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Subject: Re: POLL RESULTS.3
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:54:16 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: New Lush is really really disapointing
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:42:01 -0600
From: monochrome (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: ESP list?
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:09:17 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Cool listie stores on Oahu?
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:04:56 -0500
From: "John, Jacci, and Madison" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Re: Here comes success (& Nico, Sheer)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:17:31 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: EBTG & TU
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:17:17 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: LUSHEAGLES
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:44:29 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: TWP Bird Wood Cage and
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:33:46 +0100
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: New Lush is really really disapointing
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:31:55 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP list?
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:25:55 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: LUSHEAGLES
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:57:27 -0500
From: 210100TEA015@NEOMN0.NEOMIN.OHIO.GOV
Subject: Re: New Lush is really really disapointing
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:10:54 GMT
From: Tom Lam (Tom_Lam@sfbayguardian.com)
Subject: Re: labels in the middle of the vinyl
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:02:32 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: scheer
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:09:36 -0500
From: Rastko Kovacevic (rkovacev@ABACUS.BATES.EDU)
Subject: Re: New Lush is really really disapointing
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:04:24 -0500
From: Matt Matuga (mesh@KIVA.NET)
Subject: Bleach lyrics
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:32:52 +0600
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: ESP News/Astrobrite/lovesliescrushing/and more and more and more
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:19:13 -0500
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: brilliance
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:28:15 -0600
From: monochrome (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: 4AD does A.P.
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:21:07 -0600
From: monochrome (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Changes
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:57:45 -0600
From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:54:51 PST
From: Christopher Winfield (winfield@MATH.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP News/Astrobrite/lovesliescrushing/and more and more and
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:05:05 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:15:35 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: harold budd (plus some eno)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:37:11 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:58:17 -0500
From: IVSONGS@AOL.COM
Subject: ESP Continent from IGG in US
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:52:18 -0800
From: phil locke (PLOCKE@US.ORACLE.COM)
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:20:30 -0500
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@DORSAI.DORSAI.ORG)

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:54:16 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: POLL RESULTS.3

              Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:37:20 -0500

>   It's true that the best 4AD-related tour of 95 was
>   Throwing Muses, and the most anticipated 4AD release of
>   1996 is the new His Name Is Alive, but allow me to
>   provide the actual correct answers to the following
>   categories:
>
>   BEST ALBUM ON 4AD EVER
>   23-This Mortal Coil-Blood (23)
>
>   MOST MISSED FORMER 4AD ARTIST
>   23-Pale Saints (original line-up) (23)

        Um ... the voting is over.  If you didn't submit your votes to Creig
already, it's too late.  It's this "actual correct" thinking that besmirched
several good causes under the banner of "political correctness."  Please don't
similarly soil the good name of This Mortal Coil and the Pale Saints by your
revisionist lobbying for "actual correctness" in the arts.  It's all
subjective!
        Of course ... you could raise the question:  "Where would the old Pale
Saints line-up rank in the MOST MISSED category if we combined votes with Ian
Masters?"

-cz   ... grumpy tonight ...


Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:42:01 -0600
From: monochrome (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: New Lush is really really disapointing


I don't think there is nothing wrong with change...
It makes a band more interesting and they are doing what they want to do.
Lush didn't sell out, I think it was just that before, they were being
pushed around by producers whether than doing what they really wanted to do.
I must congratulate Lush for coming forward and doing whatever the hell it
is that they want to do.  Lush is still my favorite band and I don't think
that Single Girl sucked, either.  I mean, come on, anyone could have easily
known what direction they were headed ever since Split.  It doen't come as a
surprise to me, I am happy for them and I can't wait for the "Shaving the
Pavement" tour.
It seems that everyone is changing their "style,"  I picked up Bel Canto's
magic box CD today [for two bucks!!], and I must say that I was shocked by
what I heard!  But I know it will grow on me... I am not as attached to it
as I was with "White Out Conditions," however, but it was worth the two
dollars I paid for it, I guess.  Anyway, I am hoping that Lush will continue
to grow strong and still release their material.  ***LONG LIVE LUSH***
Think about it, if a band sticked with the same thing over and over again,
don't you think it is liable to get boring?  There will be no space for new
ideas and everything will fall apart.

Damn, this list is harsh!!  I wonder what you guys thought when HisNameIsAlive's
Mouth By Mouth came out!   .........?????????

love, the last true Lush fan?
-erikiven.


Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:09:17 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP list?


> Who does?  (... and i even like Lush)  It's not that tough to delete them
> though.

Well, no, relatively speaking, it's not.  But if I'm on a high-traffic list
waiting for that rare bit of good info to come through...  Anyway, I take
about an hour out of each day for the internet, usually between classes
(instead of studying, tee hee hee), and probably 30 minutes of that time
is spent looking over and deleting new email messages.  Seriously....  If
the list didn't have so many messages going back and forth, I wouldn't
have to check it so often to keep up.

> Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way (in my limited experience).  Some ppl

I have been on lists in the past that have had about a 95% on-topic rate,
with no excessive posting.
"Divide it up and it will disappear."  Well, it's hopefully gonna disappear
from my life anywhoo.  Like I've said, I'd rather have nothing than a
bunch of trash.

> True.  In fact, despite what i just said, i think it might even work out well
> *IF* someone was dedicated enough to forward the *useful* information to 4AD-L
> and leave all the good times/cookies/requests-for-Time-Stereo's-address over o

> the other list.

It isn't hard to type in an extra address/forward a "good" message.  If I
ran across some really hot His Name is Alive info on another list that I
thought people on 4AD-L would like, I think I would trouble myself to
forward it.

I've gotten a couple responses of 'yes, let's do it'...  So it may end up
happening one way or another.  One problem - location.  Any ideas?


Mike


Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:04:56 -0500
From: "John, Jacci, and Madison" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Cool listie stores on Oahu?


Hi, I am headed off to Oahu (Honolulu) next week.  I've been before, but
the only record stores I ever end up at are all those Tower Records stores.

I was wondering if anyone knows of any cool "mom and pop" type stores that
sell imports, etc.  I used to go to a store called Jelly's that was cool,
but I don't think it exists anymore.

Thanks.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
john b. jones                          e-mail: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu
              http://web.syr.edu/~jojones

QUOTE OF THE MONTH:
When explaining themselves, most people take you from point A to B.
Tori's method is to stand on point B, waving her arms, saying, "Hey! Can
you guess how I got here?"  -Gavin Edwards, on Tori Amos.
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%


Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:17:31 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Here comes success (& Nico, Sheer)


Andrew Norman  writes:

> I think the big difference is that Lush are playing the success game,
> Coil aren't - I'd be interested to know how much money Coil make from
> their music relative to Lush.  They do quite a lot of film work, don't
> they?

I don't think their film work pays that much money, though.  How big a
budget does Derek Jarman have?  (I think they did two of his films...)

But I do think Coil make *lots* more money per copy of what they
release than Lush makes.  Their record label is "Threshold House",
which is probably their pet cat; they do no advertising; they don't
tour; they are widely distributed.  So it's probably all profits and
no expenditures.

> Lush seem fairly happy with their lot, and as indie bands go they
> are near the top of the pile - there's a trap which a lot of indie bands
> fall into (KoD, or That Petrol Emotion, or The Family Cat) where they
> have their first few months of boosting by the music press, and then
> even though they get better they aren't hip any more.

Yes, I guess Lush have been pretty successful, all things
considered...  I had expected *more*, though.  Lollapalooza and
everything, but nothing seemed to come of it.

They should be bigger than Bayouz II Men!  :-)

--
  "Yes.  The journey through the human heart
     would have to wait until some other time."


Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:17:17 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: EBTG & TU


I've lately changed my listening habits completely.  I used to buy
and album and then listen to it once, play something else, and then
listen to it again.  I now seem to buy an album, listen to it, listen
to it again, and then listen to it yet again.  Must have something to
do with being starved for new music or something.


Everything But The Girl - The Best Of

I've always been slightly intrigued by EBTG.  I hear these
sickly-sweet tunes on the radio or on the TV, and I go "hmmmm", and
then it always turns out to be EBTG.  So when I found this used album
today, I bought it.  I mean, Tracy Thorn was *fab* on Protection by
Massive Attack and all.

The first two listens I found the album annoying, in a way.  It's so
*smooth*.   It's  *adult*.  .  But nice.  Thorn & Watts
both have lurvely voices, and their tunes are OK.  I think I may grow
to like this album.  And then I think I have to buy the Collected
Kenny G and all of Mariah Carey's back catalogue.  Shoot me before I
shop again!


