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Subject: Modest proposal
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:59:24 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Upcoming releases
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:03:39 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: where to get 4AD posters, t-shirts?
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:50:57 +0000
From: misguided angel (ahr@phoenix.net)
Subject: lisa germano interview - longish
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 01:44:14 -0500
From: home is in your head (wbyers@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Help! Stereolab
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:21:32 +0100
From: "shakespeare's sister" (ekiernon@LUCROME.IT)
Subject: bands we wish were on 4AD
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 06:59:35 -0400
From: "les pierres, les arbres, les murs..." (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Stereolab
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 07:00:27 -0400
From: "les pierres, les arbres, les murs..." (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Capitalize it!
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 06:15:49 PST
From: NAME: Kennedy Cosker
Subject: Re: VW (Not Lush, Not Velocity girl)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 07:05:16 -0700
From: JT (easu447@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: yet more in cmj nmm
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:18:14 -0600
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@CS.COLOSTATE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Capitalize it!
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:20:13 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Modest proposal
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:57:45 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Capitalize it!
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:23:44 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Capitalize it!
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:13:04 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: bands we wish were on 4AD
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:35:22 -0400
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS4.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Capitalize it!
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:58:17 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Bros Quay & Bodhi Dharma
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:28:05 -0400
From: Abyss (abyss@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: i hope they scrape my pavement
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:47:41 -0500
From: Cori Wall (bruth@CREIGHTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: yet more in cmj nmm
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:53:23 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: FS: David Sylvian "Ember Glance"
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:24:58 -0700
From: "Chris.Hanks" (luna@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Auction Update #3: 4AD + listy...REDUCED!
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:23:55 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: i hope they scrape my pavement
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:55:20 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Real Audio Clip of Mojave 3 Live @ KCRW 11/95
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:13:18 -0400
From: "Rodney......who should really be working now......."
Subject: Re: yet more in cmj nmm
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:37:31 -0400
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Capitalize it!
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:37:28 -0400
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: Ads again..
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:33:38 +0100
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Twin Cities Accents (no-4AD Content)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 14:17:06 -0700
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: digest subscription help needed..
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 14:57:54 -0700
From: +*+*rainboy*+*+ (rainboy3@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Shaving the Pavement: the tape
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 14:00:57 -0700
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: 4AD Mini-Auction
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:05:12 -0700
From: Tony Aramouni (tony@TMN.CA)
Subject: European concert dates are up...cocteau twins...
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:31:27 -0700
From: Jack B Huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: digest subscription help needed..
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:40:47 -0600
From: monica (mmsather@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Twin Cities Accents (no-4AD Content)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:44:08 -0600
From: monica (mmsather@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: where to get 4AD posters, t-shirts?
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:42:07 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Capitalize it!
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:25:21 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: where to get 4AD posters, t-shirts?
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:23:14 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Capitalize it!
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:05:35 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: bros. quay video available
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:53:07 -0400
From: "James D. Lee" (Cassnyc@AOL.COM)
Subject: Stereolab
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:47:08 -0400
From: Kelly Kristin Leigh (kkelly@UCET.UFL.EDU)
Subject: Re: bros. quay vid's
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:31:51 -0600
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@CS.COLOSTATE.EDU)

Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:59:24 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Modest proposal


I've been thinking about the sad excuse for a name that "post-rock" is,
and the need for a better name. So how'bout we call the
Stereolab/Tortoise/QuickSpaceSuperSport/etc. sound...

* NEU-Wave *

"ba-dum-bum" -- that's either a drum hit or a Mary Hansen backing vocal.

pronounced "noy".)

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Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:03:39 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Upcoming releases


>From the latest Ear/Rational prerelease list; these are supposed to be
released next week. In decreasing order of thislistiness:

>Scheer-Wish You Were Dead 7"/CDS AD6005/BAD6005CD $3.25/$9.25
>New single from 4AD's loudest band. Shudderingly powerful, atmospheric indie
>love-metal with gorgeous female vocals, on inexpensive 7" vinyl, and
>good old CDS. 7" features the title and a cover of Blondie's "Hanging
>On the Telephone". CDS offers the title, the Blondie cover, an acoustic
>"Sad Loved Girl", and an instrumental version of "Cannon".  (4AD)

>Cocteau Twins-Milk & Kisses LP VINYL 5145011 $16.50
>Limited LP vinyl for the now album released a week after the CD.  (Fontana)

>Labradford-ScenicRecovery/UnderwoodSive 10" DS4512 $9.25
>(released May 1st or so) New import vinyl0only voyage from genius
>East Coast atmosphericals (and kranky label flagship), brought to you
>by Stereolab's Duophonic Label. Two new expressive, ether-based
>sonic-space-drones with shivering telekinetic qualities, plying chiming
>guitars, miasmatic bass and moog, minimal vocals and creepy, blunted
>percussion loops.

