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Subject: Re: MEDICINE
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 23:30:18 -0500
From: Kelly Kristin Leigh (kkelly@UCET.UFL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cascade/TopTwins/Double-O Valentine
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 20:21:29 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: stereolab
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 00:38:04 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Medicine/Kieslowski
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 06:45:39 -0500
From: Inbred Djed (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Rockinghorse People/Event Horizon
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 12:54:22 -0500
From: ishmael (elephant@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG)
Subject: the comet is here!
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 04:40:40 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Blue Day for sale
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 08:31:12 -0800
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: 4AD Snobbery: That's me
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 08:41:13 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Shaving the Pavement (HELP - San Francisco!)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 09:57:13 -0500
From: Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group
Subject: 180 degrees off topic (STP)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 04:35:10 -0800
From: Paul (pauld@BEST.COM)
Subject: STP=Lush not Pearl Jam?
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 09:48:29 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: things for sale/trade
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 15:32:44 -0600
From: Taylor Baumgartner (lee@CHE.CHE.TULANE.EDU)
Subject: Re: stereolab
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 15:07:41 -0500
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: An artist's death.
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 11:52:30 -0800
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: some stuff(longish but not "sale")
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 22:47:36 +0000
From: "Hugh O'Brien" (hugh@INDIGO.IE)
Subject: Re: 4AD Snobbery: That's me
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 18:26:33 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: some stuff(longish but not "sale")
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 20:07:26 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Love and Rockets
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 16:31:23 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Lush lyrics....
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 16:55:42 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Krautrock
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 16:41:00 PST
From: "Heileson, Thomas" (heilts1@MPE11.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Re: 180 degrees off topic (STP)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 15:47:01 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Lush lyrics....
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 20:08:12 -0600
From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 23:30:18 -0500
From: Kelly Kristin Leigh (kkelly@UCET.UFL.EDU)
Subject: Re: MEDICINE

              

Get "Shot Forth Self Living".  I, being a Medicine fan, prefer it over "The
Buried Life", though both, no doubt, rock.

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 20:21:29 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cascade/TopTwins/Double-O Valentine


>Could someone post a mini-review of this pls.? I came _this_ close to buying
>it yesterday. (For reference, my fave FSOL = ISDN...)

It is out. Those on the ambient list have recently purchased copies....back
east, if I am correct.

==================================================
Communicating from the corner of 5th and Vermouth

Fred/Derf Collins
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                                  Pagan Man

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 00:38:04 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: stereolab


us release date for emporer tomato ketchup is April 15
of course i saw a copy of it today on import for $28
        Im trying to convince myself that i can wait


Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 06:45:39 -0500
From: Inbred Djed (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Medicine/Kieslowski


>So where the heck does the original "Time Baby"
>appear?)

I think it's on the "5ive" EP. Either that, or on "Aruca".

>one thing worth saying: i spoke to his friend who is a doctor and he said
>that Kieslowski was an enormous smoker and a victim of this habit.

I remember that after the Three Colours trilogy was completed, he said he
was going to stop making films and just concentrate on smoking full-time...

Larry


Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 12:54:22 -0500
From: ishmael (elephant@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG)
Subject: Rockinghorse People/Event Horizon


Anybody have any info on the Rockinghorse People?

They appear on a compilation called _The Event Horizon_
on the City of Tribes label (or something like that).

any help appreciated.

-e

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 04:40:40 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: the comet is here!


