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Subject: Alternative French Music
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 20:28:09 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Alternative French Music
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 22:09:14 -0800
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Alternative French Music
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 00:50:08 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: a few things
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 01:15:42 -0600
From: handling your halogen (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: a few things
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 01:28:18 -0600
From: handling your halogen (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Alternative Frence Music
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 01:30:09 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Milk And Kisses
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 15:32:17 -0600
From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: What up wit dat Lush an shit??
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 00:31:47 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: promo values/Shox/Scheer
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 21:10:27 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: lat months's long harlod budd spew
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 00:52:42 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: updates
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 01:00:48 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: TWP
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:28:24 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Settle down, beavis.
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 14:05:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@eden.com)
Subject: Some Cocteau Rumors...
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 00:41:25 -0600 (CST)
From: Stratton Davis (stratt@e-tex.com)
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:45:39 -0500
From: "Scorpio M." (99barwik@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Alainis Morriset
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:49:56 -0500
From: "Scorpio M." (99barwik@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Settle down, beavis. (fwd)+4AD music+CT
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:44:30 -0600
From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Re: updates
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:30:45 -0600
From: "Michael C. Lawyer" (lawmic@HOMER.ACS.BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: blockheadbuster. the tumor.
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:15:31 -0600
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer! (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: promo values
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:54:51 -0500
From: Adam J Weitzman (weitzman@INDIVIDUAL.COM)
Subject: Re: Alainis Morriset
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:57:11 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: blockheadbuster. the tumor.
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 12:56:00 CST
From: Ivan Hernandez (IHernandez@NABORS.COM)
Subject: Re: Alainis Morriset
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 14:46:28 -0600
From: monochrome (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: blockheadbuster. the tumor.
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 15:04:26 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: blockheadbuster. the tumor.
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:23:00 PST
From: gur (gur_k@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: PV
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:22:27 CST
From: Ivan Hernandez (IHernandez@NABORS.COM)
Subject: "It's naht ah toomah."
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 17:09:06 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: e: "It's naht a toomah." and more blockheadbusters
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 18:19:45 -0600
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer! (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: DCD Video
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 20:44:50 EST
From: "B. Johnson" (76322.3516@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD Video
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 20:28:11 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: "It's naht ah toomah."
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 20:21:24 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Alanis Morriset
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 20:01:35 +0000
From: Undetermined origin c/o LISTSERV maintainer

Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 20:28:09 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Alternative French Music


Does anyone out there in cyberland know of some really good french
alternative rock music....besides Stereolab?


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Communicating from the corner of 5th and Vermouth

Fred/Derf Collins

(c/o elvia@uclink3.berkeley.edu)

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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 22:09:14 -0800
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Alternative French Music


At 08:28 PM 3/12/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Does anyone out there in cyberland know of some really good french
>alternative rock music....besides Stereolab?
You might want to check out Les Rita Mitsouko, whose self titled debut and
"The No Comprendo" are excellent weird French pop, electronic and
kitschy...also, the Saint Etienne/Etienne Daho ep is great...they are known
as "Saint Etienne Daho"...Etienne Daho is a pretty culty musical artist in
France, quirky electronic and very influenced by English music...he has a
great voice to boot.  Both of these artistes are on Virgin France.

Je suis une frommage,

Peter


Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 00:50:08 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Alternative French Music


>At 08:28 PM 3/12/96 -0800, you wrote:
>>Does anyone out there in cyberland know of some really good french
>>alternative rock music....besides Stereolab?
>You might want to check out Les Rita Mitsouko, whose self titled debut and
>"The No Comprendo" are excellent weird French pop, electronic and
>kitschy...also, the Saint Etienne/Etienne Daho ep is great...they are known
>as "Saint Etienne Daho"...Etienne Daho is a pretty culty musical artist in
>France, quirky electronic and very influenced by English music...he has a
>great voice to boot.  Both of these artistes are on Virgin France.

Not necessarily alternative nor rock, but Francoise Hardy has made some of
the warmfuzziest Francophone popmuzak.  The only recordings of hers that I
own is the very excellent compilation entitled simply 'Blues 1962/1993'.
I'd read somewhere that the truly godhead Nick Drake had once planned on
writing songs for Ms. Hardy to sing, but due to a tragic case of mistaken
medication, this never came to pass.  Quel dommage.

