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Subject: Sale #2
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:41:54 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: lush, scheer, mojave 3, the amps- in Texas
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:10:09 -0500
From: Katherine Searcy (K0S0113@ACS.TAMU.EDU)
Subject: Some interesting stuff...
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:53:57 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: other people's music (was re: dancing. . .)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:01:25 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Stereolab stereolab
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:05:04 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: rekids/Siousxie and the Banshees - R.I.P.
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 02:46:20 -0400
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Siouxsie and the Banshees - R.I.P.
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:08:13 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: FW: Stereolab Touring US West Coast
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:28:04 -0700
From: Jon D Drake (jdavid3@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Banshees...burn in hell!
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:44:47 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: this months's mostly shitty purchases
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:16:47 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: new cranberries, lush and elastica
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 05:28:18 -0400
From: Rastko Kovacevic (rkovacev@ABACUS.BATES.EDU)
Subject: Re: E.B.T.G. & The Language of Hype
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:08:21 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Banshees...burn in hell!
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:01:05 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: NEW ESP Beetles cassette
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:07:11 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Siouxsie Split...
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:37:33 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: hi!!!!! please bid on something!!!!! ;) (not much 4ad
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:01:54 -0400
From: "les pierres, les arbres, les murs..." (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Lovelife the Tour (UK LEG)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:57:48 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: free stuff
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:35:01 -0500
From: "yeah, but...." (z919758@RICE.FARM.NIU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dancing to the Cocteau Twins??
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:43:35 -0400
From: Kelly Kristin Leigh (kkelly@UCET.UFL.EDU)
Subject: WARNING!!! NON4AD: anagrams
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:44:15 -0400
From: Nunayer Dambiznis (robertfo@UOGUELPH.CA)
Subject: 'need a little more beautifulnoise in your life? (another sale...)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:43:26 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Sale #2
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:08:27 -0400
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Is Minty a Man?
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:53:33 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: if 'E' can do it...
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:16:41 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Ooops!
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:25:14 -0400
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dancing to the Cocteau Twins??
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:54:20 -0500
From: ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM
Subject: Some reviews
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:07:24 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: a few late sales additions
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:32:09 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: speaking of grocery stores..
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:42:43 -0400
From: Naomi M Glina (SuprSwirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Banshees...
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:11:39 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: In The Nursey fans
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:08:36 GMT
From: Lord Purge (scottyt@UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: Are there any seattle types going to the portland "shaving" show
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 14:56:27 -0700
From: Peter Conroy (pconroy@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: speaking of grocery stores..
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 14:25:08 -0700
From: "Karl V. Hallgrimsson" (karl.hallgrimsson@ASU.EDU)
Subject: corrections, corrections
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:10:50 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: ESP Beetles
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:11:23 -0700
From: Lab User (labuser@DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Sale #2
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:33:26 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Banshees...burn in hell!
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:09:55 -0700
From: -james henry trotter- (mackc@WATNXT06.UCR.EDU)
Subject: Re: Banshees...burn in hell!
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:14:56 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Dancing to the Cocteau Twins??
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:42:41 -0400
From: Naomi M Glina (SuprSwirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: rekids
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:29:41 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Shaving Vancouver last night
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:41:11 -0700
From: Juliet_Okeefe@SFU.CA
Subject: Re: new cranberries, lush and elastica
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:38:40 -0700
From: "Karl V. Hallgrimsson" (karl.hallgrimsson@ASU.EDU)
Subject: Laika & Moonshake [was: Some reviews]
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:01:41 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: new cranberries, lush and elastica (& Cocteaus)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:42:42 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: 1800 NO music now
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:43:48 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Lotsa new stuff!!
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:02:05 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: alanis morissette and other lousy things
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:54:28 -0500
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer! (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shaving Vancouver last night
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:40:32 -0700
From: [suppressed]

Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:41:54 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Sale #2


The last sale was pretty successful so I've dug up some more stuff I want
to get rid of:

All these items are CDs. Unless otherwise marked they are US releases,
full length albums, and cost $8 including US shipping.
To order, send me a message with your mailing address.

--- Thislisty stuff:
Air Miami "Me, Me, Me"
A R Kane "Sixty-Nine" [out of print, I believe]
Bettie Serveert "Palomine"
The Boo Radleys "Everything's Alright Forever" [UK import]
Cindytalk "Wappinschaw" [UK import, no US release] $12
Curve "Radio Sessions" [UK import, no US release] $12
Grenadine "Nopalitos"
Kitchens Of Distinction "The Death Of Cool"
Mojave 3 "Ask Me Tomorrow"
Scenic "Incident At Cima"
    [In ultra-fancy letterpressed paper package. No. 1729]
Seefeel "Succour" [UK import, no US release] $12
Versus "Dead Leaves"

--- Other stuff:
Lemon Kittens "We Buy a Hammer For Daddy"
    [very early Danielle Dax, with Karl Blake]
Mary's Danish "Circa"
Mercury Rev "Yerself Is Steam"
Pitchblende "Au Jus"
The Compact Real World
    [World-music sampler on Peter Gabriel's label]
Sonic Youth "Disappearer" EP $5
They Might Be Giants "John Henry"


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Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
            Some outside and some indoors--
            Oh my oh my oh dinosaurs            ________________________
                                                http://www.mooseyard.com


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:10:09 -0500
From: Katherine Searcy (K0S0113@ACS.TAMU.EDU)
Subject: lush, scheer, mojave 3, the amps- in Texas


just an addition to other dates:
lush, modern english et al  fri april 19 Austin Music Hal GA$12.50
the amps       wed apr17 Austin, friday apr 19 Dallas- Trees ~$10
scheer, mojave 3     saturday   apr20  austin (electric lounge-i think)

lush  houston edgefest  sat apr20
lush dallas edgefest  sun apr 21

Orchestra Pit Tix to the dallas edgefest are ranging from $55 to $95
(i found mine at 1st row ticket agency)

sorry about the disorder, but i hope this helps any Texas listies.

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:53:57 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Some interesting stuff...


Just recieved VinylInk=B4s week update and found some stuff that you guys
might find interesting:

BREEDERS, HEIDI BERRY +; limited to 10,000 copies


book.  Full color w/23 Envelope cover. Includes 4AD history and cover art.
No t-shirt



LUSH, MOHAVE 3 & SCHEER

Hexedecimal Dub Mix), "Ladykillers (Demo/Ruff Mix)",  "Undertow (Spooky
Remix)" & "Lovelife (Suga Bullit Remix)"

Enjoy it!


Pepe


*************************************************
'The Picture you see, is no portrait of me...'
                                     NewOrder
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:01:25 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: other people's music (was re: dancing. . .)


