Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 20:56:17 -0800
we have on this list, I think it's appropriate to discuss...
Ed Wakabayashi writes:
>I always thought a lottery was a fair way of doing business, as long as
>not interested in gouging the buyer. It could be something as simple as
>'pick a number between 1-100' or you could set something up a little more
To explain why I think this is a bad idea, let me tell you of a real
dweeb in my college dorm who had an auto-dialer on his phone and
delighted in being 'caller number one' and winning free concert tickets
from local radio stations. He generally didn't care who the tickets were
for and when he got the tickets would either throw them away or give them
to the first person he could find who would take them. (Kind of like
'sportsmen' who kill an animal and then leave the carcass behind.) Hardly
seems fair to people who are real fans and would appreciate the tickets
If you make something free you open up the competition to people who
barely care. How much do I want a copy of "Lilliput"? Not much. If there
were a lottery to give away a copy, would I enter? Sure, because it would
be kind of interesting to have. Again, this seems unfair to people who
really, really want a copy. If someone wants it bad enough to part with
some real money, and I don't, why should it go to me just because I was
luckier that day?
A couple of other ideas:
* Make people write essays on why they want it and pick the best one.
Drawback: Unfair to those who are not native English speakers and those
* Limit all prices to, say, $40.
Drawback: Distorts the market. The richer people end up in the
situation above; I know
people who might pay $40 for "Lilliput" just because it's rare, even
though they don't
care that much about it. And of course it leaves open vast profit
opportunities if you
buy for $40 and then advertise it in Goldmine for $200...
In general the problem is that you want to give an item to the person who
wants it most. The best way to tell who wants it most is to find out who
values it most highly, i.e. who will sacrifice the most for it. "Put your
money where your mouth is". Money is the traditional means of determining
value in all societies. Maybe you could base the rankings on what
fraction of their annual income people would be willing to buy it for...
Jens Alfke [email protected]
Dinosaurs early, dinosaurs later,
Dinosaurs jammed in an elevator! ________________________
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 20:56:22 -0800
Here are the Dewdrops reviews of the last Rollerskate
Skinny album. The new one is called
_Horsedrawn Wishes_ and is on Warner Bros. with cat.no. 45943.
(Beggar's Banquet #92325)
Every so often a band comes along that throws all established
conventions into a meat grinder and comes up with something unique and
more than the sum of its parts, a synergy Rollerskate Skinny shares
with the likes of His Name Is Alive, The Boo Radleys and Dogbowl. It's
an unlikely name for a band with assurances that the album cover will
turn you off to the point of revulsion. But once you get past all of
that, the music takes you by the collar into their secret space after,
oh something like five listens. Most of Shoulder Voices is simply and
forcibly just plain weird. Nothing is taken for granted and every
track has a "let's try this" attitude without sounding at all
experimental. I think the band (Jimi Shields - drums, Ger Griffin -
guitar, Stevie M - bass and Ken Griffin - vocals and keyboards, with
everyone also listed as guitars and vocals) comes from some closely
parallel universe where things are just a bit warped and tilted askew,
and people just think differently from us. Some of the tracks use
noise effectively to create an atmosphere of controlled chaos where it
sounds like a gazillion things are going on unconnected and yet the
song has an attractive structure that keeps evolving. Slower, droning
sorts such as "Lunasa"s Perry Farrrell like falsetto chant of stepping
on hot coals, and "Bella"s otherworldly mixture of loops and samples
keep company with aggressive numbers like "Miss Leader", the
cut-throat "Violence To Violence" and the sheer cacophony / pop
delight of "Bow Hitch-Hiker." Various strengths include great use of
noise and distortion, a variety of voices and vocal effects,
flute-like sounds, and jangle / strum lead and rhythm guitar. It's all
pretty delightful once it begins to click in your subconscious. After
a month of not hearing it, I'm welcoming each and every song back with
a marveling "wow!" 10 lilies -- bn
A veritable grab-bag of musical mayhem, Rollerskate Skinny seems to
defy all categorization. Weirder than King Missile, harder than Sonic
Youth, more whacked out than Muttongun, but then, when you least
expect it, more blissful than His Name Is Alive at their ethermost.
