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Subject: Re: blockheadbuster. the tumor.
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 23:22:04 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Alternative French Music
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 22:28:21 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: "It's naht ah toomah."
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 22:51:53 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD Video
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:19:12 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: ah consumerism...
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 02:30:03 -0500
From: Just A Glass of Milk Please (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: blockheadbuster. the tumor.
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 12:17:16 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: boo! (Re: a few things)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 02:40:50 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: WANTED ITEMS
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:43:00 +0000
From: Nick Hill (NHill@MSMAIL.CSL.GPT.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: WANTED ITEMS
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 07:42:33 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Alternative French Music
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:51:37 -0400
From: Scott Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: Re: WANTED ITEMS
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:45:13 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: the girl who started the blockbuster discussion posts something
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 07:45:51 -0600
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer! (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:38:03 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Neato Cocteaus Web Article
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:38:10 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: the girl who started the blockbuster discussion posts
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:33:30 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: promos
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:21:11 EDT
From: Ned Norland (nnorland@WALNUT.PRS.K12.NJ.US)
Subject: Re: boo! (Re: a few things)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:14:56 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: French Pop
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:23:55 EST
From: mattn@MIT.EDU
Subject: Some Cocteau Rumors... List?? where??
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:31:21 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: RUTKOWSKIS
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:55:53 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Alainis Morriset
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:32:00 EST
From: "B. Johnson" (76322.3516@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: DCD Vid
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:32:04 EST
From: "B. Johnson" (76322.3516@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: DCD Video
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:32:02 EST
From: "B. Johnson" (76322.3516@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: promos
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:42:55 -0500
From: Anthony Monahan (anthonym@MAGNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Some Cocteau Rumors... List?? where??
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:35:40 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: RUTKOWSKIS
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:23:53 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: more trainspotting
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:16:33 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: erroneous orphan
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:49:33 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: the girl who started the blockbuster discussion posts
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 16:03:29 +0000
From: mbdtssv (mbdtssv@AFS.MCC.AC.UK)
Subject: Rustkowski's
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 16:03:07 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: a leetle cd sale (not all thislisty stuff but here goes it)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 18:57:08 +0000
From: "Roger Brewster (Wedge)" (bu6010@WLV.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: the girl who started the blockbuster discussion
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:08:24 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: FISHER-PRICE CAMERA
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 16:29:54 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: anuddah hnia web page in the making
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:47:21 -0800
From: ESP Sunshine (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: List of 4AD out-of-print stuff
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 19:17:03 -0800
From: Lab User (labuser@DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Alternative French Music
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 20:37:53 -0500
From: jesus el pifco (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: windy and carl
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 19:15:04 -0800
From: Lab User (labuser@DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Anyone heard of this band: "bluetile lounge"?
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:09:26 +1000
From: Geoff Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: Milk And Kisses
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:54:00 PST
From: "Heileson, Thomas" (heilts1@MPE11.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Re: RUTKOWSKIS
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:36:52 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Blockbusted
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 17:04:00 PST
From: "Heileson, Thomas" (heilts1@MPE11.GHC.ORG)

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 23:22:04 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: blockheadbuster. the tumor.


what happens? you move for someplace that hasn't sold out completely to
the man and still has some cultrue that respects small time and
independant business... like maybe a BIG city.


Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 22:28:21 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Alternative French Music


>>Does anyone out there in cyberland know of some really good french
>>alternative rock music....besides Stereolab?
>
>There's a band on Merge called the Magnetic Fields..whether or not they're
>actually from France or just replaced themselves in the States, they seem=
 to
>have a bit of influence fran=E7aise. Quickly describing their sound, the=
 band
>mixes pop synthesizer beats with deep vocals, and leaves you feeling a bit
>hollow and haunted. Neato.

Somebody correct me on the exact location, but I think Stephin Merritt
(morose genius who *is* the Magnetic Fields) hails from Boston or somewhere
in the New England area.  I think he currently resides in New York, and he's
about as American as Jon Bon Jovi.  :)  Sorry, that's a bad example, but
then so is John Mellencamp (whose backing band at one time featured our
favorite geek girl, Lisa Germano - requisite 4AD mention).

Anyway, less trainspotting and more speculation, but I think the Magnetic
Fields sound has more to do with folks like Orchestral Manoevres in the
Dark, Kraftwerk, Brian Wilson, and perhaps even touches of Patsy Cline and
Joy Division, than with any overt French pop influences, but that's based
entirely on my Anglo-American pop leanings.

