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Subject: Re: look elsewhere
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 17:02:26 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: records for sale!
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 22:20:50 -0500
From: Andrew Carl Rieth (acrieth@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kieslowski
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 20:35:50 -0800
From: Joel Krueger (jwkrueger@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: Re: milk and kisses pushed back further still
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 00:47:28 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: shaving that pavement a little closer to home
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 23:55:16 -0600
From: Salome (lnvoigt@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kieslowski
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 23:32:44 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: shaving that pavement a little closer to home
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 22:32:48 -0800
From: Ed Wakabayashi (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Re: milk and kisses pushed back further still
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 23:07:54 -0800
From: Jack B Huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kieslowski
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 23:59:42 -0500
From: Rastko Kovacevic (rkovacev@ABACUS.BATES.EDU)
Subject: Lilliput,and dog bones
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 00:14:27 -0800
From: Marc Sauvi (ge691837@ER.UQAM.CA)
Subject: Re: milk and kisses pushed back further still
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 23:40:35 -0800
From: Joel Krueger (jwkrueger@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: Re: milk and kisses pushed back further still
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 00:03:10 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: records for sale!
Date: Thursday, March 21, 1996 6:02AM
From: 4ad recording artists list
Subject: Re: Kieslowski
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:48:59 -0800
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Kieslowski
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 11:53:29 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: CT web site URL
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 08:25:48 -0500
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: Re: a question
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:56:47 +0100
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: Cheap 4AD CDs (UK only, alas)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 18:04:19 +0000
From: "Roger Brewster (Wedge)" (bu6010@WLV.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Kieslowski
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 17:49:16 CET
From: "Gaveston, Gaveston, I'm hooked on you" (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.EDU.PL)
Subject: UI (was: Prog Uber Alles)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 11:15:26 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Prog Uber Alles (Re: a question)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 11:11:14 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: shaving that pavement cities..
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:45:07 -0500
From: Jon H Wichmann (jhwst9+@PITT.EDU)
Subject: Re: shaving that pavement a little closer to home
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:47:40 -0500
From: "Rodney......who should really be working now......."
Subject: Re: a question
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:48:19 -0500
From: John Mcintyre (MCINTYRE@PA.MSU.EDU)
Subject: pierre etoile (sans accent), emporer tomato ketchup,
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:05:16 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: MEDICINE
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:03:21 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: PV
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:25:41 -0500
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: violane and halfgifts
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:54:32 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: UI (was: Prog Uber Alles)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 14:33:08 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: 4AD/v23 goodies at descent prices
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 19:35:06 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Prog
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 20:10:07 +1900
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: MEDICINE
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 19:13:03 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: pierre etoile (sans accent)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 19:06:40 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Kieslowski
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 20:46:53 -0500
From: Inbred Djed (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Shaving The Pavement
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 20:55:07 -0500
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: pierre etoile (sans accent), emporer tomato ketchup,
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 17:45:59 -0800
From: Vada Pinson (brettg@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: all hail the half-inflated demon prog lord
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 20:47:01 -0500
From: Inbred Djed (larry@INTERLOG.COM)

Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 17:02:26 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: look elsewhere


Brant wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I think the most level headed thing to keep in mind is
what Ivo said in the AP interview: if 4AD isn't giving you
what you want anymore, then look elsewhere. I think it's
part of human nature to idolize or worship things like individuals
or bands, and even record labels, making them larger than life,
giving them artificial guidelines in one's own mind of
what they're like and how they should behave, and revelling in
the fact that YOU know every little detail about them
because it makes YOU feel important, especially if there
is some small but fiercely dedicated following to pump up each
other's feelings of elitism. There's nothing wrong with being
a fan to a certain extent. Haven't we all been guilty of
many of these things? I know I have. It's fun to think you're
part of something and to show your appreciation. And who here
hasn't at one time or another considered themselves a little more
"connected" to the music world and maybe even a little "better"
than the average joe since you know what 4AD is and can
list a dozen or more of their bands? I don't think there
is really anything wrong with a certain amount of this.
It's when "fandom goes bad" that the troubles start. Maybe it
takes over a significant part of your life, and you start,
in essence, "wearing your Star Trek uniform out in public"
to stroke your over-inflated sense of self-importance.
You start to whine about every little (or big) change that
doesn't match your unrealistic, stone-carved tablets stating
"Ivo shalt not dump a band until they've worn out
their welcome" or "Ivo shalt not covet thy neighbor's slide guitar".
What matters most is that the person in charge still believes
in what he's doing and is doing the best he can. Some bitching
and moaning is inevitable and tolerable, but what it comes down
to is if you don't like the new direction your idols have taken,
then let them fall in your mind and look for new ones. Move on,
because they're not going to hold on to something they've outgrown
just because YOU want them to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Pretty much what I was trying to say I think, although apparently I was abusive
(!?). Needless to say, I agree - and look forward to one or two of our number
taking the hint

- Dez

Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 22:20:50 -0500
From: Andrew Carl Rieth (acrieth@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: records for sale!


Hello everyone, I'm clearing out a lot of my records (especially 7"s) for
some needed extra money.  The records are on various labels including
4AD, Slumberland, Independent Project, K, Sunday, SubPop and Simple
Machines, plus there are records by various bands such as Guided By
Voices, and other random stuff as well.  It'll pretty much be on a first
come first serve basis, so act quick.  The exception to this will be
w/the Independent Project "Archive Series" stuff...If someone wants to take
it all for the set "discount" price then that will take precedence over
people who want to order separate items.  So, I'll wait until next Monday
to announce the situation w/that and who gets what.

Otherwise, w/everything else, if you're the first to request an item
then you'll be the one to get it (although "best offers" will be taken
into consideration...I don't really want this to work like an auction,
though).  Just send a note to me reserving the item.  Once you do that
I'll tell you if you're the first to reserve it, and if so I'll give you
the details on ordering.  Also please be sure to reply to me and not the
list!

One final thing, shipping is $1 extra on any size order (in the U.S).  This
is to give incentive for you to buy more than one item, plus it makes it more
worthwhile for me if someone only wants 1 $4 7" or something.

