Subject: Information about RHP's "Ocean Beach"
Subject: cindytalk tour-mpls query
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Subject: Re: DCD 'Sinful Garden'
Subject: Throwing Muses in LA 2-20-95 (II)
Subject: Re: DCD 'Sinful Garden'
Subject: Re: Opinions requested
Subject: Re: Orvill's Lessons
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Subject: Throwing Muses in LA 2-20-95 (I)
Subject: Warm Miami May (again)
Subject: Re: Orvill's Lessons
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Subject: the two members of AIR MIAMI that used to play bass and drums
Subject: SCRAPING THE PAVEMENT
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Subject: signing off [was: HNIA Question Repost]
Subject: Record stores in New York
Subject: Could I have a show of hands from...
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Subject: Moving the 4AD List?
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Subject: Re: Throwing Muses in LA 2-20-95 (I)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:19:05 +1000
I've just bought Red House Painter's "Rollercoaster" CD, and am thinking
about getting their "Ocean Beach" CD. However, I haven't seen it here in
Australia, and since CD's are expensive in our fair country (currently over
$30), I was hoping someone could give me some info on it before I order it.
>From what I can gather from other Net sites, there are only 8 songs on
it, but my "Rollercoaster" CD has 14 songs (at about 75 mins). Are those
songs any good? How does it compare to "Rollercoaster" ? Is it a long CD
or a short one? etc.
Any help appreciated.
Geoff.
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:47:15 -0600
if i remember correctly from the several postings about this--cindytalk is
supposed to playing in minneapolis on 2/25. i was under the impression
they were playing 7th Street Entry but i just saw a 1st Ave/7thSt calendar
and there was no mention of it. So who's wrong--me or the calendar--and if
i'm wrong where are they playing?
In case anyone cares--the Brothers Quay first fucking feature length film
(which is, for better or worse, live action) is playing at the Walker here
in mpls this friday, and their shorts are playing all this week. i think.
Black Tape for a Blue Girl soundbyte review: just bought the Lush Garden
Within or whatever by them and i've decided they are whiny, self-absorbed
bores.
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 20:49:20 +0300
>I dug up a cindyTalk CD ep yesterday which I didn't even realize I had. It's
>called "Secrets and Falling". The tracks are:
>
>1. Song of Changes
>2. The moon above me
>3. in sunshine
>4. empty hand
>
>It is copyright 1991 by Midnight Music (Dong 76 CD).
>
>I am trying to find his other two releases (in this world) and (wappinshaw)
>but so far everyone wants around $20 for them.
>
>Can anyone tell me where this ep came from? Are the songs off here
>representative of in this world or wappinshaw? How about buying these other
>CDs? Any place have them cheaper?
>
>thanks
>
>
>marvynHortman Director FAQ --> ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us
As far as I have seen, $20 is the popular rate. I have seen them for even
$23. IMO, wappinshaw is the better album of the two. I don't know the ep
that you are talking about, so I can't make comparisons. In this world is
actually two albums in one. THe first half is somewhat dark and gloomy,
the second half is very mellow like sound scapes or soundtrack music.
wappinshaw is seemingly more "experimental". There is some semi-noise, and
original use of instruments. Unfortunately, i am really bad at describing
music! I hope this helps a little!
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:49:16 -0500
>Does anyone have the Dead Can Dance (bootleg) 'Sinful Garden'? I saw it in
a
>mail order catalog and wondered if any one had any comments on tracks, sound
>quality, etc.
i believe that is another version of the excellent 'exit to eden' boot
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:53:16 -0700
this is part II--you'll probably get it first ironically
with the new songs--"Coming out in August," according to Kristen. I have to
say that this show was a far cry from the one at the Troubador, during the
"All Virgos Are Mad" festival. Kristen was quite mellow, reminding us not to
constantly request "the sad songs" as well as self-deprecating in her remarks
about new material not being "rockin' enough for you guys...wimpy...etc."
She was happy and healthy in her space on stage. For those of us who
liked her driven intensity, we were not cheated, but pleasantly surprised by
her new approach. However, the rest of the band seemed to lag off and on. The
lack of their synergy really dampened the show for me. At one point Kristen
remarked that "the drummer and the bassist are fighting--look at them."
The highlight of the show for me was a solo performance by Kristen.
