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Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:27:18 -0500
From: IVSONGS@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:35:14 -0800
From: alexm@ANNEX.COM
Subject: Re: (idm) Some warp news.
Date: 07 Mar 96 04:46:44 EST
From: Edward Pond (100550.2422@compuserve.com)
Subject: Re: my mai pen rai is sold!
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:38:03 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:52:34 -0400
From: Scott Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: (idm) Autechre Mailing List biz.
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 00:43:29 +0000
From: g303 (g3@bleep.org)
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:53:44 -0400
From: K- (ash@DHP.COM)
Subject: Re: TWP:BWC
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:47:11 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP News/Astrobrite/lovesliescrushing/and more and more and
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:45:05 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: this inane hnia/warren/who knows who and whatnot...
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:44:11 -0500
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: ESP News/Astrobrite/lovesliescrushing/and more and more and
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:36:02 -0500
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: The Kitchens
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:45:11 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: labels in the middle of the vinyl
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:22:37 -0500
From: MiloV@AOL.COM
Subject: little auction
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:57:52 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: my mai pen rai is sold!
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:31:38 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:32:07 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: brilliance
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:42:08 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Baraka
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 02:27:56 -0600
From: Sung Shim (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: Re: The Kitchens
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:22:14 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: my mai pen rai is sold!
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:30:30 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Lush
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:41:30 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Philip Glass
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:31:41 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: PV
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:52:09 -0500
From: ishmael (elephant@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG)
Subject: Re: TWP-BWC
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:49:06 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: The Kitchens
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:56:30 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP list?
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:40:28 -0500
From: ishmael (elephant@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG)
Subject: HNIA/The Brothers Quay
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:29:35 -0500
From: ishmael (elephant@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG)
Subject: time STEREO (sorta)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:53:40 -0500
From: ishmael (elephant@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG)
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:52:35 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Baraka
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:39:35 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: my mai pen rai is sold!
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:45:32 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: seeking for good bands.
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:06:56 -0500
From: Cesar Moscoso (a9428245@PUCP.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: ESP News/Astrobrite/lovesliescrushing/and more and more and
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:04:01 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: bootlegs
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:54:21 -0600
From: "Michael C. Lawyer" (lawmic@HOMER.ACS.BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Kitchens
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:44:47 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: is morrissey on topic now?
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:31:00 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: this inane hnia/warren/who knows who and whatnot...
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:06:35 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Jason Pettigrew's CT Review/Godzuki
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:32:32 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: New 4AD FAQ location
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:02:43 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Shaving the Pavement (Chicago dates?)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:22:15 -0500
From: Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group
Subject: All Virgos... HNIA, Dara...
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:14:46 +0000
From: HOA NGO (hhngo@sfsu.edu)
Subject: Re: auction
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:01:50 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: swirly eastcoast...
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:42:47 -0600
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Jason Pettigrew's CT Review/Godzuki
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:22:29 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: 4AD and black
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:45:01 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:33:07 -0700
From: Brett Boyd (BOYDB@VAX4.CSMC.EDU)
Subject: Re: All Virgos... HNIA, Dara...
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:37:33 -0800
From: ESP Sunshine (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: black=rap / swirly eastcoast
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:46:44 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Lush release party TONIGHT in L.A.
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:44:32 -0800
From: Josh Blackwell (jblackwe@UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP Mailing List
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:51:56 -0500
From: MiloV@AOL.COM
Subject: FINAL POST: Lush _lovelife_ cover
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:21:36 -0800
From: alexm@ANNEX.COM
Subject: neue shit (yesssss)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:35:12 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Jason Pettigrew's CT Review/Godzuki
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:35:47 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FINAL POST: Lush _lovelife_ cover
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:10:42 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: ESP Mailing List
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:10:06 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: promo values/Shox/Scheer
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:09:16 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:27:18 -0500
From: IVSONGS@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover


So...

>>It's some black guy in a greenhouse holding up a Lush sign.  Now maybe
theres a lot of rap people out there who would dig the cover and buy the CD,
but then realize it ain't rap. <<

Let me see...

Black Guy = RAP

So is DCD's "Into the Labyrinth" a rap album?


Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:35:14 -0800
From: alexm@ANNEX.COM
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover


4A>>>It's some black guy in a greenhouse holding up a Lush sign.  Now maybe
4A>theres a lot of rap people out there who would dig the cover and buy the CD,
4A>but then realize it ain't rap. <<

4A>Let me see...

4A>Black Guy = RAP

4A>So is DCD's "Into the Labyrinth" a rap album?

No, but thanks for the infantile reply.

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:50:55 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: new Autechre ep (1)


Watch for second fwd.

        e


---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: 07 Mar 96 04:46:44 EST
From: Edward Pond (100550.2422@compuserve.com)
Subject: Re: (idm) Some warp news.


>WARP CD/LP 41: Disjecta: _Clean Pit and Lid_  dark melodic(?) intricate ambient

Yes Yes!!!

>autechre ep [untitled] - via mail order limited to Ae mailing list only.

I sent off to join the Autechre mailing list just before the release of Tri
Repetae. Have they sent anything out yet because I haven't recived
anything. I'd be devastated to miss this EP.

Thanks for your time

-Ed

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:38:03 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: my mai pen rai is sold!


>>mpr was a promotional cd, and by definition all promos are free to the
>>original owner.  duh.
>>
>>BiZ
>>
>>
>
>does this mean you got your lilliput for free too???  hardly.

apparently you missed the ORIGINAL OWNER part of the sentence.  they were
all distributed to radio stations and the like originally to celebrate 4ad's
deal with warner.  believe it or not, they were originally free. (though i
was too young to benefit from that at the time. . .*sob*)  in fact, i know a
guy who got one for free like a year ago.  it had been sitting in some
university radio stations free bin for like ages.  sicksicksick. . .

and yes, those wooden box liaes were free at first, too.

