Subject: Re: TWP:BWC
Subject: Re: TWP Bird Wood Cage and
Subject: Re: POLL RESULTS.3
Subject: what is this..?
Subject: RHP in Concert
Subject: Re: ESP Continent from IGG in US
Subject: Re: Pram
Subject: Re: Alainis Morriset
Subject: Re: ESP News/Astrobrite/lovesliescrushing/and more and more and
Subject: Re: ESP News/Astrobrite/lovesliescrushing/and more and more and
Subject: Re: bootlegs
Subject: hisnameisaLIVE/Defever-fest '95 tapes
Subject: Re: Alainis Morrisette
Subject: Re: Alainis Morriset
Subject: HNewsIA
Subject: prev subj -> Re: Scala (was: Seefeel)
Subject: Re: Scala (was: Seefeel)
Subject: Bel Canto - Magic Box review
Subject: also for sale...
Subject: Lush _lovelife_ cover
Subject: Re: ESP list!
Subject: PD-m imposters
Subject: Hallo from the Projekt list...
Subject: Re: Alainis Morrisette
Subject: Re: PD-m imposters
Subject: Re: ESP list?
Subject: Re: my mai pen rai is sold!
Subject: Cindytalk SF redux
Subject: Attack of the Nude Label-People!!!!!
Subject: Re: Alainis Morriset (OTP, BTW)
Subject: Re: Funky J.-info, Shinro Ohtake / ESP list?
Subject: Baraka
Subject: how can I unsuscribe
Subject: Re: Baraka
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover
Subject: 300-500 / Elastica / Sanskrit
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover
Subject: Re: 4AD does A.P.
Subject: Re: items for sale
Subject: Labradford, Bowery Electric, etc
Subject: Re: The Glee Club
Subject: Re: Alainis Morrisette
Subject: Re: my mai pen rai is sold!
Subject: Re: Baraka
Subject: Re: Funky J.-info, Shinro Ohtake / ESP list?
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover
Subject: Re: my mai pen rai is sold!
Subject: Re: my mai pen rai is sold!
Subject: Re: ESP News/Astrobrite/lovesliescrushing/and more and more and
Subject: Re: ESP News/Astrobrite/lovesliescrushing/and more and more and
Subject: Re: TWP-BWC
Subject: Re: POLL RESULTS.3
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover
Subject: Re: Lush _lovelife_ cover
Subject: Re: RHP in Concert
Subject: Re: TWP:BWC
Subject: Re: Nude Label - Part 1
Subject: Re: Nude Label - Part 2
Subject: this inane hnia/warren/who knows who and whatnot...
Subject: Re: 4AD does A.P./Brook
Subject: ESP Mailing List
Subject: Re: brilliance
Subject: Re: ESP News/Astrobrite/lovesliescrushing/and more and more and
Subject: Re: my mai pen rai is sold!
Subject: Cheap 4AD CDs (UK only, alas)
Subject: Re: Baraka
Subject: Re: ESP News/Astrobrite/lovesliescrushing/and more and more and
Subject: Re: my mai pen rai is sold!
Subject: Re: ESP Mailing List
Subject: auction
Chris Limb scatologizes:
>"Lovelife" pisses on anything Elastica have ever done
>from a VERY great height!
Can someone explain to me what's so awful about Elastica? They are
clearly derivative, but derivative of some excellent bands (Wire,
Stranglers, Pretenders, Blondie, etc.) whose sounds have lain dormant for
a while. And they wrote some of the best pop songs I heard all last year.
While I'm at it I'm also confused about the hatred of Alannis Morisette.
Granted she's pretty mainstream by our standards, but her songs are
decent and she has if nothing else made female rage acceptable to
mainstream America, for which I applaud her.
Heffalump reports:
>one book is a children's book, one I can't figure
> out (It's all in sanscrit)
Pretty impressive for a Japanese guy to be so well versed in a dead
Indian language! Are you sure you don't mean Kanji? Actually you probably
don't since Kanji is only one writing style in Japanese and the book
almost certainly has stuff in Katakana or Hiragana if not Romanji.
(Just me being pedantic...)
__________ __________________
Jens Alfke [email protected]
Dinosaurs early, dinosaurs later,
Dinosaurs jammed in an elevator! _______________________
www.inow.com/~jens/Jens
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:37:08 -0800
Whilst we're on the subj. of early TWP ... I had originally dismissed the
band after hearing "Lonely Is An Eyesore", since I considered "Cut the
Tree" to be the worst track on the comp, even duller than the predictable
Colourbox track. So I ignored them until 1992 when a friend lent me his
copy of "Queer" and I was thrown for a very pleasurable loop.
hear about those albums is the highest of praise, but I really find that
song booooring...
__________ __________________
Jens Alfke [email protected]
Dinosaurs early, dinosaurs later,
Dinosaurs jammed in an elevator! _______________________
www.inow.com/~jens/Jens
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:01:42 -0800
>For whoever asked about the Legendary WP and Standing Up Straight, they are
>far better than Bird Wood Cage which is itself far better than Queer and
>Funky. And yes they are more of the "Cut the Tree" sound. Much different and
>the word "Amazing" which I used before correctly describes my feeling about
>these albums. What a shame they suck now :(
Funny, I've seen a lot of posts like these. However, I must say that I like
"Queer" and "Funky Little Demons" a lot more than their older music. The
only other one I like as much is their first album. I don't know, I just
couldn't ever get into their slow, dark kind of music. Maybe it's because
it's not dark enough; it's sort of halfway between slowish pop-music and
goth (weird combo, I know, but that's about the only description I can think
of at the moment). I much prefer the more electronic sound they acquired on
their last two albums.
Jake
Who really shouldn't have paid all that money for Love&Rockets b-sides this
morning...
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 21:19:13 -0500
In regards to these 1995 Poll results....
someone is putting these into the FAQ right???
just a curiosity...
~~~blu
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:26:45 -0500
In a message dated 96-03-06 09:07:31 EST, you write:
>yes,it does annoy many but I was board because I haven't gottrn mail in a
>long
>time*hint,hint*and I kinda fell into your file. PLEASE weite back. Put
>subject
>under-LEEANN-THANX
> YOUR E-MAILING FRIEND-LEEANN
> P.S.-I AGREE
>
>
LEEANN-
Do you realize: 1) that you are receiving messages from a mailing list and 2)
that you are sending these messages to a mailing list of 400+ people.
jennifer
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 20:49:48 -0800
Someone on the list told me (confirmed) that RHP will playing in S.F. this
coming Sunday! Should be great to hear some of the "condemned" tunes once
again :)
El
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:36:22 -0600
I heard from one mail-order guy I called that ESP Continent would be
released domestically by the same label that did King of Sweet. Different
artwork, no lyric booklet.
Martin
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 00:56:49 -0500
I too was rather disappointed with the 'pramsters'. ok stereolab has
broken new ground but we can do more with it than this!