>>feel the absolute need to spread the word?  when you meet
>>someone who has similar tastes but hasn't heard some of the bands you
>>like do you run home, make them a tape and practically force it into
>>their ear?  are you depressingly disappointed when the say something
>>like, 'oh yeah, i thought it was pretty good...' in an indifferent voice?
>
>all the time.
>

>I don't get it.  Then again I never learn either and thus I keep doing it,
>keep doing it, keep doing it etc...
>
>I know (for a fact) that we are not the only two who do this.
>
>Any success stories out there?
>

i have a few friends i corrupt every now and then.  i got my friend adrian
to buy portishead last year and a few of my non-list friends and i do tape
trades a lot and turn each other on to all sorts of nifty stuff.
occaisionally, i can even get them to mailorder stuff!

it depends on who you do tape trades with.  i got one of my roommates into
luna, but i wouldn't stand a chance w/ seefeel, jessamine or hnia.

it's hard for me to get into other people's music (though jason did
convince me to by fsol's "lifeforms" ep)  i do cd swaps w/ other madison
listies all of the time, and it takes me forever to listen to other
people's music (much to their dismay).  a lot of the time i end up digging
the stuff, but for some reason i always want to listen to MY cds (anyone
else like this?)


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:05:04 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Stereolab stereolab


>>        in my humble opinion i find transient random-noise bursts
>>with announcements on elektra to be a great place to start.
>
>Just want to echo the sentiments re: the above album. I love all s-lab, but
>this one is epic, and _very_ high on my all-time list.
>
>>most of the stereolab records sound
>>pretty much the same-.they all are good.
>
>Yes, sort of... texturally... but IMnotsohumbleO, _Transient Random_ is a
>shining exception to this. Each track really has its own personality & mood.

i have to cave in and give a hearty recommendation for peng!  peng is the
only album of theirs i can really get into as a whole.  the rumbling drone
at the end of k-stars, the ominous beginning of super falling star.  the
brilliant moogpop that is perversion, and the extended craziness of stomach
worm make my brain go all loopy (ok, i'm in a weird mood now -- just bear
with me.)

i can't get into transient random as much, but pack yr romantic mind once
played over and over in a dream i had.

same w/maq.  ping pong has to be one of the top five catchiest songs on
earth, but it doesn't have the same cohesive coolness of peng!

this thread reminds me that a few weeks ago my friend sarah and i kept
e-mailing each other w/ the subject line "stereolab."  then, in the body of
the message, we'd write things like:  "stereolab woohee!  yes!" and so on.
if anyone wants to do this to her, her e-mail address is
seallen@students.wisc.edu  not that any of you probably care.

3d eye foundation arrives tomorrow.  yippee!

well, that's about all,

BiZ

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 02:46:20 -0400
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: rekids/Siousxie and the Banshees - R.I.P.


Jens Alfke wrote that he was selling:
---------------------------------------
The Boo Radleys "Everything's Alright Forever" [UK import]
Kitchens Of Distinction "The Death Of Cool"
Mojave 3 "Ask Me Tomorrow"
Scenic "Incident At Cima"
    [In ultra-fancy letterpressed paper package. No. 1729]
Seefeel "Succour" [UK import, no US release] $12
------------------------------------

Mr. Alfke, what's come over you! These are some fine rekids!
Ah well, to each their own...someone buy these! The seefeel
price is a steal!

I just picked up Disjecta 1.0 (WARP68CD)....kinda a disappointment.
I've only listened to it a few times, but it all kinda
sounds like a broken radio to me....

Perhaps not thislisty, but Siousxie and the Banshees have
officially broken up. I just found out from someone on the
SAB mailing list that Sid Vicious was their original drummer!?
Maybe Punk is now officially dead?
I'm actually kinda bummed that I left their gig
at Roseland early last year when I saw Spiritualized...
"Tinderbox" is now one of my favorite LPs.....

-B


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:08:13 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Siouxsie and the Banshees - R.I.P.


>Perhaps not thislisty...

Oh I don't know.  Mike Hedges, producer of much of the
Banshees material produced Lush's "Split".  And Lush
themselves (especially Miki) like the Banshees

>...but Siouxsie and the Banshees
>have officially broken up...

Still, that is quite bad news.  Gonna have to wait for that
one to sink in a little while...


Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:28:04 -0700
From: Jon D Drake (jdavid3@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: FW: Stereolab Touring US West Coast


Mr.Thom wrote:

>I was wondering if any on this list had any info about a Seattle date.
I
>imagine they will be playing in my fair city, but if not I'll wanna
get tix
>for PDX.
>
>Thanks and pls. cc: to me personally...

Hey,
The date I found fer stereolab in Seattle is 5 May at Moe. Very cool.

Jon


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:44:47 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Banshees...burn in hell!


On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Brendon Macaraeg wrote:

> I just picked up Disjecta 1.0 (WARP68CD)....kinda a disappointment.

Consider selling it to me, ok?

> Perhaps not thislisty, but Siousxie and the Banshees have
> officially broken up.

Oh no! It's not like I saw that coming from nine million miles off or
anything! :) Actually, what about The Creatures? This doesn't tell me is
Siouxsie and Budgie ares till together. A Verve-ized banshees minus
Severin might also be nice.

> "Tinderbox" is now one of my favorite LPs.....

One of the all time greats, that. I am told that the guitarist from this
record worked with ClockDVA but have never seen him credited. Any idea
what's up with him? (For that matter, did he play on Looking Glass? Also
a great album.)


 e

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:16:47 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: this months's mostly shitty purchases


Cranberries, Salivation, BLEAGH. Yeah, I admit, I liked the Cranberries.
In fact I loved a lot of the last two albums. So maybe you people who
think they suck will really like this single! It starts out with the
required-at-the-door 1996 proof-you-own-the-elastica-album sticker song.
Bang bang bang yadda yadda yadda. When I read the review in MM i thought
the dude was joking, but this is actually on the level of "Teenage
Suicide". Worse, actually. Just who the fuck is Dolores to give the world
advice?? ANYWAY. Second song: exact same melody as Ode to My Family, and
a guitar solo taken verbatim from a Cure song. To Wish Impossible Things,
I think. What silliness. And the last, "I Shot John Lennon"...what a twit
this woman is. She has no tact or subtlety. "John Lennon died, John
Lennon cried, John Lennon Criiiiiieedd..." Stupid ass.

Nefilim promo. Yeah, I bought the thing and yeah, it really, really
sucks. All the death metal staples you can cram into a toilet, Carl, as
one person on Gehenna put it, sounds a lot like the Cookie Monster, silly
'evil' guitar picking and no rhythm or backbone to any of it.
Considerably inferior to Rubicon in every way, and not worth another word.

