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Subject: 4AD 1987 12" Comp.
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:53:02 -0800
From: Lab User (labuser@DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Melody maker/NME (Lush stuff)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 23:07:29 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: compilations -- goldmine
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 22:04:23 -0600
From: Katherine Searcy (K0S0113@ACS.TAMU.EDU)
Subject: Is Minty a Man?
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:25:55 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: "All Virgo's Are Mad"
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 23:46:45 -0500
From: Robert Goodman (rgoo@JAXNET.COM)
Subject: Annie Williams, Underworld, and Cocteau Twins
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 22:50:47 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Blue Nile
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:55:00 -0800
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Virus al leer el correo
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 23:07:16 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: pre-4AD demos available
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 01:23:55 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Heard "Lovelife"; it's not shit, but...
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:22:13 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Re: Pixies = Black Francis
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:19:16 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: and another thing (lush)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 23:24:05 -0500
From: Robert Goodman (rgoo@JAXNET.COM)
Subject: Re: compilations -- goldmine
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:52:54 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: "All Virgo's Are Mad"
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:38:49 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: No 4AD Content - Movie Info REQ.
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:59:05 -0500
From: "...love will tear us apart...again..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Last Night ep at Vinylink (lush)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 23:34:29 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD 1987 12" Comp.
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:36:17 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Autechre/Spacetime Continuum dates
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 02:39:02 -0500
From: Michael Hauben (hauben@cs.columbia.edu)
Subject: Re: Melody maker/NME (Lush stuff)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 11:25:15 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: pre-4AD demos available
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 08:41:57 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Xymox - Phoenix
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 09:45:02 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: pre-4AD demos available
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 09:51:47 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pixies = Black Francis
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 09:50:17 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: compilations -- goldmine
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 10:13:13 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: Re: swallow?
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 12:38:45 -0500
From: Sargent David Edward (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Lush, Scheer eps etc
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 11:54:18 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Autechre/Spacetime Continuum dates
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 13:28:06 -0500
From: Formica (tsugar@ACS.RYERSON.CA)
Subject: Anyone want to trade with me?
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 16:28:31 -0500
From: Deanna Phillips (dp@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: breeders/pixies/tm bootlegs
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 16:48:32 EST
From: "Michael D. Calfee" (MC9781A@AMERICAN.EDU)
Subject: Re: "All Virgo's Are Mad"
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 22:52:38 +0100
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" (lapierre@MICRONET.FR)
Subject: Nigel Grierson
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 14:19:00 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Josephine Wiggs
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 16:36:56 -0500
From: DOTY ELIZABETH E (DOTYEE@DLU.EDU)
Subject: Music Box: initial opinions, and: looking for Andreas Waczymski
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:40:40 -0800
From: Vidar Hanssen (vidarh@dataconsult.no)
Subject: BAD 5
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 15:18:09 -0800
From: Ed Wakabayashi (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Re: Jars of Clay
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:41:32 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:53:02 -0800
From: Lab User (labuser@DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: 4AD 1987 12" Comp.


I know i've posted this message a million times, but no one has offered
to sell a copy to me!  If you have a copy, and would like to sell it, i
would be more then willing to buy it from you.  Thank you so much...

Matt (skaoioi@aol.com)


Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 23:07:29 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Melody maker/NME (Lush stuff)


Scott redeemed himself by asking politely:

>    Which magazine had the poster where Lush were holding their >boobas?

Try Playboy's "Girls of 4AD" special issues.  I believe it's the '92 edition.

>And if so does that magazine offer back copies?

Sure do.

jason

srilank@aol.com

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 22:04:23 -0600
From: Katherine Searcy (K0S0113@ACS.TAMU.EDU)
Subject: compilations -- goldmine


if you're looking for any of these compilations or other cool things in general,
check out the record collector's magazine, Goldmine. it's 100 pages of record
store ads. i've seen all teh compilations, lilliput, the lonely gatefold,
mai pen rai (3 versions), and much more. prices can be Really elevated though.
(that was $4)

-=thrine=-

Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:25:55 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Is Minty a Man?


