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Subject: Re: A Postmodern HNIA
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:38:30 -0700
From: Brett Boyd (BOYDB@VAX4.CSMC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Blue Nile
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 01:51:02 GMT
From: "Robert A. Szkolnicki" (Robert_A._Szkolnicki@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Re: Compilations
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:13:21 -0800
From: Immanuel Kan (immanuel@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: NON 4AD: Desperately Seeking BLACK ROBE SOUNDTRACK
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 00:00:48 -0800
From: "E. Coli" (n9546853@BEAKER.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: cosmic baby? (techno talk -- be warned)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:58:58 -0500
From: Sargent David Edward (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Salt tour of the US (Non-4AD)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:57:41 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: mercury rev tapes
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:39:07 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Love Spirals D shows in Mexico
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 01:02:22 -0500
From: Darkwave3@AOL.COM
Subject: Frank Black SUX
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:09:50 +0100
From: Fredrik Pettersson (gy93frpe@TIMRA.SE)
Subject: Re: HNIA live!
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:30:36 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Andrew Norman
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:28:50 +0100
From: Fredrik Pettersson (gy93frpe@TIMRA.SE)
Subject: Anka Wolbert and Pieter Nooten
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:50:34 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: 4ad-pics on jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu;where now?
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:38:32 EST
From: Charles Kim (ST201432@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU)
Subject: Frank Black SUX?
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:13:17 -0500
From: IVSONGS@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Andrew Norman
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:26:44 +0000
From: "That would be telling ..." (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Frank Black SUX
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:29:11 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: cosmic baby, "space track," where from?
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:11:22 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Frank Black SUX
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:54:52 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Compilations
Date: 15 February 1996 02:51
From: 4ad recording artists list
Subject: Galaxie 500
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:13:28 +0100
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Auction???
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:44:33 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Aberdeen split
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:15:55 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Salt tour of the US (Non-4AD)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:20:23 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: fax in the us
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:46:40 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: A Postmodern HNIA (fwd)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:23:43 -0800
From: Carl Steadman (carl@SUCK.COM)
Subject: Re: Andrew Norman
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:04:40 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: HNIA live!
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:26:55 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Frank Black SUX
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:31:57 +0000
From: "That would be telling ..." (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Anka Wolbert and Pieter Noo
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:18:10 +0100
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: Frank Black SUX
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:28:29 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: (idm) cosmic baby, "space track," where from?
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:00:34 -0700
From: Derek Jordan (djordan@LNXLAND1.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Hey you people in New Mexico! - NON 4AD
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:11:34 -0600
From: Holly Emmer (hemmer@RRGROUP.COM)
Subject: Re: HNIA live!
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:33:22 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4ad-pics on jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu;where now?
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:25:41 +0100
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" (lapierre@MICRONET.FR)
Subject: Re: Frank Black SUX
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 02:27:00 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:38:30 -0700
From: Brett Boyd (BOYDB@VAX4.CSMC.EDU)
Subject: Re: A Postmodern HNIA


Gentlemen--
        I must concur!  I enjoy a good scholarly read, but these fundamental
errors are ridiculus.  S/he must have given the album a listen based on some
friends opinion, and then, engaged by HNIA's stuff, wrote like a madwo/man.
        After finishing the "piece," s/he must have looked at the back of the
import disc for the label/distributer and found the 4AD-UK address.  I'm sorry
but for the tone s/he assumes in this essay that's just poorbad scholarship.


 scholarship.
        Really, if a fundamental premise of an essay is based on a friend's
inability to communicate the true information or reading the back of a CD--OI-VE
  Imagine the direction the essay would have taken had s/he known that they
were from Lavonia, Michigan.  Basically, this work, ironically for its erudite
tone, contradicts itself at the most fundamental level when discussing the
contrast between American Zorn and HNIA--when they are both American!
        Somebody de-pant that cheap excuse for a scholar.  Intelligently woven
thoughts and trendy post-modern analytic language or not, this bit is as bad as
when I tried to write about Stalingrad in 3rd grade--based on pictures!

Brett
boydb@csmc.edu


Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 01:51:02 GMT
From: "Robert A. Szkolnicki" (Robert_A._Szkolnicki@mit.bison.mb.ca)
Subject: Re: Blue Nile


I have a Blue Nile CD-3 for "The Downtown Lights" that contains a couple
unreleased tracks, "The Wires Are Down" (a track that probably never made it
to Hats) and an instrumental called "Halfway To Paradise". I also saw a
single for "Saturday Night" that contained a live version of the song. I
still kick myself for not buying that one.

