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Subject: Re: Red Hot: Offbeat Concert and event 2/2/96 in NYC
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:19:08 -0500
From: JonAbbey@AOL.COM
Subject: RareX
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:47:44 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: my three cents
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:05:18 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA and Livonia
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:41:35 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: seeking aid
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:48:01 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Liz Fraser is dead
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:12:07 GMT
From: Peter Wang (Peter_Wang@gensler.com)
Subject: Bel Canto
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:55:31 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:24:37 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Personal for Melissa Lim
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:42:49 EST
From: Ricardo Montalban (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU)
Subject: URL noveau pour Crepuscule!
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:56:33 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: Liz Fraser Is Dead
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:20:00 -0300
From: Walter Reznik (wreznik@COLSCH.EDU.AR)
Subject: To Englands
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:11:00 -0300
From: Walter Reznik (wreznik@COLSCH.EDU.AR)
Subject: v23 show
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:03:44 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: FS: Cocteaus, Lisa G., Pale Saints, Belly
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:01:05 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: I'm sorry but.....
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:56:15 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: "Scene but not herd"
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:45:43 EST
From: Tom Homulka (Thomas_Homulka.WORLDGROUP@NOTES.COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: FS: Cocteaus, Lisa G., Pale Saints, Belly
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:47:45 -0800
From: "K. Bruner" (napalm@UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ct Is Dead
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:11:00 -0300
From: Walter Reznik (wreznik@COLSCH.EDU.AR)
Subject: Re: Ct
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:11:00 -0300
From: Walter Reznik (wreznik@COLSCH.EDU.AR)
Subject: Re: the doom generation
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:50:09 -0500
From: Jon H Wichmann (jhwst9+@PITT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lilliput Sale!
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 02:33:07 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: chapeterhouse (non 4ad)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:59:28 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lilliput Sale (Price going up...)!
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:31:39 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: Lilliput Sale (Price going up...)!
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:01:45 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Earwig
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:18:18 -0600
From: Jason Hull (jhh8513@TAM2000.TAMU.EDU)
Subject: CT
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:07:23 GMT
From: Peter Wang (Peter_Wang@gensler.com)
Subject: Re: "Scene but not herd"
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:05:31 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Heidi Berry-love Re: layne
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:53:41 -0800
From: "Jonathan Smith, JDHS, Juneau, AK" (smithj@JSD.K12.AK.US)
Subject: King of Sweet
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:24:21 -0600
From: Salome (lnvoigt@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name is Alive, ugh.
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:57:09 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Red Hot: Offbeat 2/2/96-NYC
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:32:31 -0500
From: AWerks2@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Tarnation (was: Re: musings on slowdive lyrics)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:31:49 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Do not send sale responses to the list!
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:53:32 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: scene, but not herd
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:39:02 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Tarnation (was: Re: musings on slowdive lyrics)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:01:58 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: "Scene but not herd"
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 20:09:49 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins 'Otherness'
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 15:34:45 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: HNIA bashing
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 08:49:27 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: new mbv
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:55:17 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:28:28 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Mojave Whathaveya (sarah chords)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:51:06 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: "Scene but not herd"/Glide concert
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:38:37 -0500
From: "Rufus T. Firefly" (mwelker@BGNET.BGSU.EDU)
Subject: RHP- & HNIA-bashing
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:16:12 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: chapeterhouse (non 4ad)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 19:41:19 EST
From: Lawren Wu (lwu@WI.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP nominated for award
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:23:31 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Axiom of Choice
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:48:10 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Earwig
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:18:19 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: season clearance - general - update...
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:55:46 +1100
From: Season (season@WERPLE.NET.AU)
Subject: unrelative to 4ad
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:06:26 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: long shot (other mailing list talk)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:33:38 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Heidi Berry
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:33:28 -0800
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: His Name is Alive, ugh.
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:43:13 -0600
From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Re: the doom generation
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:21:13 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: cocteau twins (for the foothill hs guy only)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:39:39 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: my three cents
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:48:39 -0500
From: Sargent David Edward (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: CT
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:00:43 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: The Charlatans Digest Mailing List
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 02:30:43 +0100
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: Re: RHP- & HNIA-bashing
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:04:39 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Bedazzled and Johanna's House of Glamour
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 11:50:52 -0500
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP- & HNIA-bashing
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:01:11 -0500
From: anaconda (anaconda@wwa.com)
Subject: Cocteau Twins 'Otherness'
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:39:29 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: chapeterhouse (non 4ad)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 06:25:10 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: ESP-Continent Worldwide Mail Order!
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:34:57 +0100
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" (lapierre@MICRONET.FR)
Subject: Defever-fest Tapes (hisnameisaLIVE tapes)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:40:53 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:17:26 +0000
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Red Hot: Offbeat 2/2/96-NYC
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 21:51:16 -0500
From: GREGG AGINS (clockone@PIPELINE.COM)
Subject: Re: Earwig
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 20:29:11 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:31:14 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Axiom of Choice
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:35:56 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: WTB: Livonia and Home Is In Your Head
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:11:03 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Lilliput
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 17:01:58 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: chapeterhouse (non 4ad)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 19:39:19 -0500
From: DJ Guile (guile@DHP.COM)
Subject: Re: "Scene but not herd"
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:06:48 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: RHP nominated for award
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:42:47 +0000
From: HOA NGO (hhngo@sfsu.edu)
Subject: Re: LUSH and volkswagons
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 23:35:57 -0500
From: Kelly Kristin Leigh (kkelly@UCET.UFL.EDU)
Subject: Whereforartthou 4ad-l 1995 poll
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 23:13:05 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Tarnation UK/Euro tour
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 01:06:38 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: LUSH and volkswagons
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:10:34 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Kelley Deal info
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 02:03:42 -0500
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: TMC backwards
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:43:30 CET
From: "Gaveston, Gaveston, I'm hooked on you" (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.EDU.PL)
Subject: Re: "Hey Hey Hey I've got it! Warren DeFEVER!!!!!!"
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 06:55:12 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: LUSH and volkswagons
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 07:01:12 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: questionaire?
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 96 23:44:30 EST
From: klaatu (klaatu@nando.net)
Subject: Re: adventures in nowhere
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 07:23:48 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Ivy/VW ad
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 07:06:22 -0500
From: "oren, mefus a chedno" (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: LUSH and Folksvagens
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:46:58 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Sweet FA
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:51:07 +0000
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Sweet FA
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 03:12:36 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: TMC backwards
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 05:34:27 -0800
From: Paul (pauld@BEST.COM)
Subject: LUSH and volkswagons
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:39:15 EST
From: "Matthew A. Neimark" (mattn@MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: L-ove's U-nderstated S-ecret H-andshake
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:12:48 +0000
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Cocteau Twins EP cheap(er)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:36:02 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: "Hey Hey Hey I've got it! Warren DeFEVER!!!!!!"
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:41:41 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: yeah, that 7" from defevery people...
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:06:01 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: yeah, that 7" from defevery people...
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:08:53 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: ESP Summer CD-ROM
Date: 25 Feb 96 14:01:56 EST
From: spoonfed maximus (101526.2274@compuserve.com)
Subject: Re: LUSH and volkswagons
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:23:57 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: LUSH and volkswagons
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:47:00 -0500
From: Jennifer Jamieson (Rmitchel5@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: IRC efnet #4AD
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:27:35 -0500
From: the Trelesta Guardian (winter.solstice@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: 13th Year Itch Video, HNIA and Bros. Quay
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:47:16 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: ESP Summer CD-ROM (fwd)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:12:52 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: the new rachel's
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:08:57 -0600
From: drew rosielle (rosielle@MARLEY.BITSTREAM.NET)
Subject: dreamy songs
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:57:18 -0600
From: monochrome (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: (Non-4AD, UK) Stereolab session
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:52:28 +0000
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Almost a RHP query: hannah marcus
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:09:02 -0600
From: drew rosielle (rosielle@MARLEY.BITSTREAM.NET)
Subject: searching for apartments cd
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 21:08:43 -0500
From: Sargent David Edward (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Whereforartthou 4ad-l 1995 poll
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 21:21:04 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: harold budd
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 20:37:40 -0600
From: monica (mmsather@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Giant Sand
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:46:01 -0700
From: Matt Owen (mowen@CAPTAIN.SC.WHECN.EDU)
Subject: Kelley Deal + Kris Kristofferson
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:48:35 -0700
From: Matt Owen (mowen@CAPTAIN.SC.WHECN.EDU)
Subject: Ear/Rational reliability
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 21:52:39 -0600
From: monochrome (zelzah@SAT.NET)

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:19:08 -0500
From: JonAbbey@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Red Hot: Offbeat Concert and event 2/2/96 in NYC

          NE-RAVES@world.std.com, ambient@hyperreal.com

>Looks like DJ Krush, DJ Spooky, Skylab will be preforming along
>with Moby, David Byrne, Laika, Meat Beat Manifesto, Tortise, >EBN,MY BLOODY
VALENTINE?????, etc etc! It's a long show - from >8:30pm

Before everyone gets too excited, if you look a little closer at the ad, it
says something like "DJ Krush, DJ Spooky, Skylab along with special
performers from some Red Hot album which includes performances by" and then
lists all those other acts. I was fooled at first too but it still promises
to be a great show. Somewhat deceptive advertising though.

Jon

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:47:44 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: RareX


I was just wondering if anyone knew the availability of or how to get ahold
of the RareOne, RareTwo, etc. tapes.  There seem to be quite a few 4AD odds
& ends on them, and I was interested in tracking them down.

Thanks,
Jake

Who wuvs his $1.50 Mojave3 promo

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:05:18 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: my three cents


>dave (desarg@mail.wm.edu) "when the drum beats go like this"
>*-->"these guys are from england and who gives a shit!"-
>casey kasem

...right here on the mailing list you grew up with, listserve 4AD- oh, fuck.


Jake
Love dem Negativedudes

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:41:35 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: HNIA and Livonia


-sean said:

i very much enjoy hiiyh, but i bought livonia when it came out.(i grew up
in livonia(superfun) and the tape store i went to get it at charged me
close to 20$!) i think that since hiiyh was not even an option at the
time and livonia was so different from everything i was being bombarded
with that it made quite an impression on me. maybe i am being too
nostalgic.
        did anyone out there in the ones and zeros get livonia when it
was the only hnia mass-release? can you second this?

--

I completely agree with this. I bought Livonia when it first came out I
believe it was 1990 (Anyone to correct me?). And it does hold a very nostalgic
place in my head/heart. Like sean says, it was very different from anything
else in those days and hit a certain erie spot in me :)

There, you have now been seconded Sean :)

-nb-

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:48:01 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: seeking aid


hi.  it's me, BiZ.  i just recently got a job (actually, it doesn't pay) at
the arts desk at one of the school dailies (circ 25,000 maybe?).  anyway,
i'm mostly going to be working with music.  i talked to the music editor
today, and he's recently been trying to straighten the place out by
contacting record companies to get on promo mailing list and stuff.

one of the companies he's been having difficulty with is ol' 4ad, so if any
of you can give me the name of a reliable contact person at 4ad (Strick9?
can you help?), that'd be great.  i'd also be interested in contacts from
bedazzled (steve?), american (for those too pure u.s. releases), kranky,
ipr, slumberland, spinart, creation (the u.s. folks), or whoever else you
can think of (astralwerks, warp. . .)  so if any of you can get me phone #s,
e-mail addresses, etc. for important record co. types, i'd sure appreciate
it.

i'm at:  eewittme@students.wisc.edu

thanks very much for your time,

BiZ

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:12:07 GMT
From: Peter Wang (Peter_Wang@gensler.com)
Subject: Re: Liz Fraser is dead


larry@interlog.com wrote:

>Don't you think the news would have been posted here from the Cocteaus list
>or alt.music.4ad, that there would have been a big obituary in NME or MM,
>that sort of thing? Recently, I heard a rumour that you were a troll. Is
>this true?