And then there was the equally culty Serge Gainsbourg who almost seems the
contemporary French counterpart to Kurt Weill.  Luna had covered his "Bonnie
and Clyde" (with the very lovely Laetitia Stereolab on guest vox), and Mick
Harvey of the Bad Seeds/Birthday Party fame had recently released a
collection of Gainsbourg compositions.

But anyway, a while back there was a video compilation released by Season
Records of Australia that featured a few French indiepop bands, of which the
only name I could remember offhand is les Garcons Ordinaires (most probably
because of the name).  Also, the folks who'd released the ESP Continent CD
are in a band called Carmine, of whom I've heard very good things.  A kind
soul had posted a list of French indiepop recommendations on another mailing
list, but alas, that article is currently sitting elsewhere....

>Je suis une frommage,

An obscure Robert Cormier reference, perhaps?  (And if so, shouldn't that be
"le fromage" instead?)  Oh, noooooo, I'm having seventh grade flashbacks!
Aieeeee!

Oh, by the way, could someone explain why Stereolab is so often referred to
as a French band, when in reality they're an Anglo-French hybrid?

Laters,


hk
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 01:15:42 -0600
From: handling your halogen (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: a few things


everybody's got something to hide 'cept for me and my crosspost:


first off...someone recommend me some boo radleys...there are four
different cds sitting at waterloo in austin and i want to know more.

second, if any of you fine folk sent me some personal email in the last,
oh, three months or so, you should be seeing a reply today/tomorrow.

third, i also found a copy of blind mr. jones's 'stereo musicale' in the
used bin at said waterloo. it was $9.99. i keep meaning to listen to
'tattooine' to see if i like it or not, but 'stereo musicale' gets in the
way, it's a fabulously dreamy, if not quite original, cd (too much obvious
ride influence.) if the person who wrote me a *long* time ago about
'tattooine' (aaron?) wants 'stereo musicale' and maybe also 'tattooine,'
email me por favore.

fourth, was happily surprised by sianspheric - somnium on sonic unyon out
of canada. heard tons about it on droneon-l and it's very relaxed, mellow
poppydreamyswirly stuff. it's got some kitchens-type vocal influences and
the last track, at 21 minutes, evolves into a subdued haze of music. i
can't be more specific because i've only listened to it once completely
through so far, but i like it, what other prodding do you need?

fifth. mini-reviews.
new ride - crap. listen at your own risk. i couldn't make it past the fifth
song.
new lush - crap. granted i just skimmed through it, but the songs didn't
sound like much.
stars of the lid - i keep putting off buying this because i'll listen to it
in the store and of course all i hear is the store stereo system because
it's so mellow. i know i should buy it, but i didn't tonight either.
new ear - sounded promising, but i've decided to wait on it.
rachel's - sounded even better but i'm holding out for the vinyl at 33 degrees.

i listened to some other stuff but i forgot what, it didn't stick.

stuff i found:
sianspheric - just buy it, k?

beatles - past masters vol.1 (i'm looking for past masters vol.2 more, but
i can't pass up a used beatles item that i'm missing)

afghan whigs - black love (the cute-but-ignorant rekkid-sto counter boy
said it is 'jazzy.' i'm going to tape it later to listen to it in my car
and evaluate it, but i think i may have outgrown the testosterone angst of
greg dulli.)

low - transmission ep (yummy)

g love and special sauce - coast to coast motel (hey i like cheesy blues
knockoffs sometimes)

and for the vis-cous-cous square children:

this is spam haiku.
spread it on your washed body.
now you smell like spam.

soundbitingly yours,
.joanna.

