4ad-l Mail for 04-13-1996

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Subject: Re: where to get 4AD posters, t-shirts?
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:35:02 -0400
From: Athol ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Shaving Vancouver last night
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:40:34 -0400
From: Joseph Burns ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Laika & Moonshake [was: Some reviews]
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:17:26 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" ([email protected])
Subject: Robin Guthrie in 'Guitar Player'/dancing/Chris and Cosey/Alanis
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 21:07:00 CDT
From: Lysa Bellott ([email protected])
Subject: Re: 'need a little more beautifulnoise in your life? (another s
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:40:20 +0000
From: Jason Wintz ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Shaving Vancouver last night
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 16:43:37 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Rachel's help - a little late.
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:25:26 -0400
From: bruce levenstein ([email protected])
Subject: Re: speaking of grocery stores..
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:25:44 -0800
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: Re: speaking of grocery stores..
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:44:18 -0400
From: Joseph Burns ([email protected])
Subject: Preview New Throwing Muses...
Date: 9 Apr 1996 11:10:33 -0400
From: [email protected] (Thrilly)
Subject: Shaving Seattle last night
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:12:29 +0600
From: cz ([email protected])
Subject: How do i unsub?
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:39:31 -0700
From: Bob ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses preview
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:46:35 -0400
From: John Greene ([email protected])
Subject: Mojave3 in Austin?
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 17:44:44 -0500
From: John Nguyen Van ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Stereolab stereolab
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:59:43 -0400
From: John Greene ([email protected])
Subject: Eyeless in Gaza/Pale Saints/CT&theCure
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 16:33:05 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Shaving Seattle last night
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 21:08:19 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Eyeless in Gaza/Pale Saints/CT&theCure
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 20:22:32 +0000
From: Jason Wintz ([email protected])

Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:35:02 -0400
From: Athol ([email protected])
Subject: Re: where to get 4AD posters, t-shirts?

as for t-shirts:
you might try 'wild syde', a shoppe in New Jersey.  Usually, if they
don't have what you want, they can get it printed.  tell them you heard
about them on the internet, and shirts are $14.00, and they might even
pay shipping for you, depending.  not related, just a customer.

1-800-255-6791, ext 4673, email [email protected] (don't think it works, tho)

 [email protected]     -http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~ktp52952
 -star-crossed on my face.

> can anyone fill me in on where to get 4AD t-shirts and posters old
> and new?

Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:40:34 -0400
From: Joseph Burns ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Shaving Vancouver last night

'Demystification' is a bside to 'Single Girl' is credited in the liner
notes to: S.Lake

sorry thats all the help I can offer

Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:17:26 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Laika & Moonshake [was: Some reviews]

Jens wrote...
>"Beautiful Pigeon" single
>  Don't have this one. The A-side is on "Eva Luna".

I do. And it's a strange Moonshake release.
The A-side is just one of the many (all, really) great tracks on "Eva Luna"

But the two B-sides, "beeside" (ha!) and "home survival kit" are unusual for
the band. The writing credits are to "Callahan/Fiedler" - rare collaborative
material! Both songs show Moonshake in surprisingly subdued form. Less
angular and violent than anything on "Eva Luna". There are lyrics for all
three tracks, but "beeside" sounds like an instrumental. If the fact that
it's a Moonshake release doesn't already make it worth finding, the artwork
(all their records have great artwork full of obscure references and puzzling
icon-like pictures) does.

Moonshake(Mach II)'s "The Sound Your Eyes Can Follow" shouldn't be overlooked
just because of Fiedler's flashier Laika work. It's an extremely strong
album. It's also an incredibly accomplished piece of guitarless-free
dub-sampler based postrock. The newest Moonshake single, "Cranes", is also
superb. Dave Callahan's post-Fiedler output has been just as consistently
brilliant. And, despite what everyone else says, I think he has a terrific
voice (for his particular style of music). But it IS an acquired taste.

Hope this was of some help - and not just a waste of space.

GuerillaG
(who still finds time for those early Cocteau albums between
breakbeat-binges...)

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 21:07:00 CDT
From: Lysa Bellott ([email protected])
Subject: Robin Guthrie in 'Guitar Player'/dancing/Chris and Cosey/Alanis

In case anyone's interested, there's an interview with Robin in April's
'Guitar Player' magazine.  It's for those who dare to delve into the
technical aspects of the Twins.  He speaks mostly of the various equipment
and the different effects used throughout the years.

My Favorite Twins song to dance to (in my living room, that is):  Carolyn's
Fingers.
I cannot listen to that song without getting up and making a fool of myself.
It 's rather intoxicating!

Also, I had a craving to dig up and wipe the dust off of my copy of 'Pagan
Tango' (1991) by Chris and Cosey.  Now I am listening to it.  I forgot how
great it was.  It's sort of like Coil meets Xymox.  Her voice is beautifully
dark and eerie.  I wonder if they're still together, hmmm...

