4ad-l Mail for 04-10-1996

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Subject: In The Nursey fans
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 20:42:08 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" ([email protected])
Subject: mojave 3
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:18:35 -0600
From: leslie beaulieu ([email protected])
Subject: 4AD t-shirts and posters 2
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 23:26:50 +0000
From: misguided angel ([email protected])
Subject: 4AD t-shirts and posters 2
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:20:03 -0600
From: leslie beaulieu ([email protected])
Subject: non4ad- record label help wanted
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 00:34:13 -0400
From: lorelei tremolor ([email protected])
Subject: TWO-FOLD MESSAGE- listening to moj.3? and COCTEAU TWINS!!!!
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 01:04:41 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Auction Update #3: 4AD + listy...REDUCED!
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 00:25:44 -0700
From: Heffalump ([email protected])
Subject: Re: mojave 3
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 01:42:22 +0000
From: Undetermined origin c/o LISTSERV maintainer
Subject: Re: TWO-FOLD MESSAGE- listening to moj.3? and COCTEAU TWINS!!!!
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 01:06:03 -0700
From: Joel Krueger ([email protected])
Subject: Re: non4ad- record label help wanted
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 02:44:30 -0500
From: Kagin Lee ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Stereolab
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 06:42:37 -0400
From: "les pierres, les arbres, les murs..." ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Ads again..
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:09:19 -0400
From: daniel klyn ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Love and Rockets
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:03:16 -0400
From: daniel klyn ([email protected])
Subject: Re: digest subscription help needed..
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:07:51 GMT
From: Paul Spirito ([email protected])
Subject: Re: nomad muzak
Date: 07/04/96 02:39
From: [email protected] (Marc van Bakel)
Subject: Re: Twin Cities Accents (no-4AD Content)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:41:00 -0500
From: Terry Collins ([email protected])
Subject: Re: UVS, Cindytalk, ModernEng LIVE Dates
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:10:27 -0500
From: Terry Collins ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Auction Update #4: 4AD + listy...REDUCED!
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:17:12 -0400
From: Roy Burns ([email protected])
Subject: Re: non4ad- record label help wanted
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:24:07 EDT
From: Alan Daniel ([email protected])
Subject: Akropolis
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:54:00 EST
From: Timothy Kowalsky ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Speculation about Artistic Intention - Delayed Response
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 20:38:51 -0700
From: David McCallum ([email protected])
Subject: nearing the end of "h" in my alph. cd tour
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:40:38 -0500
From: Shane Clark ([email protected])
Subject: 4AD-List FAQ announcement
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:37:38 -0800
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Twin Cities Accents (no-4AD Content)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:40:02 +0100
From: "shakespeare's sister" ([email protected])
Subject: Stina Nordenstam list.
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:19:12 -0700
From: einexile the meek ([email protected])
Subject: Auction Update #5: 4AD + listy...REDUCED!
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:50:48 -0400
From: Roy Burns ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Speculation about Artistic Intention - Delayed Response
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:59:10 -0500
From: Martin Wagner ([email protected])
Subject: speaking of grocery stores..
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:52:11 -0400
From: captain dave ([email protected])
Subject: roland gp-16 fx 4sale
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:37:57 -0700
From: Brandon Capps ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Stereolab
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:47:58 -0400
From: Joseph Burns ([email protected])
Subject: LAST CALL!!!! Auction Update #6: 4AD + listy...REDUCED!
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:38:28 -0400
From: Roy Burns ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Love and Rockets
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:13:00 CDT
From: anaconda ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Love and Rockets anyone?
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:13:00 CDT
From: anaconda ([email protected])

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 20:42:08 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" ([email protected])
Subject: In The Nursey fans

I had a chance, once again, to listen to an old In The Nursey song,
"Seraphic". I was wondering if any fan could recommend the good albums to
buy. I really didn't like their Wax Trax attempt.

Thanx

==================================================
Communicating from the corner of 5th and Vermouth

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(c/o [email protected])

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:18:35 -0600
From: leslie beaulieu ([email protected])
Subject: mojave 3

              schwickerath" at Apr 9, 96 09:31:51 pm

I am listening to Mojave 3.

--
Leslie Ann Beaulieu
[email protected]
[email protected]

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 23:26:50 +0000
From: misguided angel ([email protected])
Subject: 4AD t-shirts and posters 2

i'm sorry.. i didn't get any replies as to where i might be able to
get 4AD tshirts and posters old and new.. would any of you kind souls
that replies please respond again to my email address.. new replies
can just follow up to this message so everyone will get it.  sorry
for the inconvenience.