I heard the mistaken rumor of Ms. Fraser's passing over a year ago, just
after the release of Four Calender Cafe.  I've been subsribed to this list
for less than a week -- so if the news were posted here, I wouldn't have seen
it.  I also know now through responses from other friendly folk on this list,
that CT have been releasing work since then.  If I do not follow CT as
closely as you would have me then you have my apologies.  This "troll" has
been too busy lately investigating the wider world beyond 4AD -- Dorado,
Warp, Bellissima, Talkin' Loud, Nu Breed, etc.  So for the record, the rumour
that I am a troll is TRUE!!

I also do not read NME or MM on a regular basis -- so feel free to fault me
for that!!

Sorry to be the instigator of your whiplash sarcasm, but as I understand it,
this list is for information exchange and not smart-ass responses.

thanks for the news Larry,

peter

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:55:31 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Bel Canto


For all of you interested, Bel Canto has a new single out 'Rumour' on
Lava/Atlantic
The track listing is as following:

1) Rumour (album edit)
2) Rumour (MAW 12'' )
3) Rumour (tribe in dub)
4) Rumour (abstract mix)
5) Rumour (abstract instrumental)

DON=B4T expect something as beautiful as 'Unicorn' or 'Mornixuur', both form
'Shimmering, Warm & Bright'

The song sounds like 'Birds of Passage' but in a lighter approach.
Got it a Tower Records for 4.99.

Pepe

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:24:37 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice


Brett responds:
>I think this is a play on the album title - "Prazision" which may mean
>precision as in the instrument shown on the cover. I think the
>instrument measureing the bearing is some kind of vernier caliper.

My point was that the micrometer/caliper thingy on the cover has the name
"Labradford" engraved on it as the brand name. Either the band futzed the
photograph (or had the name custom-engraved on a micrometer) or -- more
likely I think -- there is actually an instrument company called
Labradford that the band named themselves after. I haven't heard any
other explanation for their name.

By the way, a friend pointed out another non-lame scientifically-named
were mighty fine.) Actually he didn't directly point it out -- he was
wearing a tour t-shirt. Plate-o-shrimp time...

__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          ________________________________________
                          He wants a shoehorn, the kind with teeth
                         'Cause he knows there's no such thing.


Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:42:49 EST
From: Ricardo Montalban (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Personal for Melissa Lim


    Melissa! Please write to me! I've lost your address.
    brian
    bwilliam@fogelson.csf.ed

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:56:33 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: URL noveau pour Crepuscule!


My Crepuscule site, I reported about last week has moved:


Everything (discographies, histories) is up now.

Frank

++++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++++

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:20:00 -0300
From: Walter Reznik (wreznik@COLSCH.EDU.AR)
Subject: Re: Liz Fraser Is Dead


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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:11:00 -0300
From: Walter Reznik (wreznik@COLSCH.EDU.AR)
Subject: To Englands


This is for you englands.

Next saturday I'll fly to London. This is my first time, and I am at
least "anxious".
I'd want to go to clubs, or pubs where I could hear 4ad or Goth-
related music. Someone suggested the Slimelight, or something, but he
said it opens just saturdays.
I'll arrive on sunday. Is there any place open on the week?

Later I'll go to Egipt, Turkey and Israel, but it would be too much to
ask if someone knows places there?
Anyway, before my return to Argentina (ugh!), I'll be in London again,
so I'll could go to Slimelight.

Any help... thank you.

                                              Walter
                                              WReznik@colsch.edu.ar



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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:03:44 -0500
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: v23 show


As I thought, the exhibition is at the University of Northumbria, not
Newcastle Uni. They are only about 400 yards apart - but just so you know.
I'm getting some more info sent so I'll update then.

Andie

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:01:05 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: FS: Cocteaus, Lisa G., Pale Saints, Belly


In Message Wed, 24 Jan 1996 17:50:34 -0500,
  Joseph Burns  writes:

>I would love to get my hands on the 'Mrs Dolphin' Pale Saints disc!
>How Much?

$6000, daddy-o!

actually, i'm not selling this cd.  this is just a friendly reminder to send
bids to the person selling the music, not the list.

thanks,

BiZ

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:56:15 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (brink2@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: I'm sorry but.....


>I'm sorry - my boss has asked me to remove my name from your list
>but I've lost my mailing list instructions.

He!? Is that the title of that new 4AD promo compilation CD-ROM?

Frank
++++++++++++++
brink2@xs4all.nl
++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:45:43 EST
From: Tom Homulka (Thomas_Homulka.WORLDGROUP@NOTES.COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: "Scene but not herd"


  On Pale Saints "In Ribbons" CD, printed on the center of the disk are the
  words "scene but not herd" ... are they taken from any track on the CD?
  Just curious ...

  And on the subject of HNIA bashing ... all I have to say is that "Home Is
  In Your Head" is one of my all-time favorite CDs (next to (clan of)
  Xymox's "Medusa").

  Tom
  thomulka.worldgroup@notes.compuserve.com

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:47:45 -0800
From: "K. Bruner" (napalm@UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: FS: Cocteaus, Lisa G., Pale Saints, Belly


In mlist.4ad-l you write:

>>Lisa Germano "on the way down from the moon palace"

How much you asking for this one?


The Official Great Goddess To Whom You Do Beg of Dogbert's New Ruling Class
--
Morality is the herd-instinct in the individual.
                                        --Friedrich Nietzsche

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:11:00 -0300
From: Walter Reznik (wreznik@COLSCH.EDU.AR)
Subject: Re: Ct Is Dead


4r> Question:

4r> If Liz was dead and there would be a 'Cocteau Twins Tribute
4r> Concert' (like the one they did for the Queen-dude). Who would
4r> be on-stage??

Well, we'd probably see Titania of Faerie, along with the Endless
family, even if the Sandman is dead. The hellblazer would cry over
the Swamp Thing, of course.
On a terrenal side, we'd see Lisa Gerrard (with a new-short-hair-cut)
making a beautyful arabesque version of Pearly Dewdrops-Drops with
a Yang Ch'in.
After that, the old Liz, (that in Garlands) would come to make a
chilly death-song with the Choir of Flutes, just to say "goodbye" to
the new one, and start growing to make her live again, at the cost of
her own life.

4r> ps: Sorry I mentioned 'Queen' on this list... it will never
4r> happen again!

There is just one heaven...
                                              Walter
                                              WReznik@colsch.edu.ar



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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:11:00 -0300
From: Walter Reznik (wreznik@COLSCH.EDU.AR)
Subject: Re: Ct


>A sad chapter in 4AD-L's history, indeed...

4r> Sorry, the above is not 100% accurate. Although the Oomingmak
4r> incident did occur, Liz was not killed, she merely went into a
4r> coma for three months. The tragic part of the whole saga is her
4r> loss of vocal chords since the accident. Fortunately Robin (with
4r> his knackers in a vice) has filled in nicely on the recent
4r> Twinlights and Otherness EPs.

Yes! That was why he was chossen to play "Farinelli"!
Anyway, the version I heard is that Liz still appears on live
performances, with Robin's voice doing playback.
I got very annoyed when I heard that, but then someone told me she was
in an hipocaloric diet and learning fuzzy-guitar, while Robin's on an
gym program with Madonna's trainer.
Luckily, we'll have the same Cocteau for a few years...

                                              Walter
                                              WReznik@colsch.edu.ar



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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:50:09 -0500
From: Jon H Wichmann (jhwst9+@PITT.EDU)
Subject: Re: the doom generation


> the local theatre.  Anyone seen seen this movie?  How is the soundtrack?

from what i have heard this movie was just plain bad..
the only interesting thing about it seemed to be the soundtrack
and some of the cameos in the film..

j0n

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 02:33:07 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Lilliput Sale!


>
>
>How about $65?
>
>Keep me posted on the bids and also where I can
>get it from you. This is great!!!
>
>Steve
>
>

Let me guess,  you didn't actually mean to post this to the entire list did
you???

Imagine that, trying to buy a Lilliput without giving the rest of us a chance
to bid on it!!!

jheez!!  (j/k by the way!  good luck...mine's beautiful....wouldn't mind
another actually...especially for $65.  Heck I'd probably pay $75, even $80)

-blue
blubelknol@aol.com

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:59:28 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: chapeterhouse (non 4ad)


hi.  the other day i saw chapterhouse's blood music again, except it was
packaged like an ep, had six tracks with funny names, and the entire thing
was remixed by global communication.  blood music was a crap album, imo,
but the remixes on the original bonus disc weren't bad.  question:  is this
six-song remix album worth it?  any g.c. remixes (including reload) i've
heard have been fab and i was very tempted to buy it.  but there was other
stuff calling my name, so i avoided it -- perhaps temporarily.

thanks,

BiZ

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:31:39 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: Lilliput Sale (Price going up...)!


$110 for my new bid

Okay?

Steve

***********************************************************
You wanna see me? Know about me?
Look on this web page under Stevenn:

Atelier Design Communications
Steven Venn, b.f.a. - Graphic Designer
139 Golfclub Court, Richmond Hill,
Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1

(905) 884-2601
(416) 864-1234 ex.4981

                 force of the twentieth century"

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:01:45 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Lilliput Sale (Price going up...)!


Ok! I=B4m located in Torreon, Coahuila, MEXICO; so I=B4ll have to add some=
 s/h
(it depends on what dou you want me to ship it).

The CD=B4s are in PERFECT condition; the booklet is excellent but is=
 separated
form the cardbox cover which is fine.

In a few words, the overall conditions are 95/100.

The price has moved up to $100 + s/h since various offers have been made to=
 me.

Keep them coming!

Pepe

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:18:18 -0600
From: Jason Hull (jhh8513@TAM2000.TAMU.EDU)
Subject: Earwig


Hoping to generate another discussion on the brilliance of Insides, I
have recently gotten ahold of two Earwig albums...'Past' and 'Under My
Skin I Am Laughing'.  'Past' has a date of 1992 on it, and I am
assuming it is their first release.  It's a lot rougher than
'Euphoria', and relies more on guitars than drum loops.  I think its
rather good, although I was surprised the first time I listened to it.
'Under My Skin...' was released in 1994, a year after 'Euphoria', and
to which it is very similar.

So, is this all that they have released?  There have been several
discussions about Insides on this list before, but I don't remember
'Past' ever being mentioned.

jason
hull@tamu.edu

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:07:23 GMT
From: Peter Wang (Peter_Wang@gensler.com)
Subject: CT


I have been a long time admirer of the Cocteau Twins.  Recently, I  heard a
rumor that Elizabeth Frazer of Cocteau Twins passed away.  Is this true?
About a year or so ago a friend of ours was watching one of those music
awards shows (maybe MTV) and one of the announcers dedicated something, or a
song, to "heaven's newest angel Elisabeth Fraser."  What does that mean??
Maybe my frient misheard the announcer?   I've always loved CT, even their
last album which was released about 2 years ago.  Do you know anything about
this?

Has Cocteau Twins released anything recently?  And are they still tied to
4AD? There last full length release was on Capitol?


P.S.  what was the name of the graphic designer who did many of the early CT
releases.  John something-or-other??

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:05:31 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: "Scene but not herd"


In Message Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:45:43 EST,
  Tom Homulka  writes:

>  On Pale Saints "In Ribbons" CD, printed on the center of the disk are the
>  words "scene but not herd" ... are they taken from any track on the CD?
>  Just curious ...

no.  it's not a lyric.  this is ian and the boys' (meriel, too) word play on
the old "scene that celebrates itself" remark.  if you want more details,
write me.  i actually have the full story complete with names and
approximate dates if you're really that interested, but since i'm neither
british nor a long-time ps fan (though i do like them very much, it's only
been since about a year after in ribbons), i don't have the details
committed to memory.

bye,

BiZ

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:53:41 -0800
From: "Jonathan Smith, JDHS, Juneau, AK" (smithj@JSD.K12.AK.US)
Subject: Heidi Berry-love Re: layne


This is a personal message for Layne, but I can't seem to get through to
his personal address:

>Hi!
>
>I have a copy.  I found another once.  I might be able to get one at a
>local used store for about $10.  I think they have one.  I will stop by and
>look today.  Do you want it if I can  get it?  Let me know.
>
>Layne


YES , YES, YES, and I'll make it well worth your while.

Yes on the other account too.  I'm a High school Science/math teacher in
Juneau Ak.  Why do you ask?  I noticed your name tag says Foothill High
School Associated Student Body.  What's an associated student body?  Who's
it associated with???


