Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 23:48:54 -0500
As for Stereolab I'd highly recommend either
"Switched On" or "Mars Audiac Quintet".
Mars Audiac has a couple of songs that pass for poppy-accessible,
Switched On is just classic stereolab
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 20:47:58 -0800
I just picked up the Spoonfed Hybred cd today and must say it
rules! Thanx to the people who recomended it to me! I noticed that Ian
Masters sung most of the songs on Spoonfed and they sound just like the
first and second Pale Saints'.......My question: who did lead vocals on
the P.S. Cd's?
I also got the Pixies "Surfer Rosa" and all I can say is it's weird,
but in a VERY good way. They also had the same Cd, only it had 21 songs
and they wanted $22.50 for it. I was so tempted to buy that and the
Pizzicato Five's "By her magesty's request" but they wanted $30 for it.
Screw that! Is anyone a P5 fan?
I almost bought Shallow's...um...I forget the name but it's a remix
album and I wanted to hear the real thing first. I was told they sound
like Lush's "Spooky" any truth to that?
Ok, can anyone recomend something that sounds like Spoonfed but a
little more synth orented? Someone recomened "Lifeforms" by Future
Sounds of London but no one seems to have it. I've got their "Cascade"
CD, the first song is cool but I found the album as a whole to be
I also have to thank all of you for turning me on to all this great
music. I'm so happy! :>
Looking to drown himself in Reverb,
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 00:15:17 -0600
>Also, (possibly a different group of fans) are the first 2 Bel Canto
>albums (_White- Out Conditions_ and _Birds of Passage_) as good as
>_Shimmering, Warm and Bright_ and _Magic Box_?
>Thank you all very much for your help!
> [email protected]
No, they're not as good--they're far, far better. They have more
of a "chamber rock" feel, and the band still has a sense of distict
character as opposed to the generic, dance-type sound of the later
records. Also, they were a trio instead of a duo.
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 00:34:00 +0600
5 Apr 1996 11:14:24 GMT
> Also, (possibly a different group of fans) are the first
> 2 Bel Canto albums (_White- Out Conditions_ and _Birds
> of Passage_) as good as
> _Shimmering, Warm and Bright_ and _Magic Box_?
Each album is quite different. I like both WOC and BOP more than Magic Box but
both of these albums are much less accessible than MB or SW&B. *White-Out
Conditions* is just the perfect haunting brooding dying-in-the-snow
music--slower, more introspective and moody with spurts of frantic
pop-craziness. *Birds of Passage* has some of the best songs ranging from dark
("and so in vain they heal the stains and wounds on my body, so torn apart and
bloody) to the poppy "continuum." This album is a classic and beautiful
throughout but also seems a bit more dated (80's) sounding so your mileage may
vary. I think both these albums are EXCELLENT and absolutely need to be in any
collection of ethereal pop or female vocalists (Anneli is queen).
I hope this helps, write me if you need more info.
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 01:28:51 -0800
On Thu, 4 Apr 1996 [email protected]L.COM wrote:
> Cindytalk Sat 6 - Westbeth Theater
Trying to cash in on their connection to And Also the Trees, no doubt.Ivo
being a fan of the Cranes and all, who opened for The Cure. How
transparent can you get? :)
> Kurt Ralske Mon 8 - The Cooler
Tape this show for me and I will buy you your ticket and a drink. I am
totally serious about this. No reasonable offer refused. If not you, then
someone? Please? Help?
> Modern English May 3 (bingo night) - Irving Plaza
Hey, they're almost as old as the Cocteau Twins! Go back to Florida ya
NOI to *k-j* and her bingoism,
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 01:24:47 -0800
>I also got the Pixies "Surfer Rosa" and all I can say is it's weird,
>but in a VERY good way. They also had the same Cd, only it had 21 songs
>and they wanted $22.50 for it. I was so tempted to buy that and the
That would be the import CD with _Surfer Rosa_ and _Come on Pilgrim_,
their first release, added on. (I'm no Pixies expurt so this is all
top of the head.)
>I almost bought Shallow's...um...I forget the name but it's a remix
>album and I wanted to hear the real thing first. I was told they sound
>like Lush's "Spooky" any truth to that?
Hmm, the album, _3D Stereo Trouble_ is somewhere between Gala-Lush
and, hmm, more or less straight rockin' roll.. driving Super-Chunk-indie rock,
you know! (not a good description, I know) with an older Allison Shaw singing,
maybe 9 instead of 5 years old. The multitracked vox are very cool in parts.
