its appearance more than =
faintly nauseating. But I never was a "variety meats" kinda guy.

>I thought the "Trompe le Monde" cover was funny -
>the idea of cows' eyeballs looking like aliens (or vice versa).

Agreed -- and a nice reference back to "Debaser", which was itself a =
reference to Bu=F1uel & Dali's film "Un Chien d'Andalou" (an =
essential Surrealist document which we've all seen, right?)

__________          ___________________          =
________________________
Jens Alfke          OpenDoc Optimizator          jens@apple.com     =
[work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com =
[play]

to wound the autumnal city. So howled out to the world to give him a =
name.
                                            =
_____________________________
                                            =


Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:33:28 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance


On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, liles melissa m wrote:

> Thanks to everyone who responded to my DCD tour dates query...
> I was wondering if anyone caught Lisa Gerrard on her tour and if so
> how was it? was it only things from the Mirror Pool? lots of
> musicians? was Brendan's brother there etc. ?


        i was fortunate enough to see lisa gerrard in detroit
        last year. i thought that the performance was wonderful,
        and that the songs from 'the mirror pool' were much more
        lively when presented with full band.

        speaking of the band, her backup musicians were everyone
        who was in the 'toward the within' film except the bald
        keyboard guy.  ronan o'something was quite impressive
        on drums.  They played 'sanvean', which may or may not be
        a 'dead can dance' song, but other than that it was all
        new or off from mirror pool. one song in particular that
        was not on mirror pool i enjoyed more than any of the other
        songs performed. it featured voodoo-like drumming and
        lots of handclaps and percussion (cymbals, tambourine etc...).
        I loved the show: but there was an empty space
        perceptable in the sound and onstage where brendan's contribution
        would have been.  i cant wait to see 'em all together as DCD.
        I hope v23 is comissioned to do the album art, and that there
        is a shitpile of merchandising available (all they had at lisa g.
        was a tour programme and a poster).

        rabidly awaiting this july,
        dan k.

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:09:26 -0400
From: Cheryl Cadotte (ccadotte@UOGUELPH.CA)
Subject: Re: Totonto StP tour: Mojave3 instore??

>

On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, daniel klyn wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, photon boy wrote:
>
> > It seems that mojave3 is doing instore appearances at before certain
> > shows, so does anybody know if they are doing one before their Toronto
> > date on May 4?
>
> i dunno about toronto, but theyre gonna be in royal oak michigan on the
> 5th...
>
> will i see anyone there?
> dan k
>
 i hope to be there, that is if i know where where is. if any listies in the
MI area know please enlighten me..
cheryl


Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:44:27 -0400
From: rgivens@USA.PIPELINE.COM
Subject: Animals for sale


Hello

Have you ever wanted to own a Kinkajous or a Bingturong? How about just somethin
 your buddy doesn't have. Our advertisers offer everything from Tarantulas to Pr
irie Dogs directly from the breeder. Come take a look at http://www.animals-for-
ale-ww.com
Ads are just $20.00 a month and include 2 color pictures no set up fee no long t
rm commitment ads are sold one month at a time.

Thanks,
Rene
P.S.   We apologize for the unsolicited mail. This is a one time mailing
we will not e-mail you again.


Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:38:10 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance

                 On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, liles melissa m wrote:
>
>   > Thanks to everyone who responded to my DCD tour dates
>   query...
>   > I was wondering if anyone caught Lisa Gerrard on her
>   tour and if so
>   > how was it? was it only things from the Mirror Pool?
>   lots of
>   > musicians? was Brendan's brother there etc. ?
>
>
>           i was fortunate enough to see lisa gerrard in
>   detroit         last year. i thought that the
>   performance was wonderful,         and that the songs
>   from 'the mirror pool' were much more         lively
>   when presented with full band.

Like the album, it started of really **slow** and not too engaging. I thought
"Am i in for a seemingly endless sleep inducing concert?"  Then somehow it
transformed imperceptibly into an AMAZING concert.  It was brilliant and
thoroughly enjoyable throughout the rest of the time.

tha'z my take on the Mirror Pool concert.