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 01:28:18 -0600
From: handling your halogen (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: a few things


everybody's got something to hide 'cept for me and my crosspost:


first off...someone recommend me some boo radleys...there are four
different cds sitting at waterloo in austin and i want to know more.

second, if any of you fine folk sent me some personal email in the last,
oh, three months or so, you should be seeing a reply today/tomorrow.

third, i also found a copy of blind mr. jones's 'stereo musicale' in the
used bin at said waterloo. it was $9.99. i keep meaning to listen to
'tattooine' to see if i like it or not, but 'stereo musicale' gets in the
way, it's a fabulously dreamy, if not quite original, cd (too much obvious
ride influence.) if the person who wrote me a *long* time ago about
'tattooine' (aaron?) wants 'stereo musicale' and maybe also 'tattooine,'
email me por favore.

fourth, was happily surprised by sianspheric - somnium on sonic unyon out
of canada. heard tons about it on droneon-l and it's very relaxed, mellow
poppydreamyswirly stuff. it's got some kitchens-type vocal influences and
the last track, at 21 minutes, evolves into a subdued haze of music. i
can't be more specific because i've only listened to it once completely
through so far, but i like it, what other prodding do you need?

fifth. mini-reviews.
new ride - crap. listen at your own risk. i couldn't make it past the fifth
song.
new lush - crap. granted i just skimmed through it, but the songs didn't
sound like much.
stars of the lid - i keep putting off buying this because i'll listen to it
in the store and of course all i hear is the store stereo system because
it's so mellow. i know i should buy it, but i didn't tonight either.
new ear - sounded promising, but i've decided to wait on it.
rachel's - sounded even better but i'm holding out for the vinyl at 33 degrees.

i listened to some other stuff but i forgot what, it didn't stick.

stuff i found:
sianspheric - just buy it, k?

beatles - past masters vol.1 (i'm looking for past masters vol.2 more, but
i can't pass up a used beatles item that i'm missing)

afghan whigs - black love (the cute-but-ignorant rekkid-sto counter boy
said it is 'jazzy.' i'm going to tape it later to listen to it in my car
and evaluate it, but i think i may have outgrown the testosterone angst of
greg dulli.)

low - transmission ep (yummy)

g love and special sauce - coast to coast motel (hey i like cheesy blues
knockoffs sometimes)

and for the vis-cous-cous square children:

this is spam haiku.
spread it on your washed body.
now you smell like spam.

soundbitingly yours,
.joanna.
technobabblers take note: liquid sky comp. #1, tracks 1, 6, 8, 10

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 01:30:09 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Alternative Frence Music


While the French are mostly known in these quarters for their fandom of
atrocious garage rock (the New Rose label), and taste non pareil in ethnic
recordings (Paris soukous, the Arion and Ocora labels), I am aware of one
amazing "alternative" (curse the word) band named Collection d'Arnell
Andrea.  Their "Villers Aux Vents" album was highly touted on the list
around a year ago (I'll tout too whenever Dave Earrational gets it in my
mailbox), a "L'aulne y L'morte" off of it was the highlight of the
Heavenly Voices compilations for me.  Imagine early/mid Cocteau Twins
fronted by an articulate French woman, with a menacing, carnivalesque
atmosphere.  There are three earlier albums in which they had a hybrid
chamber rock instrumentation (incl cello and violin).   I'll tell
everyone about them when and if I get a chance to hear them.

Actually, I shouldn't have been so harsh.  The Olympia Theatre
(Paris) audience in the background of James Brown's live "Love Power
Peace" seems to be grooving right along...

D. Stephen Roy  //\\  Die in your thoughts every morning and
dsroy@rice.edu  \\//  you will no longer fear death - Hakakure

Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 15:32:17 -0600
From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Milk And Kisses


WoW
  I just received my copy of M and K, and i am really blown away.  This
album is great!  I dont know how this album dissappointed one reviewer on
this list, but the only song, for me, that let me down, was Rilkean Heart,
they should have let it as it was. The additional music really does nothing
for it, but make it seem out of place after having heard the original from
twinlights.  Now, VIolane is a VAST improvement from Otherness....I really
enjoyed it on otherness, but on here, it blows it away.  There is so much
liz on here , its incredible.  Overdubbing, layers upon layers!  IT Truely
is incredible!  I hope the actual cd comes out soon, cuz im afraid i'll wear
this one away in a little bit!!!  :)

  Its not too long of a cd, but longer than BBK, as some have posted here
before, UPS is a good song, Eperdu is a much better song tho!   The wave in
the backgrounds is brilliant.

  Im thinking about putting most of these songs on a webpage, if you have
iwave you should be able to hear them.  What do you guys think, should i?

  I know this isnt a thorough review, it wasnt intended to be, but i had to
voice my opinion about this album.  And oh yeah, that supposed "Curse" of
bands that left 4AD, this will prove it wrongo!!!  Though i myself never
subscribed to that theory (L-unsubscribe from silly theory)

  Take care and its only a few short months till it comes out, or just one,
whatever!!!