>McCarthy-That's All Very Well, But... CD CDMRED125 $15.25
>Stereolab's Tim and Laotitia used to be inna band called McCarthy,
>who's 2 outtaprint CDs I managed to get ahold of last year and sold
>briefly. This 22 track compilation assembled by the dynamic duo is
>effectively a "Best Of', plus a few rarities and BBC Session tracks.
>Thoughtful, jangly indie-guitar-pop that foreshadows the blossoming
>pro-Marxists Moog genius we've all come to know and love. Sleeve notes
>by St Etienne prima donna Bob Stanley.  (Cherry Red)


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Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
            Some outside and some indoors--
            Oh my oh my oh dinosaurs            ________________________
                                                http://www.mooseyard.com

Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:50:57 +0000
From: misguided angel (ahr@phoenix.net)
Subject: where to get 4AD posters, t-shirts?


can anyone fill me in on where to get 4AD t-shirts and posters old
and new?


Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 01:44:14 -0500
From: home is in your head (wbyers@INDIANA.EDU)
Subject: lisa germano interview - longish


a semi-newish interview with lisa germano about lots of things;
sorry it took me this long to type it in, i just found it in a pile of shite.

Lisa Germano-Hometown Girl
Bloomington Voice
Margie Ketchum
October 19-26, 1995

        For a hometown girl, Lisa Germano keeps a pretty low profile
around here. But this Friday night, she makes a rare Bloomington
appearance, playing at the Second Story for a benefit for Middle Way
House. Also on the bill are Sue Medley and Kim Fox.
        Germano, first known for playing violin behind John Mellencamp,
has gained much critical acclaim in her solo career. She released her
debut, 'On the Way Down from the Moon Palace', on her own label, then
signed with Capitol Records and put out 'Happiness'. She switched to the
4AD label, and they rereleased that one, then followed up with her most
recent, 'Geek the Girl'. A new disc is due out sometime next spring, says
Germano. "I thought it was going to be out in February, so it seems
longer to me," she says. "But we're just not quite done with it. We've
done most of it in Bloomington, using Paul Mahern, and we tracked it at
my house, used Kenny Aronoff on drums and Glenn Hicks, who plays in El
Nino, and his brother.
-(ed. Aronoff is a local studio drummer extraordinaire for mellencamp and
-just about everyone else at one time or another... the brothers Hicks
-are in El Nino, a local noisy pop band with one damned incredible
-guitarist! look for their CD nationally in late april on flat earth
-records where lisa germano makes a guest appearance.
-Paul Mahern also pruduced most of the El Nino album, and Ed Ackerson
-of minneapolis Polara fame did the other tracks...)
And we just tracked it with some Bloomington people and pretty much got
it done there. But I came out here to try to get some new blood in head
to see if I'm on the right track. You know, getting away from home
sometimes, it's good to go back and look at what you've done."
        The forthcoming release reflects a shift in perspective from Geek
the Girl. "We've been trying to make it not so negative," says Germano.
"The last one- in the long run, to me it's a positive record, but it's a
really sad record. This one isn't really sad; it's more like the person
writing it is a stronger person. Instead of a really weak person, the
person writing it is a little more on the outside looking at what
happened or remembering something. It's a little more distant. Geek the
Girl was so, deep-down, this person is really fucked up. This next record
is like, I'm not fucked up anymore, but look at the stupid things you
still do, and you still have to change. It's mostly about relationships
instead of about inner turmoil. I think I'm going to call it 'The Love
Circus', but I'm not sure. I've liked it for a long time, but then Lenny
Kravitz just came out with a record called 'The Circus' or 'Rock'n'Roll
Circus' or something, and that just bugs me. Everybody tells me I
shouldn't care at all, but I had this title like in May."
        Germano is trying to give up a bit of control to Mahern on the
new album, she says. "When Paul and I first turned in kind of a rough
version of what we were doing, 4AD liked it, and they could tell the
songs were saying something different, but they said it sounded a little
too much like Geek the Girl," says Germano. "Not too much like 'we won't
put it out,' but like 'it would be cool if you could stretch a little
further for your own sake so you don't keep putting out the same record.'
That's my fault, because Paul kept trying to make things just a little
more poppy and a little more light, but he let me do what i wanted to do
on it. So it kept ending up being more like the last record. So I've been
trying to let Paul do more and give him more control. I did the last
record pretty much by myself. He's been so cool about letting me do what
I want, but when he does what he wants, it's actually better. So I've
been trying to let him take a little more control."
        Her move from Capitol to 4AD two years ago resulted in more
creative and artistic freedom, evidence by the rerelease of Happiness.
The second version of the disc feels like a whole different album,
presumably the one that Germano wanted to make the first time around.
"You know, it's not really that different," she says. "What's mostly
different is just the sequence. There's two or three different mixes, but
I kept fighting with Capitol and trying to tell them taht I felt like the
sequence would make it feel a different way, and they just wouldn't let
me do it. It's amazing how many people think that the whole record is
mixed over or something. It's really just the sequence. 4AD is cooler
because they trust you. They'll give you some advice, but they don't put
you in a corner like a lot of record companies who say, 'Well, you have
to do that or we're not going to push your record.' 4AD just goes, 'Well,
I think this would be a cool idea, so think about it.' If you come back
and say, 'I did think about it and I don't think so,' they don't care.
They like to work with you."
        She says her albums don't sell great numbers, but the critics
love her. Her music is often not very radio-friendly, and she doesn't do
a lot of feel-good songs. Instead, she digs down deep to pour out
everything she has, producing intensely personal, intimate songs. "I
really don't know yet, or I don't know if I ever will, how to write about
other people." says Germano. "I can see something that happens to
somebody else, and it might affect me, but I can't really write a song
about it unless I go, 'whoa, I did that,' or 'God, I didn't realize I did
that.' Like I see someone else doing it and now I realize that I'm doing
it too."
        She says the next album deals more with relationships, and she
talks about those on a very personal level. "There's one about like after
you've broken up with this person, you realize that you liked it when you
were kind of treated badly, and you liked it when you were not
necessarily beat up - it doesn't really go that far - it's just kind of
like after it's over, you realize that you stayed in it because you
actually liked feeling bad because you didn't love yourself enough. I
guess I don't like to quite make a statement of, 'that's about domestic
violence,' because to me it was just more about a pretty bad relationship
that I didn't even know was so bad until I was out of it. Then you think
back and go, 'God, I could have gotten out of that a lot sooner had i
realized that I was kind of choosing to be there.' A lot of times you
stay in relationship for reasons that you don't know why; it's like
they're horrible and they don't work, but you can't leave."
        Perhaps a fitting tune for Friday's benefit, for Domestic
Violence Awareness Month. Cover is six dollars, and it goes to Middle Way
House, so go to Second Story and make a difference.


Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:21:32 +0100
From: "shakespeare's sister" (ekiernon@LUCROME.IT)
Subject: Re: Help! Stereolab


I just returned from a weekend trip to Prague, during which I saw Sonic
Youth with Stereolab opening.

This was my first time seeing Stereolab, and all I have to say is they
were more than incredible... it was an ethereal experience.

So, in response to the deluge of questions of Stereolab albums... I would
highly recommend first spending the money for a cd on one of their
concerts if at all possible...

cheers!


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ekiernon@lucrome.it                                         +39 (6) 35 58 81

"To him whose elastic and vigorous thought are guided by the course
of the sun... the day is a perpetual morning.."

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 06:59:35 -0400
From: "les pierres, les arbres, les murs..." (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: bands we wish were on 4AD


>Bands that we wish were on 4AD:
>> Also mentioned:
>> An April March/The Apples/Bel Canto/Bjork/The Blue Nile/Bowery
>> Electric/Chinchilla/DJ Shadow/Mark Eitzel/Elysium/ESP Beetles/Grant Lee
>> Buffalo/Lida Husik & Beaumant Hannant/Ivy (NYC one)/Laika/Leftfield/Legendary
>> Jim Ruiz Group/Low/Luna/Mellonta Tauta/Miranda Sex Garden/Mistle
>> Thrush/Movietone/My Bloody Valentine/October Project/Palace Bros/PJ
>> Harvey/Po!/Pram/Radiohead/Red House Painters/Shelleyan Orphan/Spoonfed
>> Hybrid/Starchild/Stina Nordentam/Swirlies/David
>> Sylvian/Tindersticks/Tricky/Versus/Weezer/Yo La Tengo/Hector Zazou
>>
>
>
>                Uh huh, uh huh,..ok I believe that,...I agree, I....wha-..
>        wait a minute....WEEZER?.....um...well if you say so.

The thing that makes this exercise (mostly) pointless is that these bands
already *have* record deals (yeah, I know, they could be dropped, but that
could happen on 4AD too).

I'm surprised no one suggested "my own band" or "my friend's band"...

Larry

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 07:00:27 -0400
From: "les pierres, les arbres, les murs..." (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Stereolab


>As a somewhat more refined question for the
>Stereolab fans, what albums would you recommend for
>someone (me) who prefers their lighter moments
>(Pack Yr Romantic Mind, Ping Pong etc.)? I have
>Transient, Peng and Mars Audiac Quintet. What bugs me
>the most about Stereolab is their tendency to go into
>long repetitive jams. Sometimes this is OK, but they
>soon get into a rut.

You could try the first half of _And The Groop Played Space-Age Bachelor Pad
Music_ or _Switched On_ (since that one is all singles).

Larry


Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 06:15:49 PST
From: Kennedy Cosker (coskerk%scruzhsa.uucp@SCRUZ.UCSC.EDU)
Subject: Capitalize it!