Okay, here goes...  hope you find something you like!:

_____________________________________________________________________________

-Colourbox "Breakdown" 12" (BAD 304) $6
-Colourbox "The Moon Is Blue" 12" (BAD 507) $5
-Insides/Glee Club split 7" "Walking In Straight Lines/Bad Child's Dolly"
 (Promo).  Nice sleeve w/Chris Bigg's calligraphy. $10
-Frank Black "Headache" 10" (BADD 4007).  Ltd. Edition.  $7
-Nyam Nyam "The Architect" 12" (Situation Two #37).  Released on
 Situation Two in '84, this 12" is engineered by John Turner and has a 23
 Envelope sleeve. $5

INDEPENDENT PROJECT (IPR):

-Party Boys "No Aggro" LP (IP 14).  Blue and Black letterpressed sleeve. $5
-Red Temple Spirits "New Land" 7" (IP 26).  Elaborate, full-color letter-
 pressed sleeve, well out of print. $10
-For Against "Don't Do Me Any Favors" 7" (IP 40).  Beautiful letterpressed
 sleeve.  $5
-Dentists "Charms and the Girl/Hear No Evil" 7" (IP 41).  As w/all of
 stuff, this comes in a nice letterpressed sleeve. $5
-Terra X Magazine "Love and Hate" Compilation cd (Terra X 001).  w/Bands
 such as Half String, Henry's Dress, loveliescrushing, Alison's Halo,
 Lorelei and Lycia.  $8
-Half String "Oval" 7" (IP 47/Terra X 002). AZ shoegazers. $5
-Half String "Eclipse" 7" (IP 42). $5
-----------
 The following records on Independent Project are all "Archive Series"
 releases and they all come on ltd. color vinyl.  They all come in
 beautifully letterpressed, fold-open sleeves.  Also, all are #416 (all
 IP records have #'d sleeves, and 416 was my Archive Series subscriber #
 ...color vinyl was also only for subscribers).  If anyone wants to buy them
 all at once they can for $75 ($8 off).  I'll wait until the beginning of
 next week to see if anyone wants to do that.  Okay?  Here they are:

-For Against "In the Marshes" 10" (IP 29, Archive 1). clear green vinyl.
 6 songs. $10
-Abecedarians "The Other Side of the Fence" double-10" (IP 31/32, Archive 2).
 clear dark yellow and clear light yellow vinyl.  12 songs. $12
-Autumnfair "Glaciers and Gods" 10" (IP 33, Archive 3).  clear vinyl w/black
 marbling.  6 songs.  w/thom fuhrmann of savage republic.  dust sleeve is
 somewhat crinkled, but it came that way. $10
-Deception Bay "Fortune Days" 10" (IP 34, Archive 4). clear vinyl.  10 songs.
 letterpressed and wrapped in thin gray paper.  $10
-The Dentists "Naked" 10" (IP 36, Archive 5).  orange vinyl, 7 songs, $10.
-Indian Bingo "Big Rock" 7" (IP 37).  originally part of the archive
 series as a bonus.  orange vinyl. $5.
-Savage Republic "Live 81-83" double 10" (IP 38/39, Archive 6).  clear brown
 and clear yellow vinyl, 14 songs, $14.
-Fourway Cross "Pendulum" 10" (IP 43, Archive 7).  This was the last archive
 series release  and it comes w/an extra 7", both on clear red vinyl.  9
 songs total.  w/beth and others from Medicine (pre-dates Med.).  $12


SUB POP:

-Tsunami/Velocity Girl split 7".  "Left Behind/Warm/Crawl" (SP 137).  Singles
 Club release on pink vinyl.  $20
-Velocity Girl "Crazy Town" 7" (SP 179).  Yellow/white marble vinyl. $5
-House of Pain "Shamrocks and Shenanigans" 7" (SP 188). clear green vinyl. $5
-Codeine "Realize" 7" (SP 155).  super cool, clear vinyl, singles club, $10.
-Codeine "Tom" 7" (SP 247).  $4
-Pond "Wheel" 7" (SP 178).  white vinyl. $4



-Fat Tulips "Take Me Back to Heaven" 7".  Sunday 001!  $10
-Bulldozer Crash "Sarah Said" 7".  Sunday 002! $10
-Confetti "Sea Anemon" 7".  Sunday 012. $10



-Courtney Love "Uncrushworthy" 7" (K/IPU 12). $5
-Beat Happening "Seahunt" 7" (Bi Joopiter 25).  Silkscreened sleeve. $5
-Bratmobile/Heavens to Betsy split 7". (K/PUNK 001) $4
-Mecca Normal "Armchairs Fit Through Doorways" 7" (K/IPU 28). (all these
 MN records have jean smith sleeves). $4
-Mecca Normal "Rose" 7" (K/IPU 32). $4
-Mecca Normal "From the Surface" (Dionysus Records). $4
-Mecca Normal "Orange" 7"  (Harriet #10), $4
-Bright Like Ice "Full Moon" 7" (Smarten Up 002).  Mecca Normal plus 2
 friends.  Sleeve by Jean again, w/handpainted cover).  $4
-Blue Green Gods "Takin' the Back Stairs" 7" (Jettison 21).  Mecca Normal
 covers.  $3



-Earthmen "Cool Chick #59" 7".  (Slumberland 29). $5
-Parasites "Something to Hold Onto" 7" (Slumberland 30). $5
-Lorelei "Asleep" 7" (Slumberland 32). $5
-Honeybunch "Mine Your Own Business"  7" (Slumberland 14). $6
-Honeybunch "No More I Told You So's" 7" (Slumberland 5). $10
-Boyracer "AUL 36X" 7" (Slumberland 35). $5
-Small Factory "What to Want" 7" (Slumberland 13). $8
-Sleepyhead "Like a Girl Jesus" 7" (Slumberland 18). $5


SIMPLE MACHINES:

-Tsunami "Geniuses of Crack" 7" (Homestead).  light blue vinyl. $10
-Sugartime "Awestruck" 7" (SMR 9).  clear red vinyl. $4



