Subject: Throwing Chains
Subject: Re: Miki shaves the pavement but not her pits!
Subject: the sun and the moon and the moon and the moon and the moon and
Subject: Claire Grogan
Subject: Re: stereolab comes to madtown
Subject: Rachel's/Lush/ugly bastard from Oasis
Subject: Re: Hidden Tracks?
Subject: The Cocteau twins contest....
Subject: Re: Miki shaves the pavement but not her pits!
Subject: Re: Rachel's/Lush/ugly bastard from Oasis
Subject: Re: Hidden Tracks?
Subject: Lovelife at last
Subject: Re: Throwing Chains
Subject: Get chur used CDs here...pipping hot!
Subject: Re: Rachel's/Lush/ugly bastard from Oasis
Subject: Re: Hidden Tracks?
Subject: Re: Hidden Tracks?
Subject: 'Shaving Kit' tracks?
Subject: Re: Hidden Tracks and DCD Tour Dates
Subject: Re: New Cocteau Album
Subject: Re: Hidden Tracks?
Subject: Re: Questions...
Subject: Re: New Cocteau Album
Subject: Re: Jessamine
Subject: Third Eye Foundation (Re: Hidden Tracks?)
Subject: Jessamine (was Re: Questions...)
Subject: Lush interview transcript
Subject: Re: Hidden Tracks?
Subject: Cocteaus Back Catalogue In Very Brief
Subject: Re: Banshees...burn in hell!
Subject: Re: Lovelife at last
Subject: Lush at the Wed. Whiskey in LA, any one got extra tickets\
Subject: Re: Shaving Seattle last night
Subject: Lush/ugly bastard from Oasis/Tablatures
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 01:41:42 -0700
It has been rumoured that Rykodisc is planning to reissue "Throwing
Muses" (CAD607) along with "Chains Chained" (BAD701) on one CD sometime
soon with yet even more bonus tracks! Could this be true, one wonders...
- jeff via [email protected]
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 09:07:26 +0100
On Sun, 14 Apr 1996 20:39:02 -0700 "Scott, Mari & Brian"
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 01:59:07 -0700
the moon and the moon and the moon
On Sun, 14 Apr 1996 [email protected] wrote:
> > (I hate hidden tracks.)
>
> I'm telling Lynn and Henry what you said!
The joke's on you; those are the actual albums. :) The nonsense in front
of them is just extra stuff; think of it as a really long intro.
Besides, Lynn and Henry don't actually exist; they are pseudonyms for
Sarah McLachlan and Dave Fielding.
(Speaking of bands that don't exist, did the new Area ever come out?)
e
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 10:41:54 BST
Someone recently asked what Claire Grogan is doing these days. She's just
started presenting on the British VH1 cable channel.
Ob. 4Ad: Um er, um er, Claire Grogan taught Ivo French at school.
Simon Hughes
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 06:38:34 -0400
to the listies and the boy in zinc...
listen to the two cornershop records. they are quite tasteee. the first is
on merge (mac and laura from superchunk's nice label) and the other is on
a big kahuna of a label.
can someone tell me if this is a full-fledged tour by stereolab or what?
r they coming to detroit?
i know they are not 4AD, but who cares? they're good enough.
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star vein
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 06:29:25 -0400
>it has to be one of the best discs to be released in the last ten years.
>the packaging is just amazing. it includes pictures from the underrated
>german artist, egon schielle
Egon Schiele was Austrian. You'd know that if you'd actually read what was
on that amazing packaging ;)
> Emma = nice (She reminds me of Sandra Bullock)like the kinda
> woman who you'd want to be your girlfriend. Normal, you
> can take her home to meet the family.
>
...although I think Emma is different from Sandra Bullock in that she
doesn't lie about her age (SB turned 30 only last year? Don't think so!).
I'm afraid there's nothing thislisty on Creation anymore...
>Has anyone seen the UK sitcom Mr. Bean? Doesn't Noel Gallager look like him?
A bit. He looks more like the chauffeur from the Thunderbirds.
Larry
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 07:05:51 -0400
eye believe the red house painters had a hidden track. is that right?
unrest has had hidden tracks but that's not 4ad...
