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Subject: Wim Wenders (was Re: Baraka)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 23:04:14 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: 23 revisited
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 22:17:49 -0700
From: "E. L. Cable" (ecable@ACS.UCALGARY.CA)
Subject: Re: HNIA soil samples
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 23:18:58 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Cranes interview disc
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 23:26:14 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: MBV news (fwd)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 23:22:46 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Otherness (Was: Re: Milk And Kisses)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 14:44:00 GMT
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Tarantula
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 10:20:10 -0500
From: jesus el pifco (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Tarantula
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:43:44 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: MBV news (fwd)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 14:58:12 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: Re: Wim Wenders
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 14:34:38 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Lovelife, Underworld etc
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 17:30:57 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: RHP album info
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 09:52:20 +1000
From: Geoff Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: RHP album info
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:20:23 -0500
From: Drarg (drarg@M21.SAIL.LEON.K12.FL.US)
Subject: Re: RHP album info
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 16:15:39 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Pale Saints (was Re: RHP album info)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 20:49:32 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)

Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 23:04:14 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Wim Wenders (was Re: Baraka)


> PS What do people on this list think of "Until the End of the World"?  I liked
> it quite a bit...maybe a tad on the long side, though.  My favorite track is
> the Siberry/Lang song "Calling all Angels".

Personally, I liked the first half of the movie, which made for a pretty light-h
artedly
cosmopolitain chase flick.  The second half really dragged, I thought.

My personal fave Wenders flick has to be 'Wings of Desire,' having largely to do
with the
utterly great soundtrack and the bits with Nick Cave/Crime and the City Solution
playing.
'Paris, Texas' is also quite wonderful, especially for Ry Cooder's music, which 
as to be the
first bit of ambient blues guitar that I've witnessed (and there's a particular 
rive-thru
bank that I will never look at quite the same way since I've watched that movie)


ause of the
fact that I really liked them when I saw them play last year.  It's kinda like t
bought himself a time machine at Salvation Army (the same thrift shop where he g
t his PXL1000
camera for $5), travelled back 65 years or so with a coupla his friends, played 
 set at a
Socialist hootenany, and recorded the whole shebang on a wire recorder.  Althoug
 it's
supposed to sound like something that was originally recorded on an Edison wax c
linder, there
are some hints of Warren-isms subtly mixed into the music.  I won't mention deta
ls, but this
single is quite the oddball gem to be filed somewhere between the Carter Family 
nd Palace
Brothers.  Sweet, truly sweet, and beautiful.

Mouth by mouthwest,


hk
--
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"make a fist of my heart, make it strong..." - spoonfed hybrid

Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 22:17:49 -0700
From: "E. L. Cable" (ecable@ACS.UCALGARY.CA)
Subject: 23 revisited


Sorry to ask of this again but I can not remember the name of the law
that was discussed about the number 23.  I remember it started with a "d"
but that's all I can remember.  Could someone re-enlighten me and this
time I'll write it down.

Thanks!


X  Elaun L. Cable        x  Rm. 127 MacEwan Hall   x "My life suits    X
X  Spoken Word Director  x  University of Calgary  x  me very well..." X
X  CJSW 90.9 fm          x  Calgary, AB            x                   X
X                        x  T2N 4N1                x                   X
X      ecable@acs.ucalgary.ca    /    cable@freenet.calgary.ab.ca      X


Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 23:18:58 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA soil samples


> Great song that *does* sound somewhat like Mazzy Star.  Features Denise James
> on vocals.

Have they ever played Darling live?

MIke

Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 23:26:14 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Cranes interview disc


I had the luck (?) to locate one of those promo Cranes interview discs
from ~1991 or 1992 or whenever.  Anyone out there interested in buying
it - $20?  I don't actually own it right now though, and I don't really
want to - unless I can just listen to it once and pass it along.  Email me
if you're interested...

M ike  n9344881@cc.wwu.edu

Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 23:22:46 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: MBV news (fwd)


On Sat, 16 Mar 1996, Brett Boyd wrote:

> If this is the disc I think you're referring to, it's called "Offbeat" ala
> Red Hot & ____.  It's a single disc with quick time movies on it somewhere.

I've asked 4 different retailers about this release, and have had
absolutely *no* luck.  Could one of you fine fellows post relevent
information to aid in my search?  Label, numbers, country of issue (I'm
assuming US, but I was told something once that implied it was a UK
only release... unlikely...).  Please, and thanks very much.

Mike


Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 14:44:00 GMT
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Otherness (Was: Re: Milk And Kisses)


> Milk and Kisses is nothing at all like Otherness. The
> closest comparison would be to Heaven Or Las Vegas, with
> not as many good songs. In the scheme of things, this
> is how I'd rate it:

Well, I think we might want to stress again that Otherness was
"re-cycled" by Mark Clifford of Seefeel - and thereby sounds more like
Seefeel than Cocteau Twins. As a Seefeel "fan" I find Otherness
excellent - better than most Cocteau Twins releases. It's not really
surprising that a few Cocteau fans were disappointed by Otherness - as
Cocteau Twins probably had next to zero influence over the final
product, whereas Mark Clifford certainly had...