On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, the boy in zinc wrote:
> >Pram fans alert! Bovine Over Sussex W - an ultra-obscure uk outfit - have
> >created with their "Car Park Attendant Playset" 10" a work that blows the
> >somewhat-disappointing "Sargasso Sea" out of the ...er... sea! Horns, unCANny
> >beat-box rhythms, squiggly guitar figures, good old fashioned noise and
> >sample-craft. Keep your eyes glued on BOSW's every move!
>
> i thought sargasso sea was the best i've heard by the pramsters, save maybe
> the meshes ep, but imo, helium was pretty awful.
>
> BiZ
>
> thanks for all the useful info!
>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 01:07:36 -0500
There are alot of problems with our darling little alainis. primarily
that she is the equivalent of Tiffany or at lewast conceptually the Monkeys.
She is some producer's my fair lady. She was playing mall gigs and doing
line dance/cheerleader type music (ala gloria estefan) until she was
"discovered" and turned into the alternaqueen that so eloquently made
"female rage" acceptible to mainstream america. Too bad it was a male
producer's vision of female rage marketted to the mainstream america, so
that teenage flannel boys can fantasize about a woman running her nails
down his back.
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 21:19:05 -0500
more
In a message dated 96-03-06 14:04:59 EST, you write:
>* Expect the new HNIA album to be very COUNTRY! Yes, you heard it here
>first...
>
>
not very likely.... if Warren actually read this, I'm sure he'd be pretty
ticked. I don't know if you've heard any of the new stuff or not... I've
seen two of their performances so far where all they played was new songs...
and neither performance was 'country' oriented. In fact if you can describe
it as anything, the closest thing would be "folk"... and THATS stretching it
a bit. Country??? Pleez............................
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 21:20:26 -0500
more
In a message dated 96-03-06 20:17:21 EST, you write:
>Since whoever posted this update seems to have the lowdown on warrn/HNIA,
>perhaps s/he would be able to confirm or deny NHIA's being on the fight card
>for the chicago 'Shaving The Pavement' show... It would be very helpful
>for certain HNIA fans who find Lush otherwise repugnant.
>
>Muchos Gracias!
>
>dan
>
>
it is with 90% certainty that HNIA will appear in Chicago providing Warren
has ended his vacation by then. He said he would be taking a brief 'hiatus'
from recording, performing and such of the new "Stars on ESP" until sometime
in April.
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 00:55:56 -0600
Here's the info on my bootlegs
pixies
timeless stars- live at Town and Country may 88, and Live at newcastle Poly
may 89 (aprox 40 min)
Situation red- live in florda 92 (43:06)
Give me extasy- Doolittle Demos unknown recording location/time, Live in
liverpool may 89 (72:31)
Rough Dimonds- studio recordings: studio 4 london 3/5/88, hippodrome london
/10/88 studio 3 london 16/4/89 studio 5 london 18/8/90, studio 3 23/6/91,
Burbank 9/91, chicago 7/90, los angeles 6/90, blackwing london 2/5/88,
boston 3/87.
Breeders
cannonball93- various tour sites on the 93 tour.
All of the above are cd's except timeless stars which is a first generation
dub, I'll do my best to preserve that sound quality when I dub them all for
you.
_|^^^^^^^ -"Why are you banging your head against that wall?"
_|| | -"Because it will feel so good when I stop!"
-|o> @ |
-|< / [email protected]
-|} /
-| \ | +h3 6r& & 6l0r10u5 kumQu@+ "Ouch, My head hurts"
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 21:19:15 -0500
just a public service announcement...
to the 2 people to whom I still owe tapes to, they'll be on their way shorty.
In receiving so many orders, as you know I ran out of blanks and it's been
rather difficult to find the preferred TDK SA100's around here lately. I
prefer them not only because of the higher quality, but also the length... 2
of the shows run just under 50 min... which using a 90min, it would get cut
short, and wouldn't want to do that to you, so the search continues...
and to anyone else is interested, I am still making the tapes, but would
prefer it if you could send the $5 and tape instead of the whole $7 to cover
the cost of the tape, as they are hard to find. If you can only manage the
$7, I'll still accept it, but it might take me a bit longer to get to it.
i'm sure you will all enjoy the quality of the tape as a few on the list have
attested to.
any further questions, please respond privately~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~blu
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:09:30 -0600
Alanis is this year's Tracy Chapman.
Martin
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:09:46 -0800
She is the reincarnation of Lita Ford. End of discussion.
e
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 01:12:42 -0800
Is there any information / gossip available yet regarding a tour
supporting Stars on ESP? This should work out just about right... I'll be
21 in May... the chance to sit legally and soberly in a club enjoying his
name is alive live would be the most subarashii birthday present ever to
omoimasu.
Mike
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:58:22 -0600
I must have had Annelli Drecker on my head or sumthin'...anyway, look
to previous message for latest info on Seefeel offshoot.
I'll drown myself in sorrow, until I wake up tomorrow.
D. Stephen Roy //\\ Die in your thoughts every morning and
[email protected] \\// you will no longer fear death - Hakakure
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:40:01 -0600
I just received the following (on a folded mimeographed sheet with a
decided predilection for zapf chancery and hollywood fonts and mock
portraiture) in the snail-mail from Too Pure, and thought I'd share it
with you:=20
Scala
Hello! You might be wondering why you're being sent a mini fanzine about
the band, Scala. Well, to explain the whole story - there was once a ban=
d
called Seefeel, who released two albums, quite a few singles, and then
quickly disappeared before our eyes. Little did we know what was brewing
in the studio of Daren, Sarah, and Justin. Since the summer of 95, they
have been recording loads of songs as Scala, and have recently signed to
Too Pure Records.=20
Your address was on the Seefeel mailing list (either you wrote the band o=
r
you sent in your "please can I receive information about Seefeel" card)
which is why you have received this letter.=20
So I am Sheila, the person in charge of informing all the fans and runnin=
g
this information service. From now on I plan to run this service properl=
y
and make sure you always know what's going on. Somewhere in this fanzine
you will see another one of those "please can I receive information"
cards. I cannot stress enough how important it is that you send that bac=
k
to me. There are over one thousand people on the mailing list and I want
to make sure that you still want to be informed, as I don't want to send
you unwanted mail and it will make life easier for me. So, just cut alon=
g
the dotted lines and send it straight to the address inside. Now back to
the most important topic - MUSIC!! Scala are releasing two singles on To=
o
Pure in late April-May. Unfortunately these singles are limited to 500,
and will probably go very quickly. However, a compilation of the two
singles will be out on a CD in the late Spring! That will be available b=
y
mail order from Too Pure, but as the release date approaches, I will let
you know full details.=20
I'm really excited about Scala's releases, as their demos are sounding
supurb. Their sound ranges from moody dub to banging bass with a bit of
hardcore sex! But I think that guitarist Daren Seymour describes Scala
perfectly, as "music for late nite gardening!"=20
Enjoy (and don't forget that info card) Sheila X X O
Hello and welcome to the Scala fanzine/information sheet! We hope you
enjoy it. We'd just like to say a few words about the band, our
forthcoming releases, and Seefeel. Scala originally started as a side
group to Seefeel, as it was decided after our second album, Succour, to
take an extended break from the band Seefeel and explore what we wanted t=
o
do musically. So Justin, Sara, and myself begain working on Scala. I
feel that this band is more musically diverse and less disciplined, we do
whatever we feel ike! I think it's more interesting interesting for us t=
o
work this way and makes for some exciting tracks. We hope you think so
too. The first two single releases are very different from each other.=20
however, the big beats are right to the fore. Old habits die hard, but
the tracks are song orientated with a generally more upfront sound. As
Seefeel goes, we are planning to record together again, but not for
awhile. Watch this space!=20
All the best, Dare=
n
Sarah Peacock
date of birth: 14th August 1970
place of birth: king's Lynn
favourite films: If., Brazil, Billy Liar, Weekend, Taxi Driver, the Knack=
=20
[and how to get it], the Bed Sitting Room.