Thanks for replying.  By the way how is it?  (the album I mean)


Jon

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:24:21 -0600
From: Salome (lnvoigt@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: King of Sweet


<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

As long as the his name is alive discussion is in full swing, I thought I'd
mention to all those who quest for this disc -- I happen to possess a spare
copy and should someone so desire, I would willingly send it their way.  So,
all inquiries and offers about my copy of

 h i s   n a m e   i s    a l i v e    --    k i n g   o f   s w e e t

should be directed to me at lnvoigt@students.wisc.edu.  Thanks greatly.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

      --  we have art in order not to perish from the truth  --

                              Nietzsche
 _______________________________________________________________________

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:57:09 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name is Alive, ugh.


to expand further(?):
        I am a hnia fan AND I agree completely with the things that have
been posted about 'livonia'. it does seem diconnected and pointless, but it
has it's moments of clarity(much like this post). Every time that I
listen to it, I end up thinking that perhaps that is what it is meant to
be like. With that in consideration, it is brilliant.
        Most of the hnia releases follows on this same 'stream of
conciousness' feeling. I think that my fascination with them is 40%
continuous curiosity and 60% pure-unadulterated good feeling air pressure
changes in your ear canal.
        -sean. Devine
home is in your mouth by livonia


Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:32:31 -0500
From: AWerks2@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Red Hot: Offbeat 2/2/96-NYC

          ambient@hyperreal.com

For those interested in the Skylab performance on this night, Skylab will NOT
be performing live.  Matt Ducasse of Skylab, however, will be DJ'ing at the
party.

If you can't make the evening of the 2nd, Matt will also be DJ'ing Wednesday,
January 31 @ Static along with DJ Lovegrove (Sonic Soul, Baltimore) and DJ
Brian (Open, NYC).

Static is located @ Void, 16 Mercer St, NYC.  $5.  for more info contact
satamile@pipeline.com or call 212.330.9114.

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:31:49 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Tarnation (was: Re: musings on slowdive lyrics)


At 10:25 PM 1/23/96, einexile the meek wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Jon Kvebaek wrote:
>
>> einexile the meek wrote:
>>
>> > And a wee bit of 4AD news. (Is this old?) Tarnation supposedly bailed.
>>
>> Not so much bailed as dropped a few members (everyone except Paula?) and
>> obtained a few new ones. At least that's what I've heard...
>
>What I hear is there was some sort of disagreement and Paula Frazer is no
>longer doing business with 4AD.
>
> einexile the rumormongre

I could find out for you einexile since a friend of my had dinner with her
and Mark Eitzel yesterday.  But you must ask first your LORD and Master...,
te, he, he.  S.F. is the greatest....



==================================================
Communicating from the corner of 5th and Vermouth

Fred/Derf Collins

(c/o elvia@uclink3.berkley.edu)

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:53:32 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Do not send sale responses to the list!


For the nth and certainly not last time:

WHEN RESPONDING TO AN OFFER FOR AN ITEM FOR SALE,
**DO NOT** SEND YOUR BID TO THE ENTIRE LIST.
ONLY SEND IT TO THE PERSON OFFERING THE ITEM FOR SALE.
THE REST OF US DO NOT CARE WHETHER YOU WANT TO BUY THAT ITEM.

If you cannot figure out how to respond only to the sender, please take a
moment to read the manual for your e-mail program before continuing. It's
just common courtesy.
I've seen at least five of these misdirected responses in the last day
and it gets quite annoying.

Thanks.


__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          ________________________________________
                          He wants a shoehorn, the kind with teeth
                         'Cause he knows there's no such thing.

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:39:02 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: scene, but not herd


not herd.  i thought it had something to do with the "scene," and it did.
here's an explanation.

>Ultimately it comes from a phrase coined by MM writer Steve Sutherland in
>1991, "The Scene That Celebrates Itself."  He used it as a one-liner to
>describe the tendency of shoegazing bands to end up at each other's shows,
>parties, orgies, whatever, but it quickly took on a life of its own to
>describe that genre of band, ill-defined as it already was.  The Pale
>Saints got lumped into this mess at some point, resulting in their
>comeback on the CD ring.

sutherland later used the phrase "scene, but not herd" to describe the
then-emerging glam-rock band suede, which is how the above conversation
resulted.  this was about a month or two after in ribbons came out, so the
guess is that sutherland saw the ps cd, then re-used the phrase as a sort
of self-parody.

so that's the story,

BiZ

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 19:01:58 -0800
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Tarnation (was: Re: musings on slowdive lyrics)


At 11:51 AM 1/24/96, Jon Kvebaek wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, einexile the meek wrote:
>
>> What I hear is there was some sort of disagreement and Paula Frazer is no
>> longer doing business with 4AD.
>
>No? A 4AD employee just told me that Ivo wanted to head the new band as a
>singer/guitarist/songwriter/drummer, and Paula would be reduced to play
>the tambourine and do some backing vocals. For some reason, Paula felt that
>this affected her artistical integrity - and consequently left 4AD.
>Sad story really...
>
>Jon Kvebaek 

WRONG!  Ivo insisted he is Paula Fraser and that Paula Fraser is an
imposter. Go figure?  So would the real Paula Fraser cut an album that I
could say is worth the vinyl or metal/plastic.

==================================================
Communicating from the corner of 5th and Vermouth

Fred/Derf Collins

(c/o elvia@uclink3.berkley.edu)

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 20:09:49 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: "Scene but not herd"


Tom Homulka asks:
>  On Pale Saints "In Ribbons" CD, printed on the center of the disk are the
>  words "scene but not herd" ... are they taken from any track on the CD?
>  Just curious ...

I've always assumed this was their punning response to the whole "Scene
that likes itself" hype, a tag that the British music press applied to
the shoegazer bands since they always went to each others' shows.

Does this appear [more traditionally] on the run-out groove of the vinyl
release?

__________
Jens Alfke __________________          _________________________
           jens@mooseyard.com          http://www.inow.com/~jens
       _______________________________________________________________
       Old Aunt Nyla she looked out on the feast of Stephen
       When they stole her special ham, she swore she would get even
       So she took a belt of Scotch and picked up a barstool
       Praying to her porcine god: "Deliver me that pig-stealing fool!"

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 15:34:45 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins 'Otherness'


On Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:39:29 -0800, nb wrote:

>I have been out of the country for 2 weeks and probably missed a whole bunch
>of stuff about this topic. But could anyone give a quick
>review/opinion/description of the latest Cocteau Twins effort? Also is it an
>album or an EP and is it available in the US yet?

It's a four song EP released in the US in December. It's as much a
Mark Clifford (Seefeel) project as a Cocteau Twins project, and is
thus the polar opposite of the acoustic Twinlights. If you like
ambient you should find it interesting. I didn't at first, but it's
grown on me, and I've come to love the hypnosis of "Seekers Who Are
Lovers", and the radiant opening of "Cherry Coloured Funk", at least.

The new album, "Milk & Kisses" is due in March, though someone posted
it's not to be released in the US until April. According to a review
by Mike Borum, it's superb.

Yours,
Paul

The final elegance, not to console
Nor sanctify, but plainly to propound.

 Wallace Stevens, "Notes Toward a Supreme Fiction"

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 08:49:27 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA bashing


>> Speaking of which, I've been meaning to respond to the
"what was it you liked about Slowdive anyway" query.
For me, nearly the entire pleasure I got out of their
songs pre-Pygmalion was first and foremost the guitars.
The whole big, swirly, shoegazy mess. Morningrise!
She Calls! That's the sound I loved them dearly for. The vocals were fine,
but they must have been secondary to me, because Pygmalion
and the Mojave album don't affect me at all in the same way. <<

        For me, the thing that set Slowdive apart from other shoegazers
was not only Neil Halstead's inventive guitar work, but the band's
beautiful and enchanting use of male-female unison vocals, drifting in
and out from between hefty slabs of flanging and chorus. The overall
effect of all this was, as we all know, wonderful!

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:55:17 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: new mbv

              at Jan 24, 96 07:54:57 am

phil locke  wrote:
>
> since there's been discussion of a new MBV ep, i thought i'd
> toss out a couple blurbs from the latest ICE...
>
> 1) "the WMO label -- distributed by Caroline -- plans
> February 20 for a Wire tribute album, titled _Whore_.
> Among the 21 participants are Lush, My Bloody Valentine,
> Mike Watt, aMiniature, and Band of Susans."
>
> 2) "Noted musician-writer David Toop has compiled an album
> of key tracks and environmental sounds, _Ocean of Sound_,
> which explores the development of ambient music.  The
> double-disc set features a suprising breadth of artists,
> ranging from The Beach Boys to Aphex Twin, Debussy to
> Miles Davis and Erik Satir to Sun Ra.  Other artists include
> King Tubby, My Bloody Valentine and Herbie Hancock."
>
> no word on where the tracks for these albums come from.  Lush
> has already covered "outdoor miner", but then so have FSA
> and Antenna.

The track on the Toop album is "Loomer" (I think that's right - one of
the songs from "Loveless", anyway).

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 25/01/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/NORMAN.HTM
The Wedding Present - Watusi

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:28:28 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice


Simon Hughes asserts:
>Isn't it, ahem, axiomatic that any group named after a scientific
>principle, axiom, law, experiment, thing etc. is automatically crap.

How about:
  The Difference Engine
  Biosphere
  Hunters & Collectors  (an anthropological term)
  Esplendor Geometrico
  Stereolab    (pushing it a bit)
  Labradford   (who appear to have named themselves after a scientific
instrument
                company, unless the cover picture of their 1st LP is
faked.)
  "Artificial Intelligence" comp on Warp

If I dug through the band names on my ambient/techno comps I could come
up with more.

>Something to do with an excess of the wrong kind of intellectualism.

'nuffa this two-cultures bullshit! I'm sure there are plenty of
scientists & engineers on this list, myself included, who find their
intellectualism to be entirely the right kind for appreciating groovy
music.

__________
Jens Alfke __________________          _________________________
           jens@mooseyard.com          http://www.inow.com/~jens
       ________________________________________________________________
       This segment's question is whether the 7th angle of the diatonic
       flange grids should be amended! Blue or amber?

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:51:06 -0500
From: "[spiral]" (99lear@LAB.CC.WMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave Whathaveya (sarah chords)


On Sun, 21 Jan 1996, a bear of very little brain wrote:

> Not to pick nits w/ [spiral],

how dare thee pick nits...

> but I just happened to have my guitar handy at
> the time.

and i went home that very night cause i wowas almost
sure that i had not gotten it wrong...

>  The guitars on "Sarah" are capoed on the first fret, so the
> verses are D# and G#.

well i have a taped copy of it so maybe its a half step slower
but i doubt it that much...
i see it like this: capoed on the second
       G (barre)
"i cant hide...": Bmin (Amin form)
                  G (barre)
"lay your llams on me...": Bmin (Amin form)
                           F#min (Emin form)
                           G (barred)

but i think maybe my tape is slow...
hmmmmmm...
bye.spiral


The bit before the bridge "...but I can't hide, I'm
> hurting babe, but I can't cry" is Gmin -> G#, and the line "lay your love on
> me" (inexcusable bit of rawk lyricism, but much more excusable than... erm,
> Oasis perhaps) is Cmin -> A# -> G#.
>
> Or something vaguely like that.  Light a candle and play along.  :)
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> hk
> --
> hk kahng | hk@neosoft.com & farrago@delphi.com
>          | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
>          | hey, look! i'm picasso!
>

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:38:37 -0500
From: "Rufus T. Firefly" (mwelker@BGNET.BGSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: "Scene but not herd"/Glide concert


On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Tom Homulka wrote:

>   On Pale Saints "In Ribbons" CD, printed on the center of the disk are the
>   words "scene but not herd" ... are they taken from any track on the CD?
>   Just curious ...

Might be an tie-in with the Talking Heads song "Seen and Not Seen" off of
the "Remain In Light" album ??