-Bugbear "Sea Monkeys" 7" (Swingset 001). Mathew and Amelia from
 Heavenly. $10
-Flatmates "Shimmer" 12" (Subway). $10
-Our American Cousins "Pandora 99" 7" (Rockville).  They were featured along
 w/lots of other Slumberland bands on the legendary ONE LAST KISS comp.
 Pink vinyl. $4
-Guided By Voices "Get out of my Stations" 7" (Siltbreeze 28). 7 songs. $5
-Guided By Voices "Clown Prince of the Menthol Trailer" (Domino 11). 7
 songs, $5
-Guided By Voices "Fast Japanese Spin cycle" (Engine 7). 8 songs. $5
-Sebadoh "Gimme Indie Rock!" 7" (Homestead).  Clear vinyl, $10
-Beltbuckle 7" (Sonic Bubblegum).  w/Lou Barlow, Eric Matthews and Bob Fay.
 this is the original pressing w/white, silver, black cover (no red). $5
-Wimpfactor 14 "One for the Record Books" 7" (Four Letter Words #6).
 silkscreened cover. $5
-Springfields "Reach for the Stars" 7" (Summershine #5). $6
-SF Seals "Baseball Trilogy" (Matador).  w/Barbara Manning. $4
-Shellac  "The Rude Gesture" 7" (Touch and Go).  1st press. $4
-Free Kitten "Lick!" (In the Red). w/kim gordon, julie cafritz and
 yoshimi. $4
-Bailter Space "Splat" 7"  (matador). $4
-The Blue Humans w/Rudolph Grey "To Higher Time" 7" (New Alliance). $2
-Menthol "USA Capable" 7".  free to whoever wants it w/their order.


That's it!

-Andrew

Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 20:35:50 -0800
From: Joel Krueger (jwkrueger@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kieslowski


On Wed, 20 Mar 1996 Srilank@AOL.COM wrote:

> Krzystof Kieslowski, 54, passed recently in Warsaw following
> heart bypass surgery.  He was the filmmaker who created the three colors
> trilogy (Blue, White, & Red) among others.  I recall a lengthy thread mid
> last year regarding his work, and thought that this would be of note to those
> who had an interest in his films.
>
> jason
>
> srilank@aol.com
>

 What other films, besides the trilogy and _The Double Life of Veronique_
did he direct?  Those are his only films that I've seen, but I thought
they were all brilliant, and would certainly like to see more,...

joel


Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 00:47:28 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: milk and kisses pushed back further still


In a message dated 96-03-20 02:20:01 EST, you write:

>This from the 'official' twins website:
>
>

which by  the way, I tried to visit last night and all I got was a blank
page.  The old address worked fine though.  Anyone else have trouble with the
new "official" site URL??

^^blubelknol@aol.com^^

Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 23:55:16 -0600
From: Salome (lnvoigt@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: shaving that pavement a little closer to home


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Some news for us midwesterners -- the exquisite Lush/Mojave tour is to pass
through Chicago on (tentatively) May ninth.  I had dinner with the label rep
tonight, so this should prove to be fairly accurate.  It will also
definitely hit St. Louis, but I am ignorant of that date.  When he gives me
a few more solid dates, I promise to post them.

Lisa
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

            let the sad winter moon turn slow to my future
           and the cool dark air cover me in my nearing bed

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 23:32:44 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kieslowski


>> Krzystof Kieslowski, 54, passed recently in Warsaw following
>> heart bypass surgery.  He was the filmmaker who created the three colors
>> trilogy (Blue, White, & Red) among others.  I recall a lengthy thread mid
>> last year regarding his work, and thought that this would be of note to those
>> who had an interest in his films.

> What other films, besides the trilogy and _The Double Life of Veronique_
>did he direct?  Those are his only films that I've seen, but I thought
>they were all brilliant, and would certainly like to see more,...

he directed a series of shorter films based on the ten commandments (one for
each -- like the color trilogy.)  i think one was rereleased as, "a short
film about killing," and another as "a short film about death," but i'm not
sure.  i know he has a film called "a short film about killing," but i'm not
sure if it's one of those ten, or if it's a completely different film.  as
for the second one, i'm less certain.  i don't know if any of these have
been released on home video, but one of my best friends is a huge kieslowski
fan (i've only seen the trilogy, but those films are among my favorites.)

if you have the patience to look in the archives, i once posted part of an
interview with kieslowski, but maybe someone could repost it if they've
still got it (.mark.?)

well, that's all i know -- honest.

BiZ

>
>joel

Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 22:32:48 -0800
From: Ed Wakabayashi (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Re: shaving that pavement a little closer to home

              at Mar 20, 96 11:55:16 pm

Salome said:
>
> Some news for us midwesterners -- the exquisite Lush/Mojave tour is to pass
> through Chicago on (tentatively) May ninth.  I had dinner with the label rep
> tonight, so this should prove to be fairly accurate.  It will also
> definitely hit St. Louis, but I am ignorant of that date.  When he gives me
> a few more solid dates, I promise to post them.

I've been recently informed that Shaving the Pavement will hit San Francisco
on 15 April (Monday) and tickets are $15.  I think it's at the Fillmore.

Ed
--
Edward Wakabayashi                    /\   You've kissed everybody else's
zorg@alois.icon.palo-alto.med.va.gov  /\      -*Her Majesty the Baby*-
zorg@interramp.com                    \/


Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 23:07:54 -0800
From: Jack B Huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: milk and kisses pushed back further still


Okay,

It seems that the redirection code doesn't work every time or something.
So, here is the numerical url of the web site: http://205.147.5.69/



jack b huynh



On Thu, 21 Mar 1996 BluBelKnol@AOL.COM wrote:

> In a message dated 96-03-20 02:20:01 EST, you write:
>
> >This from the 'official' twins website:
> >
> >
>
> which by  the way, I tried to visit last night and all I got was a blank
> page.  The old address worked fine though.  Anyone else have trouble with the
> new "official" site URL??
>
> ^^blubelknol@aol.com^^
>


Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 23:59:42 -0500
From: Rastko Kovacevic (rkovacev@ABACUS.BATES.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kieslowski

              "Joel Krueger" at Mar 20, 96 08:35:50 pm

>  What other films, besides the trilogy and _The Double Life of Veronique_
> did he direct?  Those are his only films that I've seen, but I thought
> they were all brilliant, and would certainly like to see more,...
>
two of the ones i've seen at a film festival in belgrade, yugoslavia many
many years ago were the short film about killing and a short film about
love. both quite excellent. (i'm not sure about what the titles may be in
english, but these are literal ones from polish). i also know he did a
series of short tv films on the 10 commandments. this was shown in poland
only, if i recall correctly.

it is a very sad thing that this (imho) film making genious has passed
away. but i guess he wouldn't have made any more films even if he lived
(or so he claimed). not that his death isn't tragic as it is....

take care,
rastko

--
They left me here on my own in a nightmare And I just can't forgive
anymore So I smile and turn away Don't listen when they say They wish that
I could stay And now it's just too late To wish me back again
                                                --Lush, Light from a dead star

Rastko | rkovacev@bates.edu | http://www.bates.edu/~rkovacev | 207.777.7913

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 00:14:27 -0800
From: Marc Sauvi (ge691837@ER.UQAM.CA)
Subject: Lilliput,and dog bones


I'm looking for 4ad compilation "Lilliput" and "...and dog bones too".
Good condition,original artwork only

Marc

Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 23:40:35 -0800
From: Joel Krueger (jwkrueger@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: Re: milk and kisses pushed back further still


On Thu, 21 Mar 1996 BluBelKnol@AOL.COM wrote:

> In a message dated 96-03-20 02:20:01 EST, you write:
>
> >This from the 'official' twins website:
> >
> >
>
> which by  the way, I tried to visit last night and all I got was a blank
> page.  The old address worked fine though.  Anyone else have trouble with the
> new "official" site URL??
>
> ^^blubelknol@aol.com^^
>

 i got a blank screen as well.  don't know what the deal is,...

