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Subject: Re: pale saints: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 22:34:04 CST; From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Fwd: Re: Pale Saints (was Re: RHP album info): Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 00:29:52 -0500; From: Glen Greenman (GGreenman@GNN.COM)
Subject: For a goodtime call 1900-big-parts, 4-ad related): Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 22:42:20 -0800; From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Spoonfed Hybrid (was Re: pale saints): Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 00:35:13 -0600; From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: new cocteaus web site...: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 23:03:07 -0800; From: Jack B Huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Pale Saints (was Re: RHP album info): Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 01:24:56 -0600; From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Lush "For Love" 10" for sale: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 10:09:26 +0200; From: Raimondas Kiveris (kiveris@CS.HELSINKI.FI)
Subject: Lovelife: The Tour (part two): Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 08:45:27 +0000; From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Tarantula: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 06:58:26 -0500; From: jesus el pifco (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: miss/mister internet competition: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:14:28 -0100; From: x246y (x246y@PARTNER-CONTACT.COM)
Subject: finally heard lush: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 09:16:39 -0800; From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Idaho: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:14:48 -0600; From: Kagin Lee (klee1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu)
Subject: 4AD box set..: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:58:43 +0000; From: Sunday Records (sunday@PYROTECHNICS.COM)
Subject: Re; finally heard lush: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 14:10:22 EST; From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: RHP album info: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:03:37 +0000; From: mbdtssv (mbdtssv@AFS.MCC.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: 4AD box set..: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 14:17:54 -0500; From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Looking for Hector Zazou discography: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:54:38 -0800; From: Juliet_Okeefe@SFU.CA
Subject: Re: 4AD box set..: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 21:38:58 +0100; From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: 4AD box set..: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:44:19 -0800; From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Scheer here: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:41:54 -0500; From: Heather Elizabeth Phares (hepcat@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints (was Re: RHP album info): Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:44:06 -0600; From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Cascade/TopTwins/Double-O Valentine: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 14:40:00 PST; From: "Heileson, Thomas" (heilts1@MPE11.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints (was Re: RHP album info): Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 17:02:23 -0600; From: John Nguyen Van (jvskip@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Re: For a goodtime call 1900-big-parts, 4-ad related): Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:15:04 -0800; From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: 4AD box set..: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:24:00 -0800; From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: Pale Saints (was Re: RHP album info): Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:56:12 -0500; From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: miss/mister internet competition: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:20:33 -0800; From: [suppressed]
Subject: Saintly and Pale: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:56:53 -0800; From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Is Treasure best? -Reply -Reply: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 19:23:31 -0600; From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: be still: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 19:43:03 -0600; From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Re: Saintly Ordeals: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 21:32:03 -0500; From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)

Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 22:34:04 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: pale saints


buy comforts, and if you can find it, the japanese import mrs. dolphin (a
compilation of the barging, half-life with a couple of extra songs).  flesh
balloon is also good, with the rest being less essential, imo (note that i
said less essential, not unessential).  of course, i'm horribly biased b/c i
pretty much like everything ian has touched (except that pail saint cassette
on time stereo -- boring!)

i like to describe comforts as psych meets surf meets shoegazing.  the last
four tracks on that album are my favorite 15-20 minutes of music (except
maybe colours and shapes.)

spoonfed hybrid, one of ian's post-ps projects are also very good (where's
that ep, hk?)  though they're much darker and more synth oriented than ps.
think bark psychosis or slowdive's pygmalion as far as mood goes.  i love to
put those three, pram's sargasso sea and portishead's dummy in my cd changer
on random.

anyway, i've rambled on for long enough.  time to get back to that homework
i didn't do over break.

