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Subject: Re: Presidents
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 23:09:23 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Presidents
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 23:43:00 CDT
From: Lysa Bellott (dijitxs@MAILHOST.ACCESSCOM.NET)
Subject: NYC Stereolab Date!
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 01:07:42 -0400
From: Michael Hauben (hauben@CS.COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Stereolab near Seattle
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 22:36:12 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: HNIA
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 00:50:37 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Scheer - ugh!
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 09:31:55 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: seefeel vs disjecta
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 02:09:14 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: v23 - ugh!
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 02:23:52 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: quik song id please
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 02:55:52 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: The Aphex Twin
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 02:55:38 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Presidents vs Lush/Salt
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 06:53:27 -0400
From: naranjas en la cabeza (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Corporate Attack... again.
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 07:11:26 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh!
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 07:24:04 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 07:20:29 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: LIST?
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 07:41:13 -0500
From: "Me :)" (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh!
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 09:22:48 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: HNIA
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 10:06:03 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh! & Seefeel
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:57:46 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: HNIA
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:14:00 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Presidents, Bongwater
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:07:06 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Dead Can Dance
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:10:40 -0400
From: liles melissa m (mmlile@FACSTAFF.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Aphex Twin
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 10:05:36 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh! & Seefeel
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:49:00 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:44:38 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: seefeel vs disjecta
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:38:43 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 14:35:05 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Aphex Twin
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:27:34 -0600
From: THX-1138 (flynn@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh!
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:38:11 -0700
From: Selwyn Oh (selwyn@CSUA.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:43:08 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Cardigans
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:41:29 -0600
From: THX-1138 (flynn@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:37:33 -0700
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc@IGC.APC.ORG)
Subject: 4ad: But is it art?
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:08:13 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: HNIA
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 09:56:30 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: austin listies
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:13:17 -0600
From: wumberlog (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: gripe about the people at 4AD US
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:15:00 -0400
From: John Cellura (bcrayon@EN.COM)
Subject: Re: HNIA
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:16:49 -0500
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Aphex Twin
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 14:03:15 -0700
From: "Karl V. Hallgrimsson" (karl.hallgrimsson@ASU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cardigans
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:50:35 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:34:59 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 18:16:44 -0400
From: Steven Holmes (sbholmes@ALPHA.DELTA.EDU)
Subject: Record Convention and question....
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 14:21:59 -0700
From: Patrick Oltraver (seraphim@CTS.COM)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh! & Seefeel
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:33:56 +0700
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Milk and Kisses
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:59:42 -0700
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: gripe about the people at 4AD US
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:38:14 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: loopy
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:43:46 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: velour
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 18:25:15 -0500
From: 500 (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: quik song id please
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 17:14:53 -0700
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: gripe about the people at 4AD US
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 17:15:14 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: velour
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 19:56:32 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: gripe about the people at 4AD US
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 19:32:05 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: TMC box
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 20:43:39 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Pale Saints
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:03:31 +1000
From: Geoff Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: Presidents vs. Lush
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 21:06:22 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: first (and last) auction update
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 21:31:44 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: A little auction
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 21:06:22 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Repetition [Re: The Aphex Twin]
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 17:04:57 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: 4AD VINYL AUCTION
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:17:12 -0400
From: IVSONGS@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: TMC box
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:31:10 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US

Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 23:09:23 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Presidents


> >> FUCK YA`LL LUSH-FANS!
> >> The Presidents of the United States of America beats Lush anyday!

Uh...I missed this original post. This is really funny. Is this, like, an
April Fools Joke that was just a couple of weeks late, or something?

Martin

Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 23:43:00 CDT
From: Lysa Bellott (dijitxs@MAILHOST.ACCESSCOM.NET)
Subject: Re: Presidents


On Tues, Apr 16, Fredrik Pettersson wrote:

>FUCK YA`LL LUSH-FANS!
>The Presidents of the United States of America beats Lush anyday!
>


Movin' to the country
Gonna eat me a lot of peaches
Movin' to the country
Gonna eat me a lot of peaches...

Peaches come from a can
They were put there by a man
In some factory downtown...

Millions of peaches
Peaches for free
Millions of peaches
Peaches for me
(repeat verse about 50 times)...

These are the lyrics I have picked up after only hearing the song a few
times.  But now that I have written them down and studied them in depth,
hmmm...yes, yes i am beginning to see your point.  POTUSOA are fucking
BRILLIANT!  SCREW LUSH and their so called Sweetness and Light bullshit!  I
wanna hear more songs about peaches and kittykats!!!!!   (spoken like a
person who just had their frontal lobes removed)


I am a fan, of Lush, that is...

Lysa

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 01:07:42 -0400
From: Michael Hauben (hauben@CS.COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: NYC Stereolab Date!


Woo Hoo! =)

The NY Press had an Irving Plaza advert that said Stereolab in
NYC on May 20 - yes sire bob! =)

Gotta check out if there are any other dates - Stereolab seems to
like to do multiple shows here.

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 22:36:12 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Stereolab near Seattle


Hey kids.

If you didn't already know... For those of you near Seattle, this might be
interesting.  I found out yesterday that Stereolab will be playing here
at Western Washington University in Bellingham (1-1.5 hours North of
Seattle) on May 3.  Tickets are $5.  I'll deliver more info when I get it...

Mike

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 00:50:37 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: HNIA


Greetings fellow 4AD denizens,
  Thought maybe some of you could give me some info on what the future holds
for fans of His Name Is Alive (that is, if you can tear yourselves away from
the President's discussion).  Seems like it's been quite a while since MOUTH
BY MOUTH and KING OF SWEET came out.  I've been enjoying the various offerings
from Liquorice, but it's of course not the same.
  Also, is there a page dedicated to them on the web per chance?  Any other
info anybody feels like imparting, please do, and thanks.
--gary


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 09:31:55 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Scheer - ugh!


Scheer's "Wish You Were Dead" (BAD 6005) is out now, and it is AWFUL
HEAVY METAL WANKING.  I have only listened to the A-side, but I think
it's safe to say that my "give the kids a break" policy ends here,
unless the B-sides are pretty spectacular.  Cover is a load of embryos
(sheep?), and is the most disgusting thing I have seen since the Pixies'
"Trompe le Monde" eyeballs.  The new Cocteaus album is absolutely bloody
wonderful, though.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 17/04/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Can - Soundtracks

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 02:09:14 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: seefeel vs disjecta


I was thinking today, on the way home from buying Clean Pit & Lid (or
whatever the hell it's called?), that it's odd how no once seems to care
about Mark Clifford anymore simply because he's changed the name of his
solo project. Seefeel did look to be turning into just that, a solo
project, and the rest of the band appear to have been more or less
sitting on their asses for the last two years.

It took me so long to get Looking for Snags that I still don't have it
and am not sure I remember its exact title correctly. I assumed it wasn't
a far cry out of Succour's way, mostly based on a very good review I read
some time ago. (This review gained credibility in my mind since Elvisa
hated it.) Well now I've got Clean Pit & Lid, I am seeing something of a
change. It's not that the music is bad or that I'm not entertained or
that Clifford no longer possesses sinister vision. It's that he really is
copying other artists now in a noticeable way, and he really is repeating
himself now rather than just borrowing and having a musical and stylistic
vocabulary. This album is full of nice ideas and pleasant atmospheres,
and it's too soon for me to tell whether or not it is a solid work or an
obnoxious collection, but I do know that I'm hearing a lot that I've
heard before and I'm hearing a lot that bores me.