Stereolab, Catsup whatever. I thought this was brilliant when I heard
part of it in a record store. Now I am pretty sure the brilliance is
contained entirely in four or five songs and the rest of the album is
pretty boring. There is also a severe lack of professionalism going on,
which is something I haven't seen from them before. Just what the hell is
going on? One reason I grew to have so much respect for this band was
that they dared to be polished and to be serious about execution, even if
what they were executing was not entirely so serious....but this is
mostly pretty sloppy. I have not given it a fair listen, maybe, but that
is my current impression.

And the final crushing blow, the new Current 93 is a mess. It's got
little in the way of interesting music or noise on it, we've got sloppy
writing and playing from Michael Cashmore and Steve Stapleton seems to
have put in similarly little effort. Tibet's rantings are passionate and
convincing as ever but the album seems not to be joined together by any
central idea, and worse, it attempts to appear as though it DOES have a
central idea. I think they are being phony. I think this was what was
expected of them and for one reason or another they delivered what was
not genuine, and the result is, as I said, a mess. Not bad, but as lame
as anything they have done since Cashmore became involved.

Tishbiteme. *YAWN* ...okay, so you got your Cocteau Twins back. Style-
over-substance people will love this, and no, it aint bad that way, but
the truth is they have sold out. They licked their finger and stuck it in
the air, and The People said "we don't like the new cocteau twins!" and
now we have Cocteau Twins Classic and it's FAKE. And it sounds good and
it's fun to listen to and it's got a good beat you can dance to, but I
miss the lousy, stupid Cocteau Twins that made a cheezy album I could at
least respect. This...well, I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
No band anywhere has been more poorly represented by its singles and
b-sides than this one, and I don't dislike the single at all...but it's
cheap entertainment, not art.

What's with people these days? I got a box of all the Fax stuff since
when, late November? With the exception of Create 2 and Dark Side of the
Moog 4, it was all more or less awful. Contrary to everyone else's
mistaken opinions, the Lush and Bel Canto albums are GOOD, but they don't
make up for all this trash that is being released. I can only hope that
this is the calm before the storm. New stuff is coming very soon from some
pretty cool people and I am still optimistic. The new Tricky and Friends
single is incredibly cool (though a ripoff), the new Cure song is godhead
on wheels, fucking brilliant writing. I couldn't tell what the hell it
sounded like over the phone. ;)

Lastly, I have the new Mark Knopfler album. I heard a song from the last
Dire Straits record in a store when it came out and was quite captured;
much of that album was from the "sultans of swing" school rather than the
shitty grammy winning "twisting in the pool" garbage bin, and songs like
"On Every Street" and "You and Your Friend" are drop dead beautiful, even
if the album contexts are always somewhat flawed and yucky. This album is
not. The man sacked his band or something, the thing is totally polished,
classy and beautiful and no bullshit and much more like hi soundtrack
work. The sound is a hell of a lot like Mojave, actually, though the
obvious peevish stumbling blocks of his vocals and guitar style would
clearly trip up most of the list faithful. If you want to hear some
great music rooted a little bit in the mainstream middlebrow scene, try
it out. It is the best album I know of since The Mirror Pool, it is this
year's saving grace, and it's high time people stopped pissing their
pants trying to upstage each other and just put out a decent rock record.

Also, a few weeks ago, picked up Mysteries of Science: _The Erotic Nature
of Automated Systems, and finally got into Omicron: _The Generation and
Motion of a Pulse_. Both these are on Instinct, my current favorite
American label thanks to their Fax and Emit licenses and a lot of superb
compilations. Neither of these are superb, but each has its share of
intense ambient atmosphere and dreamy, pretty music. Ambient Systems is a
good comp of Instinct stuff featuring these people as well as some others
on the label, not least among them Deep Space Network, half of whom are
David Moufang, aka Solitaire. If anyone here has other Instinct Ambient
stuff I would like to hear from you about it.

Oh yeah, the new Love and Rockets is great. I mean it is possibly their
best album, whatever that's worth. I would rave some about that too, but
it's been a while since I listened to it, and I've gone on enough for one
night. Just thought I should report in, even if overall I am a little bit
too demoralized to give these decent descriptive reviews. Hope everyone
is having a groovy month.


 e


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 05:28:18 -0400
From: Rastko Kovacevic (rkovacev@ABACUS.BATES.EDU)
Subject: new cranberries, lush and elastica


does anyone else think that the new cranberries song sounds like new lush
with a sprinkle of elastica?
r

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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:08:21 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: E.B.T.G. & The Language of Hype


On Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:45:25 -0700, Brian wrote:

>I picked up Everything but the Girl's "Amplified Heart" and
>am kinda disapointed. I thought it would be more techno oriented and it
>sounded more like Mazzy Star. But I think the $12 bucks was worth the
>remix of Missing, god what a beautiful song! (even w/out the remix)

I'm sure a lot of people coming from the oh-so-popular (forgive the
cliche) single will be disappointed in the album, which is not, as you
say, techno (though I've heard they're working on a new album that
is). Personally, I love the album, and would regard a move in the
techno direction as a sellout (I doubt it would have occured to them
had the single not gone huge).


>    One more thing, I think we need new words for:
>
>  Alternative (modern rock)
>  Cool (Come on now, I think this one has run its course)

New word for alternative: mainstream.
New word for cool: yhwh. OK, not a *new* word but a superb
tetragrammaton. I think since the original intent of "cool" was to
establish credibility by underplaying the compliment, it's replacement
ought to be hyperbole (i.e. since anything good will be coopted into
hype eventually, you might as well go as far over-the-top as possible
right from the start -- as satire, that will no doubt eventually be
coopted into banality. So it goes.). It also has the advantage of
causing certain death to anyone who speaks it aloud, a feature sorely
missing from cool. So, anyone know of any yhwh bands?

Paul

PS For post-rock, Jens has suggested "Neu".

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:01:05 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Banshees...burn in hell!


On Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:44:47 -0700 einexile the meek
 wrote:
>>Perhaps not thislisty, but Siousxie and the Banshees
>>have officially broken up.

>Actually, what about The Creatures? This doesn't tell me
>if Siouxsie and Budgie are still together.

Well they're still married...

>>Tinderbox

>One of the all time greats, that. I am told that the guitarist
>from this record worked with ClockDVA but have never
>seen him credited. Any idea what's up with him? (For
>that matter, did he play on Looking Glass?

Yes, John Valentine Carruthers (Robert Smith's
replacement) DID play on Looking Glass, but left due to
illness, replaced by that weird looking guy from the
Specimen.

Banshees guitarists seem to be rather like Spinal Tap
drummers, n'es ce pas?