The singer plays flute and cello somewhere in there too I think.
If you can, listen to it or the recent _CD Laser Lens
Cleaner_ at the store or somewhere first.
My current fave, dreamy, fuzzy, reverbed recent releases are Once Dreamt's
_Drifting_ 12" and either of Roy Montgomery's CDs _Scenes From the South
Island_ or the new one on kranky that is just as great, but
I've only heard it a leettle bit. (The Magnog CD from kranky sounds pretty
cool too, but I've heard even less of it.) G Gil will have to expound on them.
(I saw that Polara is supporting Garbage on tour now..
Hear's one person that thinks they may get quite big...)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 06:40:43 -0800
Been meaning to get this. Anyone here have it?
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 09:06:15 -0500
Since this thread was sort of brought up recently...
For those interested, Lida Husik has done an new, full-length album that was
engineered and programmed by Outcast Productions aka Beaumont Hannant and his
partner, Richard Brown. Kind of the next step from the Evening At The Grange
EP that Astralwerks released over an year and a half ago...
Called Green Blue Fire, the album represents another side of Lida Husik the
singer/songwriter, an eletronic side known as Husikesque. The best way I
could describe the album is to call it an ethereal abstract hip-hop record
with vocals. Sort of like Portishead, but much cleaner and not quite as dark
Check it out...
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 09:57:06 -0500
>As for Stereolab I'd highly recommend either
>"Switched On" or "Mars Audiac Quintet".
>Mars Audiac has a couple of songs that pass for poppy-accessible,
>Switched On is just classic stereolab
Everyone seems to forget about Peng! when it comes to recommending Stereolab
(maybe I'm just saying this because it was the first CD of theirs that I
got). It is at least as good as Switched On and complements it nicely,
showing their longer songs from the same period.
My recommendations would be Peng!, Switched On and Transient Random-Noise
Bursts with Announcements.
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 09:13:21 -0800
Burt Reynolds asked:
>Could some of you Stereolab fans point me toward a good starting
>point album-wise? I'm interested in hearing them, but don't know
>where to begin.
"Switched On" compiles their earliest singles and demonstrates the
Stereolab sound par excellence. If the first 30 seconds of
"Super-Electric" don't get you hopping around the room like a crazy
person, there's no hope for you. (Originally released on Slumberland in
the US, possibly Too Pure in the UK. I _think_ American has rereleased
"Peng!" is overall mellower than "Switched On" and I found it a bit less
immediately catchy, but it's a great album. (It's on Too Pure, rereleased
"Transient Random-Noise Bursts With Announcements" is another excellent
album with some great pop songs and longer more experimental tracks like
"Golden Ball" and "Jenny Ondioline". It should be easy to find since it's
on Elektra in the US.
"Refried Ectoplasm" is the sequel to "Switched-On" and despite being a
collection of rarities and b-sides is just as strong as the prequel. It
includes some of their best songs, such as "John Cage Bubblegum" and
"French Disko". (It's on Drag City.)
I wouldn't recommend "Mars Audiac Quartet" or "The Groop Played Space-Age
Batchelor [sic] Pad Music" as first purchases; they're both rather weak
and include some listless novelty pop numbers.
Jens Alfke [email protected]
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 09:25:48 -0800
>I also got the Pixies "Surfer Rosa" and all I can say is it's weird,
>but in a VERY good way. They also had the same Cd, only it had 21 songs
>and they wanted $22.50 for it.
That's a good price actually, as it includes the "Come On Pilgrim" EP
which was their first release and which is just as essential (and as
weird) as "Surfer Rosa". Your Pixies experience is not complete until
you've heard "Isla de Encanta" or "Levitate Me"!
I'm not sure whether "Come On Pilgrim" is available separately on CD, at
least in the US.
>Ok, can anyone recomend something that sounds like Spoonfed but a
>little more synth orented? Someone recomened "Lifeforms" by Future
>Sounds of London but no one seems to have it.
If you do find it make sure it's the excellent "Lifeforms Paths 1-7" EP
with Liz Fraser and not the full "Lifeforms" double-CD which I find
I haven't heard Spoonfed Hybrid, but if you're looking for
mellow-but-not-somnolent synth stuff I'd recommend:
"Feed Your Head" comp (on Planet Dog, or Mammoth in the US)
(volume 2 is better but 1 is nice too.)