favourite bands: MBV, the Smiths, Bjork, Sonic Youth, Stereolab, Public=20
Enemy, Tricky
persons you admire most: Jo Brand, Chris Morris, Stephen Fry, John Peel,=20
Peter Cook.=20
habit you can=D5t break: drinking tea, Brookside, Eastenders
first thing you do when you wake up: peel my face offthe pillow
last thing you do before you go to sleep:
the last book you read: Concrete Island [J.G. Ballard]
your strength: big shoulders
your weakness: food
favourite thing to do in your spare time: watch tv/ ceefax
favourite place in the world besides home: top deck of the N53 bus
favourite piece of musical equipment/instrument: =D4the=D5 Korg A2
the craziest thing you've ever done: eat a carnation at the Calabash=20
restaurant in Sheffield
how would you describe yourself: over-
Daren Seymour
date of birth: July 19, 1968
place of birth: Reading, England
favourite films: Stalker, Solaris, Alphaville, the Great Rock n=D5n=D5 Ro=
ll=20
Swindle, Goodfellas, The Shining, Sleeper, Apocalypse Now
favourite bands: Cocteaus, Talk Talk, MBV, Rain Tree Crow, Scott Walker,=20
Massive Attack
persons you admire most: Andrey Tarkovsky, David Sylvian
habit you can=D5t break: staring at fruit, concrete
first thing you do when you wake up: check to see if I=D5ve lost anything=
!
last thing you do before you go to sleep: powder my ruherwear
the last book you read: Edie
your strength: being laid back
your weakness: being laid back
favourite thing to do in your spare time: be with my favourite person
favourite place in the world besides home: Berlin, Germany
favourite piece of musical equipment/instrument: the Flange Bucket [FB2-1=
]
the craziest thing you've ever done:taken my trousers off over my head!
how would you describe yourself: flat with a rippled underside
Justin Fletcher
date of birth: July 17, 1967
place of birth: Barenhurst, Kent
favourite films: Delicatessen, Man Bites Dog, Cinema Paradiso, Bugsy Malo=
ne
favourite bands: Talk Talk, Cocteau Twins, Black Uhuru, On U-Sound, MBV
persons you admire most: my mom!
habit you can't break: breaking wind in lifts
first thing you do when you wake up: smoke a tab
last thing you do before you go to sleep: kiss my girlfriend
the last book you read: Terry Prachet - Equal Rites
your strength: backhand with slice
your weakness: forehand with top
favourite thing to do in your spare time: make love; watch Charlton F.C.=20
[not at the same time!]
favourite place in the world besides home: S.W. England
favourite piece of musical equipment/instrument: pan pipes!
the craziest thing you've ever done: Surfing in the Atlantic [Gower=20
Peninsula-Wales] in the pouring rain when the temperature was in the=20
minus figures. [Massive shrinkage and frostbite!]
how wold you describe yourself: Crude, Lewd, Chirpy, and Cheap
If you want to receive more information about Scala=20
(and you will get a reply!), please send this card back to:
Scala Information OR Scala Information
Too Pure Records Too Pure Records
3A Highbury Crescent 3500 W. Olive
London, N5 1RN Burbank, CA
ENGLAND 91505 USA
NAME........................................
ADDRESS.....................................
............................................
CITY/STATE..................................
ZIPCODE/POSTCODE............................
COUNTRY.....................................
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:30:42 +0100
Bel Canto - Magic Box
Well, after 4 (or more, I can't remember anymore;) years it finally arrived;
the new album from Bel Canto.
It has been out for several days already, but obviously I needed some
days to listen to it before I wrote a review.
The album starts and ends with Magic Box 1 and 2, respectively, which
are just some sort of jingles really to catch up with the title of
the album, as they sound just like those magic boxes, if you know what
I mean.
Then in sequential order these tracks are revealed:
-'Magic Box 1' opens the box.
-'In Zenith' is a promising start. Eastern influenced. The song develops
really well, and has a nice instrumental fiddle section near the end,
before it's tuned down again.
-Then comes 'Freelunch in the Jungle' which is very far from the Bel Canto
we use to know. Very up-beat, jungle rhytms. I haven't really got used
to it. It even has a 'yo' in it from some male rapper dude.
I remember hearing that this song actually developed from an outcast
to a commercial which Nils was to do the music for.
-'Rumour' sees Bel Canto almost entering the world of commercial euro-dance
music. It's a very accessible song, destined to be the hit song of the
album, like 'Shimmering, Warm and Bright' from their previous album.
But hey, I can stand it.
-'Sleepwalker' is the return of Bel Canto as we've learned to know them.
Rather slow rhythms put Annelis voice more in focus. Spiced with occasional
acoustic guitar, and an atmospheric synth-layer almost unhearable in the
background.
-'Bombay' developed from excerpts of the orchestral piece they wrote some
years ago, and which name I just can't remember at the moment, although
I know it so bloody well. Anyway, it's good, but i think it worked better
before they reworked it. As the name implies, the songs is heavily eastern
influenced.
-The next one 'Paradise' is a beauty. Again a very accessible song.
Built around a drum loop they probably got from the father of Anneli's
child, Per Martinsen aka Mental Overdrive. Beautiful and sad at the same
time.
'Didn't you know it' is another upbeat song. Dunno why, but it reminds me
of Bjork, although it sounds more like a straight dance song.
-'Big Belly Butterfly' slows it down again. Nut much to say about it really,
except that I somewhat unconsciously connect this song to the Norwegian
TV-series 'Butterfly', which is a soap-opera that totally blows away
all I've seen of foreign competitors when it comes to bad acting and
unrealistic dialogue. (Making it an awesome comedy;)
-'Kiss of Spring' is an acoustic-countryish tune. As with 'Didn't you know
it' and 'Bombay' this song was one of the first songs recorded for the
album, or atleast I'd heard all of these a long time before this album
was released. It's a nice camp-fire song, but everybody can do this can't
they?
