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Subject: Exotic Sounds From Many Worlds
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:36:46 -0500
From: A guy named Chris (mm211595@OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mazzy Star
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:53:45 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: labels in the middle of the vinyl
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:28:50 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: my mai pen rai is sold!
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:00:29 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Cindytalk SJ?
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:40:56 -0800
From: Jessie Jaeger (jjaeger@OCF.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: RHP Again? (was: Mazzy Star)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:19:20 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Funky J.-info, Shinro Ohtake / ESP list?
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:02:40 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Here comes success (& Nico, Sheer)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:09:19 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Lush Tour and Unsubscribing
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:31:46 +0000
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: another auction update
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:05:52 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP list?
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:13:26 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Exotic Sounds From Many Worlds
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:09:01 -0500
From: 210100TEA015@NEOMN0.NEOMIN.OHIO.GOV
Subject: Re: harold budd
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:52:57 -0500
From: "Scorpio M." (99barwik@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: items for sale
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:14:19 +0200
From: section25 (SECTION25@IDS.NET)
Subject: Detroit Electric live
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:06:57 -0500
From: ishmael (elephant@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG)
Subject: Re: time STEREO catalog
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:40:14 -0500
From: MiloV@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: ESP list?
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:39:41 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Hallo from the Projekt list...
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:10:08 -0500
From: anaconda (anaconda@wwa.com)
Subject: POLL RESULTS.3
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:23:56 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: labels in the middle of the vinyl
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:42:34 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: ESP list?
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:22:06 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: POLL RESULTS.3
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:37:20 -0500
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: New Lush is really really disapointing
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:26:29 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:36:46 -0500
From: A guy named Chris (mm211595@OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU)
Subject: Exotic Sounds From Many Worlds


        Hey, anyone heard of this release?  I discovered it while sifting
through a pile o' CD's at the Station.  It has a Dead Can Dance track,
which makes this post appropriate to tha list.  It's "The Host of
Seraphim."  It also has tracks from The Residents, Ryuchi Sakamoto, Ravi
Shankar, Popol Vuh, and others.  It's on Milan Entertainment.  Only
listened to the DCD and the Residnts, and those were pretty cool.
Anyway, just wonderin'.

                                       Much Love,
                                                Chris.

        "If there's been a way to build it,
        There'll be a way to destroy it,
        Things are not all that out of control" -Stereolab "Crest"


Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:53:45 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mazzy Star


On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, mbdtssv wrote:

> Are there any Mazzy Star fans out there? If so, can anyone tell me when/if
> they are releasing any new material?

they've put hope sandoval on a strict diet of haagen daas and french
fries, and they now call themselves Mojave 3...

Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:28:50 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: labels in the middle of the vinyl

              <960303192733_159126785@emout08.mail.aol.com>

James wrote:

>also, picked up the 12" of Modern English - in the gladhouse, today, the
>B-side has two nude women wrestling over the 4AD logo, weird, was this on
>all the 12"s?

My recollection is that it is on some others, but in a very distorted form.
For years, I couldn't work out what the labels in the middle of the vinyl
were portraying but then some of them became clear when I saw an
undistorted version.

Simon Hughes


Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:00:29 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: my mai pen rai is sold!


sorry to all, but i got an offer about three seconds after posting that i
had it for sale!  the reason i offered it in the first place was so that
somebody who wanted it way more than i could enjoy it.  being an insatiable
collector myself, i know how it feels.  i also know about exploitation,
and NOBODY should be selling a free cd for 43 dollars.  I kinda feel bad
about asking 20, but with postage, the profits will allow me to buy
something else (like a promo copy of the new cocteau twins cd)...

in a perfect world, 4ad wouldnt make so few copies of such cool shit.

dan


Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:40:56 -0800
From: Jessie Jaeger (jjaeger@OCF.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Cindytalk SJ?


Okay, so what happened? I drove 50 miles to see a no show! Is this it
for the Bay Area?? Or is it on to Los
Angeles next?


Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:19:20 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: RHP Again? (was: Mazzy Star)

              Mar 1996 14:48:42 +0000

>   On a 4AD note: I heard that Ivo kicked the Red House
>   Painters off the label because he didn't like Mark
>   Kozolek's guitar solos. What a bloody fool!

Please NOT this again!  We've hashed over this too many times and had too many
flames on this topic already.  Yes, Ivo is probably a fool for doing that but
most of us haven't heard the demos.

-cz

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:02:40 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Funky J.-info, Shinro Ohtake / ESP list?


Hei beibii-tachi.  From my currently Japan-ed friend:

   "Today I went to an elementary school.  Was through Obirin. Had fun, was
 asked alot of questions about america, ate lunch, got a "thank you" poster.
   I came home and found a package I've been waiting for: from the
 director of that show I appeared in; he told me his younger brother
 performs noise; I didn't really believe him.  But didn't turn down his
 offer to send a CD or two.  It came today.  CD, two LPs, 3 books.  The
 guy is also an artist; one book is a children's book, one I can't figure
 out (It's all in sanscrit), one is a book called "diary in [mongolia?]".
 The CD is unbelievable.  The spine looks like this
***     (oh, first, the bro's name is Ohtake Shinro)     ***

 PIPELINE 24 smash hits by 24 puzzle punk bands shinro ohtake  uea
                                                yamantake eye

 The guy's brother got together with Y.Eye and 'covered' songs by 24 minor
 bands (including ganja farmers).  "Covered" because I *doubt* the
 originals sounded like this. [?]  ......"

So I'm gonna send my friend a postcard tomorrow begging for air and some
more info.  Did we already cover this here?  Shinro Ohtake, noise man?
Crazy coincidence, I guess.  Actually, my friend and I seem to run into
a lot of those...


Number two:
Has anyone considered creating an ESP- or Time Stereo- or Warren Defever-
or all three mailing & discussion list?  I think it would be a good idea...
What do *you* think?

Mike


Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:09:19 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Here comes success (& Nico, Sheer)


Dewdrops Records  wrote:
 >
 > This is the latest US release schedule from 4AD.
 > Oct 15  Pixies retrospective of singles, live tracks, b-sides etc.

Yay!

 > I just had a full listen to scheer's "schism" EP (found it for
 > $3 and figured it's worth it just to hear how BAD bad can be)
 > and I must say, imho, that this is by far the worst thing I have
 > ever heard from 4AD. It's like some monumental practical joke
 > they're all pulling on us-- "let's see if our fans are dumb
 > enough to force themselves to like THIS one!" Either that, or
 > scheer was brought in to slowly destroy any remaining
 > credibility 4AD has, but a number of people actually ended up
 > liking them (a la how Perrin tried to take down Grot by hiring
 > idiots, but ever greater success ensued.  And if you know what
 > on earth I'm referring to here, let me shake your hand!)

I didn't get where I am today by liking bad heavy metal, Reggie.  As
someone else says, "Shea" is much better than "Schism", the HM guitar
has been subdued slightly.  Even "Schism", I thought, had a couple of
cracking songs on it, though the performance damaged them.  Friday's
"Independent" had a piece about Vaughan Oliver, in which he said he's
still a fan of everything the label puts out.

"Gaveston, Gaveston, I'm hooked on you"  wrote:
 >
 > perhaps someone here knows about a CD release of 'The Marble
 > Index'? They do't have any information about it in Poland, even
 > in the shops where they keep 'garlands' on vitrine display.

It's out on CD, Elektra I think, with a couple of extra songs (still
only half an hour or so long).  The notes to John Cale's "Seducing Down
the Door" compilation say that the unusual sound was achieved by
recording the songs, and then removing most of the instrumentation, so
the melodies are implied rather than audible (I think that's a fair
summary, from memory).  I keep meaning to buy "Desertshore", the other
album Cale recorded with Nico.  If you ever see the Peel session which
was released a few years ago, buy it - just Nico and her harmonium,
utterly gorgeous.

