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Subject: Solid State/Tarnation/Curse?
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 00:26:21 -0500
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: is morrissey on topic now?
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:55:09 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: is morrissey on topic now?
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 00:29:42 -0600
From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Re: Solid State/Tarnation/Curse?
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 01:52:33 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: NEW FLAT RATE LONG DISTANCE CALLING PLAN FROM MCI 11.9 PER
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 03:21:33 -0800
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: Pixel Cam
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 11:01:57 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Tarnation/TWP
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 11:02:00 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: that mci guy, weird question
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 09:59:38 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: TWP/Lush Cover/Widespread Social Ills
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 09:02:22 -0800
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: A refutation of Minty, point by point
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 12:11:20 -0500
From: condensed milk sandwich (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Tarnation/TWP
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 11:34:14 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Lay offa my scorn...
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 10:31:45 -0800
From: Vada Pinson (brettg@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Curse? (i.e. Cocteau Twins)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:22:50 -0500
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: elvis hitler will rokk your world
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 11:48:28 -0800
From: ESP Sunshine (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: MCI's phone #
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:54:53 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: the mci guy (again)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:26:54 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shaving the Pavement (Chicago dates?)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:45:06 -0600
From: Steven Szaks (gszaks@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: RE: My God, I only made a simple mistake
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:42:32 CST
From: "the boy in zinc" (eewittme@students.wisc.edu)
Subject: Re: NEW FLAT RATE LONG DISTANCE CALLING PLAN FROM MCI 11.9 PER
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:12:20 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lay offa my scorn...
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:56:33 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: ...Minty, point by point
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 19:50:00 -0500
From: HEYHENRY@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Rykodisc offers forum for Muses fans
Date: 5 Mar 1996 12:33:53 -0500
From: thrilly@aol.com (Thrilly)

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 00:26:21 -0500
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: Solid State/Tarnation/Curse?


I was browsing through magazines today and noticed in MM that Solid State
have finished an album produced by one of the Grifters; no release date was
mentioned--anyone know of this? It doesn't sound like 4AD is going to release
it.

Speaking of recordings 4AD aren't going to release, I also noticed in the Ivo
interview in the new AP that Tarnation were picked up by Warner Brothers.
Left 4AD already?

I have a theory that MOST bands release post-4AD recordings are "cursed" to
lose a little or a lot of artistic greatness. See for yourself:

The Birthday Party
Modern English
Cocteau Twins
Xymox
Frank Black
Bettie Serveert (but only a tiny bit!)
Underground Lovers

And I doubt the next RHP and TWP are going to blow us all away...well, at
least Bauhaus didn't get any worse.


Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:55:09 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: is morrissey on topic now?


> i can only wish that he were...

Well you know, the more we ignore him...

Mike

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 00:29:42 -0600
From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM) TMParade Oh so wrongly wrote: >I have a theory that MOST bands release post-4AD recordings are "cursed" to >lose a little or a lot of artistic greatness. See for yourself: >The Birthday Party >Modern English >Cocteau Twins >Xymox OK, Cocteau twins have not been cursed, no no...i believe they released great albums, yes even FCC, but if you expect every album to be as great as the previous albums, you sure hold all the bands to very high standards. Granted these are 4AD bands, but still human. Well, maybe not xymox, as they seem to have fallen into some pit of non-human tastes, and cant get up. Stop dumping on my cocteaus! Oh THE HUMANITY! Ernesto

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 01:52:33 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Solid State/Tarnation/Curse?


>I have a theory that MOST bands release post-4AD recordings are "cursed" to
>lose a little or a lot of artistic greatness. See for yourself:
>
>The Birthday Party
>Modern English
>Cocteau Twins
>Xymox
>Frank Black
>Bettie Serveert (but only a tiny bit!)
>Underground Lovers

Err, I dunno about artistic greatness, although I would say that all but one
of these bands had thoroughly lost my interest by the time they left 4AD.
The Birthday Party, however, remain one of the very few bands in my book
that has been consistently great from day one to their posthumous hosannahs
(recent Pew-less reunion notwithstanding), but I largely credit the band's
collective freewheeling lifestyles for that.