BiZ

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 00:29:52 -0500
From: Glen Greenman (GGreenman@GNN.COM)
Subject: Fwd: Re: Pale Saints (was Re: RHP album info)


3/17/96, Me  said:

>>>The comfort of madness is THE pale saints album to get...i dont
care how much it costs, get it!  IF you can afford to, also get the
two eps, barging into the presence of god, and halflife....both
excellent, good thing i picked them up back in college!<<<

I have the above three classic Pale Saints releases, all mint
condition, for sale! If interested, please email an offer to the
above address, or preferably to 102724.3265@compuserve.com. Other
4AD for sale: Belly (Feed the Tree, Gepetto, Star); Colourbox
(album & mini LP CDs); His Name Is Alive (Livonia); Wolfgang Press
(Bird Wood Cage; A Girl Like You; Queer).

Thanks for your time!
Glen

PS. I also can guarantee a flat $.10/minute long distance rate!
Nope, just kidding.

Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 22:42:20 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: For a goodtime call 1900-big-parts, 4-ad related)


    Ok, so I have some extra money and was wondering If anyine could
recommend some CDs for me. I kinda like the dark, depressing, pop
thing. Such as Lush's "Gala", "Spooky", and "Love at First Sight" ,
Pale Saints' "In ribbons", and Cathrene Wheel's "Black Metallic"(SP?)
I like Pizzicato Five too.

I have some other people's recomendations:
Spoonfed Hybred
Pale Saints "In the Comforts of Madness"

Please, I've got $400 to blow on crap!


Some Lush questions before I go:
1.) What is the LED. Spooky digi-pack?

2.) What are the other six songs on the Japaneese release of the
    "Lovelife" double CD?

3.) Where can I find the "For Love" cd single?

                                        Brian

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 00:35:13 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Spoonfed Hybrid (was Re: pale saints)

the boy in zinc wrote:
> spoonfed hybrid, one of ian's post-ps projects are also very good (where's
> that ep, hk?)  though they're much darker and more synth oriented than ps.
> think bark psychosis or slowdive's pygmalion as far as mood goes.  i love to
> put those three, pram's sargasso sea and portishead's dummy in my cd changer
> on random.

Funny that you ask, BiZ.  :)  We just got the master (ha-ha) tape from London th
 other day, along
with the artwork, and as soon as we get a minor detail ironed out, everything's 
eading straight to
the pressing plant!

The whole thing's really, really great, but then, I'd _have_ to say that, wouldn
t I?  ;)  Five
songs, two from the 7" on le Tatou Colerique, a Defever edit of a remix of a son
 that's gone through
various studios and mixing desks from London to Edinborogh to Sheffield to Leeds
to Livonia, and two
new compositions.  All clocks in at around thirty minutes.  Actually, I think th
s disc would go well
with 'Pygmalion,' 'Hex,' 'Sargasso Sea' and 'Dummy,' as different as those two d
scs are from this.

Anyway, updates as events develop.  Keep listening, and be patient.  Heaven know
 we're trying....
;)

Laters,

hk

PS.  Oh yeh, just got the 'Whore' CD today, and well, I likes it.  The soundbite
I downloaded for the
MBV track is a little misleading, as the real version on the CD isn't as bottom-
eavy.  It rocks,
tho'.  Even the Lush tune is cool.  :)  Best part has to be Graham Sutton of Bar
 Psychosis doing a
Barry White impersonation on "Three Girl Rhumba" which sounds nothing like the o
iginal (and when
asked why they picked this song, they'd answered "Well, we couldn't work out the
words to
'Connection'..." [rimshot, canned laughter]).
--
hk@neosoft.com and farrago@delphi.com or http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/
"make a fist of my heart, make it strong..." - spoonfed hybrid

Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 23:03:07 -0800
From: Jack B Huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: new cocteaus web site...


