Subject: Re: Is Treasure best? -Reply -Reply
Subject: Re: Pale Saints (was Re: RHP album info)
Subject: Re: Saintly and Pale
Subject: Ladykillers 2
Subject: Re: Ladykillers 2
Subject: Re: Ladykillers 2
Subject: lush tour in ny
Subject: Re: Saintly and Pale
Subject: Re: Ladykillers 2
Subject: Re: Ladykillers 2
Subject: Re: Re; finally heard lush
Subject: Re: Ladykillers 2
Subject: third eye foundation / stereolab / lush
Subject: Lush & MBV
Subject: PV
Subject: Re: Re; finally heard lush
Subject: What's up with 4AD mailorder??
Subject: WTB: 4AD/Lush stuff
Subject: 4AD box set..
Subject: Re: ESP Beetles/Jennifer Wolski split 7"
Subject: milk and kisses pushed back further still
Subject: Idaho
Subject: Last Night
Subject: lovelife
Subject: Re: Ladykillers 2
Subject: Monterey, CA
Subject: Love and Rockets
Subject: Re: lovelife
Subject: Re: milk and kisses pushed back further still
Subject: Mojave 3, Lush LIVE
Subject: Re: "This Rimy River" ltd.ed. / What's up with 4AD mailorder??
Subject: (Fwd) Doh!!!
Subject: auction results (finally)
Subject: ESP Continent
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 22:12:14 +0000
> Another message from my net-less friend. :)
> It seems he is responding to our friend, Pepe's reply! Dig that one out
> if you still have it.
> :)
> >Return-Path: [email protected]
> >Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:18:23 -0600
> >From: Scott Hartzler
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:58:32 -0500
a second for Slow Buildings! no its not the same band that put out
Comforts or Ribbons, but theres still some good stuff there. they just
need a little time to work themselves out of the wake of Ian. Chris and
Graeme are really great musicians and Mer has a lovely croon.
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 00:14:46 -0600
On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, Dewdrops Records wrote:
> are brilliant, IMHO, especially Ordeal with its odd timing
> (can anyone explain what sort of timing this is? as in 4/4 or
> whatever), and the glockenspiel toward the end. I do think
Unless I'm missing it entirely I think Ordeal's time sig is 3/4. Stunning
song, whatever.
Martin
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 00:12:46 -0600
Anyone still hoping for a bit of the "old" Lush sound might very well be
happy with Ladykillers Disc 2. The 3 bonus songs on this single are all
actually very nice (as opposed to the throwaways on both the Single Girl
discs), and one, Oranges and Plums, is downright brilliant, combining the
interesting chord changes and, well, lushness of early Lush with a cool
kind of ska/dub arrangement. Lush still has it. Just no more duets with
Jarvis Cocker, please! :)
Martin
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 22:37:16 -0800
On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Martin Wagner wrote:
> Anyone still hoping for a bit of the "old" Lush sound might very well be
> happy with Ladykillers Disc 2. The 3 bonus songs on this single are all
> actually very nice (as opposed to the throwaways on both the Single Girl
> discs), and one, Oranges and Plums, is downright brilliant, combining the
> interesting chord changes and, well, lushness of early Lush with a cool
> kind of ska/dub arrangement. Lush still has it. Just no more duets with
> Jarvis Cocker, please! :)
Who _is_ Jarvis Cocker anyway? I mean, I know he sings on "Ciao!"
but what band is he from? His name sounds familiar.
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 02:12:46 -0500
you said it, martin, and i say it as i said it before:
PLUMS AND ORANGES MAKE ME BELIEVE!
i wish lush went in this direction- old gala beauty with a split vibe and
just a great glorious sunset feel oh it's so good, it's a hidden gem, and
if you've given up on lush at least listen to Plums and Oranges, it's soooo
lovely.
"Dear Me" on disc one is groovy too, Spooky-ish, lovely, melancholy, a
revamped "elegia" by New Order.
ever faithful
lushous lor
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 02:31:00 -0500
i've just heard....lush will be at Irving Plaza in the first week of may
just around finals, for sure!
does anyone have the complete list of dates?
lorraine
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 02:29:35 -0500
> (can anyone explain what sort of timing this is? as in 4/4 or
i believe Ordeal is in 3/4 time, which makes it a waltz. you can sing
the melody in 3/4, but the beats are quite syncopated and that's why it
seems like it's in some odd time.
that is a great song, great album...but i must say that CoM is more
blissful in my book...i'll take Deep Sleep over Blue Flower any day...
"like the dragon on the dresser on the floor" ??? - is that it?
xxlorraine
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 02:26:46 -0500
> Who _is_ Jarvis Cocker anyway? I mean, I know he sings on "Ciao!"