From: NAME: Kennedy Cosker FUNC: Information Services TEL: 454-4680 uucp%"jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu"@mrgate@maxx two TISHBITES...two SINGLE GIRLS... Then what is the logic of releasing two $10 3-song CDs with the same song on each? I just got the two new LUSH EPs and its the same trip there. Marketing plays a WHOLE lot here! I would NOT label either of these groups "independent" artists. These ARE musicians marketed by record companies with pretty, slick packaging and an agenda for sales. Sure they aren't brought to us by Pepsico but they are being marketed and YES money is being made. I feel it is a blatent waste of plastic to include the same song on two simultaneous releases! I now have 3 copies of 'Single Girl'(I think one would be enough THANK YOU!) and 2 copies of 'Tishbite'. I just hope my track-advance button doesn't get worn out. Kennedy

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 07:05:16 -0700
From: JT (easu447@EA.OAC.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: VW (Not Lush, Not Velocity girl)


On Mon, 8 Apr 1996 MiloV@AOL.COM wrote:

> I'm sure someone has already answered this but does anyone happen to know
> what the non-Lush, non-Velocity girl song in the VW ads is.  It's knda
> growing on me.  Female lead singer with a lot of eeeeee...'s in it.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>

Its been awhile (summertime) since i last saw/heard it but there was a VW
commercial with Moonpools and Catepillars singing 'Hear'.

chorus to that song definitely has a lot of heeeeeear in it.

in any case, you can call up volkswagon...their operators have a list
of the bands/songs playing on the various commercials.

jt

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:18:14 -0600
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@CS.COLOSTATE.EDU)
Subject: yet more in cmj nmm


(note - i started writing this a few days ago, when cmj nm showed up
in my mailbox.  sorry it has taken so long, but...)

well...just got my copy of cmj new music and it has some (semi)listie
things...

   o  short article on the brothers quay (been mentioned)
   o  bad review of cocteau twin's "milk and kisses"...can hardly wait
      to hear it...
   o  good review of love and rockets "sweet f & a"...hmmm...
   o  cover article about "guided by voices"...i never fully understand
      why they are considered listie, but...

and on the cd

   o  mark eitzel (southend on sea)
   o  guided by voices (the official ironman rally song)
   o  pee shy (little dudes) - nice accordian and
      clarinet...wonderfully twisted lyrics...what does their other stuff
      sound like?
   o  gillian welch (paper wings) - kinda country...kinda
      vibe...definitely laid back
   o  bel canto (rumor) - well, i was disappointed (as predicted my
      other listies).  seemed pretty formula synth+drum machine+vocal combo.
      not as interesting as their earlier albums.  nice beat, though.
      is the rest of the album *really* like this? :(
   o  husikesque (bad head day) - i wasn't going to put this one in,
      but people have been talking about them.  after a couple listens to
      this track, i'm not as excited as i hear i should be.  am i
      missing something?  is the album more interesting, as a whole?

i'm sure there are other things that people would consider listie, but
that is all i'm going to list for now. - drew...who is unaffiliated
with any agency even remotely considered part of the business entity
which operates cmj new music monthly...


Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:20:13 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Capitalize it!


>     two TISHBITES...two SINGLE GIRLS...
>
>     Then what is the logic of releasing two $10 3-song CDs with the same
>     song on each?

Apparently it's all about charting in the UK--even though they are
two eps they are counted as only one for the sales charts.  So... if
you buy both tishbite eps that counts as two tishbite eps being sold,
not one tishbite 1 ep and one tishbite 2 ep.  All pretty stupid, if
you ask me.

moran@hal-pc.org

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:57:45 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Modest proposal


neu-wave?

        ICK!   (or should I say >ich< )

post-rock works just fine, why fix it?


Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:23:44 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Capitalize it!


>    two TISHBITES...two SINGLE GIRLS...
>
>    Then what is the logic of releasing two $10 3-song CDs with the same
>    song on each?

It's a phenomenon that's become commonplace now here in the UK. It's all down to
chart regulations. The maximum number of formats for a single to be eligible for
the chart is three. Obviously, if you include the same tracks on all formats
then nobody but the most fanatical follower will buy more than one. If, however,
you include different songs on each, then many more people will buy more than
one of the discs. Thus, greater sales and a higher chart position. I think the
US singles chart is airplay-based (correct me if I'm wrong), but in the UK it's
100% sales based, so you could perhaps double first week sales, seriously
increase chart position, and thus increase band profile by this technique. Sure
it's a cynical marketing ploy, especially if you have to pay import prices. I
don't mind so much in cases like Belly's 'Seal My Fate' where the versions of
the song on CD's one and two were different, or Massive Attack where you have
about 8 mixes in total, but in the case of Tishbite, there were only three
tracks on each disc, one of which will be on the LP - so you're paying for four
songs what you would normally pay for eight.

In a perfect world, singles would be singles, and LPs would be LPs with no
duplication whatsoever. Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world, but a
capitalist one.

I guess 4AD's argument would be that if they don't do it when everybody else is,
then they'd have to sell twice as many copies as everybody else to obtain a
similar chart placing. But then that would be everybody's argument. It's a
bummer, to be sure.