Anyway, for any listies who care and are in the neighborhood, Glide, a
quasi this listie band will be playing this Saturday:

Sat., Jan. 27
5 bands for $5:

Gravelbed
Gone Daddy Finch
Glide
Fender Bender
Dogg Phancy

start @ 7PM
Knownose Coffee House:
139 W. Wooster
Bowling Green, Ohio


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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:16:12 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: RHP- & HNIA-bashing


        After some thought about what e said, that RHP are essentially
about "whining and obsessing", I must disagree. After thinking through
RHP songs, I'd say that Mark never whines and almost never really
obsesses. If he does obsess, it's done with no small amount of subtlety.
His lyrics are usually quite emotional, but are also consistently
circumspect; that, I think, is the key word in describing his whole
demeanor as it comes across in the songs. I can still imagine someone
else holding a reasonable point of view that would see Mark in a somewhat
less positive light; this is just the way I see it.
        I noticed that those who criticized HNIA used "Livonia" as their
basis for doing so; but I think "Livonia" is quite an imperfect album;
too embryonic to yield a full taste of their sound. "Home Is In Your
Head" is the definitive HNIA album, however, and I think it should
definitely be listened to, more than once, before one makes a final
judgment about HNIA. It is far more diverse but also more cohesive than
"Livonia", which by comparison does seem to "amount to little", even
though it does boast "How Ghosts Affect Relationships", which I think is
possibly HNIA's best (maybe 'incredible' would get the feeling across
better!) song. On the whole, "Livonia" finds Warren and Karin meandering
here and there, only dabbling in the first stages of experimentation,
efforts which were to come to full fruition in "Home Is In Your Head".
Nevertheless, "Livonia" is good, and is certainly more than "just noise".
        As for "Mouth By Mouth", I don't have it yet (but I've ordered it
from CDNow, along with FB's "The Cult Of Ray", in defiance of
exhortations to not do so!), but from descriptions on this list, I have a
pretty good idea of what it's like, and I'm looking forward to hearing it.
        Thanks if you've read this far!

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 19:41:19 EST
From: Lawren Wu (lwu@WI.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: chapeterhouse (non 4ad)


>hi.  the other day i saw chapterhouse's blood music again, except it was
>packaged like an ep, had six tracks with funny names, and the entire thing
>was remixed by global communication.  blood music was a crap album, imo,
>but the remixes on the original bonus disc weren't bad.  question:  is
this
>six-song remix album worth it?  any g.c. remixes (including reload) i've
>heard have been fab and i was very tempted to buy it.  but there was other
>stuff calling my name, so i avoided it -- perhaps temporarily.


If you like the global communication/reload sound, then the remix of Blood
Music (called Pentamerous Metamorphosis) should appeal to you.  In my
opinion, it's a really good job.  There's only a snippet of the original
song in each remix track, and the rest is pure g.c. -- smooth ambient
techno, a bit on the light side, but with lots of interesting stuff going
on.

Lawren
lwu@wi.mit.edu

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:23:31 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: RHP nominated for award


>After reading about all the RHP bashing as of late, I thought it my
>duty to let you all know that they have been nominated by B.A.M.
>magazine (San Francisco Bay Area Music) for an Oustanding
>Alternative Album award (for _Ocean Beach_).

This isn't quite the distinction it might be; the Bammies are pretty
suspect, having been bestowed by the bucketload on Bay Area luminaries
like Jefferson Starship, Santana, Journey and (shudder) the Dead. Even
through the '80s, when there were plenty of good bands like Romeo Void,
the Dead Kennedys, etc. that were more deserving. I think these days most
of the Bammies are pre-allocated to Counting Crows and Four Non Blondes.

__________
Jens Alfke __________________          _________________________
           jens@mooseyard.com          http://www.inow.com/~jens
       ________________________________________________________________
       This segment's question is whether the 7th angle of the diatonic
       flange grids should be amended! Blue or amber?

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:48:10 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Axiom of Choice

              <199601251828.KAA16983@vader.inow.com>

Jens Alfke wrote:

>Simon Hughes asserts:
>>Isn't it, ahem, axiomatic that any group named after a scientific
>>principle, axiom, law, experiment, thing etc. is automatically crap.
>
>How about:
>  The Difference Engine
>  Biosphere
>  Hunters & Collectors  (an anthropological term)
>  Esplendor Geometrico
>  Stereolab    (pushing it a bit)
>  Labradford   (who appear to have named themselves after a scientific
>instrument
>                  company, unless the cover picture of their 1st LP is
>faked.)
>  "Artificial Intelligence" comp on Warp

Yeah, well I might quibble a bit here and there and I'm no great fan of any
of the groups I wouldn't quibble over but I think Jens has reasonably well
knocked my argument for six.  So what does "Esplendor Geometrico" mean (any
Spanish experts out there)?  Can I restrict my theory to groups named after
mathematical principles, axioms, laws etc?  Can I exclude those group names
which have meaning to a layperson (e.g., "Hunters & Collectors") and/or
those group names which are pretty much part of common culture now (e.g.,
"Biosphere").

>>Something to do with an excess of the wrong kind of intellectualism.
>
>'nuffa this two-cultures bullshit!

Ha, maybe you're right, but I don't see any marrying of scientific and
musical principles to produce great music.  I'm not convinced "two
cultures" has anything to do with what I'm talking, half facetiously,
about.  Jens, you me and C.P. Snow might bemoan the existence of two
cultures but you're surely not suggesting that science has much of a role
in the creation of great music, are you?  I certainly don't mean to suggest
that scientists can't make good music (Brian May :-) though I imagine that
maybe that sort of mind set is less well suited than others.

>I'm sure there are plenty of
>scientists & engineers on this list, myself included, who find their
>intellectualism to be entirely the right kind for appreciating groovy
>music.

And I definitely don't mean to suggest that scientists & engineers are
incapable of appreciating good music.  Why would I?  I are one.

Simon Hughes


Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:18:19 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Earwig


Jason Hull reports:
>'Under My Skin...' was released in 1994, a year after 'Euphoria'

That was a rerelease. Both the Earwig albums came out significantly
before they changed into Insides; I'm guessing 1991 or so. I have not in
fact heard either one of those albums, despite many recommendations.
Partly this is because "Euphoria", while it has its moments, is
cumulatively an album that really annoys me, for much the same reasons as
HNIA's "Livonia". Maybe I'll take a chance and buy one of the Earwig
albums used if I can ever find them.

__________
Jens Alfke __________________          _________________________
           jens@mooseyard.com          http://www.inow.com/~jens
       ________________________________________________________________
       This segment's question is whether the 7th angle of the diatonic
       flange grids should be amended! Blue or amber?

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:55:46 +1100
From: Season (season@WERPLE.NET.AU)
Subject: season clearance - general - update...


ok, here's the deal - we've had a massive response, & some great offers; now
I'm going to give everyone one chance to up their bid if they want
to....here are the top bids so far....

        A HOUSE CALL ME BLUE    BLANCOYNEGRO    7"
        A HOUSE KICK ME AGAIN JESUS     RIP 1   7"
        A HOUSE SNOWBALL DOWN/YOU       RIP 2   7"
$5.00   AMELIA  CAN YOU KEEP A SECRET?  FIERCE 055      7"
$15.00  BABY LEMONADE   SECRET GOLDFISH NARODNIK 4      7"
        BACHELOR PAD    SMOOTHIE        EGG 6   7"
$4.00   BIFF BANG POW!  SOMEONE STOLE MY WHEELS CRE 034 7"
$4.00   BIFF BANG POW!  THE WHOLE WORLDS TURNING BROUCHARD!     CRE 038 7"
        BLAKE BABIES    LADIES WITH AN ATTITUDE...      WATERFRONT      7"
$4.00   BODINES GOD BLESS/PARADISE      CRE 016 7"
$4.00   BODINES HEARD IT ALL    CRE 030 7"
        BOYRACER        AUL 36X EP      SLUMBERLAND35   7"
$8.00   BRIAN   YOU DON'T WANT A BOYFRIEND      DETZI 1 7"
        CANDY DARLINGS  THAT'S WHERE CAROLINE LIVES     TEA TIME 07     7"
$8.00   CHARLOTTES      ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?      MOLESWORTH 5    7"
$6.00   CHESTERFIELDS   GUITAR IN YOUR BATH     SUBWAY 03       7"
$5.00   CLOSE LOBSTERS  NEVER SEEN BEFORE       FIRE 20 7"
$3.00   CONFETTI        SEA ANEMON EP   SUNDAY 12       7"
        DARLING BUDS    BURST   EPIC    7"
        DARLING BUDS    IT'S ALL UP TO YOU      NATIVE 33       7"
        DARLING BUDS    SHAME ON YOU    NATIVE 1        7"
        DEARLY  ONLY BETWEENS   GRIMSEY02       7"
$10.00  DIE FUNF FREUNDE        PERFECT DAY     MARSH-MARIGOLD 05       7"
        EAST VILLAGE    VIBRATO/VIOLIN  SUMMERSHINE 14  7"
$4.00   FAT TULIPS      DRIVING ME WILD VINYL JAPAN 11  7"
$5.00   FAT TULIPS      FOUR SONGS FOR SIMON    HEAVEN 2        7"
        FAT TULIPS      NEW SPRING RITES FOR SARAH      VINYL JAPAN 12  7"
$5.00   FAT TULIPS      WHERE'S CLARE GROGAN NOW?       HEAVEN 1        7"
        FIVE YEAR PLAN  HIT THE BOTTLE  BREAK 3 7"
$5.00   HAYWAINS        FISHERMAN'S FRIEND      EMILY'S SHOP 1  7"
$5.00   HONEYBUNCH      WALKING INTO WALLS      SUMMERSHINE 18  7"
        IMPOSSIBLES     DELPHIS FONTANA 7"
        IT'S IMMATERIAL SPACE   SIREN   7"
$12.00  JAMES DEAN DRIVING EXP...       DEAN'S ELEVENTH DREAM   AUTUMN 1        
"
$12.00  JESSE GARON...  ADAM FAITH EXPERIENCE   VELOCITY 1      7"
$10.00  JESSE GARON...  SPLASHING ALONG NARODNIK 1      7"
$5.00   JESSE GARON...  UNION CITY BLUE VELOCITY 3      7"
$5.00   JESTERBELLS     JUST LIKE APPLES        MARSH-MARIGOLD 02       7"
        JESUS AND MARY CHAIN    APRIL SKIES     BLANCOYNEGRO    7"
        JESUS AND MARY CHAIN    SURFIN' USA     BLANCOYNEGRO    7"
        JESUS AND MARY CHAIN    UPSIDE DOWN     CRE 012 7"
        LEGENDARY BANG  BIG BLUFF       MARSH-MARIGOLD 07       7"
        LINDA SMITH     TIL ANOTHER TIME        SLUMBERLAND 016 7"
        LOFT    UP THE HILL & DOWN THE SLOPE    CRE 015 7"
        LORELEI ASLEEP  SLUMBERLAND 032 7"
$10.00  MAN FROM DELMONTE       WATER IN MY EYES        UGLY MAN 5      7"
$4.00   MAYFIELDS       DEEPER THAN THE OCEAN   BUS STOP 05     7"
$4.00   MAYFIELDS       WORLD OF YOUR OWN       AMBITION 1      7"
        McCARTHY        FRANS HALS      PINK 17 7"
        MEAT WHIPLASH   DON'T SLIP UP   CRE 020 7"
        MIGHTY LEMON DROPS      THE OTHER SIDE OF YOU   BLUE GUITAR     7"
$4.00   MOSSPOLES       ONE SUMMER      IDEA 06 7"
$4.00   MOUSEFOLK       GRANNIES CAKE CRISIS    TEA TIME 03     7"
$4.00   MOUSEFOLK       SONGS OF LOVE AND HATE  TEA TIME 05     7"
3       MUSICAL CHAIRS  TIME LAPSE      SOMERSAULT      7"
$12.00  MY BLOODY VALENTINE     NO PLACE TO GO  FEVER 5 7"
$30.00  MY BLOODY VALENTINE     SUNNY SUNDAE SMILE      LAZY 04 7"
$4.00   ONE THOUSAND VIOLINS    LOVE IN DREAMWORLD      7"
$10.00  PALESAINTS      A THOUSAND STARS BURST OPEN - BONUS 7"  4AD     7"
$10.00  PASTELS DIFFERENT DRUM (SIGNED BY STEPHEN!)     K RECORDS       7"
$5.00   PASTELS SONGS FOR CHILDREN      OVERGROUND 06   7"
        POWER OF DREAMS NEVER BEEN TO TEXAS     POLYDOR 7"
        PRAYERS SISTER GOODBYE  EGG 1   7"
        PRIMITIVES      SPELLS  RCA     7"
        PRIMITIVES      WAY BEHIND ME   RCA     7"
        RAW HERBS       SHE'S A NURSE   MEDIUM COOL 03  7"
$6.00   RAZORCUTS       BIG PINK CAKE   SUBWAY 05       7"
$6.00   RAZORCUTS       SOMETIMES I WORRY ABOUT YOU     CAFF 10 7"
        RED LETTER DAY  HIBERNATION     MARSH-MARIGOLD 03       7"
        RED SLEEPING BEAUTY/ BENITO             GRIMSEY01       7"
        ROPERS  I DON'T MIND    SLUMBERLAND38   7"
$6.00   SERVANTS        SHE'S ALWAYS HIDING     HEAD 1  7"
$6.00   SHOP ASSISTANTS HERE IT COMES   AVALANCHE 1     7"
        SIDDELEYS       WHAT WENT WRONG THIS TIME       MEDIUM COOL 05  7"
        SMALL FACTORY   LOSE YOUR WAY   SLUMBERLAND 026 7"
        SMALL FACTORY   SUGGESTIONS     COLLISION TIME  7"
        SMALL FACTORY   WHAT TO WANT    SLUMBERLAND 013 7"
$15.00  SOUP DRAGONS    THE SUN IN THE SKY EP   SUBWAY 02       7"
$4.00   SOUP DRAGONS    WHOLE WIDE WORLD        SUBWAY 04       7"
$5.00   SPIRITUALIZED   SMILE/SWAY      DEDICATED 3     7"
$20.00  STEREOLAB       DOUBT/CHANGER   DUPHONIC SUPER 45'S     7"
        STONE ROSES     ELEPHANT STONE  SILVERTONE      7"
        STONE ROSES     WHAT THE WORLD IS WAITING FOR   SILVERTONE      7"
        SWINGS & ROUNDABOUTS EP RILEYS/ACID HOUSE KINGS/HOME & ABROAD   SOMERSAU
T      7"
        TEENAGE FANCLUB EVERYBODY'S FOOL        MATADOR 7"
        TELEVISION PERSONALITIES        PRETTIEST GIRL IN THE WORLD     OVERGROU
D 15   7"
        THAT PETROL EMOTION     GENIUS MOVE     VIRGIN  7"
5       TIGER TRAP/HENRY'S DRESS        ASTRONAUTICAL MUSIC FESTIVAL    SLUMBERL
ND 033 7"
        TREE FORT ANGST BUZZING WITH BEAUTY & WONDER    VELODROME       7"
        TREE FORT ANGST TILTING AT WINDMILLS    BUS STOP 039    7"
        VELOCITY GIRL   MY FORGOTTEN FAVOURITE  SLUMBERLAND 010 7"
        VELVET CRUSH    SOUL CRUSHER EP SUMMERSHINE 09  7"
        WEATHER PROPHETS        ALMOST PRAYED   CRE 029 dbl 7"
        WEATHER PROPHETS        ALMOST PRAYED   CRE 029 7"
        WEATHER PROPHETS        ALWAYS THE LIGHT        CRE 056 7"
        WHITE TOWN      ALAIN DELON EP  PARASOL 8       7"
        WHITE TOWN      ALL SHE SAID    PARASOL 4       7"
        WHITE TOWN      WHITE TOWN      SATYA 1 7"
        WHORL   MAYBE IT'S BETTER       SLUMBERLAND 011 7"
$5.00   VELOCITY GIRL/TSUNAMI   CHRISTMAS SPLIT SIMPLE MACHINES 7"
        McCARTHY/A HOUSE        SOUNDS MACHINE SAMPLER  SOUNDS  7"
$3.50   TWO FOR THE PRICE OF ONE FANZINE/EP             W.MIST/S.SET    7"
        CUDGELS/DUFFLECOATS/KIND                WAAAAH  7"
        STRAWBERRY STORY/DALEK BEACH PARTY/KIND         WAAAAH  7"
        HAPPY HOLIDAYS EP       GOTW/W.TOWN/3HTOUR/CB&SG        PARASOL 7"
        PALESAINTS/FRENTE/JPS EXPERIENCE/J HATFIELD SPLIT               WHITE   
"
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   |\/\/\/|     Dave Harris : season@werple.net.au
   |      |     Season : Flat 3, 41 Shelley St, Elwood, 3184
   |      |              Victoria, Australia.
   | (o)(o)     Ph/Fax : 61 3 9 531 5049
   C      _)    P.S "this is an interesting signature" (smiley face)
    | ,___|
    |   /
   /____\
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:06:26 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: unrelative to 4ad


