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Subject: FS/FT: Virginia Astley - Hope in a Darkened Heart
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:08:24 -0500
From: bruce levenstein (bruceL@INTERRAMP.COM)
Subject: Warren Defever and LIQUORICE
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:41:16 -0500
From: DOTY ELIZABETH E (DOTYEE@DLU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush 'Ladykillers'
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:41:04 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: :) :) :) :) :) ;)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:01:46 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: 4AD (Lush, Mojave 3, Sheer) touring??
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:20:16 +0100
From: Christophe Demunter (Christophe.Demunter@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: Warren Defever: what's he do
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:31:22 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: "Hey Hey Hey I've got it! Warren DeFEVER!!!!!!"
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:09:47 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Single girl
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:14:39 +0800
From: Tony Ting (s8700057@SINGNET.COM.SG)
Subject: Re: Orvill's Lessons
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:06:32 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Lush in NYC
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:57:38 -0500
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: WHAIR(miami)ABOUTS?
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:09:35 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Opinions requested
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:45:57 +0100
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: Warren Defever and LIQUORICE
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:07:33 -0800
From: noiseprincess (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Warm Miami May (again)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:38:31 -0500
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: the two members of AIR MIAMI that used to play bass and drums
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:50:10 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Opinions requested
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:17:38 CST
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: cindyTalking some more...
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:53:02 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: DCD 'Sinful Garden'
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:39:02 -0500
From: Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group
Subject: "Hey Hey Hey I've got it! Warren DeFEVER!!!!!!"
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:09:47 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: More Opinions requested
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:30:29 +0100
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: That Petrol Emotion.....
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:10:59 -0500
From: IVSONGS@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: signing off [was: HNIA Question Repost]
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:30:27 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Orvill's Lessons
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:06:32 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Single girl
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:14:39 +0800
From: Tony Ting (s8700057@SINGNET.COM.SG)

Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:08:24 -0500
From: bruce levenstein (bruceL@INTERRAMP.COM)
Subject: FS/FT: Virginia Astley - Hope in a Darkened Heart


i am lucky enough to have a copy of Virginia Astley's 1986 CD 'Hope in a
Darkened Heart' that i'd like to trade or sell. if you've been looking for
this and your a real fan, let me know.

-bruce

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 | bruce levenstein     brucel@interramp.com |
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:41:16 -0500
From: DOTY ELIZABETH E (DOTYEE@DLU.EDU)
Subject: Warren Defever and LIQUORICE


I think Warren Defever produced Listening Cap; I know he produced Jenny Toomeys
(who sings in Liquorice) band GRENADINE's last album, Nopolitos, and he wrote
the liner notes on the back of that album as well.  If you like her voice in
Liquorice, you should definitely hear Grenadine's two albums and all the Tsunami
records (another Jenny Toomey band, she does alot huh).
        Can anybody tell me what happened to the two members of AIR MIAMI that
        used to play bass and drums but now it's just Mark Robinson, the
        beautiful Bridget Cross, and a drummer who, although I can't remember
        the name, is not the same as the drummer before.  Does anyone know?
And I am not up on His Name Is Alive, so what does Warren Defever do in that
band, is he a player or does he just do production/engineering?

dotyee@dlu.edu



Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:41:04 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush 'Ladykillers'


>And the 2nd volume of that new Lush 'Ladykillers' CD-EP (BADD 6002 CD)
isn't bad either!!

I think they gave us the shit songs with single girl. I didn't even
know the damn things were out already!

