4ad-l Mail for 02-29-1996

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Subject: Re: Names Query
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 17:49:41 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: attention all DJs
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:25:47 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Lush prediction
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 23:39:03 -0500
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: Sheer or Sheer Ripoff of The Breeders
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 09:49:30 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Colourbox sample identified
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 13:18:57 -0500
From: klund@MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Red Hot: Offbeat 2/2/96-NYC
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:27:50 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Bel Canto on Echoes
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 06:50:21 -0800
From: John K. Diliberto (echoes@well.com)
Subject: Re: spoonfed...
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 19:15:44 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Names Query
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 03:23:30 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: before Soul Whirling Somewhere
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:27:32 -0800
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Names Query
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 22:59:51 -0800
From: noiseprincess (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Sellin' CDs here again, watch out.
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:09:14 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name is Alive, ugh.
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 03:29:59 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Kelley Deal's New Band on 4AD????
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 10:02:01 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Lush prediction
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 01:12:46 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Names Query (They do?)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 01:26:03 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: season clearance - sarah 7"s
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:27:32 +1100
From: Season (season@WERPLE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: HNIA to appear in Chicago
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 00:31:19 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: 96 US Tour dates for Dub Syndicate and Israel Vibration
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:48:54 -0500
From: Michael Hauben (hauben@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Projekt Discography
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:45:36 -0800
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: The whole pixies / breeders / belly strain...
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 23:47:05 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Lush's Shining Road
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 17:59:30 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: in a noiseshell...
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 02:43:33 -0800
From: noiseprincess (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: season clearance final update
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:54:49 +1100
From: Season (season@WERPLE.NET.AU)
Subject: Axiom of Choice - real answer, not empthy rambling on the name
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:17:09 +0400
From: Dmitri Bender (db@TWIST.MARK-ITT.RU)
Subject: stupid "Liz Fraser is dead" rumours
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 06:57:35 -0500
From: "the thought of walking's quite absurd" (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Global Communication
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:53:49 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: 18th Dye (non 4ad)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:57:00 GMT+0100
From: Bjarne Laugesen (Bjarne.Laugesen@86197365.DA.DIATEL.DK)
Subject: LG live on echoes
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:06:53 -0400
From: IAAFAC@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU
Subject: Names Query
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:14:30 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Axiom of Choice
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:04:36 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: 18th Dye (non 4ad)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:33:38 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@UCSALF.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Lush prediction
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:08:34 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: LG live on echoes
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:50:11 -0500
From: "...i know it's gonna happen someday..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: CLM is DEAD
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:21:21 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush's Shining Road
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:58:34 -0500
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: season clearance final update
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:06:31 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush's Shining Road
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:57:35 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:35:29 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: |NER| Re: Red Hot: Offbeat Concert and event 2/2/96 in NYC
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:30:15 -0500
From: dj Lovegrove (lovegrov@CLARK.NET)
Subject: belcanto-rumor...
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:33:54 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Projekt Discography
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:47:39 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush's Shining Road
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:04:59 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice - real answer, not empthy rambling on the name
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:52:50 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Virginia Astley interview
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:52:26 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: used CDs, used CDs...get your used CDs here...
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:44:23 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Lush prediction
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:44:17 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: One Lush song does NOT an Elastica make.
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:36:13 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Names Query
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:26:54 CST
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: Re: One Lush song does NOT an Elastica make.
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:09:58 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: whoops
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:41:28 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: John Fryer
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 17:57:05 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Lush's Shining Road
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:08:46 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Names Query
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:33:32 -0700
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: The whole pixies / breeders / belly strain...
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:30:00 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA to appear in Chicago
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:37:54 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Re: The whole pixies / breeders / belly strain...
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:01:39 -0600
From: Space Ghost Poncherello (jrcampbe@MAIL.PITTSTATE.EDU)
Subject: Re: season clearance - sarah 7"s
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:45:13 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush's Shining Road
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:15:23 -0600
From: "M. Wade Chamberlainn" (chamberlainw@YVAX.BYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush prediction
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:56:49 -0500
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Pixies Video's
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 01:33:39 -0600
From: The Grand Kumquat (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Stereolab session
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:55:29 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: French mag w/avam cd
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:32:30 -0500
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Bob Hund rules!
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:15:29 +0100
From: Fredrik Pettersson (gy93frpe@TIMRA.SE)
Subject: Re: E.S.P. "Continent" / Time Stereo question
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:55:38 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bob Hund rules!
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 05:00:15 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Honeytongue and Pooka
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:20:23 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Ear/Rational reliability
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 04:23:42 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: harold budd (plus some eno)
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 04:12:07 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: ESP CONTINENT SLEEVE
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:07:32 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: brook/thethe/swans/eno&wobble/c93
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 04:56:23 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: What's up with this?
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 05:48:28 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: ESP CONTINENT SLEEVE
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:07:34 -0500
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: Re: What's up with this?
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 16:09:07 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: poll
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 19:13:05 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: auction of long ago..
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 17:26:50 -0500
From: Guernica@AOL.COM
Subject: new projekt site
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 17:59:39 -0500
From: jason (jjvenkit@SCIBORG.UWATERLOO.CA)
Subject: Unsubscribe
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 15:49:31 -0500
From: TOSGeneral TOSGeneral (TOSGeneral@AOL.COM)
Subject: about thethe
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:54:11 -0500
From: Rastko Kovacevic (rkovacev@ABACUS.BATES.EDU)
Subject: Re: UVS
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:06:04 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: MINTY : Very slow response here... Sorry if it's already been
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 21:48:39 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 17:49:41 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Names Query


At 2:45 PM 1/28/96, Micah Newman wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, Paul Spirito wrote:
>
>> In "Red House Painters", is it the houses or the painters who are red?
>        the houses.
>> In "His Name Is Alive", whose name is alive?
>        His.
>> In "Throwing Muses", are the muses the throwers or the thrown?
>        throwers.
>> I know this sounds like a (poor) joke but I've become terribly
>> curious. Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>> Paul,
>> who believes in highly nontrivial music.
>>
>        as do I.
There is a special term for what you inquire in Linguistics, but I'm really
too depressed to look it up in my old,dust Lingy books.  Red House
Painters= Painters who paint red houses or Painters who are Red and paint
houses or Painters who paint Houses red.

You figure out the rest.

==================================================
Communicating from the corner of 5th and Vermouth

Fred/Derf Collins

(c/o elvia@uclink3.berkley.edu)

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:25:47 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: attention all DJs


I know there are a bunch of DJs on this list, so
what I'd like to do is compile a list of who's who,
what kind of show you have, what you play, and so on.
Even if you've written to me before, please do so again
so I can update my mailing list.

Please respond only to my personal e-mail address and
be sure to include your mailing address.

Thanks,
Brant

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 23:39:03 -0500
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: Lush prediction


Judging from "Single Girl", this will hopefully be the LAST 4AD effort by
Lush...any takers?

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 09:49:30 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Sheer or Sheer Ripoff of The Breeders


Finally bought a used copy of Sheer's self-titled new album.  Wait a little
more, pay a little less... and thank God I did.  The sound is general 4AD
guitar swirls, yet powerful enough to catch your attention and be a
contender for power-chords weekly.  My only bone with this band is its
patented ripoff of The Breeders.  As you all know, I hate Ivo for his
recent placement/displacement of new 4AD bands, especially RHP.  Here, Ivo
must take responsibility for not changing the sound of Sheer enough to
invoke a "new" band sound to them.  Instead, we receive a clone of once was
and already done ala Da Breeders.  I give Sheer 3 out of 5 stars.  Over all
they Sheer sound good.

Your disturbed reviewer,



==================================================
Communicating from the corner of 5th and Vermouth

Fred/Derf Collins

(c/o elvia@uclink3.berkley.edu)


Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 13:18:57 -0500
From: klund@MIT.EDU
Subject: Colourbox sample identified

              <9601281729.AA27426@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu>

> A few minutes ago on the SciFi channel I heard one of the samples from
> the Colourbox song "Just Give 'em Whisky".
>
> "Satellite space station in operation for landing and refueling."

Thanks, Brant.  Here goes the latest version of my list...

COLOURBOX Samples List v0.40
============================
Songs listed in album order.  Albums listed in reverse cronological
order.  This list is now kept at http://web.mit.edu/klund/www/cbox.txt.
Samples listed in order, but only for the first time they are used.
Times in brackets are the location of the sample in the source movie.

Please print this out, take it home, and compare it to what you hear.
If you can correct or identify any of the quotes, please send me email.
By the way, Westworld is a pretty good movie.

Can anybody help me get a tape of the songs I don't have so I can add
them to this list?  (They are SEX GUN (with vocals), MANIC II, FAST
DUMP, TARANTULA, SHADOWS IN THE ROOM, and PHILIP GLASS.)

HOT DOGGIE
----------
>From the 1987 compliation "Lonely is an Eyesore" (CAD 703)

"Let's hear some music!"
"We've got us some goodies."
--- 2000 Maniacs

"Be with me."
"Here I go."
--- Lifeforce

"Well hot doggie!"

"This guy is crazy.  Okay, you break these windows and get me the hell out
 of here."
--- Dead End Kids/Bowery Boys movie

"Soon the frontier will be down."
"Bow to their new emperor!"
--- The Last Starfighter

"Alright ... Scotty, there has to be."
--- Star Trek?  (sounds like Kirk?)

"You're blind, buddy."

"Pushed to the edge."
"Pushed to the limit."

"Collection time."
--- Deathwish (2? 3?)

"Now you're going to die."
--- Supergirl

"Close your eyes, I love you."
--- Lifeforce

"You will die, lover boy."
"One by one. [chainsaw effect]"
--- The Evil Dead

"This is our celebration."

"No moon now, we're going to stop."


BABY I LOVE YOU SO
------------------
>From the 1986 "Baby I Love You So" 12EP (BAD 604)
(There may be additional samples from "Escape From New York")

"You are now entering the demarkation area."

"'I want to meet this Duke.'
 'You can't meet the Duke.  Are you crazy?  Nobody gets to meet the Duke.
  You meet him once then you're dead.'"
--- Escape From New York

"We're going down.  We're going to crash."
--- Escape From New York

"You now have the option to terminate and be cremated on the premises."
--- Escape From New York

"This is Delta 4, North Bay, Gate 17.  I have an escape in progress.
 Object admits that it will be climbing the wall"
--- Escape From New York

"Two in the water, dead."
--- Escape From New York

"Very well."

"Air traffic, this is Remy"


LOOKS LIKE WE'RE SHY ONE HORSE
------------------------------
>From the 1986 "Baby I Love You So" 12EP (BAD 604)
(Samples reportedly all from "Once Upon a Time in the West" and "A
Fistful of Dynamite" by the master Sergio Leone)

"Looks like we're shy one horse.  [laughter]  You brought two too many."

"I don't want to be a hero, all I want is the money."

"That turd, dressed in black, rode herd on me, the whole damn night."

"Sweetwater?  I'd hate to call that stinking piece of desert Sweetwater."

"You.  Take it."

"No no no."

"Pull for you, you lazy bunch of greasers!"

"You think they'd get off their asses to help us, the bastards?  Hell no."

"..."

"That to me is the bull shit."

"They have a long way."

"... there he is ..."

"Dead or alive."


JUST GIVE 'EM WHISKEY
---------------------
>From the 1985 self-titled album "Colourbox" (CAD 508)
(There may be additional samples from "The Andromeda Strain".  There are
no samples from the sequel to "Westworld", "Futureworld".)

"The lusty decadent delights of imperial Pompei."

"Notify ground crews."
--- Westworld [7:03]

"Sex makes your skin glow, your eyes sparkle."

"Do you fight?"
 --- The Prisoner? (sounds like him)

"Just give 'em whiskey."
--- Westworld [13:50]

"Welcome to voice print identification.  When you see the red light go
 on, would you please state in the following order: your destination,
 your nationality, and your full name."
--- 2001, A Space Odyssey

"'Who are you?'
 'The new Number Two.'
 'Who is Number One?'
 'You are, Number Six.'
 'I am not a number --- I am a free man!'
 [laughter]"
--- The Prisoner, Opening Sequence, Episode ?
    (Number Two was a different actor/voice/laugh in each episode)

"Satellite space stations in operation for landing and refueling."
--- Queen from Outer Space, starring Zsa Zsa Gabor

"Gives you sensual pleasure."

"X-ray delta one, this is mission control.  Roger your two zero one
 three.  Sorry you fellas are having a bit of trouble.  We are reviewing
 telemetric information in our mission simulator and will advise."
--- 2001, A Space Odyssey

"Our robots are programmed to provide you with an unforgetable vacation."

"Dinner at seven, breakfast at six thirty.  Eat lunch on your own."
"Don't look like much here, but we have everything."
--- Westworld [11:15]

"Each resort is maintained by reliable computer technology and peopled by
 lifelike robot men and women."

