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Subject: Re: Blockbusted
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:47:20 -0500
From: Deanna Phillips (dp@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Re: Cindytalk-- huh?
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 20:02:20 GMT
From: Lord Purge (scottyt@UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cheap 4AD CDs (UK only, alas)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 18:47:00 +0000
From: "Roger Brewster (Wedge)" (bu6010@WLV.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Cheap 4AD CDs (UK only, alas)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:05:13 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: promo values/Shox/Scheer
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 22:37:52 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: List of 4AD out-of-print stuff
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 07:26:50 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Blockbusted
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:33:15 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Blockbusted
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:01:48 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: a leetle cd sale (not all thislisty stuff but here goes it)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 07:06:44 -0800
From: David Stack (dstack@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Cheap 4AD CDs (UK only, alas)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:43:50 +0000
From: mbdtssv (mbdtssv@AFS.MCC.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Milk And Kisses
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 00:30:53 -0600
From: Stratton Davis (stratt@E-TEX.COM)
Subject: Sedanta-R.O.C.
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 01:07:35 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: New Underground Lovers single
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:27:58 +1000
From: Geoff Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: WANTED ITEMS
Date: Thursday, March 14, 1996 2:03PM
From: 4ad recording artists list
Subject: Re: Milk And Kisses
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:18:17 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Sedanta-R.O.C.
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:17:16 +0000
From: mbdtssv (mbdtssv@AFS.MCC.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: windy and carl
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:53:00 -0500
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: CD sale REPLIES
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:23:51 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: 4AD CDs...
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:10:58 -0800
From: "Jon Jorstad (PRO)" (a-jonj@MICROSOFT.COM)
Subject: Tortoise, Stereolab etc
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:14:25 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: boo! (Re: a few things)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:58:05 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of this band: "bluetile lounge"?
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:23:14 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:47:20 -0500
From: Deanna Phillips (dp@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Re: Blockbusted


> I am _stunned_ that they won't carry Henry & June!!!! This is so _blatantly_
> xenophobe-political; H&J is incredibly tame compared to a plethora of --
> apparently Bb-approved -- movies out there, the difference being that there
> is a bi-sexual relationship. Just had to vent my reaction here. My boycott
> is signed, sealed, delivered (not that I have to change anything to do
> that)...


Please do not get me started on the bookstores and libraries that *still*
(it is 1996!) will not carry Henry Miller's novels! Books, even!

This is truly a dark age.


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 20:02:20 GMT
From: Lord Purge (scottyt@UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cindytalk-- huh?


Dewdrops Records  writes:

>Last night featured the Cindytalk show in Corona, CA,
>an hour or so from Los Angeles "out in the middle of
>nowhere." I have come to the conclusion that I just don't
>have the gene that clues me in to why on Earth this band
>is so great. I have never understood this cult following that
>Cindytalk seems to have,

I imagine that many of the bands discussed on this list could
be considered cult groups by others and yet that isn't strange.
Cindytalk  have a bunch of fans like most any other band...
And they aren't even discussed here that much....

>having heard both parts of
>In This World and a bit of Wappinschaw and being
>completely unimpressed,

Not every ear need like their sound, but weren't you impressed
at all by th breadth of the vocals and music on these albums? And
can you name another band that covers the same territory in a
similar fashion? These two things, at least by me, are pretty
admirable.  Something along the point I'm trying to make...
I respect Controlled Bleeding's range of material, though some of
it truly annoys me... same goes for tuxedomoon..

>there's nothing for me. I'm sure I'll probably unintentionally
>annoy some people here, but to me last night's show was
>definitely the worst I have ever been to. Starting off
>with "The First Time Ever..." was nice, with Gordon in his
>cute little red dress, and even the piercing blasts of noise
>that immediately followed were cool,

I thought the noise of "muster" was more cool in it's contrast
to the soft moments, whereas the "noise" of later songs was a bit
more interesting in itself (ex. the bowed bass and cymbal)

>but after that it never,
>ever let up from a long, hard grind of gothic-industrial
>dirges, almost completely lacking in any sort of melody.