There are at least five Magnetic Fields albums - 'Distant Plastic Trees' and
'The Wayward Bus' (both recently re-released Stateside on Merge), 'Holiday'
(on Feels Good All Over), 'Charm of the Highway Strip', and 'Get Lost' (both
on Merge).  And they are all quite excellent.  There are also a couple of 7"
singles on the Harriet label.  And then there's the sadly overlooked 6ths
album, which is a whole 'nother story in itself.

For more information, check out=
 http://www2.best.com/~scottz/magnetic.fields/

>Andrew Beaujon (note french name) is one in the
>band, he's done some solo stuff with TeenBeat (teenbeat is a 4ad band -
>on-topic!).

Andrew Beaujon, I think, was once a member of Eggs, in which Rob
Christiansen of Grenadine also did time.  TeenBeat is a record label, run by
Mark Robinson of Air Miami/Unrest/Grenadine fame.

Laters,


hk
--
hk@neosoft.com and farrago@delphi.com or http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/
"make a fist of my heart, make it strong..." - spoonfed hybrid


Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 22:51:53 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: "It's naht ah toomah."


>What is ironic and so indicative of their corporate mindlessness is that
>the backlashes they fear will occur if they rent videos Bob Dole would
>not approve of simply do not happen. We all remember the big deal they
>made of the fact they were not going to carry Last Temptation of Christ,
>and the filthy porno movie Henry & June. Thing is, none of the videos
>stores I know of who _did_ carry it were picketed, by anybody.

Perception is 99% of reality.  As long as the corporate masters behind
Blockbuster can convey to the public that they are keeping "filth" from
their rental shelves, they are establishing themselves as providers of
"good, healthy, family-oriented entertainment," and for those easily scared
sheep that comprise our unwashed mainstream masses, that's the sort of
reassurance that they crave (as long as they can find their fave Steven
Seagal flicks).  The bastards.

>Blockbuster clearly thinks they're more important than they are. Sadly,
>Hollywood is stupid enough to think so too.

Bollockbuster does surely have an overinflated self-image.  The fact that
they recently hosted a film and music awards ceremony says something about
the ridiculous amount of clout they (think that they) hold over the
entertainment industry.

Yet at the same time, about a year or so ago, the suits and Bollockbuster
and some other corporate monolith decided that they'd put together a
hardwired music distribution system that would completely bypass all the
middlemen between the labels and their stores by electronically transmitting
the contents of CDs and creating the discs on-demand on-site.  The major
distributors had a royal fit and put the whole thing on ice by promising
holy hell on Blockbuster Music.  So, the Corporate Ogre meets its match, but
it's sadly being checked by another Corporate Ogre.

And at the same time, we're also seeing a tumorous growth of megachains like
Borders Books, Planet Music, Inedible Universe, Best Buy, etc. that is
slowly consolidating sources of entertainment media - books, CD's, whatnot -
into that seemingly inevitable single-source implosion.  So where does that
leave the little guys, let alone the (wishfully) independent-minded consumer?...

Oh, never mind, this is starting to sound more like a chris-mcnet discussion....


hk
--
hk@neosoft.com and farrago@delphi.com or http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/
"make a fist of my heart, make it strong..." - spoonfed hybrid


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:19:12 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: DCD Video


>> Greetings.
>>
>> Seeking the "Toward the Within" video.
>>
>Where do you live? This still should be available on the video racks of
>most music stores.


Or at least at the 4AD Mail Order dept.


Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, March 14, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl


Is it true that Steve Forbes bought 4AD?


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 02:30:03 -0500
From: Just A Glass of Milk Please (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: ah consumerism...


someone wrote:
And at the same time, we're also seeing a tumorous growth of megachains like
Borders Books, Planet Music, Inedible Universe, Best Buy, etc. that is
slowly consolidating sources of entertainment media - books, CD's, whatnot -
into that seemingly inevitable single-source implosion.  So where does that
leave the little guys, let alone the (wishfully) independent-minded consumer?...
==========================================

It's tough living in this consumer oriented world.
If you really want to get pessimistic/depressed about this
corp.-overtaking of anything called "art" you should read
"Variations on a Theme Park" edited by Michael Sorkin.
It's a collection of essays about architecture and how
it separates us. A larger theme of the book, though, is
how American consumerism is permeating/feeding on every part
of the world. Instead of going to a mall in Princeton, NJ
that's the same as the one in Salt Lake City, Utah, you can go
to  one in Mexico City or Tokyo that are virtually the same.
Wherever you go, it's all the same. Cultural differences
are slowly disappearing world-wide via consumerism.
 We're all united by the brand of jeans we wear and soda we drink.
And as the poster above alluded to, we're getting all our "art" from
the same sources, which makes distribution of music/text/images
over the Net an exciting way for artists to get their work out there.

