Subject: P Glass / Morrissey
Subject: Scheer 'Infliction' album
Subject: Lotus Crown/Stereolab/Kitchens/ESP list
Subject: stereolab stereolab!
Subject: Lay offa my scorn...
Subject: Re: TWP-BWC
Subject: Re: No room for Morrissey
Subject: Re: TWP-BWC
Subject: loveliescrushing
Subject: TWP-BWC HEY! YOU CAN CUT MY TREE RIGHT HERE BUDDY!!!!!!
Subject: MORRISSEY!!!!
Subject: NON-Music mail filters (Re: MORRISSEY!!!!)
Subject: San Francisco/Bay Area
Subject: Savage Oral Hotbed
Subject: a leetle cd sale (not all thislisty stuff but here goes it)
Subject: Pale Saints/Throwing Muses Demo/Elvis Hitler?!
Subject: Re: MORRISSEY!!!!
Subject: Re: Elvis Hitler?!
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 07:27:49 -0800
The Philip Glass film is of course Koyaanisqatsi (1981?). An excellent
film with breathtaking visuals, if you can overlook the simplistic
"nature GOOD, technology BAD" theme behind the whole thing. The
soundtrack album is one of Glass' best releases, too. The sequel
"Powaaqatsi", on the other hand, had IMHO a pretty weak soundtrack; too
lush and without the obsessiveness that drives Glass' best music. Is
"Baraka" really by the same director, Godfrey Reggio? When it came out
there was some controversy on the list over this; I seem to remember that
it was done by somebody completely different using somewhat of the same
visual style.
Can we quickly affirm that Morrissey is NOT thislisty? Both because I
can't think of any particular intrinsic reason why he would be, and also
because (as with the Cure) discussing his stuff here would tend to
generate huge amounts of traffic. There are already several perfectly
good Smiths/Morrissey mailing lists, newsgroups, Web sites, etc. Go there
if you need to indulge your self-centered-sensitive-adolescent side.
Don't get me wrong, I was a big Smiths fan at one point, at least of
their first few albums, but I too was a sensitive adolescent at the
time...
I'm certainly not trying to act as any arbiter of what is/isn't
'thislisty'; let's not have that flamewar again. I just don't think it
would be productive for this list to discuss someone so, uh, mainstream
with such a huge pack of rabid fans.
__________ __________________
Jens Alfke [email protected]
Dinosaurs early, dinosaurs later,
Dinosaurs jammed in an elevator! ________________________
http://www.mooseyard.com
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 17:09:19 +0100
I got hold of a promo cassette for the upcoming Scheer album 'Infliction'
(CAD 6006). According to the insert the UK/Euro release date is April 22.
It's straightforward heavy rock unlike anything before on 4AD!!!! I bet a
lot of the people on the 4AD-List will H-A-T-E it. Still, although I played
the entire tape only twice so far, I think it's really good. Some of the
vocals parts do remind me of early Throwing Muses(!).
1. Shea
2. Howling Boy
3. Wish You Were Dead
4. In Your Head
5. Demon
6. Baby Sized
7. Sad Loved Girl
8. I Started Something
9. Screaming
10. Goodbye
Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
+++++++++++++++++++
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:14:26 -0500
GuerrillaG wrote:
>the debut Lotus Crown (Jimi Shields-after-Rollerskate Skinny) 12", "Alvar
>Aalto", is pretty great.
Hmm...can we expect a series of EPs named after designers and architects
from Finland, then?
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 11:23:26 CST
nothing confirmed yet, but from what i hear stereolab are coming to madison
sometime in may (to the paramount, which means i don't have to wish i was
born seven months earlier!) i don't know any of the other stops on the
tour, but i would imagine that madison is somewhere along the middle of the
line for the band, and i thought maybe one of you duophonic-types could
provide a little extra info. are they going to be doing their us tour with
tortoise, too?
no, blubel, i don't know anything about godzuki, nor am i in the know about
much of anything hnia/livonia, and judging by most of the detroit electric
comp (didn't like the godzuki track on there very much), i'm glad. just
drop the stupid thread already.
BiZ
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 12:59:10 -0600
einexile the meek
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 12:40:43 +0100
Mail*Link(r) SMTP RE>TWP-BWC
>While certainly not the worst song on LIAE, I would say that "Cut the
>Tree" is the worst song from the pre-_Queer_ TWP; it is certainly the
>one that has the least interesting sounds. *Everything* TWP has done
>is great, though; but I think that _Birdwood Cage_, coupled on the
>CD with _The Big Sex_ EP is the best disc to own by them.
>[email protected]
I forgot the "Big Sex EP", now that is one of TWP's best work, specially
"Twister" and "The Wedding".
-nb-
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 15:25:35 -0500
In a message dated 96-03-09 10:24:25 EST, Jens writes:
>Can we quickly affirm that Morrissey is NOT thislisty? Both because I
>can't think of any particular intrinsic reason why he would be, and also
>because (as with the Cure) discussing his stuff here would tend to
>generate huge amounts of traffic. There are already several perfectly
>good Smiths/Morrissey mailing lists, newsgroups, Web sites, etc. Go there
>if you need to indulge your self-centered-sensitive-adolescent side.
