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Subject: Re: Kim Deal is the center of the Universe
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:14:05 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: The newest kranky release, Roy Montgomery
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:33:31 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Lucid/After the Flood AND MORE!!!(was AP Comparisons)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:30:28 -0500
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Who was going to sell me a copy of "Yeah, but..."?
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:22:00 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bowery Electric
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:51:49 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: pre-spring cleaning auction update...
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 21:59:10 -0500
From: Guernica@AOL.COM
Subject: ESP Anything Wanted
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:51:32 -0800
From: Lab User (labuser@DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: u-ziq [sic] & Kristin Hersh
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:12:56 -0700
From: Brett Boyd (BOYDB@VAX4.CSMC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal is the Center of the Music Universe
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:39:51 -0600
From: mike lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal is the center of the Universe
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:39:30 -0600
From: mike lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal is the Center of the Music Universe
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:39:46 -0600
From: mike lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal is the center of the Universe
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:40:14 -0600
From: mike lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal is the center of the Universe
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:40:02 -0600
From: mike lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal is the center of the Universe
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:40:09 -0600
From: mike lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal is the center of the Universe
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 09:19:40 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Toward the Within
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 02:42:29 -0800
From: Joel Krueger (jwkrueger@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: Alanis Morissette -> Kim Deal
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 10:02:12 -0500
From: trois morceaux en forme de poire (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: lush promo tour
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 09:46:30 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: looking for Breathless single
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:19:29 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP Anything Wanted
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:28:43 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Breathless releases for sale
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 09:46:55 -0700
From: Brandon Capps (bcapps@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: man/wasp silhouette
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:24:49 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Who was going to sell me a copy of "Yeah, but..."?
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:26:18 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Kim Deal --> overflowing mboxes
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 10:03:44 -0800
From: Brian Keeley (gysin@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: Breathless & Dominic Appleton
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 10:10:20 -0800
From: Brian Keeley (gysin@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: Princess Dragon Mom
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 13:38:35 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP Anything Wanted
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:16:31 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: I wanna be swirly! (was Re: Bowery Electric)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:31:46 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Who was going to sell me a copy of "Yeah, but..."?
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:25:17 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: man/wasp silhouette/Mille Plateaux/MBV obsolete?
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:19:29 -0500
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Dead Man!
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 01:59:08 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Tomandandy
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:16:43 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Cocteau Twins in Feedback
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 01:59:03 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Dead Man!
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:54:33 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Cage: Roaratorio
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 03:10:08 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: HotFlash 3.06
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:39:59 -0700
From: HotFlash (hotwired-info@hotwired.com)

Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:14:05 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal is the center of the Universe


        In order for these to mean anything, I submit that 'connections'
should be kept to personal connections, for example "A played on B's
album _X_", not stuff like "A covered a song by B". Mutual
friends/producers and stuff like that would work, too.

Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:33:31 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: The newest kranky release, Roy Montgomery


Just saw in the store today that Roy Mongomery has a CD
out on kranky.
If you missed the few posts on his music, his recordings
are all guitar on 4 track  (at least the previous ones were.)
He has two 7"s out and a CD called
Scenes From the South Island on Drunken Fish.
I would describe his music as somewhat like Scenic,
but a bit more blurry and dreamy, or a bit like
Lanterna, but a bit more low-fi.
Anyhow, it should be worth hearing...
I haven't yet.
(Someone besides Brandon has to have heard his music before...?)

           When was the last time kranky disappointed you?
besides the flies inside thing
 -nick

Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:30:28 -0500
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Lucid/After the Flood AND MORE!!!(was AP Comparisons)


Hiya

I've posted a few times about these two great bands... and I've been accused
of rampant consumerism. Can't a dude love a group and not be suspected of
'ulterior motives'?! :(


Lucid -
MBV?! Not unless "Loveless" consisted of 24 tracks like Colm's "touched".
Lucid is far more His Name is Alive - but unfettered by the rawk n' roll
structures that started to bog down "Mouth by Mouth". Less vocally based than
"Home is In Your Head", too. HNIA is not the only influence in the mix -
there's quite a bit of lovesliescrushing in there as well. Nearly formless (a
GOOD thing!), vaporous fragments of samples and unusual instrumentation that
drift like a passing breeze. The album is extremely quiet - the clanging of
bells and sundry percussive 'things' is the closest Lucid come to dissonance.
It's a gorgeous effect - shrouded in mystery and emerging as an incomplete
puzzle of a musical work. Nothing that jumps out at you, grabs you by the
collar, and shouts in your face. Lucid requires patience and intense
concentration. But when everything clicks, like those funky Magic Eye
patterns, the effect can be breathtaking.