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:20:03 -0600
From: leslie beaulieu ([email protected]) schwickerath" at Apr 9, 96 09:31:51 pm where is the love? also I read Paul Cohen's homepage. -- Leslie Ann Beaulieu [email protected] [email protected]

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 00:34:13 -0400
From: lorelei tremolor ([email protected])
Subject: non4ad- record label help wanted

hello,

i've posted to the list before about my band, closer, who have been
dabbling with some monstrous music industry people...

now this label (which is a major) is going to offer us a demo deal.  i'd
appreciate anyone's input on demo deals, because we never knew anything
about them til the A&R guy told us that it was a possibility.  apparently
the label is going to front the costs for us to record a 4-song demo, at
the studio of our choice.  they're not going to ask us for any money.
all they want is first refusal...

then if we do refuse any future offers from them, we can shop our demo
around to other labels, without having to pay the original label for
anything.  no binds.

it's all so fishy, we think.  but people have told me that since the
label has money, it's pretty typical for them to be throwing it around
looking for some new bands.

can anyone help?


lorelei in the music biz

ps  some really nice people responded to my last message- thank you all!
    i've lost some addresses, so if holly, bobb, and kryshna could
    re-e-mail them to me, i'd be glad to send out the demo finally.

pps anyone else who wants a demo can e-mail me for info.....

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 01:04:41 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" ([email protected])
Subject: TWO-FOLD MESSAGE- listening to moj.3? and COCTEAU TWINS!!!!

On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, leslie beaulieu wrote:

> I am listening to Mojave 3.
>
> --
> Leslie Ann Beaulieu
> [email protected]
> [email protected]
>
very nice leslie. i'm reading about you listening to mojave three. it's
quite exciting.
tell me when you listen to something else, i might want to know.

PLUS

i just picked up a cocteau twins record someone might want

it's on cd and it's called

"the forgotten 4*A*D tracks"
it has a decent cover and has 74:21 of muzik.

the track listing is:

1. alas dies laughing
2. it's all but an ark lark
3. peppermint pig (7" version)
4. laugh lines
5. hazel
6. peppermint pig (12" version)
7. pearly-dewdrops drops (12" version)
8. kookaburra
9. quisquose
10. roccoco
11. love's easy tears
12. those eyes, that mouth
13. sigh's smell of farewell
14. orange applied
15. dials
16. crushed
17. high monkey monk
18. mizake the mizan
19. watchlar
20. oomingmak

the muzik ranges from 1982 to 1991

i am content with keeping it, but if someone wants it i'll get rid of it
for a certain price. email me privately please.
star vein.
[email protected]


Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 00:25:44 -0700
From: Heffalump ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Auction Update #3: 4AD + listy...REDUCED!

> PRINCESS DRAGONMOM (Warren Defever a.k.a. HNIA, ESP): "Slow Poke In. 12 CD
> current bid: $15

Uh, this is still available.  I got mine for like $10 new; seems a little
ridiculous for people to be bidding $15...

MIke


Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 01:42:22 +0000 ignored. ignored. ignored.
From: Undetermined origin c/o LISTSERV maintainer
Subject: Re: mojave 3

> I am listening to Mojave 3.
>
> --
> Leslie Ann Beaulieu
> [email protected]
> [email protected]
>

   I'm not.  Later, I might go to the grocery store.

  -Mike

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 01:06:03 -0700
From: Joel Krueger ([email protected])
Subject: Re: TWO-FOLD MESSAGE- listening to moj.3? and COCTEAU TWINS!!!!

On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, James M. Renaud wrote:

> i just picked up a cocteau twins record someone might want
>
> it's on cd and it's called
>
> "the forgotten 4*A*D tracks"
> it has a decent cover and has 74:21 of muzik.

 we just finished a rather long discussion of this cd on the cocteau
list,...it's simply a bootleg of some of the tracks found in the box
set - there really isn't anything "forgotten" about it. if anyone wants
these songs, do yourself a favor and just buy the box set. it's well worth it.

joel

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 02:44:30 -0500
From: Kagin Lee ([email protected])
Subject: Re: non4ad- record label help wanted

On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, lorelei tremolor wrote:

> now this label (which is a major) is going to offer us a demo deal.  i'd
> appreciate anyone's input on demo deals, because we never knew anything
> about them til the A&R guy told us that it was a possibility.  apparently
> the label is going to front the costs for us to record a 4-song demo, at
> the studio of our choice.  they're not going to ask us for any money.
> all they want is first refusal...
>
> it's all so fishy, we think.  but people have told me that since the
> label has money, it's pretty typical for them to be throwing it around
> looking for some new bands.