Everyone's stereotypes/labels vary and I'd just like to include some
other views of the evening, rather than leaving you all with
just brant's.  Mine: The first three acts were goth goth goth,
but cindytalk, IMO, were barely so if at all... I feared that many of
the goths in the audience that had come for the other bands but stayed
to check out Cindytalk wouldn't be able to get into them.  As for
industrial, a few moments were there, but it hardly typified the night.
Its not easy for me categorize them. I think they're sort of in the grey
realm that bands like the Swans occupy.... How would you classify the
Swans? Anyway, as for cindytalk.... I felt they had a lot of that
college-experimental feel... that song with the lyrics about
"sweet baby" or "beautiful baby" (it's faint now in my head) amidst
onslaughts of noise and quiter passages.... if it had just gone back into
the chorus once more at the end... I think i could have even been
catchy in a mutilated sort of pop way.

My girlfriend when I mentioned your "gothic/industrial" categorization
disagreed and said it was more noise & techno....

Sooo to everyone... the views range wildly.... go and make your own call...
I've been a fan of theirs for years and my girlfriend had barely heard them
before, and we both came away from the show thinking cindytalk
performed excellently.

>Which is probably fine if you're into this sort of thing;
>for me, however, it was unbearable and tedious.

Tedious for me, was watching Scenic (at the half-string, aberdeen(?), etc,
at eagle's show) limiting their obvious talent to a-b a-b song structures
when they had no vocals or reason to constrain themselves to a verse
chorus structure...
Okay so... that was petty of me, but I never could understand why they
did that.  They could be so good.... probably the cd  is.... hrmmmm....

-scotty















--
(I am able to apprehend it only in a series of snapshots, still lifes,
and fast takes of conversation, as it were, and when with heightened
concentration I try to move in closer, everything seems to move away
from me; perhaps I am somewhat overinvolved with this) (- B.Malzberg)


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 18:47:00 +0000
From: "Roger Brewster (Wedge)" (bu6010@WLV.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Cheap 4AD CDs (UK only, alas)


On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Andrew Norman wrote:

> HMV are having one of their "three for twenty quid" sales, only it's
> three for twenty-one quid this time.  ALL the big name 4AD albums are
> there - what looked like every album by the Cocteaus, Pixies, Muses,
> Belly (even "King"), Breeders, DCD, Wolfgang Press, Kristin Hersh,
> Lush, (didn't notice Pale Saints but I guess they are there), UVS.
> Does this mean 4AD is planning a mid-price reissue campaign, or are HMV
> selling these things for half their normal HMV price?  Bjork's "Post"
> was there, too, which suggests it hasn't exactly been selling well.

Hey up!

I only have one Throwing Muses album at the moment (University), but I
want to get a few more......seems like this HMV promo is the ideal
opportunity to do so.  Thing is, which albums should I get first?  Which
ones are the "more essential" additions to my collection (and don't say
all of them:))  Anyone's advice would be appreciated.

RoGeR

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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:05:13 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Cheap 4AD CDs (UK only, alas)

              "Roger Brewster" at Mar 14, 96 06:47:00 pm

"Roger Brewster (Wedge)"  wrote:
>
> I only have one Throwing Muses album at the moment (University), but I
> want to get a few more......seems like this HMV promo is the ideal
> opportunity to do so.  Thing is, which albums should I get first?  Which
> ones are the "more essential" additions to my collection (and don't say
> all of them:))  Anyone's advice would be appreciated.