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  wrote:
 >
 > I was mulling over the apparent non-success of Lush, thinking
 > that I wouldn't be all that surprised if they decided to call it
 > quits.  I mean, here they create quite good album after quite
 > good album, and the world seems to largely ignore them.  Must be
 > annoying.

They are now a chart act here in the UK, and for the first time since
shoegazing they are fashionable - the music press has decided their new
stuff is "Britpop" (it sounds pretty similar to "Split" to me, but
there you go).  And 4AD have apparently decided to go for a large
publicity campaign this time.

 [Stuff about KoD & Coil snipped]
 > It's a bit odd, though.  Coil (and bands like them) just keep on
 > releasing album after album to general apathy, and that feels
 > right.  Lush release an album that sells (probably) hundreds of
 > thousands of copies, and that feels like they've struck out.

I think the big difference is that Lush are playing the success game,
Coil aren't - I'd be interested to know how much money Coil make from
their music relative to Lush.  They do quite a lot of film work, don't
they?  Lush seem fairly happy with their lot, and as indie bands go they
are near the top of the pile - there's a trap which a lot of indie bands
fall into (KoD, or That Petrol Emotion, or The Family Cat) where they
have their first few months of boosting by the music press, and then
even though they get better they aren't hip any more.  The Family Cat
made an absolutely stunning final album ("Magic Happens"), but by that
time most people just weren't interested any more because they didn't
fit into a scene.


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 05/03/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Th' Faith Healers


Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:31:46 +0000
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Lush Tour and Unsubscribing


I'm taking some time off work to go to as many of the
dates as I can.

The downside of this means that I'll have to temporarily unsubscribe
from the list at the end of today to prevent my PC here at work
becoming clogged up with list messages!

Of course the upside is that I'll be resubscribing on
Monday 11th, when I'll post my review of the first four dates,
(Buckley, Liverpool, Leeds and Sheffield).  I'll try to make it an
entertaining read!

I'll be hitch-hiking, so wish me luck!






Chris

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:05:52 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: another auction update


unfortunately for most, it is already in the mail to some chap in
columbus ohio...

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:13:26 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP list?


keeping discussion of ESP/HNIA/WD within the confines of a strictly
4AD-related list might be confining or inappropriate, but seeing that
this list happily accepts discussion of all 4AD related music and
art---including distant relations---i think its just fine to keep the
discussion here.

as my own tastes tend more toward the HNIA/DCD/TMC/CT's than toward the
lush/pixies/redhousepainters/ end of 4AD, the frequent ESP and Warren
related posting keeps me active in this group.  take them away, and
perhaps we'll lose more members than myself...


one final note:  why doesnt HNIA have a wwweb page?


dan


Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:09:01 -0500
From: 210100TEA015@NEOMN0.NEOMIN.OHIO.GOV
Subject: Re: Exotic Sounds From Many Worlds

              

Hey,I come to you from N.Bloomfield High-School and I thought I would write
you. Sorry,I've never herd that CD but I'll have to look it up. Let me tell you
a little bit about meself:I'm 16 and a sophmore at this little school. My class
has a total of 32 students. I'm 5ft.6 and I have long dark brown hair. Just in
case you haven't guessed by now I'm a female. When/if you write me back please
leave the subject as Chris so I know what to look for.THANKS! I'll be back
tomorrow to check for messages. I gotta go for now!


Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:52:57 -0500
From: "Scorpio M." (99barwik@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: harold budd


On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, monica wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone on here likes harold budd....I have a few of his
> things, like Moon and the Melodies and Glyph (with Hector Zazou).  But I am
> interested in possibly picking up some of his other stuff.  I am looking
> for any info or comments that you may have, before I rush off and buy
> something....thanks!
>
> monica
>
        If you like Harold Budd then you might want to pick up some Gavin
   Bryars cds.  The newest cd, which is all devoted to the sinking of the
Titanic is so eerie as he takes the depths of the water into
consideration as the band plays on....it made me get a tad teary.  It's
absolutely exquisite, honest.