I don't know how things work these days, but "fronting the costs" used
 to mean about the same thing as an "advance", which was simply a loan.
 If so, then the amount would be deducted from your share of any profit
 you were to make, or you'd simply be owing a lot of money.  It may just
 depend on who's saying it.  I don't think majors treat bands as poorly
 as is often reported, but it's certainly wise to stay suspicious and
 keep your guard up.  Major labels don't make their money by throwing
 their money around for young bands to experiment with.

Then again, maybe i've read too many issues of maximum rock 'n roll.

kagin


Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 06:42:37 -0400
From: "les pierres, les arbres, les murs..." ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Stereolab

>I just recently bought "Peng", and I am quite impressed, to say the least.  My
>roommate bought "Mars Audiac Quintet", and we were both disappointed.  There
>were, of course, a few good songs, such as Ping Pong, but for the most part, I
>found the songs annoyingly repetitious.  The overuse of the moog and organ
>made me crazy.

There's an awful lot of Stereolab you're not going to like if moogs and
organs bother you ;)

>Anyway, I was curious about "Switched On" because so many of
>you recommended it.  My question -- Is it more like Peng than MAQ?  I really
>don't want to buy something I'm not going to enjoy.  Thanks for your input.

More like Peng! because it's from more or less the same period but it's
mostly really upbeat stuff, whereas the tracks on Peng tend to stretch out.

Oh, and get Emperor Tomato Ketchup as soon as you can.


Larry


Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:09:19 -0400
From: daniel klyn ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Ads again..

On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, Andrew Massey wrote:

> Has anyone noticed that the new Vienetta advert uses This Mortal Coil's
> Sixteen Days as the sound backdrop?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> Andie
>

oh shit....

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:03:16 -0400
From: daniel klyn ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Love and Rockets

You can find the tour itinerary at the 'official' l&r web page, which
is somewhere on the american recordings server. try the generic
 http://www.american.com  or use a searchengine and look under the
group's name.

dan k.
p.s. sell all your posessions if necessary and see them!

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:07:51 GMT
From: Paul Spirito ([email protected])
Subject: Re: digest subscription help needed..

To the following address:

[email protected]

send the following message:

set 4ad-l digests

You can also send the following message:

help

to obtain a list of commands.

You may also want to consult the 4AD FAQ:


Paul


Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:25:54 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Deleuze

By some piece of herbert-stencil-quality coincidence, just as the 4ad-l
message re Deleuze came in, the Deleuze list starting discussing music.
Eerie. Anyhow, here's one of the posts, with some pointers ...

______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________
Subject: Re: nomad muzak

Date: 07/04/96 02:39
From: [email protected] (Marc van Bakel) >I've been reading the Nomad music posts with great interest and am >surprized that no one has mentioned "In Memoriam Gilles Deleuze." This is a >"tribute" CD compiled by Achim Szepanski and put out by his mille plateaux >label. There is some truly deterritorialized muzak on this cd including a >scratchy (as in old and played a great deal) recording of Deleuze, >"Commencer par le premier principie, c'est un peu une m thode qui >emprunterait le mod le de l'arbre: on cherche d'abord la racine. Mais il y >a une autre m thode ou un autre mod le, c'est celui de l'herbe, elle, elle >pousse par le milieu." >Those musically inclined might also want to check out the April issue of >"The Wire" which has an article on the mille plateaux label and the Deleuze >connection. > > Thanx! I'll try to find it. Hope it's as good as crispin's Fugee's. Still enjoying that one ("two mc's can['t] occupy the same space at the same time.."). One more on the music-thing, then I'll focus on why i subscribed to this list... Reading the above I suddenly remembered a complilation called 'myths 2: system of flux & energies', featuring Hula, General Strike, SPK and a 'tibetan buddhist evening ritual'-recording. (very scratchy copy, 1985, sub rosa label). The back-cover text by a mr Guy Marc Hinant reads: "The archives have been devastated by fire, only three books seem to have been spared, from left to right, lying on a table: the BARDO THODOL (the tibetan book of the craft of dying), MILLE PLATEAUX of Gilles Deleuze [sic!] and, further away, on the edge, beside the debris, bound leaves: ACEPHALE -the five issues of the review which Georges Bataille published from 1936 to 1939 (..)" I never heard of A. Szepanski / mille plateaux label; more info? More nominations? ### marc --------------------------------------------------------------------------- j r burrows [email protected] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:41:00 -0500
From: Terry Collins ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Twin Cities Accents (no-4AD Content)

              96 06:44:08 pm

>
> >
> forget the crap about minnesota nice, in fact
> >people are so cold here,
>
> What do you expect?  It is winter 9 months out of the year!  We are nicer
> in June, really.
>
Just until the mosquitos come out.