Cheers,

--
Jon Kvebaek    http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceejok

Teleport and exteriorization equipment can be constructed by any boy
mechanic in his basement workshop. References are 'Collected Works of
Willam Reich', 'Journeys Out of the Body' by Robert A. Monroe.
                             - William S. Burroughs, "Port of Saints"

Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 10:20:10 -0500
From: jesus el pifco (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Tarantula


e wrote:

>You
>must find this album and listen to it for as long as you can, because
>there are few experiences like it, and I am not kidding around when I
>tell you I suspect they actually set out to make the most disgusting
>music possible.

What I've heard is a strong indication that none of the band members wanted
to do this but somehow felt like they had to (contractual obligation?). It
really sounds like they've just tried to humour each other by working on the
songs together when in fact they probably couldn't stand to be in the same
room together. On the other hand, it probably didn't seem important to do a
good job on this, since the band was about to break up anyway. You can
*hear* their indifference in the way they play. I'm just glad I didn't buy it.


Larry


Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 11:43:44 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Tarantula


if you read a few interviews, the album was finished before the break up
was immanent. I agree that most of the ideas that dont work on this album
are probably Andy pushing the band in  his own direction (an unfortunate
thing true), but I dont hear apathy dripping from every chord.
Its amazing how many nay sayers crawl out of the woodwork whenever a band
changes its style! I guess I'll just have to keep listening to nowhere
over and over and over and over and over and over and over.


Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 14:58:12 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: Re: MBV news (fwd)


No offense, but both of the "MBV" tracks on the _Offbeat_ comp are
absolute trash.  Some of you speak as if you were on the verge of orgasm
hearing Mr. Eitzel talk over a slight bit of guitar, or upon hearing the
complete ambient non-soundscape of Skylab's remixing of Kevin Shields'
short short short guitar loop.  Neither track resembles ANY mbv I've ever
heard.  Save your money and buy the Wire tribute.

Yes, _Whore_ is quite worth the cash.  And the MBV track, "Map Ref" ...
is quite excellent AND ACTUALLY SOUNDS LIKE MY BLOODY VALENTINE.  Really,
since when has MBV been an ambient band?  Since never.  MBV has vocals,
has drums, has a rhythm etc.

Again, buy _Whore_ for MBV.  Buy _Offbeat_ for explicit digital clips and
for a good cause (but not for MBV-it just ain't there).

And for the fellow wanting to know more about _Offbeat_ it's put out by
TVT Records in New York, in colloboration with Red Hot.

enjoy
jason eugene


Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 14:34:38 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Wim Wenders


>My personal fave Wenders flick has to be 'Wings of Desire,' having largely
to do with the
>utterly great soundtrack and the bits with Nick Cave/Crime and the City
Solution playing.
>

As far as I know, Wings of Desire is the 'first part' to Faraway, So Close!
(which is an excellent movie, by the way).
The trouble of living in Mexico, is that I can=B4t get neither the picture=
 nor
a review of it. Can you give me a brief description of what is it about (all
i know is that is about some of the angels on FSC).

Thanks!
Pepe=20

'The Picture you see, is no portrait of me...'
                                     NewOrder


Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 17:30:57 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Lovelife, Underworld etc


Hi all

Got Lovelife this weekend. Played it with some trepidation, and actually I do
quite like it. I'll play it more than Spooky for sure. Even Single Girl doesn't
sound so bad in the context of the LP. So they've gone and made a straight pop
LP. That's not a crime.

Second Toughest In The Infants is finally out. So often when expectations are as
high as mine were for this album, you get shot to pieces. But STITI is a totally
fucking awesome experience. Eight tracks, 73 minutes, and it seems to go by like
an ep. Juanita is epic techno, Banstyle 4Hero-style drum 'n' bass, Rowla a
techno anthem, Blueski a rough looped guitar blues, and Stagger a staggering
ballad - almost as good as Dirty Epic, but far darker in tone. And while Dubno..
etc had a few weak moments (like River of Bass), there are none here. A true
classic.

Stereolab's 'Emperor Tomato Ketchup' is also good - but I've only played it
once. It's difficult to prise the Underworld CD from my player.

 - Dez

Current listening -
Underworld - Second Toughest In The Infants (Junior Boys Own)
Spooky - Clank (Generic ep)
Spooky - Shunt (Generic ep)
LFO - Advance (Warp)
Labradford - Prazision (Flying Nun)
Marta Sebestyen - Kismet (Hannibal)
Tori Amos - Talula (BT mixes) (East West ep)
Lush - Lovelife (4AD)
DJ Shadow - Entropy (Sole Sides 12")
Spring Heel Jack - Oceola (Rough Trade ep)


Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 09:52:20 +1000
From: Geoff Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: RHP album info


G'day,

A while ago I posted a request for some info on RHP's "Ocean Beach". I
received many helpful replies, which convinced me to place an order for
the CD. I recieved it yesterday, and yes, 'tis indeed fab.