Its great to hear that they are working on some new material.  The last thing
I saw them do was one track on Marie Brennan's solo album. Before that, it
was a track on Robbie Robertson's "Storyville" album.

Robert,
Winnipeg, CANADA


Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:13:21 -0800
From: Immanuel Kan (immanuel@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Compilations


Recently I saw Lilliput CD Set at a store in Berkeley.  It costs $225.
I have asked to look at it.  It is very nice, but absolutely don't
worth that much.  I have tried to negotiate the price, but no luck.
Personally I think the design of "Lonely is an eyesore deluxe vinyl
edition" is much better than Lilliput.


Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 00:00:48 -0800
From: "E. Coli" (n9546853@BEAKER.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: NON 4AD: Desperately Seeking BLACK ROBE SOUNDTRACK


I am searching for the soundtrack to BLACK ROBE.  If you
have this or can get it, please let me know.

Thanks.

Skye

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:58:58 -0500
From: Sargent David Edward (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: cosmic baby? (techno talk -- be warned)


i have a cosmic baby 12" where they give the works to the bladerunner
themesong. btw, the bladerunner soundtrack is fucking great. go buy it now.
dave "who's your daddy" sargent
desarg@mail.wm.edu

On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, the boy in zinc wrote:

> can anyone tell me anything about cosmic baby?  i heard a song by them
> today (something space -- i forget the title), and it was absolutely
> brilliant.  my friend that taped it for me got it off a v/a disc, but i'd
> like to know if they have anything else available.  it sounded really
> familiar (like someone had used it in a movie/tv show or something. . .)
> anyway, any info would be appreciated.
>
> thanks,
>
> BiZ
>
> "in the bed where they make love, she's in a film on the sheets.
>         he shows dreams like a movie, she's the softness of cinema seats. . ."
>         -st. etienne "pale movie"
>


Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:57:41 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Salt tour of the US (Non-4AD)


> Their sound is best described by their label (MVG/Island):
> "From the moment the dissonant album-opening improvisation fades into the
>  wiry carnality of "Honour Me", it's evident that Salt aren't likely to
>  conform to easily-delineated, alterna-rock standards. Salt's spartan
>  playing informs songs like "Beauty" with a compelling astringency, while
>  Nina's commanding vocal presence mandates undivided attention."

Does this quote actually say anything?

Mike

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:39:07 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: mercury rev tapes


hey,

i haven't mailed your tapes yet because i'm still waiting to get the video
from my friend.  he wants me to come visit him, and i think he's holding
off until then.  i'll call him and get him to mail it, or maybe i'll make
a road trip next weekend.

anyway, i found a copy of the 'something for joey' promo single.  it has
five songs:  'something for joey', the thing they did with the composer
(i think this is from the 10" you have), live versions of 'very sleepy rivers'
and another song i forget, and an interview with ron jeremy(i guess this isn't
a song, but very funny).  i'll tape this and the leggo my ego disc.  send me
you address again because i have it somewhere but can't seem to locate it.

the show with hum is monday.  i'll let you know how it was.

later,
alan


Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 01:02:22 -0500
From: Darkwave3@AOL.COM
Subject: Love Spirals D shows in Mexico


Next in their sporadic acoustic tour,  Projekt artists Love Spirals Downwards
will be playing in Mexico City on Thursday Feb 29 at Museo Universitario del
Chopo.  This event will also include a "D.J. Ambiental" as well as exclusive
showings of videos from the Hyperium label.  The event begins at 19:00 hrs.

On Saturday March 2, there will be a 2'nd show in Guadalajara, and a possible
show there as well on Friday March 1.

For further information regarding these shows call 011 52 5 7823906


Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:09:50 +0100
From: Fredrik Pettersson (gy93frpe@TIMRA.SE)
Subject: Frank Black SUX


Frank Black SUX.
Kim Deal Rules!
Pixies was great.
This leads to following conclusion: Kim Deal was Pixies! Frank Black was a
load of Bullshit draging Pixies down, without Kim Deal Pixies would also
have sucked!
OK?


Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:30:36 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA live!


Can anyone confirm whether HNIA is or is not playing this saturday (17th)
at the green room in ypsilanti michigan?  they were originally scheduled
for last saturday, but it didnt happpen (reasons unclear).

needless to say, i'm reeeely eager to see 'em play.

thanxX

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:28:50 +0100
From: Fredrik Pettersson (gy93frpe@TIMRA.SE)
Subject: Andrew Norman


The Breeders second album is probably the best pop-album ever!!!
Ain=B4t got time to elaborate this right now so that=B4s it!


Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:50:34 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Anka Wolbert and Pieter Nooten

              <31220716.1ABF@dhp.com>

K- wrote:

>hey, in regards to the ex-xymox thing: are you familiar with the Bud
>project? i heard about it long about the time curve broke up, and it
>was supposed to be a collaboration between Toni Halliday and Anka
>Wolbert. but since its mention i've not heard anything about it.

I thought that was understood to have never really gotten off the ground.

>also, did Anka and Pieter leave the band because Ronny Moorings was
>causing it to suck, or did he kick them out so they wouldn't get in
>his way (of sucking harder and faster).

I can't remember.  I do know that Richard (Wells)was sad to see Anka go
because he reckoned she had all the best songs!!

I'll try and remember to quiz Richard next time I see him (maybe tonight).

Simon Hughes

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:38:32 EST
From: Charles Kim (ST201432@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU)
Subject: 4ad-pics on jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu;where now?


I remember that there were downloads of a lot of 4ad pictures (jpegs and gifs)
of covers and various misc. band photos.  It used to be on jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu.
I was wondering if those pics are still there or did they move to a new site?
If so, how do you access it.  Thanks.

Charles_Kim@brown.edu


Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:13:17 -0500
From: IVSONGS@AOL.COM
Subject: Frank Black SUX?


Here goes...

>>Frank Black SUX.
Kim Deal Rules!
Pixies was great.
This leads to following conclusion: Kim Deal was Pixies! Frank Black was a
load of Bullshit draging Pixies down, without Kim Deal Pixies would also have
sucked! OK?<<

The popular opinion of the new Frank Black material is that it is
disappointing (WIRED magazine, though, thinks otherwise) and I have to say
that I agree. However, making such definitive statements about the worth of
Mr. Black compared to that of Kim Deal, in regards to Pixies, is pretty
silly, especially when he was responsible for about 99.9% of Pixies output.

True, Pixies really started to suffer, in my opinion, when Kim's input was at
its lowest (i.e. TROMPE LE MONDE) because the chemistry between them and
their voices together is one of the things that made DOOLITTLE the classic
album that it is, but...

Pixies were Charley-Boy's show.

My point? Well, if I've said it once, I've said it a billion times, people
either get better or don't. Creative people have lulls (i.e. Throwing Muses
from HUNKPAPA to RED HEAVEN) and they get out of them (i.e. Throwing Muses'
UNIVERSITY) or they don't (XYMOX).

Maybe he's spent, but Black Francis WAS Pixies.

Thank-ee,

IV SONGS


Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:26:44 +0000
From: "That would be telling ..." (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Andrew Norman


> The Breeders second album is probably the best pop-album ever!!!
> Ain't got time to elaborate this right now so that's it!
>

Did Andrew make a big contribution to this?


Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:29:11 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Frank Black SUX


On Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:54:52 +0000, Andrew Norman wrote:

>I think if the Pixies had stuck together, they would still have declined
>in quality - the seeds are there in "Bossanova".

Actually, I think the seeds were there as early as "surfer rosa". It's
a great album, but, especially lyrically, I don't think the songs are
as consistently distinguished as those on "come on pilgrim", which is
one of my very favorite releases ever. Then "Doolittle" is good, but
not up to "surfer rosa" standards, etc. Pixies were a brilliant flash
followed by one long fade to black, IMHO.

Paul

Fuck the CDA.

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:11:22 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: cosmic baby, "space track," where from?


we'll try crossposting this one. . .

the song i heard is called "space track."  what album/12"/CD5/etc. is this from?
is this the one on that 12" you mentioned, dave?  it's really damn familiar
and it's driving me NUTS!

BiZ


Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:54:52 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Frank Black SUX

              15, 96 01:09:50 pm

Fredrik Pettersson  wrote:
>
> Frank Black SUX.
> Kim Deal Rules!
> Pixies was great.
> This leads to following conclusion: Kim Deal was Pixies! Frank Black was a
> load of Bullshit draging Pixies down, without Kim Deal Pixies would also
> have sucked!
> OK?