  Milk and Kisses
Ernesto

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 00:31:47 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: What up wit dat Lush an shit??


I just picked up Lovelife. When I saw it in the record store, I was
pleasantly surprised to see that 4AD has liberalized some and is reaching
out to tha cactus community. Boy was I shocked and upset to arrive home
and find that this was merely a token reference to our kind, that Lush
have not embraced inter-species openness but instead sold out to the
powerful interests of their African brothers and sisters. I encourage all
my fellow cacti as well as our open minded mammalian and aquatic friends
to boycott this album as well as all jazz recordings released by the nice
colored man on the cover.

 sleazy e


Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 21:10:27 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: promo values/Shox/Scheer


  nobody is blaming Guernica for paying her/his hard earned cash for an
>>item s/he really wants.  or for anything at all, for that matter.  the
>>point is simple, and simply this:  somebody is making big bucks from
>>trafficking in goods they have no right to. 4ad isnt making money from
>>it. The artists arent receiving any royalties from it (it=promotional
>>samplers).  And in a better world, the profit motive would be constantly
>>checked by a desire to help one's fellow man.  like helping a fellow
>>listie get something they'd really like.  that's it.
>
>Hmmm, like the way that the Picasso estate makes a percentage of each and
>every resale of each and every piece that Pablo every created.  Or possibly
>the little dividends that are credited to each and every descendant of the
>Ming dynasty for each vase that is sold at Christie's.
>
>Let's face it:  Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay.
>
>
>Chad
>
>"Move inside my daydream"
The fact of the matter is we, at an earlier age of our music awareness life
are told that the
your cool if you have something that everyone else would like but you only
have.  From here eventually comes the concept of turning music into a
commodity.  We are all to blame. No matter how cool we are, no matter how
much black we wear, no matter how many anti-capitalist slogans we say...we
are tools of our own greed.

4AD is no different than IBM or Bank of America...just like its customers
are no different. $42 for a CD...you tool.

==================================================
Communicating from the corner of 5th and Vermouth

Fred/Derf Collins

(c/o elvia@uclink3.berkeley.edu)

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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 00:52:42 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: lat months's long harlod budd spew


Could either someone on this list or the person I mailed it to (depending
on whether I posted or sent it privately) please forward me a copy of the
Harold Budd rant I sent out a few weeks ago? I have lost my own copy and
would like to fwd it to someone else, maybe modify it into some sort of a
minifaq.

Thanks.

 e

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 01:00:48 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: updates


I need to update various people about various things:

Dewdrops #15 seems to be on schedule for an 'end of the month'
printing date.

No more bids have come in for that little auction I'm
still running. The closing time will remain at midnight on
Sunday.

There are still no sleeves for the 7" single we released
a while ago, and the very few I have sent out have been
"naked". Sleeves will be sent when they're done. For those 35
people who are getting a free copy, they haven't been sent
yet. I still have all your addresses on file, so as soon
as I have the completed singles I'll send them.

Thanks to those who have offered to help out with Dewdrops.
I appreciate all of it, but have not had the time to reply
to most of you yet. As soon as I have something coherent to
say after going through my growing backlog of mail, I'll
send all of you some email.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:28:24 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: TWP


>>_Burden of Mules_, however, is not very original, but is *extremely*
>>derivative of early PiL.  It is good, though, and I sure wish it
>>would be reissued on CD.
>
>Actually, it was (although I believe it was in limited quantities).  I
>haven't actually seen a copy, but I've seen people selling them before.

What? These people were also selling CD's like Frank Zappa's '200 Motels'
and Unrest's 'Black Power Dynamo'?


'Burden Of Mules' was NEVER released on CD.

Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++


Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 07:05:18 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Settle down, beavis. (fwd)


---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 14:05:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@eden.com)
Subject: Re: Settle down, beavis.



Fuck you.
----------------------------------------

...well, isnt that nice

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 07:13:53 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Some Cocteau Rumors... (fwd)


Here's something i just pulled from the cocteau twins list. if you're
interested, read on.  And if you're on the cox list, my apologies.




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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 00:41:25 -0600 (CST)
From: Stratton Davis (stratt@e-tex.com)
Subject: Some Cocteau Rumors...