Most glaring are the glaring Aphex Twin and mu-ziq references. Sometimes
I think the poor bastard is actually sampling from their work. It's no
longer just that they inhabit the same universe (and in all fairness
Quique predated SAW2 and may be its equal) but they are making the same
points and in a way it's become almost formulaic. Clifford has obviously
been a big fan of James and it's my admittedly cursory and premature
theory that I Care Because You Do has baffled him and left him swimming
in a soup of confusion with nothing to draw from. It's not that drawing
from and being influenced by are Bad Things, but if you love your sources
too much and try too hard to be original, you end up ripping them off
wholesale, and this is what I really see happening at the root. The songs
are good and the music is new, but it's not godhead and it's a little
old. Unless I'm missing something, it lacks the careful, brilliant
subtleties of Succour and the alien newness of Quique. Music is for fun,
my favorite band is Current 93, and far be it from me to always require
new and subtle--but in their absence I do hope for acceptable
substitutes, and the only substitution I see going on here is of ambient
staples for inspiration. The Aurobindo album is boring as hell but at
least I didn't misplace the thing after owning it for twelve hours.

Another Warp artist bites the dust. What the hell is going on??

 e

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 02:23:52 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: v23 - ugh!


On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Andrew Norman wrote:

> Scheer's "Wish You Were Dead" (BAD 6005) is out now, and it is AWFUL
> HEAVY METAL WANKING.

I think I've come dangerously close to buying this album more times than
I've become dangerously close to buying any other album I will regret
buying. Thank you, I think, for doing your part to pull me back from the
brink.

> Cover is a load of embryos
> (sheep?), and is the most disgusting thing I have seen since the Pixies'
> "Trompe le Monde" eyeballs.

To me they are worse. Sheep are food and sheep eyes are pretty common and
used in science classes and shit. Rats however can be pretty cute, and
the poor things on the cover are indeed rats. Are we about to plunge into
yet another v23 Animal Carcass Phase? I do so look forward to the dead
squid, the liver, yes the eyeballs...there were a lot morethan that. I'm
glad I forgot the others.

I cannot tell what the cover of the albumis thanks to a big fat sticker
which informs us of all the hits Scheer have had. Am I mistaken or is
this thing on the cover in fact a rotten penis wrapped in some sort of
wire or twine? Fucking sick if you sk me, whatever the hell it is.

I used to joke that the Coicteaus left 4AD because Ivo wanted to vivisect
the Cocteau baby and use it for an album cover. (Didn't Sinead O'Connor
already try that?) But this stuff is really getting pretty goddam close.
If I want to see a picture of a person boiling in lava, I know where the
hell to look for that shit. It's getting to the point where I am really
looking forward to the coming days when all this pretentious typography
and amateur picture-snapping are thrown out the window and they bring
back the boring old image of a guy with an afro leaning against a wall
with a guitar slung over his shoulder, etc. The artsy fartsy stuff has
been nice for a while, but now it's become an uninteresting
*requirement*, and the object is not to be beautiful but to be original,
"challenging", or whatever. Fuck v23 and their stupid design revolution.
I'm going to go out tomorrow and have all my old Iron Maiden posters
matted and framed.


 e


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 02:55:52 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: quik song id please


Kind of a rocking song, sounds a lot like Filter, lots of minor chords
and a very crunchy verse, lyrics have to do with accepting rejection.
Does this sound familiar to anyone?

Thanks,

e the naive :(

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 02:55:38 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: The Aphex Twin


I picked up a copy of Classics by Aphex Twin. Not that I hate the stuff, but it 
eemed a
tad repetitive and boring. Being my only exposure so far, I cannot assume that i
 is all like
this. But I suppose it is. Yes, no, maybe? I did enjoy half the CD, but 76 minut
s drags on ......

And e's comments on Mark Clifford sampling Aphex Twin scares me away from Seefee
.
Or is that just the new Clifford?

Chris, not planning on going to a rave in the near future


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 06:53:27 -0400
From: naranjas en la cabeza (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Presidents vs Lush/Salt


>FUCK YA`LL LUSH-FANS!
>The Presidents of the United States of America beats Lush anyday!

...at being dorky guys with bad hair who play goof-rock, that is. Lush will
probably never surpass them in that respect.

Anyway, what makes you think they merit a comparison, ya dumb Swede?


>SALT "Auscultate" (Island)
>This is the best loud-and-noisy rock album I've heard in quite a while,
>and surprisingly it comes from a country I associate more with Abba,
>Golden Earring and Ace Of Base.

But Golden Earring are from Holland...


Larry

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 07:11:26 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Corporate Attack... again.


On Tue, 16 Apr 1996, Jose A. Garcia Camil wrote:

> Well, it seem our good friends at Fontana are doing it again:
>
> THE COCTEAU TWINS KILKEAN HEART #1 CD-5 (UK) 05/10 [$10]  $8.99
>         2nd single taken from the current album.
> THE COCTEAU TWINS KILKEAN HEART #2 CD-5 (UK) 05/10 [$10]  $8.99


Any dates on the new exploitation?  i cant wait to spend more....


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 07:24:04 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh!


On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, einexile the meek wrote:

> squid, the liver, yes the eyeballs...there were a lot morethan that. I'm
> glad I forgot the others.


the belly cover with the frozen eels??

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 07:20:29 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA


Perhaps bluebell could chime in with specifics, but as far as i've been
told, the new HNIA record will be out _sometime_ in may (i got up the
courage to approach his warren-ness at a recent appearance, and that's
what he was thinking).  The name of the record is "Stars on ESP".

Rumour has it that HNIA will be opening for the shaving the pavement
folks in both chicago and detroit, altho no confirmation yet...

As previously mentioned, i was lucky enough to see HNIA perform at a
small coffee house in Ypsilanti michigan a few months ago, and they
played all new stuff except one track from "mouth...".  The new stuff
sounds more like "home" and the "dirt eaters" single (and king of sweet
for that matter) than "mouth by mouth".  Somebody called it country, but
i dont think so.  Im sure the studio versions of those acoustical/folky
songs will be adequately tweaked out...

bluebell??

dan k.
who still waits for the hnia 7" he payed for two months ago...


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 07:41:13 -0500
From: "Me :)" (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Re: NYC Stereolab Date!


At 01:07 AM 4/17/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Woo Hoo! =)
>
>The NY Press had an Irving Plaza advert that said Stereolab in
>NYC on May 20 - yes sire bob! =)
>
>Gotta check out if there are any other dates - Stereolab seems to
>like to do multiple shows here.
>

  For those of u in the chicago area, May seems to be the month of some
pretty groovy concerts down at the metro......chech it:
  May 3--- Velocity Girl  ( should i go?)
  May 9--- Shaving the Pavement (All ages, ugh)
  May 10-- Stereolab (???)
  May 15-- Tortoise

  FYI

 Ernesto


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 09:22:48 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh!