But then, what happens when we're ordering our
music and movies over broadband networks 5 to 10 years from now
that are owned by TCI, Time-Warner, Comcast etc.?
Black market video/cd manufacturing  will flourish! Yes!

You might want to check out Fringeware for some
cool, out of the way stuff: http://www.fringeware.com
Or the Whole Earth Review is cool too:

If the local Sam Goody just isn't cutting it,
and you're  thinking of trying ordering music online,
I've had good results with CDconnection (huge selection,
good prices, speedy delivery in the U.S.).
Telnet to cdconnection.com.
Thank goodness I didn't have net access in high school
or my paltry pay check from McHeartAttack would
have vanished in a flash and my mom and dad
would have been _really_ pissed!

Hey, I thought this was a music-related mailing list!

Cya,
-B
=====================================================
                                    Brendon Macaraeg
               http://www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~brendonm
   "It's true: a glass of milk does help you sleep better."

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 12:17:16 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: blockheadbuster. the tumor.


Eek, we had a big flamewar on the topic of Blockbuster a year or two ago.
At the time there was someone on the list from the Florida homeland of
Blockbuster who went to great lengths to defend it against all comers.

I don't think the debate really went anywhere, and it got really
tiresome. I'd hate to see it repeated...

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
             Dinosaurs early, dinosaurs later,
             Dinosaurs jammed in an elevator!   ________________________
                                                http://www.mooseyard.com

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 02:40:50 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: boo! (Re: a few things)

              Mar 1996 01:15:42 -0600

>   first off...someone recommend me some boo
>   radleys...there are four different cds sitting at
>   waterloo in austin and i want to know more.

Um, i've got one recommendation:  DON'T get "Wake Up!", at least NOT if you're
from the US because we yanks just don't get the sense of Sarcasm or was it Irony
...um ... i'm not sure just what it was that Brittish listies said we didn't
have when we trashed the album but we just don't have what it takes to enjoy the
album.  So i recommend getting Giant Steps instead.

-cz ...it's Rorschach and Prozac and everything's groovy...


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:43:00 +0000
From: Nick Hill (NHill@MSMAIL.CSL.GPT.CO.UK)
Subject: WANTED ITEMS


I am trying to track down copies of the following items:

Various Artists-Nature Mortes-Still Lives LP (CAD117)
Lush-Promo CDS (LUSH1)
Breeders-Grunge 7" Freebie with the Last Splash (BREED2)
Pixies-Monkey Gone To Heaven 7" (AD904)

If you have these for sale please send your selling price to me at
nhill@csl.gpt.co.uk and not the list.

Thanks

Nick Hill

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 07:42:33 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: WANTED ITEMS


In a message dated 96-03-14 06:51:38 EST, Nick Hill writes:

>I am trying to track down copies of the following items:
>
>Various Artists-Nature Mortes-Still Lives LP (CAD117)

who isn't????

-blubelknol@aol.com


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:51:37 -0400
From: Scott Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: Re: Alternative French Music


>There's a band on Merge called the Magnetic Fields..whether or not they're


the magnetic fields are a very cool band and i believe they are based in
the new york/boston region, although their drummer is currently attending
uc berkeley.  my band just opened for them last week in boston and they put
on an excellent show(minus the drummer and therefore minus the female
backing vocals).  i met sam the cello player and he was a very nice and
interesting person.  i didn't hold conversation with the other members, but
they were friendly and had a great sense of humor.

you should really check them out if they come to your town.  really
beautiful songs...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
scott anderson
big monster fish hook


                                      humgiant@user1.channel1.com
                                                sda201@sbra.com
                               http://www.channel1.com/users/humgiant

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:45:13 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: WANTED ITEMS


>Breeders-Grunge 7" Freebie with the Last Splash (BREED2)


The two tracks on this single can also be found on the Play It Again Sam
release of the 'Saints' cd single. (three tracks: Saints (remix), Grunggae
(early demo of cannonball) and New Year (demo).


Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, March 14, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 07:45:51 -0600
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer! (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: the girl who started the blockbuster discussion posts something

              thislisty :) ;b
              from "Joseph Burns" at Mar 13, 96 11:22:04 pm

Greetings...this one's not about Blockbuster.
Several  this mortal coil-related questions. Or at least a couple.
     Martin McGarrick's work includes: TMC, Siouxsie and the Banshees,
Indigo Girls,  and what else? I"m sure I"m missing something.
     The Rutowski Sisters. Someone mentioned other 'offerings' of
theirs about a year ago. My mail file had it for breafkast.
     The infant's voice on Baby Ray Baby.  I take it as a given that
it's a child of one of the many performers :)



        Any info? Thank you , then, in advance ;) ;b
     And freak freely while you still can ;)
.Kendal.         .or something.          .you know.       .that's it.

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:38:03 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE


>And for all of the self righteous, pompus, petty, worthless people in the
>world I send you a a heart felt "FUCK YOU!!!"   For your information I
>followed your damn instrunctions mabye you ar the ignorant one who cant
>express themselves enough that common people can understand the
>instructions.  So get of your fucking high horse and just do what was asked
>of you and get me and anyone else who askes off of this fucking worthless list.


So 'D' was a question... Yeah right.


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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:38:10 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Neato Cocteaus Web Article


>Nice article on 'twins and fontana relationship, marketing plan for
>milk and kisses, on the web at: http://www.dotmusic.com/MWtalenttwins.html


Thanks. And here it is... (without the nice picture)

-----------------------------------------

THE COCTEAU TWINS: Settling In With Fontana

The transition from independent to major label isn't always a smooth one.

The Cocteau Twins discovered as much when the trio - vocalist Elizabeth
Fraser, guitarist Robin Guthrie and bassist Simon Raymonde - left 4AD after
their sixth album, 1990's Heaven Or Las Vegas, and settled at Dave Bates'
Fontana imprint at Phonogram, where they released the Four Calendar Cafe
album in 1993.

Having just released two new EPs - the ambient-based Otherness and the
acoustic-based Twinlights - and with a new album, Milk And Kisses, ready
for release in January next year, the band can not only bask in artistic
contentment, but reflect on how the relationship with Fontana has improved
for both parties.

The reason the Cocteaus left 4AD, Fraser says, was that the relationship
had become too much like a family. "Everyone was super-sensitive, which
wasn't healthy," she says.

Part of the attraction of Fontana was that the band could take a more
distanced approach - "like, 'here's the record, let's put it out'," as
Raymonde puts it. But the reality of situation didn't quite match up to
expectations.

"Neither party really knew what to make of each other at first, which was
as much our fault as we're not very articulate about what we want," he
says.

For a band that has always been cult favourites on the indie circuit, the
transition to major label success has been a slow one. With each album, the
Cocteau Twins' lush, layered sounds have matured gracefully to the point
that their rich, delicate guitar and vocal-led songs now appeal to a wider
audience. But at the same time, hit singles have not come easy.

After touring with the Four Calendar Cafe album, the group were keen to get
back into the studio and get a new record out. Milk And Kisses was recorded
in Brittany and the band's own Spetember Sound Studios in Twickenham.

It took them little over two months to complete - an unusually short time
for such perfectionists.

As Dave Bates sees it, album sales are directly linked to singles success,
and he admits he signed The Cocteau Twins, not just because he adored their
music, but because he wanted to break the band beyond their established
circle of fans.

"With a little extra effort from a label and the band, we could move them
on to another level," he says. "But I understand there was a discomfort
between wanting to achieve more and the things needed to do that."

Both parties now agree that the channels of communication are more open.
For instance, Raymonde says Fontana has accepted the band's desire to
release two comparatively uncommercial EPs.

"We're trying to say, 'that's how the business works for you over there,
but not for us, so here's two EPs, which probably won't qualify for charts
because they're too long, but this is our little bit and we'll play your
game for a couple of weeks when you put this out'."

According to Fraser, the acoustic EP was recorded during the making of Milk
And Kisses while the ambient EP (recorded with Mark Clifford of ambient
experimentalists Seefeel) was started after the album was finished. "For
some reason, it made sense to us to make the first new move with the EPs
rather than the album itself," she says.

Raymonde adds, "We just felt comfortable enough to experiment in different
ways, and EPs are a perfect length for that." In return, he says, the band
will promote a single off the album, of which there are at least three up
for consideration.

Milk And Kisses follows the same song-based, poppy trajectory that Fraser,
Raymonde and Guthrie started with 1988's Blue Bell Knoll, though Raymonde
says this time they wrote and played more as a band.