> but what band is he from? His name sounds familiar.
>
jarvis is from pulp. he's the guy who mocked michael jackson on stage in
britain and has become a national hero as a result! too cool...
apparently miki was a big pulp fan, following their tours around, and
eventually met the cocker himself. she asked him to sing on Ciao! when
lush's own chris acland refused to.
ll
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 08:40:52 +0100
> Who _is_ Jarvis Cocker anyway? I mean, I know he sings on "Ciao!"
>but what band is he from? His name sounds familiar.
PULP (but he also works with Michael Jackson)
Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, March 19, 1996
... [email protected]
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 08:51:01 +0000
On Mon, 18 Mar 1996 14:10:22 EST Dez
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The more people wibble on about how pissed off they are about Lush
>not sounding the same as they used to, the more I feel that they have
>been vindicated for changing.
YES! You hit the nail right on the head there, mate!
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 10:26:04 -0500
>
> Who _is_ Jarvis Cocker anyway? I mean, I know he sings on "Ciao!"
>but what band is he from? His name sounds familiar.
He's the singer of a band called "PULP" ...
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 09:09:17 -0800
bought the 'semtex' cd last thursday (because of internet reviews and
because i liked the cover) and it's quite wonderful, a dash of 'distance'
era flying saucer attack (understandable really), a spoonful of slowdive
(both early and the 'in mind' stuff) and a dollop of disjecta. only 6
tracks but a couple of them are over 10 minutes long so...
new stereolab cd is slightly disappointing after the electric live shows
but, hey, any stereolab is better than no stereolab. highlights are
'motoroller scalatron' and 'metronomic underground'.
heard lush vs jarvis last night, the track from 'lovelife' that guest
stars jarvis cocker. nancy sinatra and lee hazlewood anyone?
--
[email protected]
crazy, brutal, a torpedo...
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 09:39:24 +0000
Mar 18, 96 02:10:22 pm
Dez <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> By the way - the sleeves to the eps / lp are quite droll. It's
> good to see v23 trying something completely new and off the
> wall.
Piece about Vaughan Oliver in Friday's "Guardian" (I think it was
Friday), as in the recent "Independent" profile he says he would still
buy most of the label's output even if he wasn't so intimately involved
with the bands, and says he specifically went for a different look on
the new Lush sleeves to fit in with their "new" sound. (I think
there's been a slow progression towards a cleaner sound, but if 4AD want
to market Lush as New Improved BritPop (TM) they'll probably sell more
records).
einexile the meek Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:03:03 PST
retained.
retained.
retained.
retained.
retained.
retained.
retained.
retained.
retained.
retained.
retained.
retained.
retained.
retained.
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 07:20:01 -0500
On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, Dez wrote:
> The problem with this list is that there are too many narrow-minds. Too many
> people who want everything rigidly categorised, classified and in it's own
> 'proper' place. If you think the new Lush is crap - say so. If you want to whi
e
> on forever about them having the audacity to change, then fuck off.
the reason that i personally subscribe to this list is precicely because
of a real 'category' (or 'classification,' if you like) of music/art
which _is_ 4AD. A rigid category only inasmuch as 4AD (at one time??)
held its talent to rigid standards of excellence. Didnt matter if it was
noisy, dissonant, unnerving, assulting, as long as the art/craftsmanship
was top notch. Im using the past tense, unfortunately, because these
standards seem to have been lowered over the past few years. That's
why we're dissatisfied with the new lush album. Not because it
somehow challenges our monolithic standards for how a 4AD record should
'sound', but rather, our very articulate standards for how a
4AD record should be 'made'. Quality just aint there.
Same holds true for some of the 23 Envelope sleeves as of late, imho.
We aint pining for a return to the 'good old days'. Those late eighties
4ad records were quite ahead of their time. And thats what we want still.
We want to be swept off our feet, taken captive. Not bored by shit we
could find on any other label, in any other genre.
now i'll step down from the pulpit, and shut up.
dan
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:50:42 +0100
Anyone got his 'This Rimy River' deluxe book yet? Aren't 4AD just a bunch of
cheats? Charging people's credit cards and clearing cheques in January and
delivering the stuff (hopefully!), more than 2 months later!
And I'm also still waiting for my copy of Lush 'Lovelife' from 4AD
Subscription Service! The album was released here last week (and 2 weeks ago
in the US, I believe), but I haven't found it in my mailbox yet.
Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
+++++++++++++++++++
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 08:41:26 -0800
I'm looking for a copy of the "13 Year Itch" and also the
Lush "Lit Up/Rupert the Bear" flexi. If interested in selling
them to me (or renting), please let me know. ThankS!
--
Chris.