                        Brian


Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:01:46 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: :) :) :) :) :) ;)


>Why is it that most everything you, zelzah,  have contributed to this list
>since you arrived is this sort of infantile shit?  If you can't play nice
>like the rest of us perhaps you should unsubscribe here and subscribe to the
>everything-I-have-and-everything-I-believe-is-the-way-to-be-and-everyone-els
>e-who-doesn't-feel-the-same-is-an-idiot list...I understand the
>conversations over there are right up your alley.

hmm.... fascinating.  Anyway, I am honored to be on your 'killlist', you
know, that's the whole reason I state my opinions here..... just to be on
Chad's kill list.  You know, you contradict yourself a lot... that, or you
just arent reading right.
"...But, that is my opinion, if you have a mac and have no complaints... i
won't say anything.  --to each his own..."  Notice the word **OPINION**
there?  (see, I even put them in all capitals so you won't make the mistake
of not noticing them ever again)  If you have the have the address for the:
"everything-I-have-and-everything-I-believe-is-the-way-to-be-and-everyone-el
se- who-doesn't-feel-the-same-is-an-idiot list?"  Maybe you should post it
here because there are, in fact, many, many people in here that deserve to
be on your list.  I won't say any names, they should know who they are....
mostly the ones who post a lot on this list, that's for sure.
Oh yeah...
I happen to like lush's new material.
I also like His Name Is Alive's 'livonia.'
ooohh... am I gonna get any flamers because of that, or what.
Grow up, people.

True, Microsoft may have got that idea for DOS because of CP/M.  But DOS is
alive and CP/M isn't.
Hey man, it's a business.... it's each man for himself.
Like Orville Redenbacher said: "you take one thing and do it better than
everyone"
And apparently that is just what Microsoft did.

love,
-zelzah.


Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:20:16 +0100
From: Christophe Demunter (Christophe.Demunter@RUG.AC.BE)
Subject: Re: 4AD (Lush, Mojave 3, Sheer) touring??


I heard something like a "Shaving The Pavement" Tour, featuring Lush,
Mojave3 and Pavement, maybe it's that tour you'r" talking about ?



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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:31:22 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Warren Defever: what's he do


as far as i know, warren defever writes virtually all of the music that
is released as his name is alive.  he also plays many of the instruments
(chiefly guitars). much is recorded at his house in livonia michigan
(suburb of detroit), and much is produced and engineered by him.  Ivo
mixed some songs on livonia. he also directed one of their videos. he
used to be in a band called elvis hitler, and another one called the
fishcats.  i once saw him perform with a group called the dirt eaters,
whose lineup was almost identical to that of hnia.

when curious about a name in the liner notes (warren defever, for
example), i usually check out the eyesore database under the list of
people category.

the this mortal coil boxed set was dedicated to him, something i still
don't fully understand, other than as an indication of how much ivo
digs warren.


Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:09:47 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: "Hey Hey Hey I've got it! Warren DeFEVER!!!!!!"


For those who'll buy anything, no everything from Warren Defever, the
Princess Dragon Mom CD is essential. As close as he'll come to putting out an
album of lip-farts. Experimental with an emphasis on MENTAL.

...and free corn too (the newest 4AD sampler)!!!

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:14:39 +0800
From: Tony Ting (s8700057@SINGNET.COM.SG)
Subject: Single girl


I don't understand why lots of people out there think single girl is the
least attractive song in lovelife. Although I'm not the biggest lush fan
here, at least I still can appreciate single girl and none of the songs in
their lastest album are shit.
                  ======================Tony Ting========================
                       ========s8700057@singnet.com.sg=================


Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:06:32 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Orvill's Lessons


yes its true that the way to succeed in business is to do one thing
better than anyone else. As long as it remains clear that Microsoft's
forte has been marketing and NOT quality software.What was that beautiful
line someone wrote about convincing the lemmings to consume a floopy disc
full of feces?

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:57:38 -0500
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Lush in NYC


If anybody knows, WHEN AND WHERE WILL THEY BE PLAYING!!

Alex

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:09:35 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: WHAIR(miami)ABOUTS?


>>Can anybody tell me what happened to the two members of AIR MIAMI that used
to play bass and drums but now it's just Mark Robinson, the beautiful Bridget
Cross, and a drummer who, although I can't remember the name, is not the same
as the drummer before.  Does anyone know?<<

Lauren (bass) is in the band Viva Satellite that also happens to contain Rob
Eggs/Grenadine and is inclined towards doing conceptual musical/play-like
material. Basically it's just Lauren and Rob. Their stuff can be had on
TeenBeat.