I am very happy to annouce the release of the official cocteau twins
web site after many months of revisions. Although the domain name is not
yet perfect, you can bookmark this url:


Feel free to publicize it in every medium or channel that has twins fans.

thanks

jack b huynh
                jhuy@garnet.berkeley.edu

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 01:24:56 -0600
From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Pale Saints (was Re: RHP album info)


At 12:29 AM 3/18/96 -0500, you wrote:
>3/17/96, Me  said:
>
>>>>The comfort of madness is THE pale saints album to get...i dont
>care how much it costs, get it!  IF you can afford to, also get the
>two eps, barging into the presence of god, and halflife....both
>excellent, good thing i picked them up back in college!<<<
>
>I have the above three classic Pale Saints releases, all mint
>condition, for sale! If interested, please email an offer to the
>above address, or preferably to 102724.3265@compuserve.com. Other
>4AD for sale: Belly (Feed the Tree, Gepetto, Star); Colourbox
>(album & mini LP CDs); His Name Is Alive (Livonia); Wolfgang Press
>(Bird Wood Cage; A Girl Like You; Queer).
>
>Thanks for your time!
>Glen
>
>PS. I also can guarantee a flat $.10/minute long distance rate!
>Nope, just kidding.
>
How much for BirdWood Cage?  Thnx
ernesto
i only charge .05 a minute

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 10:09:26 +0200
From: Raimondas Kiveris (kiveris@CS.HELSINKI.FI)
Subject: Lush "For Love" 10" for sale


I have for sale Lush 10" EP "For Love" (BAD D 2001, ltd. edition,
#7296). It is in perfect shape.
I'll take bids for it till the end of March. Initial bid is $20 US,
shipping not included.

While I am at it, I also have "Secret Tracks 2" tape for sale with tracks by
Lush, Lisa Germano, Kristin Hersh, Aphex Twin, Franks Black etc. Email
me your offer if interested.

        =Rai

kiveris@cc.helsinki.fi

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 08:45:27 +0000
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Lovelife: The Tour (part two)


DAY EIGHT: EDINBURGH THE VENUE

I'm not boring you, am I?  As stated in my previous missive, days five
to seven (two gigs) had been inaccessible to me thanks to the pressures
of work..  So it was with eager anticipation that I arrived at "The Venue"
in Edinburgh, a pub/club type haunt tucked away beneath Prince's
Street.  The punters began to trickle in, and by the time Coast had
performed, there was quite a respectable crowd in attendance.  The odd
thing, though, was their relative subdued-ness, especially given the
Scots' reputation for pure joi de vivre (no offence intended, netscots!).
For such a small venue, the atmosphere was calm(ish), although
everyone seemed to be enjoying themselves.  And the band's
performance?

For the completists amongst us, the set was pretty much the same as
Sheffield (minus the Wire cover), and considering that Chris was
suffering from an un-named illness that forced him on to the wagon and
back to the hotel as soon as the lights went up, it was still a show and a
half, even if not quite reaching the dizzy heights of the Sheffield
Leadmill the previous Saturday.  Roll on Glasgow...

DAY NINE: GLASGOW THE GARAGE

A nightclubby-type place with half a car protruding from the wall above
the door, the audience seemed, well,  NOT THERE!  Coast (on their last
night supporting) performing to a maximum of fifteen people, and even
Lush produced a quiet if positive response to their performance.  It was
a measure of the audience's restrained attitude that I was able to leave
the front of the stage during "Ladykillers", go to the bar, buy a drink, and
return to my spot in front of one of the monitor mixers without spilling a
drop.  It is possible that another gig in town that same night (local lassie
Lesley Rankine's new band Ruby) had pinched Lush's potential
audience (the last time they played Glasgow on the "Split" tour was
WILD) but even so, it was an enjoyable experience.  And Chris was
feeling better too.  The set had benefited from a slight reshuffle, the
band now opening with "Heavenly  Nobodies" instead of "Runaway".

DAY TEN: DERBY UNIVERSITY

Who says student gigs are crap?  After the relative gentility of the
Scottish dates, the pogoing, crowdsurfing, stagediving antics of the
Derby Student population was a refreshing injection of pure energy.  And
naturally, this rubbed off on the band, who produced a set which, whilst
still not quite equalling Sheffield, was still extremely energetic.  The
enthusiasm of the crowd's response produced a third encore of
"Demystification", (punchier than the CD rendition on Single Girl disc
two) before the band fled back to London for a well earned day off before
tackling Manchester Hacienda, a notorious venue located in the home
town of the Smiths, Stone Roses and Oasis amongst others...