"Desire ends in satisfaction."

"Experiment with your own life, dammit!"
--- The Andromeda Strain

"Let me handle it."

"And an all controlled environment."

"That's not supposed to happen."
--- Westworld [46:05]

"Ready on six, on five, on four, on three, on two, activate, now."
--- Westworld [33:48]

[siren]
--- The Andromeda Strain

"Shutdown, shutdown immediately!"
--- Westworld [58:28]


EDIT THE DRAGON
---------------
>From the 1985 self-titled "Colourbox" EP (MAD 509)

"'Fancy a pubcrawl?'
 'What, the whole of London?'
 'There's only one place this pair could work.'
 'Knees-up country.'
 'East End'"
--- The Bullshitters, a TV movie spoof of "The Professionals"

"Let's go!"

[fight scene between Lee and O'Hara]
--- Enter the Dragon

[fight scene underground at Han's Island]
--- Enter the Dragon


WE WALK AROUND THE STREETS
--------------------------
>From the 1985 self-titled "Colourbox" EP (MAD 509)

"'We walk around the streets; it makes us angry.  We see chimneys belching
  out smoke.  We see cars belching out smoke.  We see people,'
 'Belching!'
 [laughter]
 'And who's responsible for all this pollution?'
 'We are.'"
--- British comedians Hale and Pace

PUNCH
-----
>From the 1984 "Punch" 12EP (BAD 406)
(All but the "Punch!" sample have to be from some bad porno movie.)

"Punch!"

"Ooo... so wicked and sexy."
"Ooo... ooo... I like that."
"Ooo... feels good."
"Lovely... ooo man."

--
Maintained by Kent Lundberg, who did a 4AD Radio Show, Mondays at 10pm,
1987-1988 on KSPB, Pebble Beach 91.9FM, and who would really like to
hear from anyone who actually ever heard it :-).

Thanks to Jon Wright, Brant Nelson, Timothy King, marvynHortman, Jon
Drukman, Marc Midura, E Chandler, Mark Tazewell, Stuart Brandt, Terry
Collins, K Lexene, Nigel Sinfield, and Andrew Hayes.  Anybody want to
take a crack at the samples in KEEP ON PUSHING (including the phone
call) and SHOTGUN?  Does anyone know if "I never really considered
myself a musician" is a sample, or a quote from one of the Youngs?

Last updated January 28, 1996.  Please send updates and corrections to
klund@mit.edu.  Thank you.

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:27:50 -0500
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Red Hot: Offbeat 2/2/96-NYC


<<<<

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:28:57 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Bel Canto on Echoes (fwd)


---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 06:50:21 -0800
From: John K. Diliberto (echoes@well.com)
Subject: Bel Canto on Echoes


January 26, 1996

                   BEL CANTO APPEARS ON ECHOES

     The Norwegian group, Bel Canto, will appear in a feature on
Echoes, the nightly music soundscape heard on over 130 radio
stations in the United States.  The interview will air on
February 28th, and that following weekend on selected stations.
     Bel Canto is Anneli Drecker and Nils Johansen who came
together in Tromso, Norway, north of the Arctic circle.
They've created an ethereal brand of music that is sometimes
tribal, sometimes techno and often both.  But it's all
centered by the amazing voice of Anneli Drecker.  They have
four albums, "White Out Conditions", "Bird of Passage,"
"Shimmering, Warm & Bright" and coming on February 27th,
"The Magic Box." On Echoes, Anneli and Nils talk about
making music in the land of the Midnight Sun, and how recent
parenthood has changed their music on their latest CD.
     Coming up in March, Bel Canto will be playing live in an
Echoes Living Room Concert.  Exact date to be determined.

To find out Echoes stations & times and other Echoes
information, visit our website at

            http://www.idbsu.edu/bsuradio/echoes.html

     Or send e-mail to echoes@well.com


Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 19:15:44 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: spoonfed...


>>as far as I know there's a 'hibernation' ep and a seven inch with 'scary
>>verlains' and 'the sun always changes my mind'....
>>what is on the 'scary verlaine' ep?
>
>scary verlaine and the sun always changes my mind
>
>scary verlaine is an ambient techno instrumental thing while the sun always
>changes my mind is more in line with "traditional" spoonfed (but better than
>any of the songs on the album, imo.)  can anyone confirm the existence of
>the hibernation ep?  what's on it?  formats?

The EP in question is called 'Hibernation Shock,' and it will be released on
Farrago within the next two months.  We're hashing out the details of
getting the sleeves printed, and that's the last hurdle before everything
goes to the pressing plant.

CD only, FYI.

Cheers,


hk

PS.  I concur with BiZ - "The Sun Always Changes My Mind" kicks major booty
over the Guernica album in its entirety.
--
hk kahng | hk@neosoft.com & farrago@delphi.com
         | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
         | hey, look! i'm picasso!

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 03:23:30 -0800
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Names Query

              28, 96 04:37:01 am

>
> In "Red House Painters", is it the houses or the painters who are red?
Neither...red refers to the 'house painters'

>
> In "His Name Is Alive", whose name is alive?
Jesus...

Rick


Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:27:32 -0800
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: before Soul Whirling Somewhere


A bit of trivia---
Before Michael Plaster started doing Soul Whirling Somewhere
he was in a band called Firecracker who did a cover of
His Name Is Alive's "There's Something Between Us...".
It's one of the very short songs on Home Is In Your Head,
but Firecracker extended it to several minutes with lyrics
supplied by Mr. Defever himself. This ended up on the 4AD
tribute we put out in 1993.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 22:59:51 -0800
From: noiseprincess (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Names Query


> In "Red House Painters", is it the houses or the painters who are red?

  houses.

> In "His Name Is Alive", whose name is alive?

  abe lincoln's.

> In "Throwing Muses", are the muses the throwers or the thrown?

  throwers.


  one of fantastical intelligence,
  cricket


  ...all the silver stars smile from above...

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:09:14 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Sellin' CDs here again, watch out.


*Email* me an offer if you're intersted.

          that is,

Email *me* an offer if you're interested.

Belly stuff:
Sire Feed the Tree ep (spine-sliced promo)
4AD Feed the Tree ep
Gepetto ep [remix 1]
Slow Dust ep
pre-release promo for Star

All the Belly stuff is in excellent shape... especially the UK eps.  If
you're crazy and want to buy all of them at once (which sounds great to
me...) lemme know and maybe we can work out a deal.

If I can't get good bucks for this stuff, I'll probably keep it:

Slowdive - morningrise EP (new; not used)

Spiritualized CDs:
lazer guided melodies, US
pure phase, US
anyway that you want me / step into the breeze UK
feel so sad UK
fucked up inside

Thanks for your attention,
Mike


Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 03:29:59 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: His Name is Alive, ugh.


Having read all this HNIA stuff for the past 4 days, I just had to run and
listen to the 3 of them. I bought Livonia and HIIYH when they came out (in
the US) in 1991. For the things i heard back then, It was supposed to be a
new kind of TMC... talk about a mislead!

To be honest neither one thilled me that much... apart from some tracks on
HIIYH. I completely disliked Livonia, It just sounded so pointless.

Now, 5 years later my opinions have (mostly) changed: I still think Livonia
is pointless, there=B4s no use in owning it (anyone wants to trade...US
version with the extra track); but HIIYH is an *EXCELLENT* disc (US
version). It sounds very coherent and very beautiful. I just love the noise
and then the softness of songs as 'Chances are we are mad'. It is, without a
doubt, the best of the 3. MBM is good (especially Blue Moon).

Thanks for for attention, I have to go clubbing tonite!

See Ya,

Pepe=20

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 10:02:01 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Kelley Deal's New Band on 4AD????


>From alt.music.4ad:

>
New online magazine, Turntable, is located on the World Wide Web at:


The first issue (February) just went up a few days ago and it features
interviews with:

Jack Logan
Jawbreaker
Fig Dish
and Low

The March issue will feature the first post-heroin interview with Kelley Deal
(formerly of the Breeders) and her new Minneapolis band Solid State.
It will also feature interviews with:

Ben Folds Five
Wesley Willis Fiasco
Trailer Hitch
Sauce Rocket
and possibly Everclear & Guided by Voices
<




Emiel Efdee

the Netherlands, January 28, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 01:12:46 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush prediction


On Sun, 28 Jan 1996 TMParade@AOL.COM wrote:

> Judging from "Single Girl", this will hopefully be the LAST 4AD effort by
> Lush...any takers?

No. I think they will undoubtedly snap out of it, though I wonder whether
or not they will stay together. Both Emma and Miki can write tremendous
songs, and have been doing so for too long that they would both just
cease al of a sudden. I think it is something in the chemistry, or else
someone Got To Them. Whatever the case, this reminds me a lot of what
happened to Verve. If I had to predict, I'd say Lush will break apart,
Emma will start a new band which 4AD will sign and which will be good,
and Miki will have her own band, also very good but rejected by 4AD and
eventually she will flake out and stop releasing records for Sony,
Capitol, Caroline, or whomever.

e

I also don't think the album will be nearly as bad as the singles.

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 01:26:03 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Names Query (They do?)


On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, Paul Spirito wrote:

> In "Red House Painters", is it the houses or the painters who are red?

The painters live in a red house.

> In "His Name Is Alive", whose name is alive?

No one's name is alive. Someone's name is Alive.

> In "Throwing Muses", are the muses the throwers or the thrown?

Why do you feel a need to label them? You fascist.

> who believes in highly nontrivial music.

Fuck'nAY!


 einexile, boy king of faxdom


Bonus mini movie reviews:

        Tous les Matins du Monde ... D
         From Dusk Til Dawn ......... F-
          Screamers .................. B-

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:27:32 +1100
From: Season (season@WERPLE.NET.AU)
Subject: season clearance - sarah 7"s


It's Australia Day long week-end  this week-end (happy australia day!) &
we're going camping so I'll sort out this auction biz next week....
there has been some very high bids - especially for MBV - SSS ($40!)
for all those who are waiting - sorry - this aint easy!
dave.


Ok, here's a few Sarah records that my girlfriend, Charm would like to
sell...send offers (in $US) to my address...season@werple.net.au

SAROPOLY                SARAH   GAME!
ACTION PAINTING THESE THINGS HAPPEN     SARAH 028       7"
ANOTHER SUNNY DAY       GENETIC ENGINEERING     CAFF 7  7"
ANOTHER SUNNY DAY       NEW YEARS HONOURS       SARAH60 7"
ANOTHER SUNNY DAY       RIO     SARAH 035       7"
ANOTHER SUNNY DAY       YOU SHOULD ALL BE MURDERED      SARAH 022       7"
BLUEBOY BIKINI  AQUAVINYLE01    7"
BLUEBOY CLEARER/ALISON  SARAH 055       7"
BLUEBOY DIRTY MAGS      SARAH99 7"
BOYRACER        PURE HATRED     SARAH 96        7"
BRIGHTER        AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS     SARAH 019       7"
BRIGHTER        HALF-HEARTED    SARAH 056       7"
BRIGHTER        NOAH'S ARK      SARAH 027       7"
EAST RIVER PIPE AXL OR IGGY     HELL GATE       7"
EAST RIVER PIPE FIRING ROOM     HELL GATE       7"
EAST RIVER PIPE HELMET ON       SARAH75 7"
ETERNAL BREATHE SARAH 031       7"
FIELD MICE      AUTUMN STORE PART ONE   SARAH 024       7"
FIELD MICE      AUTUMN STORE PART TWO   SARAH 025       7"
FIELD MICE      EMMA'S HOUSE    SARAH 012       7"
FIELD MICE      I CAN SEE MYSELF ALONE FOREVER  CAFF2   7"
FIELD MICE      SENSITIVE       SARAH 018       7"
FIELD MICE      SEPTEMBER'S NOT SO FAR AWAY     SARAH 044       7"
FOREVER PEOPLE  INVISIBLE/SOMETIMES     SARAH 054       7"
GOLDEN DAWN     GEORGE HAMILTON'S DEAD  SARAH 017       7"
HEAVENLY        I FELL IN LOVE LAST NIGHT       SARAH 030       7"
HIT PARADE/AMELIA       CHRISTMAS TEARS JULIAN  7"
IVY     AVENGE  SARAH92 7"
IVY     WISH YOU WOULD  SARAH91 7"
NORTHERN PICTURE LIBRARY        LAST SEPTEMBERS FAREWELL KISS   SARAH95 7"
ORCHIDS AN ILL WIND THAT BLOWS  CAFF 11 7"
ORCHIDS UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW...        SARAH 011       7"
ORCHIDS WHAT WILL WE DO NEXT    SARAH 023       7"
SEA URCHINS     A MORNING ODYSSEY       SARAH 033       7"
SHELLEY REPRODUCTION IS POLLUTION       SARAH98 7"
SPRINGFIELDS    WONDER  SARAH 040       7"
ST.CHRISTOPHER  ALL OF A TREMBLE        SARAH 020       7"
SWEETEST ACHE   IF I COULD SHINE        SARAH 036       7"
SWEETEST ACHE   TELL ME HOW IT FEELS    SARAH 039       7"
TRAMWAY MARITIME CITY   SARAH 043       7"
WAKE    CRUSH THE FLOWERS       SARAH 021       7"
 --------------------------------------------------------------------
   |\/\/\/|     Dave Harris : season@werple.net.au
   |      |     Season : Flat 3, 41 Shelley St, Elwood, 3184
   |      |              Victoria, Australia.
   | (o)(o)     Ph/Fax : 61 3 9 531 5049
   C      _)    P.S "this is an interesting signature" (smiley face)
    | ,___|
    |   /
   /____\
  /      \
 --------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 00:31:19 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: HNIA to appear in Chicago


well first off, i should mention that their new material is a slight
departure from previous endeavours...

but here's a brief description of the tapes I have available:

A General letter sent to all interested in the Defever-fest tapes:

During the holiday season here in Detroit, Warren in his infinite genius
decided to throw a "noise festival" with a bunch of Michigan-noise bands ---
some of which he has ties to.  Most of which are also on the Time Stereo
label which he dabbles in (his friend Davin and Kenny, both co-members of
Princess Dragon-Mom with Warren actually run it).