Dez

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:13:04 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Capitalize it!


I'm not fond of the trend of double spending for a double single, but I
AM VERY FOND of having 12 bsides of current lush material that I like a
little more than the album itself. double singles maybe a little
annoying, but at least they allow bands to get more material out in public.
you know the old saying, If you dont like it dont buy it.

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:35:22 -0400
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS4.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: bands we wish were on 4AD


well, we sent a demo to 4ad and got it back a week later with a letter
saying "unfortunately we are not looking for new acts...good luck with
your career..."  and hand-written: "it has been listened to."

rejected lorelei  :(

>
> I'm surprised no one suggested "my own band" or "my friend's band"...
>
> Larry
>


Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:58:17 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Capitalize it!


Kennedy Cosker wrote:

>     Then what is the logic of releasing two $10 3-song CDs with the same
>     song on each? I just got the two new LUSH EPs and its the same trip
>     there. Marketing plays a WHOLE lot here! I would NOT label either of
>     these groups "independent" artists. These ARE musicians marketed by
>     record companies with pretty, slick packaging and an agenda for sales.
>     Sure they aren't brought to us by Pepsico but they are being marketed
>     and YES money is being made.

        The two-part single thing came about because, in the UK, singles
are not allowed to chart on the singles chart if they are over a certain
length.
        (It makes sense to me....an album is an album, a single is
a single, an ep is an ep and one can't very well have 12-track albums
calling themselves singles and placing on the singles chart.)
        So if there is over a certain amount of music (remixes or b-sides)
an artist wants released in support of a single, then a two-part single
is released.  Yeah, it's marketing, but so is album cover art.
        The A-side is included on both parts because it wouldn't make much
sense to release a "Tishbite" Single - Part Two without the song "Tishbite"
on it. (Some acts -like Massive Attack or Pet Shop Boys- will release a
radio edit or radio remix as the a-side of the second part of the single.)
        (And the only time I have felt an act compromised themselves for
these rules is when Orbital trimmed (with a fade) 40 seconds off of
"Lush (Underworld)" so it would fit in at under 40 minutes - as an ep.

>     I feel it is a blatent waste of plastic to include the same song on two
>     simultaneous releases! I now have 3 copies of 'Single Girl'(I think one
>     would be enough THANK YOU!) and 2 copies of 'Tishbite'. I just hope my
>     track-advance button doesn't get worn out.

        And isn't life itsself a blatant waste of plastic!

        David.

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:28:05 -0400
From: Abyss (abyss@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Bros Quay & Bodhi Dharma


Someone mentioned that a two volume Brothers Quay compilation had been released
on laserdisc by Voyager, but didn't have the details. I checked out their site

The Brothers Quay: Animation Survey


vol. 1: Street of Crocodiles, The Cabinet of Jan Svankmajer 1993 c 34 min CAV 1
disc V1074L $49.95

vol. 2: The Epic of Gilgamesh, Rehearsals for Extinct Anatomies, Nocturnal
Artificialia 1993 c 55 min CAV 1 disc V1078L $49.95


Note that it isn't a ripoff since the CAV format only holds 30 min to a side, an

animation fans will want to take advantage of the frame-by-frame
capabilities (though there's a still a lot of empty space on the first disc, and
the prices could have been a bit cheaper). You can order direct from Voyager,
though the Criterion Collection is pretty widely distributed (at least in the US
)
so you may be able to get it at a local store as well.

AND

I was shocked and delighted to find they're also releasing "Why has Bodhi Dharma
left for the East?" a gorgeous Zen film from 1991. I'm sure many of you would
enjoy it -- especially those who've admired "Baraka", which shares some of its
concerns -- though "WHBDLFTE?" goes about exploring them in a much different,
quieter, and, IMHO, more profound way. Well worth seeing.

Paul l'Abysse

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:47:41 -0500
From: Cori Wall (bruth@CREIGHTON.EDU)
Subject: i hope they scrape my pavement


i am looking for any info on tour dates for this tour
i am in omaha, ne  if they is going to be a concert
anywhere near me, will someone let me know?
please and thank you

========================
=THURSTON MOORE IS GOD =
========================

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:53:23 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: yet more in cmj nmm

              9 Apr 1996 08:18:14 -0600

>      o  bel canto (rumor) - well, i was disappointed (as
>   predicted my       other listies).  seemed pretty
>   formula synth+drum machine+vocal combo.       not as
>   interesting as their earlier albums.  nice beat, though.
>   is the rest of the album *really* like this? :(

Actually *rumour* is one of the stinkiest choices for the single (unless they
want to market themselves as "normal") and most of the songs are better than
this.  BUT keep in mind that only one or maybe two songs would NOT stick out
like a big red sore thumb on any previous BC album.  Don't expect the old Bel
Canto (whatever that means) but it's definately worth checking out on it's own
merits.