(no music content, but lots of astronomy)

By all means, each and everyone of you absolutely has to go outside
tonight and see Comet Hyakutake. If not tonight, then keep trying--
it'll be good for many more days to come. After driving over an hour out of
Los Angeles just to get away from the damp fog, and ending up in Lancaster
we finally saw it and let me tell you, it knocked our socks off!
It's big, bright, extremely obvious, has a long tail, and it's by far the
best comet visible in the last 20 years (and this does count Halley which was
rather weak). It looks just like pictures you've probably seen in textbooks.
In cities and other well-lit areas, the view will be kinda cruddy, but it
should still be visible as a faint fuzzball. Try to get to as dark a place
as possible in the late evening, 10pm or later (the later the better)
and look south-east near the brightest star in that part of the sky
(Arcturus, if you need to know). The comet should be immediately
noticeable as something out of the ordinary. It's still getting brighter
too! Closest approach to Earth is early next week, at which point it will
have zoomed even farther north, past the Big Dipper, and will be up all night.
You will even be able to see it move slowly over a few minutes' time.

Don't miss this wonderful opportunity! It's worth it, believe me.
And send me some e-mail to let me know how it was.

For LA people reading this, I will be going out to Lancaster again
tonight (Friday, and probably each night for the next week)
and you're welcome to come help make this a memorable
event. Call or e-mail me for details.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 08:31:12 -0800
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Blue Day for sale


I'm sellin a Blue Day.  That's the collection of Slowdive's early e.p.
songs.  This is the original one, the one with the swell cracked glass
cover (not really cracked glass silly, just looks like it), not the
reissue that came with Souvlaki.  So here's the info
crecd 101
1. slowdive
2. avalyn 1
3. morningrise
4. she calls
5. losing today
6. shine
7. albatross
total time is 35:40
tell me if you want it.  I'll listen until next friday.  that's the 29th.
oh, and send bids to fearless@u.washington.edu, not to either list.
thanks

aaron

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 08:41:13 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: 4AD Snobbery: That's me


On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, Dez erupted at what I wrote:

> > That's why we're dissatisfied with the new lush album.  Not because it
> > somehow challenges our monolithic standards for how a 4AD record should
> > 'sound', but rather, our very articulate  standards for how a
> > 4AD record should be 'made'.

Here Comes Dez, now:

  > Standards how a 4AD record should be made? What on earth is that supposed to
  > mean? This is pure snobbery. What annoys me about this whole stream of
  > criticism about the Lush album is that you miss the point of it by a
  > street. It is a pop album...

Observe logic in preceeding paragraph:

 I dont understand you = you must be a snob

What I am contending is simply this: There is a craft involved in making
records. By rights of a record being a 'made' thing, we can observe its
craftsmanship critically; judge it in relation to other made things,
and sometimes people come together or are brought together by a mutual
appreciation for the thing and the craft involved in bringing it into being.

  >...my problem is people like you arrogantly dismissing it {lush album}
  >because it doesn't sound like you think it
  >should.

I am not criticizing how 'lovelife' sounds, and am  not at disappointed
because it failed to embody my every expectation for a lush record.  But
i am disappointed by its not meeting one crucial expectation. That of how
it is made. The sound of a record is mostly a reflection of how it's
made, but not entirely. and i do contend that this record is not up to
the standard of worksman(person)ship i've come to expect from 4AD.

That's all. An opinion.

Dez finishes with a flourish:

  >Golden era - like fuck. If 4AD do have a problem
  >(apart from being
  >saddled with myopic fans like you), it's that Ivo's relocation
  >to plastic-city California has led the label to lose touch with the most
  >exciting music scene in Europe since punk, if not ever.

S/he loses me completely here (the snob).  Ends a defense of 'LUSH the
new/improved face of late 1990's 4AD' by leveling an attack on Ivo's
supposed estrangement from an allimportant britpop movement??  Plastic-city
California? most exciting music scene ever?  sheesh!  I dont think
anybody feels the way i do, about you now...


dan


Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 09:57:13 -0500
From: Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group
Subject: Shaving the Pavement (HELP - San Francisco!)


Can someone give me the number of Ticketmaster in San Francisco (or some other
city) where I could purhase a ticket for the San Francisco date of the 'Shaving
the Pavement' tour?  I'm in Chicago now, but will most likely be there on April
15.