BiZ

and while we're in the spirit of things, i'll sell my and dog bones too for
$15 plus postage or $8 and the modern english cd with the original, "i melt
with you," on it.  or, i'd trade it for livonia and filigree and shadow.
e-mail me privately, please.

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:52:34 -0400
From: Scott Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover


>On Tue, 5 Mar 1996 alexm@ANNEX.COM wrote:
>
>> Oh boy, I just bought the lovelife CD and saw that misleading cover.
>> It's some black guy in a greenhouse holding up a Lush sign.  Now maybe
>> theres a lot of rap people out there who would dig the cover and buy the
>> CD, but then realize it ain't rap.  Anyway, pretty sneaky advertising.
>>
>....'tha fuck is this?!!! 'rap people'??  is that interchangable with
>'black people'??   you better check yourself before somebody kicks your ass.
>
>'misleading cover'?? ...so you wouldn't normally purchase a cd which featured
>a black person on its sleeve??
>
>you make me sick.
>


ditto, and some!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
scott anderson
big monster fish hook


                                      humgiant@user1.channel1.com
                                                sda201@sbra.com
                               http://www.channel1.com/users/humgiant

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:52:57 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: new Autechre ep (2)


And here is the dirt. Get your ambient pencils ready.
Please do not bug greg about this; he is swamped as it is.

 e

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 00:43:29 +0000
From: g303 (g3@bleep.org)
Subject: (idm) Autechre Mailing List biz.



For those of you fretting about various aspects of the Ae mailing list, well...

a) Nothing has been sent out yet. Ae have had over 1600 replies and there is
a limit to how fast envelopes can be stuffed! A huge pile of replies is
waiting to go out soon. Be patient.

b) If you are not on the list and want to be:

Send a request to join the Ae mailing list ->

Autechre
c/o Warp
The Ballroom
210-218 West St.
Sheffield
S1 4EU
UK


Now you can all stop mailing me about it please! :)

g.

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:53:44 -0400
From: K- (ash@DHP.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover


IVSONGS@AOL.COM wrote:
>
> So...
>
> >>It's some black guy in a greenhouse holding up a Lush sign.  Now maybe
> theres a lot of rap people out there who would dig the cover and buy the CD,
> but then realize it ain't rap. <<
>
> Let me see...
>
> Black Guy = RAP
>
> So is DCD's "Into the Labyrinth" a rap album?


oh my god! is this true?! i never thought about it. "MAYBE 'INTO THE
LABYRINTH' IS A RAP ALBUM!!!" that's it. i'm getting rid of it right
now.

alright, so the original post was pretty insane. it may, however, have
been a joke. so the amount of time we're spending going nuts about it
is probably rather excessive. and crazily P.C. as well. just a
thought.


Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:47:11 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: TWP:BWC


The Legendary Wolfgang Press album I consider one of the
classic 4AD releases. It's stark, driving, somwehat harsh and
primitive, but often beautiful at the same time. I'd say this
is their most essential release, if only for "Mama (I'm Coming Home)"
and "My Way". The cover of "Respect" is ridiculous in a goofy
sort of way.

The Burden Of Mules--- ehhhh. It's mostly dull, lifeless
and unpleasant, and it's best forgotten.

Standing Up Straight. Now here is a challenging album,
rather like Legendary on a bigger budget with more production.
Get this one as your second TWP purchase. The songwriting is
more complex and pointed, maintaining a characteristic
"strangeness" with equal amounts of harshness, darkness and
beauty.

Bird Wood Cage. Here is where they start to slip. It's still a good
album, but they've lost some of the indescribable oddness and charm
that made the previous two so delightful. Still, there are classics
such as "King Of Soul" and "Kansas". I guess some of the songs just
sound too "normal" to me, plus you can pretty clearly trace their
present Motown / soul / disco / whatever-you-want-to-call-it phase
back to this record.

Queer. In which TWP becomes a lame dance band. One or two
songs are worthwhile, but in short: it sucks. I see no experimentation
or originality. Don't even bother.

Funky Little Demons. A great improvement over Queer. Less dancy
and more soulful, the band having completely recreated themselves
as a funky Motown band. And I've got to admit they do a fine job.
Plus you find out that Mick Allen really CAN sing!

"Cut the Tree" isn't really indicative of any album, and is
one of their weaker songs. You could probably put it with
Standing Up Straight, but it would be the worst song on there.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:45:05 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP News/Astrobrite/lovesliescrushing/and more and more and

              more

>>and i know them better than you do!  nyaah nyaah nyaah!  don't try to
>>upstage me!  ;)
>>
>>bitterly yours,
>>
>>BiZ
>
>how childish... generally what I've come to expect from some of the posts on
>the list lately anyway, just like the one about "Lush's sneaky advertising by
>having a black man on the cover".

it was a joke, blu.  it just seemed to me like you've been saying things
like, "see how chummy i am w/warren," and whatnot.  you even went so far as
to discredit mike's information about the new album, which i found pretty
helpful.  every post you make to the list mentions the guys that work at
the record collector, warren, etc.  i can't go so far to call you a
namedropper because i don't know you personally, but it certainly appears
that way at times.  sorry if i came down a little hard on you.  i wasn't in
a very good mood when i wrote that.

btw, for the record, i have very little knowledge about warren and co.  i
don't even own all the albums.  that was a JOKE (though a sharp-edged one at
that.)

BiZ

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:44:11 -0500
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: this inane hnia/warren/who knows who and whatnot...


a usually reasonable *kj* writes:

>  one more point, i'm getting the feeling that there is some weirded
>  out competition {no names mentioned, i can't keep up with them all}
>  about who has better/more current hnia/warren info and who is "in"
>  with that whole scene and who isn't.
>  personally, who cares? there's plenty of room for everyone to be
>  schmoozy with them, or to get info from them, or whatever. no need
>  to show off/boast about your "tie-in"..or lack thereof....

