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Subject: pale saints lyrics
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:29:17 -0700
From: heath byers (wbyers@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: first (and last) auction update
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:15:01 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Mass/Slowdive/Soil Samples Questions
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:13:02 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: NYC Stereolab Date!
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 02:54:34 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 03:11:09 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: STP helL.A./v23
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:43:08 +0000
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh! & Warp - ugh! Seefeel are crap, etc.
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:09:40 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Mass/Slowdive/Soil Samples Questions
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:38:17 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: gripe about the people at 4AD US
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 07:34:23 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: gripe about the people at 4AD US
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 01:08:53 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: the free tape...an hnia observation, of sorts...
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 02:15:21 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: STP helL.A./v23
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:43:08 +0000
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance in Michigan
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 07:44:13 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh!
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:54:46 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: velour
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 01:55:39 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 07:20:24 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Childcatcher - original version
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:56:20 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Childcatcher - original version
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:56:07 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: misery loves (the record) company
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 07:11:52 -0500
From: deluxx (chbscout@cris.com)
Subject: Re: Childcatcher - original version
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:04:03 -0500
From: "Luis B. Abcede" (st5sd@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Aphex Twin
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:03:23 -0700
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: loopy
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:50:13 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Childcatcher - original version
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:23:51 -0400
From: Rastko Kovacevic (rkovacev@ABACUS.BATES.EDU)
Subject: Re: quik song id please
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:19:00 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: DEAD CAN DACE tracklisting and albuminfo
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:35:08 CET
From: Adam Olszewski (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.BITNET)
Subject: DEAD CAN DACE tracklisting and albuminfo
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 17:49:03 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Childcatcher
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:29:50 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: esp summer
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:34:05 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: pale saints lyrics
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:32:31 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Dead Can Dance 1996 World tour
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 17:49:05 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance in Michigan
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:52:02 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: misery loves (the record) company
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 13:04:53 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Childcatcher - original version
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 13:04:50 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Aphex Twin [was: v23 - ugh! & Warp - ugh! Seefeel are crap,
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:41:45 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: misery loves (the record) company
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:50:48 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Looking for Japanese Lush for trade
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:19:25 -0700
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: loopy
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:27:10 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: paving over some graves
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:49:57 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: DEAD CAN DACE tracklisting and albuminfo
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:58:34 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: 4AD vs Time-Warner
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:09:30 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: velour
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 13:08:21 -0500
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: 1996 UK Catalogue (to date)?
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:51:59 -0400
From: Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group
Subject: v23 and organ meats
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:31:25 -0400
From: IVSONGS@AOL.COM
Subject: double dating Dead Can Dance
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:19:31 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: sale items-vinyl/CD
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:48:13 -0400
From: "it's that suit" (fhw2n@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: going home
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 22:35:48 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance in Michigan
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 13:27:53 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: STP helL.A./v23
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 15:15:28 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Aphex Twin [was: v23 - ugh! & Warp - ugh! Seefeel are crap,
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:56:43 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 - ug
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:26:10 -0400
From: captain dave (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: velour
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:39:06 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: DCD Where are they playing in San Fran
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:40:57 -0700
From: joe luna (joealuna@MAIL2.QUIKNET.COM)
Subject: Re: gripe about the people at 4AD US
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:27:38 -0400
From: Heather Elizabeth Phares (hepcat@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: loopy
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:54:57 -0400
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: Corporate Attack... again.
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:34:56 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: gripe about the people at 4AD US
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:45:22 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh! & Warp - ugh! Seefeel are crap, etc.
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:26:58 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: how do i subscribe?
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:53:36 -0400
From: Jamie Blackman (jb593@BARD.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh!
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:15:28 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Something v23 Fishy
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:06:00 PDT
From: "Heileson, Thomas" (heilts1@MPE11.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Re: double dating Dead Can Dance
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 20:57:21 -0400
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:29:17 -0700
From: heath byers (wbyers@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: pale saints lyrics


greetings. i am on a quest for pale saints lyric.
esp. the comforts of madness. esp a deep sleep/a deeper sleep...
it matters not. anyone know anything!? thanks in advance.

anyone have the new long fin killie single?
the toopure site hasnt been updated in quite awhile-
any word on the upcoming laika/killie tours?

heath
wbyers@falstaff.ucs.indiana.edu


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:15:01 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: first (and last) auction update


I'll bid $6 for Heidi Berry's self titled album.

Thanks,
Jake

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:13:02 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Mass/Slowdive/Soil Samples Questions


I recently picked up the Mass single "You and I".  I was wondering if either
of these is on the album "Labour of Love", since I don't have a copy yet (of
course, if anyone has an extra copy I would be more than willing to purchase
it).

Secondly, what is the availability of Slowdives self-titled ep?  I haven't
seen it around, so I was wondering if it's pretty hard to get.

Finally, I got a Soil Samples 7" with Unrest on one side and Heidi Berry on
the other (can't remember the songs off the top of my head).  On the label
it said that both of these were previously unreleased.  If anyone else has
seen this, do you know if either of these were released later on albums or
singles?

Thanks,
Jake


Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 02:54:34 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: NYC Stereolab Date!


i am listening to ray davies



go sea velocity grrrl,
they rock. if you like
fuzz pop with great female
vocals than please go mister



i like the new scheer album.
i like the cover of the album
i also like the liner notes
the infliction is infecting.
i like the song howling boy.




now i am listening to phil krauth.




now i'm going to
bedddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
**********************************************************************
**********************************************************************
star vein*************************************************************
**********************************************************************
****************************************"spirit needs the spiritual"**
**********************************************************************
**********************************************************************

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 03:11:09 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance


On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Steven Holmes wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Jose A. Garcia Camil wrote:
>
> > JULY
> >
> >       21st Toronto, 22nd Ann Arbor, Michigan, 24/25th Chicago, 26th
> > Minneapolis, 30th Santa Fe
>
> hello michigan...any idea where this will take place....and when
> tickets will go on sale?
> steve
>


ticketmaster had no idea what i was talking about when i called.

********************i just hope hnia will open***************************
**************************************************************************
star vein


                                "spirit needs the spiritual"

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:43:08 +0000
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: STP helL.A./v23


STP los angeles/abbreviated:
Now I can see why Ivo (who was there, btw) signed Scheer after seeing them
opened with that song, it sounded 10x better!

Mojave 3 were pretty darn good too, with a great rendition of "Queen Jane".
Poor Rachel was bombarded with Slowdive requests...

Nice thing about Lush is that despite all their "different" sounds on each of th
ir
albums, when they perform those songs live they actually all sound like they
were performed by the same band with the same sound (which is the way it
should be, I guess). Though I didn't care for the heavy accent version of
Sweetness and Light (my favorite Lush song). But don't get me wrong, I like the
British accent.

On v23:
Vaughan Oliver is so great, he can take a shit, have it photographed, and use it
in
graphic design and make it look brilliant! So there.


Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:09:40 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh! & Warp - ugh! Seefeel are crap, etc.