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 00:03:10 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: milk and kisses pushed back further still


In a message dated 96-03-20 01:58:53 EST, you write:

>On Tue, 19 Mar 1996 hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US wrote:
>
>> You know, I'm getting really pissed off with the release date continuing
to
>be
>> pushed back.  Some of us aren't as "in-the-know" as others to have
>"obtained"
>> a copy of this 4 months ago.  :(
>>
>>
>> What is this shit?  I don't want a bootleg of it; I don't want a tape of
>it; I
>> don't want to pay $40 for a copy "ahead of time".  I want to be able to go
>to
>> the goddamn store and buy it for $13.
>>
>> I'm tired of reading reviews of this CD.  I've been deleting them because
I
>> want to hear it for myself first before I read someone else's opinion of
>what
>> the cocteaus do/do not sound like.
>>
>> fuss fuss fuss bitch moan crab crab crab frika fraka brika braka where in
>the
>> hell is milk and kisses
>>
>> I wish Fontana or Capital (or whoever the hell is distributing it) would
>get
>> their collective head out of their ass and release it already!
>
>        Amen, bro. I'm with that all the way. People should actually
>contact Capitol and let them know what a load of shit this endless delay is.
>
>
>

alas, I tend to agree with you both.  sort of the same crap they pulled with
Wolfie's "Funky Little Demons"...delaying it constantly...all in all, I think
TWP's "FLD's" was delayed 2 or 3 months.

what ticks me off even more is that I read the whole album (talking about
"Milk & Kisses" now) was finished well in advance of Twinlights and
Otherness.  Hell, what you or I were to die in the next few days... then we'd
never get to hear it, just because some corporate bigot feels like releasing
Metal-lick-a's latest trash this week instead (not literally of course, but
you get the drift).  Perhaps we should start some sort of massive writing
campaign...

just blowin' smoke

~blu

blubelknol@aol.com


Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 08:51:00 +0000
From: Nick Hill (NHill@MSMAIL.CSL.GPT.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: records for sale!


I'm interested in the Insides/Glee Club 7" and the Abecedarians 10".

Please reply to nhill@msmail.csl.gpt.co.uk

Thanks

Nick
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From: 4ad recording artists list
Subject: records for sale!