DAY ELEVEN: MANCHESTER HACIENDA

An odd one, this.  Having just this minute arrived back from Manchester
on the overnight coach, it's still very fresh in my mind, and the
overwhelming impression is that, like the Liverpool Lomax before it, the
venue was just too small for a band of Lush's stature; the Hacienda is
undergoing some renovations at the moment, and it was on the smaller
of the two stages that last night's gig took place.  Nevertheless, the
audience weren't quite as lively as the Liverpudlians had been
(Mancunian cool?), and even though the diminutive room was packed,
there wasn't much movement (quite a few shouted comments, though  "I
want to bone you!" shouted one lad.  "Does that mean you want to shag
me?" retorted Miki, "Oh, I'm so flattered" [HEAVY SARCASM]).  The band
however, played a good one; "Deluxe" and "Sweetness & Light"
standing out in my memory as two of the highlights (perhaps the band's
energy was feeding off there being more older Lush fans in the
audience?).  The setlist was as in Derby, again finishing off with
"Demystification".  All in all, not half bad for a Sunday night out in chilly
Manchester.  I'm looking forward to Birmingham on Wednesday, having,
again, to miss two gigs (Stoke & Bristol) due to gainful employment.
Happy birthday Miki!

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 06:58:26 -0500
From: jesus el pifco (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Tarantula


>if you read a few interviews, the album was finished before the break up
>was immanent.

Well, then it sounds like they knew the end was at hand, or like they just
didn't feel like trying.

>Its amazing how many nay sayers crawl out of the woodwork whenever a band
>changes its style! I guess I'll just have to keep listening to nowhere
>over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

Oh, but that would be boring! My complaint is not that it doesn't sound like
Nowhere or even because it sounds different. It's just that it sounds like
they didn't put much effort into it. Nice lettering on the sleeve, though.

Larry

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:14:28 -0100
From: x246y (x246y@PARTNER-CONTACT.COM)
Subject: miss/mister internet competition


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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 09:16:39 -0800
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: finally heard lush


Not wanting to kick a dead cat but I did finally get to hear this album
over the weekend. Gross cover. Just plain silly. Anyways, the CD started
and I had to double check to make sure it was the right one. All I can
say is that this sounds more like a garage band that Lush. Where is their
trademark sound? Oh well, I guess it's there band. I think I'll wait and
see if BMG gets this CD in their catalog.

Anyways, then I walked over to the CD singles section of the store. Holy
commercialism by 4AD! What's up with all these Lush singles? At $9.99 no
less. If I were I diehard fan I would have been out $50! Gross covers too.

So sad.

matthew

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:14:48 -0600
From: Kagin Lee (klee1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu)
Subject: Idaho


Idaho's latest album "Three Sheets to the Wind" was at first a
 disappointment, considering the incredible power of the first
 album, "Year After Year", still one of my favourite records.
 I was hoping for depression, anguish, sadness . . . i was
 disappointed with their second album too.  I still enjoyed
 listening, but the music didn't speak to me like the first
 album did.

However, after the first few listens, i tried to listen to it
 without thinking of the first album at all, and it worked.
 It's far superior to "This Way Out", though with a similar
 sound.  There's that four-string guitar and martin's vocals,
 and a few of those huge dropping bridges that were all over
 "Year After Year".  Instead of being pained he's merely . . .
 melancholy?  Instead of being sadder than Codeine, they're
 more on par with Red House Painters now.  Too bad for me, but
 mebbe they'll get more listeners this way.  It still kicks
 Ocean Beach's butt =).

The "Bayonet" ep is pretty similar i suppose, with one song
 that tries to sound like something from Year After Year but
 fails to convey the emotion.