A couple days ago I recieved a few info/press sheets from 4AD about the exhi=

'Is Minty a Man' Vaughan Oliver and v23 graphic works 1988 - 1996 (fumph)

at the gallery of the University of Northumbria, Newcastle Upon Tyne - 24.02=
-29.03.96

A lot of words about the history of 23 envelope/v23 and the guys who work=
 there and some interesting info about: "Oliver's most recent venture, with=
 the Los Angeles production company Satellite Films, has resulted in v23's=
 first television commercials for clients Microsoft, Converse and Sony."

Has anybody seen these commercials? Who can give more information about them=
...

On the first page of this info sheet there's a bad photocopy of the=
 poster/flyer design for the exhibition. Three elephants and a guy with some=
 kind of cap round his neck (like the one they like to put on sick cats and=
 gogs) and with a dammaged (burned) vinyl record in his hand. And ofcourse=
 some typography and a logo. Who is this man? Is it Minty? Is he a man? (fum=
ph)



Emiel Efdee

the Netherlands, February 17, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl=20


Wahoo!

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 23:46:45 -0500
From: Robert Goodman (rgoo@JAXNET.COM)
Subject: "All Virgo's Are Mad"


If anyone missed last years 4ad smapler "All Virgo's Are Mad"  I have two
copies that are still sealed. This comp has songs from almost every 4AD
artist and all are exclusive to this compilation. I have seen them sold for
over $20, but will take the two best offers on these comps. E-mail me
rgoo@jaxnet.com if you are intersted.
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 22:50:47 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Annie Williams, Underworld, and Cocteau Twins


I whirled through a record store earlier today and bought three eps.
So why not write some micro-reviews?

Underworld - Born Slippy

Three "mixes" of a track that hasn't been released anywhere else, I
think.  If you were one of the millions who swooned over
"Dubnobasswithmyheadman" -- this is 27 minutes more of that, only with
a faster beat.  It sort of sounds like they're trying to be all
jungly, but it isn't, of course.  Very nice, but they really should
have written a melody line for those 10 minutes in the middle of "Born
Slippy .NUXX".  Wicked mental dope.


Cocteau Twins - Otherness

When y'all called this "ambient", you weren't kidding.  I though it'd
be like "Victorialand".  It isn't.  It's... ambient.  It's ok, I
guess, but it's certainly not particularly exciting.  But the thing
I'm wondering about -- if they were so keen to get away from all
things 4AD, why did they hire Jim Friedman to do the sleeve?  Huh?
Huh?


Annie Williams - Ruby

Wasn't this the release e (he of great taste) gushed all over a while
back?  So when I saw this, I naturally grabbed it, threw some money at
the guy behind the counter and *rushed* home to plonk it into my cd
player.  And as I sat there expecting heaven to descend on me, out of
the speakers came...  A. C. Marias.  And Laika.  But sounding more
contemporary.  Somewhat of a letdown, I must say.  Not that I mind
listening to Wire from around '82, but it's been done, and done
again.  It's nice, though.

--
  "Yes.  The journey through the human heart
     would have to wait until some other time."

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:55:00 -0800
From: David Mccallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Blue Nile


On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Robert A. Szkolnicki wrote:

> I have a Blue Nile CD-3 for "The Downtown Lights" that contains a couple
> unreleased tracks, "The Wires Are Down" (a track that probably never made it
> to Hats) and an instrumental called "Halfway To Paradise". I also saw a
> single for "Saturday Night" that contained a live version of the song. I
> still kick myself for not buying that one.

        I have a CD5 with "Saturday Night (bob clearmountain remix)",
"Saturday Night" and "Easter Parade" - a new version with co-vocals by
Rickie Lee Jones.
        Just FYI,
        David.


Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 23:07:16 -0500
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Virus al leer el correo


>>> > Virus Good Times en los e-mail:
>>>
>>>
>>> >SUBJECT:  VIRUSES--IMPORTANT PLEASE READ IMMEDIATELY
>>> >
>>> >       There is a computer virus that is being sent across the
>>> > Internet.   If you receive an e-mail message with the subject
>>> > line "Good  Times",   DO NOT  read  the  message,  DELETE it
>>> > immediately.  Please read the messages below.  Some miscreant
>>> > is sending  e-mail under  the title "Good Times" nation wide,
>>> > if you get anything like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE! It
>>> > has a virus that  rewrites  your  hard  drive, obliterating
>>> > anything on it.  Please be careful and forward this mail to
>>> > anyone you care about.
>>> >>********************************************************
>>> > WARNING!!!!!!!  INTERNET VIRUS

ooohhh noooo...

we are doomed :)

I offer this to our "top ten things we could potentially add to the FAQ, that
don't really belong there (because it's not 4AD related) but pop up from time
to time" list.

I know the intention was someone being a good samaritan and trying to save
everybody's hard drives, but this threat of a "Good Times" virus has been
around since the "Good Times" show was on.

Here's a serious damn 4AD question--

Has anyone heard of a Swallow 12" entitled "Sourpuss" put out in Germany in,
oh probably around 1993?

jason

srilank@aol.com

Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 01:23:55 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: pre-4AD demos available


On Fri, 16 Feb 1996 18:12:54 -0800, Matt wrote:


>3.Pixies - 1986 Demos - really really good stuff..doing stuff from come
>on pilgrim, all the way to early as hell "Trompe Le Monde" stuff.  It's
>good good!  But I don't have it yet, I'll get it in a couple weeks...
>$10

"early as hell 'Trompe Le Monde' stuff..." Hmmm. Is it possible Frank
Black hasn't written a song since 1986, and has just been applying
greater and greater strength industrial tools to scrape the bottom of
the barrel? *That* would explain a lot.

Paul

Fuck the CDA.

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:22:13 -0600
From: Martin Wagner (hepcats@EDEN.COM)
Subject: Heard "Lovelife"; it's not shit, but...


Heard "Lovelife" in its entirety tonight, quite by surprise; a promo
turned up at Technophilia here in Austin. After the crushing
disappointment of "Single Girl," which still sucks no matter how many
times I listen to it, I put this on with a little trepidation. After an
initial listen, I will say the new album isn't as bad as I was fearing.
Songs like "Ladykiller," "Heavenly Nobodies," and especially "Olympia"
are all quite good. But longtime fans like myself will likely be
disappointed by the album's straightforward, no-nonsense production,
which strips the sound of the early-Lush mystique and creates a very
radio-friendly, mainstream "alternative" rock sound. Also, though most of
the songs are basically good songs, it seems Emma and Miki aren't being
as adventurous as usual in their approach to songwriting, sticking to
accessible pop formula. Compare a really bizarre yet irresistible
approach to pop songwriting like "De-Luxe" with the relatively been-there
done-that writing on the new album, and you begin to feel the girls
didn't give this one 100%. Still, there are hundreds of shittier albums
out there than this one. It's just that I hold Lush up to a higher standard.

Split and Scar are still the band's finest hours.

Martin
(just my 2c; everybody take a pill...)

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:19:16 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Pixies = Black Francis


>To this day and forevermore I will always
>consider that the Pixies = Black Francis,
>just as Throwing Muses = Kristin Hersh,
>Belly = Tanya Donnelly, and until recently
>Pale Saints = Ian Masters; ie. take away
>the lead singer and it's not the same band.

I recall reading in some interview with Brian Eno a number of years ago
where he goes on about how a song is like painting - the music,
instrumentation, and arrangement comprise the background, and no matter how
intricate and involving the backdrop may be, the human voice - regardless of
its delivery, style, etc. - becomes the totally absorbing foreground element
as soon as it's introduced into the mix (I don't recall what exact point Eno
was delving at, but I think it had something to do with the long series of
instrumental albums that he released up until that collaboration with John
Cale).