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star vein
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 04:47:42 -0700
working late into the early hours, your humble cocteau twins webmaster
brings you the first cocteau twins contest! so, check out the damn thing
and make it worth my time ; ) maybe you can win a copy of milk and kisses
if you can ask those really hard trivia questions.....
ciao..
jack b huynh
[email protected]
http://www.cocteautwins.com/treasure
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 07:15:50 -0400
On Sun, 14 Apr 1996, Scott, Mari & Brian wrote:
> >And, I don't think you have that english woman thing is all right
> >[just where in the fuck do you get your information from?].
>
> I get my English information from:
>
> Bravo
> Monty Python's Flying Circus
>
>
> >Lush is so fuckin great the way they are that if they ever decide to
> >split up, it wouldn't have the same effect.
>
> What effect?!?!?!?
>
> >okay, you are the Miki of the 4ad list. I can't believe I put my
> >beloved Miki like that!!
>
> Here's the problem. You refer to Miki as "My beloved". You obviously
> think you own her, you need help sir:) And what are you getting upset
> for!?!?! I didn't put down their music, it rules! I suggest you all go
> out and buy Bobby Mcferins (SP?) "Don't Worry be happy" You need it.
>
> I think I'm going to go to the L.A. show, jump on stage with an
> electric razor and shave Miki's pits, while I'm at it I think I'll get
> Emma's too.
>
> To all the other posts:
>
> I really don't care who shaves what! How come everyone is getting so
> damn tight about some stupid armpit comment? Unreal!
>
> Brian
>
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it is called "shaving the pavement" tour.......
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:29:13 -0400
larry,
you must chill out. it was a simple oversight. i don't think
flaming was in order there. i have many books on egon and know very well
that he was austrian. one could even say that he is still austrian, but
quite dead. quite austrian and quite dead.
EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE THAT EGON LEO ADOLF SCHIELE (yup the expressionist
artist who died at the very young age of twenty eight) IS AND ALWAYS HAS
BEEN AUSTRIAN!!!!!!!
for more correct and informative information about the austrian egon
leo adolf schiele (not the german egon schiele) check out:
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star vein (american)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:53:21 +0100
"[suppressed]" at Apr 14, 96 05:29:23 pm
>
> Can anyone recall any hidden tracks off of 4AD stuff off the top of their
> head? The only hidden tracks I've ever heard are Danzig's Mother '93 and
> Sarah McLaughlin's Possession. Asking in case I missed anything.
Red House Painters' Shock Me single has a hidden instrumental track (very
nice it is too) and also Ocean Beach has one which I've seen referred to
somewhere as 'Brockwell Park Reprise' or something like that.
Just remembered as well. The Half Life EP by Pale Saints has a really
spooky kind of spoken word track hidden on the B-side of the vinly version.
I seem to remember that you had to make the record jump to play it.
That's all off the top of my head
Simon
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 06:33:43 PDT
I've finally seen the damn thing here (South Africa) and bought it. And I'm glad
I did,
although it is very different to Scar, Spooky, Mad Love etc. But that doesn't me
n
anything really detrimental. Pop maybe, good yes. There rally are some goodies i
there:
Childcatcher, 500, Ciao! and of course Ladykillers.
Is there any difference between the US and the UK release? I bought the first co
y I saw
and it turned out to be a US release. Murphy's law gave me a UK release in the
ery next
shop. I normally buy the UK releases because they have the original CAD000X cata
ogue
numbers, where the US release have different numbers by Warner, Sire, Relative??
But as long as there is not a major difference I will stay calm
By the way, couldn't see the rap guy on the cover. A lot of cactuses and some du
e with
a lush sign :)
Chris
Becoming a lush listening to lush
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:33:07 +0000
Jeff wrote:
> It has been rumoured that Rykodisc is planning to reissue "Throwing
> Muses" (CAD607) along with "Chains Chained" (BAD701) on one CD sometime
> soon with yet even more bonus tracks! Could this be true, one wonders...
