Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:46:41 PST
Interesting, my impressions of their Seattle show last week (2/14) are
quite similar. I was also disappointed, thought they were flat, and
that drummer Narcizo seemed unhappy about something, perhaps about the
band's direction. Their Feb '95 Seattle show was so much better, the
energy was high, Narcizo's percussion was much higher in the mix and he
was simply incredible. (This was the 1st show in the University tour.)
At this year's show, the sound was so shitty it was impossible to
appreciate the new songs, although I'm sure I'll eventually like them.
I cannot for the life of me understand how the musicians can tolerate
such terrible sound. I'd walk off the fucking stage! Very muddy and
distorted. The bass drowned everything else out. I guess it's OK that
Kristin allows her vocals to be overwhelmed in the concert mix, but
it'd be nice to hear the guitar and drums! If I wasn't hopelessly in
love with the band, I would've left myself. Very frustrating.
I look forward to the new album, but the Muses are not in good form
right now. I hope I just caught them on a bad night.
>this is part II--you'll probably get it first ironically
>with the new songs--"Coming out in August," according to Kristen. I have to
>say that this show was a far cry from the one at the Troubador, during the
>"All Virgos Are Mad" festival. Kristen was quite mellow, reminding us not to
>constantly request "the sad songs" as well as self-deprecating in her remarks
>about new material not being "rockin' enough for you guys...wimpy...etc."
> She was happy and healthy in her space on stage. For those of us who
>liked her driven intensity, we were not cheated, but pleasantly surprised by
>her new approach. However, the rest of the band seemed to lag off and
>lack of their synergy really dampened the show for me. At one point Kristen
>remarked that "the drummer and the bassist are fighting--look at them."
> The highlight of the show for me was a solo performance by Kristen.
>She sang a gorgeous song with a sleek pop hook which I imagine will be called
>"Serene." The lyrics for the chorus went "sweet nothing/sweet dreams/serene"
>it was really powerful for me. A few other unrecognizable (hence new songs)
>were really poppy, reminding of--dare I say--Belly. Yet they had that depth,
>that Kristen se quoi, which really makes them Throwing Muses songs. Overall
>I was bummed out, after being blown out the doors of the Troubador 9-95,
>wishing she had that cellist from before and not her house-painting buddy on
>She has a nice new telecaster deluxe and she's playing through a Fender
>re-issue Vibro-King or Bluesmaster! (i think)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:25:02 -0800
Air Miami's album is pleasant but hardly a revelation. Similar to Unrest
but with a bit more variety in sound (probably due to Guy Fixsen's
production) including some (gasp) synths and (gasp) bits of beatbox. One
song is a total homage to early New Order, another to the Pixies. Bridget
has some very pretty soft little tunes that are among my favorites.
Overall I don't like it quite as much as Unrest since it lacks the
introspective droning quality that a lot of Unrest's best moments
("Isabel", "Angel I Will Walk You Home", "Vibe Out") had.
I've heard little bits of Liquorice, and for my money you'd be better off
getting either of Tsunami's albums first (though not the "World Tour"
Scheer sound promising -- but I've been known to sing along to
Soundgarden on the car radio so take this with a grain of salt. I'm
waiting to see if their stuff will be released in the US before I invest
any money in them.
Jens Alfke [email protected]
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It hums for thee. _______________________
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:32:36 -0800
I'll admit my expectations were extremely high for
seeing Throwing Muses a few nights ago, so I probably
couldn't help being disappointed, but even so (and the
other 2-part post seems to back me up on this) I thought
they were just merely OK. "I should have known... I
should have known" kept running through my head, since
the only other time I saw them was on the Sugar / Boo Radleys
tour a few years ago, and this was right after Red Heaven came
out. They sounded half-baked then, and they sounded the same
on Monday night (I missed them at AVAM).
They did play some good songs (although I
could have easily done without Pearl and Furious... obviously
Red Heaven is my least favorite album). The first four off
of University were good to hear, and Snakeface was among the
best of the night, along with the "blow jobs" song from
the first album. But something just didn't work. Kristin sounded
really hoarse, like she had wrecked her voice days before,
the band sounded far from tight and bogged down in a sludgey
mix, and nothing really leapt out and grabbed me by the throat
like much of University does. They were competent but not
driven. And somebody *has* to break it to the band that they
just *cannot* play Counting Backwards anymore. It sounds terrible
without Tanya Donnelly. Ehhh. Maybe next time I'll see them
blow the doors off the place.