-cz


Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:22:01 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Animals for sale

              Apr 1996 14:44:27 -0400

>   Have you ever wanted to own a Kinkajous or a Bingturong?
>   How about just something your buddy doesn't have. Our
>   advertisers offer everything from Tarantulas to Prairie
>   Dogs directly from the breeder. Come take a look at
>   http://www.animals-for-sale-ww.com Ads are just $20.00 a
>   month and include 2 color pictures no set up fee no long
>   term commitment ads are sold one month at a time.

Hmmm.  Is this related to the v23 discussion?  For all those budding graphics
design listies.  Hmmm, i wonder what a kinkajous' entrails look like.  I don't
even know what a kinkajous is.

Is this a joke or she we start sending you personal hate mail/false orders from
anonymous servers/all of our cookie recipes/and lots of concerned mail about
this insidious "good times" virus?  :)

new Cocteau Twins album, Milk and Kisses.

-cz

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:12:07 -0500
From: "Me :)" (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: More childcatcher, i guess


>   yes the AVAM childcatcher is the same as the one on the free Select
>tape.  And yeah i like the AVAM/Select version a lot better.  It's got a lot
>more energy to it.  Although the best track on that free Select tape by far
>is the Dust Bros. remix of Saint Etienne's "Like a Motorway".  awww yeah.
>those vocals really stick with that groove.
>
>     speaking of Lush, I bought the new LP a few days ago.  I have to say
>that I heard snippits of it at Tower, then bought it and didn't like it as
>much as I thought I might.  and what is the deal with those trumpets and
>horns?  i hate how they used those instruments.  some of the string
>arrangements work nicely though.   I still look forward to going to the
>chicago StP, if only for a chance to catch HNIA.  Any chicago list people
>going?  let's say hello.
>
>sung
>---
> http://shoga.wwa.com/~foss/                  foss@wwa.com


I also like the AVAM tune, tho i aint too sure if i like it any more than i
do this version.  The earlier one does sound more raw, which is good, but it
is missing that "latin" part of the song, u know which i mean?  That is one
of my favorite parts.

  BTW, i am going to StP, may 9 in chicago, but i wish they had booked for
Double DOor!  That woulda been better.  I wont mention what i have to say
about HNIA, :-x
  Ernesto
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

 \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_

















































-

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:06:14 -0500
From: charles darkwave (charles@PROJEKT.COM)
Subject: Projekt Festival


Hi...I hope you don't mind if I pass on some information to the 4AD list,
as I know a great many of the readers are also interested in the Projekt
label.  I don't want to waste your bandwith or have this mistaken as a
commercial message, but I've been getting so many personal e-mails about it
that I thought it would help inform those who care.

Some of you may already know about the upcoming Projekt Festival, June 25th
and 26th at the Vic Theater in Chicago.  People from all around the country
have already made plans on coming, and we hope this grows into an
all-inclusive event, with fans venturing out to see Projekt bands that
might otherwise never play their home town.

The line-up for "From Across This Gray Land" will be as follows: NIGHT #1
Lycia, Thanatos, lovesliescrushing & Love Spirals Downwards. NIGHT #2
Attrition, Soul Whirling Somewhere, Sean Bowley (of Eden), Arcanta & black
tape for a blue girl. Steve Roach will open both nights with a performance
of darkAmbient music beginning at 7pm.  Following the two night festival
will be the first ever appearance by Lycia's side band, Bleak, at Neo.

Tickets are on sale at the Vic box office, through Ticket Master (in the
Chicago area) and from 1-800-CD-LASER. Cost is $30 for both nights.  There
will be an additional $5 service charge per ticket order when you buy
directly from Projekt (we ship via UPS so you will be assured of receiving
your tickets). The show is 17 and over, the theatre is air conditioned, and
has a really great sound system. Seats are general admission.

For more info call 312-491-0108 or visit our website, http://www.projekt.com.

For credit card purchases call 1-800-CD-LASER or write: Projekt. Box
166155. Chicago, Il. 60616.  When you order directly from Projekt, you will
also recieve an information sheet about where to stay, airline deals,
getting around, etc.

Thanks for your interest,

Charles
Projekt/Darkwave


Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:03:59 -0700
From: Brett Boyd (BOYDB@CSMC.EDU)
Subject: Cow Heart Fools


The art work for "In Ribbons,"
" to the best of my recollection, is a photograph
of the upper-half of a desicated cow heart.
Look for the arteries going off the top of the page...and then you can
visualize it.