Date: Thursday, March 21, 1996 6:02AM Hello everyone, I'm clearing out a lot of my records (especially 7"s) for some needed extra money. The records are on various labels including 4AD, Slumberland, Independent Project, K, Sunday, SubPop and Simple Machines, plus there are records by various bands such as Guided By Voices, and other random stuff as well. It'll pretty much be on a first come first serve basis, so act quick. The exception to this will be w/the Independent Project "Archive Series" stuff...If someone wants to take it all for the set "discount" price then that will take precedence over people who want to order separate items. So, I'll wait until next Monday to announce the situation w/that and who gets what. Otherwise, w/everything else, if you're the first to request an item then you'll be the one to get it (although "best offers" will be taken into consideration...I don't really want this to work like an auction, though). Just send a note to me reserving the item. Once you do that I'll tell you if you're the first to reserve it, and if so I'll give you the details on ordering. Also please be sure to reply to me and not the list! One final thing, shipping is $1 extra on any size order (in the U.S). This is to give incentive for you to buy more than one item, plus it makes it more worthwhile for me if someone only wants 1 $4 7" or something. Okay, here goes... hope you find something you like!: _____________________________________________________________________________ -Colourbox "Breakdown" 12" (BAD 304) $6 -Colourbox "The Moon Is Blue" 12" (BAD 507) $5 -Insides/Glee Club split 7" "Walking In Straight Lines/Bad Child's Dolly" (Promo). Nice sleeve w/Chris Bigg's calligraphy. $10 -Frank Black "Headache" 10" (BADD 4007). Ltd. Edition. $7 -Nyam Nyam "The Architect" 12" (Situation Two #37). Released on Situation Two in '84, this 12" is engineered by John Turner and has a 23 Envelope sleeve. $5 INDEPENDENT PROJECT (IPR): -Party Boys "No Aggro" LP (IP 14). Blue and Black letterpressed sleeve. $5 -Red Temple Spirits "New Land" 7" (IP 26). Elaborate, full-color letter- pressed sleeve, well out of print. $10 -For Against "Don't Do Me Any Favors" 7" (IP 40). Beautiful letterpressed sleeve. $5 -Dentists "Charms and the Girl/Hear No Evil" 7" (IP 41). As w/all of stuff, this comes in a nice letterpressed sleeve. $5 -Terra X Magazine "Love and Hate" Compilation cd (Terra X 001). w/Bands such as Half String, Henry's Dress, loveliescrushing, Alison's Halo, Lorelei and Lycia. $8 -Half String "Oval" 7" (IP 47/Terra X 002). AZ shoegazers. $5 -Half String "Eclipse" 7" (IP 42). $5 ----------- The following records on Independent Project are all "Archive Series" releases and they all come on ltd. color vinyl. They all come in beautifully letterpressed, fold-open sleeves. Also, all are #416 (all IP records have #'d sleeves, and 416 was my Archive Series subscriber # ...color vinyl was also only for subscribers). If anyone wants to buy them all at once they can for $75 ($8 off). I'll wait until the beginning of next week to see if anyone wants to do that. Okay? Here they are: -For Against "In the Marshes" 10" (IP 29, Archive 1). clear green vinyl. 6 songs. $10 -Abecedarians "The Other Side of the Fence" double-10" (IP 31/32, Archive 2). clear dark yellow and clear light yellow vinyl. 12 songs. $12 -Autumnfair "Glaciers and Gods" 10" (IP 33, Archive 3). clear vinyl w/black marbling. 6 songs. w/thom fuhrmann of savage republic. dust sleeve is somewhat crinkled, but it came that way. $10 -Deception Bay "Fortune Days" 10" (IP 34, Archive 4). clear vinyl. 10 songs. letterpressed and wrapped in thin gray paper. $10 -The Dentists "Naked" 10" (IP 36, Archive 5). orange vinyl, 7 songs, $10. -Indian Bingo "Big Rock" 7" (IP 37). originally part of the archive series as a bonus. orange vinyl. $5. -Savage Republic "Live 81-83" double 10" (IP 38/39, Archive 6). clear brown and clear yellow vinyl, 14 songs, $14. -Fourway Cross "Pendulum" 10" (IP 43, Archive 7). This was the last archive series release and it comes w/an extra 7", both on clear red vinyl. 9 songs total. w/beth and others from Medicine (pre-dates Med.). $12 SUB POP: -Tsunami/Velocity Girl split 7". "Left Behind/Warm/Crawl" (SP 137). Singles Club release on pink vinyl. $20 -Velocity Girl "Crazy Town" 7" (SP 179). Yellow/white marble vinyl. $5 -House of Pain "Shamrocks and Shenanigans" 7" (SP 188). clear green vinyl. $5 -Codeine "Realize" 7" (SP 155). super cool, clear vinyl, singles club, $10. -Codeine "Tom" 7" (SP 247). $4 -Pond "Wheel" 7" (SP 178). white vinyl. $4 -Fat Tulips "Take Me Back to Heaven" 7". Sunday 001! $10 -Bulldozer Crash "Sarah Said" 7". Sunday 002! $10 -Confetti "Sea Anemon" 7". Sunday 012. $10 -Courtney Love "Uncrushworthy" 7" (K/IPU 12). $5 -Beat Happening "Seahunt" 7" (Bi Joopiter 25). Silkscreened sleeve. $5 -Bratmobile/Heavens to Betsy split 7". (K/PUNK 001) $4 -Mecca Normal "Armchairs Fit Through Doorways" 7" (K/IPU 28). (all these MN records have jean smith sleeves). $4 -Mecca Normal "Rose" 7" (K/IPU 32). $4 -Mecca Normal "From the Surface" (Dionysus Records). $4 -Mecca Normal "Orange" 7" (Harriet #10), $4 -Bright Like Ice "Full Moon" 7" (Smarten Up 002). Mecca Normal plus 2 friends. Sleeve by Jean again, w/handpainted cover). $4 -Blue Green Gods "Takin' the Back Stairs" 7" (Jettison 21). Mecca Normal covers. $3 -Earthmen "Cool Chick #59" 7". (Slumberland 29). $5 -Parasites "Something to Hold Onto" 7" (Slumberland 30). $5 -Lorelei "Asleep" 7" (Slumberland 32). $5 -Honeybunch "Mine Your Own Business" 7" (Slumberland 14). $6 -Honeybunch "No More I Told You So's" 7" (Slumberland 5). $10 -Boyracer "AUL 36X" 7" (Slumberland 35). $5 -Small Factory "What to Want" 7" (Slumberland 13). $8 -Sleepyhead "Like a Girl Jesus" 7" (Slumberland 18). $5 SIMPLE MACHINES: -Tsunami "Geniuses of Crack" 7" (Homestead). light blue vinyl. $10 -Sugartime "Awestruck" 7" (SMR 9). clear red vinyl. $4 -Bugbear "Sea Monkeys" 7" (Swingset 001). Mathew and Amelia from Heavenly. $10 -Flatmates "Shimmer" 12" (Subway). $10 -Our American Cousins "Pandora 99" 7" (Rockville). They were featured along w/lots of other Slumberland bands on the legendary ONE LAST KISS comp. Pink vinyl. $4 -Guided By Voices "Get out of my Stations" 7" (Siltbreeze 28). 7 songs. $5 -Guided By Voices "Clown Prince of the Menthol Trailer" (Domino 11). 7 songs, $5 -Guided By Voices "Fast Japanese Spin cycle" (Engine 7). 8 songs. $5 -Sebadoh "Gimme Indie Rock!" 7" (Homestead). Clear vinyl, $10 -Beltbuckle 7" (Sonic Bubblegum). w/Lou Barlow, Eric Matthews and Bob Fay. this is the original pressing w/white, silver, black cover (no red). $5 -Wimpfactor 14 "One for the Record Books" 7" (Four Letter Words #6). silkscreened cover. $5 -Springfields "Reach for the Stars" 7" (Summershine #5). $6 -SF Seals "Baseball Trilogy" (Matador). w/Barbara Manning. $4 -Shellac "The Rude Gesture" 7" (Touch and Go). 1st press. $4 -Free Kitten "Lick!" (In the Red). w/kim gordon, julie cafritz and yoshimi. $4 -Bailter Space "Splat" 7" (matador). $4 -The Blue Humans w/Rudolph Grey "To Higher Time" 7" (New Alliance). $2 -Menthol "USA Capable" 7". free to whoever wants it w/their order. That's it! -Andrew

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:48:59 -0800
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Kieslowski


>> What other films, besides the trilogy and _The Double Life of
>> Veronique_ did he direct? Those are his only films that I've seen,
>> but I thought they were all brilliant, and would certainly like to
>> see more,...

> two of the ones i've seen at a film festival in belgrade, yugoslavia
> many many years ago were the short film about killing and a short
> film about love.

'a short film about love' and 'a short film about killing' were both
extended versions of parts of 'the decalogue' (which has also been shown
on bbc2 over here, but not recently). other stuff includes lots of polish
tv films, initially documentaries (there's a long list on the inside of
my copy of '...veronique' but i doubt we'll ever get to see any of them).
apparently he'd just started work on another trilogy before he died,
ironically based on 'heaven', 'hell' and 'purgatory'.

more details here:
--
a.dean@uk22p.bull.co.uk
crazy, brutal, a torpedo...


Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 11:53:29 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Kieslowski


On Wed, 20 Mar 1996 20:35:50 -0800, Joel wrote:

> What other films, besides the trilogy and _The Double Life of Veronique_
>did [Kieslowski] direct?