I had heard something even better: that the reissue would be the
_Chains Changed_ EP coupled with stuff from their 1985 tapes. That
would be quite the tasty treat.
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 09:19:22 -0500
Autechre CD Anvil Vapre EP
$8ppd 8-Apr-1996 [email protected]
Bjork Post
$8 ppd 12-Apr-1996 [email protected]
Chapterhouse Blood Music
$8 ppd 12-Apr-1996 [email protected]
Fields of the Nephelim The Nephelim
$8 ppd 12-Apr-1996 [email protected]
Laika Silver Apples of the Moon
$8 ppd 12-Apr-1996 [email protected]
Rollerskate Skinny CD Horsedrawn Wishes
$7 8-Apr-1996 [email protected]
Scheer Infliction
$8 12-Apr-1996 [email protected]
I am not selling these. The addresses under each CD is where you should
direct your "reply/to". These are from the Used CD list and I am simply
forwarding the info so I don't know anything about these folks.
marvyn
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 09:24:48 -0600
Somebody wrote:
>>Has anyone seen the UK sitcom Mr. Bean? Doesn't Noel Gallager look like him?
No.....the guy who looks like Mr. Bean is the Oasis bass player, Paul
McGuigan....right down to the facial expressions!
---Xantha
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:03:52 -0400
that spooky spoken word Pale Saint track is also on Mrs Dolphin where it
is not hidden.
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:07:47 -0700
mbdtssv wrote:
>
> >
> > Can anyone recall any hidden tracks off of 4AD stuff off the top of their
> > head? The only hidden tracks I've ever heard are Danzig's Mother '93 and
> > Sarah McLaughlin's Possession. Asking in case I missed anything.
> Well, there is a couplea tracks on the Pixies' Surfer Rosa.
They are just dialogue, not really songs. They screw up the songs' order
listed on the back, so I suppose they could be considered "hidden."
That's all that comes to mind.
Chris M.
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:47:25 -0400
What are the tracks on the 'Shaving Kit' CD?
Is this something that was available to buy at the shows? If so, how much was
it?
Thanks,
Tom Homulka
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 15:27:16 -0400
there's a hidden track on 'mai pen rai' also, and i dunno who does it.
btw. there's a spicey bit of info on the new dcd record posted on the
official dcd site, and---check this---tour dates for the usa.
fuckin psyched cuz they're playin in my hometown of annarbor michigan,
dan k.
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:35:43 GMT
On Sun, 14 Apr 1996 13:47:06 -0700, joel wrote [re Milk&Kisses ltd
> i talked to someone at siren disc a while back, and they said that there
>are no bonus tracks, simply the limitd. edition packaging - whatever that
>means.
IT MEANS $$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!
This "Let's vacuum the insides of our fans' wallets" routine is
getting a bit much.
Paul,
whose wallet is no slut.
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:33:38 CST
>eye believe the red house painters had a hidden track. is that right?
>unrest has had hidden tracks but that's not 4ad...
>**************************************************************************
and dog bones, too. . .i believe several of the other retail samplers have
hidden tracks. . .then there's "the colour of the sky" on pale saints'
half-life ep -- only hidden on the vinyl, tho. neat trick.
the new third eye foundation blows my mind. . .some of the coolest stuff
i've bought in a long time. . .best of '96 so far? review forthcoming later
tonight or in the wee hours of tuesday. . .
ttfn,
BiZ
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 15:32:11 -0400
Does anybody know:
1.) how I can get a hold of either of the recent Deleuze tribute comps.
'folds & rhizomes'on sub rosa or 'in memoriam' on mille plateaux?
2.) how much has jessamine released? I've only seen a 7" called your head
is so small. Do they have other stuff and is any of it on cd?
also a review of this band would be great. (ie what do they sound like?
NOT 'i hate them because of xy or z' ... simply what do they do?)
3.) a discography for Michael Brook. I know this is hard because he
produces a lot of other artists, I'm not as interested in those as the
stuff he has billed to his name or collaboratively.
thanks in advance for being such helpful do gooders
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 15:15:21 -0500
At 05:35 PM 4/15/96 GMT, you wrote:
>On Sun, 14 Apr 1996 13:47:06 -0700, joel wrote [re Milk&Kisses ltd
>
>> i talked to someone at siren disc a while back, and they said that there
>>are no bonus tracks, simply the limitd. edition packaging - whatever that
>>means.