-cz


Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:24:58 -0700
From: "Chris.Hanks" (luna@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: FS: David Sylvian "Ember Glance"


This isn't exactly 4AD, but David Sylvian is an honorary
member, I suppose.  This 100-page book is very much in the
v23 vein.

I have the following disc/book for sale.  Looking for around US$60,
postage paid.  If interested, please let me know.  Thanks!

DAVID SYLVIAN / RUSSELL MILLS : EMBER GLANCE (THE PERMANENCE OF MEMORY)
   CD : 1991 US Caroline (DSRM 1)
        32:52   The Beekeeper's Apprentice
         2:24   Epiphany
       Ember Glance : The Permance of Memory was an installation
       of sculpture, sound and light by David Sylvian and Russell Mills.
       29.9.90 - 12.10.90 staged at the 'Temporary Museum' on Tokyo Bay,
       Shinigawa as part of a series of experimental exhibitions,
       installations and performances conceived and produced by
       national and international artists at the invitation of
       'Tokyo Creative ' 90.'
--
Chris.
luna@teleport.com

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:23:55 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Auction Update #3: 4AD + listy...REDUCED!


Hello all! Here is an auction update for 4.9.96. The items listed are
separated into groups by format (7" Singles / 12" EPs, 10" EPs and LPs /
CDEPs and CDs). Unless otherwise noted, all items are M or M-. Information on
bidding to follow...

**As I'd like everyone to have a chance on bidding (and since I am in dire
need of cash), note reduced minimums on selected items.

Remember, all bids due no later than 8:00 pm (central standard time) of
Wednesday April 10th, 1996. This is tomorrow!

Ta Da!

Roy

RBN Ry@aol.com


7"Singles^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

single; 4AD; cat. no. SCHEER 1
current bid (copy 1): $7.50
currrent bidder (copy 1): E

current bid (copy 2): $7.00
currrent bidder (copy 2): D

VARIOUS ARTISTS (Liquorice, Kendra Smith, Red House Painters): "Joe Friday"
7" single; 4AD; cat. no. K9
minimum bid: $10
currrent bidder: -none-

12" EPs, 10" EPs,
LPs^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

508 --- some ringwear on sleeve and inner sleeves, vinyl is in M-
current bid: $15
currrent bidder: A

THIS MORTAL COIL: "Song to the Siren" / "Sixteen Days, Gathering Dust" 12"
EP; 4AD; cat. no. BAD 310
current bid: $15
current bidder: A

**VARIOUS ARTISTS: "Red Hot + Bothered: The Indie Rock Guide to Dating 1" 10"
+ fanzine; RED HOT/Kinetic; cat. no. 45954 --- features Liquorice, Folk
Implosion, Noise Addict, Grifters and Freedom Cruise (with Kim and Kelley
Deal); ltd. edition of 1,000; OUT-OF-PRINT
minimum bid: $15
currrent bidder: -none-


CDEPs,CDs^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

minimum bid: $7
currrent bidder: -none-

ex-Moles Richard Davies and Eric Matthews
current bid: $7
current bidder: C

**FRAZIER CHORUS: "Ray" CD; Charisma; cat. no. 91641 --- U.S. issue NOW
DELETED
minimum bid: $13
currrent bidder: -none-

cat. no. 2-45902-A
minimum bid: $10
currrent bidder: -none-

PRINCESS DRAGONMOM (Warren Defever a.k.a. HNIA, ESP): "Slow Poke In. 12 CD
with kernel of corn; Insignificant Records; no cat. no.
current bid: $15
current bidder: B

Dedicated; cat. no. DEDCD 008
minimum bid: $30
currrent bidder: -none-

**VARIOUS ARTISTS: "Facing the Wrong Way" CD; 4AD U.K.; cat. no. FTWW 1
minimum bid: $20
currrent bidder: -none-

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

*ALL BIDS MUST BE SUBMITTED PRIVATELY TO: RBN Ry@aol.com

*Bids will be accepted up until 8:00 pm (central standard time) of Wednesday
April 10th, 1996.

*Items will go to the person with the highest bid placed before the
aforementioned deadline.

*Winners who fail to make payment on items will forfeit the item to the next
highest bidder.

*Postage must be paid by winning bidder.

*All participants with contending bids will be updated as necessary.


RBN Ry@aol.com


Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:55:20 -0700
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: i hope they scrape my pavement


On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, Cori Wall wrote:

> i am looking for any info on tour dates for this tour
> i am in omaha, ne  if they is going to be a concert
> anywhere near me, will someone let me know?
> please and thank you
>
> ========================
> =THURSTON MOORE IS GOD =
> ========================

        No, Lee Ranaldo is.

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:13:18 -0400
From: "Rodney......who should really be working now......."
Subject: Real Audio Clip of Mojave 3 Live @ KCRW 11/95


Hello all,

I found a Real Audio clip of Mojave 3 live that may be of interest.  It is
"where is the love" performed live on KCRW's Brave New World and I think it's
from the same show that "mercy" is taken from for the StP tape.  It can be
found along with other goodies at:


now if only I can figure out this RA player, then maybe I can actually hear
it myself…sigh…

enjoy,
Rodney


Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:37:31 -0400
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: yet more in cmj nmm


...not to mention a review of Scheer's "Infliction" (and a gross picture of
the album cover!)