A statement for the FAQ:
Get Ms. Hersh's name right! It's spelled "Kristin"
not "Kristen". Two "i"s and no "e".
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:21:30 -0500
In a message dated 96-02-22 12:46:44 EST, Janice writes:
>there is nothing in that god-forsaken faq that indicates what i should do
>about it and the stupid list-administator will not write me back!!! >:(
all hail the almighty, all-knowing FAQ... what was that *someone* posted
}}Honest to god, kids, all this info is right there near the top of the
sometimes, the FAQ just doesn't cut it and you need human interaction to work
out your problems. My apologies to Jens, but I thought I was sending Janice
a reference of someone who might know more about the situation than I...
>thank you bluebelknol for you help. you have been the only considerate
>here throughout all this.
and thank you Janice, but there are quite a few considerate people on the
list other than myself, and unfortunately, there are also quite a number of
un-caring deadbeats on the list who are subbed just for the sake of stirring
a flame-war of sorts.
> if it comes to the point where i have to bounce
>mail to the list, i hope you will accept my apologies.
heck if it were me, I'd stayed subbed to the account, and if you weren't
getting a reply from the people responsible for helping you out in
circumstances such as this, I'd forward every post back to those resposible
and not let it be automatically forwarded back to the entire list as it has
happened in the past.
and Janice, our apologies for your unhappy stay. hopefully you'll find a
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:07:28 -0500
>And while we're on prices of CDs, I think it's a crime that
>the standard price of a CD at Tower is now $15.99. With
>tax that's well over $17.
In the past month two CD's picked by friends for me whilst in the UK
cost L14.99 at HMV! Although one CD was pressed in Germany the other
one originated in the UK. Thank God for all the the smaller stores
whose prices make it worth while.
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:20:21 -0600
>And while we're on prices of CDs, I think it's a crime that
>the standard price at of a CD at Tower is now $15.99. With
>tax that's well over $17, a price I can remember paying for
>IMPORTS back in '88. Needless to say, I don't even consider
>shopping there anymore. I can usually find what I'm looking for
>at smaller stores for much cheaper, say $11.99 to $13.99.
For a moment I will sing the praises of Best Buy, with their great
selection of strange stuff (they get the weirdest things you'd never
exppect in there) and all for cheapper than any "music" store. The cheapest
thing after 2nd hand stores.
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:50:45 +0000
>>And while we're on prices of CDs, I think it's a crime that
>>the standard price at of a CD at Tower is now $15.99. With
>>tax that's well over $17, a price I can remember paying for
>>IMPORTS back in '88. Needless to say, I don't even consider
>>shopping there anymore. I can usually find what I'm looking for
>>at smaller stores for much cheaper, say $11.99 to $13.99.
Just thank god that you don't live in the UK. On the whole, CDs cost as
much here is UKPounds Sterling as they do over there in USDollars,
and while I'm no exchange rate expert, I know it's not 1:1 (yet...)
But on the other hand, there are a few advantages to living here. Lush
Tour T minus twelve days and counting...
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 03:05:47 -0600
22, 96 07:10:03 pm
> My service provider doesn't offer mailing lists to subscribers. Does
> anyone else out there have the ability to run a mailing list and the
> interest & commitment to do it? We seem to have ~400 subscribers and ~20
> messages a day.
I can, but it isn't worth anywhere near $100 a month for all the trouble,
etc. Besides, who would pay, anyway? I wouldn't.
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:04:27 -0800
in an alternate dimension, i'm actually the physical embodiment of
the pulsating michigan noiserock scene...does that count, hk?
i've decided to transform the vague and vapid orange county music
scene into my own li'l noise-o-rama. oh, it will take time...sure...
but mark my words, i will redesign and mold the musical tastes of
the snotty and/or bored kids who live here in good ol southern
california... ....or i will fail miserably and wind up with a
nothing more than a ton of weirded out home tapes of my own stuff
and a lot of anti-fans...
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:14:52 -0700
On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, daniel klyn wrote:
> while scanning the liner notes of jeff buckley's cd 'grace', i
> noticed a Matt Johnson listed in the credits. As there was no "matt
> johnson appears courtesy of epic records", im assuming its a different guy.