  -tMc-


Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:10:27 -0500
From: Terry Collins ([email protected])
Subject: Re: UVS, Cindytalk, ModernEng LIVE Dates

              at Apr 4, 96 07:44:59 pm

>
> Just read the newest Time Out NY and saw the following listed :
>
> Cindytalk Sat 6 - Westbeth Theater
> Kurt Ralske Mon 8 - The Cooler
> Modern English May 3 - Irving Plaza
>
> That`s on top of the Shaving The Pavement date on May 2 at Irving Plaza.
>
Does anyone have a more comprehensive set of tourdates for all of
these?  I'm especially interested in Minneapolis and/or Chicago
dates.

  -tMc-

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:17:12 -0400
From: Roy Burns ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Auction Update #4: 4AD + listy...REDUCED!

Hello all! Here is an auction update for 4.10.96. The items listed are
separated into groups by format (7" Singles / 12" EPs, 10" EPs and LPs /
CDEPs and CDs). Unless otherwise noted, all items are M or M-. Information on
bidding to follow...

**As I'd like everyone to have a chance on bidding (and since I am in dire
need of cash), note reduced minimums on selected items.

Remember, all bids due no later than 8:00 pm (central standard time) of
Wednesday April 10th, 1996. This is TONIGHT! As needed, there will be updates
until that hour.

Ta Da!

Roy

RBN [email protected]


7"Singles^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

single; 4AD; cat. no. SCHEER 1
current bid (copy 1): $8.00
currrent bidder (copy 1): K

current bid (copy 2): $7.00
currrent bidder (copy 2): D

VARIOUS ARTISTS (Liquorice, Kendra Smith, Red House Painters): "Joe Friday"
7" single; 4AD; cat. no. K9
current bid: $10
currrent bidder: K

12" EPs, 10" EPs,
LPs^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

508 --- some ringwear on sleeve and inner sleeves, vinyl is in M-
current bid: $15
currrent bidder: A

THIS MORTAL COIL: "Song to the Siren" / "Sixteen Days, Gathering Dust" 12"
EP; 4AD; cat. no. BAD 310
current bid: $15
current bidder: A

**VARIOUS ARTISTS: "Red Hot + Bothered: The Indie Rock Guide to Dating 1" 10"
+ fanzine; RED HOT/Kinetic; cat. no. 45954 --- features Liquorice, Folk
Implosion, Noise Addict, Grifters and Freedom Cruise (with Kim and Kelley
Deal); ltd. edition of 1,000; OUT-OF-PRINT
minimum bid: $15
currrent bidder: -none-


CDEPs,CDs^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

minimum bid: $7
currrent bidder: -none-

ex-Moles Richard Davies and Eric Matthews
current bid: $7
current bidder: C

**FRAZIER CHORUS: "Ray" CD; Charisma; cat. no. 91641 --- U.S. issue NOW
DELETED
minimum bid: $13
currrent bidder: -none-

cat. no. 2-45902-A
minimum bid: $10
currrent bidder: -none-

PRINCESS DRAGONMOM (Warren Defever a.k.a. HNIA, ESP): "Slow Poke In. 12 CD
with kernel of corn; Insignificant Records; no cat. no.
current bid: $15
current bidder: B

Dedicated; cat. no. DEDCD 008
minimum bid: $30
currrent bidder: -none-

**VARIOUS ARTISTS: "Facing the Wrong Way" CD; 4AD U.K.; cat. no. FTWW 1
minimum bid: $20
currrent bidder: -none-

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*ALL BIDS MUST BE SUBMITTED PRIVATELY TO: RBN [email protected]

*Bids will be accepted up until 8:00 pm (central standard time) of Wednesday
April 10th, 1996.

*Items will go to the person with the highest bid placed before the
aforementioned deadline.

*Winners who fail to make payment on items will forfeit the item to the next
highest bidder.