I agree with Brant - change the singer, and you thoroughly redefine the
band.  However, the band behind the singer also weighs heavily into the
equation, although not quite as readily perceptively.

BTW, what exactly do you mean, Brant, by "until recently"?  Strictly my
$0.02, of course, but I have yet to be remotely impressed by the post-Ian
Pale Saints.

Cheers,


hk
--
"spin cutting a pattern
 steel I'm writing you this from here
 and I know you can see me"
 -- ESP Continent "Your Hands"
--
hk kahng | hk@neosoft.com & farrago@delphi.com
         | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
         | hey, look! i'm picasso!

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 23:24:05 -0500
From: Robert Goodman (rgoo@JAXNET.COM)
Subject: Re: and another thing (lush)


>e recants:
>>Single Girl is not a good indicator of the new Lush stuff. Lovelife is
>>wonderful. It totally rocks and is a solid album.
>So who's going to start flaming e for _liking_ Lush now? Flaming him for
>panning Lush was so popular last month, I recall.

Actually I've heard both Lush single and the album & 2 US promo sampler
discs that are out to retail & radio & I agree...Single Girl is the WEAKEST
of the tracks out. The 2 single girl singles had one or two songs I rather
liked, & the US sampler is phenominal.....and the Us promo single is too.
The new CD is mixed...half of it belongs with the best Lush tracks of all
time (my favorite is Deluxe) the other half is WEAK.......overall though it
is a must is you have ever liked Lush at all. But 4AD should release thew
promo "Last Night" EP. This has several mixes of "Last night" (GREAT
track...all 3 mixes *****) and Ladykiller demo mixes....along with
previously UK only remixes of older tracks....This is the SHIT! 4AD should
put this out!

I do a weekly indie radio show in Jacksonville Florida & have played almost
3 new Lush songs every week from the singles & promos, and all have gotten
my phones to ring. I truly liked a good bit of this new material, and think
it's worth the investment.

If anyone knows any rad indie stuff or bands from your area that want radio
exposure.... e-mail me. My show "Forbidden Planet" airs on WPLA in
Jacksonville from 8pm to 1am every Saturday & covers everything from
Shoegazer to guitar wash, lounge music to punk rock, and a little house,
trip-hop, ambient & dub too. I can play anything from DAT or CD....so e-mail
me if you know anything interesting.

Thanks for letting me ramble about Lush.......

Robert
rgoo@jaxnet.com
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:52:54 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: compilations -- goldmine


In a message dated 96-02-17 00:24:22 EST, K0S0113 writes:

>mai pen rai (3 versions)...

3 versions?????  I thought there was only 1 "version"...but with 7 different
"colors".

I hate to get technical here...but can anyone else clear this up?  and could
someone also re-post the list of colors that were issued?

-blubelknol@aol.com


Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:38:49 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: "All Virgo's Are Mad"


>If anyone missed last years 4ad smapler "All Virgo's Are Mad"  I have two
>copies that are still sealed. This comp has songs from almost every 4AD
>artist and all are exclusive to this compilation. I have seen them sold for
>over $20, but will take the two best offers on these comps. E-mail me
>rgoo@jaxnet.com if you are intersted.

i see these all over for $10.  no surprise with a "limited" edition of
10,000.  is that inane or what?

>This is a simple sig file

sure is. . .

BiZ


Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:59:05 -0500
From: "...love will tear us apart...again..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: No 4AD Content - Movie Info REQ.


hey there;

the folks in the uk, has the movie "Trainspotting" come out yet?  how is it?
        how about the soundtrack?  i read that Elastica/blur/sleeper are some
        of the bands on it.

thanx for any info.