On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Andrew Norman wrote:
>  einexile the meek  wrote on Wed, 17 Apr 1996

> I liked the silver worms screwing, but if you
> are going to go for a shocking/disgusting cover, at least do it
> properly.

No, don't do it at all. Pretty pictures and interesting pictures are fun
to look at and they are all different. Having a disgusting album cover
was ONE idea, ONE person had it, and every ugly album cover since has
been 100% stolen from the first, whatever it was.

Anyway, it's just really pitiful seeing these people try to play grown up
and do the bad kid Andres Serrano thing. "my work is sacrilegious and
it's in your face, what do you think of that? huh punk?" *YAWN*

> Or a "rap guy" holding up the band logo in a hothouse full of
> cactuses...

hahahaha...point well taken but I will take that stuff over anything v23
was involved with last year, except Gentle Creatures and King which
really were beautiful packages and didn't look like everything else.

> The other three are apparently going to release a couple of EPs on
> their old label Too Pure, as Scala, and there will be a CD compiling
> the EPs later on.  Seefeel are supposedly still a going concern, they
> are just taking a bit of a break (have we heard that sort of thing
> before?).

Yeah, they're taking a break from their main creative source, from their
band name, from their recod label, and from their apparently unacceptable
working situation. That can't last.

> "Program 1.0" or something similar, but LFS is the name most people have
> adopted - it's a compilation of two EPs called "Here" and "LFS") was
> that it was good, but not innovative - exactly what e is complaining
> about.

More specifically, if you're going to be an unoriginal bore, at least be
properly *conventional* instead of borrowing your whole scene from one
other artist. Look at the last Speedy J record. Not a whole lot to offer
in terms of new sounds but still manages to be completely brilliant, and
its genuineness causes it to sound like little else even if there's
nothing brand new that you can put your finger on specifically and say
"look there, Speedy J invented that bit."

> That's the main problem with James, Paradinas, Vibert and their mates -
> there's an obsession with creating new sounds,

I don't mind this, but James is interested in making new *types* of
sounds and I believe he really loves just making this noise. Paradinas is
however just trying to be cool. I don't know who Vibert is.

> and the question of
> whether the composition using them is interesting doesn't always occur
> to them - much of "I care..." is carefully crafted, but some of it (and
> most of the "Donkey Rhubarb" EP) is just monotonous banging away.

I have to totally disagree with this. I think the albums main strength
and the observable change in James is that he is doing some serious and
deep songwriting. I don't want to argue about this but I'd like to know
what songs you are talking about. Agreed however on Donkey Rhubarb, which
is complete shit.

> And I have still to hear a mu-ziq track which makes me
> think he's the genius others claim - plenty of "raw haddock being banged
> against a bucket" sounds, but nothing lasts past the first few seconds.

mu-ziq puts together a few nice tracks now and then, but always
sandwiched between obnoxious drek. Jake Slazenger is not like this,
however. There is is doing something real and cool and the songs are not
just piecemeal nos to some genre.

>  > Another Warp artist bites the dust.  What the hell is going on??
>
> Don't, whatever you do, buy RAC's "Structures".

I wasn't considering it. :) After all, I have their last ep...thanks for
the warning, though. Seriously.

> Like some
> of the tracks of "Artificial Intelligence II" that you can never
> remember how they sound even after listening to them several times.

I think the reason for this is that so much of that comp is so damned
good. I have recently become a pretty big fan of those songs you're
talking about, though I admit it took me a very long time.


e


Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:38:17 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Mass/Slowdive/Soil Samples Questions


>I recently picked up the Mass single "You and I".  I was wondering if either
>of these is on the album "Labour of Love", since I don't have a copy yet

No, neither of them.


>Secondly, what is the availability of Slowdives self-titled ep?  I haven't
>seen it around, so I was wondering if it's pretty hard to get.

According to an early 1996 Creation catalogue I got here, both the 12" and
the CDsingle are still in print.


>Finally, I got a Soil Samples 7" with Unrest on one side and Heidi Berry on
>the other (can't remember the songs off the top of my head).  On the label
>it said that both of these were previously unreleased.  If anyone else has
>seen this, do you know if either of these were released later on albums or
>singles?

Unrest's 'Folklore' (the 6th track in their series of Factory Records cover
version. The original is by James) appears, slightly re-mixed, on the Unrest
'B.P.M.' compilation LP/CD (TEENBEAT 175).
Heidi Berry's 'Unholy Light' can be found on 'The Moon And The Sun' 12"/CD
(BAD 3010).

Voila!
Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 07:34:23 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: gripe about the people at 4AD US


 You seem to have a very legitimate bone to pick with 4AD. I suppose
 the only argument they could make in reply would be that participation
 in soundscan and various other tracking schemes ensures that their talent
 gets the exposure due to them, and that it remains possible to allow
 complete artistic freedom to their artists while still doing everything
 possible to make money from the records.  It still sucks though...

 dan k.

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 01:08:53 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: gripe about the people at 4AD US


  the people at 4ad-US do not care about anyone, 'cept for the
  shmucks at Aron's and anyone who kisses major hardcore ass.
  i think the entire US office is a piece of dirt filled, with the
  most part, ruthless "screw-you-ya-damn-lowly-fan" types.

  i liked scheer tonight. mojave almost made me cry. lush were
  loud and emma needs a happy pill. miki is very tiny and cute and
  superthin {i'd call her a tweeker, but she doesn't have the
  obvious cheekbone sucked-up look to back that possibility up},
  kinda a ham, but that's her job i guess....
  i want her 12-string epiphone. it's a lovely geetarrrrrr.....

  nobody ever says hi to me,
  k

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 02:15:21 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: the free tape...an hnia observation, of sorts...


  the record's gonna be weird if 'esp summer', the song, is
  any indication. writing credit is defever/masters, and it's
  purrty and all...but a li'l strange. as i told e, the guitar
  makes me think of percolator coffee ads..but i think the
  ringing in my ears just makes it all sound more f'ed up than
  what it really is, so i'll have to judge this when my hearing
  has been restored. intentional skip sounnds. an organ?
  something else. hmm. eclectic. i'm too jazzed...i need the
  new record now. or whatever is coming out soon. i do hope
  something is released on may 13th, as it's my birthday....

  the lisa germano song is nice. a bit happy, musically. actually
  makes you want to smile. when's her record due out?

  by the way, thinking back on tonight's StP show, since when did
  the host of 120 minutes start playing bass for scheer?.... :)


  small heads,
  k

  ...not one single person said hi tonight. BAH HUMBUG!...

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:43:08 +0000
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: STP helL.A./v23


STP los angeles/abbreviated:
Now I can see why Ivo (who was there, btw) signed Scheer after seeing them
opened with that song, it sounded 10x better!

Mojave 3 were pretty darn good too, with a great rendition of "Queen Jane".
Poor Rachel was bombarded with Slowdive requests...

Nice thing about Lush is that despite all their "different" sounds on each of th
ir
albums, when they perform those songs live they actually all sound like they
were performed by the same band with the same sound (which is the way it
should be, I guess). Though I didn't care for the heavy accent version of
Sweetness and Light (my favorite Lush song). But don't get me wrong, I like the
British accent.