Thanks!!
Tom
thomulka.worldgroup@notes.compuserve.com


Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 04:35:10 -0800
From: Paul (pauld@BEST.COM)
Subject: 180 degrees off topic (STP)


At 12:47 PM 3/21/96 -0500, you wrote:
>the 4ad info line has been updated with all the tour dates (no venues
>though).  An interesting thing, L.A. gets 2 dates; one near the beginning
>(april 17th) and one at the end of the tour (may 17th).  hmmm, I wonder what
>that's all about.  anyway, I was too slow to transcribe it all (or was it
>just lazy?)  I'll try to post 'em to the list if I get a chance  but just in
>case you *need* to know, the number is 310.535.1714
>
>
>can't wait for the live mojave3 experience
>
>later,
>rod
>
>btw, has anyone else noticed how much the chorus of that new stone temple
>pilots song sounds just like lush?  What is this world coming to......it must
>be one of the 7th sign...
>

They stop ripping off Def Leppard just long enough to blatantly rip off Lush.

Stone Temple Pilots: why couldn't the Lord have rested on that day too?
  Don't answer that!


To keep it Legitimate, here's some Shaving The Pavement tour info:
                                      Primary Act: LUSH
                                      City: San Francisco
                                      Event Date: 15-APR-96
                                      Price: $15.00
and LA: The Whisky
                                      Primary Act: LUSH
                                      City: Hollywood
                                      Event Date: 17-APR-96
                                      Price: $15.00

Primary act? Hmmmph! In the listing for one of the New York shows they were
together enough to include the opening acts, one of which is a new band
called Mojave 5.

There's an incomplete list of dates with venues here:


Grumpily yours,

-Paul

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 09:48:29 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: STP=Lush not Pearl Jam?


> btw, has anyone else noticed how much the chorus of that new stone temple
> pilots song sounds just like lush?  What is this world coming to......it must
> be one of the 7th sign...
>
YES! Omigod I couldn't believe it when I heard it.  I was listening
in the car and trying to figure out if this was a new lush song.
"Something very weird about it..." I was thinking.  Then the DJ
announced it as STP.  I freaked out.  Oh well, at least they're
trying to copy a better band now.

moran@hal-pc.org


Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 15:32:44 -0600
From: Taylor Baumgartner (lee@CHE.CHE.TULANE.EDU)
Subject: things for sale/trade


I have the following available for sale/trade:

The Wolfgang Press - Funky Little Demons Ltd. Ed. with bonus remix cd
Lisa Germano - Happiness (the original Capitol version) cd
Mike Watt - E-ticket Ride 7" (b/w The Big Bang Theory / Dominance&Submission)

On that last item...TBBT has Frank Black on vocals and J Mascis on guitar.
This 7" is promo-only and I think pretty rare.  But I have a question...does
anyone know if these b-sides appear on cd anywhere?

Anyways...if anyone is interested in these items, e-mail me personally.

Thanks,   Taylor         lee@che.che.tulane.edu

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 15:07:41 -0500
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: stereolab


i'm going to wait, just coz my friend bought it already.  it's very
experimental, yes!  it includes "percolator," which they played on their
tour last summer here in the u.s.  lots of funk, stereolab style, in a
nice pleasant way.

they're all really pretty and good and excellent; stereolab never disappoint!
they have this one really slow song too, which is supposedly about
laetitia's mum who passed away...very beautiful.

lorelei
xx


 On Fri, 22 Mar 1996, Joseph Burns wrote:

> us release date for emporer tomato ketchup is April 15
> of course i saw a copy of it today on import for $28
>         Im trying to convince myself that i can wait
>

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 11:52:30 -0800
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: An artist's death.


        Since list members are mourning the death of Kieslowski
last week, I thought I would bring up a this-listy author that also
passed away a few weeks ago.