This "half of a cow" nonesense has to be disspelled--how can you photograph
half a cow cut apart and see anything as intelligible as a melted-down candle?

Interestingly enough, not only has this art inspired so much talk, but this
art creates beauty by manipulating forms within the subject (cow heart) which
people find repugnant, morbid or "gross."
I have to chuckle to myself that people are "grossed-out" about something
they probably had to be informed about--independent of their own initial
impressions.  I think that the heart of the matter is the gross anatomy
of a lot of childish ignorance and the fear of being mortal.

So you "ugh-ers" make me squeamish!

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 18:50:50 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: silvania


    Hi! I'm new on this list, and this an extract that i put to
avalyn, and i believe this would be interesting for some people here,
isn't it?

>> Anyway, with all the texture on slowdive songs, there is probably
>> no way you  (or anyone) can recreate the exact sound live.


    Have you heard Silvania?

    They do those guitar sounds on their first phase and inclusive
give it sometimes fast movement to all that sound, it was simply
beautiful.The influences i see on their early phase -miel nube hiel
ep (1992) and en cielo de oceano lp (1993)- is  slowdive/cocteau
/spacemen3. Really great!!
    Now they're in ambient! -Paisaje III lp (1995)-. Remember 5ep?
Like that but with a lot of more beautiful ambiences, it's all so
worked it has lots of nice details, imagine they put on it some nice
guitar ala Durutti Column!! And the more incredible is that they can
give to ambient the same feelings of sadness, melancholy, beauty and
sweet pornography they gave to the shoegazing!
    Oh, you really must hear all this!!!

    Take care.

            Wilder Spaceman.

Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 00:38:10 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Animals for sale/v23


>Have you ever wanted to own a Kinkajous or a Bingturong? How about just
>something your buddy doesn't have. Our advertisers offer everything from
>Tarantulas to Prairie Dogs directly from the breeder. Come take a look at

There GOD has invented some new animals! Like Miniature Horses or Munchkin
Cats (those us cats with short legs so they can't jump - I hate the people
who 'made' them!).

Could be some new material for future v23 sleeve designs... (dead or alive)

I did buy a Mad Cow at this site, they're very cheap and easy to keep...


Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, April 20, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl




Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:15:00 PDT
From: "Heileson, Thomas" (heilts1@MPE11.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Help


I need to get the current subscribing instructions for the 4AD and Dreampop
lists. (and / or the 4AD-L FAQ url with which to find the info)

Any help greatly appreciated. Please reply to this address or send to:

heileson@gladstone.uoregon.edu

Thanks.


Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:31:54 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: volume series. is it difficult to...


concerning the volume series, that most times has more than a lion's share of
thislisty contributions, I am wondering how rare the early installments are
to find.

this past weekend I saw not one, but two copies of vol. 1 and a copy of vol.
4.
Is this a find?

e-mail me if you can assist.

thanks.

jason

srilank@aol.com


Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:38:11 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Totonto StP tour: Mojave3 instore??


>> It seems that mojave3 is doing instore appearances at before certain
>> shows, so does anybody know if they are doing one before their Toronto
>> date on May 4?
>
>i dunno about toronto, but theyre gonna be in royal oak michigan on the
>5th...
>
>will i see anyone there?
>dan k
>
>

you betcha dan~~~

blubelknol@aol.com

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 18:25:01 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Even more childcatcher and Armpits!


>
>I also like the AVAM tune, tho i aint too sure if i like it any more
than i
>do this version.  The earlier one does sound more raw, which is good,
but it
>is missing that "latin" part of the song, u know which i mean?  That
is one
>of my favorite parts.

If anyone is interested Lush took Childcatcher from a Blonde song
called "Sunday Girl". They sound exactly the same. How do I know this?
Miki admited to it on the "Black Session" boot. Another interesting
fact from Brian.

Stupid Question: Is Miki's armpit hair Bright red too?
(Sorry, I had to ask!)

                               Brian, whoo ha! I got u all in check!

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 18:28:10 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: paving over some graves


>Add all of the above to an over-crowded, over-heated room,
>and I'm starting to think I'll stick with bands nobody's
>heard of so I can at least be comfortable when I see them.