I'm not speaking for the other (no names mentioned)s, but I  post any
PD-M/HNIA news or releases I hear/come across SOLELY to let other fans know.
It's not a cut-throat one-upmanship game! And it's not about connections or
'in' friends. If I mention a name, it's just to provide a source. So that
people don't think that I'm pulling my information out of some bodily orfice.
. .

Is that so wrong? :(

taking things too personally, as usual
GuerillaG

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:36:02 -0500
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: ESP News/Astrobrite/lovesliescrushing/and more and more and

              more

Is it illegal to reply back to your own post? :)


>Which one from Majesty Crush is he? Instrumentally, they're pretty cool, but
>their singer is an ass, to be quite frank.

Nope... not Dave. Astrobrite feature MC's drummer - who is apparently a big
techno-nut. You can hear a little of it in Astrobrite's almost-dance-y beats.
But just a little. House music they are NOT. I told them to trash (or at
least redo) the one song on which O'dell's (Nails) beats were too
intrusive... and they did. Oh, the power!

>It's also spelled *Xuvetyn*...

Yeah, yeah, yeah. :-b
The tape I have doesn't have any title on it. . . and Scott never spelled it
out for me.

the debut Lotus Crown (Jimi Shields-after-Rollerskate Skinny) 12", "Alvar
Aalto", is pretty great. Shows great promise...  I'll post a review if anyone
wants me to. But you have to ask. I don't want to clutter the list without
express permission. . .

Anyone interested in the first three RIDE cd5s (Chelsea Girl, Fall, Play)?
I'm trying to decide if I want to sell them or not... the covers are so
pretty! :)

review-less raves of the day:
Ken Ishii (Flare) - Reference to Difference CD (Sublime Records, Tokyo) <---
WOW, pt.1
Subtropic - Wildcard 12" EP (Reflective, US) <--- WOW, pt.2!

Why hasn't anyone mentioned the new Stereolab EP?! I will. It's great. Buy
it.

...and never the twain shall meet
GuerillaG

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 00:45:11 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: The Kitchens



On the lyrics of Strange Free World, there is one song called These Drinkers
but my Cd doesn=B4t have it. Does it come only on the import or was it never
released?

Pepe

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:22:37 -0500
From: MiloV@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: labels in the middle of the vinyl


>>>also, picked up the 12" of Modern English - in the gladhouse, today, the
>>>B-side has two nude women wrestling over the 4AD logo, weird, was this on
>>>all the 12"s?
>>
>>My recollection is that it is on some others, but in a very distorted form.
>>For years, I couldn't work out what the labels in the middle of the vinyl
>>were portraying but then some of them became clear when I saw an
>>undistorted version.
>
>Come on!!! I didn't answer this question because I thought almost everybody
>on the 4AD-L would know the answer.

This seems needlessly harsh, it's the first non-CT 4AD vinyl thing I have
ever bought.
But, hey, now I know. I won't ask again.

Maybe, I'm just being too sensitive, but you did have 3 big exclamation
points.

Later,



James 

... it is better to build upon the shifting sands
than the rock which will confound you on the day it shatters.

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:57:52 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: little auction


Auction fever has spread to Dewdrops Headquarters,
and as a result here is a very short list of
things we have to offer. The minimum bid
is $3 unless otherwise noted, bids include postage,
and bids will be taken until midnight on
March 16. Bidders will be notified of recent bids
on a daily basis or however often is necessary.

4AD stuff
---------
Breeders - Divine Hammer CD/EP UK import BAD 3017 CD
Breeders - Cannonball CD/EP US release

Sarah stuff
-----------
Orchids - Underneath The Window 7" Sarah 11
Orchids - Something For The Longing 7" Sarah 29
Tramway - Sweet Chariot 7" Sarah 52

Sunday stuff
------------
Fruit - Deep Water 7" sunday 029 (no sleeve)

Misc. stuff
-----------
Bugbear - Sea Monkeys 7" on Swing Set (Matt and Amelia from Heavenly)
700 Miles - Rachel CD/EP on Kokopop
Chia Pet - Hey Baby CD/EP on Kokopop
Zuzu's Petals - How Long CD/EP on Kokopop

Min. bid $5 stuff
-----------------
Pell Mell - Interstate CD
Ultramarine - Bel Air CD
Harmony Rockets - Paralysed Mind of the Archangel Void CD


|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:31:38 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: my mai pen rai is sold!

              7 Mar 1996 21:18:43 -0500

BiZ sez:
>   >mpr was a promotional cd, and by definition all promos
>   are free to the
>   >original owner.  duh.
blu asks:
>   does this mean you got your lilliput for free too???
>   hardly.

No, it means *someone* got lilliput for free.  (N.B., the clause containing
"original owner.")  I prefer to value something according to the enhancement it
brings to my life rather than how much it would be worth if i sold it.  I value
my eyes more than the price they'd fetch on the black market organ donor
circuit.  I appreciate that some people are willing to let us poor folk have a
chance at something like mpr for what they think it's *worth*.

regarding capitalism:
  Although capitalism is a worldwide phenomenon there is something to be said
about anti-capitalistic thoughts being considered UNamerican.  Remember
McCarthy?  (ahh, nevermind ...)

-cz

>i suppose that's quite an unamerican point of view, isnt >it?
Better watch out they might add causes against anti-capitalistic statements to
the Commun. Decency Act so that you don't pervert our childrens heads with
thoughts of egalitarianism.

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:32:07 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover


On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, daniel klyn wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Mar 1996 alexm@ANNEX.COM wrote:
> > Oh boy, I just bought the lovelife CD and saw that misleading cover.
> > It's some black guy in a greenhouse holding up a Lush sign.  Now maybe
> > theres a lot of rap people out there who would dig the cover and buy the
> > CD, but then realize it ain't rap.  Anyway, pretty sneaky advertising.
> >
> ....'tha fuck is this?!!! 'rap people'??  is that interchangable with
> 'black people'??   you better check yourself before somebody kicks your ass.
> 'misleading cover'?? ...so you wouldn't normally purchase a cd which featured
> a black person on its sleeve??
> you make me sick.
> no really.