"Excursions In Ambience" comp, vol.1 (on Astralwerks) (includes a very
good FSOL track)
"Artificial Intelligence 2" comp (on Warp)
Biosphere's "Microgravity" or "Patashnik" (on Apollo)
All of this is what I'd call "ambient techno". Most of it includes beats
but they don't club you over the head. If you're looking for something
with major beats per minute but not too repetitive and with lots of wild
synth sounds, Eat Static are your best bet -- get "Abduction" first, it's
the finest techno album I've ever heard.
Jens Alfke [email protected]
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 12:57:09 EST
Lots of bits and pieces to discuss / comment on
For UK readers, managed to replace my nicked copy of HNIA's King Of Sweet at the
Rough Trade shop in Covent Garden on Thursday - and they've still got at least
one copy left. 17 quid though.
The new Kim Deal produced Guided By Voices LP, 'Under The Bushes, Under The
Stars' is pretty neat. Expect no surprises, but the songs are as strong as ever
(and, for the most part, as short).
Chris Trout of AC Temple/Spoonfed Hybrid notoriety plays guitar on Leeds band
Coping Saw's new four song seven inch, which I recommend unreservedly to fans of
Pavement / Laika style pop. It's out on Neptunes, a Belfast label - e-mail me
for more info.
Autechre contribute a mix to the new Lamb single 'Gold', Manchester's new drum
'n' bass / hip-hop sensations. Good too.
Other recommendations, are the new Walkabouts album, Devil's Road (their best),
Mark Eitzel's 60 Watt Silver Lining (which I know is old news to you Stateside)
and T Power's epic drum 'n' bass symphony in four acts, 'Police State'.
Underworld - Second Toughest In The Infants (Junior Boys Own)
Mark Eitzel - 60 Watt Silver Lining (Virgin)
Walkabouts - Devil's Road (Virgin)
Coping Saw - Gettin' Nice With Coping Saw (Neptunes 7")
T Power - Police State (Sound Of The Underground)
Mr Scruff - Hocus Pocus (Rob's Records 12")
Guided By Voices - Under The Bushes, Under The Stars (Matador)
Lush - Lovelife (4AD)
Primal Scream - Trainspotting (from Trainspotting ost - EMI)
Grifters - Ain't My Lookout (Sub Pop)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 12:58:24 -0500
>My current fave, dreamy, fuzzy, reverbed recent releases are Once Dreamt's
>_Drifting_ 12" and either of Roy Montgomery's CDs _Scenes From the South
>Island_ or the new one on kranky that is just as great, but
>I've only heard it a leettle bit. (The Magnog CD from kranky sounds pretty
>cool too, but I've heard even less of it.) G Gil will have to expound on
Jeez. And just when I was on my coffee break. :)
Okay. GuerillaG gives two hearty paws-up to the Magnog and Roy Montgomery
CDs. Want more info? Here ya go... (reprinted without express permission from
a future issue of the Big Takeover - but I wrote 'em, so...)
-His early bands, PIN GROUP and SHALLOWS, defined the Velvets-influenced
direction of early Flying Nun with their few 45"s...
-DADAMAH were of another dimension of greatness; I've rambled about them
-Chris Heaphy and Roy formed DISSOLVE, taking a cinematic approach to harsh,
uncompromising guitar-scrape layering. Kranky again, of course.
-Roy was one of FLYING SAUCER ATTACK's many live guitarists, continuing the
tradition that ex-FSA folks have of releasing stunning life-changing works of
art (see: Movietone, Third Eye Foundation, Amp, etc)
TEMPLE IV (Kranky)
DADAMAH never got their chance to rule the world. DISSOLVE remains a rare
treasure discovered by far too few. The link between the two bands, guitarist
ROY MONTGOMERY, probably doesn't care. His own solo work, numerous 7"s , the
extraordinary Scenes From the South Island, and Temple IV, bears the mark of
a man who makes music with little regard for commercial success. The long and
contemplative tracks of Temple IV seem to unspool from Montgomery's very
soul, unconcerned with formalities such as hooks, choruses, and faux angst.
Both Vini Reilly and Maurice Deebank have grazed these same pastures, but
they only rarely managed the lithe organic efflorescence of Montgomery's
six-string lyricism. Though the gentle melodicism of the music belies it,
there's great pain in every shimmering note. The heartache of loss nurtures
Temple IV like a stream, sometimes bubbling to the surface as ribbons of
caustic feedback. More often the music glides like a karmic river - washing
away hurt and suffering in its deeply reflective flow. Praise Kranky for yet
another album of eloquence and subtle power.