And...

This has been mentioned in the Twins' Fan Forum at their site, I'm surprised
no one on this list brought it up.  What's up with that tunnel-effect on
Alanis' vocals in her single "Ironic"?  You know--the part that goes
"(something, something)...everything blows up in your faaaayyyaaace..."
It's is SOOOOO Cocteau Twins.  Any fan that has heard that song is sure to
recognize it.  (Please don't think that I am in any way, shape, or form--a
fan of Alanis.)

Course this all brings me back to the article in 'Guitar Player':

mid-80's albums?"


OK, Robin, whatever you say but I would think that possessive fans such as
myself would beg to differ.

Just some random thoughts,
Lysa


Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:40:20 +0000
From: Jason Wintz ([email protected])
Subject: Re: 'need a little more beautifulnoise in your life? (another s

> lovesliescrushing - bloweyelashwish

I'll give you $6 for this

[email protected]

Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 16:43:37 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Shaving Vancouver last night

>question - for the last song of the encore they played a cover. Miki
>announced "You won't recognize it anyway" but I certainly did, but
>I can't for the life of me place it except that it was one of the
>early 80's new wave big hit singles. This is driving me mad...
>of what's going on..."
>
>Can someone put me out of my misery?


Anarcho-punk band Zounds wrote demystification circa '81? On the
Crass label.  Also famous for Subvert (covered by the Levellers) and
Can't Cheat Karma...


Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:25:26 -0400
From: bruce levenstein ([email protected])
Subject: Rachel's help - a little late.

i just got a copy of Rachel's 'music for egon schiele' and i must say it's
quite amazing. i was wondering how this compares with the 'handwriting' cd.
i understand the previous cd involves many more musicians. if i like the
new one, is it likely that i will like the other?

-bruce

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 |           C is for CLARA who wasted away           |
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 |     bruce levenstein     [email protected]     |
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Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:25:44 -0800
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: Re: speaking of grocery stores..

Starbuck's has an awful lot of 4AD/thislisty stuff on their in-store
tapes. I've lost track of all the things I've heard -- Cocteau Twins
(something from "Treasure" in addition to the expected 4CC stuff), Mojave
3, Belly, Innocence Mission, Sundays ... no MBV or ESP Beetles, though.

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            [email protected]
            Some outside and some indoors--
            Oh my oh my oh dinosaurs            ________________________
                                                http://www.mooseyard.com


Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:44:18 -0400
From: Joseph Burns ([email protected])
Subject: Re: speaking of grocery stores..

On Sat, 13 Apr 1996, Jens Alfke wrote:

> Starbuck's has an awful lot of 4AD/thislisty stuff on their in-store
> tapes. I've lost track of all the things I've heard --

ugh... too bad you'd have to be in Starbucks to hear this stuff..., a
place i consider to be anti-thislisty.


Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 20:21:01 +0100
From: Jon Kvebaek ([email protected])
Subject: Throwing Muses preview

Picked this up - haven't tried it out though...

--
Jon Kvebaek                               [email protected]
Heriot-Watt University                    http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceejok
Edinburgh, Scotland
------- Start of forwarded message -------
From: [email protected] (Thrilly)
Subject: Preview New Throwing Muses...

Date: 9 Apr 1996 11:10:33 -0400 Sound clips from Throwing Muses new album "Limbo" can be found at the band's Throwing Music web site... (http://www.mmaweb.com/throwingmusic) ------- End of forwarded message ------- Jon Kvebaek [email protected] Heriot-Watt University http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceejok Edinburgh, Scotland

Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:12:29 +0600
From: cz ([email protected])
Subject: Shaving Seattle last night

The seattle show last night was great!

First, let me start at the beginning, the Mojave3 free acoustic set at Orpheum
records.  Well they started late due to the lack of a bottle opener and, more
importantly, Rachel.  In the meantime i met a fellow listie who somehow pieced
together that since i was at the Mark Kozelek gig and Mojave 3 that i must be on
4AD-L (i also met an old high school comrad i haven't seen for > 10 yrs).  Then
just Neil and the other guitarist came out to do a few songs without Rachel!?!
They were okay and all but it's not the same w/o Rachel.