But anyway, something I wonder is whether or how a band's artistic value is
related to the contractual or otherwise links with its record label.  I get
the feeling that a lot of bands that are perceived to go downhill after
leaving a particular label have usually shot their creative wad sometime
prior to the transition and that they're mainly bailing for a bigger advance
cheque.

And then there are exceptions to the rule who seem to thrive creatively no
matter which corporate (or not-so-overtly-corporate) sugar daddy is footing
the bill.  The Wedding Present seem to be a good example thereof, as they
seem to crank out great records one after the other, for one label after
another (although folks might have nits to pick with 'Watusi,' but I happen
to like that album as well...).

>And I doubt the next RHP and TWP are going to blow us all away...well, at
>least Bauhaus didn't get any worse.

Again, I don't know/care about TWP (at least post-'Queer'), but I'll keep
hoping for the best w/ RHP.  What I've heard of their post-'Ocean Beach'
material has been quite... um, mindblowing, to say the least, so I remain
guardedly optimistic on that one.

Laters,


hk
--
hk@neosoft.com and farrago@delphi.com or http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/
"make a fist of my heart, make it strong..." - spoonfed hybrid


Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 10:43:24 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: Re: NEW FLAT RATE LONG DISTANCE CALLING PLAN FROM MCI 11.9 PER

              MINUTE INTERSTATE

What the hell is this advertisement doing on the list?

jeh

On Sun, 10 Mar 1996, [removed] wrote:

> HERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO SAVE MONEY NOW ON ALL YOUR LONG DISTANCE CALLS.
> We offer a flat 11.9 cents a minute rate to calls placed anywhere in the
> U.S. interstate including alaska and hawaii billed in 6 second
> increments 24 hours a day 7 days a week.  No monthly service charge. No
> hidden fees. Free to switch. Business or Residential.
> Direct inquires to,
> Mr. [removed]   Thank You
>

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 11:01:57 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Pixel Cam


hk farragonian!

>>Anyone out there have a pixel-cam they'd wanna get rid of for cheap?<<

My roommate has one. What sort of price range did you have in mind. I'll ask
him.

Bye-bye,

Roy

P.S. Are there any decent record stores in Lubbock, TX? I'll have to be there
in June for my brother's wedding.

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 11:02:00 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Tarnation/TWP


Halo!

>>Speaking of recordings 4AD aren't going to release, I also noticed in the
Ivo interview in the new AP that Tarnation were picked up by Warner Brothers.
Left 4AD already?<<

In the states on Warners and most likely (99.9%) on 4AD for Europe.

>>And I doubt the next RHP and TWP are going to blow us all away...well, at
least Bauhaus didn't get any worse.<<

TWP are no more (according to a very reputable source who's most likely
reading this very post).

=o(

Bye-bye,

Roy

P.S. In A.P., the photos of Mark Kozelek and Ivo are strikingly similar. What
does this mean? Ponder ponder.

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 09:59:38 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: that mci guy, weird question


if everyone bounces this message back to this guy about 20 times, maybe
he'll leave us alone in the future.

here's what i did:

let's see how you like getting unwanted mail.

>HERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO SAVE MONEY NOW ON ALL YOUR LONG DISTANCE CALLS.
>We offer a flat 11.9 cents a minute rate to calls placed anywhere in the
>U.S. interstate including alaska and hawaii billed in 6 second
>increments 24 hours a day 7 days a week.  No monthly service charge. No
>hidden fees. Free to switch. Business or Residential.
>Direct inquires to,
>Mr. Brian Krater at [removed]   Thank You

btw, does anyone have any good recipies that call for coconut milk?  i'm
serious.

please reply to that privately, since the list neither wants to be nor needs
to be cluttered with talk of recipies and the like.