"Miss Leader" dives right into the scary underbelly of Rollerskate,
with its cacophony of whining guitars and howling vocals which somehow
compel you to come closer due to its sweet melody. "Lunasa" goes into
Porno For Pyros mode, breathy vocals and all. "Bring On Stigmata"
sounds a lot like the Wolfgang Press crossed with Dogbowl. "Bow
hitch-hiker" comes out as the penetratingly happy ditty that
Rollerskate does best. Jim Shields belts out a Dogbowl-tinged stream
of maniac vocals that somehow manage to go down smoothly, like an
ugly, but not entirely tasteless pill. "Some Give Birth" squeaks and
squeals about in Swirlies land. And even the Boo Radleys get their
moment as "Shallow Thunder" and "So Far Down Up to Heaven" incorporate
those out-of-place keyboard tinklings and rustic horn arrangements
that the Boos perfected. It's a very strange trip, with enough
sideways twists to offend nearly anyone's musical sensibilities at one
time or another. The "Sgt. Peppers" of the '90s (or not), Rollerskate
Skinny deserves a place in every complete archive of the
insane-but-lovable. 8 lilies -- pm
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:41:36 -0500
...if everybody could please take one minute of their time to send
profane reply to this numbskull, perhaps he will be less likely to invade
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 23:16:17 -0700
...while perusing the record store last week i heard a beautiful
fuzzyguitar song in the fsa vain (but better!) playing. upon inquiring
about said song i was presented with one windy & carl 7" called emerald
(b/w fragments of time & space) for which i quickly shelled out the cash.
what a gem this is! this is everything i ever wanted in a
so, my question: does anyone know anything about this band? apparently
this 7" came out on enraptured records in an intial batch of 500 that
sold out. the one i have is from a ltd. repress of 300. it also appears
that w&c have a song on a 10" comp. of silver apples tributes called
anyway, i apologize if i missed intial discussion of this band.
...and oh, guess where w&c are from? ......you guessed it! michigan.
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 00:16:42 -0600
>...if everybody could please take one minute of their time to send
>profane reply to this numbskull, perhaps he will be less likely to invade
Either that, or he'd be so embittered, he could make it his life's crusade
to invade every mailing list with some sort of mersh announcement. I dunno,
up until recently, I'd really wondered whether there were such a thing as
justified persecution. I'm still pondering this question, but I'm a shade
more inclined to say yes.
But anyway, I'm sure all you Austin listies know this already, but Throwing
Muses are playing the South by Southwest (or should that be Mouth by
Mouthwest?) Conference this Thursday night. Kinda forgot which venue, but I
thought I'd at least include some mildly music-related item in this ongoing
onslaught against rampant net.mercantilism (huzzah huzzah).
[email protected] and [email protected] or http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/
"make a fist of my heart, make it strong..." - spoonfed hybrid
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 01:48:11 CST
here's some irony for ya all! i sent this post to the list, and it was
returned to me b/c it said that the message looked like a listserv command.
now why doesn't this happen to the five or six people a week who petition
the list for help in unsubbing?
>i can't unsub from this list! ;)
>no, not really. i just was wondering if anyone out there has a copy of the
>field mice compilation, "coastal," they'd be willing to part with. i made
>the mistake of remembering that the two or three songs i'd heard by them
>were cool shortly after sarah ceased pressing (is that the correct word for
>cds?) cds. i've found, "for keeps," but i really want coastal as it has
>"let's kiss and make up," and "if you need someone."
>long live wimpy pop!
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:08:47 -0800
So what's the story on the Warren Defever list? Is it set up?
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:35:26 -0800
Last night featured the Cindytalk show in Corona, CA,
an hour or so from Los Angeles "out in the middle of
nowhere." I have come to the conclusion that I just don't
have the gene that clues me in to why on Earth this band
is so great. I have never understood this cult following that
Cindytalk seems to have, having heard both parts of
In This World and a bit of Wappinschaw and being
completely unimpressed, and after seeing them
last night, it's about as clear as mud colored dark black.
I admit that Gordon Sharp has quite a voice, but beyond that
there's nothing for me. I'm sure I'll probably unintentionally
annoy some people here, but to me last night's show was
definitely the worst I have ever been to. Starting off
with "The First Time Ever..." was nice, with Gordon in his
cute little red dress, and even the piercing blasts of noise
that immediately followed were cool, but after that it never,
ever let up from a long, hard grind of gothic-industrial
dirges, almost completely lacking in any sort of melody.
Which is probably fine if you're into this sort of thing;
for me, however, it was unbearable and tedious.
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:40:44 +0000
Apologies to those on both lists.
"Tarantula" is only available this week (as the chap in the shop
explained to another customer, that just means the shops can't order any
more copies, not that it won't be hanging around in the racks for
several months). It's not a bad album - not as weedy as "Carnival of
Light", but it's not up to the standard of "Going Blank Again", let
alone their first EPs. Three quarters of it written by Andy Bell, he's
thankfully ditched most of the hippy nonsense but the lyrics are still a
dismal amalgam of cliches. Musically it veers between Stone Roses (1995
version) and Oasis with the repellent oafish macho posturing replaced by
Ride's slightly fey dreaminess. In short, it rocks - though having
listened to a fair amount of Frank Zappa's early seventies stuff
recently, I wasn't too impressed by the wah-wah guitar solos or the
electric piano tinkling. I think casual fans are probably better off
with the "Black Nite Crash" single - the album is basically three times
as much of the same thing. Not the best way for the band to end, but a
slight recovery after the nadir of the last album.