Whoa. Before we get all medieval on this guy's ass, I don't think he
intended to make a racist remark. I think he was just trying to say that
the Lovelife cover might make some people think the album contained a
different genre of music than it does. I think he's wrong, and I think he
put it very badly as well. But let's not start a racial flamewar here,
please. Racism is too prevalent and too evil in society at large; let's
just all enjoy the music here together for a change.



Martin

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:42:08 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: brilliance


On Thu, 7 Mar 1996 Srilank@AOL.COM wrote:

> >I think they are still fuckin brilliant regardless of what it sounds like, I
> >feel the same way about HNIA.  And if you don't like that, then just shut up
> >and stop buying lush releases.  If you thought the singles sucked, then why
> >on earth would anyone go and get the album the exact same day it came out.
> >I did, but then again, I thought the singles were great and now... I think
> >LOVELIFE is even greater!    SFW!!??!
>
> f 'n potty mouth...

Wash his ass out with soap.

> Why bash people over the head for buying a new lush single, saying they don't
> like it, yet still buy the new album?  Singles are padded with b-sides which
> usually precede the album to whet the appetites of fans (rabid or no) waiting
> for the real lp.  In other words, the singles presumably will not be up to
> par with the lp release, but this will probably *not* stop someone from
> buying the lp itself.

Consider also that a numbr of people, myself included and I think I was
first, have said the singles sucked but the album was great.

Why get hostile towards someone over an honest opinion. It's the
*dishonest* opinions I get angry over, like "i fuckin love lush whether
they eat shit or not and anyone who thinks I suck cock for it can lick
me". Is it denial I smell here? :)

As for the Elastica comparison, maybe this point has been raised--I
wouldn't know because I don't dare look at the thread--but consider that
Elastica, although a great pop band with some marvelous songs, haven't an
original bone in their collective body. This is sort of like saying
someone stole all their ideas from Scorn.

And just why the hell should female rage be acceptable to mainstream
America? It's not acceptable; it's charming and a novelty, and it's not
new. Remember Pet Benetar and her posse marching doen the street shaking
their boobs at the camera? Female rage. Don't worry Jens, everyone else
forgot about it too. :) That's why it's coming back into vogue.

 e


Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 02:27:56 -0600
From: Sung Shim (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: Re: Baraka


At 09:18 PM 3/7/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Besides having a soundtrack generally comprised of a bunch of DCD tracks,...
>what is this film about???
>general story??

     actually there are only two DCD tracks weaved in, the rest of the music
is mostly originally composed.

     the film doesn't have a plot, it's basically just a series of
wonderfully shot scenes of the world and it's culture.  i was watching it
with a friend of mine tonight and he mentioned that he felt it was pretty
much a copy of a movie that was made around 10 years ago (the title of which
i can't remember at the moment) but i do remember him saying that the
soundtrack was by Phillip Glass.  He also mentioned that he enjoyed it more
than 'Baraka'.  i'm eager to find it (once i ask him the title again) as i
found Baraka to be as a whole quite enjoyable.  the final scene with the
tree under the stars is so awesome.

sung
---
 foss@wwa.com
 http://shoga.wwa.com/~foss/

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:22:14 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: The Kitchens

              Camil" at Mar 8, 96 00:45:11 am

"Jose A. Garcia Camil"  wrote:
>
> On the lyrics of Strange Free World, there is one song called These Drinkers
> but my Cd doesn=B4t have it. Does it come only on the import or was it never
> released?

As I recall, this was one of the B-sides to "Drive That Fast", the
single from the album - other B-sides were "Elephantiny" (re-recording
of "Elephantine") and an instrumental.  "Quick as Rainbows" came with a
lyric sheet for all the KoD songs thus far released ("Love is Hell" and
three or four EPs).

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 08/03/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
The Wedding Present - Watusi


Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:30:30 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: my mai pen rai is sold!


>
> In a message dated 96-03-07 14:48:07 EST, you write:
>
> >mpr was a promotional cd, and by definition all promos are free to the
> >original owner.  duh.
> >
> >BiZ
> >
> >
>
> does this mean you got your lilliput for free too???  hardly.
>

if it was a promotional release, my guess would be 'yes'.  i do beleive
it would not have cost a dime of the original owner.  your digging here,
let it go.

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:41:30 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Lush


einexile the meek  wrote:
 >
 > As for the Elastica comparison, maybe this point has been
 > raised--I wouldn't know because I don't dare look at the
 > thread--but consider that Elastica, although a great pop band
 > with some marvelous songs, haven't an original bone in their
 > collective body. This is sort of like saying someone stole all
 > their ideas from Scorn.

Plus Lush were recording this sort of song years before Elastica were
around - it's just that they are doing it well now ("Bitter" is much the
same style as "Ladykillers", but it's a lousy song).  They were on "Top
of the Pops last night, Miki seemed to be in the throes of some sort of
demonic possession (her eyes kept rolling back in her head, sadly she
stopped short of spewing green bile over the heads of the pop kids).