After the Flood is a little more traditional. More or less a 'supergroup'
formed by people nobody's ever heard of, AtF create what they term 'timeless
art'. It's not as arrogant - or unfounded - a claim as that might seem. The
self-titled album is a wonder - the closest we've come yet to a fourth
installment of the This Mortal Coil series. But where Ivo tripped up
occasionally by branching out into (horrors!) dance beats and experimental
structures, AtF balance traditional Nick Drake/Tim Buckley-ish folk songs and
some truly 'out there' diversions. There are so many names you can throw at
After the Flood, and some of them would stick rather well: Portishead (on at
least two tracks), Pram (ditto), Dead Can Dance (check 'evocation' - it's not
a DCD-soundalike in title alone), Main (god bless the minimalists!), Cocteau
Twins, any of the CT-wannabes, etc, etc. I can't understand why this hasn't
aroused more interest among the 4AD-aholics.

...and who do you think introduced Dave Segal to these bands in the first
place? :)

Other brief answers to pressing questions:

LFO's "Advance" is a masterpiece; I'd like to say that it's what Seefeel's
"Quique" would have sounded like if they'd already been signed to Warp when
they released that album.

The new Tortoise, "Millions Now Living Will Never Die", is nothing short of
extraordinary. Words really fail to describe how the initially-intriguing
Tortoise has progressed. The "Rhythms, Resolutions, and Clusters" remixes
hinted at something like this - but a track like "DJed" could almost be the
2nd birth of the still neonatal out-rock scene. To paraphrase Simon Reynolds,
it's a perfect blend of human sweat and studio trickery.
Check out Trans Am, too. Their album isn't quite as groundbreaking, but "A
Single Ray of Light on an Otherwise Cloudy Day" - listed with a track length
of 'infinity' - will surely cause your jaw to drop to the floor.

A few other, not-yet-mentioned, slices of genius:

Add N to X - Vero Electronics: Camden kids who have digested their Mouse on
Mars, Stereolab, Locust, jungle, and hip-hop. The album is even structured
like the 'Lab's "Space Age Batchelor Pad Music" - multiple 'versions' of the
same songs, etc. What you have here sounds like an army of electronic devices
making sounds you've never heard before, never will hear, and probably don't
deserve to hear. Add in some catchy melodies (!!!!), toe-tappin' beats, and
weird song titles ("A Silhouette of a Man and a Wasp", anyone?), and what you
have is a prime piece of inventive electronica. Just when you thought it was
safe... (Blow Up UK)

Subtropic - Homebrew: FINALLY someone is doing something new and
unpredictable with jungle! Strange that it'd would be an obscure bunch of
Americans... or is it just one guy? Whatever the case, Subtropic have an
irresistible low-fi groove, some ear-tickling electronic wizardry, an arsenal
of weird samples, and all the other usual ingredients. It's one hell of a
brew! Great cover, too - reflective green foil arrows and all! (Reflective
US)

JHNO - Understand: More unexpected brilliance from US of A-ians. JHNO switch
between almost industrial intensity and casual impressionistic soundscaping.
Pianos, guitars, percussion, voices, and samples are all subtly warped into
compelling epics of electronic experimentalism. Pick cut: "Let the Beautiful
Crust Form" (doesn't anyone name songs 'Love, Love Me Do' anymore?!) - which
recalls Ray Bradbury's "There Will Come Soft Rains" with it's eerie
disembodied pianos, sparkling glass, scratches, rumbles, and atmosphere of
restrained gloom. (Delicate Ear US)

...any further questions, feel free to e-mail me: TooKrnky@AOL.com

And (plug!plug!plug!) John C. of fabulous Bent Crayon (in scenic(?)
Cleveland, OH) should be able to get you most of these titles. Reach him at:
BCrayon@en.com
Support deserving indies! :-D

I've babbled enough. Hopefully enough of you found something of interest in
this. At least I kept the reviews short...

out like rock n' roll!