                                joy


Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:14:19 +0200
From: section25 (SECTION25@IDS.NET)
Subject: items for sale


I have a few items for sale...
I am selling them to the highest bidder, because I am desperately trying
to raise money to pay off my debts to the Department Of Motor Vehicles
before they suspend my drivers liscence. =(

please respond to me privately, NOT to this list!
thank you!
s25


wolfgang Press - Christianity 4 track EP - promo only
penelope houston - cut you (promo)
a produce - white sands
death in june - something is coming 2xcd
fire and ice - midwinter fires cd
fire and ice - hollow ways cd
pelican daughters - fishbones and wishbones
lisa germano - cry wolf EP (promo only/non album tracks)
tangerine dream - tangents boxed set
kendra smith - five ways of disappearing
               (lim. ed. promo with art cards)
nusrat fateh ali khan/michael brook - night song cd
various artists - guernica sampler
                  (promo only, 9 tracks, [small price tag mark])
nurse with wound - sylvie and babs cd
nurse with wound - soliloquy for lilith 2xcd
nurse with wound - a sucked orange
nurse with wound - chance meeting... cd
various artists - ohren des kaiser hirohito 2xcd
           (LPDs, HNAS, NWW, Illusion of Safety, much more...)
various artists - ohrenschrauben/ohrensausen 2xcd
           (NWW, Current 93, HNAS, Whitehouse, much more...)
various artists - excursions in ambience 1
           (aphex twin, fsol, seefeel, more...)
various artists - excursions in ambience 3
           (fsol, pwog, banco de gaia, more...)
current 93 - in menstrual night LP (nm/nm)


Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:06:57 -0500
From: ishmael (elephant@M-NET.ARBORNET.ORG)
Subject: Detroit Electric live


Did anyone catch the Detroit Electric CD release party/show
at Alvins on Feb. 29?

Any reviews?


Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:40:14 -0500
From: MiloV@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: time STEREO catalog


>from http://weber.u.washington.edu/~isomorph/time_stereo.html
>
>Time Stereo Catalog
>(Warren DeFever related tapes)
>
>Time Stereo
>28143 W. Eight Mile Rd.
>Livonia, MI
>48152
>
>       ESP-Summer (w/Ian Masters)
>       ESP-Beetles "With The" (Warren: Vocal, Gutiar)
>       ESP-Beetles "Live ESP" (Warren: Vocal, Guitar)
>       ESP-Family (communist folk songs; Warren: Vocal, Guitar)
>       New Grape (Noise & Pop; Warren: Remix)
>       His Name Is Alive "Live in Mexico"
>
>All tapes are side A only (45 min)
>except ESP-Beetles "With The" is both sides (60 min)
>Tapes are $4.50 ppd. in U.S.
>
>Princess Dragon-Mom material is available elsewhere:
>
>       "The Real Folk Blues" CS on G.R.O.S.S.
>       "Honey Moon" CS (comes in a waterbottle) on Square D.
>       "Library Girl" EP on Alley-Sweeper
>       "Theme For Food" compilation track on Isomorphic
>
>September 11 1995

I hope no one else posted this yet, If so, sorry.

Also, forgot the Princess Dragon-Mom track:

"Channel Balance" on the Indiscreet Stereo Test CD compilation

You can most likely live without it unless you're testing your SABP Hi-Fi
set,
or you're a HNIA compleatist (and who isn't?)

Later,



James 

... it is better to build upon the shifting sands
than the rock which will confound you on the day it shatters.


Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:39:41 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP list?


> art---including distant relations---i think its just fine to keep the
> discussion here.

The problem is - I don't like sifting through 40 Lush posts each day.
I'm planning to unsubscribe soon, but I figured if we could arrange
a separate list for that specific area(s), I'd still be able to get the
info I need.  I'm sure there are other folks out there who'd be
interested, possibly folks who aren't on this list (I know there are a
few...).  Besides, I don't really consider Time Stereo noise stuff
and Warren-related projects such as that Trance thing to be any more on
subject here than, say, Portishead and Projekt rekords.