Bates firmly believes that the album returns to the standard of Heaven Or
Las Vegas, which he felt was the Cocteaus' all-time best.

As for playing live, the band maintain that they don't want to tour again
in the manner of their last seven-month outing which featured added
musicians.

"We've no desire to do the bog-standard rock theatres or toilet-type of
clubs again, or spend that amount of time away from home," says Raymonde.
"We're thinking of doing a show with different stages in the evening, and
incorporating all the new records, with just the three of us and a drummer
again."

The band have also fulfilled a long-standing wish to make a short film that
they hope will achieve more than just a standard promo clip.

The eight-minute film focuses on a couple of the acoustic songs, fusing
typography and imagery.

"We think it's brilliant," says Raymonde. "I'm currently trying to get it
converted to 35mm and get it put on in the cinema, though people don't seem
to see it as anything other than a promo."

Given the band and Fontana's success in overcoming obstacles, the Cocteaus
might well be up there on the cinema screen in 1996 as well as on the radio
and the record player.

Martin Aston

-----------------------------------------

Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, March 14, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:33:30 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: the girl who started the blockbuster discussion posts

              something thislisty :) ;b

On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Kendal Myka Obermeyer! wrote:

>      The Rutowski Sisters. Someone mentioned other 'offerings' of
> theirs about a year ago. My mail file had it for breafkast.

 They are 2/3rds of a group called Shelleyan Orphan, who were for a
while,at least, on Rough Trade.  They have three lps that i know of:

hellaborine

century flower

humroot

The out of print 'hellaborine' is my personal favorite. Took a good five
years of wading thru used cd bins to find it, and well worth it.
The opening track, entitled 'southern bess', is in my top ten fer sher.

So i highly recommend you checking them out.  Century flower is also
fantastic. I was lucky enough to first discover S.O. when they opened up
for The Cure on the Prayer (Disintegration) Tour.  They were then
promoting Century Flower.  Awesome voice performance live.

p.s. Does anybody have a tape of S.O. live that they would be willing to
trade for??

dan

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:21:11 EDT
From: Ned Norland (nnorland@WALNUT.PRS.K12.NJ.US)
Subject: Re: promos


The local record shop has a copy of Liquorice's "Cheap Cuts" promo with 4 or
5 remixes of songs from the album. It's $8...if anyone is interested in
having me pick it up for them, I have it on reserve for whoever bothers me
first.

-ned norland
nnorland@walnut.prs.k12.nj.us


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    accuracy or content of the above message.


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:14:56 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: boo! (Re: a few things)


I probably missed this discussion of "wake up!" the first time around,
but I'm american and I LOVE 'Wake Up!'

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:23:55 EST
From: mattn@MIT.EDU
Subject: French Pop


It is true that the stephen merrit, the creative force behind the
magnetic fields is american, and a bostonian no less.

But on the subject of French music, when I was in France, I went
to the FNAC, their version of Tower Records, and heard a wonderful
band called Kat Onoma.  Subscribers to this list or the dreampop
list should really check them out.  They have a very haunting
quality and they sing in heavily accented English.  It's a marriage
between VU and Hector Zazou.

In general, however, I've found that most French pop falls into
the thislisty pigeonhole for better or for worse.  The vocal quality
of acts such as Jean-Louis Murat, Serge Gainsbourg, Francoise Hardy,
and even Vanessa Paradis resemble the vocal qualities of some of our
favorite domestic alternative acts.

-----------
Matt Neimark                      (617)225-7450
143 Albany St.
Cambridge, Ma 02139


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:31:21 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Some Cocteau Rumors... List?? where??


Here's something i just pulled from the cocteau twins list. if you're
interested, read on.  And if you're on the cox list, my apologies.


I am not and how do i??

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:55:53 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: RUTKOWSKIS


>> They are 2/3rds of a group called Shelleyan Orphan<<

No, but one of them, can't remember which, is in a group called The Kindness
of Strangers. They have one domestic release. The name of it escapes me
though. Brant should know.
Branty?


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:32:00 EST
From: "B. Johnson" (76322.3516@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: DCD vid


Taylor,

>>But if not...I have it and would be willing to copy it for you.  What do you
have to trade?<<

All DCD and alot of Projekt stuff.

???

Bradley S.

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:32:04 EST
From: "B. Johnson" (76322.3516@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: DCD Vid


>>I have the limited edition video/cd boxset that I'd like to get
rid of if you're interested. both are still wrapped. let me know
if you're interested...<<

Got the cd.  Will you break 'em?

$$$ -> ???

