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Subject: Re: Stoa - Partus; Microsoft - Suckus
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:18:08 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: 4AD (Lush, Mojave 3, Sheer) touring??
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:39:17 -0800
From: Shoegazer (stevel@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Is Minty a Man?
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:25:27 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: corrections to cindytalk show and stuff
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:00:42 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Stoa
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:26:02 -0600
From: Neshtikin Byram (nrbyram@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Tortoise
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 06:53:01 -0500
From: glass museum (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Stereolab & Denim
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:24:11 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: NDN:4AD (Lush, Mojave 3, Sheer) touring??
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:42:52 EST
From: Network Manager (system@WI.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Stoa - Partus; Microsoft - Suckus
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:25:01 -0600
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: Re: 4ad wwweb page
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:25:27 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD (Lush, Mojave 3, Sheer) touring??
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:31:27 -0500
From: "bcrayon@en.com" (bcrayon@EN.COM)
Subject: HNIA Question Repost
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:27:28 CST
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: Re: Cocteaus on Hotwired
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:45:39 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: NDN:4AD (Lush, Mojave 3, Sheer) touring??
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:34:03 +0000
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: NDN:4AD (Lush, Mojave 3, Sheer) touring??
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:38:43 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: NDN:4AD (Lush, Mojave 3, Sheer) touring??
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:05:36 -0600
From: Holly Emmer (hemmer@RRGROUP.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD (Lush, Mojave 3, Sheer) touring??
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 12:05:06 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Cindytalk and Rachel's review
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:37:27 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Lush 'Ladykillers'/Scheer 'Shea'
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:33:42 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: The Cardigans - Life
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:59:42 -0500
From: MiloV@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: HNIA Question Repost
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:10:18 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM

Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:18:08 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: Stoa - Partus; Microsoft - Suckus


>BTW; Microsoft is a huge grossly-overfed monolith of a corporation which
>produces mediocre software at best.  However, I have no problem with Bill
>Gates' right to earn a fortune from millions of lemmings too unintelligent to
>know the difference between a hot steaming floppy-disk-of-feces and good
>software.  I'm not their mother.  Everyone has the right to buy a pet-rock.
>Likewise Vaughn Oliver has the right to suckle at the teat of Bill all he
>wants.


...well, there are no complaints in my part.  I'd rather see for myself that
it sucks, which it doesn't, rather than to judge by what i hear from the
media.
This is, BTW, a stupid topic (flaming MS) started by mac rejects who weren't
smart enough to buy Microsoft to begin with.  But, that is my opinion, if
you have a mac and have no complaints... i won't ay anything.  --to each his
own.


Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:39:17 -0800
From: Shoegazer (stevel@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: 4AD (Lush, Mojave 3, Sheer) touring??


Has anyone heard about this...mini 4AD lollapalooza (as NME described it)
supposedly taking place in the states?? Lush, Mojave 3, and Sheer are the
bands listed as playing.  Any info would be really appreciated...thanks!

                                              steve
                                              stevel@eden.rutgers.edu


Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:25:27 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Is Minty a Man?

              1996 11:55:49 -0600

joseph burns said:
>   >microsoft kicks ass if what you appreciate is coporate
>   hell, hostile
>   >take-overs, idea stealing, and industry monopolization.
>   Yeah they kick
>   >ass at being ruthless business moguls, but there are
>   far better products
>   >out there.
>   >imho of course
zelzah said:
>   ...microsoft
>   works for me, whether all that bs you claim is true or
>   not, i could care less what goes on around the world as
>   far as business news goes ...it's so lame.

You'd care if you or your family worked at a small software company.  I suppose
you're perfectly happy with Blockbuster and Ticketmaster too eh?  (no need to
answer that)

>   and anyway,
>   if microsoft was as bad as you claim it is, it wouldn't
>   be as popular as it is today ...like it really matters,
>   right, but people wouldn't buy into it if it sucked and
>   they would apparently be gone.

They are not "bad" at what they do, they're extremely good at what they do.  The
way they do it, however, seems to leave a bit to be desired.  I don't know
enough about the validity of the accusations BUT i do know that it is a
*concern*.

-cz

Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:00:42 -0500
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: corrections to cindytalk show and stuff


desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU (Sargent David Edward) wrote :

"tone played with a cast (ensemble) of 7! guitars (only
one bass), two percussionists, and two trombonists. "



actually there were eight guitarists one trombonist, one trumpter and of the
percussionists, luckily their original drummer (who used to be the drummer
for unrest) returned for the show.

i feel obliged to make these comments only because i know 5 members of the
band and i did the illustration work on their first cd and i try to support
them where i can.