GuerillaG
...who will finally be able to hear his Boymerang 12" this weekend! :) :) :)

Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:22:00 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Who was going to sell me a copy of "Yeah, but..."?


>> I'm really sorry to have to do this to the list, but somehow Netscape
crashed my entire system and I had to reload every bit of software I had.
Of course, in doing so I lost all my files.  I fucking hate PCs and Windows!
Thank God I'm getting a Macintosh (clone) next week! <<

        AMEN to THAT! Corporate monopolies have led to the proliferation
of inferior, clunky, intractable products; IBM in other words. Sorry, but I
had to get that off my chest.


Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:51:49 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Bowery Electric


In case you missed a little review I posted a bit ago, Bowery Electric fans
should check out Once Dreamt, their 12" EP called "Drifting" on Blue Flea.
Other bands with a related sound would be:
shiFt, _A Folding Seive_,  more "songlike" but not too dissimilar
closedown, a least their live set had me swimming in the guitar ocean, really
  heavy drums too. haven't heard their album though.
Anyone want to coin a name to pigeonhole these bands?
How about "fuzzy guitar wash bands" (rhymes with  car wash)

Um, could we give Kim Deal a rest?

bye for now,
-nck

Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 21:59:10 -0500
From: Guernica@AOL.COM
Subject: pre-spring cleaning auction update...


well, 3 days into this and I have the following high bids (with first part of
e-mail names so you know if you're the high bid and at the same time not
divulging your entire e-address to unwanted solicitors):

Red House Painters - "Shock Me" e.p.
    $9 - JoJones
Various - "All Virgo's Are Mad" Still Sealed (2 available)
    --no bids--
Insides - "Clearskin" 1 sealed, 1 mint (i.e. brand new, without the shrink
wrap)
    $9 - JoJones
Smiths - "Louder Than Bombs" (CD) excellent cond.
    --no bids--
Doom Soundtrak (CD) case crack, otherwise mint
    --no bids--
Enchanted - 4 track promo (jewel case is drilled in back into the UPC code)
    --no bids--
Various - "Rare on Air...Volume2"  jewel case crack, otherwise mint.
    --no bids--
Swallow - "Blow" still sealed
   $8 brettg
blacktapeforabluegirl - "this lush garden within" small case crack, otherwise
mint as well
   $8 brettg
TMC - "Come here my love" 10" - rare
    --no bids--
Madder Rose - "Panic On" spine drilled - artwork intact.
    --no bids--
hisnameisalive - "In Every Ford" 4AD(US) 5-track promo...jewel case is
cracked
    --no bids--
Swallow - "Blowback" mint-
    $15 guile
Various - "...think I'm Getting the hang of it"  mint+
    --no bids--
Various - "Mai Pen Rai" mint+
    $35 ItsonlyRod

Lonely Is An Eyesore  deluxe gatefold edition (12")this thing is absolutely
beautiful and mint

    --no bids-- !!!!!!!


please remember to include postage in your offers... thanks!

-guernica@aol.com


Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:51:32 -0800
From: Lab User (labuser@DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: ESP Anything Wanted


I really really want to get some ESP Warren projects (ESP Summer, ESP
Continent, ESP ETC.)  but so far, have only found his Princess Dragonmom
stuff.  If you're willing to trade or know where I can get either the
tapes or 10" 's or whatever is available, please contact me at:

SKAOIOI@aol.com

thanks again,
Matt

Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:12:56 -0700
From: Brett Boyd (BOYDB@VAX4.CSMC.EDU)
Subject: Re: u-ziq [sic] & Kristin Hersh


Jeremy (or all others interested)--

        Yes indeed, the sample is from "Your Ghost" and it is on In Pine
Effect.  I didn't hear about that interview--thanks for the update.
        The u-ziq song just samples the opening guitar part. It is a strange
ambient hybrid with something that has the feel of an In the Nursery Album.
        I think the album is quite good for its genre intersecting styles.
Check it out.