Anyhow, the fest spanned practically an entire week, and across 2 clubs.  I
was fortunate enought to get the really good ones on 2 different nights on
tape... this is from I've heard from other list members anyway, and my own
personal view.

The first night featured and new Time Stereo band (relatively) called 'the
ohms' which is basically noise, and Monster Island which were surprisingly
good - hard to compare to anything though.  That evening also produced Asha
Vida which I wasn't to impressed by but other list members seem to like them
alot...and finally 'ESP-Beetles' with Warren, Davin, and anotherfriend of
theirs who's name escapes me for the moment.

The next evening I taped, I arrived a little late (thanks to work) and just
caught the last 10 minutes of Astrobite (but not on tape)..they were so-so.
 Same as Asha Vida...most other list members like it alot.  The ones I did
catch on tape were Monaural...kind of a cross between Cocteau's and
ESP-Beetles...that's about the best comparison I can do now....they're noisy,
but with the dreamy effect.  Then came (what I'm assuming was) ESP-Family.  A
bunch of Warren's friends gathered on the stage and began playing
noise-schtuff while Davin hung an a tri-colored flag up behind them all
(which also appeared at the ESP-Beetles show) with "ESP" on it.  It also
sounds strikingly similar to the ESP-Family tape.  10 minutes after they
began Karin stepped out and began whispering into the mic... and gradually
after a minute or 2 died and they left (except Karin) and then Warren and
Trey stepped out with one of the guys who had appeared in Monster Island the
week before..never got his name.  40 minutes of bliss let me tell you!!!!!!
 They have quite a piece of work coming... all they played were new songs,
never once drifting back into the annals (sp?) of Livonia HIIYH or MbM.

I'm selling the tapes as:

Tape#1 "The Warren Special" (all the bands Warren appears in during the fest
- with the exception of PD-M that I missed due to illness)

side a:  hisnameisalive (w/intro by ESP-Family)
side b:  ESP-Beetles

Tape#2 "The first excursion" (the first night)
side a:  the ohms
side b:  Monster Island (with a split in the middle due to taope swapping,
but did it during a song break, so you won't miss anything)

Tape#3 "The first excursion" part deux
side a: asha vida
side b: ESP-Beetles

Tape#4  "The final experience"
side a:  Monaural
side b:  hisnameisalive (w/intro by ESP-Family)

I'm asking $7 for each tape ($2 for the tape -- a TDK HIGH-BIAS SA100 --- not
a cheapo Memorex, $1.50 mailing, $2 for Warren (I wouldn't jilt him, he
deserves it, besides he's a friend - and it makes all this legal!, $1.50 for
taking and hour-and-a-half to dub the tape and printing of cover for the tape
(nothing special mind you, but still it's better than the one you get with a
tape!)

Or if you choose, you can send your own tape and $5... all I ask is that the
tape you send is at least a 100min tape (50min each side) as some of the
bands performances run 45-47 minutes long.

I'm going to be honest with you all, these are NOT DAT quality recordings.
 However, I have picked up boots copies of concerts on tape before at record
shows of DCD, the Cocteaux, etc. and I do think that the quality recording I
have is far better than the one you'll find at such shows.

Not to mention this will give you all a sneaky-peek 5 months (??) into the
future as to what the new hnia will sound like!!

as always, if interested in any of the tapes, please write me back via
private e-mail and not the list.

-blue
blubelknol@aol.com


P.S.  I just sent out the first tapes today, and postage is actually $1.74
for 1st class....  oh well...looks like i'm making only $1.25 for close to 2
hours work per tape....!!!!  so as you can see, i'm not really making much on
the tapes at all.  someone should really raise minimum wage!!  ;) ah, for the
love of music!!


Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:48:54 -0500
From: Michael Hauben (hauben@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: 96 US Tour dates for Dub Syndicate and Israel Vibration


Some info on two tours of possible interest to the list! (Sorry
if they have been posted already...) Let me know if anyone is
planning to go to the date at SOB's in NYC! Dub is the key word.

ISRAEL VIBRATION TOUR DATES
On rec.music.reggae by timras@aol.com (TIMRAS)

2/2 Chicago *
2/3 Mississippi Nights /St Louis *
2/5 The Boulder Theatre/ Boulder *
2/6 Salt Lake City *
2/7 Ballard Firehouse/Seattle *
2/8 The Roseland Theatre/Portland
2/9 Mateel Community Center/Redway
2/10 Oakland Civi.Center/Oakland
2/11 Santa Cruz Civi.Auditorium/Santa Cruz
2/13 The Brick Works/Chico*
2/14 Hanger 18/Sacramento
2/15 Arlington Theatre/Santa Barbara *
2/16 San Luis Obispo *
2/18 Long Beach Arena/Long Beach
2/19 San Diego Sports Arena/San Diego
*tenative (as of 1/4/96 list)

2/21 minders binders,tempe,az
2/22 el rey theatre,alb.nm
2/23 liberty lunch,austin,tx
2/24 house of blues,no,la
2/25 the masquerade,atlanta,ga
2/27 tba wash.dc
2/28 s.o.b.s,nyc,ny

                   ON U SOUND / DUB SYNDICATE - 1996 US TOUR
Seen on rec.music.reggae Jan 9 by reggaeruss@aol.com (ReggaeRuss)

Here are the confirmed dates also submitted to Pollstar.  Style Scott will
be touring with Dub Syndicate, while Flabba Holt will be joining the Roots
Radics for the Israel Vibration tour.  More info on the other members
touring to come soon.

        .
        .
        .
       28 - San Luis Obispo CA - SLO Brewery
       29 - off
       30 - Solana Beach CA - Belly Up Tavern
       31 - Los Angeles CA - Troubador
Feb.  1 - Los Angeles CA - Troubador
        2 - Salt Lake City UT - Fairgrounds Horticultural Center
        3 - Telluride CO - TBA
        4 - El Paso TX - The Attic
        5 - off
        6 - Dallas TX - TBA
        7 - Austin TX - TBA
        8 - New Orleans LA - House Of Blues
        9 - St. Louis MO - Mississippi Nights
      10 - Chicago IL - Metro
      11 - Cleveland OH - TBA
      12 - off
      13 - Rochester NY - Water St. Music Hall
      14 - New York City NY - SOB's
      15 - Norwalk CT - TBA
      16 - Mantunuck RI - Ocean Mist
      17 - Boston MA - Mama Kin
      18 - Burlington VT - Club Toast
      19 - off
      20 - Portland ME - TBA
      21 - Philadelphia PA - TBA
      22 - Washington DC - TBA
2/24 House of Blues New Orleans LA
2/25 The Masquerade Atlanta GA
2/26 The Baha Charlotte NC
2/27 tba Washington DC
2/28 SOBs NYC NY

 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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 Netizens Cyberstop

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:45:36 -0800
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Projekt Discography


Continuing the discographies of thislisty record labels,
here's Projekt:

001-012 (deleted)
013     Sam Rosenthal                   Islands
014     Various                         Beneath The Icy Flow
different times.)
015     Various                         From Across This Grey Land #1
016-018 (deleted)
019     Black Tape For A Blue Girl      T-shirt
020     Black Tape For A Blue Girl      The Rope
021-022 (deleted)
023     Sam Rosenthal                   11 page story / dream
024     Sam Rosenthal                   Before The Buildings Fell
025     Black Tape For A Blue Girl      Mesmerised By The Sirens
026     Black Tape For A Blue Girl      Ashes in the Brittle Air
027     Sam Rosenthal                   Fragments (video)
028     Attrition                       Recollection 84-89
029     Various                         From Across This Grey Land #2
030     Black Tape For A Blue Girl      A Chaos Of Desire
031     Area                            Radio Caroline
031     Lycia                           Wake
catalogues as the Area album, on cassette only.
Then as soon as "Wake" came out, it confusingly took on the number 031
also.)
032     Lycia                           Ionia
033     O Yuki Conjugate                Peyote
034     Sam Rosenthal                   Terrace Of Memories
035     Various                         From Across This Grey Land #3
036     Love Spirals Downwards          Idylls
037     Thanatos                        This Endless Night Inside
038     Black Tape For A Blue Girl      This Lush Garden Within
039     Alio Dei                        Under An Holy Ritual
040     Lycia                           A Day In The Stark Corner
041     Various                         The Promises Of Silence
042     Eden                            Healingbow
043     Soul Whirling Somewhere         Eating The Sea
044     Lovesliescrushing               Bloweyelashwish
045     Lovesliescrushing               Youreyesimmaculate 7S
046     Ordo Equitum Solis              Solstitii Temporis Sensus
047     Ordo Equitum Solis              Animi Aegritudo
048     Ordo Equitum Solis              O.E.S.
049     Lycia                           Live
050     Various                         Of These Reminders
051     Love Spirals Downwards          Ardor
052     Human Drama                     Human Drama
053     Bleak                           Vane
054     Eden                            Fire and Rain
055     Lycia                           The Burning Circle And Then Dust
056     Ordo Equitum Solis              Hecate
057     Ordo Equitum Solis              In Russia
058     Human Drama                     Songs Of Betrayal
059     Thanatos                        An Embassy To Gaius
060     Steve Roach/Vidna Obmana        Well Of Souls
061     Soul Whirling Somewhere         Everyone Will Eventually Leave You
062     ??? Dark Christmas ???
063     Thanatos                        An Embassy To Gaius (video)

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 23:47:05 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: The whole pixies / breeders / belly strain...


Perhaps some knowledgable individual can put me right...........

I need clarification who was in what concerning Kim and Kelly Deal, Tanya Donnel
,
Kristin Hersh etc. If somebody could start from Pixies / Throwing Muses and trac

the main parties to present.
i.e. Pixies - Francis, Kim Deal etc, up until the present bands i.e solid state,
belly (example
used - not intended to be correct).


Ta in advance
Chris (who watched South Africa shit all over Algeria in the CAF cup in the rain
....

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 17:59:30 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Lush's Shining Road


Lush are crap.

Single girl. Essentially a Billy Joel song, with an ugly, cheezy chorus
out of some song written for a seventies Neil Simon movie. It is played
in the style of the more obnoxious, less remembered Scene colleagues from
Lush's youth. There is an uninspired Mary Chain solo. The song sounds
like shit; much of the time you can't tell what the hell's happening.

Tinkerbell is not worth discussing, really. There's an ugly, repeating
recorder melody that belongs in some sixties folk music or in a really
bad Current 93 performance, a bassline that consists of two notes; it
switches between at random. There is no discernable vocal melody.

Outside World means don't give Lush an acoustic guitar. The result of
this mistake is a song with no soul or rhythm. As a song, it is as
predictable as they come, the vocals are off--as in off-pitch--and
there's another awful guitar solo. No wonder the British music press are
looking favorably upon this band again! In the end, what you have here
sounds like someone making fun of Wish-era Cure, and that result poisoned
by Lush's quirky chord changes which no longer have any character or
design and so sound more like Enya than Lush.

Cul de Sac sounds like Phillip King just doesn't get it. It's an ugly
instrumental that tries to mix lounge-jazzy dominant seventh shit with
muzak and dissonance and the mixture is horrid, lifeless, and stupid.
Laughable, really, but better than the previous two songs so give the guy
some credit for saving the single.

I thought someone said Chris Acland wrote a song for one of these eps?
Nope.

Single Girl. The exact same version, I guess. Did I mention that the
lyrics are embarrassing? "Don't wanna talk to myself again tonight," she
says. PLEASE. This entire set of singles is Lush talking to themselves,
in the most biblical sense of the expression. At least the track kind of
rocks and reminds me of Lush.