>Don't get me wrong, I was a big Smiths fan at one point, at least of
>their first few albums, but I too was a sensitive adolescent at the
>time...
I definitely agree with Jens and I too was *once* a "sensitive adolescent"
Smiths fan. There are plenty of other places to discuss or even just mention
Morrissey.
cheerfully yours
jennifer
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 12:37:29 +0100
Mail*Link(r) SMTP RE>TWP:BWC
Brant gave us the following:
>The Legendary Wolfgang Press album I consider one of the
>classic 4AD releases. It's stark, driving, somwehat harsh and
>primitive, but often beautiful at the same time. I'd say this
>is their most essential release, if only for "Mama (I'm Coming Home)"
>and "My Way". The cover of "Respect" is ridiculous in a goofy
>sort of way.
I totally agree with you Brant :)
>The Burden Of Mules--- ehhhh. It's mostly dull, lifeless
>and unpleasant, and it's best forgotten.
Agreed again :)
>Standing Up Straight. Now here is a challenging album,
>rather like Legendary on a bigger budget with more production.
>Get this one as your second TWP purchase. The songwriting is
>more complex and pointed, maintaining a characteristic
>"strangeness" with equal amounts of harshness, darkness and
>beauty.
Yup! Pretty much on the money.
>Bird Wood Cage. Here is where they start to slip. It's still a good
>album, but they've lost some of the indescribable oddness and charm
>that made the previous two so delightful. Still, there are classics
>such as "King Of Soul" and "Kansas". I guess some of the songs just
>sound too "normal" to me, plus you can pretty clearly trace their
>present Motown / soul / disco / whatever-you-want-to-call-it phase
>back to this record.
Once again I agree
>Queer. In which TWP becomes a lame dance band. One or two
>songs are worthwhile, but in short: it sucks. I see no experimentation
>or originality. Don't even bother.>
Yeah!
>Funky Little Demons. A great improvement over Queer. Less dancy
>and more soulful, the band having completely recreated themselves
>as a funky Motown band. And I've got to admit they do a fine job.
>Plus you find out that Mick Allen really CAN sing!
>"Cut the Tree" isn't really indicative of any album, and is
>one of their weaker songs. You could probably put it with
>Standing Up Straight, but it would be the worst song on there.
Well, I already said all of this before but it's nice to find someone that
completely matches my taste in TWP. About almost anyone else seemed to
disagree and favor the new stuff.
-nb-
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 15:39:25 -0500
hello,this is scott cortez,i am the boy responsible for creating the music for
lovesliescrushing. i just recieved the address for this list so i thought i'd
say hello. actually this is the first time i've ever sent anything to a list.
i'll get my own e-mail someday after i get a computer,i still very lo-fi. well
one of the main reasons i am writing is because so many have been speaking on
my behalf that i thought it was time i spoke for myself. i think most people
even doubted that i even existed. yes i am real. i've just been computer
illiterate and lazy mostly apathetic. but i have to correct some mistakes that
were brought to my attention. some things were said on the 4ad list regarding
lovesliescrushing,the new album,name changes,and derogatory label remarks. i
think i should straighten this situation out myself. first of all my friend and
i were talking and evidently matters were misconstrued. i am enthusiastic about
the new album,some people may have gotten the impression that i don't care
about it. well this could not be farther from the truth. i've spent about 4
years on the xuvetyn album,i wanted it to be the most beautiful thing i could
make it. if i died tommorrow it would be okay because xuvetyn was finally
complete. it had to be mastered from two different dat tapes,those tapes were
mailed to ryan in california who had to follow my instructions regarding how
they were to be edited.this was a pain in the ass. i had to figure out song
arrangements and song order for about 90 minutes worth of material,delete
material,truncate,all this in my head. then i would relay it to ryan and hope
it worked out. well it got fucked up anyways and went over the alloted time so
i had to drop another track so things would fit. all this was done across the
country i just had to hope that it would sound good. well it worked out
perfectly and i think it is the most beautiful thing i've done. that whole
fiasco took about 3 months, and that wasn't even the artwork. that took about a
year to compile,then with computers crashing and everything, it got crazy and i
scraped the original design for a more extravagant 12 page booklet that
compliments the music precisely. basically ,i worked it hard. secondly,i was
thinking about changing the name to (glitherine),not the label. i think the
name is cooler and prettier. but i enjoy working with projekt and i am not
planning to leave. i just wanted a name that fit the music better. hence i
could see how someone could misconstrue this as being the last
lovesliescrushing album,it is not! so no i am not leaving projekt!and the name
change was merely a hypothetical conversation. okay, i guess i'm done for
today. if anyone has any concerns regarding these matters drop me a line and
i'll be happy to help you out.
scott cortez(space boy)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:24:57 -0500
>>Brant gave us the following<<
And Nadim gave it right back to us again...
...with a few "yeahs" and "I agrees" thrown in for...hmmm...don't know.
Thanks for clearing it all up. I wasn't sure of what Brant had really said
until that entire second time.