>On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, einexile the meek wrote:
>
>> squid, the liver, yes the eyeballs...there were a lot morethan that. I'm
>> glad I forgot the others.
>
>
>the belly cover with the frozen eels??

How about that entrails-like stuff on In Ribbons by Pale Saints?
That always bugs me, but the album is great.

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 10:06:03 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA

u>

I recently saw that HNIA was involved with the STP tour in Dallas as
well, what makes Warren wander so far from home, I dont know... but there
it is.

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:57:46 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh! & Seefeel

              meek" at Apr 17, 96 02:23:52 am

 einexile the meek  wrote on Wed, 17 Apr 1996
 (Subject: v23 - ugh!)
 > On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Andrew Norman wrote:
 >
 > > Scheer's "Wish You Were Dead" (BAD 6005) is out now, and it is
 > > AWFUL HEAVY METAL WANKING.
 >
 > I think I've come dangerously close to buying this album more times
 > than I've become dangerously close to buying any other album I will
 > regret buying.  Thank you, I think, for doing your part to pull me
 > back from the brink.

WYWD is, of course, the single.  B-sides include "Hanging on the
Telephone", I think I can probably imagine how atrocious that will
sound.  The music on the A-side sounds *exactly* like Iron Maiden, and
the song isn't good enough to make it worth listening to - I thought a
couple of the tracks on "Schism" were actually pretty good except for
the heavy metal guitar.

 >
 > > Cover is a load of embryos (sheep?), and is the most disgusting
 > > thing I have seen since the Pixies' "Trompe le Monde" eyeballs.
 >
 > To me they are worse.  Sheep are food and sheep eyes are pretty
 > common and used in science classes and shit.  Rats however can be
 > pretty cute, and the poor things on the cover are indeed rats.  Are
 > we about to plunge into yet another v23 Animal Carcass Phase? I do
 > so look forward to the dead squid, the liver, yes the
 > eyeballs...there were a lot morethan that.  I'm glad I forgot the
 > others.

The best one was the Pixies "crying baby turned into a leather glove".
It's not even a good photo of some embryos - there are a lot of jagged
edges on the curves which suggest it has been poorly scanned, or faxed,
or something like that.  I liked the silver worms screwing, but if you
are going to go for a shocking/disgusting cover, at least do it
properly.

 > It's getting to the point where I am really looking forward to the
 > coming days when all this pretentious typography and amateur
 > picture-snapping are thrown out the window and they bring back the
 > boring old image of a guy with an afro leaning against a wall with
 > a guitar slung over his shoulder, etc.

Or a "rap guy" holding up the band logo in a hothouse full of
cactuses...

 einexile the meek  wrote on Wed, 17 Apr 1996
 (Subject: seefeel vs disjecta)
 > I was thinking today, on the way home from buying Clean Pit & Lid
 > (or whatever the hell it's called?), that it's odd how no once
 > seems to care about Mark Clifford anymore simply because he's
 > changed the name of his solo project.  Seefeel did look to be
 > turning into just that, a solo project, and the rest of the band
 > appear to have been more or less sitting on their asses for the
 > last two years.

The other three are apparently going to release a couple of EPs on
their old label Too Pure, as Scala, and there will be a CD compiling
the EPs later on.  Seefeel are supposedly still a going concern, they
are just taking a bit of a break (have we heard that sort of thing
before?).

 > It took me so long to get Looking for Snags that I still don't have
 > it and am not sure I remember its exact title correctly.  I assumed
 > it wasn't a far cry out of Succour's way, mostly based on a very
 > good review I read some time ago.  (This review gained credibility
 > in my mind since Elvisa hated it.) Well now I've got Clean Pit &
 > Lid, I am seeing something of a change.  It's not that the music is
 > bad or that I'm not entertained or that Clifford no longer
 > possesses sinister vision.  It's that he really is copying other
 > artists now in a noticeable way, and he really is repeating himself
 > now rather than just borrowing and having a musical and stylistic
 > vocabulary.  This album is full of nice ideas and pleasant
 > atmospheres, and it's too soon for me to tell whether or not it is
 > a solid work or an obnoxious collection, but I do know that I'm
 > hearing a lot that I've heard before and I'm hearing a lot that
 > bores me.

My feeling about "Looking for Snags" (which seems to actually be called
"Program 1.0" or something similar, but LFS is the name most people have
adopted - it's a compilation of two EPs called "Here" and "LFS") was
that it was good, but not innovative - exactly what e is complaining
about.

 > Most glaring are the glaring Aphex Twin and mu-ziq references.
 > Sometimes I think the poor bastard is actually sampling from their
 > work.  It's no longer just that they inhabit the same universe (and
 > in all fairness Quique predated SAW2 and may be its equal) but they
 > are making the same points and in a way it's become almost
 > formulaic.  Clifford has obviously been a big fan of James and it's
 > my admittedly cursory and premature theory that I Care Because You
 > Do has baffled him and left him swimming in a soup of confusion
 > with nothing to draw from.  It's not that drawing from and being
 > influenced by are Bad Things, but if you love your sources too much
 > and try too hard to be original, you end up ripping them off
 > wholesale, and this is what I really see happening at the root.

That's the main problem with James, Paradinas, Vibert and their mates -
there's an obsession with creating new sounds, and the question of
whether the composition using them is interesting doesn't always occur
to them - much of "I care..." is carefully crafted, but some of it (and
most of the "Donkey Rhubarb" EP) is just monotonous banging away.  That
applies to the Disjecta mini-album, too (haven't heard the full-length
album yet).  And I have still to hear a mu-ziq track which makes me
think he's the genius others claim - plenty of "raw haddock being banged
against a bucket" sounds, but nothing lasts past the first few seconds.

 > Another Warp artist bites the dust.  What the hell is going on??

Don't, whatever you do, buy RAC's "Structures".  Like "Looking for
Snags" it is a double 12"/single CD deal, mid-price, nice Designers
Republic sleeve (clean lines and boxes), but the music is totally
uninspired.  As the sleeve suggests, it's clean, mechanical techno/IDM,
but there is no originality, nothing to hold your interest.  Like some
of the tracks of "Artificial Intelligence II" that you can never
remember how they sound even after listening to them several times.



--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 17/04/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Can - Soundtracks

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:14:00 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: HNIA


>Perhaps bluebell could chime in with specifics, but as far as i've been
>told, the new HNIA record will be out _sometime_ in may (i got up the
>courage to approach his warren-ness at a recent appearance, and that's
>what he was thinking).  The name of the record is "Stars on ESP".

That's out in June. There's a new EP out first, called 'Universal
Frequencies' (BAD 6007) on May the 13th.

Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:07:06 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Presidents, Bongwater

              <199604170441.AAA09674@jericho.american.edu>

Lysa wrote:

>Movin' to the country
>Gonna eat me a lot of peaches
>[etc.]

My (American) wife had to explain the significance of "Peaches" to me.  But
then she had to explain the significance of "Chicken Pussy" too.  Picture
the scene, we're on our first ever date and I invite her back to my flat
for dinner.  It's kinda dingy, out of sight of passers by and probably out
of earshot too.  Nobody knows she's there and she hardly knows me.  What do
I play?  Bongwater's "The Power of Pussy".