I have a few items of interest regarding tour info, new releases, etc.
These are all rumors, but they do come from a very reliable source connected
to Capitol here in the States.  Sorry, but I can't say anything else.


United States.  Fontana is apparently the only way to get it for now.

Milk and Kisses:  This has been moved back AGAIN until April 30.  I don't
know if this is for Fontana AND Capitol or just Capitol.

The tour:  The US tour will start in July.


Also, according to a friend who caught the Mark Radcliffe Show earlier
today, Robin has just recently gotten married and honeymooned in Iceland.



Stratton

stratt@e-tex.com


>TORI SPELLING, actress best known for her role in Beverly Hills 90210,
>during an on-air radio interview with radio personality Howard Stern
>Howard Stern: "What is the capital of New York?"
>Tori Spelling: "...New Jersey?"
Stratton Davis

stratt@e-tex.com


Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:45:39 -0500
From: "Scorpio M." (99barwik@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE


...or there are those like myself who subscribed from an address which is
no longer in use/ accessable.....anyone been in this boat before or knows
how to get OUT of it?  My old email address had an automatic forwarding
program applied so that I would get all my mail but whenever I try to
unsubscribe it tells me that it has to be from the same originating address.
                It is really aggravating....

                                joy


Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:49:56 -0500
From: "Scorpio M." (99barwik@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Alainis Morriset


        Ah...so you saw that little excerpt of her old video too, from
the mesh and chiffon skirted days of Pat Benatar....Alannis has tried
very desperately to make it into the popular music scene in many
disgusting ways....from the pop/dance diva aka Janet Jackson to this
image that the grunge crusties can get into...I couldn't agree more.


                        joy...wishing that Alannis would just SWALLOW
                                her jagged little pill,....and choke.

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:44:30 -0600
From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Re: Settle down, beavis. (fwd)+4AD music+CT


At 07:05 AM 3/13/96 -0500, you wrote:
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>
>
>Fuck you.
>----------------------------------------
>
>...well, isnt that nice
>
>
Well ONe things for sure, Martin does say whats on his mind...He writes a
mean comic but geez martin, get ahold of yerself.  Its either all or nothing
for you.
  On 4AD stuff....who is this bastard saying Lovelife sux??  Hmmm.  Well,
maybe a whole buchaya's is saying that, but I do enjoy it.  Last night is
incredible, as for it being Hotel California???  *ahem* WRONG!  LadyKillers
is GREAT!  Very Pop....but is that so wrong? They just wanna be loved.
  I have liked single girl since i bought the single...part one, which im
told wasnt the best of the two.  I dont i do look forward to each
hearing...but that cd isnt playing as much now....since Milk and Kisses was
dropped off in my mailbox!  Violane is SOOOOOOOO  Great!!!  And Half-Gifts,
tho i am sure many wont like it, i LOVE it....that carnival synth sounds
fantastic to me!  Such an opposite to liz's voice....beautiful. Rilkean
Heart is the one that lets me down the most, but its still good.  Seekers
who are lovers, for those who hated this one on Otherness will be PLEASED at
what they have done to it.  Treasure Hiding is a treasure.
 I cant believe they pushed back the release til april 30....oh yeah
tishbite is pretty good, and yes i can see that one being played on my
hometown Q101 (ug) the new ROCK ALTERNATIVE.
 Take care
Ernesto


Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:30:45 -0600
From: "Michael C. Lawyer" (lawmic@HOMER.ACS.BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: updates


I recently got post by Bjork from the bmg man, and I like it alot, but all of th
 singles and stuff I've seen from her are really expensive, is any of it worth g
tting?

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:15:31 -0600
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer! (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: blockheadbuster. the tumor.

              at Mar 8, 96 02:27:56 am

Dearest listies...
     I'm just posing a question, yes, not too musical in nature, but
Blockbuster Video (evil incarnate ) is growing at an alarming rate
in my neck of the woods. I heard it (the Cancer) had spread overseas,
and that, like here in Lincoln, NE, it's consuming smaller videostores
to feed itself.
     I've detested Blockbuster out of gut feeling for quite some time.
Not only do they seem infinitely jerkish, they also censor (no, they
won't carry Last Temptation of Christ), etc.  So what happens when
they devour all our resources to rent what we want to watch?