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:07:11 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: NEW ESP Beetles cassette


On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, sapna patel wrote:

> I heard the new ESP Beetles tape today.  It's not officially out until next we
k, i think, but it's good.  I thought it would be all noise, which one side is, 
ut the other is more of a beautiful noise:  drums, bells, chimes, nice, relaxed 
eedback.  Quite relaxing, actually.  Check it out.
> Matt


Can somebody provide more info as to this release?  is it on 4AD? is it
on Time Stereo? Where can one acquire it etc...

in search of warren,
dan k.


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:37:33 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Siouxsie Split...


Not very thislisty, but just following up the thread...

For them what cares, apparently Siouxsie and the
Banshees decided to split up because the Sex Pistols
were reforming, and S&tBs didn't want to be seen as part
of that "pensioned-off--sad-old-punk" scene.

Bit of a lame excuse if you ask me


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:01:54 -0400
From: "les pierres, les arbres, les murs..." (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: hi!!!!! please bid on something!!!!! ;) (not much 4ad

              content, but definitely thislisty)

>moist - silver (ultra-rare version without a promo stamp/holepunch/cutout)
>minimum bid: $.99
>
>
>larry 'alanis love slave for life' koch gets first bid on the moist. :)

Okay, I bid negative twenty bucks, i.e. you pay ME to take that piece of
overwrought, self-congratulatory beer-commercial Vancouver butt-rock off yer
hands...

Did you know 'Alanis Morissette' (who is complete crap, I hasten to point
out) is an anagram of 'Miss I-Sneer-A-Lot'?

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:57:48 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Lovelife the Tour (UK LEG)


Yesterday I wrote:
>BTW, my final Lovelife the Tour report is a week late, I
>know, but WILL be posted later today (promise).

So I lied...  Well actually I got caught up with Lush's
on-line chat last night, and didn't get time to write it.

But if anyone's still interested, it will arrive... eventually.

Any Canadians or USAians planning to continue my
tradition?

cheers, bfn


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:35:01 -0500
From: "yeah, but...." (z919758@RICE.FARM.NIU.EDU)
Subject: found, lilliput, and shaving cd


vinyl ink has the following listed in thier latest update:

lilliput for $150
and
the shaving the pavement tour cd for $20


contact them at:
vinylink@ari.net

steve


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:43:35 -0400
From: Kelly Kristin Leigh (kkelly@UCET.UFL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dancing to the Cocteau Twins??

              <01I3EUS5UJUA9ANNA2@delphi.com>

Could this place possibly be Einsteins?  It's closing the 1st week of July.
No more good music in Jacksonville.


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:44:15 -0400
From: Nunayer Dambiznis (robertfo@UOGUELPH.CA)
Subject: WARNING!!! NON4AD: anagrams


>
> Did you know 'Alanis Morissette' (who is complete crap, I hasten to point
> out) is an anagram of 'Miss I-Sneer-A-Lot'?
>

how fitting!

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:43:26 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: 'need a little more beautifulnoise in your life? (another sale...)


Hiya

I have extra copies of these CDs.
It's safe to assume that most of you already have these, but if you
don't...here they are. Make me an offer.

Heidi Berry - Love (uk)
Heidi Berry - Heidi Berry
lovesliescrushing - bloweyelashwish
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
Rachel's - Music for Egon Schiele
Rollerskate Skinny - Horesdrawn Wishes
Seefeel - Polyfusia (More Like Space/Pure, Impure EPs)
Slowdive - Just for a Day

I'll trade for certain items. "Lend me your lists!"

First person to offer a copy of Gorky's Zygotic Mynci's "Merched Yn Newd,
Gwaalt Ei Gilyyd" CD(ep) in trade gets anything they want and maybe a little
more, too! :)

all inquiries to : TooKrnky@AOL.com
Let's keep this a 'private' affair. :-D

GuerillaG

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:08:27 -0400
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Sale #2


<<<<

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:53:33 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Is Minty a Man?


Hi,

We included an article on the Is Minty a Man? exhibition in Newcastle Upon Tyne
in our april issue of PIAS WEB MAG.
The only thing is... it's in dutch.

Diehards can peek a view for some (homemade) snapshots.

Cheers,

PIAS Benelux
Huite Rietveld


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:16:41 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: if 'E' can do it...


Hi -

I wasn't going to clutter the list with yet another review, but I guess I've
changed my mind. And it's very 4AD-content oriented, so what the hey!

Anyone remember the incredible Swallow? They had that last single on Rough
Trade and then disappeared. . .

or so it would seem.

Mike Mason has a new project - and he's follows that trend of 'shoegazer -
to- postrock / IDM' that we've seen with other 'S' bands: Seefeel, Slowdive,
Silvania, etc.

Mason now goes by the name of "BUSY GOING CRAZY", and his debut - the "Six
Summer Suns" EP (on Line Records, uk), is pretty terrific. Four tracks - and
lots of intriguing ideas.

"Analogue Snobs" uses a techno beat, swooping guitar sample, and odd electro-
percussive sounds to create a sound somewhere between a skipping Slowdive
record and the Chemical Brothers. Guess who also shows up? Our favorite
Swallow, Louise Trehy. Though she's gone the Sarah Peacock route. Trehy is
nothing more than another program on Mason's sampler. But it's definitely
her.

There's a harder metallic sound to "Magnesia Nites". Aphex Twin making
trip-hop comes to mind. If Wagon Christ built a song around a sample of
"Ventolin..."? This track sounds like a drastic remix of, say, "Oceans and
Blue Skies". But all the guitars have been processed to sound like flutes -
and there's this rising 'gulping' sound which serves as a rhythm. Near the
end we get a .... violin solo?! For all it's weirdness (it
's very Busy AND certainly Crazy) the song is absolutely gorgeous. Cocteau
Twins fans who REALLY want to dance will probably get into this.

A twangy (vaguely C&Wish) guitar and a parallel violin line meet in
"Wetspot". The guitar gets flanged beyond recognition, and then both
instruments suddenly dissolve. It's over?!

...into a bubbling Mouse on Marscape; But don't fall in love with this sound.
It doesn't last. Nothing good ever does. (sigh) At least "Six Summer Suns
[Stole Some Sky]" becomes something just as nice. Another set of guitar
chords (sounds like yet another Swallow song), lazily strummed in the
distance, given that full string/orchestra treatment. A sedate and unexpected
end to something that started out so... technoid. But why complain? It's
beautiful.

Alan Moulder produced this EP - so I guess we'll probably be hearing more
from BGC. Have any UK listies caught a BGC live show?

a few more UK-oriented questions: Does anyone know if -

 - the third Boymerang 12" has ever been released
 - there were any singles for the Rollerskate Skinny and Whipping Boy albums
 - Ganger's 12" is just a myth... (no store can seem to get it!)
 - Rising High (uk) is gone and the chance of finding Plug 12"s now is less
than zero.