Somehow we get to discussing the lyric for "Chicken Pussy" and she has to
explain what it means.  I thought it might be something to do with
inter-species breeding, like the goat-sheep geep.  I'm dense.

Simon Hughes


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:10:40 -0400
From: liles melissa m (mmlile@FACSTAFF.WM.EDU)
Subject: Dead Can Dance


    Just recently, I believe, someone mentioned something about Dead
    Can Dance tour dates...My internet server has denied me access
    to the DCD web page/directory and I haven't seen them posted
    (whine, whine)...So, could someone post the tour dates please?!?
    Also, what is a direct internet address for DCD sites?  (I keep
    doing a search and it doesn't give full addresses...it used to
    hook me up but the gods have not been with me)
        One MAD Virgo,
        Melissa

    (I am specifically interested in mid-Atlantic U.S. dates, i.e.
        Washington D.C./Virginia etc.  THANKS!)


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 10:05:36 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: The Aphex Twin


Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM wrote:
>I picked up a copy of Classics by Aphex Twin. Not that I hate the stuff,
>but it seemed a
>tad repetitive and boring. Being my only exposure so far, I cannot assume
>that it is all like
>this. But I suppose it is. Yes, no, maybe? I did enjoy half the CD, but 76
>minutes drags on ......

Can't speak for "Classics", but his "Selected Ambient Works 2" is an
absolute masterpiece of weird mostly-ambient mood music & sounds. Every
track has a different feel to it (and for what it's worth, all but one
have little snapshots instead of words as titles.) Some are very
Eno-like, some Seefeel-like, some are spooky abandoned-factory
soundtracks, some are distant banging. One of my favorite ambient albums
ever.

>And e's comments on Mark Clifford sampling Aphex Twin scares me away from
>Seefeel.
>Or is that just the new Clifford?

Mostly just the new Clifford. Pick up Seefeel's "Polyfusia" first for a
good introduction -- their early sound we nailed down as being based on a
mixture of My Bloody Valentine, the Orb and Eno. Lots of swirly guitar
texture, heavy dub bass and those "ethereal female vox" we all love.

>Chris, not planning on going to a rave in the near future

Once you fill up on smart drinks and X it makes a lot more sense (he said
semi sarcastically). But if you have any curiosity left I can suggest you
check out Eat Static for some excellent non-repetitive techno...

__________                                             __________________
Jens Alfke                                             jens@mooseyard.com

to wound the autumnal city. So howled out to the world to give him a name.
                                                _________________________
                                                http://www.inow.com/~jens


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:49:00 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh! & Seefeel


On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Andrew Norman wrote:
> sound.  The music on the A-side sounds *exactly* like Iron Maiden, and
> the song isn't good enough to make it worth listening to

come on now! i really really like iron maiden
and i wil fight to the death to prove why they are
really a good band... and good musicians.
BTW e, i looked for my 3 maiden posters over christmas
but was really pissed when i couldnt find them!!

come on all you irons!

                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:44:38 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA

u>

On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, daniel klyn wrote:

> Perhaps bluebell could chime in with specifics, but as far as i've been
> told, the new HNIA record will be out _sometime_ in may (i got up the
> courage to approach his warren-ness at a recent appearance, and that's
> what he was thinking).  The name of the record is "Stars on ESP".

waren said ( i know that automatically discredits anything that follows)
last year that they will be doing 2 more albums... that was before
stars on ESP.. so from what i gathered, it sounds like you can expect
one more album after SoESP... to fill the "deal" i guess.


                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:38:43 -0400
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: seefeel vs disjecta


On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, einexile the meek wrote:
> no once seems to care
> about Mark Clifford anymore simply because he's changed the name of his
> solo project.

i care.

> Seefeel did look to be turning into just that, a solo
> project, and the rest of the band appear to have been more or less
> sitting on their asses for the last two years.

well if i recall correctly, seefeel as the band is
in fact sitting, but disjecta is doin its thing... and
the other 3/4 is doing a solo project... someone posted here
awhile ago about it. it sounds as if it should be out soon.

> I assumed it wasn't
> a far cry out of Succour's way, mostly based on a very good review I read
> some time ago.

your inclination was quite correct...
looking for snags is amazing. i really dislike succour and
i kicked my own arse trying to get it. but they are rather
similar in that they are more percussive in nature than other
bubbly warm seefeel tracks... disjecta is a little more quirky
and odd if you will. counter rythms that dont counter anything
but themselves.. drums that actually have melody... ect...
its all quite nice.

> (This review gained credibility in my mind since Elvisa
> hated it.)

thats pretty much how i determine things too.

> Another Warp artist bites the dust. What the hell is going on??

seefeel is on hiatus till the 3/4's of seefeel album comes out.
then back to the processed guis. i finally heard leif and was
mezmerized!! you can tell that they used guis and real drums (maybe).
i would have liked to see more of that. but id also not like
the dodo bird to be extinct.... guess we cant have everything. :)


                ---> [spiral]
                99lear@lab.cc.wmich.edu
ps. i agree belly are crap.

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 14:35:05 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA


eye have a little something on my new page about them. it's still quite
lame though. it'll be extra stong after my classes are done and i'll have
some extra time to work on them.
*************************************************

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:27:34 -0600
From: THX-1138 (flynn@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Aphex Twin

              "Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM" at Apr 17, 96 02:55:38 am

>
> I picked up a copy of Classics by Aphex Twin. Not that I hate the stuff,
> but it seemed a tad repetitive and boring. Being my only exposure so
> far, I cannot assume that it is all like this. But I suppose it is.
> Yes, no, maybe? I did enjoy half the CD, but 76 minutes drags on ....
>
> Chris, not planning on going to a rave in the near future
>

Having bought a ton of new techno as of late (lots of AFX, Mu-Ziq, Autechre,
and others along the same line), I went through the same thing with
_Classics_ as well as a few other disks friends had raved about.
I seem to find that a good way to assimilate albums that have this
initially bland impact is to listen to them passively...do something useful
while listening.  It'll creep into your subconscience.  It'll infest
your mind and soul.  You _will_ crave more.  Yes, despite being one
of the premire techno fellas on the planet, he's prone to the same
electronic pitfalls: repetition.  Being a hardcore junkie, I have
been working more ambient, less beaty stuff into my audiolarity
(audio-vocabularity.)  Aphex Twin is pretty diverse (IMLTHO).
Give him a lotta time if you wanna work the genre into your life.

Jeff
JTF/THX
flynn@colorado.edu

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:38:11 -0700
From: Selwyn Oh (selwyn@CSUA.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh!

u>

i think vaughan oliver has a knack for taking things that we would
normally find disgusting, and transforming them into something
beautiful.  it took me about a year to realize that the cover of In
Ribbons is actually a disected human torso. it looks more like candle
wax.  and there's this amorphous green mass on my shaving the pavement
t-shirt.  i haven't figured out what it is yet.  is it one of those
embryos?

selwyn

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:43:08 -0700
From: esp raincloud (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: HNIA

u>

> dan k.
> who still waits for the hnia 7" he payed for two months ago...

  from what ben has said to me, it seems warren is behind with the
  artwork. busy busy li'l bee, ya know....