Pudding. Why name a song Pudding? I can think of better things to feed
these people. The song at least *sounds* good, but in its attempt to be
a cheeky country song while imitating previous Lush songs, it becomes
obnoxious. The singing is wrong again and the verse melody is this hokey,
high pitched cowboy stuff. Reminds me a little of Thanatos, actually.

Demystification is not a Lush song, but they did play it so I blame them
for it. Can you imagine the music of Phoebe from "Friends" adapted for a
silly Japanese powered-armor cartoon? Well there you go. It sounds
EXACTLY like that, and this is NOT a joke.

Shut Up suffers from easily the worst case of poor singing in the whole
batch--enough that I can't fathom how 4AD allowed this to be released.
For what it's worth, the song is a step or two better than anything else
here. The biggest problem with the track is again the undead guitar
strumming.

Please don't infer from the subject header that these singles are in any
way as good as Shining Road. The Cranes have taken a big fall but not
like this one. This single is a fucking disaster, I can't believe 4AD
would release something this awful even in this era of Ocean Beach and
Within the Toward, and I'm sure as hell not buying the album without
hearing it first. All the way through and some change. How thoroughly
depressing.


 e

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 02:43:33 -0800
From: noiseprincess (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: in a noiseshell...


  i'd like to take the time and bandwith to say...


  noisehopper is the grooviest.


  now that you're all confused and/or pissed off at the un-4ad
  nature of this post, i'm going to go eat a piece of cheescake
  and listen to godzuki.


  sara lee,
  cricket

  ...gorzak, as always, came to rock...


Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:54:49 +1100
From: Season (season@WERPLE.NET.AU)
Subject: season clearance final update


ok, i've gone through all your bids; here's a list of the top bids - now you
should have an idea of what sort of price things are going for. If anyone
wants to top any of these bids - they can, but i want to sort all this out
by the end of the week, so please get in quick...I'm not going to post any
more about this publicly, so expect private mail if you've put in a 'good' bid.

        A HOUSE CALL ME BLUE
        A HOUSE KICK ME AGAIN JESUS
        A HOUSE SNOWBALL DOWN/YOU
6       AMELIA  CAN YOU KEEP A SECRET?
15      BABY LEMONADE   SECRET GOLDFISH
        BACHELOR PAD    SMOOTHIE
6       BIFF BANG POW!  SOMEONE STOLE MY WHEELS
6       BIFF BANG POW!  THE WHOLE WORLDS TURNING BROUCHARD!
5       BLAKE BABIES    LADIES WITH AN ATTITUDE...
5       BODINES GOD BLESS/PARADISE
5       BODINES HEARD IT ALL
        BOYRACER        AUL 36X EP
9       BRIAN   YOU DON'T WANT A BOYFRIEND
        CANDY DARLINGS  THAT'S WHERE CAROLINE LIVES
12      CHARLOTTES      ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?
8       CHESTERFIELDS   GUITAR IN YOUR BATH
10      CLOSE LOBSTERS  NEVER SEEN BEFORE
4       CONFETTI        SEA ANEMON EP
5       DARLING BUDS    BURST
5       DARLING BUDS    IT'S ALL UP TO YOU
5       DARLING BUDS    SHAME ON YOU
        DEARLY  ONLY BETWEENS
10      DIE FUNF FREUNDE        PERFECT DAY
5       EAST VILLAGE    VIBRATO/VIOLIN
5       FAT TULIPS      DRIVING ME WILD
6       FAT TULIPS      FOUR SONGS FOR SIMON
        FAT TULIPS      NEW SPRING RITES FOR SARAH
8       FAT TULIPS      WHERE'S CLARE GROGAN NOW?
        FIVE YEAR PLAN  HIT THE BOTTLE
6       HAYWAINS        FISHERMAN'S FRIEND
5       HONEYBUNCH      WALKING INTO WALLS
10      IMPOSSIBLES     DELPHIS
        IT'S IMMATERIAL SPACE
14      JAMES DEAN DRIVING EXP...       DEAN'S ELEVENTH DREAM
12      JESSE GARON...  ADAM FAITH EXPERIENCE
12      JESSE GARON...  SPLASHING ALONG
5       JESSE GARON...  UNION CITY BLUE
10      JESTERBELLS     JUST LIKE APPLES
10      JESUS AND MARY CHAIN    APRIL SKIES
10      JESUS AND MARY CHAIN    SURFIN' USA
10      JESUS AND MARY CHAIN    UPSIDE DOWN
        LEGENDARY BANG  BIG BLUFF
        LINDA SMITH     TIL ANOTHER TIME
9       LOFT    UP THE HILL & DOWN THE SLOPE
3       LORELEI ASLEEP
10      MAN FROM DELMONTE       WATER IN MY EYES
5       MAYFIELDS       DEEPER THAN THE OCEAN
5       MAYFIELDS       WORLD OF YOUR OWN
11      McCARTHY        FRANS HALS
8       MEAT WHIPLASH   DON'T SLIP UP
        MIGHTY LEMON DROPS      THE OTHER SIDE OF YOU
4       MOSSPOLES       ONE SUMMER
6       MOUSEFOLK       GRANNIES CAKE CRISIS
6       MOUSEFOLK       SONGS OF LOVE AND HATE
        MUSICAL CHAIRS  TIME LAPSE
20      MY BLOODY VALENTINE     NO PLACE TO GO
40      MY BLOODY VALENTINE     SUNNY SUNDAE SMILE
4       ONE THOUSAND VIOLINS    LOVE IN
12      PALESAINTS      A THOUSAND STARS BURST OPEN - BONUS 7"
12      PASTELS DIFFERENT DRUM (SIGNED BY STEPHEN!)
5       PASTELS SONGS FOR CHILDREN
        POWER OF DREAMS NEVER BEEN TO TEXAS
        PRAYERS SISTER GOODBYE
5       PRIMITIVES      SPELLS
5       PRIMITIVES      WAY BEHIND ME
5       RAW HERBS       SHE'S A NURSE
12      RAZORCUTS       BIG PINK CAKE
12      RAZORCUTS       SOMETIMES I WORRY ABOUT YOU
        RED LETTER DAY  HIBERNATION
        RED SLEEPING BEAUTY/ BENITO
        ROPERS  I DON'T MIND
8       SERVANTS        SHE'S ALWAYS HIDING
6       SHOP ASSISTANTS HERE IT COMES
7       SIDDELEYS       WHAT WENT WRONG THIS TIME
        SMALL FACTORY   LOSE YOUR WAY
        SMALL FACTORY   SUGGESTIONS
        SMALL FACTORY   WHAT TO WANT
15      SOUP DRAGONS    THE SUN IN THE SKY EP
4       SOUP DRAGONS    WHOLE WIDE WORLD
6       SPIRITUALIZED   SMILE/SWAY
20      STEREOLAB       DOUBT/CHANGER
        STONE ROSES     ELEPHANT STONE
        STONE ROSES     WHAT THE WORLD IS WAITING FOR
        SWINGS & ROUNDABOUTS EP RILEYS/ACID HOUSE KINGS/HOME & ABROAD
        TEENAGE FANCLUB EVERYBODY'S FOOL
        TELEVISION PERSONALITIES        PRETTIEST GIRL IN THE WORLD
        THAT PETROL EMOTION     GENIUS MOVE
3       TIGER TRAP/HENRY'S DRESS        ASTRONAUTICAL MUSIC FESTIVAL
        TREE FORT ANGST BUZZING WITH BEAUTY & WONDER
        TREE FORT ANGST TILTING AT WINDMILLS
        VELOCITY GIRL   MY FORGOTTEN FAVOURITE
4       VELVET CRUSH    SOUL CRUSHER EP
6       WEATHER PROPHETS        ALMOST PRAYED dbl7"
4       WEATHER PROPHETS        ALMOST PRAYED
4       WEATHER PROPHETS        ALWAYS THE LIGHT
        WHITE TOWN      ALAIN DELON EP
        WHITE TOWN      ALL SHE SAID
        WHITE TOWN      WHITE TOWN
        WHORL   MAYBE IT'S BETTER
5       VELOCITY GIRL/TSUNAMI   CHRISTMAS SPLIT
        McCARTHY/A HOUSE        SOUNDS MACHINE SAMPLER
3.5     TWO FOR THE PRICE OF ONE FANZINE/EP
        CUDGELS/DUFFLECOATS/KIND
        STRAWBERRY STORY/DALEK BEACH PARTY/KIND
6       HAPPY HOLIDAYS EP       GOTW/W.TOWN/3HTOUR/CB&SG
5       PALESAINTS/FRENTE/JPS EXPERIENCE/J HATFIELD SPLIT


5       AFTERGLOW       FALL BEHIND
        AUTOHAZE        DIVE INTO THE SUN
        AUTOHAZE        UNDECIDED
6       BATS    BLOCK OF WOOD
        CAPTAIN COCOA   BORN TO SHOP
10      CHILLS  PINK FROST
10      CHILLS  ROLLING MOON
        CLEAN   GETTING OLDER
        CLERGY  ROSETHORN
        CLUB HOY        ON AND ON
        DIED PRETTY     TIME/ MARCH PAST
        EARTHMEN        COOL CHICK #59
        EARTHMEN        FIGURE 8
        EARTHMEN        STACEY'S CUPBOARD/ROLL
6       EVEN AS WE SPEAK        BLUE SUBURBAN SKIES
4       EVEN AS WE SPEAK        GOES SO SLOW
5       EVEN AS WE SPEAK        ONE STEP FORWARD EP
        FEAR OF FALLING CROSSROADS OF REALITY
        FEAR OF FALLING FOR THE TOURIST
        FEAR OF FALLING HAND IN HAND
        FEAR OF FALLING YOUR PLACE
        GIRL OF THE WORLD       LE CIRQUE
        GIRL OF THE WORLD       TRAVEL EP
        HONEYS  GONE AWAY/MONSTER
        HONEYS  THE MAN WHO WAS THROUGH ...
6       HUMMINGBIRDS    2 WEEKS WITH A GOOD MAN dbl 7"
        HUMMINGBIRDS    BLUSH (SIGNED)
        HUMMINGBIRDS    GET ON DOWN
        HUMMINGBIRDS    HINDSIGHT
        LOVE POSITIONS  LIGHT OF DAY
        MACGUFFINS      RICH TOGETHER
        PRAY TV SPENT
        RAINYARD        HELLBENT SUICIDAL...
        RIPE    SPACESUIT 42
        STRAIGHTJACKET FITS     DOWN IN SPLENDOUR
        SUGARGLIDERS    AH PRAHRAN
        SUGARGLIDERS    ANOTHER FAUX PAS...
8       SUGARGLIDERS    FURLOUGH
4       SUGARGLIDERS    LETTER FROM A LIFEBOAT
4       SUGARGLIDERS    SEVENTEEN
4       SUGARGLIDERS    TOP 40 SCULPTURE
4       SUGARGLIDERS    TRUMPET PLAY
6       SUGARGLIDERS    WILL WE EVER LEARN
        THE FILLS       MONTH
        WHIPPER SNAPPERS        YOU NEVER LOOK


hmmm!   SAROPOLY
6       ACTION PAINTING THESE THINGS HAPPEN
12      ANOTHER SUNNY DAY       GENETIC ENGINEERING
3       ANOTHER SUNNY DAY       NEW YEARS HONOURS
        ANOTHER SUNNY DAY       RIO
5       ANOTHER SUNNY DAY       YOU SHOULD ALL BE MURDERED
5       BLUEBOY BIKINI
5       BLUEBOY CLEARER/ALISON
        BLUEBOY DIRTY MAGS
        BOYRACER        PURE HATRED
        BRIGHTER        AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS
        BRIGHTER        HALF-HEARTED
6       BRIGHTER        NOAH'S ARK
        EAST RIVER PIPE AXL OR IGGY
        EAST RIVER PIPE FIRING ROOM
        EAST RIVER PIPE HELMET ON
6       ETERNAL BREATHE
6       FIELD MICE      AUTUMN STORE PART ONE
6       FIELD MICE      AUTUMN STORE PART TWO
6       FIELD MICE      EMMA'S HOUSE
12      FIELD MICE      I CAN SEE MYSELF ALONE FOREVER
8       FIELD MICE      SENSITIVE
6       FIELD MICE      SEPTEMBER'S NOT SO FAR AWAY
        FOREVER PEOPLE  INVISIBLE/SOMETIMES
8       GOLDEN DAWN     GEORGE HAMILTON'S DEAD
8       HEAVENLY        I FELL IN LOVE LAST NIGHT
6       HIT PARADE/AMELIA       CHRISTMAS TEARS
        IVY     AVENGE
        IVY     WISH YOU WOULD
4       NORTHERN PICTURE LIBRARY        LAST SEPTEMBERS FAREWELL KISS
11      ORCHIDS AN ILL WIND THAT BLOWS
        ORCHIDS UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW...
        ORCHIDS WHAT WILL WE DO NEXT
        SEA URCHINS     A MORNING ODYSSEY
        SHELLEY REPRODUCTION IS POLLUTION
        SPRINGFIELDS    WONDER
        ST.CHRISTOPHER  ALL OF A TREMBLE
5       SWEETEST ACHE   IF I COULD SHINE
        SWEETEST ACHE   TELL ME HOW IT FEELS
        TRAMWAY MARITIME CITY
8       WAKE    CRUSH THE FLOWERS
 --------------------------------------------------------------------
   |\/\/\/|     Dave Harris : season@werple.net.au
   |      |     Season : Flat 3, 41 Shelley St, Elwood, 3184
   |      |              Victoria, Australia.
   | (o)(o)     Ph/Fax : 61 3 9 531 5049
   C      _)    P.S "this is an interesting signature" (smiley face)
    | ,___|
    |   /
   /____\
  /      \
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:17:09 +0400
From: Dmitri Bender (db@TWIST.MARK-ITT.RU)
Subject: Axiom of Choice - real answer, not empthy rambling on the name


Looks like nobody provided you Paul with anything but discussion about
different funny scientific names.