Transglobal Underground - International Times

What's the 4AD relevance here?  Uhm...  Ahmn...  Now I know:  Natacha
Atlas sounds a bit like the latest Bel Canto album, and, uhm, Bel
Canto used to be signed to Crammed.  Colin Newman was also signed to
Crammed.  So *there*.

As always with TU, they have this nice racket going, they have Atlas
who is groovy and great, and they have a serious deficiency in the
Tunes department.  People:  How about sitting down and writing a
melody before you go into the studio and sample all those interesting
sounds?  Huh?  Huh?

It's pleasant enough, though.  Doesn't set the world on fire.


And I must say I've really come to like that "Ruby" single by Annie
Williams.  It still sounds like AC Marias, but who cares?  "Beautiful
men / Makes me happy".

--
  "Yes.  The journey through the human heart
     would have to wait until some other time."

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:44:29 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: LUSHEAGLES


Hello.

Is it me or does "Last Night", the best song on LOVELIFE, sound a little too
similar to "Hotel California"?

Just a burp,

Roy

P.S. Usually when other people post things like this, it annoys me. Am I
uptight?


Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:33:46 +0100
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: TWP Bird Wood Cage and


For whoever asked about the Legendary WP and Standing Up Straight, they are
far better than Bird Wood Cage which is itself far better than Queer and
Funky. And yes they are more of the "Cut the Tree" sound. Much different and
the word "Amazing" which I used before correctly describes my feeling about
these albums. What a shame they suck now :(

-nb-

********
i fancied you'd return the way you said,
but i grow old and forget your name.
(i think i made you up inside my head.)
(S. Plath)

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:31:55 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: New Lush is really really disapointing


On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, monochrome wrote:
>
> Damn, this list is harsh!!  I wonder what you guys thought when HisNameIsAlive
s
> Mouth By Mouth came out!   .........?????????
>
> love, the last true Lush fan?
> -erikiven.
>
Mouth by Mouth is fuckin brilliant, of course!  :)

-dk

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:25:55 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP list?


> Well, the more subjects this list covers, the less specialized it
> becomes.  I'd rather subscribe to a list that gives me ~5 messages a week
> of useful information than one that gives me 50 a day regarding anything
> and everything...  At any rate, crossposting is still possible.
>
> Sorry if I sound bitchy; I'm not really.
> Keep 'em coming...
>
> Mike
>
not bitchy at all. i personally really like coming to work each morining
and finding twenty messages in my mailbox. if somebody creates an HNIA
list, i'll get even more.  go to it!!

dan


Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:57:27 -0500
From: 210100TEA015@NEOMN0.NEOMIN.OHIO.GOV
Subject: Re: LUSHEAGLES

              <960305154427_438778367@emout07.mail.aol.com>

yes,it does annoy many but I was board because I haven't gottrn mail in a long
time*hint,hint*and I kinda fell into your file. PLEASE weite back. Put subject
under-LEEANN-THANX
          YOUR E-MAILING FRIEND-LEEANN
          P.S.-I AGREE

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:10:54 GMT
From: Tom Lam (Tom_Lam@sfbayguardian.com)
Subject: Re: New Lush is really really disapointing


agreed!....lovelife, to put it best...sucks big eggs...well, single girl and
ladykillers are ok and childcatcher in my opinion, even survives, but the
rest can go to the recycling bin...prediction:  dont pay full price like me
($18), in a week or so, there will be plenty at the used record stores...i am
saddened by lovelife...the only thing that kept me from tears while listening
to it was that there was a really pretty full moon tonite...oh well, guess
it's time to go to bed and give lovelife another chance...

tom lam, i am


Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:02:32 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: labels in the middle of the vinyl


>>also, picked up the 12" of Modern English - in the gladhouse, today, the
>>B-side has two nude women wrestling over the 4AD logo, weird, was this on
>>all the 12"s?
>
>My recollection is that it is on some others, but in a very distorted form.
>For years, I couldn't work out what the labels in the middle of the vinyl
>were portraying but then some of them became clear when I saw an
>undistorted version.


Come on!!! I didn't answer this question because I thought almost everybody
on the 4AD-L would know the answer.

In 1982 all 4AD 12"s sported this 'Two nude women' picture (I don't think
they are wrestling!). All LP's had the same pic, but 'distorted' (i.e.
inversed) And the 7" featured those 2 guys. The full picture can be found on
the frontcover of the 'Natures Mortes' LP (why didn't they use the full
picture of the women?).

In 1981 4AD had done a similar thing with -what looks to me like- bad xerox
copies of wrinkled paper. The 7"s labels are different to the 12"/LP labels.