For you audio geeks, it's recorded in HDCD, a sonic improvement
 that didn't even make a flash in the pan.  Why accept 18 bits
 when we'll have 24 or 32 in a few years?

kagin

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:58:43 +0000
From: Sunday Records (sunday@PYROTECHNICS.COM)
Subject: 4AD box set..


Hi

I;m looking for a coyp of the 4AD box set....can anyone help
thanks
albert

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 14:10:22 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re; finally heard lush


The more people wibble on about how pissed off they are about Lush not sounding
the same as they used to, the more I feel that they have been vindicated for
changing. Why oh why are there so many people on this list who want every band
(and the label) to stick rigidly to some formula. It's pathetic. Lush, and any
other band, can record what they damn well please. In fact, music would be more
interesting if more people took that road, and worried less about how their
'fans' would react.
The problem with this list is that there are too many narrow-minds. Too many
people who want everything rigidly categorised, classified and in it's own
'proper' place. If you think the new Lush is crap - say so. If you want to whine
on forever about them having the audacity to change, then fuck off.

By the way - the sleeves to the eps / lp are quite droll. It's good to see v23
trying something completely new and off the wall.

Dez

PS - In case you haven't noticed, 4AD are a commercial company. They sell
things. If people don't buy them, then 4AD cease to exist. So to accuse them of
commercialism by trying (and succeeding) to have UK hits is a bit stupid.

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:03:37 +0000
From: mbdtssv (mbdtssv@AFS.MCC.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: RHP album info

              from "Geoff Elgey" at Mar 18, 96 09:52:20 am

> Anyway, I would like to indulge the good folk of the list once more, if I
> may. I have a taste for Red House Painters now, but I can only get the
> CD's by order, so I can't listen to them first before I buy them. So, if
> anyone in 4AD-land can describe/review the following RHP cd's, I would be
> eternally grateful:
>
>   "Down Colorful Hill"
>   "Bridge" (ie, 2nd self-titled cd, with bridge on the cover)
>
> I already have "Ocean Beach" & the one with the rollercoaster on the
> cover, both of which I play constantly. I am a bit apprehensive about
> "Down Colorful Hill" - I've heard that is essentially a demo, so I
> just wonder about the sound quality, etc.
>
Down Colorful Hill is the best RHP album-all the songs apart from Lord
Kll The Pain are magnificent. Sound quality is fine, and Michael is just
one of my favourite songs EVER. The 'Bridge' album is less good to my ears,
with an inferior version of New Jersey and a couple of not v. good covers
(disappointing, because I Am A Rock is a great song.) However, it's worth
getting for Bubble, Helicoptor and Uncle Joe, all archetypal RHP songs,
in the same vein as, say, Katy Song.
Finally I would suggest looking for the single Shock Me to hear the
b-sides. Sundays And Holidays is a beautiful song, and there is an unlisted
track after the acoustic version of Shock Me. It's an instrumental with
some lovely strings and, I think, flugelhorn or something of that ilk.
I was hoping that Ocean Beach would be along more of the same lines
(ie loads of strings and stuff) but there was less than I thought there'd
be. Ah well, it was a great album anyway.

Here's looking forward to the next one

Simon

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 14:17:54 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: 4AD box set..


> I;m looking for a coyp of the 4AD box set....can anyone help


Lonely Is An Eyesore?
Cocteau Twins EPs?
Dead Can Dance Box?
Dead Can Dance TTW video/CD?
This Mortal Coil Box?

Which one?  These are just off the top of my head...


marvynHortman      Director FAQ --> ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:54:38 -0800
From: Juliet_Okeefe@SFU.CA
Subject: Looking for Hector Zazou discography


As above. Anyone got one kicking around? Thanks.

Juliet
__________________________________________________
okeefe@sfu.ca   +*  Imagination and fiction make up more than  ++
+*+*+*+*+*+*          three quarters of our real life - Simone Weil  ++

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 21:38:58 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: 4AD box set..


>Dead Can Dance Box?
>Dead Can Dance TTW video/CD?


Wait... what's the difference? (I've got the last one)


Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, March 18, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:44:19 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD box set..