All of them!  Seriously, the self-titled debut (greenish grey sleeve) or
"House Tornado" - the latter is very good value as it's (to my ears)
their best album *and* comes with "The Fat Skier", a mini-album, on the
same CD.  "Hunkpapa" is quite good, too, leave "The Real Ramona" and
"Red Heaven" till last.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 15/03/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Zappa - Hot Rats


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 22:37:52 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: promo values/Shox/Scheer


>How about, if someone could post a general history of the band Shox from the
>days of Axis??  I picked up the 45 a few weeks back for about $10 if memory
>serves... and haven't listened to it yet.  One of the guys on the (back)
>cover looks familiar...as does his name...John Pethers.  Anyone???
>
>On another note, someone else mentioned Scheers second e.p. "Shea' " was so
>much better than "Schism".  Whoever you are... you were right.  To anyone
who
>gave up after Schism, give 'em a second try.  And what is with this band
>naming everything beginning with "Sch" anyway???  ah the mysteries of 4AD
>never cease

Scheer is just Shox under a different name.
Schomewhere along the grand scheme of things they replaced the three original
members and added the schervices of another.
I don't know...maybe it's me, but I always thought Shox was kind of
schitty...however, the recent incarnation of Scheer schows potential with
"Shea".  Though they're definitely not Schwallow IMO.  I'm schure you schee
my point.

jaschon

schrilank@aol.com


Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 07:26:50 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: List of 4AD out-of-print stuff


On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Lab User wrote:

> Does anyone have a list of all the records 4AD isn't printing these
> days??  Is the Cocteau's "Pink Opaque" still really saught after?  I
> picked it up, brand-spankin' new today at Reckless.  If anyone wants to
> trade or buy, e-mail me...


 I believe that 'The Pink Opaque' is distributed in the usa by
Relativity, and that an old licensing agreement keeps 4AD-US from being
able to print it.  Either that, or Capitol/Fontana has exclusive rights
to the cox back catalogue.  In any case, I posess a
Relativity-distributed copy of that disc, and the quality of the paper,
printing, imaging etc... is far inferior to the original 4AD release my
buddy was lucky enough to buy back in the day...

but i think capitol's other cocteau twins reissues suffer from similarly
shoddy materials.  with the exception, of course, of the two digipack
ep's released over the past few months.

P.S. I've been OD-ing on milk and kisses. cant get enough of it.  if
anybody wants to trade a live cocteaus tape, or similar thislisty stuff
for a cassette copy of M&K, email me privately.  its definately worth the
small hassel at the postoffice!

cheers,
dan


Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:33:15 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Blockbusted


>> I am _stunned_ that they won't carry Henry & June!!!! This is so _blatantly_
>> xenophobe-political; H&J is incredibly tame compared to a plethora of --
>> apparently Bb-approved -- movies out there, the difference being that there
>> is a bi-sexual relationship. Just had to vent my reaction here. My boycott
>> is signed, sealed, delivered (not that I have to change anything to do
>> that)...

It's not the bisexuality. They didn't carry Henry & June because it
was the first film to be rated NC-17 (US rating that means no one
under seventeen admitted when shown in theatres. It was implemented
because studios would force directors to edit their films down to get
an R (no one under seventeen admitted without parent) rating, the only
other possibility being an X (pornographic). It was felt that by
placing another rating between R and X that more freedom might be
achieved. It hasn't worked.). I believe they still have a policy
against NC-17 (and certainly X) rated films. I'm sure you'll find some
gay-themed movies at Blockbuster, to the extent that big studios have
released gay-themed films (hardly at all). Remember that Blockbuster
is a bureaucracy and thus takes a bureaucratic approach to these
issues. They carry unrated foreign (non-US) films with far more
explicit sexual content than would pass R muster here.

Paul,
who is thankful Blockbuster has this policy since it provides a niche
for smaller video stores to survive: renting pornos.

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:01:48 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Blockbusted


 How can anybody stick up for a chainstore which, under pressure from
 the american family (read nazi) association, pulled one of my favorite
 films of all time from its shelves (The Last Temptation of Christ)?

 Do any of the apologist(s) for Blockbuster think that they would
 bow to the requests of gay rights groups and pull a hypothetical
 'R' rated flick from the shelves which those groups found offensive?
 Fact is, they are a corporation who couldnt give a shit about films
 or art. They wanna make money, and praise jesus whilst
 doing so. To the exclusion of many fine films. Suchas The Cook, The
 Theif, His Wife, And Her Lover, Temptation, H&J, etc...

 so support your local satanic artfilm lending library.