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:41:29 -0600
From: THX-1138 (flynn@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cardigans

              16, 96 04:43:12 pm

>
> THE CARDIGANS "Life" (Minty Fresh)
> Another Swedish band! My wife discovered them on the radio and loves
> them. Tweepop isn't normally my thing but the Cardigans do a good
> balancing act of being cute but not _too_ cute...

Avoiding the pratfalls of Frente and some other all-too-cute bands,
this album _is_ a find.  A few catchy tracks grabbed me at first
(an easy task, since I'm more of a fem-vox fiend than I sometimes
feel I have control over.)  However, the album genuinely holds my
interest through multiple listenings.  (A task not so simple.  Like
most of you music junkies, I can appreciate and love an album to
seemingly no end, but I still need more more More MORE MORE MORE!!!)
Hell, Jens sums it up...

> Just happy bouncy pop music to jump around the room to. Wheee!
>
> __________                                             __________________
> Jens Alfke                                             jens@mooseyard.com
>

Although i'm sure it was covered well on this list, Glee Club is
usually my model band for being sickeningly underrated.  Not that
The Cardigan's _Life_ is of the same caliber, but I think that it
will slip by in fashion similar to the way _Mine_ passed by all
too many people.


Two cents or so...
Jeff
JTF/THX
flynn@colorado.edu

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:37:33 -0700
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc@IGC.APC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance


I too would be interested in DCD tour info and web page info, etc...
I live in Atlanta area but recently moved from D.C. area & would
go back in a flash to see them again at the Lisner or wherever!

Thanks,
   Carol Coney

P.S. The "Toward the Within" video is quite a bargain at $19.95
which I paid at Blockbuster Video here in Atlanta area. What a
great viewing and listening pleasure!


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:08:13 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: 4ad: But is it art?


>On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, einexile the meek wrote:
>
>> squid, the liver, yes the eyeballs...there were a lot morethan that. I'm
>> glad I forgot the others.
>
>
>the belly cover with the frozen eels??

And then there's the Breeders' "Pod":  blurry dancing man (Vaughan Oliver
himself posed) with a skinned eel strapped on to look like a huge penis...
I haven't seen the Belly cover.

Skin

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 09:56:30 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: HNIA


Mail*Link(r) SMTP               HNIA

Greetings fellow 4AD denizens,
  Thought maybe some of you could give me some info on what the future holds
for fans of His Name Is Alive (that is, if you can tear yourselves away from
the President's discussion).  Seems like it's been quite a while since MOUTH
BY MOUTH and KING OF SWEET came out.  I've been enjoying the various offerings
from Liquorice, but it's of course not the same.
  Also, is there a page dedicated to them on the web per chance?  Any other
info anybody feels like imparting, please do, and thanks.
--gary

>>

Well you seem to be out of touch with what's going on. I don't blame you
though. Well, the news is Warren and co. have finished recording and mixing
their latest album "Stars on ESP" and it should come out on 4AD in May-June
(UK then US).
Can't wait!!!!!

-nb-

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:13:17 -0600
From: wumberlog (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: austin listies


any austin listies that want to go to the bowery electric show at rice next
monday, email me, i'm driving and i have three extra seats as of now.

that is all.
.j.

---
joroses@mail.utexas.edu             http://piglet.cc.utexas.edu/~joanna

There are two major products to come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX.
Coincidence?

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:15:00 -0400
From: John Cellura (bcrayon@EN.COM)
Subject: gripe about the people at 4AD US


Since I have a few free moments, I'd like to bitch about the people who work
at 4AD Us. Here's the story:
Several weeks back I received a call from Rachel/Mojave about playing an
in-store set at my record shop in cleveland Oh.  She told me that they would
be playing here on May 6th and they'd like to do a set in the store late
that afternoon.  She also told me of a person to call at 4AD in LA to set it
up.  When I called this woman, she was quite disgusted because Mojave did
not "go through me first".  She then gave me some sort of bullshit "well I
don't know about this, I'll call you back".  Well she was also even more
unfazed when I told her that I don't report to soundscan and do not believe
in reporting top 10 sellers and the like to corporate magazines like CMJ.
Anyhow, I called yesterday since I had not heard back and was told right
away, "I'm afraid this will not be happening in your store", and then some
shit about soundscan again.
This is one of my many gripes about major labels.  They don't really care
about what the 'artist' wants to do because they feel that they know better.
Furthermore, she didn't have much of an answer for me when I told her that
my store probably outsold the Mojave cd and any other 4ad title 20 to 1
compared to the area Best Buy's.  I think that this is a real shame, as the
band wanted to pull this off (and I haven't given up as I'm working through
other channels right now), this would have given them additional exposure,
and it would have been a good time for those that would have shown up.
Well, I've rambled enough.

john/c
bent crayon records
bcrayon@en.com


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:16:49 -0500
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA


>
> Greetings fellow 4AD denizens,
>   Thought maybe some of you could give me some info on what the future holds
> for fans of His Name Is Alive (that is, if you can tear yourselves away from
> the President's discussion).  Seems like it's been quite a while since MOUTH
> BY MOUTH and KING OF SWEET came out.  I've been enjoying the various offerings
> from Liquorice, but it's of course not the same.
>   Also, is there a page dedicated to them on the web per chance?  Any other
> info anybody feels like imparting, please do, and thanks.
> --gary
>

you might want to check out a band called velour 100.  they just came
out with an album called "fall sounds" on tooth and nail records.
velour 100 features trey many on instruments and amon krist on vocals.
pretty nice stuff.  very droney stuff, almost like flying saucer
attack in places.  you can check out tooth and nail's homepage at...

     http://www.toothandnail.com

enjoy!
jason

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 14:03:15 -0700
From: "Karl V. Hallgrimsson" (karl.hallgrimsson@ASU.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Aphex Twin


What do you expect? In my humble opinion all techno music is repititive.
I think it is due to all of the loops.

On Wed, 17 Apr 1996 Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM wrote:

> I picked up a copy of Classics by Aphex Twin. Not that I hate the stuff, but i
 seemed a
> tad repetitive and boring. Being my only exposure so far, I cannot assume that
it is all like
> this. But I suppose it is. Yes, no, maybe? I did enjoy half the CD, but 76 min
tes drags on ......
>
> And e's comments on Mark Clifford sampling Aphex Twin scares me away from Seef
el.
> Or is that just the new Clifford?
>
> Chris, not planning on going to a rave in the near future
>

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:50:35 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Cardigans


THX wrote:
>Like most of you music junkies, I can appreciate and love an album to
>seemingly no end, but I still need more more More MORE MORE MORE!!!

According to their Web page -- whose URL I have at home but not here at
work, alas -- the non-Swedish releases of "Life" are actually cobbled
together from tracks from the original "Life" album and from their first
album. (And only the US release has "Happy Meal" as a bonus track.)
So it sounds as though the serious Cardigans completist needs to find the
Swedish imports of both albums, somehow...
Oh, and they've also done a cover of "Iron Man" that will be released as
a b-side soon. Wotta buncha nutters.