                                        *Kendal*

                                        kobermey@unlgrad1.unl.edu

     -->>>http://www.teleport.com/~obee/kendal.html<<<---

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:54:51 -0500
From: Adam J Weitzman (weitzman@INDIVIDUAL.COM)
Subject: Re: promo values


album.  Don't write it off before you listen to it, because if you liked any
of their earlier stuff, there are at least a couple of songs here that will
fit your bill.

Elvia M. Tarango wrote:
>
> The fact of the matter is we, at an earlier age of our music awareness life
> are told that the your cool if you have something that everyone else would
> like but you only have.

Not all of us are driven by being "cool."  Some of us just want to hear good
music, and if it's only available on a promo, well, then you have to get the
promo if you want to hear it.  It's unfortunate that so much good music is
only available on promos, but that's the way it goes sometimes.  4AD is a
special case in that, even if the promo has no new music, the artwork is often
so compelling that people want it anyways, though I myself do not fall into
that category (much).

> From here eventually comes the concept of turning music into a
> commodity.

Actually, it is record companies that turned music into a commodity, long
before there were collectors.

> We are all to blame.

Agreed.  Us collectors especially.  :-)

> 4AD is no different than IBM or Bank of America...

Sure they are.  They have no public stockholders to please.  Ivo is the only
guy who has to be happy with what they do.  It is a big difference.

> just like its customers are no different.

Well, I don't see too many IBM promos out there.  :-)  I wonder how much I
could get for my original 0.9 beta version of Netscape...  :-) :-)

> $42 for a CD...you tool.

Depends on the contents and rarity, really.  Granted, I can only think of 3
single CDs for which I've paid that much or more (and one case of a 2CD set
for which I paid more than double that much), and I wouldn't pay that much for
this particular piece, but I don't have a problem with someone else paying
that much for it.

For me, it's a hobby.  I hardly ever sell stuff (I prefer to trade for other
things I want), though I have been known to very occasionally sell
hard-to-find things I get a second copy of, and I do auction things sometimes.
I don't think it's so different from any other collectible market, except for
the fact that in this case, you can actually use your collectible for your own
pleasure (ie, you can listen to the music), whereas with, say, baseball cards
or coins, you can't really use them in that fashion apart from looking at
them.

If someone wants to hold an auction for something I want, no one is holding a
gun to my head to take out a bank loan so that I can outbid everyone for it.
It's my choice.  If someone wants to give it to whoever writes the best essay,
picks the right number, or responds first at their set price, hey, that's fine
too. I won't grouse too much, as long as the terms of the deal don't change
midstream.

When I was in school and didn't have much money, I didn't complain that I
couldn't afford a lot of these pieces, much as I wanted them.  I couldn't
afford a lot of things.  That's just the way the world works, and as we all
know, the world is not always fair.  *shrug*

My two shekels.

--
Adam J Weitzman ----- Individual, Inc. ----- weitzman@individual.com
"I love the music of the 20th century!" - Bruce Willis, "12 Monkeys"


Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:57:11 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE

              Wed, 13 Mar 1996 09:45:39 -0500

>   ...or there are those like myself who subscribed from an
>   address which is no longer in use/ accessable.....anyone
>   been in this boat before or knows how to get OUT of it?

Sure, plenty of ppl. have had this problem.  This contingency is mentioned more
explicitly in the new web FAQ.  In brief, forge your return address using Eudora
(or a similar program) to send your SIGNOFF message.

-cz


Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 12:56:00 CST
From: Ivan Hernandez (IHernandez@NABORS.COM)
Subject: Re: blockheadbuster. the tumor.


You're right, I got two of them in my Home Town (Maracaibo, Venezuela).
They have some limited good things like Pulp Fiction, but besides that
they suck.

IHV

----------------------[Reply - Original Message]----------------------

Sent by:C=US/A=INTERNET/DDA=ID/4AD-L(a)AMERICAN.EDU
 Dearest listies...
     I'm just posing a question, yes, not too musical in nature, but
Blockbuster Video (evil incarnate ) is growing at an alarming rate
in my neck of the woods. I heard it (the Cancer) had spread overseas,
and that, like here in Lincoln, NE, it's consuming smaller videostores
to feed itself.
     I've detested Blockbuster out of gut feeling for quite some time.
Not only do they seem infinitely jerkish, they also censor (no, they
won't carry Last Temptation of Christ), etc.  So what happens when
they devour all our resources to rent what we want to watch?