And in 1983 they had 5 or 6 different pics. which they used at random on
7"s, 12"s and LPs.

Frank
(4AD Trainspotters Inc. / Early Eighties Labels Dept.)
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:09:36 -0500
From: Rastko Kovacevic (rkovacev@ABACUS.BATES.EDU)
Subject: scheer


i just got a hold of a copy of the shea ep (this was my first encounter
with the band). i thought they were quite interesting, although not
something i would really fall in love with. however, there was one really
great song there--the acoustic version of demon. check it out if you
can--much more mellow than anything else on the ep and great vocals.

love to all,
rastko

--
They left me here on my own in a nightmare And I just can't forgive
anymore So I smile and turn away Don't listen when they say They wish that
I could stay And now it's just too late To wish me back again
                                                --Lush, Light from a dead star

Rastko | rkovacev@bates.edu | http://www.bates.edu/~rkovacev | 207.777.7913


Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:04:24 -0500
From: Matt Matuga (mesh@KIVA.NET)
Subject: Re: New Lush is really really disapointing


well, i wouldn't be so harsh about the new album....sure its
disappointing if you're looking for another split or gala...but it stands
by itself as an entirely new sound for them...i personally like it a
lot....you have to listen with an open mind.. the songs are
pretty strong still....give them a break....
---matt

On 6 Mar 1996, Tom Lam wrote:

> *** Mail to starlust sent in by Tom_Lam@sfbayguardian.com (Tom Lam) ***
>
> agreed!....lovelife, to put it best...sucks big eggs...well, single girl and
> ladykillers are ok and childcatcher in my opinion, even survives, but the
> rest can go to the recycling bin...prediction:  dont pay full price like me
> ($18), in a week or so, there will be plenty at the used record stores...i am
> saddened by lovelife...the only thing that kept me from tears while listening
> to it was that there was a really pretty full moon tonite...oh well, guess
> it's time to go to bed and give lovelife another chance...
>
> tom lam, i am
>

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:32:52 +0600
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: Bleach lyrics


Does anyone have thelyrics to Bleach's album _Killing Time_, or maybe just
for the song "Fall"?  I pulled this disc out and rediscovered how good it
is.  However, I can't seem to understand what Salli is singing.

Anyone?  Jens (who I know shares my like for this band)?

Thanks,

Chad

"Move inside my daydream"


Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:19:13 -0500
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: ESP News/Astrobrite/lovesliescrushing/and more and more and more


Attention, ESP-maniacs and thislisty trainspotters!

(let's do this 'bullet-fashion' - just for the style of it!)

*    New comp CD, "Noise Reduction", on Alleysweeper. Buy it for the Fuxa
track...
      stay for the Little Princess ("Ft. Lake") and Princess Dragon-Mom
("More Majic
      Pumpkin"). Great packaging - audio tape, wallpaper, chipboard - the
works!

*    Expect the new HNIA album to be very COUNTRY! Yes, you heard it here
first...

*    What started as a one-off is now 4AD's core band! HNIA was just signed
for another
      five or six albums by Ivo & Co.

an ASTROBRITE new hope for dreampop
(Astrobrite = Jason Baron + Scott and Andrew from loveslies... +
O'dell(Majesty Crush)

*    Despite what was posted a few weeks ago, Astrobrite's first CD-ep will
NOT be self-
     released. The band is currently looking for a label which can provide
decent distribution
     and some of the other niceties (tour support, promotion, etc).
*    Astrobrite did record six songs with Warren DeFever - but these will not
be the tracks
     which end up on the debut ep. Warren's production influence is
surprisingly absent
     from those tracks - which, in light of Grenadine and Tarnation, is
probably a good thing.
*    Astrobrite will blow minds when this new material sees the light of day.
They will make
     you believe in the beauty and power of great music all over again. . .
*    Look for the band on tour with Windy & Carl and a Fuxa side-project
opening. :-D
*    Astrobrite info: contact -     baronden@pilot.msu.edu


selected lovesliescrushings...

*    "Xuyvetn" is as brilliant as anyone could have hoped. Scott tells me
that this is
      STILL old material (which, I suppose, excuses titling a song
"full-blooded and
      breast"...) A surprising amount of the album is similar to MAIN (a very
good thing) -
      and this was a few years before even Main was MAIN! The album should be
coming
      out on Projekt soon (the art, lost in a computer snafu, was just
completed
      yesterday)... but it's the end of lovesliescrushing! All further work
will be under the
      name of GLITHERINE (to distance the band from the goth-i-ness of
Projekt) and will
      probably not be on Projekt.