> anyone confirm/deny this?
> p.s. as an ordained priest of every church imaginable, i hereby banish
> the evil spirit which has been posessing list members and making them
> talk trash both pro- and con- a certain software manufacturer. banish it
> to the alt.trash.talk newsgroup. in the name of all things relevant and
> beautiful (4AD, for example), i banish this daemon to virtual hell.
Well, i made the horrible mistake of buying a tape by matt johnson and it
turned out to be someone other that the crooner behind The The's mic.
this may be the same person that you are thinking about.
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:08:50 -0800
I could run one off of Netcom's majordomo server, but Netcom is giving
out no more of those. If anyone really wants to move this list, I'd be
willing to make repeated requests for another list; perhaps with some
support i could squeeze it out of them.
The down side is I am not a very good list admin and my archiving
involvez zipping shit up every month and throwing it on an unlabeled
There is a place called Webcom which offers web, list, and ftp services
to individuals for $10/mo plus storage fees past 5 megs and traffic fees
past 200 megs. They are at http://webcom.com I think, if anyone cares. I
have thought about moving my lists there, but am too lazy/busy to look
into it. If anyone finds a place that offers listserv with some kind of
an automatic archiving sort of deal, please clue me in.
Just for the sake of discussing a little bit of music other than Lush
this month, I bought the Eno/Wobble album a while back and *love* it. It
is all instrumental, with a feel similar to Music for Films, actually.
There is cool, unobtrusive bass and drums here and about, and the album
is very dark--darker than Music for Films, actually, but without that
depressing end of the world feel to it. It's just plain very very dark.
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:18:28 -0500
On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, a bear of very little brain wrote:
> ...everyone who is logged in from the state of Michigan?
hi, my name is dan, and im an hniaholic from annarbor michigan
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 00:40:18 -0600
>...and free corn too (the newest 4AD sampler)!!!
When did this come out? What=B4s the track listing? Tell me! Tell me!
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:49:43 GMT
I have a couple of comments and corrections...
[email protected] writes:
> As for Muzzle, I couldn't imagine why they opened for the Muses--
>someone must have owed someone a favor. Muzzle's trite attempt to be "indie"
>was only exacerbated by their luxuriant equipment, lack of vulnerability and
>insight, and overwhelmingly cliche lyrics and stage "presence." Other than
>some nice melodic twists between the 2-guitars and bass, I was almost offended.
I felt like these guys were rich kids recently out of college who asked each
>other "Hey let's do a band thing before we have become consultants like our
>Dad's!" I could have sworn that the bass player was thinking "Hey! Why aren't
>they into us? we rock!"
Yeah, Muzzle was pretty lame. They were competent musicians, but *very*
average. One of my companions said they were almost exactly like Green
> On the other side of the galaxie--was the Throwing Muses. Kirstin came
>out with her head shaved (with Annie Lenno length blond hair) and said, "If you
>want to dye your hair black, you'll have to shave it off to grow your own hair
>back!" She opened with a new song.
Her name is Kristin! And she opened with "Pearl" from _Red Heaven_.
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Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:30:55 -0500
On the 25 cent thread; I would pay it. Hell, I'd pay the $3.00 in advance for
the whole year. Might get rid of the deadbeats... ;)
People who bitch about paying this obviously don't find the information gained
from this list to be very useful. I on the other hand have saved more money
and found more rare stuff that I didn't even know existed prior to being on
this list. For instance; I just talked to the nice people at the Involved
Group who are sponsoring the cindyTalk tour and have offered, while they're
not coming to houston, to sell me the CDs I'm looking for b/c they happen to
be staying overnight in houston before continuing the tour in mid-march.
I woulda never had any idea if some nice soul hadn't given me their contact
info; so I'm saving $10 on this one deal. ($15 per CD instead of $20)
In short; if you can't spare 3 bucks to help some poor guy out to maintain
this list and keep everything under control; you really don't care about being
here. Take it from someone who has been maintaining an anonymous ftp site for
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can't get the files" "they're all corrupt" "can you tell me where so-and-so
is?" It's a lot of work; and while I don't mind it (i'm running it on a mac
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:30:02 -0500
though I get the feeling this will be contested, I didn't care for
'Tarnation'. It's basically 'country/western' music. If you like that
sort of thing, then it might do it (that whole leather & levi thing)
pretty well, but its not my cup of tea so I cant tell you if its ground
breaking country music or not... If your looking for innovation or unique
sound (which I expected since Warren Defever produced it) I DONT
But it has really good artwork/packaging etc
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:44:30 -0500
i agree most of the porjekt stuff I've necountered is a little
melodramatic and 'over-gothed'. All except Love Spirals Downwards. They
do that etherial thing, but mostly with overlapped (beautiful) vocals.