*Postage must be paid by winning bidder.

*All participants with contending bids will be updated as necessary.


RBN [email protected]

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:24:07 EDT
From: Alan Daniel ([email protected])
Subject: Re: non4ad- record label help wanted

On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, lorelei tremolor wrote:

> now this label (which is a major) is going to offer us a demo deal.  i'd
> appreciate anyone's input on demo deals, because we never knew anything
> about them til the A&R guy told us that it was a possibility.  apparently
> the label is going to front the costs for us to record a 4-song demo, at
> the studio of our choice.  they're not going to ask us for any money.
> all they want is first refusal...
>
> it's all so fishy, we think.  but people have told me that since the
> label has money, it's pretty typical for them to be throwing it around
> looking for some new bands.

i have two friends in seperate bands that had/will do the same thing.  one
band was passed on by the label that provided the money.  in fact they had
already paid for the artwork, which the label is letting them have also...
no charge.  the other band is recording their demo right now for a major
under the same circumstances.  i don't think you have anything to worry
about.  just think how much money has been floated to my bloody valentine.

alan


Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:54:00 EST
From: Timothy Kowalsky ([email protected])
Subject: Akropolis

Akropolis Arts Magazine's next issue has arrived.

Check out the arts magazine that has won numerous awards, including
the Microsoft Network Pick of the Week list, and the GNN Select list.
We believe that you are interested in more than just pretty graphics!
(but we try to give you those too!)

Our content includes discussion of fine art, theatre, and music,
as well as film and music reviews.  We also continue to feature
our online art gallery, and next month will launch our gallery
of literature as well!

New this month:

L J Winson digs up the dirt on 'Interactive Fiction' on the web,
Michael Butler (original Producer - Hair) discusses producing theatre,
And more!


Thanks to the good folks at IQuest Internet, we have a new home!

Akropolis

If you are reading this list, you probably have something interesting
to say -- we'd like to hear it!  (and tell other people too!)
We are currently looking for musical reviews (not to mention anything
else that might be considered artsy!)  If interested, shoot us
some email at:
[email protected]

Thanks!


Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 20:38:51 -0700
From: David McCallum ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Speculation about Artistic Intention - Delayed Response

Christian Perring wrote:

> o Often artists are unwilling to talk about themselves, and many are
> incredibly inarticulate and lack much insight to the meaning of their own
> music.  For instance, to stir up a hornets nest, I've never seen the
> Cocteau Twins say much of any interest or illumination about their own
> music.

        I don't see why this would be a fault.  The power of music is such
a mystery.  No hornet's nest here, I just feel that sometimes artists just
aren't interested in self-analysis - especially after the fact.
        What's there to talk about.  One makes some noise.  Some people like
it, some don't.  One touches some people, others one doesn't.  One makes a
living at it or one doesn't.

        Sure you have people like Brian Eno or Florian Schneider who are
quite good at talking and writing about what they do, but you can't fault
artists that aren't as introspective.

______________________________________________________________________________
David McCallum                                                [email protected]
                  http://www.efn.org/~mccallum/arkane.html
                 a shrimpy shrine to the music of a.r. kane


Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:40:38 -0500
From: Shane Clark ([email protected])
Subject: nearing the end of "h" in my alph. cd tour

i don't know how many people on this list would have hole's "pretty on the
inside" but i was listening to it today for the first time in probably 3 years
and was freaked out to hear the music for "dark entries" with hole lyrics.  the
song is "mrs. jones" and the music is exact.  i must have been out of the room
every time this song played because i never noticed it.  hmm...and i sure don't
see bauhaus credited anywhere.

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:37:38 -0800
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: 4AD-List FAQ announcement

People have started asking a lot of Frequently Asked Questions again
(like "how do I get the list in digest form") so methinks it's time to
announce the existence of the FAQ again:


Incidentally, to get a daily digest you first subscribe to the list and
then send the command "set 4AD-L mail digest" in the body of a message to
[email protected]

Recent additions to the FAQ include
 - Explication of the whole ESP Summer thing including ordering info
 - The Cocteau Twins Fruitopia commercial
 - A couple of links to new web pages that were recently announced to the
list

As always please send suggestions or corrections my way.