BiZ


Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 09:02:22 -0800
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: TWP/Lush Cover/Widespread Social Ills


On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Dewdrops Records wrote:

> Queer. In which TWP becomes a lame dance band. One or two
> songs are worthwhile, but in short: it sucks. I see no experimentation
> or originality. Don't even bother.

        I just want to cast a dissenting opinion from Beavis and Butthead's
and say that I think _Queer_ is a great album.  I sense that Brant Nelson
is using "lame" and "dance" synonymously in his statement.  Brant, if
you aren't, could you share your opinions on some unlame dance bands?

        As for TWP being white guys that understand funk, I think true funk
isn't to be understood.  I think most "purveyors of funk" would agree.

        As for Lush confusing some 4AD-ers with their single's cover
(which I haven't even seen or am interested in seeing), I say "MORE
POWER TO THEM."  I hope for their next cover they hire the artist that
paints all the Iron Maiden covers to put a menacing skeleton on there.
Now that would frighten the fans.  And the "rap guy" who picked up
_Lovelife_ because of the cover and wanted to hear some more from Lush.

        On a more general note:  I believe some social ills, like racism, come
from the need of most humans to categorize and place things in little boxes
and to fear and reject things that are too foreign to them that don't fit in
their "correct" box.
        So it's Sunday and I'm feeling like a sermon,
        David.

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 12:11:20 -0500
From: condensed milk sandwich (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: A refutation of Minty, point by point


Sorry to post this to the list, but this really needs addressing, as inane
as it is:

>Basically, I'm really sick of people (including assholes like myself

How do you live with yourself then?

>who are
>deliberately trying to provoke people out of complete boredom, but hey what
>do you expect from an AOLer),

I don't expect anything in particular from AOLers, but I did used to wonder
why they got such a bad rap on the whole.

>crowding up the place with, "Hey You!!! Stop
>talking about that...

Except that there are certain topics that are suitable for discussion on
this list and others that would be more at home on countless other lists,
newsgroups. It's tough, but you'll just have to deal with it.

>by the way I just love Projekt and being a senstive,
>gloomy type who's stuck in the past...

Ouch. Luckily, I'm not offended by that in the least, but you're going to
catch hell for that from *someone* on this list, that's for sure.

>and quit using so many excalamation
>marks...because they are black and I hate black because I'm a rascist!!!!!

How about you come up with an argument that has some semblance of logic
about it, and then we'll see about whether you're right or wrong?

>P.S. lovliescrushing may be a good band but their name is one of the truest
>manifestations of crap in the free world!
>Besides, the 1 or 2 Morrisssey references don't even begin to make up for the
>mounds upon mounds of non-4AD bullshit (including that lovliescrushing Scott
>Cortez "Here I Am" crap...WHO CARES!!!!!)

Maybe if you knew how to spell their name, it might make a bit more sense to
you and you wouldn't be such a postliterate, flame-happy whinger. For the
record, Scott amply explained why he was posting: because some people wanted
to know what was happening with LLC (yes, they did!) and to correct any
false impressions created by speculation and misinformation floating around
the list.

>MINTY isn't a MAN. He is a
>BASTARD!
[extraneous adolescent punctuation deleted]

You're damn right you're not a man. In fact, I'd wager you're not even any
kind of adult at all, judging by how immature you are acting. I suggest you
unsubscribe and not come back until you're all grown up and you've learned
not to get upset by the fact that people don't always discuss what you would
like. Actually, you might as well stay on the list - everyone seems to have
added you to their killfile anyway.

Larry

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 11:34:14 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Tarnation/TWP


> TWP are no more (according to a very reputable source who's most likely
> reading this very post).
>
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

moran@hal-pc.org


Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 10:31:45 -0800
From: Vada Pinson (brettg@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lay offa my scorn...