Brett

Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:39:51 -0600
From: mike lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal is the Center of the Music Universe


>The Martinis has as a member Joey Santiago.

Are these guys any good? I've always worshiped Joey's guitar work. If they
are truely great, as I would think, where can I find them, I've never even
heard the name before.

/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\
On monday when the sun is hot
I wonder to my self a lot
"Is it true, or is it not,
That what is which, and which is what?"
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
/\/\/\/\/\lawmic@bethel.edu/\/\/\/\/\
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
=-mike (or not as the case may be)


Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:39:30 -0600
From: mike lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal is the center of the Universe


>Also how about:
>  Kim Deal
>  Kim Gordon (the other famous rock'n'roll bass-playing Kim)
>  Chuck D of Public Enemy (sang with Kim Gordon on Sonic Youth's "Kool
>Thing")

You can get a more solid ling from Kim D to Kim G because they toured
together this fall in sonic youth and the Amps (oh what a show!)

/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\
On monday when the sun is hot
I wonder to my self a lot
"Is it true, or is it not,
That what is which, and which is what?"
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
/\/\/\/\/\lawmic@bethel.edu/\/\/\/\/\
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
=-mike (or not as the case may be)

Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:39:46 -0600
From: mike lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal is the Center of the Music Universe


>Jim (No one else can cover Neil Young tunes like they can) Campbell

And once you have the cover of winterlong by neil young, who toured with
Pearl Jam, which contains Eddie Vedder (poser) who sang in Temple of the
Dog, which contains members of every early 90's seattle grunge band better
than the iffy soundgarden link)

Kim- Sunny Day Realestate

Members of SDR play in the foo fighters (gag retch) containing Dave Ghrol
of Nirvana who toured with the Breeders and KIM DEAL


/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\
On monday when the sun is hot
I wonder to my self a lot
"Is it true, or is it not,
That what is which, and which is what?"
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
/\/\/\/\/\lawmic@bethel.edu/\/\/\/\/\
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
=-mike (or not as the case may be)

Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:40:14 -0600
From: mike lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal is the center of the Universe


>        In order for these to mean anything, I submit that 'connections'
>should be kept to personal connections, for example "A played on B's
>album _X_", not stuff like "A covered a song by B". Mutual
>friends/producers and stuff like that would work, too.

What's wrong with covers, it means that a band listen to, payed attention
to, cared about, and worked hard on the work of another artist, I say
that's almost as strong as toured with.

The Who ---> Kim

Pete Townsend was in the Who,
Pete Townsent wrote So Sad About us,
So sad about us is trac 4 on the safari single by the BREEDERS and KIM DEAL
(because I like cover links)

/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\
On monday when the sun is hot
I wonder to my self a lot
"Is it true, or is it not,
That what is which, and which is what?"
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
/\/\/\/\/\lawmic@bethel.edu/\/\/\/\/\
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
=-mike (or not as the case may be)

Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:40:02 -0600
From: mike lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal is the center of the Universe


>>alanis morisette to kim (you knew it was coming, larry. . .)
>
>Alanis Morisette
>Flea [played bass on "You Oughta Know"]
>The Red Hot Chili Peppers [Flea's band]

Also George Clinton produced several RHCP songs, and he toured Lolla the
same year, so it could even be considered the same tour ((even though I
suggested it I think the multiple lolla link was a bit weak)

>Lollapalooza
>The Breeders
>Kim Deal
>
>Of course I'm not sure whether both bands played the big L the same year.
>
>I have a pretty weak one for John Coltrane, since the Boo Radley's album
>"Giant Steps" was named after a 'Trane album of the same name, but I
>think these "inspired by" or "covered this song" links are kinda lame.
>
>What we need is a database where we can associate each person/band with
>their first level links, then have an algorithm grind through and find
>the shortest path between anyone we want. This should just be a trivial
>modification of Eyesore, right Lars? ;-)
>
>__________                                            __________________
>Jens Alfke         Support the power of woman         jens@mooseyard.com
>                      Use the power of man
>                   Support the flower of woman
>                       Use the word: FUCK
>                        The word is love