*     There will probably be a limited double-vinyl version of "Xuyvetn"...
 with lots of stuff
      not included on the cd.

*     It's pronounced "Zuy-ve-teen", in case you cared...

other tidbits:

There's a FUXA full-length coming out on Che! (distributed in the US by
Darla) - Nick says that the cd is done, but he wanted to make the artwork
even prettier... something about silver ink... so there will be a brief
delay.

WINDY & CARL's glorious "Emerald" 7" was just repressed (ltd. to 300) by
Enraptured uk - if you don't know that you need this, well.... you need this.

THIRD EYE FOUNDATION (Matt(?) from FSA/Movietone) have pressed 300 of the
"Semtex" LP on CD...  another thing you need. Jungle rhythms+white-noise
dreamscape.

LILYS have signed with Che ... new album is completed, and the advance word
includes lots of mention of "Kinks" and "Monkees"... :( Uh-oh.

Pram fans alert! Bovine Over Sussex W - an ultra-obscure uk outfit - have
created with their "Car Park Attendant Playset" 10" a work that blows the
somewhat-disappointing "Sargasso Sea" out of the ...er... sea! Horns, unCANny
beat-box rhythms, squiggly guitar figures, good old fashioned noise and
sample-craft. Keep your eyes glued on BOSW's every move!

I'm out of time, out of space, and (probably) out of my mind.
Go in peace...

GuerillaG


Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:28:15 -0600
From: monochrome (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: brilliance


>Mouth by Mouth is fuckin brilliant, of course!  :)

Well, yeah, I thought it was fuckin' great and all but it was definitely no
Livonia or Home is in Your Head.  Most people here praise HNIA, even though
their style changed rapidly from Livonia HiiYH to MbM.  Same thing with Lush...
I think they are still fuckin brilliant regardless of what it sounds like, I
feel the same way about HNIA.  And if you don't like that, then just shut up
and stop buying lush releases.  If you thought the singles sucked, then why
on earth would anyone go and get the album the exact same day it came out.
I did, but then again, I thought the singles were great and now... I think
LOVELIFE is even greater!    SFW!!??!

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:21:07 -0600
From: monochrome (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: 4AD does A.P.


Hi all...
I got the new Alternative Press magazine today, the one with the Ivo interview.
Anyway, I didn't think it would have it until today.  I only bought it
because Marilyn Manson was on the cover and the Amps had an article in
there.  Anyway, Ivo makes some pretty good points which I totally agree on
and have similar thoughts of that you may have noticed because of my
postiongs in here.  For example, Ivo was talking about 4ad's new lineup and
made a statement that really touched me and made me want to post it in this
group of close-minded individuals.  Ivo said "...If people aren't able to
get what they want from us any longer, then I hope that they're able to find
it somewhere else"  -I think that is so true and hope many people here will
take it into consideration.
Also, Ivo expleains the Red House Painters scandal here...
"...Kozelek told Hurley that he was displeased with Ivo's decision, and
wanted to sell the album to another company.  ...Ivo suggested the band
should pursue another outlet for release."  Supposedly, Mark says that he is
currently considering offers from two major labels.

...Anyway, I am not going to write a complete review of it now, go out and
get the magazine....
I just wanted to share with this list my discoveries, and I thought it was
weird how Ivo and I are similar....
In other words, if you don't like what I do... FUCK OFF!!!
-respectively, that is.

love,
-erikiven.

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:57:45 -0600
From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Changes