(PO Box 578743, Chicago IL 60657)
If you dig Montgomery, try LOREN MAZZACANE-CONNORS. He's bluesier and a
little more interested in pure tones than in melodies. But his playing grabs
you and doesn't let go. His live improvised collaboration with Japanese
guitar guru, Keijii Haino, would make an excellent starting point for
exploring Mazzacane. Quiet and introspective, but burning with inner fire.
Yet another guy with a crappy ($60, actually) guitar, a heavily abused amp,
and a spirit bursting with extraordinary music.
Magnog appear on the scene without the customary collectible debut singles,
materializing out of thin ether with a disc-filling (11 minutes more on
vinyl) journey into spacious ambience. At first glance these three
as-drone-auts resemble their labelmates, Bowery Electric. Then ticklish
Eastern riffage, geometric as a mosque frieze, peeks out from under the slabs
of drone. "Relay" is shaken by lashes of surly feedback as it floats,
dirigible-like, in a turbid sea of clouds. Reflections of the great Dif Juz
are visible in the sprinting guitars of "Learning Forgetfulness," gilding the
song's flowing FSAish theme. Dual Moog lines spiral through the ambiguous
"Shapeshifter," gradually defining its sinuous form. All these elements merge
for the gorgeous starstreaked "A Moments Seam" and "Borne Upon Waves," more
soothing than a mug of warm milk and honey before bed. Maybe it's a "Kranky
thing" or just a consequence of being neighbors of Jessamine (whose ANDY
BROWN produces and adds more keyboards). Whatever it is, Magnog's first
spacewalk lands them firmly in the highest echelon of cosmic troubadours.
(PO Box 578743, Chicago IL 60657)
Lookit dat! I even got a Classic 4AD reference in there... NOW it's a
These are two SERIOUSLY fine albums. As are the recent efforts from Flies
Inside the Sun and Doramaar (both featuring another Dadamite, Kim Pieters).
Why can't the next Kranky be Jessamine's double-platter instead of another
ho-hum serving of Spiny Anteaters?! Oh well.... I just met Bruce Adams (Mr.
Kranky), and he seemed to have his proverbial "stuff" together - so we'll
just have to trust him.
Maybe DrunkenFish will come through with that rumored "Music of the Spheres"
boxed set, featuring collaborations between Bardo Pond, Jessamine, Roy
Montgomery, and someone else whose name escapes me right now. Vinyl only...
One more thislisty (sorta) byte:
The new Moose (for which I'd been waiting since early October!) is as
brilliant as all the 'old' Moose. "Live a Little Love a Lot" retains the
patent Moose twinkling layered pop, and features vocal contributions from Liz
Frasier on the magnificent "Play God." It's so great to see that they're
still around, and that they haven't lost a bit of their genius.
Speaking of 'still around...', Insides were really on to something with
"Euphoria". Where are they now?! Come baaaaaaaaaack!
- and now my coffee's cold. S'okay... I'm a tea-totaller myself. :)
one word: IMMERSION.
Colin Newman was ahead of his time yet again
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 14:33:06 -0500
Well, finally! I've had a whole 4 hours to myself, so here are some more
results. Sorry for the delay, and thank you for not hounding me, everyone!
Once again, the first number indicates the total number of votes received for
each release; the second tells how many different people cast votes for that
WORST 4AD GRAPHIC DESIGN OF THE YEAR
1. (40)Air Miami-Me, Me, Me (4)
3. (35)Scheer-Schism (4)
4. (30)Lisa Gerrard-The Mirror Pool (4)
5. (23)Liquorice-Listening Cap (5)
6. (20)Wolfgang Press-Funky Little Demons (3)
(20)No Balls Sampler (2)
(20)1996 Calendar (2)
9. (17)Kendra Smith-5 Ways of Disappearing (3)
10. (15) Mojave 3-Ask Me Tomorrow (2)
MOST BORING POST ON 4AD-L
Okay, this one was interesting. I tried to categorize them, but few of them
matched anything else exactly. I refuse to post names of specific people
whose posts were mentioned, but I have lumped them together into one category
with no names mentioned. I will not play courier to this kind of unkindness.