Hi,

I just wanted to know if there was some sort of mailing list for people
wanting to buy/sell/trade cd's, records, etc...  I know there is a newsgroup
but my internet service provider is messing up pretty bad at this time and I
can't get any messages through.  So my only outlet is e-mail so I hope you
can understand.
Please e-mail me if you have any info.  Thanks a million.
love,

-zelzah.
zelzah@sat.net

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:33:38 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: long shot (other mailing list talk)


this is kind of a long shot here, but does anyone know what happened to the
suede and boo radleys mailing lists (and the other ones located at
kuci.uci.edu)?  when i got back a couple of weeks ago and tried to resub,
the majordomo was gone.

thanks,

BiZ

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:33:28 -0800
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: Heidi Berry


Heidi Berry put out a single of the Moon and the Sun with some unreleased
tracks on it.  I found a copy at a local Tower Records in the Singles
section.

On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, Jonathan Smith, JDHS, Juneau, AK wrote:

> I'm very interrested in knowing if Heidi Berry has anything released
> (foreign/domestic) other than Below th Waves and her self-titled.  Also, I
> know she put out an albu called Love (UK?), does anybody know here I can
> get a copy?
>

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:43:13 -0600
From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Re: His Name is Alive, ugh.


>...and Marvyn makes three.
>

>Maybe in discussing Livonia as "noise"; neitzl@TEZCAT.COM is simply stating
>that the CD seems like a bunch of discordant fragments.  (That's how I feel
>anyway.)  It never really adds up to anything; as many times as I listen to
>it, I still don't "get it".
>
Marvyn,
  That is exactly what i find with this album. I decided to pop it in again
and listen to it, maybe i was a bit harsh or something.  But again i find
myself saying, noise...tho most of it is quite basic.  But when for a whole
song, the lead sings in one note, a pretty bad one at that...monotony.  Even
a song i HAD enjoyed when i first bought it, stank this time. :)
  The pictures sure are purty...but oh well.
"You are the sweetness in my eyes            You are an apple in disguise
 You are the sweetness i need for life       You are the sweetness in my eyes"

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:21:13 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: the doom generation


You wrote:
>
>Saw this soundtrack in the music store the other day and noticed that
Slowdive
>(unfortunatly I don't remember which song) was one of tracks on it.
It also
>has
>a pretty good smattering of this-listy bands.  That's when I realized,
damn, it
>was playing last weekend but doesn't look like its on the schedule
anymore at
>the local theatre.  Anyone seen seen this movie?  How is the
soundtrack?

movie wasn't even here one night in minneapolis, have the soundtrack.
got it used and it's good listening, although i'm not a fan of
pizzacato five and a couple others like them.  got it for $6.00 used as
in the store is selling its in store promo copy and i benefit used.
cheers, euthelene

>
>If this has already been covered and I have just been reading my mail
with
>my eyes closed, please just send me a summary.
>
>
>
>--
>~~~~~~~~~~>>
>tOM.
tom@iresearch.com
>
www.iresearch.com
>                                                                  _
.
>"Occasionally, I tread water for three days in a row."       ((  ( ))
o)
>                                                            -|    ?
|-
>   .   .                                                     (o ((_)
))
>513 321 8644                                                 .
>   ^   ^
>

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:39:39 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: cocteau twins (for the foothill hs guy only)


sorry to clutter the list with this, but i tried mailing the guy
personally, and it didn't go through.  thanks.



>>Hi!
>>
>>I sent the message to the list about the Cocteau box set.  I only received
>>part of or am not clear on your response.  Were you curious about the
>>Cocteau Cd's I have extra copies of?  They are Love's Easy Tears,
>>Victorialans, and Head Over Heels/Sunburst and Snowblind.
>>
>
>actually, no.  what you got was sort of a joke i was making.  someone had
>replied to your message, and in the body of their message was:
>
>"Foothill High School Associated Student Body wrote:"
>
>and i was jokingly asking if the entire student body had written the
>message, except i wasn't too clear about that.  sorry about the
>misunderstanding.  i'm actually not too big of a ct fan.  i have blue bell
>knoll and otherness.  i like both of them, but i listen to them
>infrequently enough that i don't feel it necessary to buy anymore of their
>stuff, though i like otherness a great deal (i listen to that one quite a
>bit -- i especially like the new version of "feet like fins")  liz is quite
>good on fsol's "lifeforms" ep as well (have you heard it?)
>
>sorry about the mixup,
>
>BiZ

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:48:39 -0500
From: Sargent David Edward (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: my three cents


        i put hnia albums on such a pedestal that i will
       no listen to them passively. that is to say, when
      i listen to one of their albums, i won't study or read
     or do anything else that would distract me from concentrating
    on the music. warren's use of channels and sonic distortion
   is absolutely incredible. just the way that a repeated word changes
  sound while still being the same word is compelling. for example,
 the opening loop on livonia sounds like "jahwe jahwe" but changes
to "how do you how do you". way ahead of his time.
        it seems to me that the doom generation soundtrack is just
       some lame marketing device for an even lamer movie. all the
      tracks are purported to be "new" or "unavailable". bullshit.
     someone's just trying to get the old rarity juices flowing.
        i just borrowed a friend's copy of the M/A/R/R/S single.
       it kicks some serious booty. it was released here by 4th
      and broadway, a subsidiary of island, methinks. is it still
     available? i want my own damned copy! i had to buy the "my
    stepmother is an alien" soundtrack to get the song when i was
   a high schooler.

dave (desarg@mail.wm.edu) "when the drum beats go like this"
*-->"these guys are from england and who gives a shit!"-
casey kasem

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:00:43 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: CT


>I have been a long time admirer of the Cocteau Twins.  Recently, I  heard a
>rumor that Elizabeth Frazer of Cocteau Twins passed away.  Is this true?

No. But the rumors about Michael Stipe, Eddie Vedder and Paul McCartney
being dead are true. We're not sure about the Kurt Cobain rumore, reports
are still confused and contradictory.

>Has Cocteau Twins released anything recently?

Yes, two EPs in October and November: "Twinlights" and "Otherness". One
unplugged, the other ambient.

>  And are they still tied to
>4AD? There last full length release was on Capitol?

They left 4AD in 1991. Capitol just releases their stuff in the US,
they're actually signed to Fontana.

>P.S.  what was the name of the graphic designer who did many of the early CT
>releases.  John something-or-other??

Y'know, maybe you should read the FAQ first, it would clear up many
things for you.


By the way, there is a Cocteau Twins mailing list. Address in the FAQ.

__________
Jens Alfke __________________          _________________________
           jens@mooseyard.com          http://www.inow.com/~jens
       ________________________________________________________________
       This segment's question is whether the 7th angle of the diatonic
       flange grids should be amended! Blue or amber?

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 02:30:43 +0100
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: The Charlatans Digest Mailing List



                     The Charlatans Digest mailing list

   After reading the Charlatans mailing list for a while, and gathering
   messages into digests for my own use, and receiving requests for them
   from a bunch of people, I've finally set up a distribution list for the
   Digest, with the consent from Eirik (who runs this live list).