"i didn't know what to expect from cindytalk since the only album(s) i've
heard is(are) "in this world". the show seemed to be a synthesis of that
work; slow and brooding at times while harsh and piercing at others. very
strange stuff in my book. my friend says they did an eno cover. for an
encore they stuck in "help me lift you up" in the middle of a song. very
cool."

unfortunately i found the show mostly unlistenable even though i am a big
cindytalk fan. i did not know that gordon sharp was such a cross dresser. i
stood the whole time saying to myself "this is the guy who sang kangaroo on
the first tmc album and was almost in the cocteau twins. yikes" . i went away
from the show wishing that they would have done what they did for their
encore during the whole show. the encore was filled with the beauty that
cindytalk can have. i hope that the bugs are ironed out for the rest of the
tour, this being the first date.

Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:26:02 -0600
From: Neshtikin Byram (nrbyram@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Stoa


The second Stoa album is mostly instrumental.  So, if you are looking for
more of Connie's vocals, Porta VIII might not be your disc.  IMO,however,the
first cd is absolutely fantastic--"Infant Joy" is one of the most beautiful
and uplifting things I have ever heard--it's absolutely breathtaking.
  All things considered, if you didn't like the first one, you probably
won't like the second.  HOWEVER, do yourself a favor--wait a few days and
listen to the first Stoa release (Urthona) again.  It might not seem like as
much of a 'let down' and you'll probably like it much more.

I hope some of this rant was helpful.

Neshtikin Byram


>I have been listening to Heavenly Voices III alot lately, in particular this
>one song.  I absolutely love this song.  It's one of the most beautiful songs
>I've heard in a long time.  Easily my favorite song of the year.  The only
>song that comes close is the cranes "far away".  It is perfect in every way
>(except it's too short)
>
>I picked up Stoa's first release on Hyperium (Urbona?) but it is very
>disappointing compared to this song.  I was wondering if anyone on here has
>their latest release?  It's called "Porta VIII" I believe.


Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 06:53:01 -0500
From: glass museum (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Tortoise


Andrew, who looks nothing like how I imagined he would, wrote:

>Also bought Tortoise's "Millions Now Living Will Never Die".  While I
>can hear the tenuous links to Stereolab, I kept thinking of Felt's
>"Train Above the City" jazz instrumental album.  It's a relaxing,
>pleasant collection of instrumentals, perfect for flicking through the
>arts review pages of the Observer on a Sunday evening.  I can't hear
>why people rave about them, though.

The new album has a more mellow, soundtrack-type feel to it, especially on
tracks like "Along the Banks of Rivers". I've seen them live and they were
much more energetic then. Try the remix album that came out previously,
entitled "Rhythms, Resolutions and Clusters" - it's much less relaxing. As
for the links with Stereolab, I hear that David Pajo (ex-Slint) from
Tortoise is now the new drummer for Stereolab as well and has worked on
their upcoming album. Have to check out that Felt album now...

Larry

"I'm priceless,
        you're worthless,
                but it's not a bad match"

Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:24:11 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Stereolab & Denim


Stereolab's "Cybele's Reverie" - no great surprises, the A-side
(produced by Paul Tipler) is one of those songs which sounds as if it
ought to be in a late sixties light romantic comedy film, possibly with
Jack Lemmon and Sophia Loren taking their honeymoon in Switzerland.
Sean O'Hagan arranges some tasteful strings.  The three B-sides were
produced by one of the chaps from Tortoise, and again glide by in a
pleasant and not entirely unexpected manner - there's some saxophone on
"Young Lungs", "Brigitte" is another lightweight French pop song (all
the lyrics on these songs are in French), and "Les Yper Yper Sound"
comes closest to their Too Pure days.  There's something missing,
though - at their best, listening to Stereolab is either like being on
a fast express train, a sense of speed and energy and movement, or like
listening to the best pop group on the planet.  ("Lo Boob Oscillator"
manages to combine both).  This single isn't tuneful enough or
energetic enough.

Denim's "Denim on Ice" is a fairly depressing thing.  "Back in Denim"
was an optimistic record, about dumping previous failure (I get the
impression that Lawrence doesn't regard his years with Felt with the
same affection most of us do), and going back to the time of your youth
to recapture your early enthusiasm.  The new album is about coming to
terms with the fact that it didn't work - Lawrence split from Siobhan,
and although the sound is the same and the band are (mostly) the same
people, the lyrics are dour and there's not the same energy or verve
which made the first album so great.  By the end of the album (18 songs
in just under an hour) I felt as if I had just read someone's suicide
note.  There are some touches of humour, but mostly the tone is sour and
fairly gloomy (there's a great line which goes something like "you can
sign with Cherry Red, they'll pay you fifty quid, you'll be recording in
a shed").