She sang a gorgeous song with a sleek pop hook which I imagine will be called
"Serene." The lyrics for the chorus went "sweet nothing/sweet dreams/serene"
it was really powerful for me. A few other unrecognizable (hence new songs)
were really poppy, reminding of--dare I say--Belly. Yet they had that depth,
that Kristen se quoi, which really makes them Throwing Muses songs. Overall
I was bummed out, after being blown out the doors of the Troubador 9-95,
wishing she had that cellist from before and not her house-painting buddy on
keyboards.
She has a nice new telecaster deluxe and she's playing through a Fender
re-issue Vibro-King or Bluesmaster! (i think)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:54:29 -0800
I've got this bootleg, and it's got some DCD tracks I've never heard
before. As for sound qualtiy, I don't have other bootlegs to reference
to, but the sound seems "distant", and not really in front of you(as is
Towards the Within). I'd get it just for the unreleased stuff.
On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group wrote:
> Does anyone have the Dead Can Dance (bootleg) 'Sinful Garden'? I saw it in a
> mail order catalog and wondered if any one had any comments on tracks, sound
> quality, etc.
>
> Thanks!
> Tom
> [email protected]
>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:51:37 -0800
On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Nadim Baki-Zada wrote:
> What does everyone think of the following:
> Liquorice
> Air Miami
> Scheer
>
> I recently purchased a used copy of the Mojave 3 album and was a little
> disappointed. It's not really bad or anything, just to monotone for me.
> Basically it really all sounds the same and dull.
> Should I even bother investing in the above mentioned bands/albums???
>
> -nb- Black is the shadow of my soul
>
I agree with you on the Mojave 3. Air Miami flat out sucks donkey balls
and could very well be the worst release to ever carry the 4AD label. Shame.
Liquorice is good, but doesn't break any new ground.
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:20:34 -0600
At 10:06 AM 2/21/96 -0500, you wrote:
>yes its true that the way to succeed in business is to do one thing
>better than anyone else. As long as it remains clear that Microsoft's
>forte has been marketing and NOT quality software.What was that beautiful
>line someone wrote about convincing the lemmings to consume a floopy disc
>full of feces?
>
>
....this is not very 4ad-ish, then again, nothing on this list isn't that
way anymore. was it ever?
anyway, Microsoft *DOES* make quality software. and i will think
differently whenever i start having troubles with mine. i haven't so far....
so what's the big deal?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:11:40 -0800
_Ocean Beach_ has 9 listed tracks, plus an extra unlisted thing
at the end called "Brockwell Park No. 2". The album is largely acoustic,
and is somewhat more close, rather than spacey and distant like their
preceding albums. I think it's their best one.
=>} End CD tyranny. {<=
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:24:21 -0700
The Throwing Muses played at the Whiskey last night. A band named
Muzzle opened for them.
As for Muzzle, I couldn't imagine why they opened for the Muses--
someone must have owed someone a favor. Muzzle's trite attempt to be "indie"
was only exacerbated by their luxuriant equipment, lack of vulnerability and
insight, and overwhelmingly cliche lyrics and stage "presence." Other than
some nice melodic twists between the 2-guitars and bass, I was almost offended.
felt like these guys were rich kids recently out of college who asked each
other "Hey let's do a band thing before we have become consultants like our
Dad's!" I could have sworn that the bass player was thinking "Hey! Why aren't
they into us? we rock!"
On the other side of the galaxie--was the Throwing Muses. Kirstin came
out with her head shaved (with Annie Lenno length blond hair) and said, "If you
want to dye your hair black, you'll have to shave it off to grow your own hair
back!" She opened with a new song.
Muses die-hards were throwing flowers, "I LUV U's," and shrieks. However
here were two guys there--let's call them the "dynamic duo"--who couldn't
contain their enthusiasm or their elbows. After jostling your humble narrator
they attempted to surf from the back of the floor crowd. Didn't they know
that these sad, pensive, percocious, and sensitive listeners would let them fall
of their own volition? If that wasn't enough of a crowd litmus test, they
fought on to raise the devils amongst the muses--until an obscenely large
bouncer suggested with his barrel chest that they ought to relax. By the
first encore the dynamic duo, backing each other up for "having fun," took on
the bouncer and lost. They were arrested by police--tsk tsk tsk.
Kirstin was deluged by requests and personal questions, taking them in
stride with a flat-footed witty grace. She wove a patchwork quilt of old, new
and un-recorded songs. Shen mentioned the new songs "would be coming out in
August..." (see part II)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:41:09 EST
Rickman" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:49:51 -0500
On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, zelzah wrote:
> ....this is not very 4ad-ish, then again, nothing on this list isn't that
> way anymore. was it ever?