Mike (drummer)...not sure what happened with him.

John (ex-Eggs) drummed on some Air Miami demos (like the version of "Neely"
on the YEAH BUT 7"). I don't know if he ever played live with them. You can
ask him if he's still on the list.

I remember reading that when Mark got them, he wanted people that weren't
very confident of their skills on their respective instruments (sort of the
New Order approach to recruiting band members). Basically, Lauren hadn't
really bassed and Mike hadn't really drummed before. They play on "Pucker"
and "Airplane Rider" and pretty much all the stuff that was officially
released before ME.ME.ME.

More info than you probably expected that doesn't really say a whole lot of
anything.


Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:45:57 +0100
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Opinions requested


What does everyone think of the following:
Liquorice
Air Miami
Scheer

I recently purchased a used copy of the Mojave 3 album and was a little
disappointed. It's not really bad or anything, just to monotone for me.
Basically it really all sounds the same and dull.
Should I even bother investing in the above mentioned bands/albums???

-nb- Black is the shadow of my soul


Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:07:33 -0800
From: noiseprincess (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Warren Defever and LIQUORICE


> And I am not up on His Name Is Alive, so what does Warren Defever do in that
> band, is he a player or does he just do production/engineering?

  warren is hnia. writes, plays, records, produces, engineers, remixes,
  retools...but he doesn't sing. that's karin's, chelle's, denise's, karen's,
  whoever else's job. trey drums. so does damian. jymn plays guitar, too.
  and melissa. scott does a drummy thing, too. karin messes around with a
  cello. some other people add their two cents.
  warren also is the king of michigan noize. but don't get me started on
  THAT scene...it's a neverending story...

  i heart gravitar,
  k-j

  madison electric single out soon..yay!
  droo agrees jj is cute, but then again she's his friend...
  i need more godzuki, btw...

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:38:31 -0500
From: "Johnathan A. Rickman" (jknee@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU)
Subject: Warm Miami May (again)


On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Roy Burns wrote:

> Lauren (bass) is in the band Viva Satellite that also happens to contain Rob
> Eggs/Grenadine and is inclined towards doing conceptual musical/play-like
> material. Basically it's just Lauren and Rob. Their stuff can be had on
> TeenBeat.

actually, Lauren just quit Viva too! she moved to Philly, where I think she's
from originally. i got to see the satellite play last sunday, and they have
a new female singer, and a stand-in on bass. or maybe he's permanent? his
name is ian.

> Mike (drummer)...not sure what happened with him.

neither do i, but i do know that Gabe, who drummed on their lp, is working
at Taco Bell in Arlington, VA. He scored me and my friend jeff some choco
tacos!!!

> John (ex-Eggs) drummed on some Air Miami demos (like the version of "Neely"
> on the YEAH BUT 7"). I don't know if he ever played live with them. You can
> ask him if he's still on the list.

no, i never played live with them sadly, but i played on four songs off of
their second demo. the version of "Neely" on the YEAH BUT 7", features a drum
machine! the credits that list me on drums was a typo/mistake. i forget why
that happened. i think Mark wanted the version off the demo, but 4AD put on
a different one. oh well......:)

fuck em' bucky!
cyas.


Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:50:10 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: the two members of AIR MIAMI that used to play bass and drums


>Can anybody tell me what happened to the two members of AIR MIAMI that
>used to play bass and drums but now it's just Mark Robinson, the
>beautiful Bridget Cross, and a drummer who, although I can't remember
>the name, is not the same as the drummer before.  Does anyone know?

Don't know what ex-drummer Mike Fellows is up to, but Lauren Feldsher is now
in Viva Satellite doing a kind of 60's musical stuff, with ex-Eggs Rob
Christiansen. They did a 7" on Happy Go Lucky , called 'Episode D'Amour
Matinee' (HAPPY 002) -with 2 French types, a 7" on TeenBeat, called
'Leonardo' (TB 146) and they have just released a really wonderful CD,
'Nishma' (TB 186).

Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:17:38 CST
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: Opinions requested

              

here are my opinions:

1. buy the liquorice album!