-'Magic box 2' closes the box.
Conclusion please: This IS a good album, but not an awesome one.
Although it is the departure from the synthetic Bel Canto we used to
know, introducing a Bel Canto with a more natural sound. (..and
heavy production-wise), this has removed much of the mysticism and
arctic coldness which used to make them so unique.
(Get Biosphere back in you hear me?)
I'll be back with another review in 10 years when their next album is
released ;)
-kJeTiL
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
E-mail : [email protected] Real name: Kjetil Kristiansen
Snail mail: Bratsbergveien 62, 7037 Tr.heim, Norway
"God said it, I believe it, that settles it. (TM)"
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:55:55 +0200
also taking bids on
various artists - melody maker 7" with the cocteau twins, the fall, more...
sorry to fill your mailboxes...
s25
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:16:30 -0800
Oh boy, I just bought the lovelife CD and saw that misleading cover.
It's some black guy in a greenhouse holding up a Lush sign. Now maybe
theres a lot of rap people out there who would dig the cover and buy the
CD, but then realize it ain't rap. Anyway, pretty sneaky advertising.
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:12:52 -0500
On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Heffalump wrote:
>
> Number two:
> Has anyone considered creating an ESP- or Time Stereo- or Warren Defever-
> or all three mailing & discussion list? I think it would be a good idea...
> What do *you* think?
>
> Mike
>
YES!!!!!!!!!! WE NEED ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:06:04 -0500
Did anyone catch the psuedo-PD-m show a while back?
It was billed as PD-m, but was actually a bunch of imposters!
K. Moggwump's wife drew on Kenny's tatoos on Alex (Grace Brother) of
Square D Company and he and a bunch of people did a noise show pretending
to be PD-m!!!
anybody on the list there???
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:12:45 -0800
Guess what, chiluns... there's finally a Projekt list! It's brand
new apparently, and I'll wager that its 'small' size is about to double or
triple now that the word is out to 4ad-l!
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 05:28:30 -0500 (EST)
Welcome to the Projekt list...
I haven't written up any little official message to send out to people
newly subscribed, but I think you know if you shouldn't be here...
If this is the case, email:
[email protected] with the message:
unsubscribe mesmerized
to subscribe someone email [email protected] with the message:
subscribe mesmerized
to send a message to the list, email:
[email protected]
I can't think of anything to start off with so I'll let you lovely people
come up with that...
This list is very small atm, so please let anyone who might be interested
know about it...it also isn't yet automated, though I hope it will be
fairly soon...thanks for your patience...
thank ye,
elyria
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 06:54:59 -0600
She sucks. End of discussion [please].
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:25:14 -0500
what/who the hell is/are PD-m?? (please dont tell me to consult
the FuckinAQ)....
dan
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:43:20 -0500
>as my own tastes tend more toward the HNIA/DCD/TMC/CT's than toward the
>lush/pixies/redhousepainters/ end of 4AD, the frequent ESP and Warren
>related posting keeps me active in this group. take them away, and
>perhaps we'll lose more members than myself...
agreed
>one final note: why doesnt HNIA have a wwweb page?
hey... i've been working on it, honest!
diligently, for months, it's not my fault Warren's so prolific.
reid
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:18:15 -0500
In a message dated 96-03-05 02:59:00 EST, you write:
>i also know about exploitation,
>and NOBODY should be selling a free cd for 43 dollars.
1st of all, I don't believe it's exploitation if a person is willing to pay
the amount since it's obviously worth that much to that person. One person
might be willing to pay only $60 for a "13 Year Itch", whereas I for example
would be willing to pay as much as $80 or even $85 based on what I've seen it
for, how often I've seen one (both personally, over the net for sale, etc.)
Secondly.... since when was this ever a free CD??? I think you're getting
"Mai Pen Rai" confused with "...think I'm getting the hang of it", "Facing
the Wrong Way" and the "No Balls" samplers.
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:43:32 -0700
Mail*Link(r) SMTP Cindytalk SF redux
cindytalk came to the bay area, but as [email protected] has confessed,
the planning was a shambles, and 3 of the four planned gigs evapourated
into mists of disappointment and confusion.
i'll save my venting at him for a private forum.
i went to the show on the campus of Santa Clara university. the performance
was to take place in the student union. it felt like that scene in
"Spinal Tap" where the band playes a gig at a holiday inn for a bunch of
air force people. it had all the atmosphere and mystery of a gig in a mall
pizza hut. less than 20 people managed to decode the vague clues about the
show and solve the labyrinth of SCU to actually brave it.
trance to the sun opened and played for about 45 minutes. they are
a two piece from santa barbara: boy on effects-laden guitar swirl and
girl singing ethereally with some backing tapes and drum machine.
musically, there was a fair amount of early cure, some love spirals
downwards, and a smidge of love lies crushing. interesting, but not
compelling.
next was astronOut, a forgettable local attempt at ambient industrial/mild
noise creation. they seemed like a bunch of boys out of the garage
for the first time with their electronic toys. i'll pass.
there was some doubt about whether cindytalk would even attempt to play.
finally cindytalk took the platform. gordon was wearing a shiny metallic
dress and a silk blouse. gordon went directly into "the first
time ever..." his vocals were beautiful, despite of the horrid PA which
was incapable of producing a steady, undistorted sound. without pause,
the band erupted into "muster", and gordon's smooth voice became a
harsh invocation. after muster they played 2 new songs which sounded
like natural progressions from the wappinschaw sound. the percussionist
was using a steering wheel and some metal tools to provide chromed clanking
sounds, david ros was whipping up some wonderful guitar noise, the chap
on samplers seemed busy supplying spooky samples and misc sounds. this was
the background to gordon, who knelt before his notebook and read poetry
in his rich scottish accent.
this went on for about 5 minutes and then the band left the stage.
afterwards, i got to talk to gordon. he was good natured, friendly and
only mildly frustrated. he just said that they felt that the environment
was appropriate for improvisation, and they stopped when they had
accomplished all they could there. when i asked about the booking madness
he commented that the east coast portion of the tour had gone very smoothly,
and that things had completely unravelled on the west coast.
fortunately, cindytalk will be returning to san francisco this friday,
here is the information I got from the Involved Designs people
who are running the Cindytalk american tour... please go.
there will be a show in SF this friday, March 8th.
it will be hosted by the "A Winter Gone By" folks at the Maritime Hall
in SF (450 Harrison Street near 1st). Last weekend the evening was called
"Labyrinth." It should be 18 and up.
brendan
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:51:41 -0500
So...