/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\
On monday when the sun is hot
I wonder to my self a lot
"Is it true, or is it not,
That what is which, and which is what?"
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
/\/\/\/\/\lawmic@bethel.edu/\/\/\/\/\
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
=-mike (or not as the case may be)

Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:40:09 -0600
From: mike lawyer (lawmic@BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal is the center of the Universe


Indigo Girls --> Kim Deal

Michael Stipe sang backing vocals on Kid Fears, an Indigo song
>Michael Stipe sang on "Hips and Makers" by Kristin Hersh
>Kristin Hersh is a member of Throwing Muses
>Throwing Muses were supported by Pixies
>Pixies bass player was KIM DEAL
>
Just to give proper credit most of that belongs to Paul Spirito, I just
took it from Michael stipe, other michael stipe links

B-52's
one of the female vocalists from the b-52's sang on Out of Time

Violent Femmes
opppened for B-52's

Violent Femmes-->any band that ever played a cheesey midwest radio station
promo concert
The femmes have been around so long they've played in all of these, I
especially rember an Edgefest a few years back that i didn't attend so i
couldn't tell you who was there, but it was about 8 other bands.

All of this of course leads back through the above to KIM DEAL



/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\/-=-\
On monday when the sun is hot
I wonder to my self a lot
"Is it true, or is it not,
That what is which, and which is what?"
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
/\/\/\/\/\lawmic@bethel.edu/\/\/\/\/\
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
=-mike (or not as the case may be)


Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 09:19:40 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Kim Deal is the center of the Universe


Lord Byron --> Kim Deal

Lord Byron vacationed with the Shelleys
Mary Shelley wrote "Frankenstein"
The character Frankenstein appeared in an Abbott and Costello film
Lou Costello lent his name to Elvis Costello, né Declan MacManus
Declan MacManus is married to Cait O'Riordan
Cait O'Riordan was in the Pogues
The Pogues did a song, "Down All The Days", about Christy Brown
Christy Brown was played in the film "My Left Foot" by Daniel Day
Lewis
Daniel Day Lewis fathered a child with Isabelle Adjani
Isabelle Adjani starred in "The Story of Adele H"
Adele H was the daughter of Victor Hugo
Victor Hugo wrote "The Hunchback of Notre Dame"
One of the films of "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" featured Anthony
Hopkins
Anthony Hopkins was also featured in "The Elephant Man" by David Lynch
David Lynch wrote, for his film "Eraserhead", the song "In Heaven"
"In Heaven" was covered by Pixies
Pixies bass player was KIM DEAL

All of this reminds me of a poem:

"2/3 of a Lawyer" by David Cox

i, a glister nemo
        a pearl act

i, sword id skein
        at the rosy hell wren

drone gorge
        go lyre

lord byron eats.


Paul,
who will be more careful whom he vacations with.

Fuck the CDA.


Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 02:42:29 -0800
From: Joel Krueger (jwkrueger@UCDAVIS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Toward the Within


On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Derek Innocent wrote:
>
> PS If anyone is thinking on getting Volume 15 solely on the strength of the
> Cocteau Twins track - don't bother. It's one of the worst tracks on there. So
> predictable, so tedious, so damned irritating. Split up - you're making fools 
f
> yourselves. The rest of the CD is pretty good though, particularly the
> tracks by Solid and Joi (mixed by Spring Heel Jack). The Scheer track
> is pretty ordinary > (ie 50 times better than the Cocteau Twins track)
>
>

Hmmm,...one of the worst tracks on there, eh? Tedious? Damned irritating?
Surely you jest - try sitting through that New Order remix twice in a row
(or 20 seconds of that Jock Scot and the Nectarine No 9 horror) and see
if you don't have a change of heart,...While by no means a classic,
"Circling Girl" is a pleasant little ditty - the trademark washes of guitar,
the tumbling, unintelligible vocals, even a hint of piano(!) Sounds almost
like a lost Heaven or Las Vegas track. Nothing really new here, just the
Twins reaching back a bit and proving that they still remember how to
play the kind of guitars that need to be plugged in...