They have two female vocalists and fairly sparse intrumentation, but they
create these swirling soundscapes that are often too abstract to be
'goth' or full of adolescent silliness.
Their first disc "idylls" is wonderful, though a little overwhelming in
the swirling ether department at times. Their second disc "Ardor" is
pretty wonderful and pulls some of their songs together a little tighter.
It also learns the lesson that sometimes less is more and allows silence
to work with some of the more luscious bits, very successful imho.
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:39:17 -0400
joseph burns wrote:
... Love Spirals Downwards. They
>do that etherial thing, but mostly with overlapped (beautiful) vocals.
>They have two female vocalists and fairly sparse intrumentation, but they
when i saw them live there was only one vocalist and one guitarist and i
believe they make up the whole band.
ps. they were very good live, although a little repetitive sounding, imho.
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:17:58 -0600
I am forging an email 'signoff' message from her old address.
We'll see if that works.
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:46:12 -0800
i've been interested to read people's reviews of other recent
throwing muses shows. i went to the second of the two shows
they played in SF this week.
on the whole, i was somewhat disappointed. i saw them at
GAMH a few months back, and they gave a wonderful performance,
even though the sound sucked. at Slim's on monday the sound
was better, but the performance seemed just OK.
i saw set lists for both shows on alt.music.4ad, and
sunday's set included some songs i would have
loved to have heard in that setting. oh well.
kristin is still a riveting performer, IMO.
i just wish they'd come back to SF and give a non-smoking
concert. both the GAMH and Slim's shows would have been
much more enjoyable if i'd been able to breathe.
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:11:48 -0600
My question is how would payment be made, I wouldn't mind paying, but does anyon
really want to recieve 400 checks/moneyorders for .25 wouldn't it make sense o
ust charge something like $5 year, an amount actually worth bothering to
write a check for, or cash a check for, or for even de3aling wiht the whole sill
thing. it may sound silly, but i'd rather pay $5 once then .25 12 times, I
know it's more cash, but it's not quite as anoying.
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:59:49 +0000
On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Joseph Burns wrote:
> though I get the feeling this will be contested, I didn't care for
> 'Tarnation'. It's basically 'country/western' music. If you like that
Well, it's certainly not "Country & Western" in the classical sense.
Don't mistake this for Kris Kristofferson or Willie Nelson.
> sort of thing, then it might do it (that whole leather & levi thing)
> pretty well, but its not my cup of tea so I cant tell you if its ground
> breaking country music or not... If your looking for innovation or unique
> sound (which I expected since Warren Defever produced it) I DONT
> reccomend Tarnation.
I can't see how "leather & levi" fits in with any of the aforemetioned -
C&W or Tarnation. When it comes to the album itself, my feelings are a
bit mixed. Briefly, I like the songs Paula sings on - hell I love a few
of them... The songs with that bloke crooning should have been left out
though - they're probably the songs closest to what most people would
call contry and western.
But don't trust me (or JB here)...I've got a pair of Levi jeans. I might
have my old leather jacket somewhere as well. Come to think of it, I
actually have a Jonny Cash album.
> But it has really good artwork/packaging etc
If anyone hates theirs, send it to me. I washed my boklet with a pint of
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:28:00 -0500
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:07:24 -0600
I am new too this list so forgive me if I am asking about old news....But I
am wondering if anyone has info on the Cindytalk tour stopping in or around
the Chicago or Milwaukee areas. Thanks!
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:20:37 +0100
>the this mortal coil boxed set was dedicated to him, something i still
>don't fully understand, other than as an indication of how much ivo
Maybe there is no other hide meaning...