And Lou Reed's latest, for those of you interested, sounds like he hired
Neil Young's band (although it's actually Reed, the distinctive bass of
Fernando Saunders, and a drummer).  Hardly "redefining adult rock" as
some people have claimed, I have only listened to half of it so far but
if the other half's similar then it is a competent but not spectacular
album - about on a level with "New Sensations", say.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 20/02/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Brian Eno - Vocal


Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:42:52 EST
From: Network Manager (system@WI.MIT.EDU)
Subject: NDN:4AD (Lush, Mojave 3, Sheer) touring??


Your mail to the Microsoft Mail Server could not be fully
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:25:01 -0600
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: Re: Stoa - Partus; Microsoft - Suckus


At 08:18 PM 2/19/96 -0600, you wrote:
>>BTW; Microsoft is a huge grossly-overfed monolith of a corporation which
>>produces mediocre software at best.  However, I have no problem with Bill
>>Gates' right to earn a fortune from millions of lemmings too unintelligent to
>>know the difference between a hot steaming floppy-disk-of-feces and good
>>software.  I'm not their mother.  Everyone has the right to buy a pet-rock.
>>Likewise Vaughn Oliver has the right to suckle at the teat of Bill all he
>>wants.
>
>
>...well, there are no complaints in my part.  I'd rather see for myself that
>it sucks, which it doesn't, rather than to judge by what i hear from the
>media.
>This is, BTW, a stupid topic (flaming MS) started by mac rejects who weren't
>smart enough to buy Microsoft to begin with.  But, that is my opinion, if
>you have a mac and have no complaints... i won't ay anything.  --to each his
>own.

Welcome to my killlist!

Why is it that most everything you, zelzah,  have contributed to this list
since you arrived is this sort of infantile shit?  If you can't play nice
like the rest of us perhaps you should unsubscribe here and subscribe to the
everything-I-have-and-everything-I-believe-is-the-way-to-be-and-everyone-els
e-who-doesn't-feel-the-same-is-an-idiot list...I understand the
conversations over there are right up your alley.

BTW, just because someone prefers a Macintosh doesn't mean that they didn't
choose Microsoft, as Microsoft makes primarily *software* and not *computers*.

Chad

"Move inside my daydream"


Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:25:27 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4ad wwweb page


wow! took my first look at the 4ad wwweb page today. funny how webcrawler
and assorted other searchengines didnt list the url for this page. it's
amazing! complete with v23 graphics.  the only drawback is the time it
takes to load (forever), even with a direct tap into the 'net like the
one i enjoy here at school.  check it out:



oops that's the page im still on. you'll get the rest from there.


Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:31:27 -0500
From: "bcrayon@en.com" (bcrayon@EN.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD (Lush, Mojave 3, Sheer) touring??


Well I know there is a date booked in Cleveland, OH for May 6th.  I'm not
sure of any others though.

johnc/



>Has anyone heard about this...mini 4AD lollapalooza (as NME described it)
>supposedly taking place in the states?? Lush, Mojave 3, and Sheer are the
>bands listed as playing.  Any info would be really appreciated...thanks!
>
>                                              steve
>                                              stevel@eden.rutgers.edu
>


Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:27:28 CST
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: HNIA Question Repost

              <960219203544_226202856@mail02.mail.aol.com>

just to let you know...i do not have a cover on my hnia either

love and kisses,
janice
who has been trying to get off this list since december and is *still*
trapped here in 4ad land...is this my fate?

Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:45:39 -0600
From: "Michael R. M. Cheselka" (mikec@FAUSTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Cocteaus on Hotwired


Is there a transcript of the chat?


Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:34:03 +0000
From: Jon Kvebaek (ceejok@CEE.HW.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: NDN:4AD (Lush, Mojave 3, Sheer) touring??


Network Manager wrote:
>
> Your mail to the Microsoft Mail Server could not be fully
> delivered!   No Valid Recipients!   It has been deleted.
>
> Error List:
>   Bad 'To:' Address: lawren wu@Post Office Annex

Wow...there we go - another crippled mail server... Wanna have a go at
this one Jens? The last one was brilliant ;)

Lush is playing here in Edinburgh soon...I'll post a review when I've
been there.
--
Jon Kvebaek    http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceejok

Teleport and exteriorization equipment can be constructed by any boy
mechanic in his basement workshop. References are 'Collected Works of
Willam Reich', 'Journeys Out of the Body' by Robert A. Monroe.
                             - William S. Burroughs, "Port of Saints"

Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:38:43 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: NDN:4AD (Lush, Mojave 3, Sheer) touring??