joel


Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 10:02:12 -0500
From: trois morceaux en forme de poire (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Alanis Morissette -> Kim Deal


Jens wrote:

>>alanis morisette to kim (you knew it was coming, larry. . .) <- said BiZ
>
>Alanis Morisette
>Flea [played bass on "You Oughta Know"]
>The Red Hot Chili Peppers [Flea's band]
>Lollapalooza
>The Breeders
>Kim Deal

How about:

Alanis' "You Oughta Know" was co-written by Glen Ballard
Glen Ballard used to write songs for Wilson Phillips
Wilson Phillips -> Brian Wilson -> the Beach Boys
The Beach Boys worked with producer Shel Talmy (I think)
Shel Talmy worked with the Who (when they were trying to sound like the
Beach Boys)
The Who's "So Sad About Us" was covered by the Breeders -> Kim Deal

>the movie Tiger Of Warsaw.  that movie features a scene shot in the Mercer
>diner, trent reznor is from mercer

Trent Reznor actually appears in a really awful movie called Light of Day,
starring Michael J. Fox and Joan Jett. He plays this suit-wearing member of
an 80s new wave synth band. I thought someone could use that somewhere too.

Larry


Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 09:46:30 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: lush promo tour


On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Quinn Devine wrote:

> Lush are apparently doing that super secret promo tour thing
> I have no idea where they'll be , but I do know they were
> supposed to be in Atlanta last night and I missed them because
> I didn't know about it until today.
>
> anyway check your local listings.
>
anyway, check out 120 minutes this sunday (the 11th), because lush will
be there, and get interviewed by matt 'uncle fester' pinfield.  la la la...

more importantly, a new episode of mst3k is airing sat. afternoon and sun
night (actually early monday morning depending on where you are in the
country)

if this was posted already, i'm sorry.  i haven't really been reading my
mail lately.

.mark....in schoolwork exile.


Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:19:29 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: looking for Breathless single


can somebody explain Breathless to me? I've heard things about this band,
but haven't been able to hear them or hear what they're really about...

Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:28:43 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP Anything Wanted


can anybody tell me if Ian Masters is on all of these ESP releases w/
warren or if he's only on ESP Summer? Ian had told me that one of the
projects was going to be called 'ESP Dolphins' but that was a while ago
so the title may have been scrapped...

Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 09:46:55 -0700
From: Brandon Capps (bcapps@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Breathless releases for sale


I see that a few people have been posting about Breathless, so I thought
that I would let everyone on the list know that IPR Mailorder has the
majority of their releases available.  Here's what we have:

"Ageless" 12"EP  (BREATH2)  $9.50
"Two Days From Eden"  12"EP (BREATH3)  $9.50
"Glass Bead Game"  LP  (BREATH4)  $12.50
"Nailing Colours To The Wheel"  12"EP  (BREATH5)  $9.50
"Three Times And Waving"  LP  (BREATH6)  $12.50
"Chasing Promises"  LP & CD  (BREATH7 & TROY3)  $12.50 & $18.50
"I Never Know Where You Are"  12"EP  (BREATH8)  $9.50
"Always"  7" & 12"EP  (BREATH9) $6.50 & $9.50
"Between Happiness And Heartache" LP & CD  (BREATH10)  $12.50 & $18.50
"Over And Over"  CDEP  (BREATH11)  $10.50
"Don't Just Disappear" CDEP  (BREATH12)  $10.50
"Heartburst (best of)"  CD  (SAT70012)  $14.50

all prices are post paid in the USA.  If you are ordering more than 2 items
please e-mail me so I can calculate a discounted postage rate for you.  Send
cash, check, or money order to the address below (pay to the order of
"IPR Mailorder").  We were quite lucky to get a hold of the "Ageless" and
"Two Days From Eden" EPs.  They have both out of print for the past five
years or so, but the band recently received some returns and offered them to
us to sell to the public at non-collector prices.