>
>IT MEANS $$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!
>
>This "Let's vacuum the insides of our fans' wallets" routine is
>getting a bit much.
>
>Paul,
>whose wallet is no slut.
>Paul
your wallet may not be a slut, but mine is a cheap ho'. itll give it up
for any cocteau twin single/album, super deluxe double limited edition,
whatever that means. Just called Reckless Records here in chicago, import M
and K will be out tomorrow night! OH WHY DID I PREORDER IT! Oh well, i can
just go check out how it looks.
Ernesto (who's preferred name for Milk and Kisses is Mandy K)
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:26:57 -0700
Jos. Burns asked:
>2.) how much has jessamine released? I've only seen a 7" called your head
>is so small. Do they have other stuff and is any of it on cd?
>also a review of this band would be great. (ie what do they sound like?
>NOT 'i hate them because of xy or z' ... simply what do they do?)
There's a self-titled album on Kranky. I have it on CD thanks to Gil.
It's kinda droney psychedelic stuff with organ and fuzztone guitar,
veering sometimes into Can-like weirdness; pleasant, but it doesn't turn
me on the way Bowery Electric does. The chick on the cover is quite
babe-alicious though in a Louise Brooks kind of way, he said in a
heartfelt yet not sexist tone of voice.
__________ __________________
Jens Alfke [email protected]
to wound the autumnal city. So cried out for the world to give him a name.
_________________________
http://www.inow.com/~jens
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 15:32:19 -0500
the boy in zinc wrote:
> the new third eye foundation blows my mind. . .some of the coolest stuff
> i've bought in a long time. . .best of '96 so far? review forthcoming later
> tonight or in the wee hours of tuesday. . .
Hear, hear, BiZ, 'Semtex' is pretty damned amazing stuff. I picked up my copy t
is
past weekend, and that disc has been more or less on repeat since this morning o
the discman. If stuff like this truly is the shape of dreampop to come, then I
guess I might not feel too bad about all the old-school shoegazers either
(a) disappearing outright or (b) reinventing themselves to sad oblivion.
For all you Austin listies, I got my copy at 33 Degrees - give them a call
(476-7333) and see if they have any more copies. (Plug! Plug! Plug!)
On a slight tangent, also picked up the new Lilys single this weekend, and all I
have to say is "Saw whaaaaaaat?" Sounds like Kurt has gone off the retro-pop de
p
end, and despite the fact that this record is yet another sharp stylistic swerve
from this previous recordings, the single doth kick mighty hiney. I wonder if M
.
Heasley has been swapping Love bootlegs with Mr. Ralske.
hk
--
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"'cos you're the latest hotshot britpop poet laureate..." - stephen duffy
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 15:32:57 -0500
Joseph Burns wrote:
> 2.) how much has jessamine released? I've only seen a 7" called your head
> is so small. Do they have other stuff and is any of it on cd?
> also a review of this band would be great. (ie what do they sound like?
> NOT 'i hate them because of xy or z' ... simply what do they do?)
Jessamine have a CD out on Kranky, and that has to be one of the most
beautifully packaged releases evah. It's so beautiful, I bought the LP for
the artwork and the CD for the extra tracks (the respective a-sides of the two
7"s that preceeded the LP). They also have a track on an out-of-print
7"/zine, _Emily's #777_, and they're also on a 10" EP tribute record of the
Silver Apples.
Their major sonic weapon of choice is the analog oscillator (i.e. Moog),
although also notable is the use of dreamy girlvox and the buzzy wallops of
guitar. At times they sound like Stereolab on drano, a less swirly MBV, and
post-Barrett, pre-'Dark Side'-era Pink Floyd. Cool does not even begin to
describe the brilliance that is Jessamine.