A couple of people have already mentioned "A Short Film About Love"
and "A Short Film About Killing", which were expansions of
installments from the Dekalog. The only other film of his that I've
seen (and it's available on video in the US -- and elsewhere as well,
I would suppose) is "Camera Buff", a film about a guy who buys a 8mm
camera and the consequences (political, emotional) which ensue. It's
not bad, but completely different from his later work: there's much
less emphasis on visual beauty.

Paul


Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 08:25:48 -0500
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: CT web site URL


On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, Jack B Huynh wrote:

> Okay,
>
> It seems that the redirection code doesn't work every time or something.
> So, here is the numerical url of the web site: http://205.147.5.69/
>

Yeah! This works! No more blank screen. My life is once again complete. :)


Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:56:47 +0100
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: MEDICINE


Not very thislisty but...

I just got an old copy of the Medicine album "The Buried Life" and love it. I
am new to this band and would appreciate any info on them. Which of their
other albums should I get first. I absolutely in love with Brad Laner's
"noisemaking" and Beth's vocals. "Never Click" is probably my favorite song
for now.

_NBZ

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 18:04:19 +0000
From: "Roger Brewster (Wedge)" (bu6010@WLV.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Cheap 4AD CDs (UK only, alas)

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Hiya!!

Just like to say thanks to all the people who expressed their views on
Throwing Muses albums......I'll soon be off to HMV to stock up:)

RoGeR

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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 17:49:16 CET
From: "Gaveston, Gaveston, I'm hooked on you" (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.EDU.PL)
Subject: Re: Kieslowski


hello,

i have seen some of Kieslowski's films which were shown on Polish TV, including
the 'Decalogue' TV series, of which 'a short film about killing' and 'a short
film about love' are certainly excerpts. there were other films made earlier,
but actually he became famous only after "Decalogue".

'the double life of Veronique' marked a change in his style. the earlier films
are much less 'pop' and aesthetic, they are 100% morality and fate, but you
may easily find there his tendency to write complicated, mystical screenplays
out of everyday events. but do not expect large symphonic interludes or
arty images, they are very naturalistic and set in Polish pre-1989 reality,
i.e. they are all grey and very depressive. which is something thislisty people
might like, though.

one thing worth saying: i spoke to his friend who is a doctor and he said
that Kieslowski was an enormous smoker and a victim of this habit.

adam olszewski,
adamradv@pelarn.edu.pl


Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 11:15:26 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: UI (was: Prog Uber Alles)


hk mentioned UI in his laundry list of current 'progressive' (lowercase
'p') bands. I recently read a short review of them in a Seattle music
paper and they sounded interesting -- as I recall, the review lumped them
in with 'post-rock'* along with Laika and Tortoise, and compared their
sound to Savage Republic and early Gang Of Four.
Could hk or somebody else elaborate a bit? I'd love to hear a review or
know something about the band...

* I think the name 'post-rock' is stupid, but like 'shoegazer' it seems
to be used to describe bands that I think are interesting, so overall it
seems a useful pigeonhole.

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
             Dinosaurs early, dinosaurs later,
             Dinosaurs jammed in an elevator!   ________________________
                                                http://www.mooseyard.com

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 11:11:14 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Prog Uber Alles (Re: a question)


hk sagely points out:
>I think there are elements of prog
>rock permeating the current indie scene through the work of folks like
>Rachel's, Stereolab, UI,
>Tortoise, Slint, Trans Am, and the more out-and-out rawk outfits like
>Helmet, Soundgarden, and Bitch
>Magnet that opted for song structures that are a little less linear than
>your standard 4/4 and 3/4.

Ja, [I saw "Fargo" last night and am still in awe of the wacky Minnesota
accents] I was thinking of going into that but decided to be brief. The
question in my mind is whether current expansive styles of music owe a
direct debt to the '70s prog scene or whether they're just looking at the
same source material as the proggies did and deriving different things
from it.

I think one of the most valuable changes has been that, due to the
infinite levels of irony and self-satire introduced into rock during the
punk and new-wave days, it's become very difficult for bands to take
themselves as seriously as they once did. Part of the problem with prog
was how stultifyingly self-important some of those bands were (I'll point
out Yes and Tangerine Dream as some of the worst offenders.) Many current
'progressive' bands either keep tongue firmly in cheek (i.e. Stereolab)
or strip their sound and presentation down to a level that's serious but
not overblown (i.e. Rachel's, Labradford.)

Another improvement is that the choice of particular influences has
changed for the better. One of the major influences on the old prog music
was symphonic classical music. I have a particular dislike for bombastic
19th century symphonies and bands like ELP that tried shamelessly to ape
that style were even worse. Current bands appear to be influenced more by
Minimalism (Tim Gane of Stereolab has said that he was strongly
influenced by the distorted-organ sound of Steve Reich's early works,
Rachel's owe a strong debt to Philip Glass, and just about every ambient
outfit with a sequencer is working in territory Terry Riley pioneered.)

Prog is dead! Long live post-rock!    ;-)

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
             Dinosaurs early, dinosaurs later,
             Dinosaurs jammed in an elevator!   ________________________
                                                http://www.mooseyard.com


Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:45:07 -0500
From: Jon H Wichmann (jhwst9+@PITT.EDU)
Subject: shaving that pavement cities..


I just called the 4ad line..
and they had all the us dates for the shaving
the pavement tour..
no venues...just dates..
they start in vancouver, go down the west coast..
then do some dates in texas, new orleans..
then they go up the east coast..
do some canadien dates..
two i think...then they hit the midwest..
and finish off in LA i think.
i' don't remember any of the specific dates though..
j0n

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:47:40 -0500
From: "Rodney......who should really be working now......."
Subject: Re: shaving that pavement a little closer to home


the 4ad info line has been updated with all the tour dates (no venues
though).  An interesting thing, L.A. gets 2 dates; one near the beginning
(april 17th) and one at the end of the tour (may 17th).  hmmm, I wonder what
that's all about.  anyway, I was too slow to transcribe it all (or was it
just lazy?)  I'll try to post 'em to the list if I get a chance  but just in
case you *need* to know, the number is 310.535.1714


can't wait for the live mojave3 experience

later,
rod

btw, has anyone else noticed how much the chorus of that new stone temple
pilots song sounds just like lush?  What is this world coming to......it must
be one of the 7th sign...