Jack, Too Pure's latest, are really really mediocre. BTW, does anyone else
think that the last (listed) song on the new ep ("White Jazz") has the lead
singer crooning an ode to his... er... private parts? Or is it just me... ?
;-)

e-mail me in private, so as not to disturb those irascible listies who like
their bandwidth unabused...

obligatory recommendation:
Squarepusher - "Dragon Disk #2" 12"... breakbeats so thick and furious that
you can barely catch you breath.

I'm out
GuerillaG

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:25:14 -0400
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Ooops!


<<<<

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:54:20 -0500
From: ICEBLINK@DELPHI.COM
Subject: Re: Dancing to the Cocteau Twins??


>>Could this place possibly be Einsteins?  It's closing the 1st week of July.
No more good music in Jacksonville.<<<

YOU ARE CORRECT! Do I perhaps know you???  I heard about the place
closing, and I'm sorry to hear about that. It truly is/was the last
bastion of sanity in that town...



Speaking of Dancing to the Cocs...I went out last night to the
only club in Boston I know of that plays them now and then, and
they sure enough played the rokkin' album version of "Violaine".
EXCELLENT....

Mike
iceblink@delphi.com


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:07:24 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Some reviews


I recently purchased a bunch of CDs (some recent releases some not). And after
about a week's listen here are my 2 cents:

LUSH "Lovelife" Not up to par. It is not as bad as people have said (speaking
in general) but compared to older lush, it's pretty lame.
They have gone for the more poppy style of song, the swriliness is mostly gone
on this album. One interesting song though would be the duet with Jarvis
Cocker (whatever that song is). I thought it made a nice weird little song,
very pulpish in a way.

Elysian Fields (EP) I heard an interview and performance from this NYC band on
KCRW and decided they were interesting, got the 4 track EP and got blown away.
This is very slow and mellow music, yet it is gorgeous sound, Jennifer Charles
has a beautifull deep voice and lifts this up a notch. The music is kinda in
the minimalist mojave 3 style (i am talking about the instrumentation not the
actual music). Very pretty indeed, can't wait for the album.

Laika "the apples from the moon" (did i get that title right?)
this is my first encounter with laika so i might be totally off. i only got
the CD because it was for 5 bucks and i heard the band mentioned on this list.
needless to say, it is great, very ambient and moody nice vocal combos, i
cannot comment a lot about this having no background on the band and their
other work, i am interested in anyone else's opinions here. someone point me
towards any other CDs they might have.

The Wedding Present "Yeah yeah yeah yeah" not this listy and pretty much
proven to be one of the best british pop bands so no comment :)
(i can feel some flames coming on this one)

Bel Canto "magic box" same comments as for lush really. I like it in general
(not in comparison). but compared to their older stuff it is pretty lame and
very accessible as well. still a good CD overall.

That Dog (i cannot remember the title)
Um, pretty interesting, but nothing too exciting, it is what i excpected from
those guys and girls (sic). not that i'd heard them before but somehow i had
this preconceived idea about what they would sound like and i was right on the
money.

that's all folks! please let me know of any comments and once again, most
interested in laika info

-nb-

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:32:09 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: a few late sales additions


Hi -
two items I forgot to add. Sorry:

Pumpkin"), Boymerang, Closedown, Single Cell Orchestra, Divination,
Jansen/Barbieri, No Man (featuring Robert Fripp), and many others. It's a
FANTASTIC comp - and I'm only selling it because I have two copies. Boymerang
on CD, folks....

Cranes - Self/Nonself 12" - original version on Biteback Records.
Danielle Dax - Dark Adapted Eye CD - 'looks like most (if not all) of "Inky
Bloaters" and                      a bunch of unreleased tracks...
Ride - Play, Fall, and Chelsea Girl CDeps. For you collector types

Again, e-mail: TooKrnky@AOL.com if you're interested in an item.

Thanks
GuerillaG

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:42:43 -0400
From: Naomi M Glina (SuprSwirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: speaking of grocery stores..


I work at a clothes store in the mall, and through the years weve had
everything from bluebeard by the twins, to pizzicatto5, to shonen knife, to
portishead, to the sundays, to massiveattack, to blur, to french versions of
tori amos and lush soundalikes.  Its mixed right in there with celine dion
and mariah carey.  Is this a good thing or a scary thing?  I guess it a worn
out debate about *our* music invading public spaces or the mainstream, and
its effects on the industry and everything.
       Its kind of llike seeing a mondrian or picasso inspired pattern on a
coat or something a ladys wearing and asking yourself, well, does she
actually know anything about the actual context or premise for the original
artists work?
anyways-

nomi
     Maybe thats quite a loose comparison but it is kinda cool when some
teenybopper comes up to you and asks who that song is on the tape, and you
know.

nomi


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:11:39 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Banshees...


>> Perhaps not thislisty, but Siousxie and the Banshees have
>> officially broken up.
>
> Oh no! It's not like I saw that coming from nine million miles off or
> anything! :) Actually, what about The Creatures? This doesn't tell me is
> Siouxsie and Budgie ares till together. A Verve-ized banshees minus
> Severin might also be nice.

>> "Tinderbox" is now one of my favorite LPs.....

> One of the all time greats, that. I am told that the guitarist from this
> record worked with ClockDVA but have never seen him credited. Any idea
> what's up with him? (For that matter, did he play on Looking Glass? Also
> a great album.)

        John Carruthers? Yeah, he was on Through The Looking Glass, but
Tinderbox is quite superior to it. The Banshees had a pretty high
turnover rate of guitarists.
        Trivia: every single Banshees guitarist, except Robert Smith, was
named John (or Jon). Even Johnny Marr, who toured with them once!
        Okay, now we're totally off-list and I'll stop abruptly.

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:08:36 GMT
From: Lord Purge (scottyt@UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: In The Nursey fans


"Elvia M. Tarango"  writes:

>I had a chance, once again, to listen to an old In The Nursey song,
>"Seraphic". I was wondering if any fan could recommend the good albums
>to
>buy. I really didn't like their Wax Trax attempt.