>>In 1982 all 4AD 12"s sported this 'Two nude women' picture (I don't think
they are wrestling!). All LP's had the same pic, but 'distorted' (i.e.
inversed) And the 7" featured those 2 guys. The full picture can be found on
the frontcover of the 'Natures Mortes' LP (why didn't they use the full
picture of the women?)<<
Now I'm sure this isn't in the FAQ, but does anyone know who the people are
on these labels? Yes, it sounds like a silly question, but on the "Male"
labels and the cover art of NATURES MORTES, on of them looks very much like
Ivo. Could this be Ivo and Peter Kent? Anyone.
Also, anyone know the origins of this little design concept? Is there some
basis for it other than it just being mysterious and/or pretentious.
And, yes, call me irrepressibly heterosexual, but the two women for the front
would have been my preferred choice too, but hey. Maybe they had really big
butts.
TA DA!!!
Roy
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 07:16:47 -0600
On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, einexile the meek wrote:
> She is the reincarnation of Lita Ford. End of discussion.
Nah, Alanis isn't that cheesy. I'm not _defending_ Alanis, mind you. :)
But even America's bankrupt pop culture would never have given the likes
of Lita Ford album sales of 6 million!
Once again I'd say she's this year's Tracy Chapman. Mega-hit debut,
darling of the critics and the Grammys. Watch her next album stall at 2
million and her third struggle to hit 1 million. Remember how Tracy was a
one-hit wonder who after two years was on the "where are they now?"
roster (though she seems to be crawling back up these days). Among the
fickle mass audience, the period from "next big thing" to "buzz bin" to
multiplatinum to "been there done that" is getting shorter and shorter.
It used to be years and now it's months. See how sophomore albums by
Green Day and Blind Melon have been greeted with apathy. I await with
glee the demise of the Presidents of the USA! (Christ, what was anybody
_thinking_?!)
Frankly I
think artists should have enough sense by now to know that sweeping the
Grammys is a sure-fire way to torpedo your career. "Hey, didn't Milli
Vanilli win one of those?"
Martin
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:19:13 -0500
In a message dated 96-03-05 04:46:59 EST, you write:
>Number two:
>Has anyone considered creating an ESP- or Time Stereo- or Warren Defever-
>or all three mailing & discussion list? I think it would be a good idea...
>What do *you* think?
>
>Mike
>
>
>
there is currently in work 2 separate hnia/Warren Defever oriented websites
in the works that I know of.... (one courtesty yours truely).
As far as mailing lists, I believe it's the same case as was a year ago when
someone suggested (and tried??) a Cocteau Twins mailing list, but there
simply wasn't enough traffic for a single band of the 4AD-genre.
Anyone know of any others???
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:20:13 +1900
The video 'Baraka' is available in the US through the PBS Home Video Catalog.
They have a 24 hour toll-free number (1-800-645-4PBS) for credit card
purchases. The order number is A1539 and the price is $29.98.
Tom
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:54:12 -0500
Hello !
I have sent some unsuscribe messages to the [email protected]
and my computer continues to recieve a lot of e-mail messages from 4AD-L.
Somebody could help me, please?. Isn't so cool to have to delete everyday
a lot of messages that don't interest me.
Thank you in advance for all your time and support
e-mail : [email protected]
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:57:50 -0500
On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group wrote:
> The video 'Baraka' is available in the US through the PBS Home Video Catalog.
> They have a 24 hour toll-free number (1-800-645-4PBS) for credit card
> purchases. The order number is A1539 and the price is $29.98.
or you could go to tower and get it for 14.99...
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:51:42 -0600
At 10:15 PM 3/6/96 +0100, you wrote:
>D
>
>Cool! Lets make a word:
>
>U
L
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:55:20 -0500
On Tue, 5 Mar 1996 [email protected] wrote:
> Oh boy, I just bought the lovelife CD and saw that misleading cover.
> It's some black guy in a greenhouse holding up a Lush sign. Now maybe
> theres a lot of rap people out there who would dig the cover and buy the
> CD, but then realize it ain't rap. Anyway, pretty sneaky advertising.
>
....'tha fuck is this?!!! 'rap people'?? is that interchangable with
'black people'?? you better check yourself before somebody kicks your ass.
'misleading cover'?? ...so you wouldn't normally purchase a cd which featured
a black person on its sleeve??
you make me sick.
no really.
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:37:15 -0800
Laurent suggests:
>2 lines on the FAQ should be nice, since this part of v23 artwork can
>be found on many CDs... Sure Jens would add it if anyone write 2 lines
>about that.
It's been in the FAQ for years! Viz:
releases?
linear velocity, which means the angular velocity goes from
about 500 RPM at the start (inside edge) down to about 300 RPM at the end
(outside). It's a joke, son. Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:48:43 EST
----- Begin Included Message -----
Oh boy, I just bought the lovelife CD and saw that misleading cover.
It's some black guy in a greenhouse holding up a Lush sign. Now maybe
theres a lot of rap people out there who would dig the cover and buy the
CD, but then realize it ain't rap. Anyway, pretty sneaky advertising.
----- End Included Message -----
i'm sorry, but are you joking? if not, what are you thinking?
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:22:19 -0600
When I first saw this new design campaign for Lush on the Single Girl
digipak I thought "What the fuck?", since it's not exactly the sort of
art direction one's used to seeing from those fine folks at v23. But now
that I've seen many different examples of it, on the Ladykiller discs and
the album itself...I don't know...something strikes me as kind of funny
about it all. Just these random guys, no one knows who the hell they are,
standing around in public places holding up a big Lush logo. I can think
of worse ways to be a public nuisance. :)
Martin
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:49:27 PST
-erikiven loving noted:
>For example, Ivo was talking about 4ad's new lineup and made a statement
>that really touched me and made me want to post it in this group of
>close-minded individuals.
Well, gee, thanks. Now what do you mean by "close-minded individuals"? Do
you mean people who are hesistant to fawn all over some of 4AD's recent
releases? If so, then I would agree I am either a) a close-minded
individual, or b) that I buy music based on its appeal to me, not solely
on the label on which it is issued.
>Ivo said "...If people aren't able to get what they want from us any
>longer, then I hope that they're able to find it somewhere else" -I think
>that is so true and hope many people here will take it into consideration.
I think a lot of people here already have taken this into consideration.
Observe the number of posts, here on the 4AD list, which are concern with
groups/artists not on 4AD. This is pretty much a non-issue on this list, as
far as I can see...
>In other words, if you don't like what I do... FUCK OFF!!!
>-respectively, that is.
My, what a bold statement of intellectual independence.
weekend. The jury is still out on this one. It's not as instantly appealing
as "Mustt Mustt", but that doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. It sounds
less "ambient" than their previous collaboration, and slightly more
contemporary. I'll post a more complete review later. Hey cz, weren't you
going to review this?
I also found the Eno/Wobble disc, and I will second e's recommendation. On
a related note (though not too thislisty) I see that Gyroscope has reissued
the Eno/Cluster collaborations. An add in Option compares them to Music for
Airports. Can someone (e?) recommend/review these to/for me? (I seem to be
the "collaboration mode" this month).