This was also the gist of one of those usenet "threads that never die"
on alt.music.alternative last year - it fizzled out after several months
of "X sucks, Y rules" type posting.  It overlooks the facts that:

1. FB wrote 95% of the Pixies' material.
2. KD wrote about two songs for the Pixies - admittedly "Gigantic" was
   one of their best songs, but people don't love the Pixies just because
   of that song.
3. KD is a good singer and a competent bass player, but Joey Santiago's
   contribution to the band's sound was far more important - in fact,
   there's a good case for saying that without JS the Pixies would have
   been just another pop/punk band.
4. Neither Frank nor Kim have since been able to write songs as good as
   Frank's stuff for the Pixies.  Kim has retreated into an
   "incompetence is good" punk ethic, which sometimes works but sometimes
   can't cover up the fact that very little thought, effort or talent is
   present (50% of the Amps album is great, 50% is worthless rubbish).
   Frank has gone in the other direction, there's too much bland
   competence and not enough wildness and risk-taking, especially in the
   last album.

I think if the Pixies had stuck together, they would still have declined
in quality - the seeds are there in "Bossanova".  Joey might have made
them more interesting than the combined solo careers of Frank and Kim
have been so far, but I still think we'd be bemoaning their inability to
come up with the goods again - it happens to some bands/people, look at
Ride for instance.  Does anyone think that the various members of Ride
will ever make music as essential as those first few EPs?



--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 15/02/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Bjork - Post

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:24:00 +0000
From: Nick Hill (NHill@MSMAIL.CSL.GPT.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Compilations


I HAVE SPARE COPIES OF ALL VIRGOS AND ITCH FOR SALE

NICK
 ----------
From: 4ad recording artists list
Subject: Compilations

Date: 15 February 1996 02:51 I'm interested in obtaining copies of recent 4 AD compilations, including All Virgos are Mad, Lilliput 1 & 2, and The 13 Year Itch. If anyone knows where I can get a copy, or has one for sale, please let me know. Thanks Sandeep Vijan svijan@umich.edu

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:13:28 +0100
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Galaxie 500


Mail*Link(r) SMTP               Galaxie 500

Now that is exactly what I was thinking of. Good call Andrew. The "Isn't
anything" dreamy atmosphere. Thanks for "saving my ass" hehe

-nb- Now listening to the amazing "Don't Fade Away"

>>>>>>>
The Velvet Underground's "1969 Live" album - especially (as Jens said)
the slower songs.  In fact, their rendition of "Here She Comes Now" is
almost identical to the VU's, apart from the vocals.  I think the only
similarity with MBV is that G500 evoke a similar dreamy atmosphere to
"Isn't Anything".  Talking of ex-Creation acts, Lawrence (Felt) has a
new Denim album out soon, there's an interview in this week's NME, quite
disturbing - I certainly wouldn't want to be him.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 14/02/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Bjork - Post
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:44:33 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Auction???


Hey, whatever happened with the RHP "Shock Me" and Insides "Clear Skin" auction?

I seem to have deleted the e-mail of the person that was running it.


. e-mail: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu          NOT an abstract

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:15:55 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Aberdeen split


If you're on the indie list then you supposedly
already know this: Aberdeen has completely
broken up, leaving Beth looking for a new band to
sing for. There may be one more recording coming out
under the name Aberdeen just featuring Beth with some
friends from another band helping out. In the meantime,
we're left with 2 singles on Sarah and one on Sunday.
There's supposedly Bee Gees (!) cover song somewhere,
but I haven't heard it.


|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:20:23 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Salt tour of the US (Non-4AD)


>> Their sound is best described by their label (MVG/Island):
>> "From the moment the dissonant album-opening improvisation fades into the
>>  wiry carnality of "Honour Me", it's evident that Salt aren't likely to
>>  conform to easily-delineated, alterna-rock standards. Salt's spartan
>>  playing informs songs like "Beauty" with a compelling astringency, while
>>  Nina's commanding vocal presence mandates undivided attention."
>
>Does this quote actually say anything?

"they have a unique sound and captivating vocals," says about the same
thing, and in much less space. . .i thought that descrition was pretty damn
funny. . .

BiZ

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:46:40 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: fax in the us


a few days ago, someone on this list mentioned that some us label was going
to distribute and rerelease fax stuff, could you send me the name of the
label to be doing the distribution.

and if there are any other german techno labels being distributed in the us,
could i please get info on those, too?

thanks,

BiZ

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:23:43 -0800
From: Carl Steadman (carl@SUCK.COM)
Subject: Re: A Postmodern HNIA (fwd)


>Not only that, but the Tavener piece is called "The Protecting Veil"
>not "The Darkening Veil" (and might I put in a word for his song cycle
>"To a Child Dancing in the Wind"?) and "Julie" Cruise spells her name
>"Julee". The journal is probably too sophisticated to believe in
>"facts".