Word has it there is a new double-lp in the works. Rejoice, rejoice. ;)
hk
--
[email protected] | [email protected] | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
"'cos you're the latest hotshot britpop poet laureate..." - stephen duffy
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 15:02:17 -0700
If anyone is interested, the transcript of the IRC chat interview
with Miki and Emma last week is available on the Web. Check out:
You can find it from there. It's a moderately interesting iview.
BTW, The "other" Brian's comments about armpit shaving were related
to that interview where it comes up more than once. In his defence,
I believe his comments were an inneffective attempt at sarcasm
(ineffective since most 4AD-Lers haven't read the iview!)
As for the apparent differences in Emma and Miki's personality, I
think a great deal of it is inflicted by their fans and interviewers.
Miki is asked if she is an "Asian role model". Nobody asks Emma
if she is a "Brunette role model" or a "White, middle-class British
role model". At concerts, people yell "Miki! Show us your tits!".
I've never heard similar comments addressed to Emma. Miki likes
a pint and likes the Spurs even more, so she is treated in a laddish
fashion and acts laddish in response. But something tells me that
if Emma was treated the same way as Miki has been, she would be
similarly abrasive.
BTW, as for Miki's similarity to Pinky, ironically enough, I happen
to own a copy of Graham Greene's _Brighton Rock_ with Miki's
signature in it. I got her autograph in Brighton and all I had on
me was a copy of the book. She signed it: "Great book! Miki (Pinky)"
Reality
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 18:08:26 -0500
>mbdtssv wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Can anyone recall any hidden tracks off of 4AD stuff off the top of=
their
>> > head? The only hidden tracks I've ever heard are Danzig's Mother '93=
and
>> > Sarah McLaughlin's Possession. Asking in case I missed anything.
The one at the end of disc 2 of Lilliput: A thousand stars burst open (Pale
saints). There=B4s also one at the end of Scheer=B4s Schism (don=B4t know=
the name
for it).
Pepe
(listening to Circling Girl while I wait for the release of Milk &=
Kisses...)
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'The Picture you see, is no portrait of me...'
NewOrder
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 16:10:00 PDT
>
>On Sat, 13 Apr 1996, Scott, Mari & Brian wrote:
>
>> Listen I've seen some inexpensive CT cds in my local used music
>> store. Now I didn't like "Heaven or Las Vegas" or "Ice Blink Luck"
>
>***what? do you have the same ear canals leading to your brain? how can
>you dislike heaven or las vegas?***
>
>> I was wondering if those two were typical of all their previous work or
>> what.
>
>yup, they are typical of their work. they're all good. well, you most
>likely won't like them... hey, i don't get it???
Ahem, je m'excuse, mais the correct answer is "no, not really." As one of
the resident "old school" CT fans, it is of course my duty to point this
out. I think HoLV is OK, pretty good even, but it doesn't come close to
touching the brilliance of previous work IMO. (I sed it before, an I'll say
it again...) But it's all relative. i.e.:
If you, Scott, Mari, and / or Brian, like "Four Calendar Cafe," then you may
want to take my recommendation for early CT as an anti-recommendation. Or
not. Point is, I can't stand FCC, and that's where I'm coming from.
So, yes HoLV is like previous work _compared to FCC_... but if you compare
just HoLV to the prior catalogue, it is much different. Brighter, basically
poppier. Earlier CT goes from gorgeous velvety near-ambient ("Victorialand")
to Shadowy-textured surreal songs of beautiful melancholy ("Treasure," etc.)
to head-spinning whirlwind guitar ("Garlands")...
That's in reverse chrono-order...
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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:48:33 -0700
>
> >Actually, what about The Creatures? This doesn't tell me
> >if Siouxsie and Budgie are still together.
>
The Creatures will begin recording a new album soon.
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 18:17:32 -0700
>By the way, couldn't see the rap guy on the cover. A lot of cactuses
>and some dude with a lush sign :)
Rap Guy!?!?!?!?!?!? Oh so just because he's black means he's a rap guy!
Just kidding :)
Brian
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 18:20:11 -0700
I am looking for a ticket to the above mentioned gig. ANyone got an extra
ticket they care to part with? I have an extra one for their sold out
show a month later that I would swap. well contact me if so.
Brett