OK, right now I don't have it nearby (a friend borrowed it quite a long
time ago actually) but I'd recommended it to all whom DCD-ish type of music
may concern. In fact, it's unlikely to be another DCD ripoff (like, say, Eden
- I have nothing against Eden though, mind you) as all musicians invloved
are to one or another degree Persian born people and hence inherited
great deal of skill in performing Persian folk music. There are almost
exclusively Persian instruments played (+guitar mebbe - I can't recall
exactly), but the album delivers quite modern sound. I can distinguish
pure folk and modern music with elements of folk, so there you'll find
not pure folk. It's by all means is pretty nice work, it bears many
memorable melodies and rich sound textures. I honestly recommend it to
all DCD fans, most likely you won't be disappointed. Back in '95 I even
managed to tape it and sent out to another 4ad listie, Boroda - perhaps
he could comment on it, too (he's been silent for quite a long time though,
seems to be dead busy).

The label, X.25 (yeah, they've got remarkable name :) - they put it as X dot
25   ) exists in cyberspace, I believe its WWW site
is at http://www.xdot25.com (or without WWW prefix).


Dmitri Bender......... db@mark-itt.ru .................................
.............."Nothing is beautiful from every point of view"....Horace

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 06:57:35 -0500
From: "the thought of walking's quite absurd" (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: stupid "Liz Fraser is dead" rumours


I wrote:
>>And as I understand it, "information exchange" does not include posting
>>mistaken rumours that you know to be false like some kind of clueless
>schlepper.

and Peter Wang wrote:
>Yes indeed!! To be honest, I only posted the rumor to instigate entertaining
>reactions such as yours.

Why, thank you - I'm honoured, also because you saw fit to steal my .sig.
Did you know that both your first and last names are slang terms for "penis"?

Larry

I wonder what kind of, um, amps Solid State use...

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:53:49 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Global Communication

              Jan 26, 96 10:31:12 am

"James P. Crimm"  wrote:
 >
 > Is all of Global Communication's stuff as good as Pentamorous
 > Metemorphisis?  I really liked this. What other of their stuff
 > exists and is worth buying?

I found my copy of PM this weekend, and had a bit of an ambient Sunday
afternoon (PM, Locust, The Orb [First album is perfect, the recent one
still sounds like unfocussed rubbish], and lots of sleep).

Global Communication's 76:14 (I think those are the right numbers) is
very similar - some of it is Eno-type ambient, some of it has beats, all
very relaxing and calming.  The "Maiden Voyage" single which was
released from the album has remixes by Michael Brook and Spiritualized,
neither had to modify the music much to stamp their own personalities on
it.  There's also an album of remixes which I haven't seen yet.

Middleton and Pritchard also trade as Reload (the album "A Collection
of Short Stories" has been mentioned), Reload tracks tend to have more
of a mechanical techno sound, and as Link/E621, even more technoey -
there's an album called "The Theory of Evolution" on Warp which
collects a lot of Reload and Link stuff originally released on their
own Evolution label.  I found this very cheap in a sale, and I'm glad I
didn't pay the full price for it - Link's "Antacid" single was fun in a
retro acid bleepy kind of way, but I get the impression that most of
the music on the album was composed for use in a club, not for
listening to at home.


Paul Spirito  wrote:
 > The final elegance, not to console
 > Nor sanctify, but plainly to propound.
 >
 > 7 Wallace Stevens, "Notes Toward a Supreme Fiction"

What's the "7" for? (Rationalist, wearing a square hat).

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 29/01/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/NORMAN.HTM
The Undertones


Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:57:00 GMT+0100
From: Bjarne Laugesen (Bjarne.Laugesen@86197365.DA.DIATEL.DK)
Subject: Re: 18th Dye (non 4ad)


"Have you heard of 18th Dye"
Fred/Derf Collins


Sebastian Byttrich (vocal, guitar), Heike Raedeker (bas, vocal) and Piet Bendtse
 (drums).
The band lives in Berlin. SB is german, PB is danish and HR is half german half 
anish.
HR and PB left Copenhagen in 1988 and moved to Berlin, because she wanted to stu
y art.
", which has been sold in 5000 copies in Europe.
Their latest CD "Tribute To a Bus" is produced by Steve Albini on their own labe
.

I have never seen them live, but i have heard and read that they are very good a
d perhaps one of the best live bands right now.

Bjarne

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:06:53 -0400
From: IAAFAC@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU
Subject: LG live on echoes


Hi,

        I know that a few people have offered to record the recent live
broadcast of Lisa Gerrard on Echoes, but I seem to have missed all of their
tags...  Sorry for the inconvenience, but if anybody owns such a recording and
is willing to share, please respond to my mail privately to
iaa5876@rit.edu

Thanks in advance

Ilya

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:14:30 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Names Query

              <310afba0.9348109@winthrop.slic.com>

Paul wrote (and, hopefully, this time I might be of a little more use):

>In "His Name Is Alive", whose name is alive?

I always took it to be Jesus.  My fading memory is trying to claim that
"His name is alive" is a stock religious phrase but I might just have
invented that.

>In "Throwing Muses", are the muses the throwers or the thrown?

I remember an interview with Kristin Hersh years back which suggested the
muses were being thrown.  KH said that she the thought the name was a bit
arrogant and that really it should be "Thrown by Muses".  The bit about
arrogance suggests that KH thinks she is doing the throwing?

Simon Hughes


Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:04:36 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Axiom of Choice

              <199601270546.VAA04866@vader.inow.com>

Having already blown away my theory, Jens Alfke makes sure no traces are
left thus:

>Simon Hughes responds:
>>Can I restrict my theory to groups named after
>>mathematical principles, axioms, laws etc?
>
>How about the Multiplication Rock series of cartoons/songs that were a
>vital part of growing up for all American Gen-X'ers? Tell me that "Little
>Twelvetoes" or "My Hero Zero" (or that one about number 9 whose title I
>forget) weren't cool. (Hey, isn't there supposed to be a Schoolhouse Rock
>tribute album?)

Hee hee, never heard of those.  So, do they come from the classical or
intuitionistic school of mathematics? :-)

>What I was objecting to was the assumption that scientific/ mathematical/
>technical ideas were not worthy of inspiring good music, unlike squishier
>ideas from the humanities -- e.g. that a band naming themselves after a
>Wallace Stevens poem are cool, whereas one naming themselves after a
>theorem from group theory aren't.

I'm gonna have to come flat out and admit that it's just an irrational
prejudice I have.  I'm not familiar with Wallace Stevens, but I'm sad to
say that a band called "Ode to Gromit" would probably stand a much better
chance of worming their way into my affections that the "The Sylow-Lagrange
All Stars".

>An unfortunate prejudice that I think
>is actually lessening with the growing hipness of the Net, fractals,
>chaos, et cetera. Fractal geometry, at least as cool art, is certainly an
>integral part of the rave & ambient scene.

I am waiting with dread for the "Mandelbrot Singers" (or did I already miss
them?).

>And historically, the old
>scientist/nerd image was a great influence on Kraftwerk and Devo!

Who, as far as I can tell, subverted it somewhat.  Thus they are cool.

>I have to admit that part of my outrage is because I've long had a dream
>that if I ever started a band (ha!) I'd name it Venus By Radar, which was
>the title of a planetary science symposium at Caltech back when I was an
>undergrad.

And that sounds like a cool name to me!  Not too techhy obscure, you see.


Paul added:

>Taken broadly, all artists
>(except the purest punks) are scientists

You missed Luther Vandross (no punk he!).  There is nothing remotely
rational or scientific about his inexplicable success.

>Perhaps the biggest
>influence is indirect: it's difficult to imagine the art of the
>twentieth century having been made without the scientific advances of
>the nineteenth and twentieth centuries; not just because of the impact
>of technology on the world (which is one indirect route) but because
>of the impact of science on philosophy and thence to art.

I think you're right.  Ultimately, there is only *one* culture.  It can
just take quite a time for it to fuse together.


Thom S. Heileson added:

>Now, Silverchair, _there's_ a shitty
>band name!!

Proving my theory precisely, since "Silverchairs" were the early
"engineering breakthrough" prototype ejector seats (at least they might
have been).

Simon Hughes

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:33:38 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@UCSALF.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: 18th Dye (non 4ad)


> Sebastian Byttrich (vocal, guitar), Heike Raedeker (bas, vocal) and Piet Bendt
en (drums).
> The band lives in Berlin. SB is german, PB is danish and HR is half german hal
 danish.
> HR and PB left Copenhagen in 1988 and moved to Berlin, because she wanted to s
udy art.
> 1990: they joined a band (don't know the name) where they met SB.
> 1991: they started 18th Dye.
> 1992: Cloudland Records (a danish indie company) released their first album "D
ne", which has been sold in 5000 copies in Europe.
> 1993: "Crayon"  released.
> Their latest CD "Tribute To a Bus" is produced by Steve Albini on their own la
el.


'Done' and others (can't remember off hand I have a cat. at home) are available 
rom Che'
in the UK.

Richard

Richard Clemens, Centre Officer
Department of Construction & Surveying
University College Salford, Salford M6 6PU, UK

"       "  Anon


Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:08:34 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush prediction


On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, einexile the meek wrote:

> I also don't think the album will be nearly as bad as the singles.
>
Hope springs eternal.

Martin


Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:50:11 -0500
From: "...i know it's gonna happen someday..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re: LG live on echoes


did the concert on echos follow the same format as the live shows?  i.e.,
        did it start with poetry reading?
echoes is on between 1-3am (mon-fri) in nyc.  LG's show was on the 23rd of
        jan, but silly me thought it would be on at 1am on the 24th!  u know,
        assuming that a new days doesn't start until the sunrises...B-[

peaches and itches;

JhR


Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:21:21 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: CLM is DEAD


I just got the official word from Woody Dumas of
C'est La Mort:

" PS: I am very glad to be out of the business. You can quote me on that. :)"

So there you have it. C'est La Mort is no more.

Brant
Dewdrops

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:58:34 -0500
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush's Shining Road


actually, chris acland DID write a song for single girl- it's called
"sweetie" and it's the b-side to the single girl 7".  it's okay...

plus supposedly phil wrote another instrumental for an upcoming single.
i rather like the loungy tunes, they're better than well, i won't put
lush down but cul de sac is one of the cooler new tracks.

lorelei

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:06:31 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: season clearance final update


Dave,

>>12      PALESAINTS      A THOUSAND STARS BURST OPEN - BONUS 7"<<

Is this my bid? Let me know if anyone tops this.

>>10      CHILLS  PINK FROST<<

I'll go up to $12 on this as well. Gotta have it.

Thanks,

Roy

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:57:35 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Lush's Shining Road


einexile the meek wrote:

> I'm sure as hell not buying the album without
> hearing it first. All the way through and some change. How thoroughly
> depressing.

I absolutely concur.  I was so horrified.  What a piece of crap.

moran


Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:35:29 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice


Dmitri Bender notes:
>The label, X.25 (yeah, they've got remarkable name :)

..Which reminds me of another techie-named band that doesn't suck: 10
Bass T, a Bay Area hip-hop / acid-jazz outfit. Actually I haven't heard
them myself but by all reports they kick booty.

Sorry, I'll stop this lame thread right now.

__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          ________________________________________
                          He wants a shoehorn, the kind with teeth
                         'Cause he knows there's no such thing.