JHR

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 23:34:29 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Last Night ep at Vinylink (lush)


>promo "Last Night" EP. This has several mixes of "Last night" (GREAT
>track...all 3 mixes *****) and Ladykiller demo mixes....along with
>previously UK only remixes of older tracks....This is the SHIT! 4AD
should put this out!

They did!

For 18 dollars you can pick it up at this sight:

ww2/ari.net/vinylink

                                I know you love me,
                                        Brian!

Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:36:17 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD 1987 12" Comp.


In Message Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:53:02 -0800,
  Matt (skaoioi@aol.com) writes:

>I know i've posted this message a million times, but no one has offered
>to sell a copy to me!  If you have a copy, and would like to sell it, i
>would be more then willing to buy it from you.  Thank you so much...

what is this?  i'm getting a little tired of receiving three to four
messages a day asking, "does anyone have an extra [insert rare 4ad item
here] they could sell me?"  chances are, if no one has answered your post,
no one has an extra one to sell you.  furthermore, is it that difficult to
merge your requests into one post, rather than taper them out over the day?

we're not some inexhaustible fountain of 4ad rarities.  many of us have
desired the same rarities you seek, so just sit back, be patient, and wait
for the auctions to come. . .in the meanwhile, keep checking your used music
stores.

and, for those of you who thought this was a bit harsh, i've already written
the guy privately (at his aol address) with no success.

thanks,

BiZ

Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 02:39:02 -0500
From: Michael Hauben (hauben@cs.columbia.edu)
Subject: Autechre/Spacetime Continuum dates


Note sure if these were posted yet...Just found them on an
ambient digest from earlier in the week!

SPACETIME CONTINUUM TOUR DATES
all dates are co-headlining with AUTECHRE and special guest DJ MARK BROOM

3.6 - Manchester, NH (Flavor@The Cage)
3.8 - NYC (Home@Vinyl)
3.9 - Baltimore (Cloudwatch)
3.13 - Los Angeles (Public Space@Troubador)
3.16 - Ft. Lauderdale (Snyder Park)

Sounds like a wicked ass time - anyone know when Tri Repeate is
being released domestically? (Combined with Garbage and Anvil
Vapr supposed, and I'm sure I misspelled one of those names! %) )

 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Hauben@columbia.edu     Teachers College Dept. of Communications
Amateur Computerist Newsletter  http://www.columbia.edu/~hauben/acn/
WWW Music Index                 http://www.columbia.edu/~hauben/music/


Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 11:25:15 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Melody maker/NME (Lush stuff)


>     I just want the name of the damn magazine, is that too much to ask
>for from you people!?!?!?!?!?

Brian,

It was NME and the pictures you're talking about (the lush boys and girls=
 naked and bodypainted) were made by Kevin Cummins. On the back of this=
 poster you can see a picture of The Inspiral Carpets (Wahoo!). No issue=
 number on this poster and I don't have the original magazine anymore...
Should I scan those images and place them into alt.binaries.nude.celebrities=
?



Emiel Efdee

the Netherlands, February 17, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl




>(like the one they like to put on sick cats and gogs)

Don't you love those little gogs? I'm going to get me a sick gog today!


Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 08:41:57 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: pre-4AD demos available


Hi, Matt
I just wanted to let you know that I've added your poll info to the rest of
what I've compiled so far.  I should be posting the complete results sometime
tomorrow.  Thanks.

Also, I'm interested in the Throwing Muses double Red Heaven CD...I've got
the Japanese version which has all the songs on one disc, but 2 tracks are
missing - one is "Bea" which is one of my all-time favorites.  I don't know
what the bids are looking like, but I'll bid $35.
Talk to you later.
CJ
CreigJ@aol.com


Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 09:45:02 -0500
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Xymox - Phoenix


  David's right...I've always enjoyed the cd, especially "Wonderland"


Tim


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU

Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 09:51:47 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: pre-4AD demos available


I'd like a copy of that Breeders demo if you've still go tnay. What do I
have to do to get it?


Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 09:50:17 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pixies = Black Francis


its unfortunate that bands get associated with their 'front person'. As
with many bands that have strong personalities and dtalents working
together, this is often to the detriment of not just one of the strong
talents in the band, but also to the band itself. If these people can
work together, the 'conflict' between their two personalities can become
the real 'spirit' of a band. The Pixies were a great example (in the
early days) of how this can work. The same can also be said (imho) of the
Pale Saints and Throwing Muses, I never associated these bands with just
one person. It was always the tension between Ian/Graeme/Chris's musical
styles that made the Pale Saints what they were for me. The same with the
Throwing Muses ( if anything I think Kristen's stuff is watered dawn now
that Tanya isn't there to temper it - imho again).
If you've been in a band, you know this to be true, that often the most
magical thing that can happen when making music is when collaboration
actually occurs and you're not just going "ok, bass player you play this
sequence and sing these la la las in the back ground, and drummer you
keep this rythm through the verse then switch to this other thing in the
chorus... " There are rare moments when music or a song takes on a life
of its own, its parent's personalities and talents are ingrained upon it,
but its not a simple 'x wrote it, y sang this part and z kept the rhythm.'

Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 10:13:13 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: Re: compilations -- goldmine


Speaking of _Goldmine_, does anybody know how to get a copy?  I've looked
everywhere for this catalog, and to no avail.  Sad day, indeed.

And, to keep this post sort of thislisty, everyone in the world should
become a fan of Slumberland Records.  I can't stop playing the new Ropers
album, the new Lorelei album and their reissue of Hood's _Cabled Linear
Traction_.

jason eugene

On Fri, 16 Feb 1996, Katherine Searcy wrote:

> if you're looking for any of these compilations or other cool things in genera
, check out the record collector's magazine, Goldmine. it's 100 pages of record
> store ads. i've seen all teh compilations, lilliput, the lonely gatefold,
> mai pen rai (3 versions), and much more. prices can be Really elevated though.
> (that was $4)
>
> -=thrine=-
>


Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 12:38:45 -0500
From: Sargent David Edward (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: swallow?


someone asked about a german(?) 12" called "sourpuss" by swallow. i think
it might be this hard rockin' band that was on sub pop or something once.
if it is indeed our beloved 4ad swallow, i'd like to know where to
procure it. the only non4ad cd of their's that i'm aware of is the "hush"
ep on rough trade. anyone out there want to clue us in again?

"so the parrot says, "can you fly?" "
dave (desarg@mail.wm.edu)

Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 11:54:18 EST
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Lush, Scheer eps etc


Scheer - Shea. Unreconstructed rock 'n' roll it may be, but Shea is one hell of
a track. Brief, storming and pretty damn neat. The second track My World is a
little more restrained and even briefer, but it doesn't really go anywhere in
its two minutes. Demon from the first 4AD 7" appears in acoustic form, and to
these ears sounds the better for it. Some of Scheer's songs are OK wrapped up in
cod-metal guitar, but others are best left alone - and this is one of those. The
final track is a demo version of Nemesis which presumably will appear on the
forthcoming LP. Again they veer dangerously toward Soungarden / Smashing
Pumpkins territory, but again somehow miraculously pull it off. I guess the
wispy Goths out there among you who seem to think that 4AD should forever be
stuck in a 1985 timewarp will probably hate this, but I'm coming off the fence
that I've been sat on since Schism to give Scheer a big thumbs up.