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:37:28 -0400
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Capitalize it!


I thought this post was going to be about the "correct" spelling of scheer...

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:33:38 +0100
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Ads again..


Has anyone noticed that the new Vienetta advert uses This Mortal Coil's
Sixteen Days as the sound backdrop?

Just wondering.

Andie

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 14:17:06 -0700
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Twin Cities Accents (no-4AD Content)


You wrote:
>
Just
>>wondering?
>
>I am from Minnesota!!!  I have lived there all my life...except now I
go to
>school in Madison, WI.
>
well, i just got back on line after a two week hiatus.  i'm a
transplant to minneapolis.  the 'accents' aren't nearly as nasty as
most of the people.  forget the crap about minnesota nice, in fact
people are so cold here, i'm moving to colorado where I went to high
school.  i'm sure minnesota could care less and i will be a happier
person as well.  the 'accents' are pretty funny although Fargo was a
really over-emphasized.  cheers, euthelene who's outta here in a year,
you betcha

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 14:57:54 -0700
From: +*+*rainboy*+*+ (rainboy3@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: digest subscription help needed..


hello all..
   can someone please tell me how to subscribe to the digest version of
the list?..the listserv only gives info on how to sub to the regular
list..also, please if anyone cal help, e*mail the info to me, as im not
currently on the regular list...thanks in advance..

rainboy
--
       she wont put up with this life so she leaves him
          and she finds someone else, falls in love
                  and she travels far away
           i say its okay and swallow all my pain
                           **lush**

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 14:00:57 -0700
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Shaving the Pavement: the tape


Wow... this is a GREAT tape.

The Lush songs are no surprise.  Nor is Mojave3's Where is the Love.
Mercy, tho, live at KCRW is phenomenal.  The Scheer songs are typical Scheer.
You make your own opinion, I personally like them.

It's the second side that is so fantastic.  HNIA's ESP Summer is better
than 90% of mouth by mouth.  It is more reminiscent, I think of home is
in your head.  Lisa Germano's Small Heads is great.  I keep saying, her
new album is her best work to date.  Halfway to Madness, by Tarnation is
a different recording than the version on the album.  I like the album
version better.   The Devil is a typical Heidi Berry song and you all
should be more than familiar with the Amps' Pacer by now.  I don't know
how or when these will be available, but I think it's much better than
the last two samplers.... by far.  Check it out if you get a chance.

Strick9


Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:05:12 -0700
From: Tony Aramouni (tony@TMN.CA)
Subject: 4AD Mini-Auction


AUCTION MANIA!!

Greetings!  The following are items which I've discovered I had doubles of.  Sho
ld anyone wish
to put in a bid, please e-mail me back at jscottc@interlog.com before 12:01 am M
y 9, 1996.
Minimum bid is $10 for all items...

TWP 1         THE WOLFGANG PRESS            Time                UK  Pro  12"

TWP 3         THE WOLFGANG PRESS            Sucker/Mama         UK  Pro  12"

TWP 4         THE WOLFGANG PRESS            Remixes No. 1       UK  Pro  12"

TWP 5         THE WOLFGANG PRESS            Remixes No. 2       UK  Pro  12"

SCHEER 1      SCHEER                        Demon/Howling Boy   UK  Pro  7"

MIAMI 1       AIR MIAMI                     I Hate Milk (Remix) UK  Pro  12"

AD 5007       BELLY                         Seal My Fate        UK  7"  Clear vi
yl

AD 6001       LUSH                          Single Girl         UK  7"  Clear vi
yl

AD 6002       LUSH                          Ladykillers         UK  7"  Green vi
yl

All winners will be notified on May 10, 1996 via e-mail.  If you'd like more inf
rmation about
these items, please feel free to e-mail me anytime prior to the end of the aucti
n.

Good luck!

Jeff Keibel
jscottc@interlog.com
Toronto, Ontario
Canada


Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:31:27 -0700
From: Jack B Huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: European concert dates are up...cocteau twins...


hi everyone

robin just posted the European concert dates


the beauty of the internet ; )


jack b huynh
jhuy@garnet.berkeley.edu

                                http://www.cocteautwins.com/treasure

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:40:47 -0600
From: monica (mmsather@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: digest subscription help needed..


>hello all..
>   can someone please tell me how to subscribe to the digest version of
>the list?..the listserv only gives info on how to sub to the regular
>list..also, please if anyone cal help, e*mail the info to me, as im not
>currently on the regular list...thanks in advance..
>


is there a digest form???

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:44:08 -0600
From: monica (mmsather@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Twin Cities Accents (no-4AD Content)


>
forget the crap about minnesota nice, in fact
>people are so cold here,

What do you expect?  It is winter 9 months out of the year!  We are nicer
in June, really.