Martin
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:36:50 -0600
"section25" at Mar 5, 96 03:14:19 pm
whoever posted this sale, please post or send me your e-mail address....I
would like to buy, but can't find your address....
thanks,
steve
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:36:51 -0500
hey, some info on an upcoming show in Cleveland OH
Happy Go Lucky, Bent Crayon, and Speak in Tongues Present:
Infrequencies (v.1)
Fri March 29:
Astrobrite
Ladybug Transistor
Saturnine
Poem Rocket
Bowery Electric
Sat March 30:
Sabine
Golden
Tall Cedars (members of eggs and pitchblende)
Trans Am
Labradford
Both shows start at 9pm
Speak in Tongues is located at 4311 Lorain Ave. cleveland oh
Tickets are being sold in advance: $12 for both nights and $7 each night
For more information call Bent Crayon at 216.221.9200
later,
john c
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:27:13 -0500
sorry if this has been raised before, but what happened to the Glee Club?
(i didnt see mention of them in the FAQ, though I may have missed it)
Are they still on 4AD? Are they still making music? Is anything happening
soon?
thanks in advance
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:15:17 CST
> Alanis is this year's Tracy Chapman.
I still think she sounds like Taylor Dane.
later on,
Thad
"This isn't death, this is just a textural event"
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:07:50 -0500
On Tue, 5 Mar 1996 [email protected] wrote:
> Secondly.... since when was this ever a free CD??? I think you're getting
> "Mai Pen Rai" confused with "...think I'm getting the hang of it", "Facing
> the Wrong Way" and the "No Balls" samplers.
>
> [email protected]
>
i believe if you check the back-side of your cardboard slipcase, there is
stamped in gold lettering something like:
4AD Retail Sampler
For Promotional Use Only
Not For Sale
there is a difference between fair market price and gouge-ing. the
question becomes do you want to make someone else happy by providing them
the things they want at a fair price, or do you want to make as much
money as they are willing to pay.
i suppose that's quite an unamerican point of view, isnt it?
dan
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:39:36 -0800
I just got a copy of the video at a local "Borders" store. This is a
pretty big chain so there should be a store nearby. They sell them for
$19 plus change. The video itself is excellent, but they unfortunately
have Siskel and Ebert's "Two Thumbs Up" endorsement on the cover.
On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group wrote:
> The video 'Baraka' is available in the US through the PBS Home Video Catalog.
> They have a 24 hour toll-free number (1-800-645-4PBS) for credit card
> purchases. The order number is A1539 and the price is $29.98.
>
> Tom
> [email protected]
>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:50:09 -0500
>
> As far as mailing lists, I believe it's the same case as was a year ago when
> someone suggested (and tried??) a Cocteau Twins mailing list, but there
> simply wasn't enough traffic for a single band of the 4AD-genre.
>
> Anyone know of any others???
>
> [email protected]
>
There is too a CT mailing list! I didn't have any messages from
it in my inbox, or I would tell you where it is. It's not as massive as
this list, but it's had a fair amount of traffic during the short time
that I've been subscribed to it. Anywez, if anyone is interested in
knowing where the CT list is, mail me personally or I could post it or
something when I get my ass in gear and find the subscribe message. I
hope I saved it...
Much Love,
Chris.
"If there's been a way to build it,
There'll be a way to destroy it,
Things are not all that out of control" -Stereolab "Crest"
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:26:55 -0500
Excerpts from internet.listserv.4ad-l: 5-Mar-96 Lush _lovelife_ cover by
[email protected]
> Oh boy, I just bought the lovelife CD and saw that misleading cover.
> It's some black guy in a greenhouse holding up a Lush sign. Now maybe
> theres a lot of rap people out there who would dig the cover and buy the
> CD, but then realize it ain't rap. Anyway, pretty sneaky advertising.
what the hell?!? who would have ever thought that lush would stoop so
low as to use a black guy on a cd cover. lord forbid anyone other than
the band be on the cover of their umteenth release. you knowi almost
thought that they were like avant garde after seeing the covers for the
hypocrite and desire lines eps.
and since most record stores that would stock lush and rap cds would be
large enough to separate the two into their respective genres i think
whoever came up with this new marketing ploy should be terminated.
dScott
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:29:44 -0800
I personally thought these last few comments on the
"black guy on the Lush CD cover" could be interpreted
as stereotyped and racist (even if maybe the last one was
perhaps not totally serious), and I'm hoping this doesn't turn into
a huge flame war. All I'm asking is if something like
this does happen, then please carry it out personally
rather than over the entire list.
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:52:26 EST
----- Begin Included Message -----
Secondly.... since when was this ever a free CD??? I think you're getting
"Mai Pen Rai" confused with "...think I'm getting the hang of it", "Facing
the Wrong Way" and the "No Balls" samplers.
[email protected]
----- End Included Message -----
my understanding is that 'mai pen rai' was a retail sampler. i got mine
free by working at a indie record store. same with 'and dog bones too'.
kinda of made up for getting paid next to nothing.
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:35:55 -0600
>Secondly.... since when was this ever a free CD??? I think you're getting
>"Mai Pen Rai" confused with "...think I'm getting the hang of it", "Facing
>the Wrong Way" and the "No Balls" samplers.
mpr was a promotional cd, and by definition all promos are free to the
original owner. duh.
BiZ
"i know a place, a beautiful place, where the moon kisses the sea in a
nighttime embrace. forever and ever. . ."
-pram "sea swells and distant squalls"
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:08:24 CST
more
>>* Expect the new HNIA album to be very COUNTRY! Yes, you heard it here
>>first...
>>
>>
>
>not very likely.... if Warren actually read this, I'm sure he'd be pretty
>ticked. I don't know if you've heard any of the new stuff or not... I've
>seen two of their performances so far where all they played was new songs...
> and neither performance was 'country' oriented.
and i know them better than you do! nyaah nyaah nyaah! don't try to
upstage me! ;)
bitterly yours,
BiZ
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:28:55 -0500
more
....the syncophantic slags all say:
"I knew him first!" and "I knew him well"....
paint a vulgar picture
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:00:57 +0100
Mail*Link(r) SMTP RE>TWP:BWC
I highly disagree (but then again that is very subjective). I think Cut the
Tree is one of TWP's best work. Their earlier stuff is probably more in that
vein than the newer stuff. Don't get me wrong though, I like the new stuff
too. The old stuff is very different and very varied. "The Burden of Mules" is
very "experimental". "The Legendary..." is very eclectic and is their best
work as far as I'm concerned. "Standing Up Straight" is much like cut the tree
really only a little better (of course "I am the Crime" is the most grandiose
song that I can think of.)
"Bird Wood Cage" sees hints of going "funky", very eclectic as well, excellent
album.
After that they changed styles completely "queer" and "funky little demons"
are very interesting in a way. I agree with whoever said they are the few
white boys who understand the word funk.