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 12/03/96
[email protected], http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:37:11 GMT
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 08:21:11 -0500
Just got an advance copy of Milk and Kisses in the mail....
Track listing, if yer interested, as follows:
seekers who are lovers
Total Running Time is something like 43 minutes.
My review will be in two small parts: the first dealing with songs which
have already been released (albeit in different version), and then songs
which have not.
Violane----possibly my favorite track on the lp, and sounds almost nothing
like the version which opens the 'otherness' ep. funky, driving,
almost meanacing. ultimate gobbeldygook vocal/lyrical style.
Rilkean Heart---guitars overdubbed into oblivion replace the simple piano
accomp. found on 'twinlights'. Very trippy vocal overdubs
on this one too.
Seekers Who Are Lovers--cant 'hear' the version found on 'otherness'
while listening to this version. soooo different.
i like it. again very trippy, again BBK-era
lyric delevery (obscured, impossible, birdlike.)
half-gifts--------i must say that this one sounds a bit too corny for my
tastes. this, from a fan who found 'frosty' not at all
corny. Calypso backbeat/casio keyboard demo rhythm spoils
the delicacy in lyric. i like the one on 'twinlights' much
more. perhaps this one will grow on me...
tishbite-----------this is about to be released as another fan exploitation
crazy crazy crazy vocal overdubs. gorgeous. plush.
probably the one to be on your local alternative
radio staton. reminds me of the effect of 'Lorelei'
(excuse my spelling). super super sweet sound almost
repellently smooth and sparkley. beautiful!
Overall, i think this is a fantastic album. Markedly different approach
than in FCC. Production sounds less gadgety, more emphasis on guitar
performance. Vocals get more looped, more patched on this one than in
either FCC or HOLV. Album cuts i especially like are UPS and EPERDU.
I give it a big pow-wow.
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 08:43:13 -0600
On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, daniel klyn wrote:
> ...if everybody could please take one minute of their time to send
> profane reply to this numbskull, perhaps he will be less likely to invade
> other lists?
IT'S DEALT WITH! Cyberhighway.net has disabled the guy's account. Now can
we please see NO MORE POSTINGS with MCI in the subject line? It ends...HERE!
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 08:21:15 +0000
> As for The Wolfgang Press (are they still on topic?), I think people are
> way too harsh on "Cut the Tree" and "The Burden of Mules". The latter is,
> I think the most original record they've made. My favorite's got to be the
> EP (dang, can't remember the name) with "Ecstasy" which always puts me in
> mind of Spaghetti Westerns, "Respect" and the one that might be called
> "Give Me What I Deserve". Around the time of its release, "Give Me What I
> Deserve" was something of a live fave which they used to close their shows.
A great EP, but the _Sweatbox_ EP is far superior, with the disco
craze of "Sweatbox", the Latinized "I'm Coming Home (Mama)," and who
could have thought Neil Young's "Heart of Gold" could be twisted and
mutated into the post-punk glory of "Heart of Stone."
_Burden of Mules_, however, is not very original, but is *extremely*
derivative of early PiL. It is good, though, and I sure wish it
would be reissued on CD. But TWP does not become original until the
three EPs compiled on _The Legendary Tales..._
Would whomever it is who posted about TWP breaking up please cite
their source, and give us info on what is happening next. I think I
read a magazine article saying something similar, but than six months
later _FLD_ was released.
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 13:21:32 GMT
[email protected] wrote:
>As far as mailing lists, I believe it's the same case as was a year ago when
>someone suggested (and tried??) a Cocteau Twins mailing list, but there
>simply wasn't enough traffic for a single band of the 4AD-genre.
The Cocteau Twins mailing list is doing very nicely thank you. Can't
remember what the subscribe command is, but try sending
subscribe jwgrote_cocteau firstname lastname
If it doesn't work, you should get some help sent instead.
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 10:51:26 -0500
Hey what's up with you?
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 10:34:53 -0500
Hmmmmm....while i agree with you that Burden of Mules is an unoriginal
release, even though it was their first, i always thought it was a
semi-Birthday Party rip-off! The way whathisface sings on that record
sounds a little like nick cave and the music is quite brash and bombastic,
like an old Birthday Party lp. I figured that it wasn't
until later on, that TWP came into their own original sound (musically and
Early PiL? Hmmm.....i guess i should drag that one out again and play it!