>Your mail to the Microsoft Mail Server could not be fully
                  ^^^^^^^^^

go wild, kids. . .

>delivered!   No Valid Recipients!   It has been deleted.
>
>Error List:
>  Bad 'To:' Address: lawren wu@Post Office Annex

cool!  i was starting to miss those dump.com messages!

about that tour. . .it's called, "shaving the pavement," as has been
discussed before on this list.  as far as i know, there aren't any dates
set yet.  keep your eye on http://www.iuma.com/4ad for details (i think
that's the url, but i could be wrong.)

boroda told me the other day that rachel mojave (wow, typing that feels
weird) ruptured her eardrums on a plane awhile back (apparently that's what
they talk about on the slowdive/mojave list ;), so who knows if they'll
still be on the tour.  (anyone?)

well, that's what i know,

BiZ

"if you're so special, why aren't you dead?"
        -the breeders


Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:05:36 -0600
From: Holly Emmer (hemmer@RRGROUP.COM)
Subject: Re: NDN:4AD (Lush, Mojave 3, Sheer) touring??


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umm... hi.
what i know is that rachel ruptured her
ears twice and had to go to the dr. -
they are in states touring now, i think.
i read about them in this month's
Alternative Press mag. - a very fine mag,
i might add.  they still seemed like they
were going to continue the tour as
planned.

ok - that's all i know.

by the way, i'm really into laika now.
anyone hear of/like guided by voices?

holly

>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 12:05:06 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: 4AD (Lush, Mojave 3, Sheer) touring??


The tour starts in March, and runs through May, I believe.  Call the
hotline at 310/535-1714 for details. =)

Strick9


Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:37:27 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Cindytalk and Rachel's review


>Cindytalk seem to me as if it's the perfect blend of something you might here
>off of Projekt with a bit 'o noise, hints of TMC, and mesmerizing vocals all
>rolled into one.

Be warned that the earlier releases have more than a bit o' noise. "In
This World" is about 1/2 semi-ambient piano with subtle noises in the
background, 1/4 pounding scary noise, and 1/4 unclassifiable strangeness.
"Camouflage Heart" is probably at least half noise. By "noise", think
maybe halfway between Ministry and "Garlands" ... :)

"In This World" is absolutely essential. If you find the vinyl be warned
that it is a two record set with the discs released separately with
slightly different covers and catalog numbers one digit apart. The one
with "No Serenade" and "In This World..." is quieter, the one with
"Janie's Love" and "Circle Of Shit" is noisier. The CD release combines
both LPs.


__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke         Support the power of woman         jens@mooseyard.com
                      Use the power of man
                   Support the flower of woman
                       Use the word: FUCK        _______________________
                        The word is love         www.inow.com/~jens/Jens


Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:33:42 +0100
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Lush 'Ladykillers'/Scheer 'Shea'


I hardly dare to say this but I REALLY LIKE like the new Scheer 'Shea' CD-EP
(BAD 6003 CD).
And the 2nd volume of that new Lush 'Ladykillers' CD-EP (BADD 6002 CD) isn't
bad either!!

Okay, start stoning me...... NOW!!

I'm sure people will moan about the V23 artwork for the Scheer 'Shea' CD/7".
But don't those 2 worms on the frontcover look like they are in love? Almost
moving.

Frank
(additional handclaps on track 9124)

+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:59:42 -0500
From: MiloV@AOL.COM
Subject: The Cardigans - Life


I just picked up the new Cardigans album Life.  Great stuff.  Kinda
reminds me of Shellyann Orphan, especially century flower.  It's poppier
than SO, much less Dark, also less jazzy, but technically similar.  Maybe
a little like Allison Statton or the Marine Girls.

It's on Minty Fresh Records.

They cover sabbath bloody sabbath, by Black Sabbath, it doesn't sound
like the original (duh!) neither does their other Sabbath cover, Mister
Crowley, from one of the singles.



James 

For in these post-absolutist days it is better to build upon the shifting
sands than the rock which will confound you on the day it shatters.

Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:10:18 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: HNIA Question Repost


trying sending  message to:

     LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU

type anything in the subject line, in the message firld type ONLY:

     UNSUBSCRIBE 4AD-L@AMERICAN.EDU

if all else fails, write to Jens Alfke....he should be able to help you
better.

hate to see you go...

-blubelknol@aol.com


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