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:48:19 -0500
From: John Mcintyre (MCINTYRE@PA.MSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: a question


>Dunno what this has to do with this list, but 'prog' is short for
>'progressive', which in the '70s was what they called rock that tried to
>get more complex by bringing in elements of jazz and/or classical music
>-- mostly weird time signatures, very long songs, "concept" albums and
>non-rock instrumentation.
>In other words: Yes, Pink Floyd, Genesis, ELP ...
>It was a good idea at first but eventually succumbed to pompousness and
>pretentiousness.

>Mostly dead now although a few crusties still worship it. Prog was one of
>the primary things that punk was designed to tear down and destroy.

I have to disagree with the "mostly dead now" pronouncement.  They may not
be heavy sellers, but there are a lot of prog bands out there nowadays.

The Musea label in France is doing an excellent job of reissuing classic
albums and Magna Carta and Kinesis in America, Voice Print in England, and
Mellow in Italy are releasing lots of new albums.

Some bands to look for: The Noisy Room aka TNR, Spock's Beard, Mastermind,
Anekdoten, Halloween, the non-metal Cathedral, Asgard, Landbrek, Ship Of
Fools, Omnia Opera, and Porcupine Tree.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
mcintyre@pa.msu.edu

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:05:16 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: pierre etoile (sans accent), emporer tomato ketchup,

              ride (sort of)

can anybody out there tell me about pierre etoile (with an accent above the
first e in etoile)?  i have "in the sun," on a compilation disc, and it's
pretty good, but i've never heard of this guy b4, so i have no idea what
else he's done or what it sounds like.

what's the us release date for emporer tomato ketchup?

somebody mentioned on the mbv list the other day that there's a new cheezy
snack out called "twisterellas" (like the ride song).  i'm sure their
introduction to the market was timed to coincide with the release of the
equally-cheezy "tarantula."  supposedly, they're two types of cheese (i
don't know which, i didn't see the ad) twisted together into some type of
string cheese product.  tasty pop confection indeed.

BiZ

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:03:21 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: MEDICINE


I'd say Medicine are thislisty; there's certainly been a lot of traffic
re. them on this list. I like all their albums, but if you've got "The
Buried Life" already I'd suggest getting "Shot Forth Self Living" (the
first one) next as it's better than "Her Highness" (the 3rd and last.)
SFSL is rather more MBV-derivative than their later stuff, but in a good
way. Also worth having is the "Sounds Of Medicine" EP which has two new
songs, some remixes, and the remix "Time Baby 3" which serves only to
demonstrate why Robin Guthrie should not be allowed to destroy other
people's songs any more. (So where the heck does the original "Time Baby"
appear?) There are a few other singles, which I know nothing about.

Brad Laner has been in the LA scene since, oh, 1980 or so, making various
kinds of noise. He appears on a few Savage Republic albums. Beth Thompson
was the singer of fourwaycross, another defunct LA band who were pretty
interesting. Medicine themselves have now broken up...

Brad has a side project called The Electric Company which is reputed to
be some tasty noise, but I haven't found the album yet.

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
             Dinosaurs early, dinosaurs later,
             Dinosaurs jammed in an elevator!   ________________________
                                                http://www.mooseyard.com


Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:25:41 -0500
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM) t is the name of the 4AD tour that will be making its way across North America in just under a month. LUSH, scheer, and Mojave 3 will be the featured bands. V23 have designed a logo and etc. for the tour. Here are the dates... april 11 Vancouver Commodore April 12 Seattle Show Box April 13 Portland LaLuna April 15 SF The Fillmore April 17 LA The Whiskey April 22 New Orleans House of Blues April 23 Atlanta Masquerade April 25 VA Beach The Abyss April 26 Philly Trocadero April 27 DC 9:30 Club April 29 Boston Paradise April 30 Providence Lupo's May 2 NYC Irving Plaza May 4 Toronto Opera House May 5 Detroit St. Andrews May 6 Cleveland Odeon Theatre May 7 Cincinnati Bogarts May 9 Chicago Cabaret Metro May 10 St. Louis Miss Nights May 11 Lawrence Granada May 12 Minneapolis First Ave. May 14 Boulder Fox Theatre May 15 SLC DV8 May 17 LA The Palace Hope to see you all there rich

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:54:32 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: violane and halfgifts


neitzl wrote:
>  I have converted these two songs for "netability" play.  meaning you need
>a free player to hear them over the internet.

You also need a Wintel box. Considering that Windoze-users account for
less than half of Net traffic, it'd be nice if you could upload the stuff
in a format the rest of us could use. Pretty please?

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
             Dinosaurs early, dinosaurs later,
             Dinosaurs jammed in an elevator!   ________________________
                                                http://www.mooseyard.com

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 14:33:08 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: UI (was: Prog Uber Alles)


Jens Alfke wrote:
> hk mentioned UI in his laundry list of current 'progressive' (lowercase
> 'p') bands. I recently read a short review of them in a Seattle music
> paper and they sounded interesting -- as I recall, the review lumped them
> in with 'post-rock'* along with Laika and Tortoise, and compared their
> sound to Savage Republic and early Gang Of Four.
> Could hk or somebody else elaborate a bit? I'd love to hear a review or
> know something about the band...

The only thing from UI that own is the 'Unlike - Remixes Volume 1' disc which, a
 indicated by
its title, is a series of remixes by various third-wave producer/engineer types 
f the stuff
that's been previously released as singles and EPs.  So it's not a very fair pla
e to start, if
you're looking to get a measure of what the "UI sound" is.

My musical lexicon fails me completely when it comes to this UI disc.  However, 
 think it
might be fair to say that the Tortoise comparison, while almost a reflexive knee
jerk, is not
an inaccurate one, as 'Unlike' and 'Millions Now Living Will Never Die' are almo
t
interchangeable in my disc player.  Another point of reference is the band Doldr
ms who
released an album entitled 'The Secret Life of Machines' on VHF a short while ba
k.  But then,
I bought all three albums within days of each other, so for me they all kinda ru
 into each
other.  Dunno about the Laika comparison, tho'.

For even more disinformation, try:

> * I think the name 'post-rock' is stupid, but like 'shoegazer' it seems
> to be used to describe bands that I think are interesting, so overall it
> seems a useful pigeonhole.