Hello
=20
  I've been reading for the past few weeks, how many here dont like where
some 4ad bands  have gone, musically.  Lush, CT ( yah, they aint 4ad anymore
but still), The Wolfgang Press, are primarily the ones talked about.
 =20
  What i have to say on my behalf is that i love when a band changes their
sound.  Sure it may be a full 180, but my gosh, how many albums does one
need of the same material?  Change for the sake of change isnt good, of
course not.  But  usually you can see during each album a slight evolvement
of the music. =20
  Take Lush....Gala, yeah not an album but still :)....that first
compilation was/is brilliant.  Lots of "swirly, ethereal" sounds.  I Loved
it so much.  But just how "swirly" can an ABBA song get?  THen came spooky,
more "dreampop", actually sometimes more than i can handle in some sittings.
Still a great album, but here you can see a beginning of going somewhere
else than just "swirly"ishness.  ....Nothing Natural comes to mind.  As does superblast.  For Love is
such a pop song, it made me sick. :)
  Then came SPlit, i think this album is brilliant.  But here are so many
songs that lose what they were doing on the other albums.  Hyprocite,
Blackout, Starlust, Kiss Chase...these all exude so much of what, i think,
Lovelife is shaping up to be.  Whats so bad about Lush losing the dreampop?
Is Lush a one gimmick band?  I dont think so.  Micki has a good voice, and
now she is taking that voice to other areas, where i think she will do
wonderfully.
   BTW: LUSH is a great live band...seen them 3 times already and never have
i been dissappointed.  Their shows are more punk style than the dreampop
most people want them to be.

  TWP also.  THese guys rock, then and esp NOW!!!
  As one person said here or on a newsgroup, this is one white band that
understands funk!  I really couldnt agree more.  So the sound isnt gloom and
doom as much of their past albums, but Queer was , to me, a tremendous step
forward!!!  Instead of staying in their slow monotone mode, which i did like
BTW, they did something wonderful.  I love Both Queer and FLD....i really
cant imagine them going back to where they were before.

  Well, i hope i didnt offend someone here, just thinking out loud, because
these bands are changing, and only for the better.

  Milk and Kisses  :D
 Ernesto=20

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"You are the sweetness in my eyes            You are an apple in disguise
 You are the sweetness i need for life       You are the sweetness in my=
 eyes"
                                      =20


Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:54:51 PST
From: Christopher Winfield (winfield@MATH.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE


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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:05:05 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP News/Astrobrite/lovesliescrushing/and more and more and

              more

>Pram fans alert! Bovine Over Sussex W - an ultra-obscure uk outfit - have
>created with their "Car Park Attendant Playset" 10" a work that blows the
>somewhat-disappointing "Sargasso Sea" out of the ...er... sea! Horns, unCANny
>beat-box rhythms, squiggly guitar figures, good old fashioned noise and
>sample-craft. Keep your eyes glued on BOSW's every move!

i thought sargasso sea was the best i've heard by the pramsters, save maybe
the meshes ep, but imo, helium was pretty awful.

BiZ

thanks for all the useful info!


Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:15:35 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE


>D


Cool! Lets make a word:


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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:37:11 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: harold budd (plus some eno)


e opines:
>While I am at it, I have to plug Brian Eno's album The Shutov Assembly,
>of which I just got a cassette for $3 :) and with which I am now madly in
>love. It is however a little difficult. I was going to say The Pearl is

I concur. "The Shutov Assembly" is very, very minimal and is apparently
recordings of musical processes (long loops going out of phase) that Eno
set up. Or am I thinking of "Neroli"? In any case, "Shutov" is a terrific
debugging aid -- set the CD player on repeat mode, put on some big plush
headphones and you'll be able to spend the next six hours in MacsBug (or
whatever debugger you use) without any bothersome thoughts of the outside
world.

BTW, what do the track titles on "Shutov" mean? They're all 8 letters
long...

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Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
             Dinosaurs early, dinosaurs later,
             Dinosaurs jammed in an elevator!    _______________________
                                                 www.inow.com/~jens/Jens


Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:58:17 -0500
From: IVSONGS@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE


>>>D


Cool! Lets make a word:


U<<

Uhhh...


D

That spells dud!


Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:52:18 -0800
From: phil locke (PLOCKE@US.ORACLE.COM)
Subject: ESP Continent from IGG in US


Intergalactic Garage, a mailorder place i've used frequently,
is going to be selling the ESP Continent CD.  they are
currently taking pre-orders at a $22.50 price.  if you're
interested, the sooner you get the order in, the more likely
they'll be able to get enough stock to fill all orders.

they also do a good job of stocking 4AD import stuff, including
some hard-to-find Japanese releases.  the staff is helpful and
courteous...i'd recommend checking them out.

here's their info:

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:20:30 -0500
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@DORSAI.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE


On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Emiel Efdee wrote:

> >D
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> Cool! Lets make a word:
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yeah!  better yet, let's write a whole sentence to all morons who don't read
        the FAQ and don't know how to unsub.  it makes me wonder, these people
        who don't know the right way to unsub, are they the same geniuses who
        go to a club for the hype, get bored, then keep asking everyone where
        the exit is?
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