Bradley.

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:32:02 EST
From: "B. Johnson" (76322.3516@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: DCD Video


>>Where do you live? This still should be available on the video racks of
most music stores.<<

I'm in a very rural area.  We have no music store.  (I'm serious)  The
nearest is about 40 min.

Is it available through mail order?

Bradley.

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:42:55 -0500
From: Anthony Monahan (anthonym@MAGNET.COM)
Subject: Re: promos


i'll take it: if you've still got it
[that's the one w/ the defever remixes, isn't it?]
thanks-
anthony

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:35:40 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Cocteau Rumors... List?? where??


yOn Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Ian McCausland wrote:

> Here's something i just pulled from the cocteau twins list. if you're
> interested, read on.  And if you're on the cox list, my apologies.
>
>
> I am not and how do i??


i think that if you put the word 'subscribe' in the body of a message,
and send it to jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu, that will do it.  Otherwise,
post a request for info to the same address.

dan


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:23:53 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: RUTKOWSKIS


> >> They are 2/3rds of a group called Shelleyan Orphan<<
> No

Right. It's Caroline Crawley in Shelleyan Orphan.

> but one of them, can't remember which, is in a group called The Kindness
> of Strangers. They have one domestic release. The name of it escapes me
> though. Brant should know.

Yes, I should, but I don't. I had a listen to it at
the store recently, and ended up not getting it, so I must not
have liked it. I think it struck me as too 'easy listening',
based on maybe a minute's worth or music, so don't believe a word
I say.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:16:33 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: more trainspotting


Here's another Kristin vs. Kristen note, although
this time I'm not sure of the correct spelling:

McCarrick or McGarrick? 'C' or 'G'?
I honestly think I've seen it spelled both ways on
different 4AD releases, but let's check....
Well, it seems it really is McCarrick, as I found in
Strings, Blood, Filigree and Shadow, and the AVAM poster.

So there you have it. By the way, it was wonderful to see
him at AVAM with Kristin Hersh. I've got a weakness for
cellos and string arrangements so he's been a bit of a hero of mine.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

ps. Of course if you've seen one yeti, you've seen them all.


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:49:33 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: erroneous orphan


oopsie. i just looked in the eyesore database, and found this:
 Featuring Caroline Crawley (Shellyan Orphan)
in the notes to 'blood'.  It doesnt have any info at all as to where
the rutowskis come from....


but hell, don't disregard the recommendation. S.O. is worth checking out!

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 16:03:29 +0000
From: mbdtssv (mbdtssv@AFS.MCC.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: the girl who started the blockbuster discussion posts

              something
              Obermeyer!" at Mar 14, 96 07:45:51 am

>      Martin McGarrick's work includes: TMC, Siouxsie and the Banshees,
> Indigo Girls,  and what else? I"m sure I"m missing something.

Martin McCarrick played cello on Kristen Hersh's solo acoustic tour for
'Hips and Makers'. I saw one of the shows at a church in London.
It was one of my favourite gigs ever.

Simon


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 16:03:07 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Rustkowski's


  The KOS cd is called "Hope".  It could be classified as easy
listening, but her voice on the song "Walk Away" makes it worth having.


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 18:57:08 +0000
From: "Roger Brewster (Wedge)" (bu6010@WLV.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: a leetle cd sale (not all thislisty stuff but here goes it)


On Sat, 9 Mar 1996, Jennifer Jamieson wrote:

> I am offering the following full-length cd's for sale at the prices listed
> (postage not incl.)-
>
> Madder Rose- Panic On $6

hey up, do u still have this one?  if so, could u give me a track
listing, and also a price inc. postage to england?

cheers,
roger

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 12:08:24 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: the girl who started the blockbuster discussion

              postssomething thislisty :) ;b
              
              of Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:33:30 -0500

>   >      The Rutowski Sisters. Someone mentioned other
>   'offerings' of
>   > theirs about a year ago. My mail file had it for
>   breafkast.
>
>    They are 2/3rds of a group called Shelleyan Orphan, who
>   were for a while,at least, on Rough Trade.  They have
>   three lps that i know of: ...

Woa!!!  Slow down there.  I love Shelleyan Orphan too but i can't believe that
you've got all three albums but you never bothered to read the liner notes.
Shelleyan Orphan is *Caroline Crawley* and Jemaur Tayle.  Yes CC sang a few
songs for This Mortal Coil but her last name is not Rutkowski.