I agree - I'd say 'post-rock' is third in line for the most pathetically inane t
g invented by
a rock critic, right after 'foxcore' and 'wombadelic'.  Anyway, it's kinda inter
sting to see
how that particular pigeonhole has migrated from its initial umbrella over a maj
rity of the
TooPure roster to hovering Damocles-esque over almost everything Thrill Jockey h
th released.


hk
--
hk@neosoft.com | farrago@delphi.com | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
"'cos you're the latest hotshot britpop poet laureate..." - stephen duffy


Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 19:35:06 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: 4AD/v23 goodies at descent prices


Just vivited The Record-X-Change in Southgate, MI where I picked up a copy of
the Pieter Nooten/Michael Brook "Sleeps with the Fishes" for only $4.99

Other deals they had:
"This Rimy River"  only $24.99   they had 2 left

"Lonely is an Eyesore" mint(new) only $15.99  (the CD)

Belly "King" ltd. ed. book thingie....  i think this was $19.99

They had 3 copies of the ltd. ed. version of the Throwing Muses "University".
 I think they all had different prices on them for some reason.  (2 were in 1
part of the store while the other was in the front)  1 was stickered as
$12.99.  I don't think any of them were still sealed.

If any of you are interested, I'm not sure if they do mail oreder or not, but
you can contact them at:
313.282.8750
313.282.3011(fax)

happy hunting to you all....

~~blubelknol@aol.com

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 20:10:07 +1900
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Prog


  A strong second on Porcupine Tree...whether progressive or not.  I
really enjoy their CD "The Sky Moves Sideways".  I did notice the
influence of Pink Floyd...and that is NOT a negative comment.


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU


Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 19:13:03 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: MEDICINE


Jens Alfke wrote:
> (So where the heck does the original "Time Baby"
> appear?) There are a few other singles, which I know nothing about.

Man, I seem to be following up on the mooses all day!  :)

There's a web page somewhere (and God help me I don't have the URL handy anywher
) that has Time Baby 1
as one of them compressed audio files.  Sounds nothing like 2 or 3, from what li
tle I heard.

I'd also second Jens' recommendation for 'Shot Forth Self Living,' a true living
example of a prime
near-static noise-pop album if there ever were one.


Rocky, erm, hk
--
hk@neosoft.com and farrago@delphi.com or http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/
"make a fist of my heart, make it strong..." - spoonfed hybrid

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 19:06:40 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: pierre etoile (sans accent)


the boy in zinc wrote:
> can anybody out there tell me about pierre etoile (with an accent above the
> first e in etoile)?  i have "in the sun," on a compilation disc, and it's
> pretty good, but i've never heard of this guy b4, so i have no idea what
> else he's done or what it sounds like.

Pierre Etoile (Rock Star - geddit?) was the band that Damon Krukowski and Naomi 
ang
formed (with some help from Shimmy-man Kramer) after Dean bailed Galaxie.

"In the Sun" is from a four-song EP that came out on Rough Trade UK three or fou
 years
ago.  I dunno about the rest of the EP, but there was an early version of "This 
ar
Climbed Mt. Washington" which was later re-recorded for the first Damon and Naom
 record.
 Both songs are simply sublime, and Damon & Naomi are both sublime; however, it'
 be even
more sublime if you can even find a damn copy of the aforementioned EP.



hk
--
hk@neosoft.com and farrago@delphi.com or http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/
"make a fist of my heart, make it strong..." - spoonfed hybrid

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 20:46:53 -0500
From: Inbred Djed (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Kieslowski


> What other films, besides the trilogy and _The Double Life of Veronique_
>did he direct?  Those are his only films that I've seen, but I thought
>they were all brilliant, and would certainly like to see more,...
             ,
Krzysztof Kieslowski also directed:

Camera Buff (1976)
                               ,
The Calm Before The Storm [Spokoj] (1976, made for TV)

Blind Chance [Przypadek]
                      ,        ,
A Short Day's Work [Krotki dzien pracy] (1982)
                   ,
Without End [Bez konca] (1982)
                           ,               ,
A Short Film About Love [Krotki film o milosci] (1988)
                              ,
A Short Film About Killing [Krotki film o zabijaniu] (1988)

The Ten Commandments [Dekalog] (1989)

Hope this helps.

Larry

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 20:55:07 -0500
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Shaving The Pavement


A few answers for you all.  I hope you got the dates for Lush scheer and
Mojave 3.  If they did not come through let me know and I will repost them.
 Maybe the reason they are playing two dates in LA is because that is where
4AD is located.  Upcoming music from 4AD...
    His Name Is Alive   "Stars on ESP"  in June
    scheer "Infliction"   April 9
     Dead Can Dance  "Spiritchaser"  in June
     Heidi Berry "Miracle" in June
     Lisa Germano "excerts from the Love Circus"  In July
      Throwing Muses "Limbo"  in August

that's all for now


Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 17:45:59 -0800
From: Vada Pinson (brettg@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: pierre etoile (sans accent), emporer tomato ketchup,

              ride (sort of)

> can anybody out there tell me about pierre etoile (with an accent above the
> first e in etoile)?  i have "in the sun," on a compilation disc, and it's
> pretty good, but i've never heard of this guy b4, so i have no idea what
> else he's done or what it sounds like.

Pierre Etoile is the prelude name for what is now Damon and Naomi,
formerly with Galxie 500. As far as I know, they released one PE self
titled EP. The tracks are "in the sun", "nineteen sixty nine", and "this
car climbed mount washington". The damon and naomi album "more sad hits"
contains the last track. This is readily available. As for the
PE, I do not think it is printed anymore.

Brett

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 20:47:01 -0500
From: Inbred Djed (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: all hail the half-inflated demon prog lord


>> Mostly dead now although a few crusties still worship it. Prog was one of
>> the primary things that punk was designed to tear down and destroy.
>
>Oh, I don't know about that, Jens.  While you do have your armies of
crusties worshipping their
>cherished Van Der Graaf Generator LP's in the year of our lard, 1996, I
think there are elements of prog
>rock permeating the current indie scene through the work of folks like
Rachel's, Stereolab, UI,
>Tortoise, Slint, Trans Am, and the more out-and-out rawk outfits like
Helmet, Soundgarden, and Bitch
>Magnet that opted for song structures that are a little less linear than
your standard 4/4 and 3/4.

I think what's worth remembering is that there are different kinds of prog.
Most people tend to think of the worst excesses of Yes, Rush, ELP etc. but
the prog influence in something like Tortoise or Stereolab is more
reminiscent of krautrock (the German variety of prog, in a sense) in the
NEU!/Faust vein which is quite far removed from something like an
interminable Rick Wakeman solo...

Larry


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