        Marguarite Duras, author of "The Lover" and many other beautiful
books and screenwriter of "Hiroshima, Mon Amour", passed away in Paris.
She was 90-something.  (I hope I have spelled her name correctly.)
        I can't say that I am very familiar with all her stuff, but what
I have read and seen is quite beautiful.

        David.


Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 22:47:36 +0000
From: "Hugh O'Brien" (hugh@INDIGO.IE)
Subject: some stuff(longish but not "sale")


        been away for a while(my internet provider went into liquidation),
        so i'm just responding to some of the more recent discussions with
        my 2 cents. bear with me!
        "The Wire" - with the latest edition of "The Wire" magazine is a free
        cd feat. artists from some label. included are tracks from Bill Laswell
        and Bill Nelsom.
        S. Nordenstam - Marvyn Hortman reviewed the latest Vanggelis lp a while
        back and mentioned the Stina Nordenstam track. this has now been
        released as a single feat. two versions of "Ask the Mountains" and one
        other new track.
        Shame - Recently, through lack of funds in one case and inebriation in
        another, missed both Tarnation and Stereolab/Tortoise. But rumours are
        that the Cocteau Twins may play in Dublin in the coming months. Also
        "Tishbite" finally arrived in Dublin. Only managed one listening so far
        but "An Elan" sticks out.
        EBTG - Another recently acquired single is the latest from Everything
        But the Girl "Walking Wounded". Music by Spring Heel Jack and a mix by
        Omni Trio make it essential. EBTG go "drum&bass", saw it performed live
        on TV and completely blew me away.
        Swallow - Heard on the radio a track from the "Chemical Bros" LP and
        could have sworn it contained a Swallow sample. Anyone?
        Setanta - James Crimm was enquiring about the Setanta label and Simon
        was correct in saying it was Irish. It is based in a flat in London and
        features mostly Irish or London-based Irish acts. Have also released
stuff
        by A House and Edwyn Collins(ex Orange Juice). RTE(Irish TV) recently
        screened a documentary on the label and I do recommend anything by
The Harvest
        Ministers especially the singles "Can't Go It Alone" and "You Do My
World the
        World of Good".
        Skinnys - Brant seems to have been won over by the Rollerskate
Skinny lp's
        but I'm afraid I don't see the attraction myself although the latest
album
        has tracks that have aroused my interest. I think my dislike stems from
        seeing them play an appaling support to the Fall and I've heard that
at a gig
        the other week someone interupted it with a fire extinguisher!
Anyway to get
        to the point, the band are a friend of a friend and hopes to
interview them
        soon so if the interview materializes and people are interested I
would be
        happy to post it along or if anyone has any questions for the band?
        Kieslowski - "A Short Film About Killing" and "A Short Film About
Love" were
        released as a box set feat. the book based on the Ten Commandments.

        and now he finally shuts up and returns to re-discovering the
Grenadine lp's


        almost forgot, NME(2/March) features a piece on "Adventures in
Stereo", Jim
        Beattie's new band. debut ep "Attic Walk" out on Kinglake(through
Southern)
        which is described as "soarway blend of Beach Boy harmonies,
gorgeous sugar-
        coated Dusty Springfield-esqque vocals".







      Hugh O'Brien            hugh@indigo.ie
      "Music has to be sound, otherwise you are lost.Sound
      goes into the inner part of the human soul"-Iannis Xenakis


Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 18:26:33 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD Snobbery: That's me


This one could run and run, and bore 392 of you to death - so I shan't prolong
it.

I have to make one point though - by the most exciting music scene in Europe for
years, I wasn't referring to Britpop. Oasis make me physically ill. I was
talking about the explosion in underground club culture - drum 'n' bass,
triphop, new dub, electronica and post-rock (I know - hate labels too). Nor was
I claiming it to be a purely European phenomenon - your side of the pond has
provided us with DJ Shadow, Wu Tang, Labradford, Tortoise, Derrick May and a
host of others. But there is a buzz here like I've not known since the end of
the seventies. It seems to me a shame that 4AD haven't taken a more adventurous
line like labels such as Mute have, and I can only think that's got to be to do
with the relocation. When the last dance explosion happened in 87/88, 4AD were
there when it mattered, an Pump Up The Volume defined a year.