Anyone feel that they were cheated when Lush put out Lovelife? Everyone
seems to like them now. I think I deserve credit for liking them before
they were famous. Their next albums liner notes should read:

We'd like to thank our friends and family but most of all Brian who
liked us before we were famous. We love you Brian!

                                    Brian


Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 02:12:41 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: going home


On Thu, 18 Apr 1996 22:35:48 PDT, naor wrote:

>does anybody know when is 4ad finally going
>to release the first, last, and only
>record by "going home".

Don't hold your breath. I did, and now I'm dead.

Paul,
ghost on the iway.

PS
Unless you count Mojave 3...

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:54:18 -0500
From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: Repetition [Re: The Aphex Twin]


gavin bryars' "jesus'blood never failed me yet" is another example of
classical-ish music changing very slowly as it repeats.  this piece goes on for
over 70 min.  still yet, how can you pass up something with tom waits' name on
it? -- shane

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:42:54 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: volume series. is it difficult to...


no, not really.

On Fri, 19 Apr 1996 Srilank@AOL.COM wrote:

> concerning the volume series, that most times has more than a lion's share of
> thislisty contributions, I am wondering how rare the early installments are
> to find.
>
> this past weekend I saw not one, but two copies of vol. 1 and a copy of vol.
> 4.
> Is this a find?
>
> e-mail me if you can assist.
>
> thanks.
>
> jason
>
> srilank@aol.com
>

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:40:49 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Totonto StP tour: Mojave3 instore??


MOJAVE THREE WILL APPEAR AT REPEAT THE BEAT IN ROYAL OAK, MICHIGAN AT
for directions reply to me privately...
*******************************************
star vein

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:04:19 -0500
From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: the free tape...an hnia observation, of sorts...


hi.

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:29:17 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Totonto StP tour: Mojave3 instore??

>

On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, daniel klyn wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, photon boy wrote:
>
> > It seems that mojave3 is doing instore appearances at before certain
> > shows, so does anybody know if they are doing one before their Toronto
> > date on May 4?
>
> i dunno about toronto, but theyre gonna be in royal oak michigan on the
> 5th...
>
> will i see anyone there?
> dan k
>


you'll see me there.

ALSO I POSTED THAT MOJAVE THREE WAS TO PERFORM AT 5:00pm.
THAT IS WRONG INFO!!!!!!!!
THEY WILL BE THERE AT 3:30pm.
SORRY
*****************************************************************
star vein
*****************************************************************

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:38:28 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Art discussion...


> is anyone familiar with Frederick
> Sommer or Joel Peter Witkin?  The latter reminds me of 23 envelope
> but he preceded them so...
>     mml
>

JOEL PETER WITKIN is a great artist. i mean was a great artist. the
volumptousness and darkness and the intricacey is amazing. have you ever
seen a brothers quay film? they also did video animation for two his name
is alive songs. they're films are very witkinean. i suggest any fans of
4AD, which all of you should be, and fans of v23, again which all of you
should be, to see a brothers quay film. i copied a nice review from
the village voice about them on my web site. pretty soon i hope to have
the most info on the brothers quay on the net. that's not hard to do,
figuring that noone has written anything about these geniuses.

star vein

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:05:34 -0500
From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: the free tape...an hnia observation, of sorts...


i mean, king server was down or i would have said it earlier.  hi, that is.

Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 02:51:09 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: The Aphex Twin


On Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:03:23 -0700, Alex wrote:

>Karl V. Hallgrimsson wrote:
>>
>> What do you expect? In my humble opinion all techno music is repititive.
>> I think it is due to all of the loops.
>
>Hmmm.  Jazz and classical are in part based on variations on themes, i.e.
> loops.

Wowza! I think you're overstepping there. A loop is a literal
repetition, and John Coltrane is about the only jazz musician to get
away with literal repetitions. I find it incantory and love it, but
it's not the Coltrane who influenced later saxophonists.

Minimalist classical music is based on ostinatos (compositional
loops), but they're not the same things as theme-and-variations, and
lots of classical musics lunatics find them as boring as pop kids do
ambient. Not me, I love 'em.

Paul,
who once wrote a eight-word, thirty-page poem.