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 07:06:44 -0800
From: David Stack (dstack@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: a leetle cd sale (not all thislisty stuff but here goes it)

              "Roger Brewster" at Mar 14, 96 06:57:08 pm

>
> On Sat, 9 Mar 1996, Jennifer Jamieson wrote:
>
> > I am offering the following full-length cd's for sale at the prices listed
> > (postage not incl.)-
> >
> > Madder Rose- Panic On $6
>
> hey up, do u still have this one?  if so, could u give me a track
> listing, and also a price inc. postage to england?
>
I have this cd but I do not have the track listing right now.  I will
have to get back to you on that.  Shipping to england will be about $3
extra.  I'll check for sure later.  Also I only take US currency/US money
orders.  Will that be a problem?

 I'll talk to you soon.

 Dave

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:43:50 +0000
From: mbdtssv (mbdtssv@AFS.MCC.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Cheap 4AD CDs (UK only, alas)

              15, 96 09:05:13 am

>
> "Roger Brewster (Wedge)"  wrote:
> >
> > I only have one Throwing Muses album at the moment (University), but I
> > want to get a few more......seems like this HMV promo is the ideal
> > opportunity to do so.  Thing is, which albums should I get first?  Which
> > ones are the "more essential" additions to my collection (and don't say
> > all of them:))  Anyone's advice would be appreciated.
>
> All of them!  Seriously, the self-titled debut (greenish grey sleeve) or
> "House Tornado" - the latter is very good value as it's (to my ears)
> their best album *and* comes with "The Fat Skier", a mini-album, on the
> same CD.  "Hunkpapa" is quite good, too, leave "The Real Ramona" and
> "Red Heaven" till last.
>

I disagree-get The Real Ramona first. It's more sort of accesable(sp?) than
their early stuff and in my, probably uncool opinion, far better.
I'd also go for Kristin Hersh's solo album which is entirely acoustic. This
is also IMO better than a lot of the Muses' output, but then I've got a
soft spot for acoustic guitars.
To give you some idea of what my opinion is worth, my favourite song on
University is 'That's All You Wanted'.

Hope that's some help,

Simon

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 00:30:53 -0600
From: Stratton Davis (stratt@E-TEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Milk And Kisses


>I'm very curious about this album. I'd like to solicit enough description,
>if possible, to let me know whether to go out & buy it or not. I'll try and
>make my question session concise (I'd be more articulate and eloquent, but I
>don't have much time to post right now):
>
>I was "raised on" early CT and absolutely loved them until Heaven Or Las
>Vegas, which I only liked. I don't like Four Calendar Cafe. I think
>Twinlights is OK. I _adore the hell out of_ Otherness. Possibly because Mark
>Clifford of Seefeel was involved, and I adore Seefeel.
>
>It M&K more abstract, a la Otherness (or Seefeel), or like HoLV/FCC/TL?
>

You probably just want to forget it being like 'old school' Cocteaus.  There
are some definite elements of early sounds on a couple of songs, but Milk
and Kisses is really more a blend of FCC/HoLV/BBK.  I think it is a stronger
lp overall than FCC, but not as good as HoLV(this is my personal favorite).
Maybe you should just get someone to tape it for you and listen for
yourself.  I think it is a good album....but then everyone has different
takes on things.


Stratton Davis

stratt@e-tex.com



>TORI SPELLING, actress best known for her role in Beverly Hills 90210,
>during an on-air radio interview with radio personality Howard Stern
>Howard Stern: "What is the capital of New York?"
>Tori Spelling: "...New Jersey?"


Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 01:07:35 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Sedanta-R.O.C.


<<<<

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:27:58 +1000
From: Geoff Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: New Underground Lovers single


G'day,

  Australian band "Underground Lovers" (who were once signed to Guernica,
a subsidiary of 4AD) have released a new single called "In My Head". It
is a racous, noisy tune, similar in tone to some of the stuff from their
first album "Leaves Me Blind". It is a major departure from the sound of
their last album, "Dream It Down" (which, IMHO, was the best Australian
release of 1994).