Which Wax Trax attempt is this? While Twins is a very industrial
album (in comparison to the rest of their stuff), IMOP L'Esprit, the
most organic/classical/orchestral of their albums, doesn't fit
the Wax Trax image at all and yet was released under it's banner.
Moreever, "Seraphic" (all this of course drenched in a giant "IMO")
most closely resembles L'esprit.  The other release I recommend is
Scatter. This is a recent compilation of some of their best tracks,
some remixes, some re-visions , as well as some rarities ("seraphic"
being one of them). It does contain a couple harsher songs which might
not go over so well with you, but for the most part it's a sumptuous
smoothly flowing comp.  And the liner notes/booklet is huge and
packed with praise and photos....


enjoy,
scotty



--
(I am able to apprehend it only in a series of snapshots, still lifes,
and fast takes of conversation, as it were, and when with heightened
concentration I try to move in closer, everything seems to move away
from me; perhaps I am somewhat overinvolved with this) (- B.Malzberg)


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 14:56:27 -0700
From: Peter Conroy (pconroy@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Are there any seattle types going to the portland "shaving" show


who might have room in their car for an extra person who will pay gas,
etc.?  If so please give me a call at 729-0707.  I saw Lush, Mojave 3, and
Scheer last night in vancouver and am still in that "i'll sell my soul to
see them again" state, as Lush and Mojave 3 were simply amazing.  Lots of
older
stuff from Lush (deluxe, sweetness and light, for love, etc.) as they
apparently were playing the same set they have been on their English tour,
and some new
(well, at least not on their album) stuff from Mojave 3.  Damn, they were
good.  They were also giving out free "shaving the pavement" tapes to the
first 200 or so people who showed up, so get to the show early kids.
Alright, sorry to clutter up your inboxes.

pete

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 14:25:08 -0700
From: "Karl V. Hallgrimsson" (karl.hallgrimsson@ASU.EDU)
Subject: Re: speaking of grocery stores..


I have heard the whole Four Calender Cafe album played at a restaraunt I
was eating at once. That album is the perfect muzak album.

On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Dez wrote:

> >i was minding my own damned business the other day in the grocery store
> >and what do i hear? a muzak rendition of a track from "four calendar
> >cafe"
>
> a muzak rendition? how was it different then? :-)
>
> Dez
>

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:10:50 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: corrections, corrections


GuerillaG wrote:

>Hi - two items I forgot to add. Sorry:

Does this look like 'two' items, Guerilla?! Have we forgotten how to count?
;-)

Pumpkin")

Uh... don't you mean "More Majik PARTY"?!
 "More Majik Pumpkin" is the Princess Dragon-Mom track from the "Noise
Reduction" comp...

Jeez, GuerillaG. Be more careful - will ya?

feeling a little bit schizoid
GuerillaG

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:11:23 -0700
From: Lab User (labuser@DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: ESP Beetles


The new ESP Beetles cassette is distributed by Carrot Top records here in
Chicago.  It's officially not out yet, but I work there so I was able to
get a promo.  I think it's two dollars. I'm not sure what number it is,
but its on Lincoln Ave., third floor, Chicago, IL , 60614.  Carrot Top
Records has advertisements in lots of good magazines, so you can just
look it up, or look off the back of a Coctails CD.  We just sent some
cassettes to Revolver, so they might have some, too.

Later,
Matt

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:33:26 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Sale #2


Jens Alfke wrote:

> All these items are CDs. Unless otherwise marked they are US releases,
> full length albums, and cost $8 including US shipping.
> To order, send me a message with your mailing address.

> A R Kane "Sixty-Nine" [out of print, I believe]
> The Compact Real World
>     [World-music sampler on Peter Gabriel's label]

I'll buy these two.

David.

--
David McCallum                                                mccallum@efn.org
                  http://www.efn.org/~mccallum/arkane.html
                 a shrimpy shrine to the music of a.r. kane


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:09:55 -0700
From: -james henry trotter- (mackc@WATNXT06.UCR.EDU)
Subject: Re: Banshees...burn in hell!


yes, the creatures are still together, even if the banshees are not...

i think they are working on a new album, to be released later this year.
not positive about the last part, though.

-c-

then, one day, james's mother and father went to london to do some
shopping, and there a terrible thing happened. both of them suddenly got
eaten up (in full daylight, mind you, and on a crowded street) by an
enormous angry rhinoceros which had escaped from the london zoo.
                                                                -r. dahl

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:14:56 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM >> can anyone fill me in on where to get 4AD t-shirts and posters old >> and new? o.k. I was at a store yesterday where they had a DCD-into the labyrinth poster & a Pixies-Surfer Rosa poster. Lynch me if I'm wrong, but I believe they were 24" x 36". They were $8 each. If interested e-mail me and I'll procure ya one. jason srilank@aol.com

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:42:41 -0400
From: Naomi M Glina (SuprSwirly@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Dancing to the Cocteau Twins??


       whenever i hear certain twins songs when im out, ive felt like a
waltz.  However, no one would ever be brave enough to get in the middle of
the undulating gothy throng to do it with me.  I think it would be extremely
romantic, though.

nomi

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:29:41 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: rekids


Brendon Macaraeg wrote:
>Mr. Alfke, what's come over you! These are some fine rekids!
>Ah well, to each their own...

I felt ashamed for implicitly admitting that I didn't want them! Some

>The Boo Radleys "Everything's Alright Forever" [UK import]

I loved it when it came out, but it feels a bit dated to me now. And I
don't like any of their later stuff...

>Kitchens Of Distinction "The Death Of Cool"

Just didn't grab me the way "Love Is Hell" or "Strange Free World" did.

>Mojave 3 "Ask Me Tomorrow"

I can tell it's Neil and Rachel, but the music just sat there and didn't
do much for me. If I'm in that mood I'll listen to "She Hangs Brightly"
one more time.

>Scenic "Incident At Cima"
>    [In ultra-fancy letterpressed paper package. No. 1729]

It's almost worth keeping it for the package, but the music wasn't what I
was looking for. I do love Bruce Licher's trademark guitar sound and I
keep hoping for someone to to a worth successor to side 1 of Savage
Republic's "Tragic Figures", but this isn't it.

>Seefeel "Succour" [UK import, no US release] $12

I gave it many chances but ultimately it was just too far away from the
warm, organic Seefeel that I knew and loved. It's very well done
Warp-style techno but too airless and inhuman sounding for me.

And I can say these nonflattering things because most of these have
already been sold :)
Actually the Boo Radleys and Kitchens CDs are still available.

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
            Some outside and some indoors--
            Oh my oh my oh dinosaurs            ________________________
                                                http://www.mooseyard.com


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:41:11 -0700
From: Juliet_Okeefe@SFU.CA
Subject: Shaving Vancouver last night


>who might have room in their car for an extra person who will pay gas,
>etc.?  If so please give me a call at 729-0707.  I saw Lush, Mojave 3, and
>Scheer last night in vancouver and am still in that "i'll sell my soul to
>see them again" state, as Lush and Mojave 3 were simply amazing.  Lots of
>older
>stuff from Lush (deluxe, sweetness and light, for love, etc.) as they
>apparently were playing the same set they have been on their English tour,
>and some new
>(well, at least not on their album) stuff from Mojave 3.  Damn, they were
>good.