On v23:
Vaughan Oliver is so great, he can take a shit, have it photographed, and use it
in
graphic design and make it look brilliant! So there.


Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 07:44:13 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance in Michigan


I imagine that they will play at the Michigan Theater, where the Toward
The Within movie played and also where cocteau twins played on the HOLV tour.
Other possibility would be Hill Auditorium, which has _nutty_ acoustics
(that means really really good). Incidentally, I'm gonna see Van Cliburn
there (Hill) in may...

I live in ann arbor, and am working with the few and pawltry connections
i have in this town to get secret info as to the date tix go on sale, and
exactly where it will be held.  when i have any of this info, i will
immediately post it to 4AD-L.

biting my nails till the 22nd of july,
dan k.


Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:54:46 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh!


Selwyn Oh  writes:

> it took me about a year to realize that the cover of In Ribbons is
> actually a disected human torso. it looks more like candle wax.

It is neither.  Pale Saints said in an interview that it was the
entrails of a cow, or something like that.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 01:55:39 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: velour


> velour is super keen.

Say.... I live near Seattle (isn't that where the label is based?), and I
still can't find this disc anywhere.  Direct mail order would be an
option, but it's absurd for me to wait "4 to 6 weeks" for a single
CD, and I won't do it unless I have to.  I've asked Parasol, and they
know nothing about it...

>                         "spirit needs the spiritual" - hnia

Eating that burrito tonight was spiritual.

Mike

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 07:20:24 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA


On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, [spiral] wrote:

> waren said ( i know that automatically discredits anything that follows)
> last year that they will be doing 2 more albums... that was before
> stars on ESP.. so from what i gathered, it sounds like you can expect
> one more album after SoESP... to fill the "deal" i guess.


  funny, cuz i also heard something about a multi-record deal for hnia/warren
  on 4AD, and i was under the impression that 4AD only did single record
  deals...  anyone know if hnia gets special treatment, or are we (I) way
  off?

  dan k.

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:56:20 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Childcatcher - original version


I don't know why I didn't post this query before, but here goes,
anyway...

I'm (almost - say about 70%) sure that Lush's "Childcatcher" was
released (or was INTENDED to be released) in a form before
"Lovelife".  I actually WAS told about this, but unfortunately I was
drunk at the time, and don't  remember...

It might have been on a track on a compliation EP (four or five bands -
possibly all with female vocals)

The release also might have been tied in with the secret gig Lush did
at the Dublin Castle, London on 19th December 1994 with Solar Race
and a couple of other bands.

Anyone else any idea about this?  Or am I talking out of my arse?


Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:56:07 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Childcatcher - original version


>I don't know why I didn't post this query before, but here goes,
>anyway...
>
>I'm (almost - say about 70%) sure that Lush's "Childcatcher" was
>released (or was INTENDED to be released) in a form before
>"Lovelife".  I actually WAS told about this, but unfortunately I was
>drunk at the time, and don't  remember...
>
>It might have been on a track on a compliation EP (four or five bands -
>possibly all with female vocals)
>
>The release also might have been tied in with the secret gig Lush did
>at the Dublin Castle, London on 19th December 1994 with Solar Race
>and a couple of other bands.
>
>Anyone else any idea about this?  Or am I talking out of my arse?
>

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 07:11:52 -0500
From: deluxx (chbscout@cris.com)
Subject: misery loves (the record) company


Okay, here's my gripe,

I am thoroughly depressed by the amount of depressing crap that 4AD has
put out. (isn't it ironic?  it's like raaa-eee-yaaain...*thwap*)  Yes, I
realize 4AD was born during, and helped develop, the "goth" period, and
I also realize that the whole "alternative" genre is basically just
gloom-and-doom crap.  That doesn't mean I have to listen to that aural
sludge.  I've gone through my 4AD disc and weeded out the ones that I
consider to be somewhat "upbeat" releases.

Belly "Star"
Unrest "Perfect Teeth"
Frank Black "Teenager of the Year"
UVS "Joy 1967-1990" (but only if you ignore the lyrics)

Hmm, I see a problem here.  Where's all the "happy" music??!!  Ivo needs
to grow the fuck up and stop being so fashionably depressed.  There's
more pure joy in the song "Make-Out Club" that in all the 1996 4AD
releases.  Lush is too angry, scheer is schit, mojave is too murky.
They should rename it the "Slashing the Wrist Veins" tour.  I used to be
such a 4AD junkie.  Now I wonder if I'll ever buy a 4AD product again.



--deluxx

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:04:03 -0500
From: "Luis B. Abcede" (st5sd@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Childcatcher - original version


At 08:56 AM 4/18/96 +0100, you wrote:
>I'm (almost - say about 70%) sure that Lush's "Childcatcher" was
>released (or was INTENDED to be released) in a form before
>"Lovelife".  I actually WAS told about this, but unfortunately I was
>drunk at the time, and don't  remember...
>

I'm fairly certain the original version of the Childcatcher appears on an
old Select tape compilation ... As for the date of the issue ... I can't
remember.  Sorry ... hope that helps


Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:03:23 -0700
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Aphex Twin


Karl V. Hallgrimsson wrote:
>
> What do you expect? In my humble opinion all techno music is repititive.
> I think it is due to all of the loops.

Hmmm.  Jazz and classical are in part based on variations on themes, i.e.
 loops.

I do agree that there is a LOT of electronic music out there that should
be chucked into the out bin and burned, but there are some bright starts
out there!

Alex

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:50:13 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: loopy


On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, the boy in zinc wrote:

> >What do you expect? In my humble opinion all techno music is repititive.
> >I think it is due to all of the loops.
>
> i don't know if this is some kind of joke, or if it's serious, but not all
> techno uses loops my friend (aphex twin doesn't even use that many from what
> i've heard).

Techno, if you include ambient in the equation, is actually considerably
less loopy than pop music in general. I never understood why people
single out electronic records for this,when almost ever radio record that
comes out is full of repeating parts, including quite often repeating
verses. By contrast, almost every substantial techno artist will change
his loops over the duration of a song, either fucking them up, replacing
them with new ones, or adding new stuff. The criticism that techno is
repetitive really comes from a simple minded observation that a lot of
techno only has one easily recognizeable repeating "part" as opposed to
three or four. Three or four is still repetitive if you don't do anything
with them through the duration of a song (unless of course the song is
extremely short). Any song however that repeats four (or three or five,
whatever) meamsures verbatim is badly produced, and there is a hell of a
lot more of that going on in pop than in techno and especially in
ambient.

e

> have you ever heard fsol or global communication?  both are
> excellent, non-loopy bands that make a great intro to the "world" of techno
> music.

No, both are all looped out. FSOL go freeform a lot recently, but GC are
very loopy, just highly and cleverly structured.

Incedentally, the most looped record I've ever come across is the Modula
Green album, which is also one of the most intricate and varied.

> i just wanted to say that it's a bit silly to hear a bit of
> techno and dismiss the entire genre as repetitive.  on the other hand, some
> people just don't "get" it (this is not intended as a flame).