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            [email protected]
            Some outside and some indoors--
            Oh my oh my oh dinosaurs            ________________________
                                                http://www.mooseyard.com


Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:40:02 +0100
From: "shakespeare's sister" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Twin Cities Accents (no-4AD Content)

On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, aka Wavequeen wrote:

> You wrote:
> >
> >>P.S.:  does anyone here actually live in North Dakota or Minnesota?
> Just
> >>wondering?
> >
> >I am from Minnesota!!!  I have lived there all my life...except now I
> go to
> >school in Madison, WI.
> >
> well, i just got back on line after a two week hiatus.  i'm a
> transplant to minneapolis.  the 'accents' aren't nearly as nasty as
> most of the people.  forget the crap about minnesota nice, in fact
> people are so cold here, i'm moving to colorado where I went to high
> school.  i'm sure minnesota could care less and i will be a happier
> person as well.  the 'accents' are pretty funny although Fargo was a
> really over-emphasized.  cheers, euthelene who's outta here in a year,
> you betcha
>



 bitter?

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:19:12 -0700
From: einexile the meek ([email protected])
Subject: Stina Nordenstam list.

          Chris Forsberg 

They finally set it up for me. In the interests of joining together the
many Stina fans here and about, I offer the list at (you're gonna love
this...)

        [email protected]

Normally these types of lists annoy me but in my experience Stina's fans
are strewn over such a wide area (not just these two lists) that I felt it
was warranted. To subscribe, just ask; I maintain the list manually. For
this reason, there may be a delay in response time--but it's not like
anyone's mailbox is gonna fill up. :)


        e

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:50:48 -0400
From: Roy Burns ([email protected])
Subject: Auction Update #5: 4AD + listy...REDUCED!

Hello all! Here is the second auction update for 4.10.96. The items listed
are separated into groups by format (7" Singles / 12" EPs, 10" EPs and LPs /
CDEPs and CDs). Unless otherwise noted, all items are M or M-. Information on
bidding to follow...

**As I'd like everyone to have a chance on bidding (and since I am in dire
need of cash), note reduced minimums on selected items.

Remember, all bids due no later than 8:00 pm (central standard time) of
Wednesday April 10th, 1996. This is TONIGHT! As needed, there will be updates
until that hour.

Ta Da!

Roy

RBN [email protected]


7"Singles^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

single; 4AD; cat. no. SCHEER 1
current bid (copy 1): $8.00
currrent bidder (copy 1): K

current bid (copy 2): $7.00
currrent bidder (copy 2): D

VARIOUS ARTISTS (Liquorice, Kendra Smith, Red House Painters): "Joe Friday"
7" single; 4AD; cat. no. K9
current bid: $10
currrent bidder: K

12" EPs, 10" EPs,
LPs^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

508 --- some ringwear on sleeve and inner sleeves, vinyl is in M-
current bid: $15
currrent bidder: A

THIS MORTAL COIL: "Song to the Siren" / "Sixteen Days, Gathering Dust" 12"
EP; 4AD; cat. no. BAD 310
current bid: $15
current bidder: A

**VARIOUS ARTISTS: "Red Hot + Bothered: The Indie Rock Guide to Dating 1" 10"
+ fanzine; RED HOT/Kinetic; cat. no. 45954 --- features Liquorice, Folk
Implosion, Noise Addict, Grifters and Freedom Cruise (with Kim and Kelley
Deal); ltd. edition of 1,000; OUT-OF-PRINT
minimum bid: $15
currrent bidder: -none-


CDEPs,CDs^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

minimum bid: $7
currrent bidder: -none-

ex-Moles Richard Davies and Eric Matthews
current bid: $8
current bidder: D

**FRAZIER CHORUS: "Ray" CD; Charisma; cat. no. 91641 --- U.S. issue NOW
DELETED
minimum bid: $13
currrent bidder: -none-

cat. no. 2-45902-A
minimum bid: $10
currrent bidder: -none-

PRINCESS DRAGONMOM (Warren Defever a.k.a. HNIA, ESP): "Slow Poke In. 12 CD
with kernel of corn; Insignificant Records; no cat. no.
current bid: $15
current bidder: B

Dedicated; cat. no. DEDCD 008
current bid: $30
currrent bidder: i

**VARIOUS ARTISTS: "Facing the Wrong Way" CD; 4AD U.K.; cat. no. FTWW 1
minimum bid: $20
currrent bidder: -none-

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

*ALL BIDS MUST BE SUBMITTED PRIVATELY TO: RBN [email protected]

*Bids will be accepted up until 8:00 pm (central standard time) of Wednesday
April 10th, 1996.

*Items will go to the person with the highest bid placed before the
aforementioned deadline.