A couple of standouts and then most of the other categories:
1. (90)Postings directed at or defending specific people (13)
2. (42)Personal slagging for varying tastes in music (5)
3. (25)Subscribe/Unsubscribe posts (5)
"Me too posts"
"Miki Berenyi Pronunciation Guide"
"Like I could pick..."
"Mine coz I only talk about 4AD stuff"
"XXX sucks vs. XXX rules"
"Personal responses to the list"
"The 'I want to pop Miki' post"
"Anything about etiquette"
"Digest reposting thing"
"Anything about (name a band here)"
"Non 4AD posts"
"The Red House Painters one"
"Cocteau Twins titles/obsessives"
ARTIST OF THE YEAR WE WISH WERE ON 4AD
Please pardon anything not spelled correctly!
1. (34) ESP Summer (4)
2. (21) Cocteau Twins (4)
3. (20) Medicine (2)
4. (15) Dirty Three (2)
5. (14) Innocence Mission (3)
An April March/The Apples/Bel Canto/Bjork/The Blue Nile/Bowery
Electric/Chinchilla/DJ Shadow/Mark Eitzel/Elysium/ESP Beetles/Grant Lee
Buffalo/Lida Husik & Beaumant Hannant/Ivy (NYC one)/Laika/Leftfield/Legendary
Jim Ruiz Group/Low/Luna/Mellonta Tauta/Miranda Sex Garden/Mistle
Thrush/Movietone/My Bloody Valentine/October Project/Palace Bros/PJ
Harvey/Po!/Pram/Radiohead/Red House Painters/Shelleyan Orphan/Spoonfed
Sylvian/Tindersticks/Tricky/Versus/Weezer/Yo La Tengo/Hector Zazou
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 13:52:58 -0800
I found a Lillies 7" awhile ago but it had no Symon Ramonde; no
Miki Berenyi; no guys from Moose. The title has the word "water" in it
and the artwork is god awful!
I thought this was the "And David Seamen Won't be Happy About That"
thing that was put out awhile ago. The one I got sounds like Cast or
the La's (REALLY corny brit pop). Is the one I'm looking even still
avalible? Were the Lillies (the one with Miki)just a one time affair?
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:16:08 -0600
I just recieved an extra copy of scheer's new album "infliction".
the first $10 gets it...
I also have a copy of the promo seven inch (cat #scheer 1) with a live
demo version of demon and a demo of howling boy. first $8 gets it.
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 17:00:24 -0800
Hello, I've decided to break my four month lurker status and post about
the Idaho show I witnessed last night. There has been some discussion of
late about this band, so I felt it was appropriate to bring it up. Seeing
as how I'm a college kid in Moscow, Idahell, it's a pretty big deal when
a band comes here that isn't partial to Phish or a shitty punk rock joke.
they played at a local bar in front of about 50 people for roughly an
hour. Cost was a mere $3, and it was worth much more in my opinion. They
played tracks off all of their albums, most noteably "God's Green Earth",
"skysraper," "fuel," and "a sound awake." The boys had just driven into
town after a day of non-stop driving from Minnesota. I believe that
they're playing in Seattle and Portland within the next few days. Their
show was really great and I had a chance to chat with them afterwards
about their past and their gear setup, which is quite impressive. Jeff,
the singer, told me about his custom made four-string guitars which some
Canadian guy built for him. Apparantly he worked for fender back in the
50s, which seems pretty credible to me.
I picked up a 10" from them after the show on fingerpaint records,
including colored thumbprints of each member on a postcard inside. Some
of you might be familiar with Beck's release on the same label not too
long ago(very lo-fi). However, seeing as how my stereo is currently out
of service, i'll have wait to listen to it.
Anyways, if Idaho comes to a town near you I highly recommend
checking them out. They're a very nice bunch of guys and their music
really defies categorizing, sortof like RHP but harder with much more
Speaking of RHP, there was also some discussion a while back
about which albums to buy from them. Personally, Down Colorful Hill is my
fave, and "Medicine Bottle" is one of my favorite songs of all time.
Mark's singing really blows me away on a consistent basis and he writes
some of the most complex song structures I've ever heard. Oh yes, someone
also made the comment that the second version of "New Jersey" was
inferior to the origional, let me just say that I disagree with that
one. And what can I say, I really like their rendition of "I am a rock."
Looking forward to hearing their new album, whenever that might be.
"I'm in the middle of a big bike race."