   The list is called "Then", and the administratrivia (ie. "Subscribe",
   "Unsubscribe" and so on) address is:

                        then-request@lysator.liu.se

   It's not a "Daily" Digest. Rather, digests are sent out to the subscribers
   when collected posts reach a size of about 40k. To this date there are
   6 digests, starting November 7th, 1995, named char-101.txt to char-105.txt
   and char-201.txt (1996) available on request (to the administratrivia
   address) and in HTML-format from the Scandinavian Indie WWW pages at:

                 http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/then.html

   and in ASCII format through FTP from:

                   ftp.lysator.liu.se  /pub/texts/uxu/then


 See you then :-),
 //Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se)

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:04:39 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP- & HNIA-bashing


I have to chime in in defense of these bands...
OF COURSE obsessing is what RHP is about... but its wonderful. No he
doesn't whine, but it does take a little bit of investment from the
listener to get to a place where you can deal with the melancholy that
dominates these records. Once you can deal with that, they are really
wonderful things.

As for HNIA... I think all their albums are worthwhile... every on eof
them really 'pushes the envelope' as they say. I disagree that 'Livonia'
is 'imperfect and embryonic'. I think its a dark brooding masterpiece!
It is embryonic in the sense that its the first place that Wareren starts
playing around with the things that make a song go... but every time I
listen to this record its like a strange dream that hovers on the edge of
a really creepy nightmare and an oddly disturbing  rainy afternoon,
trapped in my flat and in my head...
'Home is in yer Head', I always thought was a bit too scattered... but
there's gems in the dust.
Good luck finding 'Mouth by Mouth' in my opinion this record is their
best work. Mostly because they bring all their strangeness much closer to
the surface of a pop song and they really amke you aware of the way they
are questioning music.
BTW there's a bootleg disc out there that's called "King of Sweet" by HNIA...
if yer into them this is wonderful.. dark meandering revisions of lots of
their best...

I cant wait for Warren's forthcoming collaboration with Ian Masters!

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 11:50:52 -0500
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Bedazzled and Johanna's House of Glamour

              

> Where did they get that name from? I know of a movie of that name that was
> supposedly very good, and I have an EP of a band called Beddazzled which is
> five remixes of music from the same move, but the band consists of Chris
> Conolly (Revco, ministry, pigface, Murder inc, most any other industrial
> band) and the bassist from The Jesus Lizzard, the band never struck me as
> thislisty and I'm not sure if their is a connection or not, but I am very
> curious.
>

The name Bedazzled was lifted from the movie.  It came out sometime in
the 60's (?) and 'starred' Dudley Moore.  Quite funny!  The Bedazzled ep
is actually by a group called The Love Interest (aka Martin Atkins,
Chris Connelly, etc.) doing various versions of the Bedazzled theme
song, which was written by Dudley.

Hope that clears it all up.

Steve @ Bedazzled


PS.   there's some talk about Johanna's House of Glamour lately so I
thought i'd throw out what little info I have.  I do speak with Dan
frequently.  Right now the band is working on an ambient (?) project
under the name 'Spectral Assignment' for some ambient label based out
of NYC.  It should see the light of day later this year.  Dan says they
are having a blast doing this because they are just sending in tapes to
the label who is then 'totally reworking' them into some ambient
monster.

As for Johanna's proper, the last thing they did was 'As Far As Forever'
on the Bedazzled "Woke Up Smiling" comp.  I think it's one of the best
songs they've ever done.  Fred Abong (from Belly) has been playing with
them and a certain Ms. Hersh has reportedly expressed an interest in
producing some of their songs !!!

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:01:11 -0500
From: anaconda (anaconda@wwa.com)
Subject: Re: RHP- & HNIA-bashing


In article , you wro
>        After some thought about what e said, that RHP are essentially
>about "whining and obsessing", I must disagree. After thinking through
>RHP songs, I'd say that Mark never whines and almost never really
>obsesses. If he does obsess, it's done with no small amount of subtlety.

Hehe...while I love RHP, what Mark lives, breathes and shits is his
obsession with some old girlfriend/relationship...that is not completely
bad since it did drive 2 full albums and a smattering of other songs.
As for the Ocean Beach and Rollercoaster CDs, I would tend to agree
they are more introspective and reflective in nature. He still
wants to sing about the past...never the future or present it seems..
but again, that is what _i_ find great about them.

>His lyrics are usually quite emotional, but are also consistently
>circumspect; that, I think, is the key word in describing his whole
>demeanor as it comes across in the songs. I can still imagine someone
>else holding a reasonable point of view that would see Mark in a somewhat
>less positive light; this is just the way I see it.

If people slag him because of his stage persona, I suppose it
is understandable. When they played chicago, the first time
at least, they gave me no impression of a bad attitude though.
A bonus was that they were hanging out on the floor between
their set and encore...now if only I were more familiar with
song titles and requested Japanese to English.......

>        I noticed that those who criticized HNIA used "Livonia" as their
>basis for doing so; but I think "Livonia" is quite an imperfect album;
>too embryonic to yield a full taste of their sound. "Home Is In Your
>Head" is the definitive HNIA album, however, and I think it should
>definitely be listened to, more than once, before one makes a final
>judgment about HNIA. It is far more diverse but also more cohesive than


Ah, you have almost taken the words from my mouth. After reading a few
posts about Livonia, I thought, "why not give it a listen". Now, the
fact that I haven't listened to this album in years should indicate
that it did not have much staying power. Some time later I bought
Home is In Your Head and fell in love. Livonia was the rough demo
for what was to come...if you have everything else, then try Livonia,
otherwise I would suggest saving it for last.

>Nevertheless, "Livonia" is good, and is certainly more than "just noise".

Yes.

>        As for "Mouth By Mouth", I don't have it yet (but I've ordered it

You will appreciate it ;} It isn't as good as Home Is In your Head, but
it is still magnificient. And then there is King of Sweet....a very
fun CD if you like HIIYH...since it is mostly outtakes from there.

Now for my plug...if anyone is looking for a copy of King Of Sweet,
I happened upon another one last week and will trade it to anyone
that can produce a copy of The Klaxon by And Also The Trees. ;}

-bob
--
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Sometimes the sky is full of birds,
       But mostly it is empty..........&att
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:39:29 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Cocteau Twins 'Otherness'


I have been out of the country for 2 weeks and probably missed a whole bunch
of stuff about this topic. But could anyone give a quick
review/opinion/description of the latest Cocteau Twins effort? Also is it an
album or an EP and is it available in the US yet?

thanks for baring with me

-nb-

*In shreds, I stare down at the streets
 yearning for sleep, that blissfull escape
 when it comes it's always too late.

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 06:25:10 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: chapeterhouse (non 4ad)


You wrote:
>
>hi.  the other day i saw chapterhouse's blood music again, except it
was
>packaged like an ep, had six tracks with funny names, and the entire
thing
>was remixed by global communication.  blood music was a crap album,
imo,
>but the remixes on the original bonus disc weren't bad.  question:  is
this
>six-song remix album worth it?  any g.c. remixes (including reload)
i've
>heard have been fab and i was very tempted to buy it.  but there was
other
>stuff calling my name, so i avoided it -- perhaps temporarily.

HOW EVER MUCH IT WAS!!!! I'LL GIVE YOU DOUBLE! NO JOKE!!!!!!! I'VE BEEN
LOOKING FOR THAT FOREVER :):):):) that is if you don't want to keep it
for yourself, and if that is so... could you please please make me a
copy!!!! :)  (alright, enough begging.)
                        -bobb.

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:34:57 +0100
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" (lapierre@MICRONET.FR)
Subject: Re: ESP-Continent Worldwide Mail Order!


>> Price is $20, which include postage rates (for USA and wordlwide), payable
>> by IMO (Inernational Mail Order) to Karina Square, or simply cash.
>
>$20 in. . . U.S. dollars?  ??

Yes, US dollars... (I do not often think Canadian dollars exist, sorry)

                         ___
Laurent Lapierre        |-,-|            This CD is playing randomly:

lapierre@micronet.fr    | - |     Rhonda Harris _s/t_ (a good value!)

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:40:53 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Defever-fest Tapes (hisnameisaLIVE tapes)


Would everyone who asked for a copy of the Defever-fest tapes please e-mail
me back via private e-mail so I can once again get up-to-date on that.  I
just lost all my old e-mail when I installed a new hard drive..and well I'm
complaining.

Anyway,  I intend to make good.

The only one I actually have a tape/$ from is Sung Shim (I don't have your
e-mail address, but I am making the tape as I type... it'll be in the mail
tomorrow if all goes well with artwork, etc.)

I also need the guy from 4AD to respond as well...sorry, lost your e-mail
address too...  i don't know which address to send the tape to... mail order
address (the po box) or 15 Alma Road???  does it even matter???  And does the
swap offer still stand?  I'd also like to send one to Keren for being so
peachy!!!  tell her thanx for the postcards!!!  they're beaut!

kind of odd i should have only 4 inquiries about the tape on a list of 400
people though...

hhmmm.

-blue
blubelknol@aol.com

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:17:26 +0000
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice


Simon Hughes wrote:

> Isn't it, ahem, axiomatic that any group named after a scientific
> principle, axiom, law, experiment, thing etc. is automatically crap.
> Something to do with an excess of the wrong kind of intellectualism.  I'm
> sure I've seen loads of examples, but right now I can only think of Red
> Shift.

With the possible exception of Van Der Graaf Generator, that is.

--
Jon Kvebaek 

Teleport and exteriorization equipment can be constructed by any boy
mechanic in his basement workshop. References are 'Collected Works of
Willam Reich', 'Journeys Out of the Body' by Robert A. Monroe.
                             - William S. Burroughs, "Port of Saints"

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 21:51:16 -0500
From: GREGG AGINS (clockone@PIPELINE.COM)
Subject: Re: Red Hot: Offbeat 2/2/96-NYC


On Jan 26, 1996 20:32:31, 'AWerks2@AOL.COM' wrote:


>For those interested in the Skylab performance on this night, Skylab will
NOT
>be performing live.  Matt Ducasse of Skylab, however, will be DJ'ing at
the
>party.
>
>If you can't make the evening of the 2nd, Matt will also be DJ'ing
Wednesday,
>January 31 @ Static along with DJ Lovegrove (Sonic Soul, Baltimore) and DJ

>Brian (Open, NYC).
>
>Static is located @ Void, 16 Mercer St, NYC.  $5.  for more info contact
>satamile@pipeline.com or call 212.330.9114.
>

Brian, thanks, will be out of town on the 31st, where is the deal at on the
2nd?

Keep me in mind for future shows.

Gregg

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 20:29:11 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Earwig


>Hoping to generate another discussion on the brilliance of Insides, I
>have recently gotten ahold of two Earwig albums...'Past' and 'Under My
>Skin I Am Laughing'.  'Past' has a date of 1992 on it, and I am
>assuming it is their first release.  It's a lot rougher than
>'Euphoria', and relies more on guitars than drum loops.  I think its
>rather good, although I was surprised the first time I listened to it.
>'Under My Skin...' was released in 1994, a year after 'Euphoria', and
>to which it is very similar.
>
>So, is this all that they have released?  There have been several
>discussions about Insides on this list before, but I don't remember
>'Past' ever being mentioned.

they have numerous eps under the name earwig (sorry -- don't have any of
them) and a (temporary?) release on guernica called clearskin that no one
mentions very often even though it is absolutely brilliant.  i think (not
sure on this one, anyone care to back me up?) it's temporary b/c the catalog
number starts with TU rather than GU, which is what the other guernica
releases have.

last i heard, vinyl ink had several of the earwig eps.

BiZ

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:31:14 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice


On Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:42:43 GMT, h95dm2 wrote:

>>What about the Fall, named after Galileo's famous experiment at Pisa?
>
>>Yours,
>>Paul
>
>Wasnwere'nt The Fall named after the book by Albert Camus ?
>

No, you see Galileo firmly established the principle that obese
bishops fall at the same rate as starving musicians in a vacuum (ie a
cultural and economic milieu that does not favor the bishops). An
inspiration to dockworker/vocalists everywhere (especially
Manchester).

Yours,
Paul

The final elegance, not to console
Nor sanctify, but plainly to propound.

 Wallace Stevens, "Notes Toward a Supreme Fiction"

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:35:56 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Axiom of Choice

              <31054630.905@slic.com>

Paul wrote:

>"Axiom of Choice"
>
>Can anyone tell me anything about this band? I ask because I saw a very
>brief review that compared them to DCD, and because, as a fallen
>mathematician, I can't resist the moniker.