Lush - Ladykillers. Face it, Single Girl was bollocks. Ladykillers sees Lush go
all 1978 on us - the curse of Elastica strikes again. To be honest, the song is
a huge improvement on Single Girl, but then what wouldn't be. Matador starts off
wanting to be the Byrds' 'Everyone's Been Burned', but then goes into some
sub-Mike Flowers easy listening tosh, full of ba-da-das. Written by Phil King
who's probably old enough to remember The Fourth Dimension and the soundtrack to
Hair. Yuk. Ex as a song is Lush-by-numbers, but the good news is that the
arrangement seems to nod at Brotherhood-era New Order. Nice Barney-esque guitar.
Dear Me is the pick of the tracks on the first ep - I think it's a track from
Lovelife (here in demo form). It sound pretty glorious, a swoony waltz-time,
multi-layered thing. The second has another three new songs. Heavenly is a
great, soundtracky piece with a barely audible spoken-word contribution from
Miki. This is more like it. Unfortunately, Carmen is crap. Boring chugging
Britpop. Finally, and Emma's only solo writing contribution to these two eps
(Carmen is co-written, with Miki having solo credit on four songs), we have
Plums And Oranges. Trip-hop beats, a dub-passage. Wow. Cool. It's actually the
sort of thing I'd like them to do more often. Now I might be going mad here, but
this is an old song right? I've tried to fathom out which one, but I'm pretty
sure that this is a song they've recorded before, but with a new (silly) title.
Anyway, these eps are a mixed bag, but we can all breathe a huge sigh of relief
that Single Girl (and to a lesser extent Ladykillers itself) seem to have been
calculated shots at airplay and chart recognition. There are plenty of reasons
here to indicate that Lush haven't lost it. And they never were the most
consistent of bands anyway.

Got some other stuff today - Marta Sebestyen and Rachel's albums, plus a handful
of singles. Will post any opinions later.

- Dez

Current Top 5 LPs - 1. LFO - Advance (Warp), 2. ROC - ROC (Setanta), 3. Tortoise
- Millions Now Living Will Never Die (City Slang), 4. Brotherhood - Elementalz
(Virgin), 5. Dave Clarke - Archive One (R & S)

Current Top 5 Singles - 1. Bjork - Hyperballad (One Little Indian), 2. Scheer -
Shea (4AD), 3. Pavement - Give It A Day (Big Cat), 4. Stasis - History Of The
Future (Mo Wax), 5. DJ Krush - Meiso (4 Hero mixes) (Mo Wax)


Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 13:28:06 -0500
From: Formica (tsugar@ACS.RYERSON.CA)
Subject: Re: Autechre/Spacetime Continuum dates


btw theyre also in Toronto march 30 along with legion of green men (who
are friends of mine) and theyre *amazing* live...its trancendance in
toronto (wicked parties) and i know its way far for all of you but let me
know if youre coming up...

(if you dont know legion of green men, which i know most ppl here dont,
theyre canadian brothers who top all the european lists and are barely
known in north america..they used to be on plus8 i think theyre virgin
now....and aside form being very cool guys they make beautiful music)
Tara


Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 16:28:31 -0500
From: Deanna Phillips (dp@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Anyone want to trade with me?


Hello 4AD list,

This is my first post to an e-list so if I screwed it up, please be kind!

I have been collecting 4AD and related vinyl and cds for about 7 years
now. I have reached a point where I would like to focus on a certain few
bands (Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, Breathless, and Heidi Berry) and
would like to get rid of some others. I will trade albums/cds of Throwing
Muses, His Name is Alive, Xymox, Xmal Deustchland, Sundays, Lush and
others for albums/cds by the above-mentioned four bands.

If you are interested, please email me. This is trade-only--I don't want
to buy or sell.

Thanks,

dp@iglou.com


Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 16:48:32 EST
From: "Michael D. Calfee" (MC9781A@AMERICAN.EDU)
Subject: breeders/pixies/tm bootlegs


could whoever offered the $10 bootlegs pls email me? (matt, I think it was)
I've lost your address.        thanx  mike

Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 22:52:38 +0100
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" (lapierre@MICRONET.FR)
Subject: Re: "All Virgo's Are Mad"


>> 4ad smapler "All Virgo's Are Mad"
>i see these all over for $10.  no surprise with a "limited" edition of
>10,000.  is that inane or what?

AVAM Cd has been reissued in France, only for the new subcribers of
a good fanzine _Magic!_. The packaging is not the same: simple folder,
with an other photography on it: it's the red cherry photography you can find
also on the AVAM flyer.
... just my 20 centimes ...