__________                                             __________________
Jens Alfke                                             jens@mooseyard.com

to wound the autumnal city. So howled out to the world to give him a name.
                                                _________________________
                                                http://www.inow.com/~jens

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:34:59 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance


>    Just recently, I believe, someone mentioned something about Dead
>    Can Dance tour dates...My internet server has denied me access
>    to the DCD web page/directory and I haven't seen them posted
>    (whine, whine)...So, could someone post the tour dates please?!?
>    Also, what is a direct internet address for DCD sites?  (I keep
>    doing a search and it doesn't give full addresses...it used to
>    hook me up but the gods have not been with me)
>        One MAD Virgo,
>        Melissa
>
>    (I am specifically interested in mid-Atlantic U.S. dates, i.e.
>        Washington D.C./Virginia etc.  THANKS!)
>
>

Here they are:


JUNE

      6th Antwerp, 7th Cologne, 9th Budapest, 11th Prague, 12th Munich, 14th
Frankfurt, 15/16th Paris, 18th
      Athens, 19th Thessaloniki, 21st Barcelona, 22nd Madrid, 24th Berlin,
25th Hamburg, 27th Amsterdam,
      30th London

JULY

      4th Istanbul, 10th Philadelphia, 11th Washington, 13/14th New York,
16th Boston, 18/19th Montreal,
      21st Toronto, 22nd Ann Arbor, Michigan, 24/25th Chicago, 26th
Minneapolis, 30th Santa Fe

AUGUST

      1st Boulder, 2nd Salt Lake City, 4th Vancouver, 6/7th Seattle, 9th
Portland, 11th San Francisco, 12th
      Los Angeles, 16th Austin, 17th Houston, 19th Atlanta, 21st Miami,
South American dates at end of
      August to be announced

Pepe

Still trying to figure out the 'greatness' of the Presidents of the United
States...


*************************************************
'The Picture you see, is no portrait of me...'
                                     NewOrder
*************************************************

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 18:16:44 -0400
From: Steven Holmes (sbholmes@ALPHA.DELTA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance


On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Jose A. Garcia Camil wrote:

> JULY
>
>       21st Toronto, 22nd Ann Arbor, Michigan, 24/25th Chicago, 26th
> Minneapolis, 30th Santa Fe

hello michigan...any idea where this will take place....and when
tickets will go on sale?
steve


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 14:21:59 -0700
From: Patrick Oltraver (seraphim@CTS.COM)
Subject: Record Convention and question....


Hello 4AD-Land!

There will be a record convention in LA (Actually, Universal City,) this
Sunday, April 21 from 10 AM to 4 PM.  The reasons I mention this are twofold:

1. This convention travels around southern California, and every time I
have went, I have seen numerous 4AD items for sale.. things you wouldn't
find elsewhere.

2. I myself will be renting a booth and would enjoy meeting up with any
local listies.

Also, I have seen two CDs down here in a store, and upon talking to the
manager (a man with little brains but lots of personality..), he said he
could hook me up for however many were needed if anyone on the list wants
one.  One is a Dead Can Dance CD containing the best tracks off of all of
the DCD bootleg tapes & CDs, and the other is a live radio broadcast of
Lisa Gerrard, a concert, I believe.  I'll be picking up my own sometime
this around the end of the month, if anybody wants one (Or both!), contact
me and I'll point you in the right direction.

The record convention will be a small one, but the items there
are well worth it.

If interested, the address is:

Universal Record Show
Beverly Garland Hotel
4222 Vineland Ave
Universal City, CA

Sorry to those who live nowhere near California, and thanks to those that
may come and guffaw at MY TATTOO located at the nape of my neck..

Mail me for directions.

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:33:56 +0700
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: Re: v23 - ugh! & Seefeel


At 11:57 AM 4/17/96 +0100, you wrote:
> einexile the meek  wrote on Wed, 17 Apr 1996
> (Subject: v23 - ugh!)
> > On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Andrew Norman wrote:
> >
> > > Scheer's "Wish You Were Dead" (BAD 6005) is out now, and it is
> > > AWFUL HEAVY METAL WANKING.
> >
> > I think I've come dangerously close to buying this album more times
> > than I've become dangerously close to buying any other album I will
> > regret buying.  Thank you, I think, for doing your part to pull me
> > back from the brink.
>
>WYWD is, of course, the single.  B-sides include "Hanging on the
>Telephone", I think I can probably imagine how atrocious that will
>sound.  The music on the A-side sounds *exactly* like Iron Maiden, and
>the song isn't good enough to make it worth listening to - I thought a
>couple of the tracks on "Schism" were actually pretty good except for
>the heavy metal guitar.

I picked up "Infliction" the other day, and there are some potentially good
songs on it.  There is a bit too much of that "heavy metal guitar," but it
is thankfully not present on all of the songs.  The last two songs (if I am
remembering correctly) are just the vocalist accompanied by an acoustic
guitar.  Scheer sounds, to me, like a harder version of Glee Club, which I
enjoyed a lot.  I really don't think that this disc is as bad as everyone is
expecting it to be (which the exception of the repulsive artwork, which
depicts and illustrates a presumably malignant melanoma in various stages of
its surgical removal).

Anyway, your mileage may vary.

Chad

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:59:42 -0700
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: Cocteau Milk and Kisses

u>

Just got my copy of the Cocteau Twins' Milk and Kisses in the "Limited
Edition Box"   All it really it is a multi-foldout digipack with a
magnetic closure.  It's kinda neat, but the artwork is similar(almost
identical) to the stuff on the Tishbite singles(you know, the wannabe v23
graphics).  It's supposed to be release in a couple of weeks, so my
advice is SAVE YOUR MONEY AND WAIT.  This doesn't quite cut the $25
asking price.

P.S.  Personally, I like the music, albeit a bit overproduced.

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:38:14 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: gripe about the people at 4AD US


>Since I have a few free moments, I'd like to bitch about the people who work
>at 4AD Us. Here's the story:

me, too.  i've been trying to get ahold of rob moore for almost three weeks
to get cd servicing for our campus paper.  he was never there, and didn't
return any of my calls.  i finally got him yesterday, only to have him tell
me that he's leaving at the end of the week and didn't have time to deal
with it (the other labels i've spoken to have taken care of everything in
one or two days).  he didn't know who his successor was going to be, so he
couldn't even refer me to someone else, just said, "call back in a few weeks
and they'll be able to help you. . ."

bruce at ipr, on the other hand, was VERY friendly and helpful.

rant mode off,

BiZ

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:43:46 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: loopy


>What do you expect? In my humble opinion all techno music is repititive.
>I think it is due to all of the loops.

i don't know if this is some kind of joke, or if it's serious, but not all
techno uses loops my friend (aphex twin doesn't even use that many from what
i've heard).  have you ever heard fsol or global communication?  both are
excellent, non-loopy bands that make a great intro to the "world" of techno
music.  i could go into all the different types, but that's tried-and-true
territory.  i just wanted to say that it's a bit silly to hear a bit of
techno and dismiss the entire genre as repetitive.  on the other hand, some
people just don't "get" it (this is not intended as a flame).

wondering,

BiZ

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 18:25:15 -0500
From: 500 (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: velour


>you might want to check out a band called velour 100.  they just came
>out with an album called "fall sounds" on tooth and nail records.
>velour 100 features trey many on instruments and amon krist on vocals.
>pretty nice stuff.  very droney stuff, almost like flying saucer
>attack in places.  you can check out tooth and nail's homepage at...