  The jury is still out on this new song -- I don't think it has the
sense of space and dynamics that the Undie's are capable of. Also,
keyboard player Phillipa has departed from the band, so who's going to
sing the fab tunes "Holiday", "I Was Right", etc, when they tour now?

  Anyawy, if anyone in 4AD-land remembers the Underground Lovers, that's
my $0.02 cents worth on the new stuff.

Cheers,

Geoff


Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:24:00 +0000
From: Nick Hill (NHill@MSMAIL.CSL.GPT.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: WANTED ITEMS


There are millions of people who aren't.

Nick
 ----------
From: 4ad recording artists list
Subject: Re: WANTED ITEMS

Date: Thursday, March 14, 1996 2:03PM In a message dated 96-03-14 06:51:38 EST, Nick Hill writes: >I am trying to track down copies of the following items: > >Various Artists-Nature Mortes-Still Lives LP (CAD117) who isn't???? -blubelknol@aol.com

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:18:17 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Milk And Kisses


Milk and Kisses is nothing at all like Otherness. The
closest comparison would be to Heaven Or Las Vegas, with
not as many good songs. In the scheme of things, this
is how I'd rate it:

Love's Easy Tears 11
Victorialand 11
Blue Bell Knoll 11
Heaven Or Las Vegas 10
Treasure 10
The Moon And The Melodies 10
Aikea Guinea 10
Tiny Dynamine / Echoes In A Shallow Bay 9
Bluebeard 9
Milk And Kisses 9
Twinlights 9
Head Over Heels / Sunburst and Snowblind 9
Pearly-Dewdrops' Drops 9
Otherness 8
Snow 8
Four Calendar Cafe 8
Evangeline 8
Peppermint Pig 7
Lullabies 7
Garlands 7

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:17:16 +0000
From: mbdtssv (mbdtssv@AFS.MCC.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Sedanta-R.O.C.

              Mar 15, 96 01:07:35 am

>
> <<<<
>      Does anyone know what's with this lable? I bought a sampler
> with "i want  you, i need you, i love you" by R.O.C and it is
> one of the rare songs that I play over and over. I have even
> gotten into Catchers and, er, the band that does "Healing Mission"
> since Iplay the daened thing so much. I need more music by this
> band. Where are they from?
>
>                    Cheers, Pat (who is playing that song on guitar)

Do you mean, by any chance, The Harvest Ministers? They used to be on Sarah
records and they are fab. I would recommend the 'Six O'clock Is Rosary' single
and the album on Sarah, 'Little Dark Mansion' if you can find them.
BTW I think they're from Ireland.

Simon

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:53:00 -0500
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: windy and carl


ah... windy and carl.
What a glorious band! :)

discog -
 "watersong/dragonfly" 7" (blueflea?) <-- I'd give the right hemisphere of my
brain for this!
 "instrumentals" 7" (burnthair 01)
 "emerald/fragments of time and space" 7" (enraptured uk 4501) <--300
repressed
 "left without air" 7"/split with Fuxa ("dreamlanding") (blueflea
04/mindexpansion 003)
 "portal" (blueflea - self released tape)
 "portal" CD (badabing! 004) - includes 3 tracks not on tape

Carl tells me that there's a new LP (ltd. to 600 - purple vinyl)/CD coming
out in early April, probably on Ba-da-Bing! - called "Drawing of Sound".
They've been touring a little more, playing shows with Archers of Loaf(?!) at
a sushi bar (the Archers called them a "killer ambient band!") and a making a
few radio appearances. They plan to head East in a few months.

I'd me more than delighted to supply more W&C information - just e-mail me.

...fans should try to find the Once Dreamt "Drifting" 12"(blueflea 005) -
it's Windy, Carl, Randall (from Fuxa), and a friend. Four long, resplendent,
and luscious pieces of proto-ambient tranquility. It's basically a precursor
to Windy & Carl - before Fuxa (Randall and Ryan Anderson - who came from the
brilliant Asha Vida) split off.