>Hi
>
>I;m looking for a coyp of the 4AD box set....can anyone help
>thanks
>albert

Ummm... which one?  There are a few out there.

Jake

Who wishes it didn't take so damn long to drive to L.A. from S.F.

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:41:54 -0500
From: Heather Elizabeth Phares (hepcat@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Scheer here


Hi all,
Just recieved an advance of Scheer in the mail today. Haven't listened to
it yet, which means i'm still not sure whether or not "infliction" will
be more disliked than the new Ride and Lush combined, but it *does* mean
I'll probably get advances of the new HNIA and Lisa Germano in a few
weeks! woo hoo! Anyway, i'll post my findings once i give scheer a
listen.

cheers,

Heather

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:44:06 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints (was Re: RHP album info)


>'In Ribbons' could be a good place to start, as it is more of a "rock"
album, albeit with its share of
>good quirks.  'The Comforts of Madness' is my personal favorite.  I'd
actually recommend both these
>discs, at least if your budget allows such overindulgence.  :)
>


How different are these two? I=B4ve been planning to get TCOM but I=B4m not=
 sure
if i should or shouldn=B4t. Give me more hints!

Pepe

'The Picture you see, is no portrait of me...'
                                     NewOrder

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 14:40:00 PST
From: "Heileson, Thomas" (heilts1@MPE11.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Cascade/TopTwins/Double-O Valentine


First, cheers to His Meekness for the nice Ride review. You _are_ the fly in
the ointment!! (And I mean that in a good way...)

>------------------------------
>
>>P.S. : On an ambient note, a time ago somebody from Astralwerks mentioned
>>that FSOL's _cascade_ was going to be re-released. I came across this
>>message again a few days ago on the idm-list. Is it out or not ?
>
>Yep.
>I just picked that up a few days ago.

Could someone post a mini-review of this pls.? I came _this_ close to buying
it yesterday. (For reference, my fave FSOL = ISDN...)

>------------------------------
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>The list has gots to be:
>>>
>>>1.Blue Bell Knoll
>>>2.Heaven or Las Vegas
>>>3.Victorialand
>>>4.Garlands
>>>5.Four Calendar Cafe
>>>
>
>No, No, NO! You got it all wrong! The list should be:
>
>1) Treasure
>2) Heaven Or Las Vegas
>3) Blue Bell Knoll
>4) head Over Heels
>5) Four calendar Cafe
>6) Victorialand
>7) Garlands
>
>As for ep=B4s...
>
>1) Love=B4s Easy tears
>2) Aikea Guinea
>3) Spangle maker
>4) Tiny Dynamine/Echoes...
>5) Sunburst...
>6) Iceblink Luck
>7) All the other ones.
>
>Pepe

No no _no_, you're _both_ wrong!!! This is The Official Order:

LPs

1) Treasure
2) Victorialand
3) Moon & The Melodies (I consider it part of the CT oeuvre)
4) Head Over Heels
5) Blue Bell Knoll
6) The Pink Opaque (so it's a compilation...)
7) Garlands

EPs

1) Aikea Guinea ("Rococo" is a classic...)
2) Echoes In A Shallow Bay
3) that one with Feathers Oar Blades
4) Otherness
5) Love's Easy Tears
6) Iceblink Luck
7) All the other ones.

                                                             :)


>------------------------------
>
>
>"Map
>Ref 41N 93W" (Wire cover) has that loop'd feel of that James Bond theme
they
>did on 'Peace Together' with the requisite noisewash.

What? A funky MBV ditty I do not have? What is "Peace Together?" Details,
please!

Merc and, as usual, please cc any info to heilts1@mpe11.ghc.org as I cannot
peruse all digests...