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:30:15 -0500
From: dj Lovegrove (lovegrov@CLARK.NET)
Subject: Re: |NER| Re: Red Hot: Offbeat Concert and event 2/2/96 in NYC

          NE-RAVES@world.std.com, ambient@hyperreal.com

matt skylab (who played a crazy set in baltimore on the 27th) will
be djing on friday, as will spooky.  the others i am not sure of.

this wed, myself at matt skylab will be djing at static in nyc.

lovegrove

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:33:54 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: belcanto-rumor...


...finally breaking my list silence after a long break.  anyway, the new
bel canto single:

well, i have to say, compared to this thing i'm absolutely in love with
the new lush single.  this is more disappointing than anything i didn't
like all last year.  i don't like the music too much, and i really can't
stand the vocals.  i don't know what else to say; i can't even describe
how bad it is.  '96's a bad year.

....anyway, does anybody want to trade me for this thing?  i don't want it.

and oh, i've got the lush "last night" promo, and that song shows much
more promise than anything on the first single.

        well...back to disappearing

                        .mark.

...oh, i will eventually review the new soul whirling somewhere.  someday.


Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:47:39 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Projekt Discography


        Does anyone know exactly when lovesliescrushing's new album
"Xuvetyn" will be available? Advance word said "February", but can anyone
give a more accurate date? DarkWave?


Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:04:59 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush's Shining Road


At 10:57 AM 1/29/96, Jason Wintz wrote:
>einexile the meek wrote:
>
>> I'm sure as hell not buying the album without
>> hearing it first. All the way through and some change. How thoroughly
>> depressing.
>
>I absolutely concur.  I was so horrified.  What a piece of crap.
>
>moran

I will co-sign on this.  Lush has should disband.  All albums produced
before Spooky (excluding Spooky) was really great.  Spooky and thereafter,
forget it.

==================================================
Communicating from the corner of 5th and Vermouth

Fred/Derf Collins

(c/o elvia@uclink3.berkeley.edu)

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:52:50 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice - real answer, not empthy rambling on the name


I'd like to thank Dmitri for the information on Axiom of Choice.Though
I enjoyed the discussion of scientific names, I'd almost given up
hope. The URL he gave (http://www.xdot25.com) is correct, and they
even have a couple of ( I thought, quite impressive) samples from the
album. The funniest thing is that their Director of Tehran Operations
has an account on America Online, the Great Satan of online services.
Anyway, I'm ordering the album so I'll post another review after I get
it.

Paul,
who tries to maintain a nonempty intersection with reality.


Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:52:26 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Virginia Astley interview


At long last, I've come within striking distance of
setting up an interview with Virginia Astley. She's supposed
to be faxing me in the next week or so, so if anyone here
wants any specific questions asked, please email me.

A new album is finished and is about to be released in the
next month or two by Nippon Columbia.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:44:23 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: used CDs, used CDs...get your used CDs here...


Breeders                            Cannonball CD5
         $5 ppd        24-Jan-1996 krieg@ct.med.ge.com

Breeders                            Divine Hammer CD5
         $5 ppd        24-Jan-1996 krieg@ct.med.ge.com

Breeders                            Safari CD5
         $5 ppd        24-Jan-1996 krieg@ct.med.ge.com

O Yuki Conjugate                    Peyote
         $8ppd         22-Jan-1996 boroda@macc.wisc.edu

Pixies                              Trompe le Monde
         trade         26-Jan-1996 dscheck@rohan.sdsu.edu

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:44:17 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush prediction


On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Martin Wagner wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, einexile the meek wrote:
>
> > I also don't think the album will be nearly as bad as the singles.
> >
> Hope springs eternal.

Naivete with a dash of denial, actually. Plus I am still recovering from
Ejector Seat Reservation. Give me some time, dammit!

 e


Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 12:36:13 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: One Lush song does NOT an Elastica make.


I couldn't understand why everyone was saying that Lush is now trying to
be Elastica, blah blah blah, until I heard Ladykillers.
Whether it sounds like Elastica or not is irrelevant. It is a great
song.  It's classic.  AND I'm glad it's a (kind of) different sound for
Lush.

BUT

If you listen to Last Night or either of the Single Girl eps, I doubt
you'll think THEY sound like Elastica songs.

This is just like when the Tipp City ep came out.  Everyone said 'The
Amps suck' until they heard the album.  Suddenly the biggest bashers were
now the biggest fans.

For those who say that Lush now sucks because you think they sound like
Elastica, I wonder how long it's gonna take you to eat crow once the
album is released.... huh?

being bitchy once again,

Strick9

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:26:54 CST
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: Names Query

              <960128133209_129521799@emout05.mail.aol.com>

i don't believe the abraham lincoln/ his name is alive bit is just a cute
story, cause when i interviewed him two years ago he said the exact same
thing. (or perhaps he just *really* likes this story!)

just thought i'd let you know...

j.ariane


Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:09:58 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: One Lush song does NOT an Elastica make.


        When does that album come out? Or have I missed everything and
it's already out??

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:41:28 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: whoops


sorry for posting to the list.  it was an accident.


. e-mail: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 17:57:05 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: John Fryer


What happend to John Fryer? After the mixing of Livonia and HIIYH, he
completely vanished! Has he worked with someone else after this?

Also, what are his non-4AD works (i remember Moev=B4s head down...).

Pepe


Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:08:46 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Lush's Shining Road


>I will co-sign on this.  Lush has should disband.  All albums produced
>before Spooky (excluding Spooky) was really great.  Spooky and thereafter,
>forget it.


I will recieve Single Girl in 5 days... I=B4ll check if this is really true.
But for the past albums, I have to say that Spooky IS the weakest of them
all, while Split IS THEIR BEST ALBUM EVER (I just love When I Die and Kiss
Chase)!

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:33:32 -0700
From: cz (ckemnitz@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Names Query


        j.ariane said:
>i don't believe the abraham lincoln/ his name is alive bit is just a cute
>story, cause when i interviewed him two years ago he said the exact same
>thing. (or perhaps he just *really* likes this story!)

Thanks, it really does make me wonder.
        But i can't believe that he did NOT know that it was a stock
christian religious phrase.  If he didn't know it originally, i'm sure he
found out rather quickly (perhaps even before getting signed).  Makes me
wonder whether the christian connotation was the original reason for the
name but he had a change of heart and wanted to obfuscate the matter by
creating a new story (one that he may even stick to over an extended period
of time).
        When i first saw Livonia by His Name is Alive i said, "Hmmm?  Ivo
is releasing a christian band on 4AD?"  And it was not until this thread
began that i thought it could be anything other than an affirmation of
faith (whether of a traditional sort or a unconventional type).

-cz

Ryko) and thought it had it's moments of greatness and a few lulls.   It
wasn't until HiiYH that i realized the *GENIUS* of HNiA (i guess that is
the concensus amongst us HNiA devotees).  Livonia seemed even better in
conjunction with HiiYH.  The Dirt Eaters EP was a joy too but it was not
until MbM that they fell from grace in my eyes.  MbM was such a huge let
down after HiiYH (sure it has a few gems but ... ).  It seemed that they
began to embrace the true evil of "normalcy."  Ack!  I only hope the new
album brings them in a different direction.

___<<<<<<<<<*********ckemnitz@students.wisc.edu********>>>>>>>>>___

"That's how society strangled all those it wanted to get rid of, or wanted
to protect itself from, and put them in asylums, because they refused to be
accomplices to a kind of lofty swill.
     For a lunatic is a man that society does not wish to hear but wants to
prevent from uttering certain unbearable truths."   -Antonin Artaud

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:30:00 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: The whole pixies / breeders / belly strain...



                Pixies                          Throwing Muses
        Frank Black - Kim Deal          Tonya           -       Kristen
            |               |           |                         |
        Frank Black           breeders                  more Throwing Muses
            |                   |                                 |
        stagnation              |                               stagnation
                                |
                                        Tanya leaves
                Kelly Deal joins        forms Belly
                        |                       \
                more Breeders                    \
                        |                       lots of pleaasing things
        Kelly goes to jail for heroin                   result via belly

                                |
                                |
                        Kim forms the Amps
                                (but continues doing heroin)

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:37:54 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA to appear in Chicago


>I'm asking $7 for each tape ($2 for the tape -- a TDK HIGH-BIAS SA100 --- not
>a cheapo Memorex, $1.50 mailing, $2 for Warren (I wouldn't jilt him, he
>deserves it, besides he's a friend - and it makes all this legal!, $1.50 for
>taking and hour-and-a-half to dub the tape and printing of cover for the tape
>(nothing special mind you, but still it's better than the one you get with a
>tape!)
>
>Or if you choose, you can send your own tape and $5... all I ask is that the
>tape you send is at least a 100min tape (50min each side) as some of the
>bands performances run 45-47 minutes long.

Are you willing to trade for these tapes?  I have quite a bit of
listie-type live stuff, some of which I've recorded myself on professional
equipment.

By the same token, I do not have $20 to spend on tapes.  So if you are
interested in trading, just let me know and I will send you my list.


. e-mail: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu


Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:01:39 -0600
From: Space Ghost Poncherello (jrcampbe@MAIL.PITTSTATE.EDU)
Subject: Re: The whole pixies / breeders / belly strain...


OK I think I can help

In the beginning, there were the Pixies with (of course) Black Francis,
Kim Deal, Joey Santiago, and David Lovering.  There were also the
Throwing Muses with David Narcizo, Kristen Hersh, and Tanya Donnely.  It
was so for many moons.  Kim Deal strated a band on the side (Breeders)
with (amongst others) Tanya Donnely.  The Pixies broke up in 1991 (the
end of my world :)) and fragmented; the Breeders became the former Mrs. John
Murphy's full time side project (along with Kelly Deal); Black Francis
became Frank Black (Joey Santiago plays guitars on his albums) and David
Lovering now plays drums for Cracker.  Tanya Donnely quit the Breeders
and Throwing Muses and started Belly.  The Breeders put out 2 albums and
an EP before The Amps came to be (Kim Deal's side project band branching
off of the side project band branching off of the full-time Pixies). I
just heard about Solid State a couple of days ago, but that's Kelly
Deal's band.  In other News, Throwing Muses are officially onlt Kristen
Hersh and David Narcizo, but Kristen Hersh has put out a fantastic solo
album, and a new one is in the works.

Am I pretty close?

Any mistakes are due to my not being omniscient.  Sorry.

James Campbell
jrcampbe@mail.pittstate.edu
1902 S. Broadway #12, Pittsburg, KS 66762
(316) 235-1602 --> Jim's Moose Outlet Hotline
(316) 235-4801 --> SAC Office (Office Hours MWF 3-4pm)

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:45:13 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: season clearance - sarah 7"s


You wrote:
>
>It's Australia Day long week-end  this week-end (happy australia day!)
&
>we're going camping so I'll sort out this auction biz next week....
>there has been some very high bids - especially for MBV - SSS ($40!)
>for all those who are waiting - sorry - this aint easy!
>dave.
>
>
>Ok, here's a few Sarah records that my girlfriend, Charm would like to
>sell...send offers (in $US) to my address...season@werple.net.au

>
>EAST RIVER PIPE AXL OR IGGY     HELL GATE       7"
>EAST RIVER PIPE FIRING ROOM     HELL GATE       7"
>EAST RIVER PIPE HELMET ON       SARAH75 7"

Give your $30.00 for all three, plus postage.
Euthelene  Uthelene@ix.net.com

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:15:23 -0600
From: "M. Wade Chamberlainn" (chamberlainw@YVAX.BYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush's Shining Road


I have a prerelease copy of the whole Lovelife album, I'll put a review
on the list this week. (Also watch RAD Cyberzine
It's really not nearly as bad as everyone wants
to make it out to be.  It's produced by Pete Bartlett (anybody heard of
him) and he had a large impact on their sound it seems.  The vocals are
at the front of the mix, you can understand almost every word Miki says.
The album is called Lovelife, but it's more about being fed up with one's
crap lovelife.  If this is what theirs is like, I'll stick with mine.
The theme that pops up in every song is "Men Suck."  Rob Moore quotes
miki in the accompanying press release:  "Most of the songs are about
telling blokes to f--k off."

It has a harder, rougher sound than anything else they've done.  the
second track, Heavenly Nobodies, sounds like west coast punk.  there's
also a rerecording of the Childcatcher with vocals you can sing along to.

It's different, but its damn good.


PS.  RAD will also feature an Elysium interview soon (maybe today).

PEACE

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:56:49 -0500
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush prediction


okay, so i've heard the new album...my conclusion is that it's nice,
good, it's still got the beautiful lush chord changes for which i fell in
love with them, but it's nothing comparable to old lush.

it's just different.  they've been progressing gradually- this isn't a
new thing...