Fuxa are a peculiar band. They can be as breathlessly beautiful as W&C at
their finest (see "photon" from the essential "Free Your Soul" 7") - or
MOOGed out, admittedly pointless, sample-crazy weirdness ("some soviet
station" from "Mind Expansion, Vol. 1" 7"). They've also been known to make
Amon Duul II-esque percussive ambient-jazz (the title track of "Free Your
Soul") or shamelessly emulate the Spacemen3-axis of bands. See if you can
track down the rare "100 white envelopes/tokearian parade" 7" for a taste of
all four facets. If they would only ditch their overemphasis of the (ahem)
bong culture, they'd be a world-class project.

For more W&C-ish bliss, check out The Marilyn Decade(freek uk). I don't know
much about this duo, but they craft sublime and dreamy music that sometimes
strays a bit into 'Zep territory. Still excellent, though. Very 'pastoral',
for lack of a better word.


Anyone know if there has been/will be an Ectogram full-length?

rave of the day: Ken Ishii - Jelly Tones; and the Wagon Christ remix of
"Extra"


Now fill your day with a little Windy and a little Carl

Gil


Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:23:51 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: CD sale REPLIES

              15 Mar 1996 07:06:44 -0800

Please please please *don't* respond to the list for CD sales and personal
responses.

thanks,
cz

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:10:58 -0800
From: "Jon Jorstad (PRO)" (a-jonj@MICROSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Cheap 4AD CDs (UK only, alas)


I agree with Simon.  If you like University, you'll enjoy The Real
Ramona and Red Heaven more readily.  The earlier albums take a little
more time to appreciate.  Also, take note that House Tornado/Fat Skier
cd mentioned below is a UK-only release, so in the US you will pay a
premium.  Hunkpapa is also less of a favorite for me, but I really like
"Fall Down" and "Santa Claus."

I'm looking for the Fat Skier or Chains Changed EPs in original CD or
vinyl, if anyone knows of a source.

Hersh's Hips and Makers release is another favorite of mine, but it's
quiet and acoustic, quite a contrast to the Muses' hard rock.

Jon

>----------
>
>>
>> "Roger Brewster (Wedge)"  wrote:
>> >
>> > I only have one Throwing Muses album at the moment (University), but I
>> > want to get a few more......seems like this HMV promo is the ideal
>> > opportunity to do so.  Thing is, which albums should I get first?  Which
>> > ones are the "more essential" additions to my collection (and don't say
>> > all of them:))  Anyone's advice would be appreciated.
>>
>> All of them!  Seriously, the self-titled debut (greenish grey sleeve) or
>> "House Tornado" - the latter is very good value as it's (to my ears)
>> their best album *and* comes with "The Fat Skier", a mini-album, on the
>> same CD.  "Hunkpapa" is quite good, too, leave "The Real Ramona" and
>> "Red Heaven" till last.
>>
>
>I disagree-get The Real Ramona first. It's more sort of accesable(sp?)
>than
>their early stuff and in my, probably uncool opinion, far better.
>I'd also go for Kristin Hersh's solo album which is entirely acoustic.
>This
>is also IMO better than a lot of the Muses' output, but then I've got a
>soft spot for acoustic guitars.
>To give you some idea of what my opinion is worth, my favourite song on
>University is 'That's All You Wanted'.
>
>Hope that's some help,
>
>Simon
>


Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:14:25 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Tortoise, Stereolab etc


Hi all

Saw Tortoise on Tuesday night here in Manchester. Awesome stuff. On record, they
are consistently challenging and interesting, but perhaps a little 'polite'.
Live, they are something else entirely, creating an aural assault that mixes
Slint, avant-jazz, and Krautrock style drones. They don't say much, or smile at
all, but I was blown away. Headlining were Stereolab who I sometimes find a
little irritating. There is only so much you can do with two-chord drones before
it all starts to get a bit boring. And they despatched French Disko in under
three minutes, as if they couldn't wait to get it over with. The good news,
however, is that a lot of the new songs they played are altogether more
interesting, almost funky. So I'm quite looking forward to the new LP.