Isn't it, ahem, axiomatic that any group named after a scientific
principle, axiom, law, experiment, thing etc. is automatically crap.
Something to do with an excess of the wrong kind of intellectualism.  I'm
sure I've seen loads of examples, but right now I can only think of Red
Shift.

Simon Hughes

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:11:03 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: WTB: Livonia and Home Is In Your Head


Am looking for these two CDs for a while.

Ciao!

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 17:01:58 -0800
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Lilliput


Forgive my weird ignorance. This Lilliput seems to be a very prized item. What
is it exactly? I assume it is extremly rare.
Please someone explain...

-nb-

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 19:39:19 -0500
From: DJ Guile (guile@DHP.COM)
Subject: Re: chapeterhouse (non 4ad)


On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, the boy in zinc wrote:

> hi.  the other day i saw chapterhouse's blood music again, except it was
> packaged like an ep, had six tracks with funny names, and the entire thing
> was remixed by global communication.  blood music was a crap album, imo,
> but the remixes on the original bonus disc weren't bad.  question:  is this
> six-song remix album worth it?  any g.c. remixes (including reload) i've
> heard have been fab and i was very tempted to buy it.  but there was other
> stuff calling my name, so i avoided it -- perhaps temporarily.
>
is it worth it?   yes, yes, yes, and YES!!
the album is called pentamorous metamorphisis.  there are five tracks called
alpha phase, beta phase, gamma phase, delta phase, and epsilon phase and i
think are supposed to correspond to the 5 stages of sleep or something.
excellent ambient stuff with very little recognizable bits from the original
album. definitely worth it if you dig previous global communication and
FSOL-type stuff. oh yeah, it is a full-length clocking in at 60+ minutes.

> thanks,
>
> BiZ
>
--jason

dj guile is jason milletary     |       "are you one to hang with the ghost?"
guile@dhp.com                   |                       -- sg
jasonm@nba19.med.uth.tmc.edu    |

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:06:48 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: "Scene but not herd"


I have listened to this disc a million times, but not heard those words.

I think their are just a very flip and very poignant take on the brit
music scene.  ie PS got corralled into a 'scene' for a while, but they
are most definately NOT part of a 'herd'.

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:42:47 +0000
From: HOA NGO (hhngo@sfsu.edu)
Subject: RHP nominated for award


After reading about all the RHP bashing as of late, I thought it my
duty to let you all know that they have been nominated by B.A.M.
magazine (San Francisco Bay Area Music) for an Oustanding
Alternative Album award (for _Ocean Beach_). The Bammies won't be
held until March 9th, so those of us who actually like RHP will be
crossing our fingers until then...


Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 23:35:57 -0500
From: Kelly Kristin Leigh (kkelly@UCET.UFL.EDU)
Subject: Re: LUSH and volkswagons

              <9602232018.AA29992@cabell.vcu.edu>

old news.  I think it's superblast off Spooky.


Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 23:13:05 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Whereforartthou 4ad-l 1995 poll


I hope I see the rest of poll before I get old.

I've mislayed the email address of this year's poll tally person, who
neglected to post that portion of the poll results I give a damn about,
namely fave 1995 releases by non-4ad bands..

D. Stephen Roy  //\\  Die in your thoughts every morning and
dsroy@rice.edu  \\//  you will no longer fear death - Hakakure

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 01:06:38 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Tarnation UK/Euro tour


Someone mentioned that Tarnation had fallen by the 4AD wayside.  These dates
at "the site" suggest otherwise--

March 5, Wheelans-Dublin
March 7, Dingwalls-London
March 8, Louisiana-Bristol
March 10, The Arena-Amsterdam
March 11, Bellevue Club-Brussles
March 13, Szene-Vienna
March 15, Bikini Test in La Chaux de Fond and at El International in Zurich.

If anyone tapes these shows, we at srilank@aol.com will gladly accept your
dubs :)

jason

srilank@aol.com

Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:10:34 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: LUSH and volkswagons


You wrote:
>
>old news.  I think it's superblast off Spooky.
>

No it's sweetness and light off gala?

Did anyone see the Megadeth one where the car explodes? pretty cool!

                                Brain


Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 02:03:42 -0500
From: TMParade@AOL.COM
Subject: Kelley Deal info


I was looking through a local store's used CD section and found an advance
promo CD for a Willie Nelson tribute comp that features a Kelley Deal and
Kris Kristofferson (sp?) (!) duet! I didn't buy the CD, but I remember the
liner notes saying she was from Solid State (not the Breeders!) and courtesy
of Nice Records. I forgot what song she sang, too. But the CD features The
Presidents of the USA and L7, I believe.

So, anyone know of any Solid State releases on Nice Records? I guess that
means 4AD will have nothing to do with SS?


Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:43:30 CET
From: "Gaveston, Gaveston, I'm hooked on you" (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.EDU.PL)
Subject: TMC backwards


I have been wondering recently: does anybody know what is this track which
is recorded backwards somewhere in the second part of 'Blood'? You, guys with
soundboards, could perhaps check for it?

Adam Olszewski
adamradv@plearn.edu.pl


Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 06:55:12 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: "Hey Hey Hey I've got it! Warren DeFEVER!!!!!!"


>
> And the best part of this thing is, is that it will be worth sweet FA in 2009 
ue
> to its non-existance.
>

could somebody pleeze tell me what the expression 'sweet FA' means/stands
for?  it seems to be coming up alot lately (new love and rockets album is
called sweetFA, and hell, there's even a line in the song 'sleeping
pills' by suede using the expression...)

much grass

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 07:01:12 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: LUSH and volkswagons


On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Holly A. Hopey wrote:

> Ijust wanted to know if I was hearing right...  I've seen a
> commercial for the new Volkswagon Passat (or however you spell it)
> and I swear that Lush provided the backround vocals.  Has anyone
> seen this; or is this old news?
>
> Holly
>

i saw the passat ad yesterday for the first time.  i love/drive
volkswagens, and strangely, dislike lush...


Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 03:54:41 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Any flourheads still here?


Thought this might interest...well, someone...maybe. (Though if I'm
hardly even interested anymore, I have to wonder.) Whatever happened to
Heretic-Toc the Eastre Clock?

 e

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Sun, 25 Feb 96 23:44:30 EST
From: klaatu (klaatu@nando.net)
Subject: Re: questionaire?


Naw, Carl isn't doing the Death Metal crap. He dumped that
band & went back to the drawing board with ol' AL JOURGENSON 
of Ministry. Remember the talk about Carl having two bands?
Its because the first one went metal & sounded shitty. They wanted
to go that way so he left them & took his band name with him.
Hopefully, the new album with the WaxTrax/Ministry influence
will really help Carl find his niche. I wouldn't be surprised if
Carl's new band had memebers of Skinny Puppy in it since they've
gone belly up now. I subscribed to Beggers Banquet's new E-List
& got from their rep. confirmation of Carl scrapping band#1 &
now working with Al on band/sound #2. but that was a few months ago
& I haven't heard anything from Beggers in ages. They were calling
this new second attempt's album Zoon.

Here's what beggers said last year:

-----In Reference To-----------------------------------------------------
Carl McCoy has finished his first album since the demise of the Fields of
the Nephilim . A single should be released in Oct/Nov with the Lp coming
out in the new year- Carl is designing the artwork himself and there will
undoubtedly be a deluxe packaged ltd edition version...
The sound is closerto death metal/ministry/industrial at times but te
vocals are unmistakably Nephilim-esque
E mail info on: nefilim@beggbanq.demon.co.uk

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 07:23:48 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: adventures in nowhere


Tishbite will be released in the usa on march 11, sez simon r....
(i love getting mail from the cocteau twins)

dan

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 07:06:22 -0500
From: "oren, mefus a chedno" (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Ivy/VW ad


>Ivy is one of those bands that makes you realize light-and-fluffy can often
>be interchanged with subtle lyrics and guitar effects. I love realistic, it
>was one of my favorite (indie) releases from early '95. There's a couple
>other EPs out, most notably the first single they released ("Get Enough"
>from Realistic) and this one called "I Hate December" which is just as good
>as the album for the three or four songs that are on it.

The EP with "I Hate December" on it is actually called "Lately", unless you
have another version of it or something. It has a neat Orange Juice cover on
it too.

>>I recognize most of the bands in these commercials except for one
>>that interests me.  It's a guy singing "Are you free are you really
>>free, are you are you are you are you really free."  Then it sounds
>>like the beach boys.  The guys voice sounds a bit like Robyn Hitchcock.
>>
>>Can anybody identify this one for me?
>
>I believe the voice belongs to Genesis P-Orridge of Psychic TV/Throbbing
>Gristle fame.

I was wondering who that was too, if only because the song annoyed me so
much. Way too perky.

Larry, not from Michigan, hasn't been there, isn't interested

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:46:58 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: LUSH and Folksvagens

              at Feb 25, 96 03:50:21 pm

"Matthew A. Neimark"  wrote:
>
> I recognize most of the bands in these commercials except for one
> that interests me.  It's a guy singing "Are you free are you really
> free, are you are you are you are you really free."  Then it sounds
> like the beach boys.  The guys voice sounds a bit like Robyn Hitchcock.
>
> Can anybody identify this one for me?
>

My first thought was "John Otway and Wild Willy Barrett" (eccentric
rural comedy punk act, unlikely ever to have crossed the Atlantic).
Their one hit record was "Really Free", which had the chorus "Really
free, really free, really really really freaking me".  Sounds nothing
like the Beach Boys, though.  May I also say I don't come from
Minnesota, or whichever state it was that people were asking about.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 26/02/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Felt

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:51:07 +0000
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Sweet FA


>could somebody pleeze tell me what the expression 'sweet FA'
means/stands
>for?  it seems to be coming up alot lately (new love and rockets album
is
>called sweetFA, and hell, there's even a line in the song 'sleeping
>pills' by suede using the expression...)
>

Contrary to what a lot of people might think, Sweet FA actually stands for
Sweet Fanny Adams, a young girl who was an insignificant victim of a
Victorian serial killer (I think...)

It means "absolutely nothing, not a single, solitary thing!"

Chris ]}:>


Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 03:12:36 PST
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Sweet FA


This means nothing, zip, zero, bugger-all and lo and behold "sweet fuck-all" i.e
 sweet fa.
Of course FA also refers to Football Association, but when I wrote this message,
soccer
was not on my mind.

Chris

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 05:34:27 -0800
From: Paul (pauld@BEST.COM)
Subject: Re: TMC backwards


At 10:43 AM 2/26/96 CET, you wrote:
>I have been wondering recently: does anybody know what is this track which
>is recorded backwards somewhere in the second part of 'Blood'? You, guys with
>soundboards, could perhaps check for it?
>
>Adam Olszewski
>adamradv@plearn.edu.pl
>
>
If your talking about the song "Bitter" on the "Blood" LP, I tried with my
4-track but I still can't understand it. It sounds like effects were added
after it was recorded backwards, making it weird in either direction.

BTW, after about an hour of playing with it, it occured to me we're not
talking about a band with some kind publicity agenda, (LedZeppelin, Beatles)
and that maybe it's just there because it sounds good. However, I'm still
curious so I hope other people will try to figure it out.

-Paul

P.S. If I had to fathom a guess however, I think the voice was saying: "Air
Miami are worthy of 4AD".

Woo, Chilling!


Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:39:15 EST
From: "Matthew A. Neimark" (mattn@MIT.EDU)
Subject: LUSH and volkswagons


The lush commerical on Volkwagon is definitely positively sweetness and
light.  Unless there are two (or more commercials), it is not superblast.

Anyway, I was dissapointed nobody had anything to say about the second
part of my last message.  That is, do you ever dream up great songs
in the middle of the night only to wake up the next morning having
forgotten what they sound like?