It's a flame to anyone who thinks they get it and cares. I doubt a whole
lot of us completely get it. You're only just starting to get it when you
get a sense for how much you do NOT get. Music can be an extremely
complex artform and there are people involved in it who are far more
perceptive musically and far more professional than most if not all on
this list might imagine possible or useful. Sort of like when I hear
someone is making $24 million a year, I might assume he's not *actually*
doing 1000 times as much work as am, or that his ideas can't actually be
1000 times as valuable as mine. Oh no, that's impossible! :) The whole
cliche about hating what you don't understand is usually a bit silly and
self serving, but it has to be considered.

(And no, I do not actually make $24,000 a year.)


 einexile, who is back for a week or so

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:23:51 -0400
From: Rastko Kovacevic (rkovacev@ABACUS.BATES.EDU)
Subject: Re: Childcatcher - original version

              Apr 18, 96 08:04:03 am

> >I'm (almost - say about 70%) sure that Lush's "Childcatcher" was
> >released (or was INTENDED to be released) in a form before
> >"Lovelife".  I actually WAS told about this, but unfortunately I was
> >drunk at the time, and don't  remember...
> >
>
> I'm fairly certain the original version of the Childcatcher appears on an
> old Select tape compilation ... As for the date of the issue ... I can't
> remember.  Sorry ... hope that helps

There is a version of childcatcher on AVAM. i'm not sure whether this is
*the* original, but it certainly is different than the one on lovelife.

btw, is anyone going to STP concert in providence, ri?

rastko

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:19:00 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: quik song id please


>You wrote:
>>
>>Kind of a rocking song, sounds a lot like Filter, lots of minor chords
>>and a very crunchy verse, lyrics have to do with accepting rejection.
>>Does this sound familiar to anyone?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>e the naive :(

It=B4s gotta be one of those great and structured incredible songs by the
Presidents of the United States.

Bad Guess?

Pepe

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                                     NewOrder
*************************************************


Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:35:08 CET
From: Adam Olszewski (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.BITNET)
Subject: Re: DEAD CAN DACE tracklisting and albuminfo


oh God, what does one do to get this kind of information?

huite i love you for that
(just don't take it TOO literally)

adam, who made a 10 min dance remix of Echolalia last Sunday for his next party


Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 17:49:03 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: DEAD CAN DACE tracklisting and albuminfo


The new Dead Can Dance 'Spiritchaser' album is released on Monday June 3rd 1996.
The album focusses on the more percussive, tribal side of DCD's music.

The album will be available on Double Vinyl (DAD 6008), Cassette (CADC 6008) and
CD (CAD 6008 CD).

Tracklisting is as follows:

A 1 Nierika
  2 Song of the Stars

B 1 Indus
  2 Song of the Disposessed
  3 Dedicace Outo

C 1 The Snake and the Moon
  2 Song of the Nile

D 1 Devorzhum

My wild guess is the vinyl comes in 2 x 10".

See my other mail on the DCD 1996 world tour.

Cheerio,

Huite

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:29:50 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Childcatcher


>I'm fairly certain the original version of the Childcatcher appears on an
>old Select tape compilation ... As for the date of the issue ... I can't
>remember.  Sorry ... hope that helps

there's a version on avam.  is that the same as the select version?

BiZ

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:34:05 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: esp summer


is the esp summer track on the shaving kit cd/mc a track from the esp summer
tape or 10"?  or is it new?

thanks,

BiZ

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:32:31 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: pale saints lyrics


>greetings. i am on a quest for pale saints lyric.
>esp. the comforts of madness. esp a deep sleep/a deeper sleep...
>it matters not. anyone know anything!? thanks in advance.

andyx has them somewhere (as do i, but not here).  i'm still (yes, i know
it's been months) occasionally working on changes, etc., and really will
send them out to those that want them, but don't hold your breath.
if you don't get them from andy in the next few days, email me and i'll trek
over to the computer lab to send them.

bye,

BiZ

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 17:49:05 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Dead Can Dance 1996 World tour


Dead Can Dance embark on a massive world tour in June 1996. taking in venues
across Europe and The Americas with capacities of up to 8500.

The band will play a two hour set of material taken from their new album
'Spiritchaser' as well as music stretching back as far as the band's first
EP for 4AD, through to new, as yet unrecorded songs.

6 Antwerp
7 Cologne
9 Budapest
11 Prague
12 Munich
14 Frankfurt
15 Paris
16 Paris
18 Athens
19 Thessaloniki
21 Barcelona
22 Madrid
24 Berlin
25 Hasmburg
27 Amsterdam
28 Amsterdam
30 London

July
4 Istanbul
10 Philadelphia
11 Washington DC
13 New York
14 New York
16 Boston
18 Montreal
19 Montreal
21 Toronto
22 Ann Arbor
24 Chicago
25 Chicago
26 Minneapolis
30 Santa Fe

August
1 Boulder
2 Salt Lake City
4 Vancouver
6 Seattle
7 Seattle
9 Postland
11 San Francisco
13 Los Angeles
16 Austin
17 Houston
19 Atlanta
21 Miami

23 august - 1 september: South America

See also my message on the new DCD album.

Cheers,

Huite

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:52:02 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance in Michigan


>I imagine that they will play at the Michigan Theater

Correct.

Cheers,

Huite

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 13:04:53 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: misery loves (the record) company


>Hmm, I see a problem here.  Where's all the "happy" music??!!  Ivo needs
>to grow the fuck up and stop being so fashionably depressed.  There's
>more pure joy in the song "Make-Out Club" that in all the 1996 4AD
>releases.  Lush is too angry, scheer is schit, mojave is too murky.
>They should rename it the "Slashing the Wrist Veins" tour.  I used to be
>such a 4AD junkie.  Now I wonder if I'll ever buy a 4AD product again.

>

>--deluxx

Then why are you here? I hate Oasis, so I would be a bit stupid to be on the
Oasis mailing list.
There seems little point in you being on a list for a label you clearly despise.

PS - Where are all the 'happy posts' Listies need to grow up, and stop being so
fashionably cynical.

Dez (who knows when he's being a hypocrite - so don't point it out)


Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 13:04:50 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Childcatcher - original version


>I don't know why I didn't post this query before, but here goes,
>anyway...
>
>I'm (almost - say about 70%) sure that Lush's "Childcatcher" was
>released (or was INTENDED to be released) in a form before
>"Lovelife".  I actually WAS told about this, but unfortunately I was
>drunk at the time, and don't  remember...
>
>It might have been on a track on a compliation EP (four or five bands -
>possibly all with female vocals)
>
>The release also might have been tied in with the secret gig Lush did
>at the Dublin Castle, London on 19th December 1994 with Solar Race
>and a couple of other bands.
>
>Anyone else any idea about this?  Or am I talking out of my arse?
>

It was on a tape given away by Select magazine, Chris. Can't remember exactly
when, but it was shortly before Teenager of the Year came out, because it had a
preview track on it.

- Dez

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:41:45 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Aphex Twin [was: v23 - ugh! & Warp - ugh! Seefeel are crap,


e wrote:
>Agreed however on Donkey Rhubarb, which
>is complete shit.