Oh yeah.. I was going to ask this quite a while back... Is Trey Many a
hardcore christian?  Because, as far as I know, tooth and nail is a
christian record label.  There is nothing wrong with it, I am just curious....

-z.


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 17:14:53 -0700
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: quik song id please


You wrote:
>
>Kind of a rocking song, sounds a lot like Filter, lots of minor chords
>and a very crunchy verse, lyrics have to do with accepting rejection.
>Does this sound familiar to anyone?
>
>Thanks,
>
>e the naive :(
>
not sure, could you hum a few bars?
euthelene

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 17:15:14 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: gripe about the people at 4AD US


I've always had difficulty with people at 4AD US.
At times Robb Moore seemed like a friendly sort of guy,
even chatty, but trying to get any sort of press promos,
even just pictures and bios, has been a disaster. I'm on their
mailing list, which apparently doesn't really mean anything,
because it's rare that I even get a mailing. At this point
it's just a random fax about every 2-4 months. I was starting
to think they just didn't give a shit about Dewdrops, so it's
good to hear these other stories. I've said it before:
I don't think 4AD pays any attention to their fans any more.
Maybe they feel they don't need to, like mass-marketing is the
only thing that matters to them now. And I'll bet Warner Bros.
is to blame.


|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 19:56:32 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: velour


On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, 500 wrote:

> >you might want to check out a band called velour 100.  they just came
> >out with an album called "fall sounds" on tooth and nail records.
> >velour 100 features trey many on instruments and amon krist on vocals.
> >pretty nice stuff.  very droney stuff, almost like flying saucer
> >attack in places.  you can check out tooth and nail's homepage at...
>
> Oh yeah.. I was going to ask this quite a while back... Is Trey Many a
> hardcore christian?  Because, as far as I know, tooth and nail is a
> christian record label.  There is nothing wrong with it, I am just curious....
>
> -z.
>
tooth and nail also is home to some really good bands. home to some really
bad ones too, but some good ones non-the-less. i like starflyer 59 and the
velour is super keen. i especially like seeing them live with just trey on
geeeetars and amon singing. they set up low (a minnesota band on vernon
yard) once and i thought it one of the best times that i ever ventured
outdoors. they also played at time stereo's holiday pops fest that hnia
headlined. oh, and they also played the detroit date of the liquorice
show. they are quite good. i mentioned them before on this list. i don't
think trey is "hardcore" christian. velour does sound spiritual, so does
hnia, cocteau twins, dead can dance, this mortal coil, and other bands on
4AD. i find it not like christian rock, in your face pat buchanan for
president kind of muzik. their spirituality is as subtle as their muzik.
************************************************************************
                        "spirit needs the spiritual" - hnia
************************************************************************
star vein
************************************************************************


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 19:32:05 -0500
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: gripe about the people at 4AD US


I remember when Wolfgang Press played an in-store at Waterloo in Austin,
the whole thing was ineptly organized to the point of being shameful,
and I really felt for the band, who were clearly so disgusted with the
crappy PA and worse promotion that they obviously couldn't wait to get
the set over with and get out of the whole embarrassing predicament. To
quote their manager: "A record company couldn't organize a piss-up in a
brewery!"

What's saddest about this is that ten years ago this kind of bullshit
would never have been a problem, most likely, with 4AD. It's only now
that they're another faceless head on the Time/Warner media-hydra that
they've adopted this "we don't give a fuck...what's that?...a good
idea?...fire that person!" attitude. And their new bands all suck. Bye
bye, Ivo.

Martin

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 20:43:39 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: TMC box


Does anyone know how many copies of the This Mortal Coil box set were made?  I
can only assume they are no longer in production, as I see fewer and fewer
copies as time passes.  Thanks,
--gary

Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:03:31 +1000
From: Geoff Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: Pale Saints


G'day,

  I have the second Pale Saints cd "In Ribbons". I like it, but it hasn't
become one of my 'top ten' discs just yet. Maybe after a few more listens...

  Anyway, I was wondering if anyone could tell me about their other
releases / side projects, etc.

Thanks,

Geoff.


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 21:06:22 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Presidents vs. Lush


I think the original poster was confused;  what he clearly really
meant to say was

STONE TEMPLE PILOTS RULE LUSH SUCKS

in which case I have to admit I understand the sentiment :)

moran@hal-pc.org

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 21:31:44 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: first (and last) auction update


Hi

I wasn't going to bother the list with this. Trust me, it's the last time
you'll see it as a mass-mail thing. But a lot of people haven't gotten back
to me with definite bids, and I'd like to wrap the whole thing up soon. So
here's a last chance.

Get 'em while they last, people.

(I reserve the right to withdraw an item if there isn't substantial
interest...blah,blah,blah)

Heidi Berry - Love (uk)                             $8.00 (c)
Heidi Berry - Heidi Berry                         - no bid -
Cranes - Self/Nonself 12"                        - no bid -
Danielle Dax - Dark Adapted Eye             - no bid -
Lovesliescrushing - Bloweyelashwish        $10.00 (a)
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless                $8.00 (b)
Rachel's - Music for Egon Schiele             $9.00 (d)
Ride - Chelsea Girl EP                            - no bid -
Ride - Play EP                                       - no bid -
Ride - Fall EP                                        - no bid -
Rollerskate Skinny - Horsedrawn Wishes  - no bid-
Seefeel - Polyfusia (first two EPs)             $10.00 (a)
Slowdive - Just for a Day                          $8.00 (b)
V/A - Ambient Extractions 2 (HNIA,etc)     $10.00 (a)

E-mail me if you want to add or raise a bid. E-mail me with any questions,
too.
Now it's back to the shadows for da Guerilla...

GuerillaG
...who has to disagree with the recent RAC slam. "Structures" is excellent
electronica.

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 21:06:22 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: A little auction


I'm selling a few cds, mostly from the 4ad label.

Please note:  All cds are imports, all are eps except for the Belly
_King_ cd, and all are near mint except for Orbital which is very
good.

1.  Belly _Now They'll Sleep_ EP -- "Now They'll Sleep" / "Thief"
/ "Baby's Arm" / "John Dark"  cat. no. BAD 5003 CD

2. Belly _King_ CD.  cat. no. CAD D 5004 CD.  This is the import
deluxe version, coming in a "book" about 8.5" x 6" with lyrics for
all the songs and purty pictures and other artwork (nothing gross,
for those of you concerned about v23's tendency to disturb).

What can I say; e is, of course, right.

3. Lush _Single Girl_ EP (Disc One) -- "Single Girl" / "Tinkerbell" /
"Outside World" / "Cul de Sac" cat. no. BAD 6001 CD

4. Lush _Single Girl_ EP (Disc Two) -- "Single Girl" / "Pudding" /
"Demystification" / "Shut Up"  cat. no. BAD D 6001 CD

It seems Stone Temple Pilots do Lush better than Lush does.  Bid on
both and SAVE!!! :)

5. Orbital _III_ EP -- "Satan" / "L.C. 1" / "Belfast"   ffrr   cat.
no. FCD149 or LC7654 or BA940 (take your pick, I suppose; they're all
on there).  I believe that _III_ is the correct name for this (out of
print?) ep.  The cover is sky blue, with III in black on a red
circle, with three small red circles below, each with a little symbol
in it.