2. buy the air miami album if you can find it in a cut-out bin or something.
   it's alright to listen to, but i like unrest so much more.

3. uhh...err...buy the liquorice album!

love and kisses,
janice
who is drunk on cherry coke, thank you. :)


Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:53:02 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: cindyTalking some more...


I dug up a cindyTalk CD ep yesterday which I didn't even realize I had.  It's
called "Secrets and Falling".  The tracks are:

1. Song of Changes
2. The moon above me
3. in sunshine
4. empty hand

It is copyright 1991 by Midnight Music (Dong 76 CD).

I am trying to find his other two releases (in this world) and (wappinshaw)
but so far everyone wants around $20 for them.

Can anyone tell me where this ep came from?  Are the songs off here
representative of in this world or wappinshaw?  How about buying these other
CDs?  Any place have them cheaper?

thanks


marvynHortman      Director FAQ --> ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:39:02 -0500
From: Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group
Subject: DCD 'Sinful Garden'


Does anyone have the Dead Can Dance (bootleg) 'Sinful Garden'?  I saw it in a
mail order catalog and wondered if any one had any comments on tracks, sound
quality, etc.

Thanks!
Tom
thomulka.worldgroup@notes.compuserve.com


Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:09:47 -0500
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: "Hey Hey Hey I've got it! Warren DeFEVER!!!!!!"


For those who'll buy anything, no everything from Warren Defever, the
Princess Dragon Mom CD is essential. As close as he'll come to putting out an
album of lip-farts. Experimental with an emphasis on MENTAL.

...and free corn too (the newest 4AD sampler)!!!

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:30:29 +0100
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: More Opinions requested


I already asked about both Liquorice and Air Miami, how about Tarnation? Is
that a recommended album?

-nb-


Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:10:59 -0500
From: IVSONGS@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: That Petrol Emotion.....


>>Then there was another LP (something about fire or the sort) - feel free to
fill in the title at this point. I suppose this is question 1coupled with
what am I mssing here?
Question 2 - are they now defunct?<<

Their last was released stateside by Ryko and in the U.K. on their label.

I don't think you are missing anything.

Yes they broke up. Steve Mack left the group. He's in another group. Don't
know who though.

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:30:27 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: signing off [was: HNIA Question Repost]


blubelknol@aol.com writes:
>trying sending  message to:
>     LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU
>type anything in the subject line, in the message firld type ONLY:
>
>     UNSUBSCRIBE 4AD-L@AMERICAN.EDU

No, the correct command to put in the body is:
      signoff 4AD-L

Honest to god, kids, all this info is right there near the top of the
FAQ. I'll spell out the URL once again (I feel like I'm on ZOOM singing
"Boston, Mass 0-2-1-3-4"!)

      http://www.inow.com/~jens/Jens/4AD_FAQ.html

>if all else fails, write to Jens Alfke....he should be able to help you
better.

NOOO!!! I am *NOT* the list admin, nor do I want people bugging me with
questions that are already answered in the FAQ. I realize our admin, Jim
Jones  is out to lunch and more or less unavailable,
but that does not make me the surrogate admin, I will not sign up for
that job.

Be warned that I have a mail filter that already deletes most messages
with key phrases like "unsubscribe" in the subject.

PLEASE, EVERYONE, if you have a question that you suspect might have come
up already, please check the FAQ.

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:06:32 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Orvill's Lessons


yes its true that the way to succeed in business is to do one thing
better than anyone else. As long as it remains clear that Microsoft's
forte has been marketing and NOT quality software.What was that beautiful
line someone wrote about convincing the lemmings to consume a floopy disc
full of feces?

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:14:39 +0800
From: Tony Ting (s8700057@SINGNET.COM.SG)
Subject: Single girl


I don't understand why lots of people out there think single girl is the
least attractive song in lovelife. Although I'm not the biggest lush fan
here, at least I still can appreciate single girl and none of the songs in
their lastest album are shit.
                  ======================Tony Ting========================
                       ========s8700057@singnet.com.sg=================


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