Hum, I've been looking for this for a while just for the Philip Glass
orchestrated version of "Icct Hedral". Are you saying it's not as good as
the original? I had high hopes for it...

I've been having trouble finding good ambient/techno stuff lately; I
agree fully with the comments re. the orientation too many people have on
creating weird new sounds at the expense of doing anything musically
interesting -- to my ears, Mark Clifford's a major offender in this area.
The "Feed Your Head" comps are fun trippy stuff, but relatively
lightweight ear candy. (But is the rest of Astralasia's stuff as good as
"Ignarus"? That track is pretty amazing.)

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:50:48 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: misery loves (the record) company


deluxx wrote:
>Hmm, I see a problem here.  Where's all the "happy" music??!!  Ivo needs
>to grow the fuck up and stop being so fashionably depressed.

What about all the Pixies albums? They're pretty gleefully manic, even
when Francis is singing about mutilation and incest. And the Cocteau
Twins were really only downbeat on their first few releases. Later stuff
may be terrifying but in an ecstatic visionary way. And a lot of Pale
Saints songs are upbeat. And The Wolfgang Press' "Queer" and "Funky
Little Demons". And M/A/R/R/S...

My current dislike for 4AD has nothing to do with the emotional tone of
the music, just that they're no longer pushing the envelope. Too much
stuff that's currently coming out sounds just like any other mainstream
alternative music (Belly, Lush, Mojave, Scheer...)

>

Hey, you never started the block with a !

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:19:25 -0700
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Looking for Japanese Lush for trade


I will offer a brand spankin' new copy (pristine!) of Facing the Wrong
Way in exchange for the new Lush Japanese version.

Let me know!

Alex

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:27:10 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: loopy


>> >What do you expect? In my humble opinion all techno music is repititive.
>> >I think it is due to all of the loops.
>>
>> i don't know if this is some kind of joke, or if it's serious, but not all
>> techno uses loops my friend (aphex twin doesn't even use that many from what
>> i've heard).
>
>them with new ones, or adding new stuff. The criticism that techno is
>repetitive really comes from a simple minded observation that a lot of
>techno only has one easily recognizeable repeating "part" as opposed to
>three or four. Three or four is still repetitive if you don't do anything
>with them through the duration of a song (unless of course the song is
>extremely short). Any song however that repeats four (or three or five,

i never thought about it that way.  when i hear someone dismiss techno is
repetitive, i think, "he must have heard something like 'quique,'" which i
originally dismissed as boring and repetitive, but have since grown to like
(after warming up to it by listening to other techno).

>> have you ever heard fsol or global communication?  both are
>> excellent, non-loopy bands that make a great intro to the "world" of techno
>> music.
>
>No, both are all looped out. FSOL go freeform a lot recently, but GC are
>very loopy, just highly and cleverly structured.

i sort of meant reload, since i haven't heard a lot of GC, but i didn't
realize there was much of a difference.  my mistake.  i should have realized
that since the gc i have doesn't sound that much like reload.


>> i just wanted to say that it's a bit silly to hear a bit of
>> techno and dismiss the entire genre as repetitive.  on the other hand, some
>> people just don't "get" it (this is not intended as a flame).
>
>It's a flame to anyone who thinks they get it and cares. I doubt a whole
>lot of us completely get it. You're only just starting to get it when you
>get a sense for how much you do NOT get. Music can be an extremely

as i said in a private mail, my intent was mainly to suggest a couple of
artists i think are good starting points for "getting" techno.  i started
listening to it with remixes (reload's in mind) and the fsol lifeforms ep.
i still don't own a lot, but i've found that a lot of my friends (who don't
normally like techno) enjoy listening to these two bands (along with aphex
twin, who, i must confess, i know little about)

while we're on the subject of repetitiveness, has anyone out there heard the
new spacetime continuum?  i think it's pretty cool because the loops (beats,
whatever) are so complex they seem random, but once you listen close enough,
you realize that there is a set pattern, just a very long one.  funkyar is a
great example of this. . .

iaora tahiti makes me happy.

BiZ, who doesn't completely get techno either, but doesn't mind trying.


Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:49:57 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: paving over some graves


Shaving the Pavement. I wasn't even planning on going,
but someone had an extra ticket, so I figured what the hell.
Turns out I should have stayed at home listening to Gala,
Spooky, Just For A Day and Souvlaki, stuck in the past
when these bands actually meant something to me, and loving it.

I'll be brief.

Scheer.
Schit. Well, I knew I wasn't going to like them, and at least they
went on first to get that over with. The vocalist has some things
going for her and she's as cute as a button, but the music? Hurl.
Yeah, it was good for what it was, but I couldn't get into it.
Combined with my tastes in music, stuff like this just comes
across as heavy metal guitar wanking. Next!

Mojave 3.
Yawn. Well, that's not being fair, is it?. I did like them, in fact,
but they have yet to really move me. They're nice, pretty, soothing,
with some good songwriting, but nothing really speaks to me or
gently grabs me. It's in one ear and out the other, I'm afraid.

Lush.
Give up. The shows they did for Spooky were among the best
concerts I have ever seen. Brilliant! Last night showed a
different band-- harder, more straightforward ROCK that sounded
just plain generic, like any alterna-no-name "let's make a fast buck"
band you'd hear on KROQ. The two songs I even gave a damn about,
"Deluxe" and "For Love" sounded castrated, a pale shadow of past
glory. If they can continue to be a success with their new
found whitebread approach, then fine, they deserve it, but
they won't be making any more money off me.

Add all of the above to an over-crowded, over-heated room,
and I'm starting to think I'll stick with bands nobody's
heard of so I can at least be comfortable when I see them.

Speaking of which, 8 Page Story is doing some shows on Friday,
Saturday and next Thursday in the Claremont area. If you know
about them, then you probably already got their postcard. If
you don't, then ask. Thy're a GOOD band.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:58:34 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: DEAD CAN DACE tracklisting and albuminfo


so what exactly is the dcd release date for the US. i thought it was june 3rd
around the wrold and june 11th here in the US?

also any info on brendan's solo release date?

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:09:30 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: 4AD vs Time-Warner


Seems to me that there's a fair bit of confusion out there amongst some of you,
as illustrated by the recent rush of posts slagging off 4AD's US office. They
may be a bunch of cretins for all I know or care, but that's not my point.
4AD is a wholly-owned and independently distributed UK record company, like One
Little Indian, Mute and Beggar's Banquet and totally unlike Creation-Sony.
Time-Warner has absolutely nothing to do with them as far as the domestic market
is concerned. But when it comes to selling in a huge market (and geographically
huge country) like the USA, a little UK independent stands absolutely zero
chance of competing in terms of airplay and sales, or even just getting records
into shops. Therefore, they have one of two options. Either they simply license
out bands to any record companies interested in them, or they hook-up with some
major muscle. 4AD took the latter course of action with Time-Warner. What
results is little more than 'badged' product. Says 4AD on the label, but it
ain't real 4AD. An analogy would be Budweiser beer. We have it here, but it sure
as hell ain't brewed in Milwaukee (or wherever Budweiser comes from), it's
brewed on some crappy industrial estate in Warrington, or some other shitty
town. Time-Warner have the ultimate say as to what they choose or choose not to
release Stateside. Hence your three month wait for the Mojave 3 album that us UK
listies had in October. (it works both ways - we haven't had the Scheer album
here yet). And hence, also, the hugely priced import singles that you are faced
with. It's Warners decision. It may suck big time in your eyes, but consider
this. There will be no UK 'Shaving The Pavement' tour, or associated goodies.
That again is a Time-Warner thing, and without them, the logistics of it would
be totally unfeasible. Lush and Scheer would probably have signed to majors, and
you'd be stuck with paying import prices for Mojave 3 records, and no
opportunity of seeing them live except for the possible visit to New York for
the NMS, or Los Angeles. Just something to mull over, folks.