6. Scheer _Schism_ EP -- "Sometimes" / "You Said" / "Baby Size" /
"Take You Anywhere"  cat. no. BAD 5012 CD

There you go.  That's all.  Submit your bid (postage not inlcuded)
to me, moran@hal-pc.org, and not the list.  Those who submit
bids will recieve email from me detailing the current bids, once a
day (or more if necessary) until the bidding ends, next Fri (April
26th) at 10:00 pm Central Daylight Time.

Thank you

moran@hal-pc.org

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 17:04:57 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Repetition [Re: The Aphex Twin]


Karl V. Hallgrimsson opines:
>What do you expect? In my humble opinion all techno music is repititive.
>I think it is due to all of the loops.

Well, there are different kinds of repetitiveness. The type we're used to
in Western popular music repeats on a larger scale, i.e. the typical
"verse chorus verse chorus" thing. Techno is just repetitive on a shorter
timescale, with all those sequences and loops. However, good techno is
very non-repetitive on the larger scale since it's constantly introducing
new elements and morphing the existing ones around -- listen to a few
seconds of a pieces of techno that are located several minutes apart in
the original piece and they may sound very different (apart from the beat
substrate.)
To keep plugging them, Eat Static's "Abduction" is an excellent example
of this. Every ten seconds or so they throw in some new sounds and loops,
so the songs have quite a progression over time.
Seefeel are another good example, on their good days; "Climactic Phase 3"
off of "Quique" isn't actually repetitive at all since the dozens of
loops it's built from are all of different lengths, so the true
repetitition time is the product of all their lengths. It keeps doing
similar things, but if you listen you can hear all the loops going in and
out of phase producing different melodies and sounds.
Steve Reich, Philip Glass and Terry Riley have also done a lot with these
ideas in the more "classical" genre of music. Reich's "Variations" is
very, very repetitive if you listen to the riff the wind instruments are
playing, but it mutates over time and the rest of the orchestra goes
through these very, very slowly building chord changes that take the
entire 20-minute piece to resolve.

__________          ___________________          ________________________
Jens Alfke          OpenDoc Optimizator          jens@apple.com     [work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

to wound the autumnal city. So howled out to the world to give him a name.
                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens


Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:17:12 -0400
From: IVSONGS@AOL.COM
Subject: 4AD VINYL AUCTION


Hello all!

Auction time again! And for those interested in all things vinyl, this
auction will hopefully provide you with some much sought after 4AD goodies.

The items listed are separated by artist and include information on format
(7", 12" or LP). Unless otherwise noted, all items are M or M-. Information
on bidding to follow...

As I am only administering this auction, all inquiries about items should be
directed towards .

And as well-I think it goes without saying at this point-all bids should be
directed to me  and not the list.

Good luck,

Roy

--------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

THE WOLFGANG PRESS:

- Burden of Mules LP; BAD 308
- Scarecrow 12" (out of print); BAD 409
- Water 12" (out of print); BAD 502
- Sweatbox 12" (out of print); BAD 506
- The Legendary Wolfgang Press...LP; BAD 514
- Standing Up Straight LP; CAD 606
- Big Sex 12"; BAD 702
- King of Soul 12" (out of print); BAD 804
- Birdwood Cage LP; CAD 810
- Kansas 12"; BAD 902
- Raintime 12"; BAD 907
- Mama Told Me Not To Come 12"; BAD 1007

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

COCTEAU TWINS

- Garlands LP); CAD 211
- Head Over Heels LP; CAD 313
- The Spanglemaker 12"; BAD 405
- Treasure LP c/w Aikea Guinea 12"; BAD 412
- Tiny Dynamine 12" Gatefold; BAD 510
- The Pink Opaque import LP; CAD 513
- Victorialand LP (vinyl out of print); CAD 602
- Blue Bell Knoll LP; CAD 807
- Interview Picture Disk; non 4AD


...WITH HAROLD BUDD

- Moon and the Melodies LP(vinyl out of print); CAD 611

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

VARIOUS

- Lonely Is An Eyesore LP; CAD 703

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

THIS MORTAL COIL

- It'll End In Tears LP; CAD 411
- Drugs 10" (limited, rare, out of print); BAD 608
- Filigree and Shadow Double LP; DAD 609

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

PETER NOOTEN & MICHAEL BROOK

- Sleeps With the Fishes LP; CAD 710

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

THROWING MUSES

- Hunkpapa LP; 4AD; CAD 901
- Dizzy 12"; 4AD; BAD 903
- Not Too Soon 12"; BADC 1015

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

MARRS

- Pump Up the Volume 12"; BAD 707
- Pump Up the Volume 12" (green); BAD 707R
- Pump Up the Volume 12"; non 4AD, 4th and Broadway

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

THE BIRTHDAY PARTY

- The Bad Seed LP; CAD 301
- Release the Bats 12"; BAD 307

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

XMAL DEUTSCHLAND

- Qual 12"; BAD 305
- Incubus Succubus II 12"; BAD 311
- Matador 12"; non 4AD

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

PIXIES

- Gigantic 12"; BAD 805
- Monkey Gone To Heaven 12"; BAD 904
- Here Comes Your Man 12"; BAD 909

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

ULTRA VIVID SCENE

- She Screamed 12"; BAD 806
- Mercy Seat 12"; BAD 906
- Staring at the Sun 12"; BAD 0004

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

LUSH

- Scar Mini LP; JAD 911
- Mad Love 12"; BAD 0003
- Spooky (limited edition gatefold 10"); BADD 2001

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

BELLY

- Now They'll Sleep 12"; BAD 5003
- Seal My Fate 12" Promo; BAD 5007

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

COLOURBOX

- Punch 12"; BAD 406
- Colourbox LP (w/ Japanese Women/Fruit label cover); CAD 508

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

RICHENEL

- L'Esclave Endormi 12" (out of print); BAD 601

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

AR KANE

- Lollita 12" (out of print); BAD 704

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

PALE SAINTS

- Barging into the Presence of God 12"; BAD 910
- Comforts of Madness LP (vinyl out of print); CAD 0002

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

MODERN ENGLISH

- Life In The Gladhouse 12" (out of print); CAD 0002

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

BAUHAUS

- 4AD 12"; BAD 312

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

SCHEER

- Schism CDEP (autographed); BAD 5012
- Shea 12" Promo; Scheer2
- Shea CDEP Promo

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

*ALL BIDS MUST BE SUBMITTED PRIVATELY TO:
IV SONGS@aol.com

*Auction will run for an as yet undetermined length of time. Further details
will be posted to participants.

* reserves the right to refuse bids.

*Winners who fail to make payment on items will forfeit the item to the next
highest bidder.

*Postage (starting at 2 pounds sterling) at must be paid by winning bidder.

*All participants with contending bids will be updated as necessary.

That's All Folks! (As if it wasn't enough...).

Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:31:10 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: TMC box


Probably 4AD's usual "extremely limited edition" of 10,000.  That seems to be
the number they usually use...

marvyn


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