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 08/03/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
The Wedding Present - Watusi


Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:31:41 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Philip Glass


  The Philip Glass movie may be called "Koyaanisqatsi"


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU


Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:52:09 -0500
From: ishmael (elephant@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG) WE (World Domination) HAVE STRUCK A DEAL WITH WARNER BROS THAT ENTAILS THEM SIGNING SKY CRIES MARY FOR THEIR NEXT 5 ALBUMS, AND WE KEEP THE BACK CATALOGUE!! THE CHECK IS IN THE MAIL! ALSO, SKY CRIES MARY HAVE YET ANOTHER INTERNET BROADCAST. THEY ARE FEATURED THE WEEK OF MARCH 4TH....BUT THEIR SHOW IS AVAILABLE ON DEMAND THROUGHOUT MARCH. CHECK IT OUT.....http://imusic.com

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:49:06 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: TWP-BWC


> I highly disagree (but then again that is very subjective). I think Cut the
> Tree is one of TWP's best work. Their earlier stuff is probably more in that
> vein than the newer stuff. Don't get me wrong though, I like the new stuff
...
> Jens wrote   -----
> Whilst we're on the subj. of early TWP ... I had originally dismissed the
> band after hearing "Lonely Is An Eyesore", since I considered "Cut the
> Tree" to be the worst track on the comp, even duller than the predictable
> Colourbox track. So I ignored them until 1992 when a friend lent me his
> copy of "Queer" and I was thrown for a very pleasurable loop.
>
> So: How does "Cut the Tree" compare to TWP's earlier albums? Everything I
> hear about those albums is the highest of praise, but I really find that
> song booooring...
>
While certainly not the worst song on LIAE, I would say that "Cut the
Tree" is the worst song from the pre-_Queer_ TWP; it is certainly the
one that has the least interesting sounds.  *Everything* TWP has done
is great, though; but I think that _Birdwood Cage_, coupled on the
CD with _The Big Sex_ EP is the best disc to own by them.

moran@hal-pc.org

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:56:30 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Kitchens


my domestic copy of strange free world also lacks these drinkers....

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:40:28 -0500
From: ishmael (elephant@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG)
Subject: Re: ESP list?


On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Where is my Mind? wrote:

> > WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO STORE THIS?  DO YOU HAVE ROOM FOR A ESP/TS LIST?
> >
>
> I have been storing this at my account here on apocalypse.org.
> I pretty much have free reign as far as disk space is concerned.
>
> Yeah, we'd have room for an esp/ts list, i'd just have to set it
> up, which could take a week or so.  Do you think people would
> use it, there does seem to be some debate as to whether people
> want a seperate list.  If people really want it I'll do it.
>
> Lastly, in the works, I might be setting up the webpage for
> time stereo, which would be way cool!
>
> If you want to see what I have so far for the HNIA page,
> so you can give me feedback, it's at,
>
> http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/u/friday/HNIA
>
> i'm nearing the time that I'm uploading a bunch of new stuff,
> so, the livonia and Kos pages might be a little flaky
>
> cool,
> reid
>
>
>

YES!!!!!!!!!!  START THE ESP LIST!!!!   I THINK ENOUGH PEOPLE WILL USE
IT--THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO FIND OUT. . .
THE STUFF YOU HAVE ON THE WEB PAGE IS GREAT!!!!  KEEP IT UP!!!

SOMEONE HAD THE IDEA OF AUTOMATICALLY FORWARDING TO 4AD-L--MAYBE THAT
WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.

ARE YOU GOING TO SET-UP THE _OFFICIAL_ time STEREO WEBPAGE???

OK, LET'S GET TO IT.  YOU SAID MAYBE BY THIS WEEKEND???

-E


Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:29:35 -0500
From: ishmael (elephant@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG)
Subject: HNIA/The Brothers Quay


Monday March 11, 7PM The Detroit Institute of Art (313-833-2323)
is showing "Tales from the Brothers Quay" a bunch (i think about 5)
anamation films by BQ, including "Are We Still Married" vidoe by HNIA
and two (count them, 2!) other films (videos?) featuring music by HNIA!!!!!

Y'all should check it out!!!

-EI

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:53:40 -0500
From: ishmael (elephant@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG)
Subject: time STEREO (sorta)


some upcomming shows that might interest you:

Sat, March 9th:

Mog (Kenny G of PD-m) is playing at the Magic Bag in Ferndale along w/
Wig (a2) and Slot (810-544-3030).

That rappin' Vampire BB King look-a-like
The Implailer is playing at Alvin's (313-832-2355).

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:52:35 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover


>
> alright, so the original post was pretty insane. it may, however, have
> been a joke. so the amount of time we're spending going nuts about it
> is probably rather excessive. and crazily P.C. as well. just a
> thought.
>

there is, i believe, an important difference between someone's insisting
upon the use of P.C. neologisms, and someone's insisting that thinly
veiled anti- black sentiments be kept off from this list. flat out.

dan

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:39:35 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Baraka


basically, if you've seen mark madgison (sp?)'s other films
(koyanasqatsi, powwowasquatsi), baraka is in the same vein, although
imho, baraka is the best, in terms of images, soundtrack, overall effect.
montage of images and music. vaguely narrative. this one's roughly about
the commonality of the religious experiences of various native peoples,
and about their connection with nature vs. the corrosion of the western,
civilized way of life.  a better explaination is on the sleeve of the
video, which you can read at your local video store.

dan

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:45:32 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: my mai pen rai is sold!


On Thu, 7 Mar 1996 BluBelKnol@AOL.COM wrote:
> Capitalism is world wide my friend, in case you hadn't noticed.  A tad bit
> pretencious to believe it isn't.
>
> Perhaps the person selling the "Mai..." for $43 needs to pay for his
> "Rimy..."ltded some way.
>
> Funny how the guy sold his Mai for $20 before his post even hit the List...
> kinda tells you how much he lost on the steal...er um deal.
>

check out alt.apoligists.fortheexistingcorruptsocioeconomicparadigm.  you
might find some likeminded folks there with whom to sell your politics to.


Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:06:56 -0500
From: Cesar Moscoso (a9428245@PUCP.EDU.PE)
Subject: seeking for good bands.


  Hi out there , I am really interested in getting contacts or clues about
 "INTERESTING BANDS " but  specially about those ones with lyrics in spanish
 so if you have some news please let me know .
 I also would like to share with you some names :
  SILVANIA (Valencia,SPAIN)
  SILVERBLOOD (Sao Paulo ,BRAZIL)
  MELLONTA TAUTA (Mar del plata, ARGENTINA)
  DOLORES DELIRIO (Lima ,PERU)

 On the other hand i would like to know more information about the AVAM
 video,and other stunning video compilations, if the L.A branch can deliver
 this stuff or if someone would tell me how to get ,at least a copy of them.
 I think that's all for today.
 bye
     CESAR .


Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:04:01 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP News/Astrobrite/lovesliescrushing/and more and more and

              more

> ....the syncophantic slags all say:
>   "I knew him first!" and "I knew him well"....
>
> paint a vulgar picture

Oh boy!  Is Morrissey on-topic now?

Mike

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:54:21 -0600
From: "Michael C. Lawyer" (lawmic@HOMER.ACS.BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: bootlegs


sorry about that, I didn't even realise i'd posted to the list until I got the m
ssage today, I didn't mean to really!

ob4ad,
just for my 2cents worth, I never have listened to lush much, but I'm thinking a
out getting the ladykillers single anyway, It's been getting a lot of radio
play in the twincities, and I'm starting to really like it.

mike

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:44:47 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Kitchens


The words to "These Drinkers" are in my (us) copy as well. The songs
seems to left off the album but is avalable on the "Drive That Fast" ep

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:31:00 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: is morrissey on topic now?


On Fri, 8 Mar 1996, Heffalump wrote:

> Oh boy!  Is Morrissey on-topic now?

i can only wish that he were... i can't help quoting [him],
                                    cause all the things that [he] says
                                         ring true, hoo-hoo, hoo-hoo...

shall we have a show of hands, mozfans??

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 10:06:35 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: this inane hnia/warren/who knows who and whatnot...


>   one more point, i'm getting the feeling that there is some weirded
>   out competition {no names mentioned, i can't keep up with them all}
>   about who has better/more current hnia/warren info and who is "in"
>   with that whole scene and who isn't.

I'm not in with anything at all!  So hey, in-folks... whadd'ya say we
split and make another list off yonder... and then we can spread the
in-ness around 'til the cows come home!

Yee-haw!

Mike


Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:32:32 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Jason Pettigrew's CT Review/Godzuki


Here it is (in part)...

"In the past, typical Cocteau Twins fans would read books by candlelight and
lose themselves in whatever was circulating through their minds. Now they've
become whining maggots on the World Wide Web longing for Victorialand
rewrites and yearning for a new This Mortal Coil album. Face it: you can't go
home anymore."
-A.P.'s Jason Pettigrew in a review of CT's Milk and Kisses

A bit harsh, eh?

Actually, I was pining for a "Love's Easy Tears" Pt. 2. What a BASTARD!

But... if the shoes fit.

So, do maggots even have feet?




Oh, and who are Godzuki? Are they Livonians? Anything to do with DeFever?
Just curious as they are set to play my neck of the (back)woods.

Thanks,

B'ham Roy

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:02:43 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: New 4AD FAQ location


The good news: the admins at inow.com finally got things set up so my web
site can be reached directly through my domain, mooseyard.com.
The bad news: They didn't give me the password to access the source files
at the new location, so I can't upload the new FAQ updates yet. Hopefully
tomorrow. I'll let y'all know.

Now and hopefully forever, the 4AD-L FAQ can be found on the Web at:

    http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/4AD_FAQ.html

The old URL (at www.inow.com) is now broken. Toss it out of your bookmark
list. If you own a Web page that points to the FAQ, **pleeeez** update
the link. Thanks.

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
             Dinosaurs early, dinosaurs later,
             Dinosaurs jammed in an elevator!   ________________________
                                                http://www.mooseyard.com

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:22:15 -0500
From: Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group
Subject: Shaving the Pavement (Chicago dates?)


I  called the 4AD hotline a few days ago, but no word on specific dates for the
'Shaving the Pavement' tour.  Does anyone on the list know of a tentative date
+ location for a Chicago show?

Thanks in advance,
Tom
thomulka.worldgroup@notes.compuserve.com


Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:14:46 +0000
From: HOA NGO (hhngo@sfsu.edu)
Subject: All Virgos... HNIA, Dara...


Does anyone know where I can find more music from Dara who did
_Library Girl_ with HNIA on Virgos?

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:01:50 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: auction


> hisnameisalive - "In Every Ford" 4AD(US) 5-track promo...jewel case is
> cracked
>     $15-RJH823

hahahaa...
i have this, if someone wants it please mail
me... there arent any unreleased songs or anything.
its nothin big..

spiral

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:42:47 -0600
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: swirly eastcoast...


> Why is it (petulant whine) that
> all good swirlynoise activity in the US is centered in either the
> eastern 1/3 of the country or in the sunbaked hellhole that is
> Phoenix?

while we're on the subject...

     i live right smack dab in the midwest...it seems like we NEVER
get any good swirly music.  well, i think slowdive and ride came
through a couple years back.  but that was before i really got into
them so it doesn't count. :)

     btw, has anyone heard more about the "shaving the pavement" tour.
i just hope that it comes my way...then i can forgive.

jason


Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:22:29 GMT
From: Ian McCausland (Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Re: Jason Pettigrew's CT Review/Godzuki


indeed

rather hardh Id say

that Basttttttttttard!

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:45:01 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: 4AD and black


You know, about this whole lush controversy(s); I just thought I'd add that I
have 4 black friends in houston who love 4ADish music compared to only 1 or 2
white friends that I know who like it.  The majority of my friends are content
with whatever the local pop FM station directs them to buy. (I got more
friends trying to get me "into" Alanis since that stupid song...)

My point?  Not one, really.  Just a thought to others that music-taste is
definitely not split along racial lines.  I think its more divided among
people who actually have a passion for the music they listen to; and demand
more from it; and the bulk masses who are content with enjoying whatever
happens to be playing on the radio at the time.

I'm not being elistist at all; but I've really come to appreciate music so
much more and really develop my own individual taste since joining lists like
this one.  I always enjoyed a certain style of music; but never had a support
mechanism to keep me informed and up-to-date.  Unfortunately, most of the
folks out there will never experience groups like This Mortal Coil or releases
on labels such as FAX which is actually kind of sad.