-cz ... who's hoping someone will miraculously put out a CD collection of all
the non-album EP/Single's tracks.

bins because some numbskulls can't tell the difference between an adjective and
a first name.


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 16:29:54 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: FISHER-PRICE CAMERA


To whom it may concern (i.e. all interested parties who've inquired),

Last week, I mistakenly posted a private reply to hk regarding a possible
Fisher-Price Pixelvision camera for purchase. I have since received many,
many offers.

The camera in question actually belongs to a friend of mine who was actually
toying with the idea of selling it. He has since changed his mind.

Sorry for the inconvenience to all interested parties and very sorry for the
inconvenience to all non-interested parties who've had to put up with the
very few lists posts (incl. this one) regarding this.

Bye-bye,

Roy


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 13:47:21 -0800
From: ESP Sunshine (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: anuddah hnia web page in the making


  due to my newfound search for being a Webee, i can also start on
  my own twisted version of a hnia web page..and if i can find someone
  to help with das photos, everyone can have the strange pleasure
  of looking at my concert pix...warren with the ugly deck shoes...
  ian masters looking distressingly fragile...karin oliver appearing
  to be dressed for a clam bake...plus special avam photos of ivo
  smoking outside Aron's Records and brendan perry crooning on a
  stool w/his 12 string.
  oh yeah, then there's also me. and if you're lucky, i'll take a
  picture of the ankle tat i'm getting tomorrow... {whoopee}.
  anyhoo, any input as to what i should and shouldn't include on a
  band related site is mucho appreciated. i'll get a preliminary
  test page sort of thing going in a few days.


  epi's and vox amps,
  k-j


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 19:17:03 -0800
From: Lab User (labuser@DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: List of 4AD out-of-print stuff


Does anyone have a list of all the records 4AD isn't printing these
days??  Is the Cocteau's "Pink Opaque" still really saught after?  I
picked it up, brand-spankin' new today at Reckless.  If anyone wants to
trade or buy, e-mail me...



Matt (skaoioi@aol.com)

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 20:37:53 -0500
From: jesus el pifco (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Alternative French Music


hk wrote:

>Oh, by the way, could someone explain why Stereolab is so often referred to
>as a French band, when in reality they're an Anglo-French hybrid?

More than that, even. The current lineup is:

Tim = English
Laetitia = French
Morgane = French
Mary = Australian
Duncan = English
David = American

so that's two-sixths French, two-sixths English, one-sixth Australian and
one-sixth American. Before that, they were only one-fifth French. It must be
hell getting visas for a world tour...

Larry

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 19:15:04 -0800
From: Lab User (labuser@DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: windy and carl


I actually saw w & c last night at the Metro in Chicago (free show).  It
was probably the most beautiful show I have ever seen.  They said that
they had several singles for sale, and mentioned putting an album out in
April.  Supposedly they played a bunch of new stuff.  I know they have an
album out on Ba Da Bing! Records called "Portal".  It is sooooo great,
but I admit that I like them live so much better.  And Windy, I think,
works at the Record Collector in Livonia, so maybe she has some ties with
Warren Defever.  I'm just curious.  Also, if you happen to order anything
from Ba Da Bing! (the "Follow the Bouncing Ball" comp., with Jessamine,
Receptionists, Holiday Flyer, Stratotanker, Babytooth, and others, or
Windy and Carl CD) be sure to order the first Ba Da Bing! 7" from a
little band called Salteen.  They broke up, but Ben the guitarist owns
BDB! and Beth the singer/guitarist is in a band called Raze77, which
should have something out on BDB! soon, and a band called Aerodrome,
which is just her and ME!  Woo hoo! (cheap plug).  Anyway, I kind of went
off on a tangent, but check out all this shit...its SOOOOOOO good.


Matt (skaoioi@aol.com)

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:09:26 +1000
From: Geoff Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: Anyone heard of this band: "bluetile lounge"?


G'day,

  I've just bought a CD by a band called "bluetile lounge", who hail from
Perth, Western Australia. The CD is called "lowercase", and is similar in
sound to the second Red House Painter's CD (the one with the
rollercoaster on the cover). By that I mean, the songs are all slow,
long, and sparse - kind of like the RHP songs "Mother", "Drop",
"Funhouse", etc. In fact, one song on the CD, called "Ambered", is very
similar to RHP's "Mother", in that it starts as a gentle, sparse tune,
and builds up to an electric cacophony at the end.