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 10:12:02 -0800
All discussion regarding this seems to have disappeared completely...
strange.
I'll ask again -- what was decided in regards to a Warren Defever/ESP
discussion-based mailing list? I recall one person saying something to
the effect of "I'll set it up over the weekend," but if anything was
posted following that, I've missed it completely.
Thanks,
Mikee
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:56:47 -0500
I picked this up over the weekend, and dont really dig it.
i would be eager to swap for a tape of whatever
email me privately, pleeze.
dan
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:10:51 -0500
This from the 'official' twins website:
Saturday, March 16, 1996
Cocteau Twins will be playing at Rough Trade's 20th Anniversary show
on March 25th at the Subterranea. Capitol has pushed back the
release date of Milk and Kisses until early May.
So, why the delay? The only good reason i could imagine is that the twins
are waiting for album release to more closely coincide with their north
american tour this summer. and furthermore, (IN FANTASY) that they are
waiting so long with the tour/album because they are waiting for Dead Can Dance
o
release their new lp, in order for both of the two bands to tour the
states together. playing medium-sized outdoor venues, with HNIA as opening
band. and dcd/cox flipping a coin to determine who goes on first....
instant poll: what does the list think about a fantasy tour such as the
one described above. would it be good? bad? detract from the experience
of seeing one at a time? or would it be the ultimate 4ad and friends fest.
anyone? anyone?
frye....frye.....frye...
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:14:48 -0600
retained.
retained.
retained.
Idaho's latest album "Three Sheets to the Wind" was at first a
disappointment, considering the incredible power of the first
album, "Year After Year", still one of my favourite records.
I was hoping for depression, anguish, sadness . . . i was
disappointed with their second album too. I still enjoyed
listening, but the music didn't speak to me like the first
album did.
However, after the first few listens, i tried to listen to it
without thinking of the first album at all, and it worked.
It's far superior to "This Way Out", though with a similar
sound. There's that four-string guitar and martin's vocals,
and a few of those huge dropping bridges that were all over
"Year After Year". Instead of being pained he's merely . . .
melancholy? Instead of being sadder than Codeine, they're
more on par with Red House Painters now. Too bad for me, but
mebbe they'll get more listeners this way. It still kicks
Ocean Beach's butt =).
kagin
The one thing I've always tried to do when listening to releases is
keep those ears open. Having written reviews for zines and working in
radio I know the tendency to listen at one take and whammo,
insto-judge. So while a music director for a couple of stations, I
kinda made a standing guideline/rule to listen to something 5 times.
Seemed to be a magic number and one could really make a quality
assessment especially if something didn't set your ears all a tingle at
first listen. It was an attempt to get rid of the instaneous
gratification trip which can be a great ride but leaves you grasping
for more. A lot of jazz can benefit from listening 4 or 5 times, the
music is complex and sometimes so simple it is complex.
Doesn't mean that even the most terrible piece of crap will sound
better after 5 listens or so, but just that at least the release is
given a chance to develop.
SO the bottom line, I'm glad you kept listening to the Idaho release.
Yikes, i ramble.
euthelene
saw the japanese version today. $30 for the album, plus a bonus disc with
six extra songs (no, i couldn't read the titles, the titles of the bonus
tracks didn't appear in english). just so you all know, the little piece of
paper along the "binding" that appears on all japanese cds, read "lush:
britpop," and a bunch of stuff in japanese. still haven't heard the album
yet, but i was wondering if one of you japanese listies could help me out by
telling me which songs are on the bonus disc.
thanks,
BiZ
The bonus disc includes
1.Tinkerbell
2.Outside World
3.Cul de Sac
4.Pudding
5.Demysyidication
6.Shut Up
They were included in "Single Girl"'s 2CDs.
In Japan 300 people who bought this CD win a "Single Girl"T-shirt.
And I bought this one at HMV, they threw in a lush's poster.
TAKESHI
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:00:34 -0800
> Who _is_ Jarvis Cocker anyway? I mean, I know he sings on "Ciao!"
> but what band is he from? His name sounds familiar.
the britpop band pulp.
-c-
we shall board our imagined ship and wildly sail
among sacred islands of the mad till Death
shatters the fabulous stars and makes us real.
-s.plath
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
but if write what my soul thinks,
she said, then it will be visible,
and the words will be its body...
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:25:28 -0600
I am considering going to graduate school in Monterey next fall. I was
just in San Fransisco on my spring break ans since I was in the area I took
a trip down to Monterey to tour the "campus". I was wondering if anyone
lives near there (not more than an hour away) and could tell me more about
the area. Like, am I going to have to resort to mail-order and the
occassional splurge of a $36RT ticket to get to San Fransisco to buy music,
or to see bands? I really only saw the school and didn't have much time to
see what the city has to offer. Despite the fact that it is on the ocean
and I could finally escape the midwest, I am afraid that it may be hard to
live there. Any comments????