BTW I dug out my old "moon and the melodies" tape.  I know it's been like 8 or
9 years since I listened to that thing.  I bought it; was disappointed and
stuck it in my tape "black hole box".  I pulled it out this week after all the
discussion recently and found that I can't stop playing it!  It's a wonderful
album!  I can't believe I've spend the last 9 years feeling like it was a
waste of money.  I also found a tape of "the pink opaque" which I didn't know
I had, either.


times to let you know I got it; but it kept bouncing...


"Helliborne".  I got it today; and I'm putting together a tape for you. :)


marvyn

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 15:33:07 -0700
From: Brett Boyd (BOYDB@VAX4.CSMC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover


WHAT ARE YOU DOING!

        If your purpose is to incite riot, and achieve some infantile
gratification of your ego, OH BOY are you on track--with everyone responding
to you.
        If your intent was to make a few racist digs to the ribs of more
sensitive individuals as well as your "targeted" audience, well HALLELUJAH BOY  
our a regular Propogandist.

        As for the rest of the comments which have been made to ameliorate or
de-escalate this inflammatory post, I'm shocked.  Imagine the artists on this
label who share genetic and cultural heritages with the target of this
post.  Referring to a figure on a cover, with the diminutive designation:
"...some black guy," is cause for concern.  Coupling this with the
generalization that "...rap people" "...dig" "...black guy(s)," and that
the intent was "...sneaky," all seem pretty thinly veiled.
        I am fallible, too.  But if this post is a product of "ignorance,"
rather than calculation, IGNORANCE is no excuse./


Wake up man!  This country is teetering on a critical period of healthy
growth and self-destructive regression.  Let's not tilt the scales
irrevocably into disaster.

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:37:33 -0800
From: ESP Sunshine (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: All Virgos... HNIA, Dara...


  the New Grape tape on time stereo. it's *fantastic*, but a li'l
  more gruff and noisy than the AVAM song. i'd like to hear the
  "cleaned up" versions of those songs....i'm sure they are just
  as good without the distortion as they are with it...


  scooby dooby doo,
  *k*

  ...bound and determined to be a web page this summer...

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:46:44 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: black=rap / swirly eastcoast


Brant cautions:
>I personally thought these last few comments on the
>"black guy on the Lush CD cover" could be interpreted
>as stereotyped and racist (even if maybe the last one was
>perhaps not totally serious)

Just for the record I was fully into tongue-in-cheek mode in my response.
Obviously attempting to categorize black = thislisty on the basis of AR
Kane is just as absurd as categorizing black = rap, when we all know that
really black = beautiful. Power to the people, brothers.

Just to throw in some content: that recent announcement of the
Cleveland(?) show with Bowery Electric and Labradford has me drooling
with frustration here in San Jose, CA. Why is it (petulant whine) that
all good swirlynoise activity in the US is centered in either the eastern
1/3 of the country or in the sunbaked hellhole that is Phoenix? The
closest we in the Bay Area seem to get are (IMHO) also-rans like Orange
or (gag) the Rosemarys. I think in the interests of fairness the easties
should bus bands like Labradford and Bowery Electric over here. We have
hundreds of carbon copy punk/funk/thrash/ska bands in the San Jose area
that we could shove into an eastward bus and mercifully get rid of.

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
             Dinosaurs early, dinosaurs later,
             Dinosaurs jammed in an elevator!   ________________________
                                                http://www.mooseyard.com

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:44:32 -0800
From: Josh Blackwell (jblackwe@UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Lush release party TONIGHT in L.A.


Excuse me if this has been posted already.

Lush is having a record release party at Club Cherry tonight in Los Angeles.
March 8th
657 N. Robertson
(between Melrose and Santa Monica)
(upstairs at the Lava Lounge)

That's all I know. (can try cherryclub@aol.com)

-Josh

_______________________________________________________________________
Josh J. Blackwell   "I have dreams. I'm a visionary. I feel as if I
jblackwe@ucla.edu    have a suit of armor around me, like a rhinocerous
+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+    skin. Thank you for asking."______________________

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 19:51:56 -0500
From: MiloV@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: ESP Mailing List


>If I hear a definative yes, I'll set it up this weekend, and will only need
>to know what to call it :^>

How about the Livonia-L, it's not the new album,
but they are still Headquartered there, right?

or would that get confused with the Livonia, MI chamber of Commerce...

or was this a rhetorical question (I can never tell)

Looking forward to being on both lists,


James 

... it is better to build upon the shifting sands
than the rock which will confound you on the day it shatters.


Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 17:21:36 -0800
From: alexm@ANNEX.COM
Subject: FINAL POST: Lush _lovelife_ cover


   I only wanted to get my point across about how the Lush cover didn't match
the content of what was on the CD.  But of course whoever said that the cover
should match with the music anyway?

   My apologies for causing such a misunderstanding.

   Furthermore, I would like to offer my utmost apology to the system
administrator(s) for putting up with replies to my posts containing nonsense
which takes up so much hard drive space.

Alex


Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:35:12 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: neue shit (yesssss)


On Fri, 8 Mar 1996, EAR/Rational Music wrote:

> If you wish to pre-order a title, send email with the subject of PRE-ORDER
> to ear-rational@xmission.com.  In the message, list the titles you wish to
> pre-order.  DO NOT list regular catalog titles in your message.
>
>
> --- In stock week of Mar 18/25, 1996 (Pre-orders due Monday, Mar 11, Noon) ---
>                   (Release dates always subject to change!)

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> NEWS
>       Cocteau Twins-Tishbite 12" cancelled by Fontana UK.