- Dez

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 13:08:21 -0500
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: velour

              from 

>
> > velour is super keen.
>
> Say.... I live near Seattle (isn't that where the label is based?), and I
> still can't find this disc anywhere.  Direct mail order would be an
> option, but it's absurd for me to wait "4 to 6 weeks" for a single
> CD, and I won't do it unless I have to.  I've asked Parasol, and they
> know nothing about it...
>
> >                         "spirit needs the spiritual" - hnia
>
> Eating that burrito tonight was spiritual.
>
> Mike
>

since velour is on a Christian label, you might want to check out
some Christian music stores in your area.  that's where i got mine.

jason

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:51:59 -0400
From: Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group
Subject: 1996 UK Catalogue (to date)?


Can someone post (or send me personally) a list of 4AD UK releases for 1996 (so
far)?

I don't have access to ftp, web browser, etc., otherwise, I'd search for this
myself.

Thanks,
Tom
thomulka.worldgroup@notes.compuserve.com


Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:31:25 -0400
From: IVSONGS@AOL.COM
Subject: v23 and organ meats


>> Having a disgusting album cover was ONE idea, ONE person had it, and every
ugly album cover since has been 100% stolen from the first, whatever it
was.<<

Are "pretty pictures" even appropriate for the scheer cover?

I think the qualities of scheer's music are perfectly reflected in these
sleeves. With scheer, you have very visceral, macho testosterone-driven
instrumentation that's sort of tempered by a decidedly feminine vocal
approach.

With the sleeves you have the visual equivalent of this. The shots on
INFLICTION-although I can see how some would find the shots disagreeable-are
very stylized, very clean, almost abstract depictions that totally play off
its and scheer's sound.

Skin cancer and arteries never looked so good.

As for the deliberate use of this imagery for base shock value, I'd have to
disagree as much as I would disagree with the same arguement as it related to
the sleeves for SURFER ROSA years ago. There is a genuine method behind the
imagery. If scheer's music had sounded like puppy dogs to Messr. Oliver, I'm
sure he would have used them, intact, for the cover.

There is no formula at work in v23 sleeves. In so much as they are
stylistically similar because they are done by the same two or three people,
they are unique to, and usually very accurately reflect, the music that they
sleeve in appropriately different ways.

There you go.

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:19:31 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: double dating Dead Can Dance

              1996 17:49:05 +0200

No!  I'm not talking about me getting a date with Lisa and someone else getting
a date with Brendan.  (I don't date married women)  I'm wondering about the
numerous cases where DCD are listed for two dates.  Are they actually performing
two nights in a row OR is the concert date not determined yet.  I hope they're
playing two dates 'cuz i'm in one of these lucky cities (Seattle).

>   15 Paris
>   16 Paris
>   27 Amsterdam
>   28 Amsterdam
>   13 New York
>   14 New York
>   18 Montreal
>   19 Montreal
>   24 Chicago
>   25 Chicago
>   6 Seattle
>   7 Seattle

um... so anyone in Seattle need a date for the double dating Dead Can Dance
shows?  Maybe we could get Wrigley's to sponsor us!
please direct all responses to me personally, cz@u.washington.edu, no need to
clutter up the list ;)

-cz

particular venue and date tickets go on sale PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let us know.
Thanks.

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:48:13 -0400
From: "it's that suit" (fhw2n@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: sale items-vinyl/CD


Please email me directly- Iwill not receive mail sent to
4AD-l...

some techno/trance/ambient/acid 12 " s for sale..
these items do NOT include shipping - I will give an estimate
for shipping when you send your request (usually $1.5-3)
most of these are brand new copies that have not been played
unless otherwise mentioned- I'm selling them because I've received
multiple copies from my buyers.

Killing Joke- Democracy 12" (with Hallucinogen RMX(GOA)!!!) $7
Dermatologist-Voodoo Rex 12" (brown vinyl on Influence) $7
Castle Trancelot- Indoctrinate RMX 12"(clear vinyl) $7 (trance)
Bill & Ben- 10" of Funk (ltd 10" on Harthouse- etched on one side)
                $7
Lenk- Mystic Remixes (12" on Planet Rhythm) $7
Cari Lekebush- Tracks and Fragments 12" (on Loop) $7
God Within- Phoenix UK12" (a Hardkiss classic) $7
Orbital- Belfast/Wasted UK12" (super nice packaging including
        poster and vinyl sleeve) $7
Mole People- Break Night/Ocean US12" (Strictly Rhythm- Armand V.Helden)
                        $4
Speedy J- The Oil Zone  12" Holland (BMU)-new release $7
DJ TIM & Rfactor- Seashell/Circuit5/NFX Belg12" (Directdrive27) $7
Kinky Boyz- You Spin Me Round (like a record) UK12" (Yes- It's
        a Dead or Alive RMX) $5
CJ Bolland- Camargue RMX- old 12" on R&S $7
CJ Bolland- Neural Paradox Belg12" (recent on R&S-2copies) $7
Orbital - Times Fly UK 2x12" (on Internal) $9
Edge of Motion/Pure- early UK12" on New Electronica- clear vinyl $4
OuterMind- I Still Want Ya (a trance anthem) older US12" on Guerilla
                $4
All About Eve s/t LP $6
Schnitt Acht- Rage/Random Funk EP (blood red vinyl) 12" $5
Fourwaycross- Shimmer 4 tracker $6
Venus Beads- Transfixed EP import $6
Death in June: Oh how we Laughed (1st ed on EYAS- blue cover)
                        M-/M- (LP) $25 OBO