>
> I take exception to THAT comparison, and the impression it conveys of one
> of the more interesting bands of recent years..  Middle-period Scorn
> (Collosus, Evanescence) was as original as they come in fringe rock,
> cross germinating dub with their roots in grindcore, much as Seefeel did
> with dub and shoegaze.
>

A friend of mine taped me a copy of Evanescnce. I would hardly call it
original. I thought of it as low rent nine inch nails.

Brett


Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 14:22:50 -0500
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Curse? (i.e. Cocteau Twins)


Let me clarify something here: The Cocteaus are a great band and I love them,
but their Fontana recordings haven't stood up to BBK or HoLV (my favorite CT
albums). Hope springs eternal?

Speaking of Hope and CT, the Cocteaus and Mazzy Star are going to be on the
soundtrack for "Stealing Beauty" in May.


Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 11:48:28 -0800
From: ESP Sunshine (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: elvis hitler will rokk your world


  elvis hitler are fun, if you like cheesy evil in-yer-gut
  "hellbilly". part rockabilly, part something else...warren
  played on the 3 EH releases and then moved on to greener
  and calmer pastures..focussing his attention on hnia and
  leaving bro and company to their own devices. he doesn't
  play with them nowadays...unless he feels the itch to
  be supersadomasochistic once more?


  shove that sax,
  k-j

  ...the new muppet show is pretty darn kool...


Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:54:53 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: MCI's phone #


i couldn't find MCI's customer service # (maybe someone else could post it?)
here's their service/sales phone #:  1-800-950-5555.  that's the consumer
sales/service number.  i strongly urge all of you to call and complain about
this unwanted solicitation, (particularly since it's a toll-free number and
thus their expense) so that it doesn't happen again in the future.  just in
case you didn't save your old mail, the guy's name is Brian Krater.  make
sure you give 'em the name.

thanks,

BiZ, who's got a phone call to make

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:26:54 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: the mci guy (again)


i called mci (the person they ended up transferring me to was at the number
1-800-955-5210).  she did some checking on this brian krater fellow, and she
couldn't even find him on the data base of current employees.  he may be
running some kind of scam (which would explain why he plans on becoming a
millionaire).  she gave me their e-mail complaint address, which is:

690-5444@mcimail.com

she suggested i e-mail them to file an official complaint, and said she'd
forward this guy's name to her supervisor, who would get back to me and let
me know what was going on.  she also thought it was really odd that this guy
wasn't using an mcimail account to solicit.

anyway, e-mail the above address and complain about Brian Krater (or
[removed]) so this kind of thing doesn't happen againg.

BiZ

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:45:06 -0600
From: Steven Szaks (gszaks@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shaving the Pavement (Chicago dates?)

              "Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group" at Mar 8, 96 12:22:15 pm

>
> I  called the 4AD hotline a few days ago, but no word on specific dates for th

> 'Shaving the Pavement' tour.  Does anyone on the list know of a tentative date
> + location for a Chicago show?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tom
> thomulka.worldgroup@notes.compuserve.com
>

please post this info to the list for all of us chicago people!!!
steve


Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:42:32 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Fw: RE: My God, I only made a simple mistake


here's what that bastard from mci had to say when i confronted him about
posting commercial solicitations to newsgroups/mailing lists, and what i
said back.  as soon as i get offline, i'm going to find mci's customer
service number, call them, and complain about this guy, who was foolish
enough to give us his full name.  i'll post the number when i'm online
again.  if all 400+ of us call and complain about this guy (and kind souls
forward this to other lists he's hit), my guess is that they'll take some
sort of action to deter his little spree.

BiZ

------------------------------
From: "the boy in zinc" (eewittme@students.wisc.edu) Sun, 10 Mar 96 15:37:55 CST
Subject: RE: My God, I only made a simple mistake


>> >Mr. Brian Krater at [removed]
>Thank You I just made a simple mistake.

it's obvious from the nature of your reply that you don't believe what you
did was a mistake, seeing as how you plan to continue to do this and make
MILLIONS of dollars.

>I can't believe you would actually
>spend the energy to respond with such an imature attitude.

and i can't believe you don't know that immature is spelled with two m's.