  The sound on the CD is not very good - and the vocals are pretty well
submerged in the mix. The interesting thing is that the CD is distributed
in the States by Summershine, which is subsidiary of Subpop (I think). I
don't know of any other Australian bands with this kind of distribution,
especially one that doesn't play the kind of Seattle grunge normally
associated with Subpop (IMHO).

  Anyway, if you like the Red House Painter's brand of long-slow-sparse,
then this CD may be of interest. I wouldn't rush out and buy it -- the
sound quality is bad. But if it is distributed via Subpop, then it may be
around in the States. If so, have a listen.

Cheers,

Geoff.


Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:54:00 PST
From: "Heileson, Thomas" (heilts1@MPE11.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Milk And Kisses


>
>  I just received my copy of M and K, and i am really blown away.  This
>album is great!  I dont know how this album dissappointed one reviewer on
>this list, but the only song, for me, that let me down, was Rilkean Heart,
>they should have let it as it was. The additional music really does nothing
>for it, but make it seem out of place after having heard the original from
>twinlights.  Now, VIolane is a VAST improvement from Otherness....I really
>enjoyed it on otherness, but on here, it blows it away.  There is so much
>liz on here , its incredible.  Overdubbing, layers upon layers!  IT Truely
>is incredible!  I hope the actual cd comes out soon, cuz im afraid i'll
wear
>this one away in a little bit!!!  :)

I'm very curious about this album. I'd like to solicit enough description,
if possible, to let me know whether to go out & buy it or not. I'll try and
make my question session concise (I'd be more articulate and eloquent, but I
don't have much time to post right now):

I was "raised on" early CT and absolutely loved them until Heaven Or Las
Vegas, which I only liked. I don't like Four Calendar Cafe. I think
Twinlights is OK. I _adore the hell out of_ Otherness. Possibly because Mark
Clifford of Seefeel was involved, and I adore Seefeel.

It M&K more abstract, a la Otherness (or Seefeel), or like HoLV/FCC/TL?

Much thanks for any info (cc to my personal address pls.) and here's
fingers-crossing that CT are back in true form...

                      +    +
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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:36:52 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: RUTKOWSKIS


Hey the "kindness of strangers" lp is sel-titled.  It's good!  Buy it!  I really
like it; even though just about everyone else on this list hates it.  It's
Diedre Rutkowski who is in it; she thanks ivo in the credits and Dave Stewart
from the Eurythmics helped produce it.  Don't diss diedre!!

PS I'm also the asshole who helped defend blockbuters' right to make a profit
during the blockbuster flame-fest last year.  And I think George Gilder is
a very smart man and I also think Camilla Paglia is the greatest thing to
appear on the scene since chopped bread!  If you wanna debalte BBuster offline
just email me and I will twist you to agree with me.  ;)


marvyn

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 17:04:00 PST
From: "Heileson, Thomas" (heilts1@MPE11.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Blockbusted


>
>>      I've detested Blockbuster out of gut feeling for quite some time.
>> Not only do they seem infinitely jerkish, they also censor (no, they
>> won't carry Last Temptation of Christ), etc.  So what happens when
>> they devour all our resources to rent what we want to watch?

What no-one has addressed here (and which is only _slightly_ more thisListy)
is that Blockbuster has been moving in on the music retail business as well.
They opened up store in Queen Anne, Seattle a year back or so. The plastic,
pre-fabness of this place makes Tower look like a local-run shop.

>PS.  Oh yeh, while we're on the very unthislisty subject of Bollockbusters,
>could someone tell me why, aside from the blatantly obvious reason of sheer
>cluelessness, that they would file videotapes of 'Absolutely Fabulous' in
>the "Alternative Lifestlyes" section?  Although I've only seen one or two
>episodes, I fail to see the connection.  Could very well be cluelessness on
>my part, but I'm just curious.

Am I correct in thinking that one of the AbFab characters is  a
_single mother_!? For shame! Doesn't get any more "alternative" than this,
just ask Dan Quayle.

>What is ironic and so indicative of their corporate mindlessness is that
>the backlashes they fear will occur if they rent videos Bob Dole would
>not approve of simply do not happen. We all remember the big deal they
>made of the fact they were not going to carry Last Temptation of Christ,
>and the filthy porno movie Henry & June.

I am _stunned_ that they won't carry Henry & June!!!! This is so _blatantly_
xenophobe-political; H&J is incredibly tame compared to a plethora of --
apparently Bb-approved -- movies out there, the difference being that there
is a bi-sexual relationship. Just had to vent my reaction here. My boycott
is signed, sealed, delivered (not that I have to change anything to do
that)...