Subject: Re: Lush review by Joanna
Subject: Re: Lush review by Joanna + a good new band
Subject: Re: Lush review by Joanna
Subject: Highly DISappointed.
Subject: Wanna trade bootleg tapes?
Subject: Re: 7% solution + joanna superfreak
Subject: Re: Lush review by Joanna
Subject: Re: Lush review by Joanna
Subject: Projekt's little black book...
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Subject: Re: Lush review by Joanna
Subject: Re: Lush review by Joanna
Subject: Upcoming thislisty releases via Ear/Rational
Subject: Re: lyrics -Reply
Subject: Re: Lush review by Joanna
Subject: Re: Lovelife bargin bin
Subject: the amps in L.A.
Subject: lush tickets
Subject: birthday question (non4ad)
Subject: Re: the amps in L.A.
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:53:04 -0800
>One last point I would like to make. You lumb all the songs in
>together, while some of the songs have been written for a long time.
>Some of them were written well before Split.
Childcatcher, Tinkerbell is there any more? I'm curious.
>If they appeared on Split would you have liked them? I bet you would
>have.
Yes! I would have! Because most people didn't like the production
on this one. The production just sucks! The songs are ok, BUT, I think
the songs could've been better had someone with some talent been
producing. If they wanted hard, why not Steve Albini? (I wonder what
that would've sounded like). Lush is talented but I think the bad
record was due to the producer.
There are some simply awesome songs that were put out though: Sweetie,
Lastnight, Ex, but....I don't know, but it seems like slagging Lush has
become kinda an American thing. Just my opinion, but all the reviews by
the Brits are good while the American ones are bad. Anyone else notice
that?
Anyone agree/disagree? Please don't make out to be that "Rap people"
guy!
Brian
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:22:39 -0600
one upon a tom in a far off distant land, Rich Holtzman told the sea:
> while it is ok to have your personal opinions about the music on Lush's
> Lovelife, it is completely wrong to espouse your opinions on why they made
> the record and what they were attempting.
> Unless that is, of course, that you are friends with the band (which I highly
> doubt by your review). Some would argue that if you do not have anything good
> to say about a band then do not say anything. They are artists, and it is
> not our job to critcize. It is our job to make our OWN decisions. Period.
>
> One last point I would like to make. You lumb all the songs in together,
> while some of the songs have been written for a long time. Some of them were
> written well before Split. If they appeared on Split would you have liked
> them? I bet you would have.
uhhhhhhhhh...let's get something clear here, dearie. i didn't even write
the review, i just forwarded it because i agreed with it and thought it was
relevant. i would repost the top of the review and the subject header,
which i believe was 'lush review (consumable)' or something like that, and
prove it to you, but i deleted it. :) next time please read your mail a
little more carefully before you lash out...you know, counting to ten works
pretty well.
and i still hold to my previous opinion of lush: the new one is crap. i'm
not going to cry sellout and there are a few good songs on it, but i guess
i expected more than i got. i hold the same opinion for the new ride.
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:10:33 CST
>while it is ok to have your personal opinions about the music on Lush's
>Lovelife, it is completely wrong to espouse your opinions on why they made
>the record and what they were attempting.
i don't know if it's wrong. with some artists it's very obvious what they
were attempting to do (i can't agree or disagree with joanna since i haven't
heard lovelife. . .)
>Unless that is, of course, that you are friends with the band (which I highly
>doubt by your review). Some would argue that if you do not have anything good
>to say about a band then do not say anything. They are artists, and it is
>not our job to critcize.
actually, it is my job. you see i write music reviews. . .
>It is our job to make our OWN decisions. Period.
yeah, but some of us who don't have a lot of money are interested in what
other people we trust think about stuff we want to buy. that way, when we
go to make a purchase, our money's well spent. i don't think joanna was
claiming intimate knowledge of the band or anything, but she certainly is
entitled to guess at their motives. . .
>
>One last point I would like to make. You lumb all the songs in together,
>while some of the songs have been written for a long time. Some of them were
>written well before Split. If they appeared on Split would you have liked
>them? I bet you would have.
now here you go, espousing YOUR opinion on why joanna didn't like the
record. isn't this the reason you criticized her?
in a slightly better mood,
BiZ
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 23:36:32 -0600
hmph
Cindytalk was a no show tonight in chicago....arrived there beforehand and
a sign on the door said
Cindytalk has cancelled tonight, still playing are
blah blah blah
Two very upset patrons left.