*ladykillers-  good track, got that poppy punk rebel feel
*heavenly nobodies- awesome, also poppy with catchy chords
*500- lyrics don't seem too cool, but tune is catchy
*i've been here before- nice and pretty, with surprising horns at the end
which actually go nicely
*papasan- beautiful beautiful simple song with simple guitar arpeggios
*single girl- i love it, very catchy
*ciao!- catchy, but just not lush...took me a while on this one
*tra la la- alright, acousticky i believe
*last night- "the split song", kinda long and orchestrated sounds like
*runaway- catchy, but not as good as the other poppy songs on the album
*childcatcher- the select tape version is better i think
*olympia- i like this song, i don't know about others.  it's got those
horns again

i like the singles alright..."tinkerbell" is so much better on volume
though, so beautiful.  "cul de sac" is just beauty, it's awesome.  the
acoustic ones remind me of "girl's world" and are alright...does anyone
know who wrote "demystification" coz i dont...

and has anyone seen the video for single girl?


i saw lush play on the 10th in weybridge england and they were really
good.  some of the songs that i didn't like on the album sounded really
cool live, so i wonder if the mixing has anything to do with dissatisfaction.
they did lots of oldies which is good.

..........................my words for now
                        lushy lorelei

Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 01:33:39 -0600
From: The Grand Kumquat (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Pixies Video's


Does anyone of any copy's of Pixies Video's the'd be willing to sell or
copy for me? I've got 21 of there audio releases, and I'm starting to feel
my video collection is lagging a bit behind (I don't have any!) so let me
know, I'm willing to trade audio dubs for video ones. Whatever's cool with
you is cool with me (except I'm nearly comletely broke, so trading is
best.)

Mike, the latest Giant Sand Devotee...

[F{ND}!]

Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:55:29 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Stereolab session


In Message Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:35:36 -0800,
  Andy the Panda  writes:

>> Stereolab session
>>
>> mattn@MIT.EDU
>> Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:02:50 EST
>>
>> There's a CD out of this.
>
>our survey says: ki-ker. wrong. there's a cd out of the first peel session
>but not any of the later ones. the newest (the third?) was only broadcast
>last weekend, feb the 24th.

no, there's a too pure peel sessions disc with two sessions by stereolab on
it.  there are some other bands on it, too, but i forget which ones they
are.  both of them appear on one cd (maybe it was only released in the us?)

BiZ

Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:32:30 -0500
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: French mag w/avam cd


I emailed a friend of mine to pick up the french magazine with the red
cardboard cover copy of avam.  Couldn't find it.  Could someone please
send more details, or this some sneaky rumor (aaaahahhhh!).

Alex

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:15:29 +0100
From: Fredrik Pettersson (gy93frpe@TIMRA.SE)
Subject: Bob Hund rules!


Have you ever heard the swedish popgroup Bob Hund?
They are THE greatest!


Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:55:38 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: E.S.P. "Continent" / Time Stereo question


>On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group wrote:
>
>> I received the E.S.P. "Continent" CD from Karina Square in the mail last week

>
>> thinking about buying one, do it now. (It took alomost a month to receive the
>> CD from the time I mailed the order).
>
>I forgot to mention - I got mine about a week ago.  It only took about...
>2 weeks from the time I sent the M.O. to the time the disc arrived.
>Perfect timing, in fact - keep me company after a bunch of my friends
>moved back to Japan... (oh, boo hoo!) but you don't need to hear about
>that.  By all means, snag it if you can.  The International Money Order
>('foreign draft [somethingorother]'?) I sent cost me an extra $10 in
>fees, so it might be best to go with cash after all, if you can hide
>it...  I hope to snag the Perd. Plastics version too...

apparently you all missed this when i posted it a week ago.  you can
mailorder them from the record collector.  they have a few copies now.  it
cost me $22 and took four days.  telephone is 810-473-8350.  i used a
mastercard, but i think they take other things.  my case was smashed to
hell, too.  and i didn't get the nifty picture w/warren, ian, and the gun
(i've seen it, though, and it's pretty funny.)

>Now here's the big question - does anyone have current info on all the
>available Time Stereo releases?  I made an order about 2 months ago or
>so, and I know they had a number of new things in the works... I'm about
>ready to order some more, and I want to take care of as much as possible
>at once if I can.
>

do you have the list with the t-shirt, alice cooper tribute, etc?  that's
the latest one i got, and i just got a package in the mail the other day.
i'd just call them and ask, if i were you.  they're super nice.

BiZ


Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 05:00:15 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Bob Hund rules!


On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Fredrik Pettersson wrote:

> Have you ever heard the swedish popgroup Bob Hund?

No, but have you seen Mike Hunt?

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, that was just wide open!

OH NO I DID IT AGAIN!! AAAAH!

Martin


Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:20:23 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Honeytongue and Pooka


John B Jones wrote:

>I picked up the Honeytongue CD called Nude Nudes over the weekend and I
>LOVE IT!  This is really good stuff.

>Honeytongue, for those that don't know, is Josephine Wigg's band.
>Josephine is (was?) bass player for Breeders.  Jon Mattuck, who played
>drums on Pod, also plays drums on this Honeytongue Cd.  Great drum sounds!!

>What I want to know is:  Are there more releases than Nude Nudes?  Nude
>Nudes is only about 30min long---TOO SHORT!  If someone could provide a
>discography or point me to one, I would appreciate it.

>Also, I am searching for shows by a band called POOKA.  Anyone that caught
>Kristin Hersh's solo tour in 1994 might remember them, they were the
>opening act on most dates.  2 girls playing acoustic guitars, but
>definitely not anything like Indigo Girls :).  But I wouldn't call them
>this-listie either....well, maybe.  Anyway, if you have shows of Pooka, or
>interviews, or info (are they recording a new album???) or if you know
>where I can pick up the Graham Robert Wood CD ep, please contact me.  I
>have a few shows to trade, one of which I taped myself.

Nude Nudes (on Playtime) is the only Honeytongue release. The producer and
engineer, Audu Abaje, was a friend of mine back in the late 80s when he used to
put on hardcore shows on here in Manchester. (First saw NoMeansNo at one of his
shows) But I digress.

As far as I know, Pooka's '94 self-titled LP is their only one to date. No idea
as to what they're up to now.

Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 04:23:42 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Ear/Rational reliability


I second all this stuff.

On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, .mark. wrote:

> i think many on this list will attest to ear's reliability.  my favorite
> ordering service for sure.  maybe not as fast as some of the other
> internet services, but worth it for the prices...

It used to be that now and then Dave would get a little busy and not
answer as soon as you might like, but he seems to have a very efficient
system now and is very quick. I've never had any problem with him but a
time delay, though, and this was in the distant past. Basically, you send
you check and the stuff is on your doorstep in seconds.

> i can personnally attest to ear's reliability as well.  you see, i live
> in the same town as dave (the owner and sole employee of ear), and i've
> met him a few times...a really nice guy.

Yes, and his prices are lower than most, you can count on him getting
rare shit when it comes out *and* for the most part telling you when it's
going to come out. Pre-orders are automated, he carries just about
everything--weird imports, the whole World Serpent thing, he has a
subscription service for Fax releases and actively seeks out rare Fax for
his customers, catalog always lists all the recent Heavenly Voices type
crap and stupid US indie garbage and whatever. Not a great source for
obscure idm but neither is anyone else.

Anyway, I add my recommendation.



 einexile


ps - just saw muppets treasure island and it SUCKED!!! :(


Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 04:12:07 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: harold budd (plus some eno)


On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, monica wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone on here likes harold budd....I have a few of his
> things, like Moon and the Melodies and Glyph (with Hector Zazou).  But I am
> interested in possibly picking up some of his other stuff.  I am looking
> for any info or comments that you may have, before I rush off and buy
> something....thanks!

Depends on which of those records you can stand; personally I can't see
any merit in Glyph whatsoever, so if YMMV you may want to reverse this
entire message and take the exact opposite of my advice. :)

Anyway, as I said, Glyph eats it, and you will also want to avoid
anything the man has released in the last few years: Through the Hill
(with Andy Partridge! bahahaha!!), Aqua which is kind of this stupid
"live" record he did. Harold Budd is kind of the Moby of the Eno camp; he
plays a tape and bangs on the piano with one finger.

It may sound like I don't like him; really, I am just mad at him for his
recent showing. She Is a Phantom, from a couple of years back, is very
good if weird and a little depressing. It is entirely acoustic and
performed by a small subbacultcha sort of ensemble. Very haunting stuff
and totally unlike his other work.

Well, except for some of By the Dawn's Early Light. There is some
similarity, but while Phantom has the claustrophobic atmosphere of a
party with too many people, Early Light has a sort of outdoor country
feel, ringing with history. Guitar and lots of viola; beautiful, but
repetitive--and, like Phantom and later works, it is full of his poetry.
Now, I kind of like the poems; they work on this and on Phantom while
they are very irritating on Glyph, largely because of the reading, I
think. That track where he starts shouting...and Through the Hill is just
a completely worthless album so no comment there. Point being if you
don't mind the poetry readings Early Light is a good use of them, and in
Phantom they are essential.

Before these, there was no poetry, and Budd was a better composer. The
Moon and the Melodies comes from the same period as Lovely Thunder, which
is his best album, and in fact Memory Gongs minus the guitar noise is on
there as a Budd-only composition, and is indicative of the rest of the
album. (Although most of it is more downbeat and slow. And better, if you
can believe that.)

The White Arcades, which came between Lovely Thunder and Early Light, is
arguably better than Thunder but for a few tracks which can be
irritating. Sometimes not, though, and sometimes it is my favorite Budd
work. It is colder and bleaker than Thunder, which is indeed quite cold
and quite bleak (although neither is minimalist, really; both are very
lush and full). It is very peaceful and nice sleep music, and not as
plodding as Thunder can occasionally strike me.

Going back to the early days, there is a self titled album which is out
of print and if you find a copy I will trade you the left side of my
brain for it. Then comes The Pavilion of Dreams, circa 1978, which is
acoustic and has harps and vibraphones and whatnot and lots of seventh
chords and has a syrupy feel. I can't listen to it, but I haven't got a
problem with it. 1981 saw The Serpent (In Quicksilver) which is very
short and very, very depressing. It combines elements present on Early
Light with the minimalist feel of his early work. It is as depressing as
anything Eno ever did in he late seventies. Music for Airports? Music for
Films? Forget it; this one is much worse. It's a great record, though.
Usually, because it is so short, it is included on one disc with his 1984
album Abandoned Cities. This contains two long drone pieces. One builds
up with drama and the other glides along at about the same level, but
both, which very minimal, develop nicely and have a lot to say and are
lovely music for sleeping or driving. (If you are the sort of person who
can drive to the same music you sleep to without falling asleep at the
wheel.) Another note here: I am in the market for a copy of either album
ALONE on a cd, not bundled with the other, and will trade the bundled
version for them if anyone sees them for sale.

On that note, there is also a track with Eugene Bowen on a comp called
Cold Blue, from 1986. I have never heard this and am looking for it. The
same goes for Music for Films III. What I have heard are two songs off
the Sub Rosa 1987 comp, and imho they are not worth buying the CD for.
They are some of his least interesting pieces.

This leaves the two collaborations with Brian Eno, which I think are some
of his best work. The first was Ambient 2: The Plateaux of Mirror. This
is heavy on the piano but has a lot of atmosphere courtesy of Eno.
However, it is very light and airy, and may strike you as syrupy. I
reacted to it in that way for a long time, then came to appreciate it once
I noticed that it is actually very sinister despite this element.

The second of these collaborations was The Pearl, which I sometimes
consider Budd's best album overall. It is absolutely heart wrenchingly
gorgeous; while it is basically in the same style as Plateaux, it is more
full, heavier with atmospherics, and MUCH darker. And in its second half
it becomes darker still. Add to this the fact that it is very melodic and
you have an album that is as beautiful as Sleeps with the Fishes or
anything of that caliber. I recommend buying this first if you are going
to make a blind purchase. This or Lovely Thunder.

While I am at it, I have to plug Brian Eno's album The Shutov Assembly,
of which I just got a cassette for $3 :) and with which I am now madly in
love. It is however a little difficult. I was going to say The Pearl is
the best album released in 1984, but this wouldn't be true. Eno's solo
work Ambient 4: On Land is better than anything we are discussing here,
if perhaps a little difficult to get into.

I forgot to mention Budd did an album called Music for Three Pianos with
a couple other people whose names escape me. It is fairly minimal (and
could probably actually be played on one piano) but is quite good for him
in that period (1992 or thereabouts) and has no poetry or any of that. I
enjoy it, but it's not a great piece of work or anything.

So let me make you and the rest of these heathens a shopping list...

1. The Pearl
2. Lovely Thunder
3. Sleeps with the Fishes
4. On Land
5. The White Arcades
6. Music for Films
7. Hybrid

Hybrid is the first Michael Brook album, which I have recently
rediscovered and decided is wonderful, unlike the man's silly alternarokk
album for 4AD. Totally different, very ambient, very pretty.