> anyway, Microsoft *DOES* make quality software. and i will think
> differently whenever i start having troubles with mine. i haven't so far....
> so what's the big deal?
>
I think we are talking about principles vs. real objects (ie software)
here. Microsoft *is* the overdog. This is a mailing list for obscure
bands on an independent record label. I think the reason why you see
animosity toward Microsoft is the same reason why this is not the Sony or
RCA or Capitol mailing list...
If Microsoft were a record label, it might have already run 4AD out of
business, and we would all be talking about the latest Elton John release.
deanna
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:41:54 -0500
On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, drew rosielle wrote:
>
> Black Tape for a Blue Girl soundbyte review: just bought the Lush Garden
> Within or whatever by them and i've decided they are whiny, self-absorbed
> bores.
>
Hahahah. I had suspected as much. I've been seeing projekt's ads for
"ethereal gloom doom goth" or whatever for years and it just somehow
*bothered* me that they would advertise the music that way. Reminds me of
what a reviewer said about Tori Amos (banish the name) in our local indie
The older I get (25 now) the more disgusted I am with bands made up of
people my age or even older displaying the emotional maturity of
adolescents.
Just a rant, of course. I still have never heard anything on Projekt
but Attrition, and they were ok.
deanna
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:39:19 EST
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:21:42 -0500
I will provide Scraping The Pavement tour dates as soon as I can get some
confirmation.
joe
wb
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 02:16:01 -0400
hi geoff,
congratulations on getting rhp's second lp. it's fab, isn't it. i am
an absolutely huge fan of the band so i suppose i'm a bit biased but
here's the lowdown, not only on 'ocean beach' but the others as well,
so that you can make informed decisions.
red house painters first cd is called 'down colorful hill'. it is more
or less a collection of demos, supposedly given to ivo (director of
4ad) by mark eitzel of american music club, who by the way, if you've
not heard of them, are also very good in the same soul-baring rhp way.
anyway, it's got only 6 tracks, all of which are really, really good
though very stripped-down sounding. there is only one kinda rockin'
tune called 'lord kill the pain' (by rockin i mean tempo-wise and
somewhat loud, louder and faster than mistress). 'japanese to
english', 'michael' and 'medicine bottle' contain some of the most
heartfelt lyrics ever. great stuff!
the second you have, so you already know, it's amazing. probably their
best overall, though i like most everything they've ever done.
the third, also self-titled like the second lp for some strange
reason, is a collection of all the stuff they wanted to put on the
second lp but 1) didn't have the room and 2) didn't quite fit the
album in terms of tone or sound. the result is a slightly more
eclectic and jumbled bunch than the one you have. each track, however,
is wonderful by itself in its own way. stand out tracks (for me, oh,
there are 9 all together, by the way) are 'evil', 'helicopter' and
'blindfold', though they also do covers of simon and garfunkel's 'i am
a rock' and america's national anthem 'the star spangled banner' (the
latter of which took me a while to get used to)
the fourth, the one you asked about, is 'ocean beach'. i have to say.
in all honesty, i think this is their least strong work though it's
grown on me immensely. it is kind of a short album. the first track is
an instrumental, kind of blah if you ask me, i love them mostly for
mark kozelek's tremendous voice and lyrics. the second is 'summer
dress', their "single" track. slow and pretty, but not much to carry
it. third is 'san geronimo', really long, really noisy and really
good. fourth is 'shadows', completely piano driven and very pretty,
though mark's voice doesn't quite seem to reach all the notes he's
trying for (i still love it). fifth is 'over my head', a jazzy number
which i personally feel is their worst track ever. it's not even that
awful, just not as good by comparison. sixth is a two and a half
minute/three minute 'red carpet', kind of haunting and strange,
seventh is 'brockwell park' which is one of my two or three faves on
the album. 'moments' is next. pretty good but not great. and last is
'drop' the lp's best track and one of their best songs to date.
oh, there's also a crap little instrumental which is actually
'brockwell park II', though it's not listed anywhere.
also floating around if you get really into them is the 'shock me' ep.
two slightly different versions of kiss's 'shock me', 'sundays and
holidays' (great), 'three legged cat' (hysterical) and another
unlisted, untitled instrumental which ranks with the prettiest
instrumentals i've ever heard.
and if you get really, really into them, look for the only other
available tracks:
mistress (remix) - on a promo cd single and 4ad's 7 year itch comp
uncle joe (original version) - on volume 5 comp (better than the 3rd
lp version)
well, that's about all i can think of. hope this does you well. if i
can be of any assistance let me know (i.e. picking anything up in the
u.s. that for whatever reason you can't get in australia). you can
look me up, if you need to on my webpage http://www.dhp.com/~ash
which is a site i made up for the band lowlife. ever heard of them?