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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 17:02:23 -0600
From: John Nguyen Van (jvskip@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints (was Re: RHP album info)

              Camil" at Mar 18, 96 03:44:06 pm

 Someone asked about Pale saints-

 Comforts of Madness is a lot more tuneful and energetic than In Ribbons,
 IMO. In Ribbons has more of the languid,atmospheric stuff similar to
 Spoonfed Hybrid, whereas the first LP is a lot more driving, with loads
 guitar freakouts and tricky tempo changes mid-song, plus the odd eerie
soundscape or two (Sea of Sound,Deep Sleep for Stephen)..


                                John, who actually likes Slow Buildings

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:15:04 -0800
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: For a goodtime call 1900-big-parts, 4-ad related)


Try Brant's stuff on Dewdrops.  It's all good.  Or My Bloody Valentine also.

On Sun, 17 Mar 1996, Scott, Mari & Brian wrote:

>     Ok, so I have some extra money and was wondering If anyine could
> recommend some CDs for me. I kinda like the dark, depressing, pop
> thing. Such as Lush's "Gala", "Spooky", and "Love at First Sight" ,
> Pale Saints' "In ribbons", and Cathrene Wheel's "Black Metallic"(SP?)
> I like Pizzicato Five too.
>
> I have some other people's recomendations:
> Spoonfed Hybred
> Pale Saints "In the Comforts of Madness"
>
> Please, I've got $400 to blow on crap!
>
>
> Some Lush questions before I go:
> 1.) What is the LED. Spooky digi-pack?
>
> 2.) What are the other six songs on the Japaneese release of the
>     "Lovelife" double CD?
>
> 3.) Where can I find the "For Love" cd single?
>
>                                         Brian
>

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:24:00 -0800
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: 4AD box set..

THe Dead Can Dance Box was a U.S. Promo only box set of their first five
CD's.(Self-titled through Aion)itled through Aion)

On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, Emiel Efdee wrote:

> >Dead Can Dance Box?
> >Dead Can Dance TTW video/CD?
>
>
> Wait... what's the difference? (I've got the last one)
>
>
> Emiel Efdee
> ...
> the Netherlands, March 18, 1996
> ... efdee@luna.nl
>

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:56:12 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints (was Re: RHP album info)


The Comforts of Madness (imho) is the quitisential 4AD release ever. Or
if not definately the best album released that year! Its a slippery
little epic that will take you to the strangest dark corners of your mind
only to make you do a little dance and sing a happy little pop song once
you get there... its just f*#@ing brilliant.
In Ribbons, is good but lacks the quality of COM that sweeps you along
into its swirling bliss... or maybe its just because they put actual
breaks in between songs... i dont know if its more of a 'rock ' album,
the lead track does rock a bit, but the other trtacks more or less hover
(although ordeal kinda has a sprained ankle and limps along dragging a
bad leg until that one part... oh im getting carried away)
Comforst of Madness is must have... theres no two ways about it.

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:20:33 -0800
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: miss/mister internet competition


Hey buddy, fuck off and get off this group.  I hope nobody answers your
little scheme.  Next thing we know we'll have a bunch of random,
unimportant ads/flyers/infomercial stuff flooding our mailboxes.  To all
4AD-L group members, don't give these dimwits your or anyone else's email
address.  They're just looking for addresses to "mail" shit to.

On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, x246y wrote:

> Hi system chief,
> please be so kind and forward this message to all the users of your
> system. Your collegs and friends, even your boss, will be glad to
> get this information. Give all your users this excellent chance and
> forward this message also to other sysadmins you know.
> To do so you cannot lose.
> ---------------- separate here and forward the rest
> -------------------
>
>
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>                                     MISS INTERNET
>                                  MISTER INTERNET
>
>           TAKE PART ON MISS INTERNET AND
>          MISTER INTERNET COMPETITION '96
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------
> Everyboby over 16 years around the globe can be a candidate for that
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> and short information about yourself (see description below).
> In december '96 the awards are given to candidates (male and
> female) with the most contacts on his/her individual file.
> A program will count each open made on the file. The highest
> counter wins. These method is a real fair chance to all
> participants.
> Winner's name and picture will be given to press, radio- and tv-
> stations so they have an excellent publicity.
> In addition everbody who takes part has the great advantage
> to make the acquaintance of interesting and beautiful people.
> Because to each candidate's picture is a link to his/her special
> data.
> Beside the possibility to e-mail each participant, to talk with your
> favorite candidate using chat is another nice feature.
>
> What you have to do:
> Create a .gif file using a scanner (or like) to bring your portrait
> (face picture) in a digital form. It must be black and white and
> smaller than 5kb. You can also use a body picture (not naked, this
> will be deleted), also black and white and smaller than 15kb.
> Create a .txt file using a very simple text editor and add text like
> this:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------
> name first/last :
> age :
> size/weight :
> home : you don't need to specify your exact location (nearby is ok)
> profession :
> interests :
> e-mail-address : must be your true e-mail-address
> home page : your absolute home page URL (if you have and if you
> want)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------
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> participate. You click on your favorite candidate's picture and
> by the way increase its counter. But you get also his/her e-mail
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> maybe this is the beginning of an exciting partnership or more!
> Singles, Models, Dressmen on one site and photographers, art
> directors and producers on the other site should recognize this
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> Being candidate you have these additional advantages:
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> - You handout your business card to be recognized as a real
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>
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> If you have excellent internet knowledge point it out as interest
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> Don't miss the chance of joining such a wonderful competition
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>

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:56:53 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Saintly and Pale


>  Comforts of Madness is a lot more tuneful and energetic than In Ribbons,

How strange it is when people come to exact opposite
opinions on things. To me, In Ribbons has always been far more
essential than Comforts of Madness, because it's a lot more
tuneful and energetic (witness Throwing Back The Apple, Ordeal,
Featherframe, Hunted...). CoM never really came together for me,
and I've never particularly loved Sea Of Sound or Deep Sleep
For Stephen. Also, Sight Of You... yuk. The first three on In Ribbons
are brilliant, IMHO, especially Ordeal with its odd timing
(can anyone explain what sort of timing this is? as in 4/4 or
whatever), and the glockenspiel toward the end. I do think
CoM is a good album, but In Ribbons always moves me more deeply.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 19:23:31 -0600
From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Re: Is Treasure best? -Reply -Reply


Another message from my net-less friend.  :)
  It seems he is responding to our friend, Pepe's reply!   Dig that one out
if you still have it.
>
>Well, it looks like I agree on the EP's, except I thought 'Spangle Maker'
>was a B-side to the Pearly-Dewdrops' Drops 12 inch.  Is there a
>separate EP that I don't know about?
>
>With LP's, we must be from different planets.  It's all about the emotions
>the music makes you feel.  Of course this is personal and subjective (I
>respect your opinion and I also like Treasure a great deal), but I don't
>understand how you can compare the lethargic, whispery style of
>Treasure with the elation evoked by Liz on Carolyn's Fingers or A Kissed
>Out Red Floatboat (or even Ella Megalast Burls Forever).  Also, I like the
>layered guitar sound on BBK a lot more than the acoustic-sounding
>Treasure.
>
>Scott
>
>

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 19:43:03 -0600
From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: be still


hey
if u want to hear it, go to my page....i have it on there as iwave form.
if u dont have the iwave player u can link to it at my page....

then follow the iwavelink....thanks

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=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=
=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3
"You are the sweetness in my eyes         You are an apple in disguise
 You are the sweetness i need for life    You are the sweetness in my eyes"
                                      =20

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 21:32:03 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Saintly Ordeals


Most of Ordeal is in 5/4. However there is that weird transitional part
that sounds like the rest of the song wants to move on but part of it is
really stubborn and dragging behind.... that part isnt 5/4....
as far as i can tell its two measures of 3/4, one 2/4, two 3/4, one 2/4
etc...
its kinda weird, but then again its pale saints. the amazing thing is
that the song is so wonderfully organic while still being the oddest
rhythms combos possible. You can actaully enjkoy the song without
noticing all that mess!