Wake up people!!!! "Cut the Tree" is genius!
Actually, everyone's entitled to their opinion. Just wouldn't think that
everyone on the 4AD list would hate this track.
Oh yeah, this is for that guy who complained about a certain punctuation
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bye,
MINTY
P.S. lovliescrushing may be a good band but their name is one of the truest
manifestations of crap in the free world!
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:44:39 -0500
Jens and Jennifer,
Very glad that to hear that you've put your teenage angst traumas behind you,
but it's not as if there have been 4,000,000 messages about Morrissey in the
past few days. If it gets out of hand, O.K., but it hasn't so SHUT UP!
Besides, the 1 or 2 Morrisssey references don't even begin to make up for the
mounds upon mounds of non-4AD bullshit (including that lovliescrushing Scott
Cortez "Here I Am" crap...WHO CARES!!!!!) and that non-stop P.C. discussion
about the Lush cover of the past few days.
Basically, I'm really sick of people (including assholes like myself who are
deliberately trying to provoke people out of complete boredom, but hey what
do you expect from an AOLer), crowding up the place with, "Hey You!!! Stop
talking about that...by the way I just love Projekt and being a senstive,
gloomy type who's stuck in the past...and quit using so many excalamation
marks...because they are black and I hate black because I'm a rascist!!!!!
MINTY isn't a MAN. He is a
BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 17:05:48 +0600
Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:44:39 -0500
> gloomy type who's stuck in the past...and quit using so
> many excalamation marks...because they are black and I
> hate black because I'm a rascist!!!!!
>
> MINTY isn't a MAN. He is a
> BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> !!!!!!!
By they by, does anyone know which mail retrieval programs have mail filters
(i.e., kill-files) that support the IMAP protocol? It would make my time here
on 4ad-l so much more pleasant. :) I'd greatly appreciate any help.
Please direct flames/responses to: [email protected]
-cz
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 00:15:28 +0100
Hi all 4AD-l,
I will be in the Bay Area in from April 10th until March 5th.
It would be nice if anyone living there could mail me ADDRESSES of RECORD SHOPS.
Or maybe we can arrange a meeting to get to see people from the other end of
the world....
I am from Germany..btw....that Lufthansa nonstop-flight Frankfurt-SF takes
11.5 hours!!!!
Replies please ONLY via private email:
I am looking forward to hear from you,
Matthias
[email protected]
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 17:32:45 -0600
Have any of you out there in 4ad land heard of Savage Oral Hotbed, the
are a minneapolis group with thre drummers and a bassist, I think some of
you might be intrested in them. They drum on anything they can get their
hands on (oil drums, plastic trash cans, saw blades, actual drums) an
dthey have one of the better live shows I have seen. (The part where they
take power grinders to oil drums is really impressive, who would have
ever thought you could play a scale using only simple power tools) I
don't know what their doing for touring, but keep an out out for them,
garunteed to be a good time.
mike
BTW, could somebody also send me instructions on how to get a kilfile
going, all of a sudden it seems much more useful.
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 19:24:33 -0500
I am offering the following full-length cd's for sale at the prices listed
(postage not incl.)-
Liquorice- Listening Cap promo copy- $6
The Verve- A Northern Soul promo copy- $7
Pain Teens- Beast of Dreams $6
The Boo Radleys- Wake Up! (hey, someone might want it)- $5
Evil Stig- (yeah not at all thislisty)- $6
Tarnation- Gentle Creatures- $7
Bel Canto- Magic Box $7
Helium- Superball+ cd5 (5 songs-Superball, What Institution are you from?,
Lucky Charm, #12 L'Enfant, and I am a Witch. $5
Madder Rose- Panic On $6
Sloan- Twice Removed $5
Sloan- Smeared $5
Grenadine- Nopalitos (prod. by Warren D)- $7
Kendra Smith- Five Ways of Disappearing- $7
The Golden Palominos- Pure $5
If anyone is interested in anything listed contact me directly (NOT the list)
at
[email protected]
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 19:08:44 -0800
Are the Pale Saints no more?? I noticed that they arent on the current
roster of 4AD bands. Maybe they're still together, but I just missed it.
Also, the Throwing Muses 1985 s/t cassette came in! It is GREAT!!!!
Even better than their first album! Also on the tape was a copy of their
first 7". If you want to trade or want me to send you a copy, e-mail me.
One more thing, I think there should DEFINATELY be a WARREN WWW page. I
saw a CD in the used bins at a record store here in Chicago of ELVIS
HITLER (I remember seeing that name mentioned on "Livonia"). On the back
of the CD, there was a picture of the band members: Warren Defever, John
Defever (brother??), Damian Lang, and, of course, Elvis Hitler. It was
weird, though. It came out in 1989, and they all looked really
intimidating (black leather, long hair, the photo inside the booklet was
taken at a bar or something). The lyrics were all about death and
sounded really morbid. I didn't get a chance to listen to it, but it was
only $5, so I was wondering if Elvis Hitler is worth the $5 investment.
What do they sound like?! Is Warren still in the band, because E.H.
just played here last weekend...
Godspeed,
Matt ([email protected])