Will Heggie, the bassist, used to be in cocteau twins but dropped out
and started the equally amazing band lowlife, from grangemouth,
scotland. check it out, if you want.
hey! if you hear about any cheap airfare to or from the states, let me
know! the love of my life is (unfortunately) in Yagoona, N.S.W., and
until i get her to move out here (after she finishes university,
hopefully) i need to get myself out there every six months or so.
do you know where Yagoona is?
oh well. it sucks to fall in love with someone who lives halfway
around the world. don't do it.
take care,
K-
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:30:53 -0800
I agree with Jens about Liquorice. To me it's just
Tsunami-lite or watered down Grenadine: Light, unobtrusive
pop fare that doesn't hold my interest for very long.
It's nice... just, nice. Nothing revelatory or uncommon
(except for Jenny Toomey's unequalled voice), and so it
just slips though my head leaving barely a trace.
I'll stick with Tsunami's Deep End album. Now that's
pretty close to brilliant.
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| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:30:02 -0500
while scanning the liner notes of jeff buckley's cd 'grace', i
noticed a Matt Johnson listed in the credits. As there was no "matt
johnson appears courtesy of epic records", im assuming its a different guy.
anyone confirm/deny this?
p.s. as an ordained priest of every church imaginable, i hereby banish
the evil spirit which has been posessing list members and making them
talk trash both pro- and con- a certain software manufacturer. banish it
to the alt.trash.talk newsgroup. in the name of all things relevant and
beautiful (4AD, for example), i banish this daemon to virtual hell.
thanx
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:45:24 CST
<[email protected]>
dear jens and everyone,
(i would have sent this to jens but i was worried he would delete it!)
i am super-sorry i have been bothering the list about unsubscribing since
december, but i *don't* want to be here! i have tried everything i possibly
can but whenever i sent the "sign-off" message, it tells me that i am not
ever subscribed. :(
there is nothing in that god-forsaken faq that indicates what i should do
about it and the stupid list-administator will not write me back!!! >:(
the only solution i have derived is to cancel my e-mail account and bounce
all this mail back to the list, but i am really hesitant to do this because
it is very evil and immoral and a rotten thing to do. but i don't want to be
on this list anymore!
thank you bluebelknol for you help. you have been the only considerate person
here throughout all this. if it comes to the point where i have to bounce
mail to the list, i hope you will accept my apologies.
unhappily yours,
janice ariane
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:43:43 -0600
A very good freind of mine just moved to New York and has not gotten on
line yet. However, he requested that I post a message asking list
members "where are the good places to buy records and cds in New York."
Specifically places that carry 4AD, Teenbeat, Sarah and other similar
labels. I will in turn relay the info to him over the phone. He also
said that The Amps, That Dog and the Foo Fighters will be playing there
on March 14.
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:46:01 -0600
...everyone who is logged in from the state of Michigan?
I'm just curious as to know what part of the list membership hails from the
mitten-shaped state, which has recently become the pulsating center of the
universe (at least for yours truly). Perhaps it's all this talk of
HNIA/Ohio/jj that's got me wondering.
Cheers,
hk
[pining away in the ever-tropical Texas]
--
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| http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:12:52 -0500
if you go to one of the cindytalk dates, you'll be able to pick up
"wappinschaw" and "in this world" for the low, low price of $15! how's
that for ya's. they (involved design) might even have the new(?) one in
to sell you. oh, first things first, involved design is a graphic arts
group out of boston that is reissuing the cindytalk cd's and is
sponsoring the tour. nice folks.
also, they will be selling cindytalk tees for $15. too steep for my
chest. cool design tho'.
ok, back to lush-bashing.
dave ([email protected])
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:49:17 -0800
>> the fourth, the one you asked about, is 'ocean beach'. i have to say.
in all honesty, i think this is their least strong work though it's
grown on me immensely. it is kind of a short album. the first track is
an instrumental, kind of blah if you ask me, i love them mostly for
mark kozelek's tremendous voice and lyrics. the second is 'summer
dress', their "single" track. slow and pretty, but not much to carry
it. third is 'san geronimo', really long, really noisy and really
good. fourth is 'shadows', completely piano driven and very pretty,
though mark's voice doesn't quite seem to reach all the notes he's
trying for (i still love it). fifth is 'over my head', a jazzy number
which i personally feel is their worst track ever. it's not even that
awful, just not as good by comparison. sixth is a two and a half
minute/three minute 'red carpet', kind of haunting and strange,
seventh is 'brockwell park' which is one of my two or three faves on
the album. 'moments' is next. pretty good but not great. and last is
'drop' the lp's best track and one of their best songs to date.
oh, there's also a crap little instrumental which is actually
'brockwell park II', though it's not listed anywhere. <<
Not 'crap'. Disregard all this and just buy the album.