                                        *Kendal*

                                        kobermey@unlgrad1.unl.edu

     -->>>http://www.teleport.com/~obee/kendal.html<<<---

===========================================================
==========


Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 14:46:28 -0600
From: monochrome (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: Alainis Morriset


At 01:53 PM 3/13/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>                        joy...wishing that Alannis would just SWALLOW
>>                                her jagged little pill,....and choke.
>>
>><<i agree...i'm not really into mainstream..though, she still has some
>talent>>>>>>
>

...please. fill us in.
WHERE IS THE TALENT??

-e.


Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 15:04:26 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: blockheadbuster. the tumor.


On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, Kendal Myka Obermeyer! wrote:

>      I've detested Blockbuster out of gut feeling for quite some time.
> Not only do they seem infinitely jerkish, they also censor (no, they
> won't carry Last Temptation of Christ), etc.  So what happens when
> they devour all our resources to rent what we want to watch?

Be a pain in their ass. Constantly go in there on busy nights and
deliberately ask if they have movies you know they don't carry. Last
Temptation. Henry & June. Faces of Death. When they say no act indignant
and ask, "Damn. Is there a _good_ video store around here?"

Martin

Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:23:00 PST
From: gur (gur_k@NETVISION.NET.IL) hello all! looking for the apartments first cd "the evening visits" need to buy it or some info where i could find it. thanks gur.

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:22:27 CST
From: Ivan Hernandez (IHernandez@NABORS.COM) Yes I recomend all Bj”rk singles, they are worth the money, that is if you really like her. There is this one that comes together with Isobel, which I can't remember the name right now, which really kicks ass. They usually come in UK versions. IHV (ihernandez@nabors.com)

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 17:09:06 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: "It's naht ah toomah."


>On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, Kendal Myka Obermeyer! wrote:
>>      I've detested Blockbuster out of gut feeling for quite some time.
>> Not only do they seem infinitely jerkish, they also censor (no, they
>> won't carry Last Temptation of Christ), etc.  So what happens when
>> they devour all our resources to rent what we want to watch?
>
>Be a pain in their ass. Constantly go in there on busy nights and
>deliberately ask if they have movies you know they don't carry. Last
>Temptation. Henry & June. Faces of Death. When they say no act indignant
>and ask, "Damn. Is there a _good_ video store around here?"

Even better - find a _good_ video store and patronize it.  Get your friends
to patronize it.  At the same time you and your friends are gaining the
value of a good video rental store that has the sort of films you want,
you're also taking away business from the Bollockbusters Corporate Monolith.
Basically take your business elsewhere and keep those other resources from
being devoured.  Moral support for the little guy is great, but for better
or for a hell of a lot worse, greenbacks talk loudest in Capitalism.

Of course, you could just plain opt to not rent videos at all, or at least
do it under extreme protest (although that latter possibility is more
pathetically funny than anything else...).

Laters,


hk

PS.  Oh yeh, while we're on the very unthislisty subject of Bollockbusters,
could someone tell me why, aside from the blatantly obvious reason of sheer
cluelessness, that they would file videotapes of 'Absolutely Fabulous' in
the "Alternative Lifestlyes" section?  Although I've only seen one or two
episodes, I fail to see the connection.  Could very well be cluelessness on
my part, but I'm just curious.
--
hk@neosoft.com | farrago@delphi.com | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
"'cos you're the latest hotshot britpop poet laureate..." - stephen duffy


Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 18:19:45 -0600
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer! (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: e: "It's naht a toomah." and more blockheadbusters

              little brain" at Mar 13, 96 05:09:06 pm

Aha! I forgot to mention.
     Blockbuster bought out the ONLY good source of movies in the
city. They bought the whole chain. They were throrough in their
malignancy.  And malice ;b.
     So...that's the Big Gripe. :)
                                        *kendal*