Anyway, just thought I'd share my inner self with whoever cares :)
-nb-
Jens wrote -----
Whilst we're on the subj. of early TWP ... I had originally dismissed the
band after hearing "Lonely Is An Eyesore", since I considered "Cut the
Tree" to be the worst track on the comp, even duller than the predictable
Colourbox track. So I ignored them until 1992 when a friend lent me his
copy of "Queer" and I was thrown for a very pleasurable loop.
hear about those albums is the highest of praise, but I really find that
song booooring...
__________ __________________
Jens Alfke [email protected]
Dinosaurs early, dinosaurs later,
Dinosaurs jammed in an elevator! _______________________
www.inow.com/~jens/Jens
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:05:20 -0800
Uh, I hadn't considered putting the new poll results into the FAQ. But it
does make a certain amount of sense! I'd probably make it a separate page
linked from the FAQ.
I haven't kept my copies of the poll results. And I've forgotten who's
running the poll -- sorry! Could the pollster please send me the results
again? If you could HTMLize them first that would be extra super cool,
but otherwise I'll do the grunge work.
__________ __________________
Jens Alfke [email protected]
Dinosaurs early, dinosaurs later,
Dinosaurs jammed in an elevator! _______________________
www.inow.com/~jens/Jens
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:24:30 -0800
alexm posted this jaw-dropper:
>Oh boy, I just bought the lovelife CD and saw that misleading cover.
>It's some black guy in a greenhouse holding up a Lush sign. Now maybe
>theres a lot of rap people out there who would dig the cover and buy the
>CD, but then realize it ain't rap. Anyway, pretty sneaky advertising.
In other words, a record with a black man on the cover signifies rap
music? If we're going to generalize about black men, I thought they were
thislisty, since AR Kane recorded for 4AD.
Maybe alex has a point. I myself bought Buffalo Tom's "Let Me Come Over"
thinking it would be didjeridoo music since it has an Australian
aborigine on the cover. D00dz, wuz I suprized!!!
__________ __________________
Jens Alfke [email protected]
Dinosaurs early, dinosaurs later,
Dinosaurs jammed in an elevator! _______________________
www.inow.com/~jens/Jens
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:33:08 -0800
On Tue, 5 Mar 1996 [email protected] wrote:
> Oh boy, I just bought the lovelife CD and saw that misleading cover.
> It's some black guy in a greenhouse holding up a Lush sign. Now maybe
> theres a lot of rap people out there who would dig the cover and buy the
> CD, but then realize it ain't rap. Anyway, pretty sneaky advertising.
Yeah, the cover struck me, too. I like it, it's pretty original.
Its nonabstractness is also kind of indicative of what the music is
like--mainly 'Not Shoegazing'.
I bought Lovelife last night, and was pretty disappointed. I'm
not usually one to mind a bit of a style change (I'm one of those people
who like Catherine Wheel's "Happy Days"), but the truth is that at least
half of the songs on Lovelife are simply weak. The singles are pretty
good, as well as about three other songs, but the rest leave a LOT to be
desired. But I've only listened to it once.
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 12:35:07 -0800
>Someone on the list told me (confirmed) that RHP will playing in S.F. this
>coming Sunday! Should be great to hear some of the "condemned" tunes once
>again :)
It'll be at Bottom of the Hill. I don't remember the price off the top of
my head, but I'm sure it's under $10.
Jake
... still lookin' for that Pixies B-sides boot
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:11:08 +0000
Jens Alfke
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:43:45 +0100
>>>In 1982 all 4AD 12"s sported this 'Two nude women' picture (I don't think
>they are wrestling!). All LP's had the same pic, but 'distorted' (i.e.
>inversed) And the 7" featured those 2 guys. The full picture can be found on
>the frontcover of the 'Natures Mortes' LP (why didn't they use the full
>picture of the women?)<<
>
>Now I'm sure this isn't in the FAQ, but does anyone know who the people are
>on these labels? Yes, it sounds like a silly question, but on the "Male"
>labels and the cover art of NATURES MORTES, on of them looks very much like
>Ivo. Could this be Ivo and Peter Kent? Anyone.
You are right!! And by the way, the 2 girls are Emma and Miki from Lush,
pictured when they were 13 years old!!!
Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
+++++++++++++++++++
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:44:00 +0100
>>>In 1982 all 4AD 12"s sported this 'Two nude women' picture (I don't think
>they are wrestling!). All LP's had the same pic, but 'distorted' (i.e.
>inversed) And the 7" featured those 2 guys. The full picture can be found on
>the frontcover of the 'Natures Mortes' LP (why didn't they use the full
>picture of the women?)<<
>
>Also, anyone know the origins of this little design concept? Is there some
>basis for it other than it just being mysterious and/or pretentious.
It IS something of a concept for sure. I don't know how many of you out
there have that little 1984 24-pages full colour 4AD catalogue, but the
labels for 1980, 1981, 1982 and 1983 are shown there on separate pages: 1980
1 label, 1981 2 labels, 1982 3 labels and 1983 5 labels.
Let's call it mysterious, not pretentious.
Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
+++++++++++++++++++
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:44:42 -0800
> >not very likely.... if Warren actually read this, I'm sure he'd be pretty
> >ticked. I don't know if you've heard any of the new stuff or not... I've
> >seen two of their performances so far where all they played was new songs...
> > and neither performance was 'country' oriented.
well, just to make a point...what plays on record and what plays live
are two different things. take the rather loud AVAM appearance, for
starters...
one more point, i'm getting the feeling that there is some weirded
out competition {no names mentioned, i can't keep up with them all}
about who has better/more current hnia/warren info and who is "in"
with that whole scene and who isn't.
personally, who cares? there's plenty of room for everyone to be
schmoozy with them, or to get info from them, or whatever. no need
to show off/boast about your "tie-in"..or lack thereof....
happiness all around,
k-j
...doesn't know anyone and proud of it...
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:02:19 -0700
6 Mar 1996 15:49:27 PST
> -erikiven loving noted:
> >In other words, if you don't like what I do... FUCK
> OFF!!!
> >-respectively, that is.
Martin H. aptly noted:
> My, what a bold statement of intellectual independence.
But i wonder whether we, as "close-minded individuals" are supposed to
do that *respectfully* or *respectively* ... and if we do so respectively then
who will go first?
The real reason i replied:
> Obthislisty: I picked up the Michael Brook/Nusrat Fateh
> Ali Khan album this weekend. The jury is still out on
> this one. ...It
> sounds less "ambient" than their previous collaboration,
> and slightly more contemporary.
I was hoping both the Brook-Indian/Pakistani collaborations would be more
ambient in one way or another. I like them both for what they are but his input
seems less significant than it could have been. He's almost always in the
background.
> I'll post a more complete review later.
> Hey cz, weren't you going to review this?
Um, yeah. But i'm too busy right now and would love to see your review relieve
me of duty. :)
-cz
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 18:44:34 -0500
I've got several emails asking if I could use my site for the ESP mailing
list.