On Tue, 12 Mar 1996, Jason Wintz wrote:
> _Burden of Mules_, however, is not very original, but is *extremely*
> derivative of early PiL. It is good, though, and I sure wish it
> would be reissued on CD. But TWP does not become original until the
> three EPs compiled on _The Legendary Tales..._
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 10:59:20 -0500
Nice article on 'twins and fontana relationship, marketing plan for
milk and kisses, on the web at: http://www.dotmusic.com/MWtalenttwins.html
though'cha might like to know
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 10:38:44 -0500
On Tue, 12 Mar 1996, Martin Wagner wrote:
> IT'S DEALT WITH! Cyberhighway.net has disabled the guy's account. Now can
> we please see NO MORE POSTINGS with MCI in the subject line? It ends...HERE!
...take a big, deep breath, and then slowly exhale. one two three...
there, that's much better isnt it. now, dislodge the bug from your ass,
and think calm, happy thoughts.
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 17:09:47 +0000
I'm off on the overnight coach to Edinburgh now,
so I'll just unsubscribe, and you'll be receiving some
more Lushreports from me on Monday 18th March,
r.e. Edinburgh, Glasgow, Derby and Manchester...
No more work 'til Monday...
"Lets run away and be so alive
Skip the drudgery of this 9 to 5..."
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 12:29:28 EST
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 15:40:47 -0600
Does anyone have 4ad videos (official vid, concerts, etc.) to trade?
I'm especially looking for the AVAM and LIAE compilation videos and any
Pixies, TMC, DCD, HNIA videos or concerts. Or anything else... :)
I have lots of non-4ad video material to trade, as well as a couple DCD
things (the official TtW videotape and the film Baraka). E-mail me if
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 10:36:54 -0800
>_Burden of Mules_, however, is not very original, but is *extremely*
>derivative of early PiL. It is good, though, and I sure wish it
>would be reissued on CD.
Actually, it was (although I believe it was in limited quantities). I
haven't actually seen a copy, but I've seen people selling them before.
You know you've seen a lot of RHP shows when you're singing along with the
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 19:10:42 -0500
>Hey, out there remember me I am te one who went off about unscribing to
this list. Apparently a number of you took offense and felt that I was
directing my comments twoard them. This is not true, in fack the only
people (if you can call them that) I was directing my insults to were the
server or whoever set up the programs. I apologize to any of the innocent
>Here is a tip for the creatores of such discussion group lists. I is quite
possible that I made a mistake and I will acept that. I do though feel that
you still do not have the right to be such pompus ass holes to humans who
apperently are unlike perfect godlike individuals as you. So once again
bit me mister list manager, I do not take kindly to being belittled over the
internet. I feel that if anyone has an opinion on the same line to say
"Fuck The List!" There are plenty of other inteactive forums which the same
topic can be discussed. Peace I out.
>Fuck The List!!!
>"So kiss me cunt, so kiss me cock,
> so kiss the world, so kiss the skie,
>so kiss my ass and let it ride!"
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 19:21:08 -0600
Just got Chandeen=B4s Jutland. As far as i can say, it=B4s one of the best
things i=B4ve heard recently. The music is completely thislisty (for those=
you who haven=B4t herad them... for me it=B4s my first time) and reminds me=
lot of the Cocteaus minus Robin=B4s guitar (circa Victorialand) and TMC.=
on Hyperium and it=B4s definitively worth getting it. If someone is=
I may get this one for about $8 or $9.
Also, on 4AD stuff, i recieved my copy of The Moon and the melodies... it=B4=
what everyone said it was... EXCELLENT! My favorite tracks were the ones
were Liz sings, although the rest is very, very good. Thanks for the
discussion, it helped me get a beautiful disc.
Gotta do more listening,
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 20:53:51 -0500
On the subject of paying inflated prices for things we "gotta have", does
anyone realize that PERDITIONS PLASTICS does, according to a very recent
letter I received from them, have "ten copies (of HNIA's "King of Sweet" CD)
for sale on a first come, first serve basis"?
The thing is, here's the price...
$50 U.S. and $54 Foreign Orders
Is this not insane?
If you are insane enough (or rich enough or both) than the address is
Perditions Plastics. 4216 N. Damen, Chicago, IL. 60618. FAX and PHONE are
They also keep all request letters on file in case some more "turn up" (i.e.
the folks at Perditions are starving enough to sell their own).
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 17:49:10 -0800
Okay, a couple questions for y'all:
1) I noticed in the eyesore database there's a listing for an HNIA song on a
split Soil Samples 7" that isn't on any of their albums called "darling".
Anyone heard it? Also, what is on the other side (so I know what to look for).
2) I'm heading back down home, behind the great Orange Curtain again this
weekend. I think I've pretty much found all I'm gonna find on Melrose, so I
was wondering if anyone could point me to some more out-of-the-way places in
the LA/Long Beach area.
Who still needs a copy of that Dance Chapter 12"...