=>} End CD tyranny. {<=
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:10:03 -0800
You know, if we had a list admin who actually read the list (or at least
read his mail) we wouldn't have quite so many problems with people being
unable to unsubscribe and sending their pleas to the list. We might also
have other nice services like archived postings (I know, we have those
unofficially now) and welcome messages sent to new subscribers.
My service provider doesn't offer mailing lists to subscribers. Does
anyone else out there have the ability to run a mailing list and the
interest & commitment to do it? We seem to have ~400 subscribers and ~20
messages a day.
(I've often wondered whether people would pay, say, 25 cents a month to
be on a mailing list. That way on e.g. this list the admin could get paid
$100 a month. Seems a decent inducement for dealing with the messes of
running a mailing list. It'll probably never work until we have a decent
cybercash system, though.)
__________ __________________
Jens Alfke [email protected]
Ask not for whom the refrigerator hums:
It hums for thee. _______________________
www.inow.com/~jens/Jens
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:26:56 -0500
that used to play bass and drums
>>Can anybody tell me what happened to the two members of AIR MIAMI that
>>used to play bass and drums but now it's just Mark Robinson, the
>>beautiful Bridget Cross, and a drummer who, although I can't remember
>>the name, is not the same as the drummer before. Does anyone know?
>
>Don't know what ex-drummer Mike Fellows is up to, but Lauren Feldsher is=
now
>in Viva Satellite doing a kind of 60's musical stuff, with ex-Eggs Rob
>Christiansen. They did a 7" on Happy Go Lucky , called 'Episode D'Amour
>Matinee' (HAPPY 002) -with 2 French types, a 7" on TeenBeat, called
>'Leonardo' (TB 146) and they have just released a really wonderful CD,
>'Nishma' (TB 186).
whoa! TeenBeat fans exist in this world!=20
(swank kudos to all mark robinson worshippers - drop me e-mail sometime! if
you live in Arlington, get a job at the TBstudio and we can chat.)
Report on another ex-Unr=E8st drummer Phil Krauth:
His solo album, released on TeenBeat sometime last year, didn't sell
*too* well. but it wasn't bad either, it sold well at GO! cd's. most of the
songs are pop-melodrama. Who knew he had it in him?
He also played drums for a small local (Glen Echo, Maryland) band
called Puck, led on vocals and guitar by a girl named Puck. It's zany, and
proves that lofi is still in.
I miss unrest. sigh.
drew
(I normally make sense. but not when I'm elated. I'm elated now..)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:12:11 -0800
> I agree with Jens about Liquorice. To me it's just
> Tsunami-lite or watered down Grenadine: Light, unobtrusive
> pop fare that doesn't hold my interest for very long.
Allow me to disagree. Liquorice was the most exciting album of 1995 for
me. Some of my friends share the opinion. Sure, it's pop, sure it's not
"ground-breaking" (well, the song type isn't, but I'd argue that the
recording/mixing is), but it's *good*! I've never heard a pop album that
did so much for me (Date of Birth comes close, thanks kent). It's an
exceptional release in a well-traveled, tired genre.
> I'll stick with Tsunami's Deep End album. Now that's
> pretty close to brilliant.
However, I haven't started to really like Deep End yet...
Mike
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:05:21 -0800
It's merely a matter of all Cindytalk releases being
imports, which are always priced over $20. In fact if you
can find ANY imports for as low a price as $20, you're
getting a good deal. Usually the best I can do around
here is $23.95, although sometimes Virgin has cheaper
prices, but an odd selection.
And while we're on prices of CDs, I think it's a crime that
the standard price at of a CD at Tower is now $15.99. With
tax that's well over $17, a price I can remember paying for
IMPORTS back in '88. Needless to say, I don't even consider
shopping there anymore. I can usually find what I'm looking for
at smaller stores for much cheaper, say $11.99 to $13.99.
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html