Anyway, I would like to indulge the good folk of the list once more, if I
may. I have a taste for Red House Painters now, but I can only get the
CD's by order, so I can't listen to them first before I buy them. So, if
anyone in 4AD-land can describe/review the following RHP cd's, I would be
eternally grateful:

  "Down Colorful Hill"
  "Bridge" (ie, 2nd self-titled cd, with bridge on the cover)

I already have "Ocean Beach" & the one with the rollercoaster on the
cover, both of which I play constantly. I am a bit apprehensive about
"Down Colorful Hill" - I've heard that is essentially a demo, so I
just wonder about the sound quality, etc.

Also, how do Pale Saints sound? Someone told me that they have a similar
sound/style to RHP, but I haven't seen or heard any of their CD's over
here. What's the story?

Thanks x 1,000,000

Geoff.


Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 19:20:23 -0500
From: Drarg (drarg@M21.SAIL.LEON.K12.FL.US)
Subject: Re: RHP album info


On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, Geoff Elgey wrote:

> I already have "Ocean Beach" & the one with the rollercoaster on the
> cover, both of which I play constantly. I am a bit apprehensive about
> "Down Colorful Hill" - I've heard that is essentially a demo, so I
> just wonder about the sound quality, etc.

Um, if you like what you have from the RHP you will definatly enjoy Down
Colorful Hill.....I consider it to be THE rhp album....the sound quality
is just dandy and the material is perfect...it doesn't sound like much of
a demo to me


Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 16:15:39 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP album info


Geoff wrote:
>> A while ago I posted a request for some info on RHP's "Ocean Beach". I
received many helpful replies, which convinced me to place an order for
the CD. I recieved it yesterday, and yes, 'tis indeed fab.

Anyway, I would like to indulge the good folk of the list once more, if I
may. I have a taste for Red House Painters now, but I can only get the
CD's by order, so I can't listen to them first before I buy them. So, if
anyone in 4AD-land can describe/review the following RHP cd's, I would be
eternally grateful:

  "Down Colorful Hill"
  "Bridge" (ie, 2nd self-titled cd, with bridge on the cover)

I already have "Ocean Beach" & the one with the rollercoaster on the
cover, both of which I play constantly. I am a bit apprehensive about
"Down Colorful Hill" - I've heard that is essentially a demo, so I
just wonder about the sound quality, etc. <<

        Con mucho gusto.
        "Down Colorful Hill" does indeed sound demo-y and a bit rough around
the edges compared with the later stuff, but this is mostly a factor of
the performance; not the recording itself, which is kind of
hollow-sounding but otherwise fine. Many people consider this one a
masterpiece, although I've always considered it my least favorite RHP
album, and I'm not sure why. Do, by all means, get it though. It just
seems a little incomplete and forced to me.
        The 'bridge' one is basically an extension of the 'rollercoaster'
one; stuff they recorded during the same sessions but didn't put on the
former. Actually, I consider these two together to be a two-volume
triple-album, since they have the same eponymous title. It does have a
noticeable lack of original material, though; of its eight tracks, two
are covers and one is an alternate version of "New Jersey" from the
'rollercoaster' one. All the songs, however, are excellent. My favorite
one on this is probably "Helicopter", a breathtaking, soaring, and
archetypically Red House Painters-esque song.


Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 20:49:32 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Pale Saints (was Re: RHP album info)


Geoff Elgey wrote:
> Also, how do Pale Saints sound? Someone told me that they have a similar
> sound/style to RHP, but I haven't seen or heard any of their CD's over
> here. What's the story?

How do Pale Saints sound?  In short, from totally sublime ('The Comforts of Madn
ss') to depressingly
pedestrian ('Slow Buildings').  I think they have more in similar to early Lush,
Ride, and Boo Radleys
(with nods to Syd Barrett, at least at the outset) than with Red House Painters.
 If you had to
pigeonhole them somewhere, I suppose you could go with the "shoegazer" tag, alth
ugh the songs tend to be
structurally more complex than your typical dreampop tune (to the point where th
re's an appreciable
prog-rock influence showing through).

Everything that the band has released since the departure of lead throat/bassist
Ian Masters has been...
well, they bore me now.  Thoroughly.

'In Ribbons' could be a good place to start, as it is more of a "rock" album, al
eit with its share of
good quirks.  'The Comforts of Madness' is my personal favorite.  I'd actually r
commend both these
discs, at least if your budget allows such overindulgence.  :)

Cheers,


hk
--
hk@neosoft.com and farrago@delphi.com or http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/
"make a fist of my heart, make it strong..." - spoonfed hybrid