I'm going to offer my time and resources to set up a MajorDomo list
dedicated
to the Defeverized sounds from Superfun, MI. If we set it up, it'd be
very cool,
with web services and archiving and the like.
Another reason I'd like it at my site is so that we could have all the
HNIA
type things located in one place (not to upstage BluBelKnol, I know he too
is working on a web page, and don't want to leave him in the dust). I'm
also
trying to get pages in the works for Time Stereo/Record Collector, but
that's
pending on Davn? (I think).
My question is, if I set up this list, will people use it? I don't want
to
set it up to find one or two messages dribbling through, it'd be a waste
of
my time and resources (as well as my friends who'd be helping me set it up
on their machine).
If I hear a definative yes, I'll set it up this weekend, and will only
need
to know what to call it :^>
Just so you know.
Reid
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:47:24 -0500
>I think they are still fuckin brilliant regardless of what it sounds like, I
>feel the same way about HNIA. And if you don't like that, then just shut up
>and stop buying lush releases. If you thought the singles sucked, then why
>on earth would anyone go and get the album the exact same day it came out.
>I did, but then again, I thought the singles were great and now... I think
>LOVELIFE is even greater! SFW!!??!
f 'n potty mouth...
Why bash people over the head for buying a new lush single, saying they don't
like it, yet still buy the new album? Singles are padded with b-sides which
usually precede the album to whet the appetites of fans (rabid or no) waiting
for the real lp. In other words, the singles presumably will not be up to
par with the lp release, but this will probably *not* stop someone from
buying the lp itself.
jason
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ps-did you think "Tinkerbell" was...great?
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 19:57:25 -0500
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GuerrillaG wrote:
>an ASTROBRITE new hope for dreampop
>(Astrobrite = Jason Baron + Scott and Andrew from loveslies... +
>O'dell(Majesty Crush)
^^^^^^
Which one from Majesty Crush is he? Instrumentally, they're pretty cool, but
their singer is an ass, to be quite frank.
>* There will probably be a limited double-vinyl version of "Xuyvetn"...
> with lots of stuff
> not included on the cd.
>
>* It's pronounced "Zuy-ve-teen", in case you cared...
It's also spelled *Xuvetyn*...
>LILYS have signed with Che ... new album is completed, and the advance word
>includes lots of mention of "Kinks" and "Monkees"... :( Uh-oh.
I suspected as much after the interview with Kurt Heasley in AP a few months
ago, where he was praising The Monkees (or to be more precise, their
hired-gun songwriters)
>Go in peace...
An nyeong ha se yo to you too
Jens wrote:
>While I'm at it I'm also confused about the hatred of Alannis Morisette.
>Granted she's pretty mainstream by our standards, but her songs are
>decent and she has if nothing else made female rage acceptable to
>mainstream America, for which I applaud her.
Why do people hate her? Because her rage is FAKE. Maybe people outside
Canada aren't clued in to this, but imagine if Paula Abdul suddenly became
all angry and shouty in a calculated move to cash in on the fashionability
of such things, then you'd have an idea of how un-genuine and
alternative-by-numbers Alanis' image really is. I mean, she co-writes her
songs with someone who wrote stuff for Wilson Phillips!
Larry
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:18:43 -0500
In a message dated 96-03-07 14:48:07 EST, you write:
>mpr was a promotional cd, and by definition all promos are free to the
>original owner. duh.
>
>BiZ
>
>
does this mean you got your lilliput for free too??? hardly.
-blu
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:05:42 +0000
HMV are having one of their "three for twenty quid" sales, only it's
three for twenty-one quid this time. ALL the big name 4AD albums are
there - what looked like every album by the Cocteaus, Pixies, Muses,
Belly (even "King"), Breeders, DCD, Wolfgang Press, Kristin Hersh,
Lush, (didn't notice Pale Saints but I guess they are there), UVS.
Does this mean 4AD is planning a mid-price reissue campaign, or are HMV
selling these things for half their normal HMV price? Bjork's "Post"
was there, too, which suggests it hasn't exactly been selling well.
I bought "Throwing Muses" (only Muses album I hadn't got on CD rather
than vinyl, given up waiting for them to do the right thing and put
"Chains Changed" on it), "Pod" (again, I have this on vinyl, but until
next payday vinyl is consigned to the DUSTBIN OF HISTORY as I'm not
going to risk plugging my dodgy old turntable into my nice new
amplifier), and "Rev" (I wasn't over-impressed with the accompanying
"Blood and Thunder" EP, but some people rave about this one so I
thought I'd give it a go).
Oh, and if you are into creepy pop songs about murder, emotional torment
and car crashes, try the Auteurs' "After Murder Park", recorded by Steve
Albini - I had written the Auteurs off as a second-rate band for some
reason, but this is superb - as if the Beatles had recorded "Revolver"
after overdosing on J G Ballard.
--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 07/03/96
[email protected], http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
The Wedding Present - Watusi
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:18:31 -0500
In a message dated 96-03-07 10:03:18 EST, you write:
>The video 'Baraka' is available in the US through the PBS Home Video
Catalog.
>They have a 24 hour toll-free number (1-800-645-4PBS) for credit card
>purchases. The order number is A1539 and the price is $29.98.
>
>Tom
>[email protected]
>
>
>
Besides having a soundtrack generally comprised of a bunch of DCD tracks,...
what is this film about???
general story??
anyone??
-blu
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:19:59 -0500
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In a message dated 96-03-07 13:33:49 EST, you write:
>and i know them better than you do! nyaah nyaah nyaah! don't try to
>upstage me! ;)
>
>bitterly yours,
>
>BiZ
how childish... generally what I've come to expect from some of the posts on
the list lately anyway, just like the one about "Lush's sneaky advertising by
having a black man on the cover".
How disappointing... time to move over to the Projekt list I suppose.
~~blu~~
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 21:19:37 -0500
In a message dated 96-03-07 14:09:28 EST, you write:
>there is a difference between fair market price and gouge-ing. the
>question becomes do you want to make someone else happy by providing them
>the things they want at a fair price, or do you want to make as much
>money as they are willing to pay.
>
>i suppose that's quite an unamerican point of view, isnt it?
>
>
>dan
>
>
>
sort of like the british point-of-view by charging @$250 US (after the
exchange rate) for "This Rimy River" limited edition????
Considering the regular goes for $35-$60, I think that's quite
over-inflated...
Capitalism is world wide my friend, in case you hadn't noticed. A tad bit
pretencious to believe it isn't.
Perhaps the person selling the "Mai..." for $43 needs to pay for his
"Rimy..."ltded some way.
Funny how the guy sold his Mai for $20 before his post even hit the List...
kinda tells you how much he lost on the steal...er um deal.
Case in point: Lilliput was also a "FREE" promotional item... does that mean
it isn't worth more than $10??? Value is based on availability, and people
are willing to pay. Simple as that.
~~blu~~
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