> as my own tastes tend more toward the HNIA/DCD/TMC/CT's than toward the
> lush/pixies/redhousepainters/ end of 4AD, the frequent ESP and Warren
> related posting keeps me active in this group.  take them away, and
> perhaps we'll lose more members than myself...

Well, the more subjects this list covers, the less specialized it
becomes.  I'd rather subscribe to a list that gives me ~5 messages a week
of useful information than one that gives me 50 a day regarding anything
and everything...  At any rate, crossposting is still possible.

Sorry if I sound bitchy; I'm not really.
Keep 'em coming...

Mike

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:10:08 -0500
From: anaconda (anaconda@wwa.com)
Subject: Hallo from the Projekt list... (fwd)


FYI

bob

-------- Forwarded message --------
Subject: Hallo from the Projekt list...



Welcome to the Projekt list...

I haven't written up any little official message to send out to people
newly subscribed, but I think you know if you shouldn't be here...

If this is the case, email:

nightshy@benland.muc.edu with the message:
  unsubscribe mesmerized

to subscribe someone email nightshy@benland.muc.edu with the message:
  subscribe mesmerized

to send a message to the list, email:

mesmerized@benland.muc.edu


I can't think of anything to start off with so I'll let you lovely people
come up with that...

This list is very small atm, so please let anyone who might be interested
know about it...it also isn't yet automated, though I hope it will be
fairly soon...thanks for your patience...

thank ye,

elyria

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:23:56 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: POLL RESULTS.3


Right.  Here's installment 3.
The first number is the total number of votes received; the second number is
the total number of people who voted for that particular, uh, thing.

BEST 4AD-RELATED TOUR OF 1995
1. 101-Throwing Muses (11)
2. 85-Lisa Gerrard (10)
3. 40-The Wolfgang Press (4)
4. 19-Red House Painters (3)
5. 13-Belly (3)
6. 10-Air Miami (1)
    10-Liquorice (1)
    10-Kendra Smith (1)
    10-Solid State (Kelly Deal) (1)
10.1-The Amps (1)


MOST ANTICIPATED 1996 4AD RELEASE
1. 130-His Name is Alive-Stars on ESP (22)
2. 77-Lush-Lovelife (13)
3. 61-Dead Can Dance-TBA (14)
4. 42-Brendan Perry-TBA (maybe...) (7)
5. 32-Throwing Muses-Limbo (6)
6. 20-Lisa Germano-Excerpts from the Love Circus (4)
7. 16-Heidi Berry-TBA (3)
8. 14-Mojave 3-Ask Me Tomorrow (US) (3)
9. 6-This Rimy River Ltd. Ed. (2)
10. 5-Scheer-Infliction (2)
11. 2-Kristin Hersh-TBA (1)


BEST ALBUM ON 4AD EVER
1. 46-Cocteau Twins-Treasure (10)
2. 42-This Mortal Coil-Filigree and Shadow (10)
3. 25-Throwing Muses-Eponymous (6)
4. 22-This Mortal Coil-Blood (6)
5. 21-Pixies-Surfer Rosa (4)
6. 15-Various Artists-Lonely is an Eyesore (3)
7. 14-Dif Juz-Extractions (2)
8. 12-His Name is Alive-Livonia (4)
    12-Pale Saints-In Ribbons (3)
10. 11-Cocteau Twins-Heaven or Las Vegas (2)
11. 10-Red House Painters-Down Colorful Hill (4)
      10-Cocteau Twins-Head Over Heels (2)
      10-Red House Painters-Ocean Beach (1)


MOST MISSED FORMER 4AD ARTIST
1. 87-Cocteau Twins (12)
2. 48-Red House Painters (6)
3. 39-This Mortal Coil (7)
4. 35-Ian Masters (4)
5. 33-Pixies (7)
6. 30-Dif Juz (5)
7. 29-Swallow (5)
8. 13-Throwing Muses (original lineup) (2)
9. 11-The Birthday Party (3)
    11-(Clan of) Xymox (3)
11. 9-The Wolfgang Press (2)
12. 8-Ultra Vivid Scene (2)
13. 6-Bauhaus (2)
      6-Pale Saints (3)