Heard that some guys compared HNIA to a "new" TMC when Livonia and HiiYH came
out... which is definitly not the case, but I thing TMC and HNIA are among
the best that ivo released on his [major] independant label... it's really
a pity cause I found Warren so interesting, [it's my favorite player /
enginner / maker of music and sound!] when I find his music has so little
BTW, on the subject of TMC, I'm afraid this question may have been posted
already, but I was off line during 6 months, and It's not on the FAQ:
>>>> Where is on the sleeves of TMC albums?
Is the rumor that Ivo is currently setting up again a TMC project known
by anyone here?
Laurent Lapierre |-,-|
[email protected] | - |
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:05:03 -0800
On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Joseph Burns wrote:
> i agree most of the porjekt stuff I've necountered is a little
> melodramatic and 'over-gothed'. All except Love Spirals Downwards. They
> do that etherial thing, but mostly with overlapped (beautiful) vocals.
> They have two female vocalists and fairly sparse intrumentation, but they
> create these swirling soundscapes that are often too abstract to be
> 'goth' or full of adolescent silliness.
There's only one vocalist, actually (Suzanne Perry). Sparse?
At times, but listen to the end of "Tear Love From My Mind". There's about
FIVE guitar tracks going all at once. 'swonderful.
I think Lycia's pretty impressive. I wouldn't count them out at all.
> Their first disc "idylls" is wonderful, though a little overwhelming in
> the swirling ether department at times. Their second disc "Ardor" is
> pretty wonderful and pulls some of their songs together a little tighter.
> It also learns the lesson that sometimes less is more and allows silence
> to work with some of the more luscious bits, very successful imho.
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:54:30 -0800
I have the following disc for sale. Make me a reasonable offer.
KENDRA SMITH...presents THE GUILD OF TEMPORAL ADVENTURERS
CD : 1992 US Fiasco Records (#?)
:59 Legbone Tibet
3:54 Stars Are In Your Eyes
:37 Himalayan Bells
3:34 Earth Same Breath
3:45 Waiting In The Rain
3:58 She Brings The Rain
3:40 Iridescence 31
:27 Railroad Mix by J.C. and Bobby Icon
4:05 Wheel Of The Law
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:36:17 -0700
I wrote a review of the Throwing Muses in LA 2-20-95 and failed to spell
Ms. Hersh's name correctly.
IT IS: Kristin Hersh <-----------------------------!
However, if you paid attention, you could have caught me misspelling her name
twice between PARTS I and II.
I'm glad that there is a vigilance for detail on this here LISTERVE.
On a whining note: I've spelled it correctly before, humph!
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:45:52 -0700
To the Official Great Goddess:
To the Official Great Goddess:
Thanx for your criticisms, my only defense is that I thought Red
Heaven was so poor that I have obviously blocked it from my memory.
Perchance with your luminous status of goddessness, you could elevate
our understanding of that unenchanted evening?
Looking forward to it O.G.G.
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:03:55 -0600
I took stock of Projekt and found my personal view of their repertoire
isn't any worse than a certain other label, and in some instances their
track record is a little better:
PROJEKT ACTS I LIKE (to varying degrees): Love Spirals Downwards, Lycia,
Bleak, lovesliescrushing, Black Tape for a Blue Girl, Soul Whirling
Somewhere, Eden, Attrition.
PROJEKT ACTS I DON'T: Human Drama, Ordo Equitum Solis, Thanatos, Vidna
4AD ACTS I LIKE (once again, to varying degrees): DCD, HNIA, Lisa
Gerrard, Heidi Berry, Lisa Germano, Throwing Muses, Kristen Hersh solo, Lush.
(Omitted because they've left the label: RHP, Cocteau Twins, Wolfgang Press.
Also I've not really heard Tarnation or Mojave 3 yet.)
4AD ACTS I DON'T: Scheer, Amps, Air Miami, Licourice, Kendra Smith, Pale
Saints post-Ian, Belly.
Projekt bands are often a bit melodramatic, but at least there seems to be
a consistent aesthetic at work, which I don't think can be said of 4AD
My 2c on this thread,
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:01:08 -0800
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:01:08 -0500
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:32:51 -0500
Ooooh, spooky....I too am from AnnArborama....
On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, aaron thomas spink wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, a bear of very little brain wrote:
> > > ...everyone who is logged in from the state of Michigan?
> > >
> > hi, my name is dan, and im an hniaholic from annarbor michigan
> I as well am from A^2.