*Winners who fail to make payment on items will forfeit the item to the next
highest bidder.

*Postage must be paid by winning bidder.

*All participants with contending bids will be updated as necessary.


RBN [email protected]


Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:59:10 -0500
From: Martin Wagner ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Speculation about Artistic Intention - Delayed Response

On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, David McCallum wrote:

> Christian Perring wrote:
> > o Often artists are unwilling to talk about themselves, and many are
> > incredibly inarticulate and lack much insight to the meaning of their own
> > music.  For instance, to stir up a hornets nest, I've never seen the
> > Cocteau Twins say much of any interest or illumination about their own
> > music.
>
>         I don't see why this would be a fault.  The power of music is such
> a mystery.  No hornet's nest here, I just feel that sometimes artists just
> aren't interested in self-analysis - especially after the fact.
>         What's there to talk about.  One makes some noise.  Some people like
> it, some don't.  One touches some people, others one doesn't.  One makes a
> living at it or one doesn't.
>         Sure you have people like Brian Eno or Florian Schneider who are
> quite good at talking and writing about what they do, but you can't fault
> artists that aren't as introspective.

I would agree with this. Many artists feel their music should speak for
itself and don't feel the urge to elaborate further. Other artists like
Lisa Germano take up half a concert set explaining each song in
painstaking detail. It all has to do with what gives the artist personal
satisfaction, and neither type of artists is more or less worthy than the
other.

Martin


Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:52:11 -0400
From: captain dave ([email protected])
Subject: speaking of grocery stores..

<>i was minding my own damned business the other day in the grocery store
and what do i hear? a muzak rendition of a track from "four calendar
cafe"! so naturally i bought more groceries that night.

<>has anyone on this list listened to rosewater elizabeth from tampa,
florida? they are aok-amazing. they have two albums on the label called
24 hour service station called "faint" and "le petit morte". they are
works of art, from beginning to end. has this group already been
discussed? they've been compared to cocteaus and dcd but they are really
in a category of their own. believe me you, there's nothing like a good
crescendo......

<>incidentally, i'll be interviewing mojave 3 and scheer on the 25th of
april. anyone have any questions they want answered? let me know. i'll be
charging $5 per question. ha ahahahahahahahah. joke. about the money, i'm
still doing the interview. is anyone going to the shows in va beach or
dc? i'll let you buy me a drink. ooh. aah.

goodbye then
dave ([email protected])


Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:37:57 -0700
From: Brandon Capps ([email protected])
Subject: roland gp-16 fx 4sale

          indiepop list 

hello all!
i have finally decided to part ways with my trusty 'ol Roland GP-16 after
getting 4 years of joyful noise making out  of it.  i am the original
owner and am selling the multi-effects processing rack along with a
FC-100 footcontroller and EV-5 expression pedal for the sum of $495.00 us
dollars (not including shipping).  it is a reliable and easy-to-program
effects unit that can create very subtle to extremely alien-like effects
for your guitar.  Lush, Ride, and Pale Saints are known for using the
same rack on their recordings.  if interested, please e-mail me privately
at [email protected]

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
                             brandon capps
                             p.o. box 1483
                            tempe, az 85280
                                 u.s.a.
                           [email protected]
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:47:58 -0400
From: Joseph Burns ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Stereolab

Stereolab is playing two shows the same night in San Fran April 30 - one
at 7 and the other like at 10 or something. Just wondering if anybody has
been at a gig like this of theirs - do they play different sets? is it
worth it to stay for both?

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:38:28 -0400
From: Roy Burns ([email protected])
Subject: LAST CALL!!!! Auction Update #6: 4AD + listy...REDUCED!

Hello all! Here is the LAST AUCTION UPDATE. The items listed are separated
into groups by format (7" Singles / 12" EPs, 10" EPs and LPs / CDEPs and
CDs). Unless otherwise noted, all items are M or M-. Information on bidding
to follow...

**As I'd like everyone to have a chance on bidding (and since I am in dire
need of cash), note reduced minimums on selected items.

Remember, all bids due no later than 8:00 pm (central standard time) of
Wednesday April 10th, 1996. This is TONIGHT (in 1/2 hour to be exact)! Again,
this is the LAST UPDATE FOR THIS AUCTION!

Apologies to anyone whom these posts might have offended.

Good luck!