                       ___
Laurent Lapierre      |-,-|
lapierre@micronet.fr  | - |

Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 14:19:00 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Nigel Grierson


I am in need of some information on the man. Is there someone out there
who can furnish me with some biographical information, discography,
perhaps pointers to magazine articles or some web sites? Almost anything
interesting would be cool and useful. I would really appreciate any help.
Thanks...


 e


Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 16:36:56 -0500
From: DOTY ELIZABETH E (DOTYEE@DLU.EDU)
Subject: Josephine Wiggs


She was on the tour with Luscious Jackson because she and Kate from LJackson
are sweethearts, and she and Kate have just put out a funny seven inch on
Grand Royal Records called "Ladies Who Lunch--Kim's We Love" where they do
cheezy, synthesized versions of Sonic Youth's "Bull in The Heather" and
and instrumental version of "Gigantic."  Well, they aren't that cheezy.  I find
them entertaining really.

dotyee@dlu.edu

Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 15:07:39 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: someone else reviews bel canto


Is this out in the US yet?

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:40:40 -0800
From: Vidar Hanssen (vidarh@dataconsult.no)
Subject: Music Box: initial opinions, and: looking for Andreas Waczymski


Sorry to bother you all, but I'm looking for Andreas Waczymski. I
believe he is on this mailing list...

While I have your attention: I have been listening to Music Box
for a few days now. The initial reaction is a little bit
dissapointment. They have now moved completely over to a "normal"
pop-band, both in sound and in melodies. There are a few hints
of the magic and genious past, but mostly it's just a bit over
average good pop music. Anyways, it has 11 tracks (with a hidden
bonus!) Two versions of "Music Box" which is just Anneli and a
music box. The best tracks are IMO the uptempo ones, track 8 and the
calypso track called something with "..in the jungle".

Bye,
Vidar

Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 15:18:09 -0800
From: Ed Wakabayashi (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: BAD 5


I just purchased what I believe to be the original pressing of
the Rema-Rema 12", Wheel in the Roses (for $10) but I'm not sure
if it is in fact the original pressing.  In Lars' discog, it says
that the original has a blue label  which this does.  It also has
the 'flower' and 'flies' in the run-off grooves.  Since it was
listed in the 1994 catalogue, I assume the reissues were different
but how?  I'm also curious where the original falls into the
'most-sought-after' list.  I remember someone posted a list like
this. if it's still around, could someone mail it to me.  I'm not
so much concerned about how much it is worth since I won't be selling
it.  And one more question: since I won't be able to listen to it
for another month or so (when I get a new turntable), how is the
version of 'Feedback Song' different from the version on Natures
Mortes?  I haven't listened to it in a while.

Thanks,
Ed
--
Edward Wakabayashi                    /\   You've kissed everybody else's
                                      \/   so you can kiss my ass as well
zorg@alois.icon.palo-alto.med.va.gov  /\      -*Her Majesty the Baby*-
zorg@interramp.com                    \/


Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:41:32 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: Jars of Clay


I haven't heard JARS OF CLAY yet, what do they sound like?  i hate making
comparisons but who might they be relative to (like, who would they sound like)?
Aren't they on Tooth And Nail records?  I had a TAN mailorder cat. and they
compared STARFLYER 59 to the pixies....
let me tell you, they DO NOT sound anything like the pixies!
although not bad, i don't like being decieved.
i don't know what that had to do with jars of clay but i had to add it here...
???
-zelzah.

At 09:27 AM 2/16/96 -0600, you wrote:
>hello...
>
>     with the messaages concerning JARS OF CLAY, i thought i'd mention
>their home page.  it's at
>
>     http://www.jarsofclay.com/
>
>and it's pretty nice, with interviews, photoes, and the usual stuff.
>and they are Christians, in fact they got their record deal through a
>gospel music comeptition...just a little trivia.
>
>jason
>
>


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