I was there too...  Thought that it took a while for Lush and the
audience to kinda mesh and take off - the place was only half
full, for a start (much to  my suprise). The first 5 or 6 songs were
greeted with some applause and then dead silence until someone
in the audience 'who-hooed', earning personal thanks from Miki.

Mohave at first caused my friend to threaten suicide due to boredom
but perhaps he was being a bit harsh :-) though his description
of them as 'crappy Cowboy Junkies' seemed dismayingly accurate
at the time - but then it stared to grow on me - these langorous
cowboy tunes - by the end of it I had determined that Mohave
could fill a previously unrecognized gap in my musical life - perfect
for slow rainy afternoons of a particular kind of mood....

Lush sounded great, played enough old stuff to keep me happy, (Desire
 Lines - what a treat) but Single Girl did nothing for me - first time
I'd heard it - what a contrast to earlier Lush... Now my big
question - for the last song of the encore they played a cover. Miki
announced "You won't recognize it anyway" but I certainly did, but
I can't for the life of me place it except that it was one of the
early 80's new wave big hit singles. This is driving me mad...
of what's going on..."

Can someone put me out of my misery?

Oh, and I got my tickets for Stereolab, May 4 in Vancouver - Yeah!

Juliet
__________________________________________________
okeefe@sfu.ca   +*  Imagination and fiction make up more than  ++
+*+*+*+*+*+*          three quarters of our real life - Simone Weil  ++

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:38:40 -0700
From: "Karl V. Hallgrimsson" (karl.hallgrimsson@ASU.EDU)
Subject: Re: new cranberries, lush and elastica


Does anyone know what the new Cranberries album sounds like. I have read
one review by someone on this list and I though it was a well written
review that a thumbs down on the new Cranberries album.

On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Rastko Kovacevic wrote:

> does anyone else think that the new cranberries song sounds like new lush
> with a sprinkle of elastica?
> r
>
> --
> "To say that Windows 95 is just like the Mac is like finding a potato in
> the shape of Jesus and thinking you have witnessed the second coming"
>                                                         --Guy Kawasaki
>
> Rastko | rkovacev@bates.edu | http://www.bates.edu/~rkovacev | 207.777.7913
>

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:01:41 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Laika & Moonshake [was: Some reviews]


Nadim wrote:
>Laika "the apples from the moon" (did i get that title right?)
>needless to say, it is great, very ambient and moody nice vocal combos, i
>cannot comment a lot about this having no background on the band and their
>other work, i am interested in anyone else's opinions here. someone point me
>towards any other CDs they might have.

"Silver Apples of the Moon". If you want more o' that stuff, check out
Moonshake -- that's the band where Margaret Fiedler (singing, guitars,
samples), John Frennet (bass) came from; and Guy Fixsen produced most of
Moonshake's stuff. Moonshake's releases were divided up into songs that
Margaret wrote and sang, which sound increasingly like Laika, and those
that David Callahan wrote and sang, which are generally less dub-like and
feature his unmistakeable snarling nasal vocals. Eventually I guess
Margaret and David stopped getting along and split up the band. Moonshake
still exists but I didn't much care for their post-Margaret album.
This is what Moonshake released:

"First" EP (on Creation)
  Very different from their later stuff. No dub influence and Callahan's
voice is uncharacteristically restrained. Quite shoegazer-ish, especially
the very wonderful "Gravity". This EP is apparently quite hard to find.

"Secondhand Clothes" EP (on Too Pure, as is everything subsequent)
  Dramatic turnaround in sound. The title track has almost no guitar, all
dubstyle bass/drums. With Callahan's yowling it has a very early-PiL
feel. This EP is included on the US release of "Eva Luna".

"Beautiful Pigeon" single
  Don't have this one. The A-side is on "Eva Luna".

"Eva Luna" LP (Too Pure; US release on Matador)
  Classic album. It took me months to appreciate, and some of the
Callahan songs still grate on me, but it's extremely well done and
intricately textured with lots of little bleeping samples behind the
massive bass and guitar. Margaret's songs here are much darker and
creepier than Laika.

"Big Good Angel" EP (Too Pure; US release on Matador)
  Six-track EP with some of Margaret's best songs, esp. "Girlyloop" which
is definitely proto-Laika with its jungle-influenced combination of fast
intricate beat and dubstyle bass. Some of Callahan's songs here start to
remind me of a louder and angrier XTC with their sarcastic social
commentary.

If you like Laika I'd suggest getting "Big Good Angel" and working your
way backwards.

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
            Some outside and some indoors--
            Oh my oh my oh dinosaurs            ________________________
                                                http://www.mooseyard.com

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:42:42 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: new cranberries, lush and elastica (& Cocteaus)


>does anyone else think that the new cranberries song sounds like new lush
>with a sprinkle of elastica?
>r

Don=B4t know 'bout the whole album, but Salvation is one of WORST songs
(coming from a
once-upon-a-time-we-were-interested-in-music-and-not-charts-band) from them.
It completely sucks!=20

On the other hand (I just got 'em by mail order) Lush=B4s ladykillers=
 singles
are AWESOME! The B sides are 20000 better than the ones on Single Girl (let
alone the title track). This is the kind of music I expected from Lush and I
have to tell you that after reading all the discussion 'bout this, I was
terrified. But, justice always prevails and the music is still there (still
have to listen to Lovelife but...)

The Cocteaus new 2 part single (get more money out of my pocket strategy)
are very good! The music is, IMO, very similar to the Bsides from Bluebeard
& Evangeline, which I liked a lot. The artwork is one of the best I=B4ve=
 seen
from the twins. It=B4s very similar to V23 (when they used all the lines to
confuse the observer). Im not dissapointed at all.

Pepe
(Enjoying Tishbite & ladykillers)



*************************************************
'The Picture you see, is no portrait of me...'
                                     NewOrder
*************************************************


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:43:48 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: 1800 NO music now


We've all seen the ads: 1-800-music-now
"you call you listen you like you buy"

Well, I decided to check out this service, having
received some coupons in the mail. What I found was that
their slogan should read:
"you call, you don't find anything you want, and if you do
the price is $15.99+, you give up, you go to your local store
instead, where they've at least heard of the Cocteau Twins."

I tried finding albums by:
Supergrass (none listed)
Cocteau Twins (none listed)
Michael Nyman (all they had was the Piano soundtrack)
Heavenly (none listed)

They've got a long way to go before they're worth anything.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:02:05 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Lotsa new stuff!!


This is heavily edited. Please don't write to me about these as I know
nothing more than what you see here.