Yes, "fact" is an outmoded notion put forth by the ruling hegemony in an
attempt to regulate the horizons of discourse.

But, as an editor (well, I didn't edit the Tavener piece, although I
suppose I'm guilty of knowing it was "factually" incorrect when I put it up
on the Web site - but hell, even if HNIA *was* Brit, would it make the
essay any more agreeable?) I've definitely progressed - witness "Speed
Racer Has Left the Building" at .
Though the last time I touched a 4AD product was at

Best,

Carl


Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:04:40 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Andrew Norman


Fredrik Pettersson, gy93frpe@TIMRA.SE:
>The Breeders second album is probably the best pop-album ever!!!
>Ain=B4t got time to elaborate this right now so that=B4s it!

I like the international flavo[u]r of this list; it shows us how, =
contrary to what we often think, the US-of-A has no monopoly on =
bubbleheads.

Breeders suck!!! Except for "Pod" which rocks your lame ass!!!

Oops, that just slipped out.

__________                                            =
__________________
Jens Alfke         Support the power of woman         =
jens@mooseyard.com
                      Use the power of man
                   Support the flower of woman
                       Use the word: FUCK      =
_________________________
                        The word is love       =

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:26:55 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: HNIA live!


In a message dated 96-02-15 09:34:57 EST, you write:

>Can anyone confirm whether HNIA is or is not playing this saturday (17th)
>at the green room in ypsilanti michigan?  they were originally scheduled
>for last saturday, but it didnt happpen (reasons unclear).
>
>needless to say, i'm reeeely eager to see 'em play.
>
>thanxX
>
>

Well, thanks to your post, I called The Green Room directly (313.482.9774)
and YES!!!

hnia is scheduled to play THIS SATURDAY night....  show begins at 9:30.

also appearing are the ohms (fantastic!) and Ohio (also really good!)

For those out of state, I'm not sure on exact location, but you either take
I-94 or I-275 to Michigan Ave west.... the address is 206 W. Michigan Ave in
Ypsilanti...

see you at the show!!!!!

don't you dare miss this one!

-blubelknol@aol.com


Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:31:57 +0000
From: "That would be telling ..." (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Frank Black SUX


> Fredrik Pettersson  wrote:
> >
> > Frank Black SUX.
> > Kim Deal Rules!
> > Pixies was great.
> > This leads to following conclusion: Kim Deal was Pixies! Frank Black was a
> > load of Bullshit draging Pixies down, without Kim Deal Pixies would also
> > have sucked!
> > OK?
>
Then simon did write:

> This was also the gist of one of those usenet "threads that never die"
> on alt.music.alternative last year - it fizzled out after several months
> of "X sucks, Y rules" type posting.  It overlooks the facts that:
>
> 1. FB wrote 95% of the Pixies' material.
> 2. KD wrote about two songs for the Pixies - admittedly "Gigantic" was
>    one of their best songs, but people don't love the Pixies just because
>    of that song.
> 3. KD is a good singer and a competent bass player, but Joey Santiago's
>    contribution to the band's sound was far more important - in fact,
>    there's a good case for saying that without JS the Pixies would have
>    been just another pop/punk band.
> 4. Neither Frank nor Kim have since been able to write songs as good as
>    Frank's stuff for the Pixies.  Kim has retreated into an
>    "incompetence is good" punk ethic, which sometimes works but sometimes
>    can't cover up the fact that very little thought, effort or talent is
>    present (50% of the Amps album is great, 50% is worthless rubbish).
>    Frank has gone in the other direction, there's too much bland
>    competence and not enough wildness and risk-taking, especially in the
>    last album.
>
> I think if the Pixies had stuck together, they would still have declined
> in quality - the seeds are there in "Bossanova".  Joey might have made
> them more interesting than the combined solo careers of Frank and Kim
> have been so far, but I still think we'd be bemoaning their inability to
> come up with the goods again - it happens to some bands/people, look at
> Ride for instance.  Does anyone think that the various members of Ride
> will ever make music as essential as those first few EPs?
>
>
>
> --
> Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 15/02/96
> nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
> Bjork - Post
>

Further to all this, I am with Simon, except he rather underates the
Amps more 75% I'd say. The Troupe wotsit album was definately not up
to the Pixies previous standards. I can't think of the last time i
played it.