There are still a few topics remaining-worst 4AD graphic design, most boring
4AD-L post, and the non-4AD topics (which I've had a LOT of trouble
with)...I'll try to get them finished up and out tomorrow.  Thanks everyone
for your patience.
CJ
If you missed parts 1 or 2, e-mail me at CreigJ@aol.com


Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:42:34 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: labels in the middle of the vinyl


At the end of 1981, 4AD released the Japanese vinyl compilation "Natures
Mortes", which featured two men wrestling on the cover.
All of the vinyl releases that I have from 1982 feature the wrestling
ladies...The Birthday Party's "Drunk on the Pope's Blood", In Camera's "Fin",
Cocteau Twins' "Lullabies" plus the aforementioned Modern English 12"...
 From what I've collected so far, the center labels changed each year from
1981 through 1983, after which color labels started to be used.
CJ

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:22:06 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP list?

               of
              Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:39:41 -0800

>   > i think its just fine to keep the
>   > discussion here.
>
>   The problem is - I don't like sifting through 40 Lush
>   posts each day.

Who does?  (... and i even like Lush)  It's not that tough to delete them
though.

>   I'm planning to unsubscribe soon, but I
>   figured if we could arrange a separate list for that
>   specific area(s), I'd still be able to get the info I
>   need.
...
>   Well, the more subjects this list covers, the less
>   specialized it becomes.  I'd rather subscribe to a list
>   that gives me ~5 messages a week of useful information
>   than one that gives me 50 a day regarding anything and
>   everything...

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way (in my limited experience).  Some ppl
feel obliged to post to a list just because it's a bit dead lately.  Instead of
getting 5 messages a day of useful information you get about 30 a day comprised
of 3 useful posts and 27 pieces of banter.  I think the large size of this list
keeps the members dedicated (reading/deleting 50 msgs a day can take SOME
effort) and imposes a "threshold of usefulness" on SOME of us.  The vague idea
that we ought to post ONLY when we have something that is worth reading.  It's
the hard to categorize areas and broad perspective of the listmembers that makes
4AD-L so unique.  Divide it up and it will disappear.

>   At any rate, crossposting is still
>   possible.

True.  In fact, despite what i just said, i think it might even work out well
*IF* someone was dedicated enough to forward the *useful* information to 4AD-L
and leave all the good times/cookies/requests-for-Time-Stereo's-address over on
the other list.

-cz


Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:37:20 -0500
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: POLL RESULTS.3


It's true that the best 4AD-related tour of 95 was Throwing Muses, and the
most anticipated 4AD release of 1996 is the new His Name Is Alive, but allow
me to provide the actual correct answers to the following categories:

BEST ALBUM ON 4AD EVER
23-This Mortal Coil-Blood (23)

MOST MISSED FORMER 4AD ARTIST
23-Pale Saints (original line-up) (23)

Thankyou.

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:26:29 -0800 retained.
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: New Lush is really really disapointing


I must say, I picked up the new lush today and it is really the worst
they've ever done. The ballads like "Olimpia" and "Papasan" just don't
work. Remember how everyone was saying how bad Single Girl was, well
it's one of the best songs on the album.

    There are, however, some OK songs "Ladykillers" and "Lastnight" but
other than that.....

 The lyrics on this one just aren't there. They buchered "Childcatcher"
and Lovelife really is remenisint of Elastica. I did notice that on
emma's songs, that there are some effects, at least we can rely on
Emma! I think it was Miki's idea to go punk and Emma is just playing
along.

    I would really like to see them go their own seprate ways if thats
what it takes to get the spacey effects back. If Emma goes her own way
we'll get Spacey, Miki and Chris' band will probably be punk. I know
I've said that before but its a really viable prediction IMO.

    Recap:
Lovelife is Bad
Lush will break up
Miki and Chris = Punk band
Emma = Spooky type band
Phil = Will get a termanal illness and spend the rest of his days with
the mother of the british kindom, Queen Elizibeth