On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, EAR/Rational Music wrote:

>       The Nick Cave & Anita Lane-Harley Davidson 7"/CDS description last
>       week was wrong. Nick really has nothing to do with it. It's fellow Bad
>       Seed Mick Harvey and Anita Lane inna duet culled from Harvey's Serge
>       Gainsbourg tribute album. I will re-solicit you for this title, in its
>       corrected state, below.


> Harvey, Mick & Anita Lane-Harley Davidson 7"/CDS MUTE194/CD $4.75/$9.25
> RE-preselling my most embarrassing mistake from last week. It's not
> Nick Cave, it's a... New single culled from Bad Seed Mick Harvoys Serge
> Gainsbourg tribute album "Intoxicated Man". Harvey and Mute's
> jill-of-all-trades Anita Lane do the voodoo duet croon on Serge's
> "Harley Davidson", plus "Who's In, Who's Out" & "Hotel Specific" on the
> 7". CDS adds "Song of Slurs". (Mute)


> In the Nursery-Deco CD CORP014CD $15.25
> In The Nursery 1Oth studio album spirits the listener through towering
> atmospheres of majestic keyboards, orchestral strings, the sultry
> multi-lingual vocals of Dolores Marguerite, heartbreaking oboe, flute,
> bells, reverbed snare and timpani... 11 new works pay homage to the
> aesthetic styles and influences of 1920's Art Deco movement.  Cinematic,
> classical vision with frightening depth & power.  Hyperbolic English
> bombast with brains. (ITN Corp)
>
> Laswell, Bill-Sacred System CD RUSCD8225 $13.25
> New CD of Laswell's work created specifically for the ROIR label
> features pop, ambient, trance and dub stylings by the master, with
> studio assistance by Anton Fier.  They're calling it a masterpiece.  (ROIR)
>
> Long Fin Killie-Hands and Lips CDS PURECD58 $9.25
> New single from Too Pure's Long Fin Killie, who manage to combine a
> Mozzy UK Brit- Pop vocal with Shellac style introverted rhythm-crazy
> boynoise. To their credit, the production treads not into bambastic
> rock territory, but weaves an intricate braid of chittering breakbeat
> percussion, razor sharp stickwork behind the drumkit, needle- nose
> Albini-esque guitar and elastic basslines, topped by the singer's
> menacing croon. 4 tracks include a radical deconstruction of Madonna's
> "Angel" slipped in for chuckles. Album due end of May. (Too Pure)
>
> Loveliescrushing-Xuvetn CD PRO64 $13.25
> Brand new CD by popular Projekt band features veils of gorgeous guitar
> wash with an angelic gossamer voice flowing through, with grandiose
> orchestral subtlety and childlike naivete woven in as well. It will
> apparently conjure images of an aurora's phantasmagoric majesty or a
> jet engine's intensity. All this recorded on four tracks! (Projekt)


> Moonshake-Dirty & Divine LP CZ085 $7.75
> Domestic vinyl version of CD that will be released on BMG this summer.
> One of the sleeper picks for the year. (C/Z)


> Orb-Peel Sessions LP SFRLP138 $10.00
> Vinyl for the CD I presold a few weeks ago. Dr Alex Patterson and his
> pioneering proto-ambient surgical team offer Peel Session tracks from
> 1992 featuring "Oobe" and an unbelievably Punk cover of the Stooges "No
> Fun", plus 1995 recordings inna more Orb-like ambient fashion "Montagne
> D'or" and "Valley", all pressed on vinyl we didn't know about 'til now!
> (Strange Fruit)

> Orbital-insides 3LP/CD/LtdCDX TRULP10/CD10/CDX10 $22.50/$21.50
> Long awaited 4th album from Orbital not slated for domestic release
> until June! Thinking-person's ambientechno genius available on import
> triple-LP vinyl, regular UK CD and in a limited special UK Digi-Box CD
> for initial orders only.  We might see an export ban on the limited CD,
> but you're first in line...  (Internal)

Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:54:28 -0500
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer! (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: alanis morissette and other lousy things

> from "Peter Conroy" at Apr 12,
              96 02:56:27 pm

ack..
     I lost that nifty anagram for Alanis what'sherface, whom I loathe
 copiously....anyone have a copy ? :)

                                        eternally grateful



                                                Kendal


                        kobermey@unlgrad1.unl.edu
     -->>http://www.teleport.com/~obee/kendal.html<<--


Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:40:32 -0700
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: Shaving Vancouver last night


Just wondering, what was the name of the venue in Vancouver that Shaving
the Pavement played in?  ANy help would be thankful.

On Fri, 12 Apr 1996 Juliet_Okeefe@SFU.CA wrote:

> >who might have room in their car for an extra person who will pay gas,
> >etc.?  If so please give me a call at 729-0707.  I saw Lush, Mojave 3, and
> >Scheer last night in vancouver and am still in that "i'll sell my soul to
> >see them again" state, as Lush and Mojave 3 were simply amazing.  Lots of
> >older
> >stuff from Lush (deluxe, sweetness and light, for love, etc.) as they
> >apparently were playing the same set they have been on their English tour,
> >and some new
> >(well, at least not on their album) stuff from Mojave 3.  Damn, they were
> >good.
>
> I was there too...  Thought that it took a while for Lush and the
> audience to kinda mesh and take off - the place was only half
> full, for a start (much to  my suprise). The first 5 or 6 songs were
> greeted with some applause and then dead silence until someone
> in the audience 'who-hooed', earning personal thanks from Miki.
>
> Mohave at first caused my friend to threaten suicide due to boredom
> but perhaps he was being a bit harsh :-) though his description
> of them as 'crappy Cowboy Junkies' seemed dismayingly accurate
> at the time - but then it stared to grow on me - these langorous
> cowboy tunes - by the end of it I had determined that Mohave
> could fill a previously unrecognized gap in my musical life - perfect
> for slow rainy afternoons of a particular kind of mood....
>
> Lush sounded great, played enough old stuff to keep me happy, (Desire
>  Lines - what a treat) but Single Girl did nothing for me - first time
> I'd heard it - what a contrast to earlier Lush... Now my big
> question - for the last song of the encore they played a cover. Miki
> announced "You won't recognize it anyway" but I certainly did, but
> I can't for the life of me place it except that it was one of the
> early 80's new wave big hit singles. This is driving me mad...
> Chorus: "I want some demystification, I want some demystification
> of what's going on..."
>
> Can someone put me out of my misery?
>
> Oh, and I got my tickets for Stereolab, May 4 in Vancouver - Yeah!
>
> Juliet
> __________________________________________________
> okeefe@sfu.ca   +*  Imagination and fiction make up more than  ++
> +*+*+*+*+*+*          three quarters of our real life - Simone Weil  ++
>


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