Roy

RBN [email protected]


7"Singles^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

single; 4AD; cat. no. SCHEER 1
current bid (copy 1): $8.00
currrent bidder (copy 1): K

current bid (copy 2): $7.00
currrent bidder (copy 2): D

VARIOUS ARTISTS (Liquorice, Kendra Smith, Red House Painters): "Joe Friday"
7" single; 4AD; cat. no. K9
current bid: $10
currrent bidder: K

12" EPs, 10" EPs,
LPs^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

508 --- some ringwear on sleeve and inner sleeves, vinyl is in M-
current bid: $15
currrent bidder: A

THIS MORTAL COIL: "Song to the Siren" / "Sixteen Days, Gathering Dust" 12"
EP; 4AD; cat. no. BAD 310
current bid: $15
current bidder: A

**VARIOUS ARTISTS: "Red Hot + Bothered: The Indie Rock Guide to Dating 1" 10"
+ fanzine; RED HOT/Kinetic; cat. no. 45954 --- features Liquorice, Folk
Implosion, Noise Addict, Grifters and Freedom Cruise (with Kim and Kelley
Deal); ltd. edition of 1,000; OUT-OF-PRINT
minimum bid: $15
currrent bidder: -none-


CDEPs,CDs^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

current bid: $7
currrent bidder: E

ex-Moles Richard Davies and Eric Matthews
current bid: $8
current bidder: D

**FRAZIER CHORUS: "Ray" CD; Charisma; cat. no. 91641 --- U.S. issue NOW
DELETED
minimum bid: $13
currrent bidder: -none-

cat. no. 2-45902-A
minimum bid: $10
currrent bidder: -none-

PRINCESS DRAGONMOM (Warren Defever a.k.a. HNIA, ESP): "Slow Poke In. 12 CD
with kernel of corn; Insignificant Records; no cat. no.
current bid: $15
current bidder: B

Dedicated; cat. no. DEDCD 008
current bid: $30
currrent bidder: i

**VARIOUS ARTISTS: "Facing the Wrong Way" CD; 4AD U.K.; cat. no. FTWW 1
current bid: $20
currrent bidder: E

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

*ALL BIDS MUST BE SUBMITTED PRIVATELY TO: RBN [email protected]

*Bids will be accepted up until 8:00 pm (central standard time) of Wednesday
April 10th, 1996.

*Items will go to the person with the highest bid placed before the
aforementioned deadline.

*Winners who fail to make payment on items will forfeit the item to the next
highest bidder.

*Postage must be paid by winning bidder.

*All participants with contending bids will be updated as necessary.


RBN [email protected]


Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:13:00 CDT
From: anaconda ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Love and Rockets

At 07:03 AM 4/10/96 -0400, you wrote:
>You can find the tour itinerary at the 'official' l&r web page, which
>is somewhere on the american recordings server. try the generic
> http://www.american.com  or use a searchengine and look under the
>group's name.
>
>dan k.
>p.s. sell all your posessions if necessary and see them!

Most defintely!

When they played last night here in Chicago, they did something
extra-special and rolled out a _very_ old song...by another band..
that's right...they decided to play a Bauhaus song for the first time
as LnR's...Woohoo! A nice version of Slice of Life...wow!

bob
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Fire, let it burn, Fire, see how it feels...Forthcoming Fire
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:13:00 CDT
From: anaconda ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Love and Rockets anyone?

          [email protected]

At 12:29 AM 4/10/96 -0500, Michael S Kilgour wrote:
>Sorry about the non-Cure content, but I was just wondering if anyone is
>going to the Love and Rockets show in Minneapolis tomorrow?  If so drop me
>a line as I'd love to meet some fellow Babblers.

Speaking of...

I had the fine opportunity to see them perform last night at the Metro here
in grand ole Chicago, IL....they opened the set with the Hot Trip to Heaven
song playing in the background. When the band took the stage, Mr. ash came
out looking very similar to a mr. bono (ala U2)..quite funny.

They opened with a very rocked up version of Ball Of Confusion..wow!
Other highlights were a housy version of No New Tale To Tell, a stretched
out Clean off the new album, a cover of an old Rock classic (rock on I think)...
which was the highlight in terms of odd musical sounds up to that point.

The true highlight was when David said "here is something from  _another_ band
that _this_ band has NEVER covered anything by"...and they proceeded to play
Slice of Life (from Bauhaus for those of you that do not
know)...wow...absolutely
brilliant! Overall, the show was very good, the band seemed to really be
enjoying
themselves on stage for a change and the crowd was good!

See them!

bob
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Fire, let it burn, Fire, see how it feels...Forthcoming Fire
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


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