The concert:
        Got there early enough to get a free tape.  Scheer started right on time
and there were only about 30 ppl in the whole room.  The songs were better than
i thought they would be and i actually enjoyed it (but not to the point where
i'd *buy* anything by them) so it was a decent way to pass the time till Mojave3
came on.
        Mojave3 with the full band (and Rachel) was MUCH better than their
earlier 2/5ths attempt.  In fact, it was GREAT.  The played mostly just stuff
off the album with a few new songs and one Dylan cover (Queen Jane).  Mind you,
if you're not already convinced of the beauty of Mojave3 you'll never be
converted by their stage performance.  These people look like they move at a
slightly faster speed than the indiginous seattle slugs.  Rachel looked
completely bummed and just the sort of person who would write such rainy day
songs.  BUT we did get a glimpse into something beyond the morose exterior
because the two LOUD guys in front of me went from being really into the band to
talking loudly at each other during the most quiet songs (in the front row!).
It brought several smiles to Rachel's lips and several puzzled looks too
(respectively) as she tried to figure these two out.
        LUSH played a really tight set.  By the time they came on the room was
respectfully full and the crowd was ready for them.  I was lucky enough to be in
the small dancey section of the crowd where we were all dancing through the
whole concert but i think that most of the crowd was also quite into the band.
They played several older songs (to great applause) which were a real treat and
contrary to the vancouver opinion i thought the songs off the new album were
made *more* enjoyable in the live setting.

So the moral of the story is... go to this concert.  All three bands were as
good as or better than i expected and i'm going to listen to my free tape now.

-cz



Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:39:31 -0700
From: Bob ([email protected])
Subject: How do i unsub?

How is it done?


Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:46:35 -0400
From: John Greene ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses preview

If you like Throwing Muses you really should check this site out:
 (http://www.mmaweb.com/throwingmusic)
The wave samples of the Muses new album 'Limbo' are amazing. There
is also a message board on their web site and some pictures and
links too.

John

Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 17:44:44 -0500
From: John Nguyen Van ([email protected])
Subject: Mojave3 in Austin?

              Apr 12, 96 01:10:09 am

 Could someone in Austin confirm the Mojave3 date on 4/20?
 How can I get tickets? Thanks.

                                John

Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:59:43 -0400
From: John Greene ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Stereolab stereolab

I've only discovered Stereolab in the last couple of months but I've already pic
ed
up five of their records. I guess I really like them. My favorite is 'Refried Ec
oplasm'
which I think is a collection of singles and b-sides. The seventh track 'Eloge D
eros'
is worth the price of the record alone and there are many other really good song
 on
that album as well. 'Mars Audiac Quintet' is also a good album.

John

Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 16:33:05 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" ([email protected])
Subject: Eyeless in Gaza/Pale Saints/CT&theCure

I was meandering around the local Tower last night, only to discover that
Cherry Red records (or rekids, whatever) had reissued Eyeless in Gaza's
"Drumming the Beating Heart"(!).  Not only that, it was bundled (on 1 CD)
with "Pale Hands I Loved So Well".  For those unfamilair, EiG is an English
(?) band made up of Martin Bates and Peter Becker, who appear ca. 1980.  They
were quite experimental in the beginning, and I think anyone who likes early
4AD would like early EiG.

The DtBH/PHILSW CD was only $20.99 (on import), so I bought it.  I was
somewhat disappointed to find that the mastering on this CD was some of the
worst I'd ever heard.  DtBH survives o.k., but there is some distortion (the
unintentional kind) and a lot of hiss.  DtBH was released in 1981, so maybe
the master tapes have deteriorated (shrug)?  PHILSW, however, was mastered to
the CD at a higher level (louder) than DtBH, so here the distortion is _very_
noticeable.  PHILSW, was recorded the year before DtBH, and is mostly
instrumental.  It also features a track called "Pale Saints".  Can anyone
verify that this is where Ian et al. got the name from?

Listening to this CD on my boombox while cleaning the apartment today
alleviated the distraction of all the distortion for the most part (compared
to headphones), but I thought I would warn any of you contemplating this
purchase.

On the CT/Cure thread:  I seems to me that "Garlands" borrows quite a bit
from early Cure stuff.  Anyone agree?  The Cocteaux didn't really move into
a territory that was all their own until "Head over Heels".

Tasting the air that you'd much rather kiss...

Martin
[email protected]


Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 21:08:19 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Shaving Seattle last night

from what I've been hearing of the 2 shows so far in Vancouver and Seattle,
it has only been the 3 headlining bands playing... i thought there was to be
appearances by lisa germano, hnia (i know they'll be at the detroit and
chicago shows) and a rumor the brendan perry would make an surprise
appearance at one or two shows as well.

so basically, what gives???  has anyone else heard anything solid as far as
these or any other 'guest' opening bands playing the StP tour??

-Blu

Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 20:22:32 +0000
From: Jason Wintz ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Eyeless in Gaza/Pale Saints/CT&theCure

> On the CT/Cure thread:  I seems to me that "Garlands" borrows quite a bit
> from early Cure stuff.  Anyone agree?  The Cocteaux didn't really move into
> a territory that was all their own until "Head over Heels".

As I believe I've stated before, I would say that CT were more
influenced by Siouxsie; furthermore, I think that the Cure were
highly influenced by Siouxsie as well.

[email protected]


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