>
> >On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, Kendal Myka Obermeyer! wrote:
> >>      I've detested Blockbuster out of gut feeling for quite some time.
> >> Not only do they seem infinitely jerkish, they also censor (no, they
> >> won't carry Last Temptation of Christ), etc.  So what happens when
> >> they devour all our resources to rent what we want to watch?
> >
> >Be a pain in their ass. Constantly go in there on busy nights and
> >deliberately ask if they have movies you know they don't carry. Last
> >Temptation. Henry & June. Faces of Death. When they say no act indignant
> >and ask, "Damn. Is there a _good_ video store around here?"
>
> Even better - find a _good_ video store and patronize it.  Get your friends
> to patronize it.  At the same time you and your friends are gaining the
> value of a good video rental store that has the sort of films you want,
> you're also taking away business from the Bollockbusters Corporate Monolith.
> Basically take your business elsewhere and keep those other resources from
> being devoured.  Moral support for the little guy is great, but for better
> or for a hell of a lot worse, greenbacks talk loudest in Capitalism.
>
> Of course, you could just plain opt to not rent videos at all, or at least
> do it under extreme protest (although that latter possibility is more
> pathetically funny than anything else...).
>
> Laters,
>
>
> hk
>
> PS.  Oh yeh, while we're on the very unthislisty subject of Bollockbusters,
> could someone tell me why, aside from the blatantly obvious reason of sheer
> cluelessness, that they would file videotapes of 'Absolutely Fabulous' in
> the "Alternative Lifestlyes" section?  Although I've only seen one or two
> episodes, I fail to see the connection.  Could very well be cluelessness on
> my part, but I'm just curious.
> --
> hk@neosoft.com | farrago@delphi.com | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
> "'cos you're the latest hotshot britpop poet laureate..." - stephen duffy
>

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 20:44:50 EST
From: "B. Johnson" (76322.3516@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: DCD Video


Greetings.

Seeking the "Toward the Within" video.

Bradley.


Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 20:28:11 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD Video


On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, B. Johnson wrote:

> Greetings.
>
> Seeking the "Toward the Within" video.
>
Where do you live? This still should be available on the video racks of
most music stores.

Martin

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 20:21:24 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: "It's naht ah toomah."


On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, a bear of very little brain wrote:

> Even better - find a _good_ video store and patronize it.  Get your friends

Sadly, Blockbuster is one of those evil corporate monoliths that enjoys
swooping down on a region and destroying all of the mom-n-pop businesses
that have thrived there for years. For many people BB is the only rental
game in town. :(

What is ironic and so indicative of their corporate mindlessness is that
the backlashes they fear will occur if they rent videos Bob Dole would
not approve of simply do not happen. We all remember the big deal they
made of the fact they were not going to carry Last Temptation of Christ,
and the filthy porno movie Henry & June. Thing is, none of the videos
stores I know of who _did_ carry it were picketed, by anybody.
Blockbuster clearly thinks they're more important than they are. Sadly,
Hollywood is stupid enough to think so too.
 >
> Of course, you could just plain opt to not rent videos at all, or at least
> do it under extreme protest (although that latter possibility is more
> pathetically funny than anything else...).

No shit. Read a book!
>
> PS.  Oh yeh, while we're on the very unthislisty subject of Bollockbusters,
> could someone tell me why, aside from the blatantly obvious reason of sheer
> cluelessness, that they would file videotapes of 'Absolutely Fabulous' in
> the "Alternative Lifestlyes" section?  Although I've only seen one or two
> episodes, I fail to see the connection.  Could very well be cluelessness on
> my part, but I'm just curious.

"Alternative Lifestyles" is the section in Blockbuster featuring anything
that doesn't star Michael J. Fox.

Martin

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 20:01:35 +0000 ignored. ignored. ignored.
From: Undetermined origin c/o LISTSERV maintainer
Subject: Re: Alanis Morriset


   Yawn.  Just what I want to read on the 4AD list - a
self-reassurance circle jerk about (Insert random big-selling  pop
figure here).  Don't worry guys!  You're still cooler than the
mainstream!

   -Mike

> At 01:53 PM 3/13/96 -0500, you wrote:
> >>                        joy...wishing that Alannis would just SWALLOW
> >>                                her jagged little pill,....and choke.
> >>
> >><< >i agree...i'm not really into mainstream..though, she still has some
> >talent>>>>>>
> >
>
> ...please. fill us in.
> WHERE IS THE TALENT??
>
> -e.
>
>