And my aversion to Los Angeles as plastic city, is as it's role as Corporate HQ
of the world's entertainment industry. A sick, cancerous industry, that has done
nothing positive for art in a long while. It wasn't a cheap jibe at 10 million
Los Angelinos - that would be racism.

As for the gist of what I said, I stand by it, and judging by positive responses
I've had, it struck a chord with others on this list.

Dez

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 20:07:26 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: some stuff(longish but not "sale")


yes chemical brothers sample Swallow - in two different songs on 'Exit
Planet Dust' which btw though not very thislisty is f*$king brilliant

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 16:31:23 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Love and Rockets


You wrote:
>
>Probably not very thislisty, i just listened to the latest Love and
Rockets
>release (Sweet F.A.). It is not as bad as I thought. Nothing too
exciting
>though. very similar to "Love and Rockets" really. I miss the good old
Tones
>on Tail and early stuff. Too bad Daniel and the dudes mellowed out.
Also got a
>picture from the press release, what's up with Daniel looking like
Bono, hair,
>shades everything??????
>
>_NBZ
>
had to review this disk, i gave it the trash can rating.  they lose for
idiotic use of swear words, lame really lame lyrics and oh-so boring
melodies.  time to move on guys.  yes i truly can say I thought this
was the worst piece of crap, thank goodness I did not have to buy the
damned thing.  euthlene

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 16:55:42 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Lush lyrics....


I've seen postings of Lush lyrics around here in the past.  I was
wondering if someone could post any lyrics they may have for anything
EXCEPT for Lovelife and Split (the lyrics are right there ;)  )...
including B-sides, etc.

You can email them to me personally:  beswick@scf.usc.edu

thanks!

Strick9

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 16:41:00 PST
From: "Heileson, Thomas" (heilts1@MPE11.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Krautrock


>
>I think what's worth remembering is that there are different kinds of prog.
>Most people tend to think of the worst excesses of Yes, Rush, ELP etc. but
>the prog influence in something like Tortoise or Stereolab is more
>reminiscent of krautrock (the German variety of prog, in a sense) in the
>NEU!/Faust vein which is quite far removed from something like an
>interminable Rick Wakeman solo...

Let's not forget CAN!!!

(CanShades galore in an S-lab piece such as that 30 minute one on Transient
Random...)

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 15:47:01 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: 180 degrees off topic (STP)


> > An interesting thing, L.A. gets 2 dates; one near the beginning
> >(april 17th) and one at the end of the tour (may 17th).  hmmm, I wonder what
> >that's all about.

Hmmmm... well, I guess L.A. is just spe-shul.  The first date (The
Whisky) is a teeny tiny venue that will undoubtedly sell out.  The second
(The Palace) is a much larger venue and will probably be the "main" L.A.
show.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that 4AD-US is located in L.A.
and this entire tour is being organized from L.A. and L.A. has a lot of
people and in case there's an earthquake on one date, they'll still have
the other and the fact that all those Hollywood moguls may not be able to
make the first date and on and on and on and on....

Strick9


Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 20:08:12 -0600
From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush lyrics....


Just go to Reality Lush's Homepage....dont know the url off hand...but they
are all there!!  They make sense even! :)
Later
Ernesto

At 04:55 PM 3/22/96 -0800, you wrote:
>I've seen postings of Lush lyrics around here in the past.  I was
>wondering if someone could post any lyrics they may have for anything
>EXCEPT for Lovelife and Split (the lyrics are right there ;)  )...
>including B-sides, etc.
>
>You can email them to me personally:  beswick@scf.usc.edu
>
>thanks!
>
>Strick9
>
>


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