Who knows they might have been very late, but i wasnt gonna stick around.
Went to a bar, club 950, where THE worst music was being played....i
wanted to rush home, get my Milk and Kisses cd and tell them, "here youdamn
fools, enlighten yourselves!"
Oh well, lush is still coming, tix on sale sat...
take care
ernesto
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:49:31 PST
Hello Everyone:
I have a collection of about 300 bootleg tapes including such things as Hawkwind
Can, Cocteau Twins, Sonic Youth, Tangerine Dream, Dinosaur Jr. and lots of other
and I'm wondering if anyone out there would like to trade with me. I'm particul
rly
looking for Pale Saints (with Ian Masters only), Stereolab, Cocteau Twins, Thin
hite
Rope. Your list gets mine. Unfortunately, I can't electronically transfer my d
tabase,
so I'll require a physical address to send to if you're interested.
Thanks,
John Majka
[email protected]
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 01:31:09 -0500
>now, 7% solution, an austin band, and it's a great moving diversion from
>the web pages i have due tomorrow. it's equal parts swirling noisy-noise,
>lush (the adjective, not the band) vocals, and more straightforward melodic
>stuff. nice silver-on-black packaging, and they have the nicest gimmick
>i've ever seen - you actually get two (of the same) ceedees for your $10.
>one is in a separate cardboard slipcase and the main packaging says 'please
>give this copy to a friend.'=20
hey joanna. please give your free xtra copy to your nice friend john . . .=
=20
i agree w/ her on the packaging... "7% solution"'s art is nice. doesn't even=
LOOK like an austin band, which these days is a great thing. the packaging=
reminds me of laika's "silver apples..".. with the thin-silver-paint-pen=
printing on black cardboard. fancy.=20
[snipsnipsnip]
>---> and let's all send a nice little message to john roseborough
>([email protected]) to buy 'a storm in heaven,' k? ;)
it's a decent enough album for a first listen. but, i had to i play it=
safe.. i haven't heard much by verve. so instead, i bought more stereolab=
and aphex. it seems that most of the records i've bought on a whim lately=
have burned me... don't know when i'll get rid of that secondhander (in the=
Ayn Rand sense) Die Krupps CD. when -will- i learn to stop buying remixes?
$5.99 tonight... but i just couldn't find any songs that i could tolerate=
on multiple listens. such a shame.. i really liked the mood and songwriting=
with 'Star'.
john the happylurker, who just realized that this is the first time he's=
unlurked since that 1993 email he sent about Clan of Xymox . . .
>---
>[email protected] http://piglet.cc.utexas.edu/~joanna
>'man who smoke pot choke on handle' - pseudoconfucious
________________________________________________________
john roseborough =20
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 02:18:42 -0600
Brian cleared his throat:
>> If they appeared on Split would you have liked them? I bet you would
>> have.
Nope, that's the one where they lost me...more pedals, please.
> Just my opinion, but all the reviews by the Britsare good while the
> American ones are bad. Anyone else notice that?
Rather rash generalization given the noise on this list, as among the
handful of reviews I recall Andrews being rather negative.
However, this one seems to be the first to be generally embraced by the
U.K. music rags and is something like 8 on the pop charts there. Since
the words are evidently more discernable, the critics have sumthin' to
cogitate over this time. Bah. Perhaps it's all a rear guard action by
nationalists who don't find Britpop increasingly irrelevant.
As for myself I've only sampled a bit of it...but from their recent cover
art I fear Vaughan Oliver has finally lost it. Either that, or making an
ironic stab at the pedestrian nature of the music.
D. Stephen Roy //\\ Die in your thoughts every morning and
[email protected] \\// you will no longer fear death - Hakakure
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 01:44:27 -0600
> while it is ok to have your personal opinions about the music on Lush's
> Lovelife, it is completely wrong to espouse your opinions on why they made
> the record and what they were attempting.
> Unless that is, of course, that you are friends with the band (which I highly
> doubt by your review). Some would argue that if you do not have anything good
> to say about a band then do not say anything. They are artists, and it is
> not our job to critcize. It is our job to make our OWN decisions. Period.
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 06:41:42 -0500
Can anyone fill me in on what this is? I saw a Black tape for a blue girl Cd
in a cardboard sleeve shrink-wrapped with a black book about the size of an
address book in a local CD shop yesterday.