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Matt Neimark                      (617)225-7450
143 Albany St.
Cambridge, Ma 02139


Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:12:48 +0000
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: L-ove's U-nderstated S-ecret H-andshake

>

Picked up the new Lush today
and for those who don't know
Cd1 -BAD 6002 CD
1.Ladykillers
(written by Miki Berenyi)
2.Matador
(Phil King)
3.Ex
(m.b)
4.Dear Me
(M.B.)
CD2 -BAD D 6002 CD
1.Ladykillers
(M.B)
2.Heavenly
(M.B)
3.Carmen
(emma Anderson/M.B)
4.Plums and Oranges
(E.A)

7" AD6002
1.Ladykillers
(M.B.)
2. Wanna be Your Girlfriend
(Dunbar/Gangwer)

Plus heard a live studio session on the radio

where the played
1.Heavenly bodies
2.500
3.Ladykillers
4.Mannequin (by wire)

I heard a Scheer live studio session and interview aswell last week
Tracks
1. howling Boy
2. Shea
3.Demon
4. The one off FTww

Highlight of the week was Nick Cave and PJ Harvey on T.V.


'H'y
Snapper - http://asegweb.ohm.york.ac.uk/tsb/music.html

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:36:02 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Cocteau Twins EP cheap(er)


In case no one has noticed; Tower Records has both "Twinlights" and
"Otherness" for $7.77 each on sale this month.  This is the cheapest I've ever
seen them and so I finally broke down and bought both of them.  Trust me; I
don't think you'll find them cheaper anywhere.  (Best Buy even wanted $9.99
for each!)  Buy now; or you'll wish you had them later.


marvynHortman      Director FAQ --> ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us


Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:41:41 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: "Hey Hey Hey I've got it! Warren DeFEVER!!!!!!"

> from "daniel klyn" at Feb 26,
              96 06:55:12 am

daniel klyn  wrote:
 >
 > > And the best part of this thing is, is that it will be worth
 > > sweet FA in 2009 due to its non-existance.
 >
 > could somebody pleeze tell me what the expression 'sweet FA'
 > means/stands for?  it seems to be coming up alot lately (new
 > love and rockets album is called sweetFA, and hell, there's even
 > a line in the song 'sleeping pills' by suede using the
 > expression...)

Either "Fanny Adams" or "Fuck All".  Fanny Adams was a young girl who
was murdered at about the turn of the century and found (I think) at
railway stations in several bits in trunks - her name became a sick
slang name for tinned mutton during the first world war, and hence for
anything worthless.  The explanation for the alternative is probably
obvious.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 26/02/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Felt


Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:06:01 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: yeah, that 7" from defevery people...


Anyone know what Shaolin Temple is asking in $ for these suckers?

Mike


Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:08:53 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: yeah, that 7" from defevery people...


On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Heffalump wrote:

> Anyone know what Shaolin Temple is asking in $ for these suckers?
>
> Mike
>
three bucks i think, if you live in the continental 48 states of amerikkka.


dan


Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:02:40 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: ESP Summer CD-ROM (fwd)


Here's the response to the 'more info, please' I sent.
What's Oneironaut?

PS - every '^\' should be a '?'.

Mike

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: 25 Feb 96 14:01:56 EST
From: spoonfed maximus (101526.2274@compuserve.com)
Subject: ESP Summer CD-ROM



Hey there Michael...sorry to have to tell you the cd-rom is on hold
indefinitely because of   considerations...it was quite a way towards
being finished by friends of the ESP Constellation when the problem
reared its ugly head-part...the audio cd will be released quite soon by
Perdition Plastics in your country....in the meantime here's some other
stuff...

ESP SUMMER 10"
    ...available in a couple of weeks time, a 6-7 track 10"e.p. (on
Farrago from Texas: P.O. Box 13148, Houston, Texas 77219, U.S.A.) of
pre-mixes from the above mentioned Mars is a Ten album at the following
save-as-you-pay prices per copy:
   5.50  if you live in the U.K.
   6.00  if you live in Europe
   6.50  if you live anywhere else
 (If you live in U.S.A. or Canada it's best to contact Farrago directly)

SCARY VERLAINE/THE SUN ALWAYS CHANGES MY MIND - SPOONFED HYBRID 7"
...spoonfed hybrid come out of hibernation shock...a very limited 7" has
been released in France...featuring two new songs,
"Scary Verlaine" and "The Sun Always Changes My Mind"  pressed on clear
vinyl and with beautiful photos by spoonfed fiend nicholas de Villiers
and mouth-watering three panel translucent sleeve by Michael at
rawpawgraphics in London:
   3.00 if you live in the U.K.
   3.50 if you live in Europe
   4.00 if you live in U.S.A. or Canada
   4.25 if you live anywhere else

COMING SOON
    ...in the near future, a mono 7" (also on Perdition Plastics,
somewhere in the U.S.), a Spoonfed Hybrid special 5 track CD (on Farrago
again) with participation in pretty much the first degree from the
spanish cow himself, Warren Defever...and solo 7" single by Oneironaut
(on the Derby label from California, U.S.A.)...

Prices include postage & packing. Send to 55 Ritherdon Rd, London, SW17 8QE,
England (cheques/international money orders in sterling only please made out
to I. Masters)...please enclose stamp/international reply coupon when
writing at other times...e-mail:101526.2274@compuserve.com

    friendly yours...spoonfed maximus

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:23:57 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: LUSH and volkswagons


>> Anyway, I was dissapointed nobody had anything to say about the second
part of my last message.  That is, do you ever dream up great songs
in the middle of the night only to wake up the next morning having
forgotten what they sound like? <<

        Definitely. Great music popping into one's head is a
well-established attendant to hypnogogia.

                          =>} End CD tyranny. {<=


Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:47:00 -0500
From: Jennifer Jamieson (Rmitchel5@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: LUSH and volkswagons


In a message dated 96-02-26 12:39:36 EST, you write:

>Anyway, I was dissapointed nobody had anything to say about the second
>part of my last message.  That is, do you ever dream up great songs
>in the middle of the night only to wake up the next morning having
>forgotten what they sound like?
>
>

no never...

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:27:35 -0500
From: the Trelesta Guardian (winter.solstice@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: IRC efnet #4AD


>Has there ever been an active #4AD? Every time I try, I'm the only one there.

occasionally..I (trelesta, usually) was in there with Spaceman1 the other
day. ::shrug::

trel


Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:47:16 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: 13th Year Itch Video, HNIA and Bros. Quay


Anyone got a copy of this that they are interested in
selling. Also were there any specific videotapes with
HNIA videos only ever released, like a video album?

I am Quay-obsessed as of late. I am still looking for
some insight into the sources of the Bros. Quay's
typefaces used in the HNIA videos and their two
videos of short animated films. If anyone knows any
goof Czech typedesign book that may be good I would
also like to know about them.

Steve

***********************************************************
You wanna see me? Know about me?
Look on this web page under Stevenn:

Atelier Design Communications
Steven Venn, b.f.a. - Graphic Designer
139 Golfclub Court, Richmond Hill,
Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1

(905) 884-2601
(416) 864-1234 ex.4981

                 force of the twentieth century"

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:12:52 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP Summer CD-ROM (fwd)

               of
              Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:02:40 -0800

Thanks for the info Heffalump.

>   What's Oneironaut?

Um... someone who sails through dreams?

-cz

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:08:57 -0600
From: drew rosielle (rosielle@MARLEY.BITSTREAM.NET)
Subject: Re: the new rachel's


i just heard it yesterday, and would add that it, sans locomotives, is
basically chamber music.  very good, tho.  the packaging is amazing, and as
much as i love v23, it is the best album packaging i have seen ever.
except for of course those crazy italian vinyl bootlegs with cheezy pics of
the artists (e.g. big hair'd cure circa 1987) on the vinyl.

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:57:18 -0600
From: monochrome (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: dreamy songs


>Anyway, I was dissapointed nobody had anything to say about the second
>part of my last message.  That is, do you ever dream up great songs
>in the middle of the night only to wake up the next morning having
>forgotten what they sound like?

...that happens to me all of the time.  But not really in dreams because I
think I don't dream too much (I daydream a lot, though).
It usually happens when I am walking around and thinking about stuff and a
beautiful melody comes to my head and I try and repeat it over and over in
my head but something usually comes up and I forget it, which sucks.

...But then again, my guitar playing skills aren't as great as they can be
due to my procrastination, so that brings forth another complication.  I
think I should play with my instrument more often [...the guitar, perverts].
Kinda dumb... I have two guitars, yet, I ain't worth shit when it comes to
playing it.....
                             .....bummer.

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:52:28 +0000
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: (Non-4AD, UK) Stereolab session


Did any of you UK listies manage to tape the John Peel session with
Stereolab? If so, give me a call...

Jon Kvebaek    http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceejok

Teleport and exteriorization equipment can be constructed by any boy
mechanic in his basement workshop. References are 'Collected Works of
Willam Reich', 'Journeys Out of the Body' by Robert A. Monroe.
                             - William S. Burroughs, "Port of Saints"

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:09:02 -0600
From: drew rosielle (rosielle@MARLEY.BITSTREAM.NET)
Subject: Almost a RHP query: hannah marcus


i was wondering if anyone knows anything about hannah marcus--her story her
discography whatever.  i first discovered her in the RHP section of a music
store (her "Weeds and Lilies" cd on the Return to Sender label) because
Mark Kozelek plays on a couple of songs and i guess those goofy guys at the
music store figured no one would buy this disk for any other reason.  which
was probably a prudent plan.  i think this disk was released in 94 or 95.
Yesterday I found an ep by her "Demerol" on the Spirit label.  It has two
songs from weeds and lilies (demerol and invisible bird) and two more
songs.  This ep is from a 1993 session at Mobius in SF with Mark, but it
was released and copyrighted this year.  It also mentions that alternate
versions of demerol and invisible bird appear on "river of darkness," an
album which i and the usually quite informed guys at my local music
addiction enabler had never heard of.  anyway, hannah marcus is my fave
rave and i would appreciate any info.  danke.
drew.



"i've never seen a ceiling quite like this before"


Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 21:08:43 -0500
From: Sargent David Edward (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: searching for apartments cd


well, after getting the tmc box set, i've decided that i must have the
apartments "the evening visits..." album, cd, whatever, i simply must
have it. if any of you out there want to cough it up, please email me
or if you happen to know where i can get it,,,,
or if you can simply make a copy.....
or if you've heard about it and want to tell me what its like....
i love you all....
only one person has taken me up on the free date...what up? am i
not...desirable?
dave (desarg@mail.wm.edu)

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 21:21:04 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Whereforartthou 4ad-l 1995 poll


He's still around somewhere, last I heard (he said, cleverly talking about
himself in the third person).
Four thousand and eighty-two apologies for not having finished the poll off
this past weekend...I had good intentions, but studying for a grad exam,
coaching my wrestling team at states, and planning a new unit for 152 seventh
graders had to take priority.  I promise I will have all the rest posted to
the list by week's end.
If anyone missed the first 2 installments of the results, e-mail me and I'll
send the files to you.
Thanks for your patience!
CJ
CreigJ@aol.com

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 20:37:40 -0600
From: monica (mmsather@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: harold budd


I was wondering if anyone on here likes harold budd....I have a few of his
things, like Moon and the Melodies and Glyph (with Hector Zazou).  But I am
interested in possibly picking up some of his other stuff.  I am looking
for any info or comments that you may have, before I rush off and buy
something....thanks!

monica

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:46:01 -0700
From: Matt Owen (mowen@CAPTAIN.SC.WHECN.EDU)
Subject: Giant Sand


Giant Sand seems to be a really cool concoction.
The only cut I have heard is off of the _Sweet Relief_ album -- that
benefit for Victoria Williams.  It's one of the best songs on the album.

~matt owen (mowen@captain.sc.whecn.edu)

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:48:35 -0700
From: Matt Owen (mowen@CAPTAIN.SC.WHECN.EDU)
Subject: Kelley Deal + Kris Kristofferson


I saw the Willie Nelson tribute album when I was out shopping this weekend.
I believe it's called _Twisted Willie_.
Looks good...but I didn't buy it yet.

~matt owen (mowen@captain.sc.whecn.edu)


Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 21:52:39 -0600
From: monochrome (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Ear/Rational reliability


hi...

i just wanted to know if ear/rational is pretty reliable or whatnot.
i do not trust anyone that easily and that is why i need to know what the
lowdown is before i buy from it.  so please, if anyone has ordered from
ear/rational, e-mail me about their credibility.  thanks.

-erikivan.


erikas@evo.org, last updated by Eyesore Automation on 2-26-1996