Monica
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:46:04 +0100
Probably not very thislisty, i just listened to the latest Love and Rockets
release (Sweet F.A.). It is not as bad as I thought. Nothing too exciting
though. very similar to "Love and Rockets" really. I miss the good old Tones
on Tail and early stuff. Too bad Daniel and the dudes mellowed out. Also got a
picture from the press release, what's up with Daniel looking like Bono, hair,
shades everything??????
_NBZ
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 15:52:38 -0800
>----------
>
>saw the japanese version today. $30 for the album, plus a bonus disc with
>six extra songs (no, i couldn't read the titles, the titles of the bonus
>tracks didn't appear in english). just so you all know, the little piece of
>paper along the "binding" that appears on all japanese cds, read "lush:
>britpop," and a bunch of stuff in japanese. still haven't heard the album
>yet, but i was wondering if one of you japanese listies could help me out by
>telling me which songs are on the bonus disc.
Are the songs on the second disc only found on the second disc? I'm
thinking about the Japanese release of Belly "King" that had the second
disc, but all the songs on it were just b-sides to "Now They'll Sleep."
Speaking of two disc sets, has anyone heard that two-disc Chapterhouse
album? I've never heard anything by them, but I saw it for $6.00 used.
What do they sound like?
Jake
I'm pretty sure all of Robert Ashley's pre-1980's releases have been
destroyed
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:12:31 -0500
You know, I'm getting really pissed off with the release date continuing to be
pushed back. Some of us aren't as "in-the-know" as others to have "obtained"
a copy of this 4 months ago. :(
What is this shit? I don't want a bootleg of it; I don't want a tape of it; I
don't want to pay $40 for a copy "ahead of time". I want to be able to go to
the goddamn store and buy it for $13.
I'm tired of reading reviews of this CD. I've been deleting them because I
want to hear it for myself first before I read someone else's opinion of what
the cocteaus do/do not sound like.
fuss fuss fuss bitch moan crab crab crab frika fraka brika braka where in the
hell is milk and kisses
I wish Fontana or Capital (or whoever the hell is distributing it) would get
their collective head out of their ass and release it already!
marvyn
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 13:20:20 +1100
Gentlefolk,
This is a call/challenge to any fans of Mojave 3/Slowdive and Lush. Does anyone
know the complete live set up of my fave bands? I'm talking amps, guitar
pedals - the hole kit n' keeboodle. I would really like to know the specifics
on amp and guitars makes, what pedals or keyboards they use, and extra stuff
they carry around with them on tour.
This would make my life just a bit more complete,
Thankyou!!
Mark.
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 21:39:40 -0500
In a message dated 96-03-19 09:41:28 EST, you write:
>Anyone got his 'This Rimy River' deluxe book yet? Aren't 4AD just a bunch of
>cheats? Charging people's credit cards and clearing cheques in January and
>delivering the stuff (hopefully!), more than 2 months later!
>
>
i too, have not received my "TRR" ltd.ed. as of yet. and they too, charged
my visa account in late january. they mailed me the receipt along with a
note that said ".. it will be shipped in march". what they probably meant
was that they would be shipped march 31st, and we (overseas) would get them
about 10 days afterward in april. or, as i joked to a friend that we would
all get them on april 1st to lets us know what fools we've been to pay so
much for something and then have to wait so long for it. if you ask me, as
patient as we've been, 4AD should send us a free CD or something.
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 21:15:51 +0000
Well, thoth mailed it back to me, and I now am able to post my list
of cocteau twins faves as promised--much to everyone's delight, I'm
sure :)
1. Love's Easy Tears EP
2. The Pink Opaque (Actually the Pearly-Dewdrops' Drops EP with
"Millimillenary" thrown in for extra measure)
3. Head Over Heels
4. Treasure
5. Garlands w/ Peel Sessions EP
6. Peppermint Pig EP
7. Moon and the Melodies (just the 4 tracks liz sings on, sort of an
EP)
8. Otherness EP
9. Echoes in a Shallow Bay EP
10. Tiny Dynamine EP
11. Aikea Guinea EP
12. Iceblink Luck EP
13. Lullabies EP
14. Victorialand
15. Heaven or Las Vegas
16. Milk and Kisses (based on one listen)
17. Four Calendar Cafe
18. Bluebeard EP
19. Evangeline EP
20. Blue Bell Knoll
21. Twinlights EP
oops--forgot Sunburst and Snowblind EP; call it 8.5
fight over it, flame me, enjoy, whatever
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