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:42:07 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: where to get 4AD posters, t-shirts?


On Mon, 8 Apr 1996, misguided angel wrote:

> can anyone fill me in on where to get 4AD t-shirts and posters old
> and new?

what do you want?
i can get ya
*"all virgos are mad" t-shirts (2 diff. styles) for
twenty-eight dollars (that includes shipping in the u.s. of a.)

*dead can dance t-shirt ("into the labyrinth", black) for twenty dollars
(incl. sh/handl.)

some belly, k. hersh, liquorice, throwing muses, and some more i can't
think of.

some posters...

all virgos are mad

a super huge dead can dance poster (into the labyrinth)

belly, mojave 3, tarnation, lush, well almost every band w/ a record out
in the last year.

anyway...
you can email me personally for any add. info

jrenaud@sun.science.wayne.edu


milk & kisses
star vein


Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:25:21 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Capitalize it!


Kennedy Cosker inspires in me a long-dormant urge to flame. So there.

>    Then what is the logic of releasing two $10 3-song CDs with the same
>    song on each?

To increase their UK chart position, as has already been described to
death.

>    I just got the two new LUSH EPs and its the same trip
>    there. Marketing plays a WHOLE lot here! I would NOT label either of
>    these groups "independent" artists.

No, since both of them have deals with major record labels. "Independent"
just describes whether the record label is owned by one of the Big Six
record companies (Sony, Warner, etc.)

>    These ARE musicians marketed by
>    record companies with pretty, slick packaging and an agenda for sales.

I'll give you a clue: Even the tiniest record company strives for pretty
(at least "effective") packaging and sales. Ask Brant whether Dewdrops
pays attention to packaging and makes an effort to sell their products.

>    Sure they aren't brought to us by Pepsico but they are being marketed
>    and YES money is being made.

How disgusting to make money! I'm sure when you get out of college you're
not going to try and do anything that crass. I imagine your own money
arrives untainted in tasteful envelopes sent by your parents?

>    I feel it is a blatent waste of plastic to include the same song on two
>    simultaneous releases!

Explain to me how it wastes any plastic to fill a CD 20% full as opposed
to 15% full. They could have put the song on each CD another eight times
and not have wasted any plastic.

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
            Some outside and some indoors--
            Oh my oh my oh dinosaurs            ________________________
                                                http://www.mooseyard.com


Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:23:14 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: where to get 4AD posters, t-shirts?


Hi,

I saw this post, and I was wondering what kind of a supply you have.  I
don't have any money right now (trying to pay off a car stereo - ugh!), but
I'd really like an AVAM shirt and some posters (I'll have to think about
which ones).  I know it's over a year old, but would you be able to get an
HNIA "Mouth by Mouth" poster?  And this is a longshot, but how about a TMC
"Filigree and Shadow" poster?

Thanks,
Jake
reicja00@usfca.edu

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:05:35 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Capitalize it!


    All I know is,
        I.got.both.Ladykillers@ix.netcom.com, both.Single.Girls@ix.netcom.com,
        Both.7@ix.netcom.com

inches (14 in all) and they're all pretty cool.


Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:53:07 -0400
From: "James D. Lee" (Cassnyc@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: bros. quay video available


both are on videotape also -- ask!

james/the cassandras

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:47:08 -0400
From: Kelly Kristin Leigh (kkelly@UCET.UFL.EDU)
Subject: Stereolab


I just recently bought "Peng", and I am quite impressed, to say the least.  My
roommate bought "Mars Audiac Quintet", and we were both disappointed.  There
were, of course, a few good songs, such as Ping Pong, but for the most part, I
found the songs annoyingly repetitious.  The overuse of the moog and organ
made me crazy.  Anyway, I was curious about "Switched On" because so many of
you recommended it.  My question -- Is it more like Peng than MAQ?  I really
don't want to buy something I'm not going to enjoy.  Thanks for your input.
                                        --Kris


Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:31:51 -0600
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@CS.COLOSTATE.EDU)
Subject: Re: bros. quay vid's


well, i just did a quick search on "quay" on video express (telnet to
videoexpress.com or browse at www.videoexpress.com) and came up with
the following.

 86869    BROS QUAY VOL. 1                     ---
 $32.26   VHS TAPE

 86870    BROS QUAY VOL. 2                     ---
 $40.81   VHS TAPE

 60918    BROTHERS QUAY VOL. 1                 ---
 $45.21   CHILDREN/ LASER DISC

 60950    BROTHERS QUAY VOL. 2                 ---
 $45.21   CHILDREN/ LASER DISC

available on both tape and ld (though i'm not convinced that the vhs
prices are reasonable (vol. 2 is almost the same as the ld price -
yargh).

oh, it also came up with... :)

 3252     UNOFFICIAL DAN QUAYLE VIDEO          WILL DURST
 $11.41   COMEDY/ 6/92   VHS TAPE

- drew