I asked the store clerk about it and he rolled his eyes and said "It's
probably some of Sam's poems or artsy-fartsy drawings."
Anybody else seen this or know what this is? It looked brand new.
marvyn
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:00:26 -0600
<"[email protected]"@Mar.unl.edu>
>
> Can anyone fill me in on what this is? I saw a Black tape for a blue girl Cd
> in a cardboard sleeve shrink-wrapped with a black book about the size of an
> address book in a local CD shop yesterday.
>
> I asked the store clerk about it and he rolled his eyes and said "It's
> probably some of Sam's poems or artsy-fartsy drawings."
>
> Anybody else seen this or know what this is? It looked brand new.
>
>
> marvyn
>
it's sam's book "the first pain to linger." it's being released with
a black tape for a blue girl cd. i believe the cd has couple of new
songs, as well as remixes of some stuff from "ashes in the brittle
air" and earlier stuff. you can find out more info at the projekt web
site, Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:50:22 -0800
Rich,
While it is ok to have your personal opinions about the review Joanna
forwarded, it is completely wrong to espouse your opinions on why the
review was written and what it was attempting.
Unless that is, of course, that you are friends with the unnamed author
of the review (which I highly doubt by your review of it). Some would
argue that if you do not have anything good to say about a reviewer then
do not say anything. They are writers, and it is not our job to
criticize. It is our job to make our OWN decisions about whether we agree
with a review. Period.
[Have we reductoed this ad absurdum yet?]
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Jens Alfke [email protected]
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:44:27 -0500
Um I'm a yank and I think Lovelife is ok. I'd rate it somewhere on a
plane with "spooky" which means it doesnt compare with the brilliance of
Split or Gala, but its better than most of the crap thats out there.
I actually have usually percieved most of the lush slagging to be a Brit
thing... basically ever since Spooky they have fallen out of that
'favourite son' category that is the driving force of the british music
industry, and basically anything they do seems to be met with a degree of
antagonism from the british 'scene' (read british press, critics, etc)
As for that 'Lush are artists it is not our place to judge' business, I
have to disagree. Art is a two way street. It is a contract between the
artist and the listener/viewer/reader/receiver. It would not be possible
without either the talent of the artist nor the discernment of the
receiver. I think it is neccessary for the 'consumers' of an art form to
be aware of the elements of their artists' production. And for a band
that is considered by some to be 'avant garde' or at least opposed to the
mainstream of music, the direction they are taking their album is a big
part of their artistic venture. I think as educated listeners (read
there that we know the bands previous work and understand the genre in
which they are working) we can make informed conclusions about what a
band is trying to do with an album or song. If we dont then the artists
aren't communicating with us and the music might as well be something we
hear in a lift.
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:00:50 -0800
A fab bunch of upcoming releases relayed to you from Ear/Rational's
pre-orders list. For info on pre-ordering, visit
just forwarding this stuff for yr edification.)
>-- In stock weeks of Apr 8/15, 1996 (Pre-orders due Sunday, Mar 31, 9PM) --
> (Release dates always subject to change!)
>Amp-Sirenes LP/CD Ltd LP/CD OIL4/CD $9.75/$13.25
>New domestic full-length from Bristol's Amp (on the soon to be
>ultra-cool Petrol Label outta San Francisco) led by the mysterious
>Richard Walker, who used to create music with FSA's David Pearce in
>an outift called The Secret Garden, and counting among their membership
>various Matts from Movietone, Third Eye Foundation, Flying Saucer Attack,
>and Crescent. Amp's lo-fi "Trans European Esoterrorism" brings together
>the blissed-out pop of My Bloody Valentine and Jesus & Mary Chain, the
>molten psych of Can and Amon Duul, the Soft Machine and King Crimson's
>prog rock stylings, and the free jazz of Coltrane and Miles Davis.
>Guitar- sheen embraces a luminescent drone over shattered breakbeats
>and skeletal analog electronics. If you've had their singles from us
>you know the score. Amazing experimental-noise-pop-throb. (Petrol)
>Chapterhouse-Ltd 7" Singles Box Set CHAPTERBOX1 $26.00???