CD prices include cost of shipping!
Church of Acid- Modulator CD single $4 (techno)
Utah Saints- What Can You Do For Me CD single $4
Low Pop Suicide: Disengagement EP CDS $4
Grace Darling: s/t CD (pre Cest la mort release on sardonic
                sounds) $6
Batman Returns Soundtrack $8 CD
Shelleyan Orphan- Humroot $9 CD
Body Count (Ice-T)- There Goes the Neighborhood CDS (promo on WB)
                        $4
Jam and Spoon - Right in the Night CDS-import (with Follow Me)
                        $7
Inanna- not.hing- on Dark Vinyl $14 import- brand new copy.
Thomas Koner- teimo (on Barooni)- import $13 brand new copy.
Hardfloor- Funalogue 7 track mini album on CD $10 import (ACIEED!!!)
808 State - Ex:el CD $9
Harthouse- Point of No Return  Chapter 1 CD $12 (I believe this one
        may be out of print now)
FUSE- Dimension Intrusion (nice stuff on PLUS8 ala Richie Hawtin
        aka Plastik Man) CD $10
Orbital- Lush 3 CD5 $8 (a true classic with CJBOlland mix, PWOG mix)
Sven Vath - Accident in Paradise CD $12 (import version with
        different cover art that US version - very elegant trance
        and ambient tunes)
Polygon Window- Surfing on Sine Waves CD $12 (original import pressing
                on Warp Records)
Tresor II various artists compilation CD $9 (bangin techno including
        Vainquer- LYOT Maurizio mix)

contact me before sending money to ensure that the item is not
already sold.
contact fhw2n@faraday.clas.virginia.edu

if the price is too high- make an offer

--
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of the human mind to correlate all its contents." HPL
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Ted Watkins
304 14th ST NW Apt 6
Charlottesville VA 22903
fhw2n@faraday.clas.virginia.edu

"Human teleportation, molecular decimation, breakdown and reformation, is
inherently purging.. It makes a man a king!" JG

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 22:35:48 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: going home


does anybody know when is 4ad finally going
to release the first, last, and only
record by "going home".
from what I've read in the rolling stone
it was supposed to be released last year
but I can't find any reference to it in any
of he local stores or in catalogues.
just to refresh your memory: "going home" is the
american folk duo with Hope Sandoval, but I'm
sure you all know that already.
if anyone knows anything about that I would sure
appreciate an answer.
this in one album I really want to get my hands on.
thanks
naor


Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 13:27:53 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance in Michigan


On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, Huite Rietveld wrote:

> >I imagine that they will play at the Michigan Theater
>
> Correct.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Huite
>
i would thiunk that the hill auditorium would be a better choice.
sean

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 15:15:28 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: STP helL.A./v23


>
>On v23:
>Vaughan Oliver is so great, he can take a shit, have it photographed, and
use it in
>graphic design and make it look brilliant! So there.
>
>

Hmm, I never thought a shit could be 'art'. I suppose you=B4re an art=
 critic.

Pepe
Going to the john to make some art...
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'The Picture you see, is no portrait of me...'
                                     NewOrder
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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:56:43 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Aphex Twin [was: v23 - ugh! & Warp - ugh! Seefeel are crap,


>I've been having trouble finding good ambient/techno stuff lately; I
>agree fully with the comments re. the orientation too many people have on
>creating weird new sounds at the expense of doing anything musically
>interesting -- to my ears, Mark Clifford's a major offender in this area.

Probably my favorite ambient band ever is the Higher Intelligence Agency.
When I got their first album "Colourform", I had a hard time dislodging it
from my cd player (and consequently my black light stayed on quite a bit as
well).  I haven't heard their new album yet, but I heard it is excellent as
well.  And if you haven't heard anything by Autechre, they're just
_amazing_.  I don't have as much of their material as I'd like, but what I
do have is crazy.  Finally, there's a compilation called One A.D. (which is
where I first heard the Higher Intelligence Agency) that is one of my
favorites.  It's got some very different sounding stuff, all pretty mellow,
but ranging from long, droning-type songs to fast, light melodic ones.
Highly recommended.

Jake

Looks like I'm going to be going to lots o' concerts come June...

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:26:10 -0400
From: captain dave (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 - ug


> > it took me about a year to realize that the cover of In Ribbons is
> > actually a disected human torso. it looks more like candle wax.
>
> It is neither.  Pale Saints said in an interview that it was the
> entrails of a cow, or something like that

i read somewhere that it was a sculpture by one of the band member's mother.
hmmmm...
i personally hate overlapping and faded fonts. is there a point? it ruins
the balance and distracts the viewer.

dave..who doesn't need a tattoo to express dissatisfaction with
conformity or to rebel against anything supposedly spoonfed to us by the
mass media (like tattoos).
(desarg@mail.wm.edu)

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:39:06 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: velour


> since velour is on a Christian label, you might want to check out
> some Christian music stores in your area.  that's where i got mine.

That is a tremendous surprise.  I guess I could run through Evangel next
time I'm in the Seattle area... probably run me $16, though...

MIke

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:40:57 -0700
From: joe luna (joealuna@MAIL2.QUIKNET.COM)
Subject: DCD Where are they playing in San Fran


Hello

this is my first time posting so if I posted wrong sorry.

Where in San Francisco is DCD playing?  I called BASS tickets and they
had no idea who they are or where they are playing?

Does anybody know another ticket company I can go through that might be
better?

thanks in advance

-luna-

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:27:38 -0400
From: Heather Elizabeth Phares (hepcat@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: gripe about the people at 4AD US


On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Dewdrops Records wrote:

> I've always had difficulty with people at 4AD US.
> At times Robb Moore seemed like a friendly sort of guy,
> even chatty, but trying to get any sort of press promos,
> even just pictures and bios, has been a disaster. I'm on their
> mailing list, which apparently doesn't really mean anything,
> because it's rare that I even get a mailing. At this point
> it's just a random fax about every 2-4 months. I was starting

That's really weird, I've *never* had a problem dealing w/ Robb. My paper
(the Michigan Daily, University of Michigan's newspaper) has been on the
4ad's mailing list for as long as I can remember and for the last year
and a half we've gotten tape and cd advances 6-8 wks ahead of release
dates. I don't think that I/we ever sucked up to the label; not every 4ad
release we've covered has gotten glowing reviews. Anyway, I'm sorry to
hear other ppl have had problems with Robb/4ad. I just got off the phone
with Robb, actually, who told me that he's going to Mercury Records in
New York next week, and -- more relevant to us -- that the person to
contact now is John Hughes, who answers the phones for 4ad.Hope this is
of some help -- it is to me, since i'm trying to set up some StP
interviews for the Detroit show. Well, back to lurk mode,

Heather


Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:54:57 -0400
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Re: loopy


e wrote:

>Techno, if you include ambient in the equation, is actually
>considerably less loopy than pop music in general. I never
>understood why people single out electronic records for this...

A reason for this could have something to do with the length of these
recordings.  Most pop songs are usually no longer than five minutes
in length, so the repeating bits don't become that annoying or
obvious.  Can you imagine if any of these artists tried to construct
anything of the length of an ambient track?  Pop, rock and alternative
(i hate using that word) also have the added distraction of
singing which obscures any unoriginallity, creating a chimera of
greatness around many of these lost souls.  Take away the singing and
even tone-deaf me can spot the two cords.  Very few are able to
compose anything of length without it turning stale. Don't get me
wrong, there are exceptions!  The nature of electronic recordings
allows one to get away with a bit more, but no matter how hard I try I
still find things a bit too repetitive.  People on this list whose
non-ambient music tastes I indentify with who rave about Autochre and
FSOL for example always make me wonder though; am I correct in always
being so dismissive of ambient music?  Is it perhaps like Bach where
I can't spot all the fuges and subtle beauties hidden amongst the
notes?  So I borrow a few CD's from 'the piss & vinegar dept.' chap
Hems, try and create an atmosphere propitious towards an 'ambient-
understanding' and listen....I always give up after a while.....give
me a well composed, terse track any day where the repetiveness isn't
too bad.  I keep on trying though.
Perhaps the following excerpt from e's post explains it:

>It's a flame to anyone who thinks they get it and cares. I doubt a whole
>lot of us completely get it. You're only just starting to get it when you
>get a sense for how much you do NOT get.