Last weekend, Goldie brought his Metalheadz show to town. After some cracking
sets from DJs Kemistry and Storm, the Metalheadz inevitably began with a
bruising, brilliantly epic Timeless / Inner City Life, before launching into an
amazing Saint Angel, one of the most thrilling five minutes of drum 'n' bass
there is. So the set continued in classic vein, before dipping when they
attempted some of the mellower tracks. Whilst fine on LP, they didn't really
work in the context of 2000 hyped-up junglists, and you could see people looking
mildly impatient. In the end, a triumph of sorts - especially the first 50 or so
minutes. I know jungle is not very 'this-listy', but perhaps Ivo should get his
ass back to the UK to see what's happening over here. He's missing out on really
exciting times. And anyway, I'd love to hear a DJ Crystl or Alex Reece remix of
Mania or Bea - that would be something else.

 - Dez

Current listening -
LFO - Advance (Warp)
DJ Krush - Meiso (DJ Shadow mixes) (Mo Wax)
Roc - Roc (Setanta)
Labradford - Prazision (Flying Nun)
Marta Sebestyen - Kismet (Hannibal)
Rachel's - Music For Egon Schiele
Twig Bud - Harry's Law (Mo Wax)
Underworld - Dubnobasswithmyheadman (Junior Boy's Own)
Grifters - Ain't My Lookout (Sub Pop)
Spooky - Shunt ep (Generic)


Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:58:05 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: boo! (Re: a few things)


You wrote:
>
>>   first off...someone recommend me some boo
>>   radleys...there are four different cds sitting at
>>   waterloo in austin and i want to know more.
>
>Um, i've got one recommendation:  DON'T get "Wake Up!", at least NOT
if you're
>from the US because we yanks just don't get the sense of Sarcasm or
was it Irony
>...um ... i'm not sure just what it was that Brittish listies said we
didn't
>have when we trashed the album but we just don't have what it takes to
enjoy the
>album.  So i recommend getting Giant Steps instead.
>
>-cz ...it's Rorschach and Prozac and everything's groovy...
>
well, me a yank and i say buy WAKE UP.  very cheeky and a great
ensemblage of tunes.  bee - u- tee - full...an aural treat.

nuff said, cheeers euthelene


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:23:14 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of this band: "bluetile lounge"?


First off, hats off to Geoff for aiming my credit card towards another hit
to the pocketbook!  :)

>  The sound on the CD is not very good - and the vocals are pretty well
>submerged in the mix. The interesting thing is that the CD is distributed
>in the States by Summershine, which is subsidiary of Subpop (I think). I
>don't know of any other Australian bands with this kind of distribution,
>especially one that doesn't play the kind of Seattle grunge normally
>associated with Subpop (IMHO).

I'm not sure exactly how this all happened, but the fellow who runs
Summershine is presently working at SubPop doing somethingelseoranother and
is running the label outta the picturesque Washington state.  While I'm not
all that terribly familiar with the Summershine roster, they/he did release
the ultra-fabulous album by the Steinbecks (which should be released
Stateside soon) which could easily qualify as one of the greatest
featherweight-indiepop albums of this decade thus far (translation: also
lightyears from planet grunge).

I dunno, I mean, what sort of grunge is left on SubPop now?  The Eric
Matthews album owes more to Arthur Lee, Brian Wilson, and George Martin than
to Blue Cheer, Green River, or Black Sabbath.  Velocity Girl, while they
seem to have completely ditched the dreampop thing, are very pop and perky,
and the Spinanes aren't so very grungy either.

Okay, enough meandering.  Saw the new Lush album in the racks of the local
record shop (nice cacti), along with the new/final Ride album, but I think
I'll wait until I find either/both supercheap in either the used or the
cut-out bins.  Sigh.  I remember at one time I used to pick up new releases
by both bands without even a slight hesitation.

Instead ended up getting the latest Magnetic Fields album ('Get Lost') which
is nothing short of pure and absolute pop brilliance.  Somebody slap me or
something, but I swear Mr. Merritt is sounding his crooningest best on this
disc.  Highly recommended.


hk
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