I plan on
>becoming a millionare in 2 years with this program.

in the meantime, think about the people who get internet access from a payed
provider.  (this does not include me.)  they have to pay money to download
commercial solicitations that they, for the most part, have no interest in
reading.  now why do you think that anonymous solicitation over the internet
is frowned upon?  because if it was rampant, the internet
would slowly die as people thought, "i'm not paying x dollars/month just to
get 30 messages about a topic that's relevant to my life and 300 commercial
solicitations."  not to mention the waste of bandwidth people such as
yourself create.

>Its too bad you don't
>get it in this life.
>sincerely.
>Brian Krater
>P.s. It's funny you tried to upset me by sending me several messages but
>my computer is so fucking fast that its no problem.

but you'll have to delete them all sometime, won't you?  if it was no
problem, why did you bother to write back to me in the first place?

BiZ

Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:12:20 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: NEW FLAT RATE LONG DISTANCE CALLING PLAN FROM MCI 11.9 PER

              MINUTE INTERSTATE

        I suggest that everyone forward this message right back to this
person.


Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:56:33 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Lay offa my scorn...


Brett wrote:
>A friend of mine taped me a copy of Evanescnce. I would hardly call it
>original. I thought of it as low rent nine inch nails.

That sound you didn't hear was my jaw hitting the ground. I just don't
see where you'd find any similarities other than the obvious in that
they're both using a lot of beatboxes, samplers and guitars.
I'm not sure whether "Evanescence" came out before "The Downward Spiral"
but I'm pretty certain that Scorn's previous album "Colossus" -- which is
pretty much in the same style -- did. It may be that Trent Reznor has
been listening to Scorn...

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
             Dinosaurs early, dinosaurs later,
             Dinosaurs jammed in an elevator!   ________________________
                                                http://www.mooseyard.com


Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 19:50:00 -0500
From: HEYHENRY@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: ...Minty, point by point


Larry,

>>Sorry to post this to the list, but this really needs addressing, as inane
as it is:<<

Actually, no offense, but it really didn't. One has to only realize that the
post in question was designed to incite. Instead of being annoyed by this and
lamenting the "death" of this list, I found it reaffirming that most didn't
even bother to take the obvious stinky bait. Maybe I won't de-sub after all.

>>I don't expect anything in particular from AOLers, but I did used to wonder
why they got such a bad rap on the whole.<<

Keep wondering. Being subscribed to perhaps the biggest on-line rip-off
available doesn't automatically make me a pathetic beligerent weeny. Then
again, I'm only speaking for myself. Besides, do we really need to go into
this whole "dumb AOLer" thing again?

Lurkingly yours,

Amanda

Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 01:09:00 GMT
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Rykodisc offers forum for Muses fans


Picked this up on amaf - most of you have probably seen, it - but hey...

------- Start of forwarded message -------
From: thrilly@aol.com (Thrilly)
Subject: Re: Rykodisc offers forum for Muses fans

Date: 5 Mar 1996 12:33:53 -0500 This is a very good thing...But I must clarify a little...Rykodisc is (or soon will be) the Muses *label's* new home...Throwing Music (which also encompasses Kristin Hersh's recordings) will be marketed and distributed by Ryko...I know the band is quite excited over the new relationship, and is looking forward to a great couple of years ahead...BTW, look for the new Muses record "Limbo" in August... ------- End of forwarded message ------- Of course, the exciting news is the new album. If they follow the recent curve from Red Heaven (which INMHO was as close to rock bottom as they ever got) to the rather brilliant University --->Limbo, this will be...heaven? I'll go to bed now. Cheerio-ta-ta, -- Jon Kvebaek http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceejok Teleport and exteriorization equipment can be constructed by any boy mechanic in his basement workshop. References are 'Collected Works of Willam Reich', 'Journeys Out of the Body' by Robert A. Monroe. - William S. Burroughs, "Port of Saints"

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