I hope this is some help to you.


 e

Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:07:32 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: ESP CONTINENT SLEEVE


somebody recently posted a www URL where one could view the sleeve for
the ESP Continent cd.  i kinda accidentally deleted the message, and
would appreciate a repost if possible (sorry, and thanks)

also, on an unrelated note, does anybody know what if any album eno
recorded the song 'third uncle' on?  or was it written 'for' bauhaus?

much grass
dan

Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 04:56:23 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: brook/thethe/swans/eno&wobble/c93


Excuse the jumble. There's even a lil Autechre blab in here.

Just picked up the soundtrack to Captive, circa 1986, which is by The
Edge and is not so hot really, but which features a nice little song by
Michael Brook, called Djinn. (Hey, isn't that a monster from Final
Fantasy 2?) It's short and not very eventful, but it's pretty and it's
like having an extra three minutes of Hybrid and the disc was $6 and The
Edge's stuff is ok so what the hell. :) Anyone know though why in the
actual movie credits listed in the insert (as opposed the album notes) he
is listed as Michael Berkeley? What is that all about? Hybrid came out a
year before, so it can't be that he changed his name. Or something?

What's up with Gun Sluts? I need a Matt Johnson fix. I was recently
struck by how pretty Jealous of Youth is and, not very acquainted at the
time with Solitude, was going nuts over where I had heard it before. Not
on Shades of Blue, which I've never seen. Has it appeared in another
form? For that matter, is any of Shades of Blue not included on Solitude?
Can someone post me a discography for The The of the last few years? I am
curious to know what of interest is on the videos, the bootleg that comes
with Dusk now that all the dedicated fans already BOUGHT the fucking
thing, and the b-sides to singles from that album as well as
Dis-infected. Help? Better yet, someone make me a tape. :)

Anyone notive that Jealous of Youth sounds a whole hell of a lot like the
Fetus song A Prayer for My Death?

DUH. You know what I went and left off my ol best-of-95 list? Michael
Gira's album Drainland. I don't know how I managed to do this but I am
very ashamed of myself for it. Getting back into it, I see it as a total
recovery from the mess we've seen since White Light from the Mouth of
Infinity. Although often ugly and violent, the album flows and is
beautiful. It glows all full of epiphany and redemption; the first song
is heartbreaking, the journey through the album is as tough as the
experiences that seem to have inspired it can hope to come across in
music, and the last track, Blind, is one of the best songs of last year
and perhaps the best song Gira has written, at least since White Light.
The whole thing is a hell of an album and I am still figuring out just
what I think of it, but it strikes me as a piece of introspection and an
almost cruel spiritual purge on the level of Pygmalion or Home Is in Your
Head. All that and it's got that epic quality of the best solo Gira work.
Big, big applause for this one, and on my list, if anyone didn't toss it
out, please stick it somewhere up in amongst Locust, the Aphex Twin, and
Lisa Gerrard. If not higher.

In other news, the recent Autechre album is not entirely as bad as I once
said it is, but it's not great either and this is not an apology. The ep
which preceded it, however--Anvil Vapre--I put this on the other day and
had to ask myself what in the name of God it was I saw in the thing. The
first song is great, but the rest is like huhhh? Maybe not. I dunno.

Got me a copy of Locust's album Weathered Well and am getting used to it.
It is NOT however as good or as disturbing or as sexy as Truth Is Born in
Arguments. Which is a god thing; it means he's getting better.

I don't know if I mentioned the Eno/Wobble album, but I picked this up
too and it is superb. Have I posted a review of this? My mind is all a
muddle.

The new Current 93 album is out! The new Current 93 album is out! I will
forward a review over from the WSD list if anyone would like to see
what's being said about it; it is supposedly much in the vein of Thunder
Perfect Mind and the Nature and Organisation album. Yay! :) Anyway, I
can't find it. If someone would be kind enough to pick this up for me, I
would really appreciate it and owe you a big favor.


Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 05:48:28 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: What's up with this?

          iffy dance music 

Sorry about the massive crosspost but I've seen or heard nothing about
this. maybe just cuz I delete all my mail. :) Has anyone heard it? have
Seefeel broken up?? What the fuck is going on???

This is from the new Soleilmoon catalog.

> AUROBINDO: INVOLUTION compact disc-Mark Van Hoen (Locust) and Darren Seymour
> (Seefeel).  $14.99
> AUROBINDO: INVOLUTION LP-Mark Van Hoen (Locust) and Darren Seymour (Seefeel).
> Spiritual energy through sound. $10.99

Also, can someone tell me the difference between these?

> SCANNER 1 compact disc-Sounds a bit like a cross between The Hafler Trio and
> a telephone wire-tap. $12.99
> SCANNER 2 compact disc-More pirated telephone calls and secret conversations.
> $12.99
> SCANNER Mass Observation compact disc $14.99

And the blurb for the new C93 album, since I mentioned it to 4ad-l.

> NEW! CURRENT 93 All the Pretty Little Horses compact disc-The first album
> since 1994's "Of Rune". This is part two of "The Inmost Light" trilogy.
> "Where the Long Shaldows Fall" was part 1. $16.99

Thanks./Bye.



 elixenie


Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:07:34 -0500
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP CONTINENT SLEEVE


>
> also, on an unrelated note, does anybody know what if any album eno
> recorded the song 'third uncle' on?  or was it written 'for' bauhaus?
>
> much grass
> dan
>

I'm almost positive it's on the "Here Come the Warm Jets" album. It is
definitely on an album from the early 70s.


Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 16:09:07 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: What's up with this?

              meek" at Feb 29, 96 05:48:28 am

einexile the meek  wrote:
>
> Sorry about the massive crosspost but I've seen or heard nothing about
> this. maybe just cuz I delete all my mail. :) Has anyone heard it? have
> Seefeel broken up?? What the fuck is going on???
>
> This is from the new Soleilmoon catalog.
>
> > AUROBINDO: INVOLUTION compact disc-Mark Van Hoen (Locust) and Darren Seymour
> > (Seefeel).  $14.99

I think he actually spells it "Daren" for some reason.  This is an
album of sonic experiments, a bit like the less tuneful bits of
Labradford's "Prazision" - lots of rumbling, droning, crackling.  One
track consists of someone talking about some sort of sonic test, the
sample getting gradually more and more distorted until it's little more
than a fuzzy rumble.  This is quite an old album, possibly pre-dating
"Succour", though I can't quite remember - I saw something recently
that suggested that a second one was coming soon, but Ash International
have rotten distribution.  There's an Ash sampler out which has various
things on it including Aurobindo, Scanner, the Hafler Trio - but it's
all one track so you can't tell which is which, and to be honest most
of it sounds the same - which is not necessarily criticism of the
sound, but there's very little difference between one "rumbling with
spoken word sample" track and the next.  If you are into this sort of
thing, Main's "Hertz" singles compilation is absolutely bloody
essential - it's two hours of what is probably best described as
ambient guitar soundscapes - no tinkling melodic stuff, very strange
and dark-sounding.

>
> Also, can someone tell me the difference between these?
>
> > SCANNER 1 compact disc-Sounds a bit like a cross between The Hafler Trio and
> > a telephone wire-tap. $12.99
> > SCANNER 2 compact disc-More pirated telephone calls and secret conversations

> > $12.99
> > SCANNER Mass Observation compact disc $14.99

>From what I hear, Scanner 1 and 2 were more based on the telephone
piracy, with the music being a minimal drone.  I bought the "Mass
Observation" single recently and was appalled - no telephone samples,
and the music is dire disco.  Ugh.  "MO" is the track that caused all
the fuss with Bjork, of course.  Some people rave about the album, but I
have never heard anything by Scanner which I liked.  Perhaps I'm
allergic to the sound of cockneys talking about their sex lives.
There's supposed to be a remix of MO by Robert Hampson (Main), Jim
O'Rourke and others, which would be interesting to hear, but the single
is one of the most unimaginative things I have ever heard.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 29/02/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Pulp - Intro


Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 19:13:05 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: poll


        I was unsubscribed during last weekend, since it was a 4-day
weekend for me and I was away from net access, and I'm assuming that the
poll results (the ones for which the cutoff date was February 14) were
posted then. If anyone saved theirs, could you please forward it to me?
Thanks.

                          =>} End CD tyranny. {<=

Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 17:26:50 -0500
From: Guernica@AOL.COM
Subject: auction of long ago..


my apologies to all who have been waiting for the results to this.  work has
been keeping me busy with overtime... you know, the usual.

3 weeks into this (???) and I have the following *reasonable* (sorry, I'm not
accepting bids of $2 for the LIAE thingie, so don't waste yours or my time
please) high bids (with first part of e-mail names so you know if you're the
high bid and at the same time not divulging your entire e-address to unwanted

Red House Painters - "Shock Me" e.p.
    $10-JHH8513
Various - "All Virgo's Are Mad" Still Sealed (2 available)
    --no bids-- (min bin $14 please)
Insides - "Clearskin" 1 sealed, 1 mint (i.e. brand new, without the shrink
wrap)
    $12-JHH8513
Swallow - "Blow" still sealed
   $8-brettg
blacktapeforabluegirl - "this lush garden within" small case crack, otherwise
mint as well
   $9-bgmutz
TMC - "Come here my love" 10" - rare
    --no bids-- (this thing is currently for sale at Play It Again in Royal
Oak, MI for $75 in slightly worse condition for $75.  in light of this, i'd
like to see at least a minimum bid of $60)
hisnameisalive - "In Every Ford" 4AD(US) 5-track promo...jewel case is
cracked
    --no bids--  (min bid $12)  no takers on this one???  how odd...
Swallow - "Blowback" mint-
    $20-JHH8513
Various - "...think I'm Getting the hang of it"  mint+
    --no bids--  (i know this WAS a freebie in CA,  but someone on this list
must be still looking for this)
Various - "Mai Pen Rai" mint+
    $40-pepegtc

Lonely Is An Eyesore  deluxe gatefold edition (12")this thing is absolutely
beautiful and mint

    --still no bids-- !!!!!!!  (this too is for sale at Play It Again in
Royal Oak, MI --- only for $95... min asking is $80)


please remember to include postage in your offers... thanks!

-guernica@aol.com

>>>p.s. for the conveinience of those who read their e-mail once a week, i'll
run this >>>auction thingie until the end of the month.

ok, so i lied.  well since I've fallen behind, I've decided to give it an
extra 2 weeks

nothing like raising a little $ for that "rimy river" ltd. ed that's on it's
way...  woo hoo!!!

Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 17:59:39 -0500
From: jason (jjvenkit@SCIBORG.UWATERLOO.CA)
Subject: new projekt site


not to drag up the 'does or does
not projekt suck' thread,
the new lovesliescrushing album
'xuvetyn' should be out in march.
apparantly sam@projekt.com had
his computer crash and so lost
the scans of the llc artwork...
so this set things back bit.

also, they've moved off the nwu.edu
domain and into:


jason.

        lovesliescrushing
        gnihsurcseilsevol


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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:54:11 -0500
From: Rastko Kovacevic (rkovacev@ABACUS.BATES.EDU)
Subject: about thethe


einexile wanted to know what was up with new the the album. here's the
info i got on the the mailing list:

> POSTED ON THETHEXXX@AOL.COM
> Date:  96-02-24 14:54:48 EST
> From:  THETHEXXX
>
> The album will be realeased in January '97.
> The title may or may not be 'Gun Sluts'.
> The band invested heavily in lots of new technology last year and had major,
> MAJOR  teething problems and lost many, many months of valuable time.
> A lot of the material is keepable and useable but they decided to change
> direction and are back in the studio in New York working on new material.
> The band thank everyone for continued support and look forward to seeing
> y'all on the road somewhere out in the vast darkness in '97.
>


--
"We are punished for our refusals. Every impulse that we strive to
strangle broods in the mind, and poisons us. The body sins once, and has
done with its sin, for action is a mode of purification. Nothing remains
then but the recollection of a pleasure, or the luxury of a regret. The
only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. Resist it, and your
soul grows sick with longing for the things it has forbidden to itself,
with desire for what its monstrous laws have made monstrous and unlawful."
                                --Oscar Wilde, "The Picture of Dorian Gray"

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:06:04 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: UVS


>   ...it starts with a J and ends with an N...

Don't you mean it starts with a "j" and ends with an "N".  ;)


Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 21:48:39 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: MINTY : Very slow response here... Sorry if it's already been

              answered.

Emiel asked:

>Three elephants and a guy with some
>kind of cap round his neck (like the one they like to put on sick cats and
>gogs) and with a dammaged (burned) vinyl record in his hand. And ofcourse
>some typography and a logo. Who is this man? Is it Minty?

Yeah that's Minty. He was wearing that disgusting brown suit at the opening
too. He seems like a really decent sort of bloke - but was exceedingly
pissed when I spoke to him later on. He said Vaughan calls him Minty and
his girlfriend calls him Moo - he doesn't like his real name. He's a book
jacket designer in London somewhere.

Andie


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