Richard after a relaxed lunch (and about time too)

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:18:10 +0100
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Anka Wolbert and Pieter Noo


Mail*Link(r) SMTP               Anka Wolbert and Pieter Nooten

Hey I agree with Richard on that one, Anka's songs kick ass!

-nb- Wild thing! You make my heart sing? What the hell was Ronny thinking?

>>>>>>>>>>
K- wrote:

>hey, in regards to the ex-xymox thing: are you familiar with the Bud
>project? i heard about it long about the time curve broke up, and it
>was supposed to be a collaboration between Toni Halliday and Anka
>Wolbert. but since its mention i've not heard anything about it.

I thought that was understood to have never really gotten off the ground.

>also, did Anka and Pieter leave the band because Ronny Moorings was
>causing it to suck, or did he kick them out so they wouldn't get in
>his way (of sucking harder and faster).

I can't remember.  I do know that Richard (Wells)was sad to see Anka go
because he reckoned she had all the best songs!!

I'll try and remember to quiz Richard next time I see him (maybe tonight).

Simon Hughes


Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:28:29 -0600
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Frank Black SUX


>Frank Black SUX.
>Kim Deal Rules!
>Pixies was great.
>This leads to following conclusion: Kim Deal was Pixies! Frank Black was a
>load of Bullshit draging Pixies down, without Kim Deal Pixies would also
>have sucked!
>OK?

what kind of bizarre reasoning is this?  you're completely ignoring the
fact that frank wrote most of the pixies' songs by himself, and that most
of the pixies albums are better than anything the breeders (or the amps)
have put out.  granted, kim's post-pixies work is better than frank's, but
that doesn't mean she WAS the pixies.  here's another example of your
twisted reasoning, using the same warped logic:

the breeders were better than the amps are now.
josephine wiggs was in the breeders, but not the amps,
so josephine wiggs is better than kim deal, and was the real reason for the
breeder's greatness.

besides, we have yet to hear a true kim deal solo album. . .

BiZ

"if you're so special, why aren't you dead?"

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:00:34 -0700
From: Derek Jordan (djordan@LNXLAND1.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: (idm) cosmic baby, "space track," where from?


On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, the boy in zinc wrote:

> we'll try crossposting this one. . .
>
> the song i heard is called "space track."  what album/12"/CD5/etc. is this fro
?
> is this the one on that 12" you mentioned, dave?  it's really damn familiar
> and it's driving me NUTS!

Trance Europe Express Vol. 1

Derek

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:11:34 -0600
From: Holly Emmer (hemmer@RRGROUP.COM)
Subject: Hey you people in New Mexico! - NON 4AD


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Hello.
I heard a really cool band
from New Mexico called
Jar of Clay.  I guess they
opened for Mike Watt.
Anyone ever heard of them?
Anyone got any info about
them?

Oh... and anyone got
the scoop on the demise/
history of Heavenly Bodies
on Cest La Mort?

Any info is appreciated.

thanks,
holly

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:33:22 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA live!


actually, take it from someone who has lived in ypsi-tucky. 94 w or e to
us 23 north to michigan ave east. going to 275 takes you to much out of
your way. the address is still 206 w.mich. and while your there, make
sure to EAT AT ABES. it is an experience like no other.....
sean(formerly etzel)

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:25:41 +0100
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" (lapierre@MICRONET.FR)
Subject: Re: 4ad-pics on jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu;where now?


>I remember that there were downloads of a lot of 4ad pictures (jpegs and gifs)
>of covers and various misc. band photos.  It used to be on jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu.
>I was wondering if those pics are still there or did they move to a new site?
>If so, how do you access it.  Thanks.
>
>Charles_Kim@brown.edu

Isn't it at


or



It's full of 4AD pictures; when you find this site, next step is to buy
a good color printer !

                       ___
Laurent Lapierre      |-,-|
lapierre@micronet.fr  | - |


Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 02:27:00 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Frank Black SUX


On Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:28:29 -0600, BiZ wrote:

>twisted reasoning, using the same warped logic:
>
>the breeders were better than the amps are now.
>josephine wiggs was in the breeders, but not the amps,
>so josephine wiggs is better than kim deal, and was the real reason for the
>breeder's greatness.

This may have been posted as an example of fallacious reasoning, but
I'm a fan of Josephine Wiggs. Does anyone know what she's up to?

Paul

Fuck the CDA.