    Neil

    "I want to write sad songs, the kind of sad where you break
    someones finger in three places..."
        Nick Cave to Lydia Lunch
        (from the biography by Ian Johnson - Bad Seed)

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:34:56 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Corporate Attack... again.


At 10:46 PM 4/16/96, Jose A. Garcia Camil wrote:
>Well, it seem our good friends at Fontana are doing it again:
>
>THE COCTEAU TWINS KILKEAN HEART #1 CD-5 (UK) 05/10 [$10]  $8.99
>        2nd single taken from the current album.
>THE COCTEAU TWINS KILKEAN HEART #2 CD-5 (UK) 05/10 [$10]  $8.99
>
>So there it goes, another 2 part single for the 'die hard' fans. When i buy
>these two, i will have spent $36 bucks on 8 bsides (assuming the new single=
s
>have 2 bsides each).
>
>Isn=B4t life a bitch...
>
>Pepe

Either you are stupid, really young or just a crazy fan. I wouldn't spend
this kind of money on the CT. Their day has passed. The sun set and its
time to bury the dead. Don't do it man. Keep your money for something
better.

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Communicating from the corner of 5th and Vermouth

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:45:22 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: gripe about the people at 4AD US


At 4:38 PM 4/17/96, the boy in zinc wrote:
>>Since I have a few free moments, I'd like to bitch about the people who work
>>at 4AD Us. Here's the story:
>
>me, too.  i've been trying to get ahold of rob moore for almost three weeks
>to get cd servicing for our campus paper.  he was never there, and didn't
>return any of my calls.  i finally got him yesterday, only to have him tell
>me that he's leaving at the end of the week and didn't have time to deal
>with it (the other labels i've spoken to have taken care of everything in
>one or two days).  he didn't know who his successor was going to be, so he
>couldn't even refer me to someone else, just said, "call back in a few weeks
>and they'll be able to help you. . ."
>
>bruce at ipr, on the other hand, was VERY friendly and helpful.
>
>rant mode off,
>
>BiZ
You know, maybe its time to flame the England office about the behavior of
the US office. Maybe it's time to take out an axe and chops some heads at
the US office. Maybe it's time to relocate the L.A. office to
S.F./Berkeley, were people need much work and would do the job right. Maybe
L.A. office will read this, start to worry about their Porche payments and
start getting their ass in gear. :)

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Communicating from the corner of 5th and Vermouth

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:26:58 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh! & Warp - ugh! Seefeel are crap, etc.


>On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Andrew Norman wrote:
>>  einexile the meek  wrote on Wed, 17 Apr 1996
>
>> I liked the silver worms screwing, but if you
>> are going to go for a shocking/disgusting cover, at least do it
>> properly.
>
>No, don't do it at all. Pretty pictures and interesting pictures are fun
>to look at and they are all different. Having a disgusting album cover
>was ONE idea, ONE person had it, and every ugly album cover since has
>been 100% stolen from the first, whatever it was.

I don't really understand this.  Does this mean that the first person to
come up with a pretty album cover was, as well, ONE person with ONE idea and
every pretty album cover since has been 100% stolen from the first?  I don't
think so.  Any type of art can produce a wide range of emotions and
feelings.  Just because an album cover looks "disgusting", that doesn't mean
every disgusting album cover will bring out the same emotions, nor are they
contrived to do so.  For instance, the cover of certain punk albums I have
seen contain many graphic images that are disgusting, but the intent is to
illustrate violence.  In contrast, I seriously doubt that you could make a
case that the cover for "Trompe Le Monde" is supposed to represent violence.
        On top of all this there is the fact that all of this is quite
subjective.  What you may think of as "disgusting" I may think of as
brilliant.  Personally, I _love_ the cover of "In Ribbons", as well as the
cover of "This Rimey River", both of which feature rather dismembered
portions of animals.  I don't view either of these as imitations of anyone's
previous work.

Jake

Who misses his hat :(

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:53:36 -0400
From: Jamie Blackman (jb593@BARD.EDU)
Subject: how do i subscribe?


see subject heading



Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:15:28 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh!


On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> > it took me about a year to realize that the cover of In Ribbons is
> > actually a disected human torso. it looks more like candle wax.
>
> It is neither.  Pale Saints said in an interview that it was the
> entrails of a cow, or something like that.

The Pale Saints said in an interview that they had a contest with their
fan club to title the album. The Pale Saints have probably said in
interviews that the moon was made of rat embryos. Your point? :)

 einexile
 (still thinks it may just be a candle)


Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:06:00 PDT
From: "Heileson, Thomas" (heilts1@MPE11.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Something v23 Fishy


>>> squid, the liver, yes the eyeballs...there were a lot morethan that. I'm
>>> glad I forgot the others.
>>
>>
>>the belly cover with the frozen eels??
>
>And then there's the Breeders' "Pod":  blurry dancing man (Vaughan Oliver
>himself posed) with a skinned eel strapped on to look like a huge penis...
>I haven't seen the Belly cover.

Gee, it seems 23 Envelope  began with an innocent-enough trout hanging from
a rope -- on the 1982 Modern English debut album "Mesh And Lace" -- and it
was just a downward spriral from there... on the way to Hell in an Entrail
Basket, if you will...



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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 20:57:21 -0400
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re: double dating Dead Can Dance


U know, i was meaning to write something very similar to cz's post, so if
        s/he doesn't mind, i will just quote it all.  :)  but in my case,
        i am in NYC.  same questions as cz, including invitation for a getting
        together for the show.  :)

JHR


On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, cz wrote:

> No!  I'm not talking about me getting a date with Lisa and someone else gettin

> a date with Brendan.  (I don't date married women)  I'm wondering about the
> numerous cases where DCD are listed for two dates.  Are they actually performi
g
> two nights in a row OR is the concert date not determined yet.  I hope they're
> playing two dates 'cuz i'm in one of these lucky cities (Seattle).
>
>
> >   13 New York
> >   14 New York
> >   18 Montreal
> >   19 Montreal
> >   24 Chicago
> >   25 Chicago
> >   6 Seattle
> >   7 Seattle
>
> um... so anyone in Seattle need a date for the double dating Dead Can Dance
> shows?  Maybe we could get Wrigley's to sponsor us!
> please direct all responses to me personally, cz@u.washington.edu, no need to
> clutter up the list ;)
>
> -cz
>
> PS:  Thanks Huite for your diligent reporting!  And if anyone finds out the
> particular venue and date tickets go on sale PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let us know.
> Thanks.
>