>Early 90's, glittering shoegaze guitar-pop-swirl from the Chapterhouse
>crew in a special 5 x 7" Singles Box features their "Sunburst",
>"Pearl", "Mesmerise", She's a Vision" and "We Are the Beautiful"
>singles, the last being a double-7" on colored vinyl. A very nice
>package at a price to be confirmed. Limeys will press as soon as they
>have enough orders I guess. (Unknown Label)
>Cocteau Twins-Milk & Kisses LTD CD BOX 5323632 $27.50???
>Limited Edition Collectors' CD Box Set on initial orders only. Reviews
>are glowing, applauding the Twins for a return to the "sublime sounds".
>Liz's vocals are "so gorgeous that those with sensitive constitutions
>may find themselves in danger of passing out" (Wire 146). I've had a
>five dollar range of prices from various suppliers, so price is to be
>confirmed. I most likely won't have many, or possibly any extras, so
>preorder whatcha want. (Fontana)
>Disjecta-Clean Pit and Lid DLP/CD WARPLP41/CD41 $15.50/$17.75
>New full-length from solo Seefeel orb-warmer (and Cocteau Twin remixer)
>Mark Clifford. His moonlighting "Looking for Snags" single burrowed
>deeper into cold minimalist -yet strangely hallucinogenic- techno in
>contrast to Seefeel's chiming whale-hooting guitar sling. Inverted and
>introverted percussive Electro with synths and chipper rhythms. DLP and
>CD at a great price! (Warp Records)
>Silver Apples-Self Titied/Contact CD $21.75
>TRC039 BETTER PRICE! New supplier has better price that I can pass on
>to you! Classic & supernaturally influential space-rock oscillator/
>percussion thrombosis that I be able to stock & restock as long as the
>puppy's in print! (Unknown Label)
>Sonic Youth-Little Trouble Girl 12"/CDS GFST22132/GFSTD22132 $8.25/$9.25
>First single actually to be released from Washing Machine features the
>Amps Kim Deal on backing vocals and will be available on 12" and CDS
>with the LP Version of the title, the previously unreleased "My Arena"
>and a different and difficult version of "Diamond Sea". (Geffen)
__________ __________________
Jens Alfke [email protected]
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 14:46:47 -0600
>
>This hits home. Sometimes I come up with what I think are the lyrics and
>I'm singing along, happy as a lark. Then some erudite comes up with
>printed lyrics, and, of course, I must look, only to find out I was
>completely wrong!!! Sometimes (in fact, most of the time) I like the lyrics I
>had come up with better than those that turned out to be correct, partly
>because they are from my interpretations, experiences, etc. This is
>usually followed by a period of disappointment where I can't enjoy the
>song as much because now I am trying to project someone else's
>interpretation into the song instead of my own. Then, again, looking at
>the lyrics when I have no clue sometimes provides new insight and
>enjoyment. Help. The question is: to look or not to look????
>
>
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 19:46:55 -0500
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 21:11:52 -0500
In a message dated 96-03-29 03:38:51 EST, soapbox writes:
>PS. So, have copies of 'Lovelife' made their way to the clearance bins
yet?
>Heck, I'd
>pay $5 to hear "Ciao," but I'd much rather save my money for the new Richard
>Davies disc or
>that last Moose album..
in fact yes they have, I got mine for exactly that...$5. The more I listen,
the more I like. The songs tend to sound better when listened to in the
context of the album as a whole. If listened to individually, most dont hold
up. Anyway, the Atlanta lush, scheer and mojave 3 show is on April 23
(tuesday) at the Masqerade (god i hate that place), so all of you southerners
who want to see this show will have to make the trek to atlanta. For some
reason they (lush) never seem to want to go to florida (cant say i blame
them, i lived there for 9 years and I'd rather walk on hot coals with
gasoline socks than go to florida).
seeyous (my friend tom from NJ says this and it makes me laugh)
jennifer
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 21:51:21 -0500
anyone going to this show at the troubadour on april 24? it's only $10! what
a bargain! are they playing in seattle, anyone know?
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:04:23 -0500
more misspellings! the tickets i got today for the new york show say
that lush is playing with "mojave 5 and sheer."
talk about worst day to stand outside waiting for the box office to open...
it was snowing huge flakes with gusty winds, oh it was so horrid, and i
showed up at the wrong time and everything, coz the Voice said tickets
went on sale at 10am sharp, but the box office actually only opened at 12.
the things i do...only for lush.........
xx
lor