> Elijah's Mantle-Betrayals & Ecstasies CD DNDC006 $19.00
> Fourth album from World Serpent's Gothiest Goths, a total trip down
> mascara lane. Dark, evil, twisted and tortured soul music, brings to mind
> suicide in a rental car (yeesh!) sez World Serpent overlord Buck Satan.
> Past efforts have won them great acclaim for their scintillating Pagan Folk

> Nephilim-Penetration 12"/CDS BEG265T/CD $8.25/$9.25
> 4 years since the demise of Fields of the Nephilim, Carl McCoy returns
> with the Nephilim (insert kettledrums here). All the dark and moody
> magnificence you would expect from these Cowboy Goths. Industro-
> mascara guitar-rock has never been more desolate. (Beggars Banquet)

> Tibet& Stapleton-Musical Pumpkin Cottage CD UDORLCD $19.00
> Tibet & Stapleton-Musicalische Kurbs Hutte LP UDOR1 $19.00
> Are you ready for this? The CD version and the LP vinyl version of this
> album contain totally different versions of the two tracks which comprise this
> project. New stuff from Sol Invictus's Steven Stapleton and Current 93's
> David Tibet, their first collab since "The Sadness of Things" (hopefully
> repressed soon). Dark ambient puttering and muttering on "The Dead Side
> of the Moon" and "Bubblehead". Sleeve & lyrics by Stapleton. The first
> release on Tibet & Stapleton's new United Durtro Label. (World Serpent)

> Various-Creation: Noise Annoys CD CRECD171 $20.25
> The guitar and feedback laden side of Creation's plate compiled on CD
> showcases the influential and rather obscure over-the-top fuzz popping of
> Slaughter Joe and Meat Whiplash, plus the godhead My Bloody Valentine,
> Ride, Boo Rads, Silverfish, Sugar and more. Creation's "sweetness and
> light" pretty pop comp due mid-April; presale in a week or 2. (Creation)

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:35:47 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Jason Pettigrew's CT Review/Godzuki


In a message dated 96-03-08 14:11:32 EST, you write:

>Oh, and who are Godzuki? Are they Livonians? Anything to do with DeFever?
>Just curious as they are set to play my neck of the (back)woods.
>
>Thanks,
>
>B'ham Roy
>
>

take it away BiZ, you seem to be "in"...

~~blu

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 21:10:42 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: FINAL POST: Lush _lovelife_ cover


On Fri, 8 Mar 1996 alexm@ANNEX.COM wrote:

>    I only wanted to get my point across about how the Lush cover didn't match
> the content of what was on the CD.  But of course whoever said that the cover
> should match with the music anyway?

You certainly implied it.
>
>    My apologies for causing such a misunderstanding.
>
>    Furthermore, I would like to offer my utmost apology to the system
> administrator(s) for putting up with replies to my posts containing nonsense
> which takes up so much hard drive space.
>
"Complaints about potentially racist remarks" = "nonsense." Nice.

Martin

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:10:06 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: ESP Mailing List


In a message dated 96-03-07 23:01:35 EST, friday@APOCALYPSE.ORG (Where is my
Mind?) writes:

>Another reason I'd like it at my site is so that we could have all the
>HNIA
>type things located in one place (not to upstage BluBelKnol, I know he too
>is working on a web page, and don't want to leave him in the dust).  I'm
>also
>trying to get pages in the works for Time Stereo/Record Collector, but
>that's
>pending on Davn? (I think).
>
>

Hey, I got no problem with it...  I've been trying to get mine going for the
past 6 months or so, but just haven't got the time to get it started, much
less keep it updated.

>My question is, if I set up this list, will people use it?  I don't want
>to
>set it up to find one or two messages dribbling through, it'd be a waste
>of
>my time and resources (as well as my friends who'd be helping me set it up
>on their machine).

I for one would be a subscriber to the list....

>If I hear a definative yes, I'll set it up this weekend, and will only
>need
>to know what to call it :^>

How about calling it something simple like "Livonia", "E-Nicolle", or
"IfJuly"  ???  Every other one of their titles is just to long to consider it
a name for a listserv.

~~blu~~
blubelknol@aol.com

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:09:16 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: promo values/Shox/Scheer


In a message dated 96-03-08 00:38:45 EST, you write:

>apparently you missed the ORIGINAL OWNER part of the sentence.  they were
>all distributed to radio stations and the like originally to celebrate 4ad's
>deal with warner.  believe it or not, they were originally free. (though i
>was too young to benefit from that at the time. . .*sob*)  in fact, i know a
>guy who got one for free like a year ago.  it had been sitting in some
>university radio stations free bin for like ages.  sicksicksick. . .
>
>

yes, the lilliput's were free... to radio stations, mom&pop record stores,
and the like.  but not to the average joe (you or I).  My point was, that
even if it has "promotional item" slapped on it, and was free to the original
"receiver" of the item, doesn't make it worthless to everyone else.  They all
have a value from "joe friday" (about $6) to "lilliput" (anywhere from
$60-$300).  The wide price range is a perfect example of what I've been
trying to relate to Mai Pen Rai as:  worth is based on a person and his/her
tastes.  if someone is willing to pay $42 for Mai Pen Rai (which i don't
think is unreasonable), then why on earth condemn the person selling it for
$42 when in fact it was someone else who offered the $42 in the first place.
 am i making any sense yet???

long day at work folks,... forgive my  ramblings.  it just seems as if there
is always someone on this list trying to provoke an arguement - and with the
wrong person.
sampler)  this is totally obsurd.

Can we please change the subject yet??

How about, if someone could post a general history of the band Shox from the
days of Axis??  I picked up the 45 a few weeks back for about $10 if memory
serves... and haven't listened to it yet.  One of the guys on the (back)
cover looks familiar...as does his name...John Pethers.  Anyone???

On another note, someone else mentioned Scheers second e.p. "Shea' " was so
much better than "Schism".  Whoever you are... you were right.  To anyone who
gave up after Schism, give 'em a second try.  And what is with this band
naming everything beginning with "Sch" anyway???  ah the mysteries of 4AD
never cease

~~blu~~
blubelknol@aol.com


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