Here's some info on the band from our most recent catalogue:

"Breathless are a long time favorite of ours and we've recently gotten
our hands on the majority of their releases which have become almost
impossible to find anywhere!  The London based band have consistenly put
out it's own brand of awe inspiring dark psychedlic tinged music since
1985 via their own Tenor Vossa label.  Singer Dominic Appleton's
passionate and romantic vocal style is well known from his contributions
to This Mortal Coil's "Filigree and Shadow" and "Blood" albums, though in
Breathless he often plays a more intense role, leading the way through
the glowing landscapes of rapturous fury that grow from warm rich
atmospheres."


~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
                     IPR Mailorder / brandon capps
                             p.o. box 1483
                            tempe, az 85280
                                 u.s.a.
                           bcapps@primenet.com
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:24:49 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: man/wasp silhouette


just an odd response to a lineo fyer review of that band of 'camden kids'?

"a silhouette of a man and a wasp' sounds to me like its a reference from
'_Mille Plateaux_: Capitalism and Schizophrenia' by Deleuze and Guatarri.
A band that writes songs based on their ideas would surely win my
respect! Just for the raw fact that they were able to read the whole book!

Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:26:18 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Who was going to sell me a copy of "Yeah, but..."?


> >> I'm really sorry to have to do this to the list, but somehow Netscape
> crashed my entire system and I had to reload every bit of software I had.
> Of course, in doing so I lost all my files.  I fucking hate PCs and Windows!
> Thank God I'm getting a Macintosh (clone) next week! <<
>
>         AMEN to THAT! Corporate monopolies have led to the proliferation
> of inferior, clunky, intractable products; IBM in other words. Sorry, but I
> had to get that off my chest.


        AMEN again! viva le Macintosh! le pomme de computer!
death to bill gates!


Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 10:03:44 -0800
From: Brian Keeley (gysin@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: Kim Deal --> overflowing mboxes


- People on 4AD-L start posting "Connect X to Kim Deal" chains

- Some of them are actually funny

- WiReD magazine spots these, reprints them in "Best of the Net"

- 10,000 newbies read these and sign up to 4AD-L

- our mailboxes start overflowing with "Hi! My name's CyberJohn
and I think Kim Deal's the center of the universe!  I heard she
was in some other band before the Breeders.  Is this true?"


Reality

Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 10:10:20 -0800
From: Brian Keeley (gysin@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: Breathless & Dominic Appleton


Here's a repost of a review I posted back in December.  Synopsis:
Good disc.  If you dig TMC, buy it.  It's grown on me since I wrote
this.

>Breathless - _Heartburst_ [Satellite]  You know "The Jeweler" as
>done by This Mortal Coil?  One of my all time favorite songs.
>Anyway, this is a greatest hits CD from the band fronted by the
>singer of that song, Dominic Appleton.  I don't know anything
>about Breathless, but I quite like this compilation.  None of the
>songs are quite as sparse and introspective as "The Jeweler", but
>some come close.  The big difference is that where Ivo uses lots
>of non-standard instrumentation (non-standard from the Rock'n'Roll
>perspective) this is a straight-up rock band: vocalist, keyboards,
>guitar, bass and drums.  While I did say it is not sparse, a lot
>of room is left in the mix for the vocals (as is the case with
>bands like RHP and the later Muses).  Anyway, while this disc
>won't be played much when I just want to sit down and listen to
>music, like my TMC discs, it will be a top choice when I want a
>soundtrack for a dinner with friends.
>

I got mine from IPR Mailorder (They're on the WWWeb and Brandon,
the IPR mailorder guy, is a 4AD-L subscriber.  Support your local
indie mailorder music people!)

Reality


Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 13:38:35 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Princess Dragon Mom


Hey kids:

Princess Dragon Mom CD at Parasol and Ear/Rational.

What is it all about?  I don't know anything about it...

Mike

Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:16:31 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: ESP Anything Wanted


>can anybody tell me if Ian Masters is on all of these ESP releases w/
>warren or if he's only on ESP Summer? Ian had told me that one of the
>projects was going to be called 'ESP Dolphins' but that was a while ago
>so the title may have been scrapped...

Warren + Ian = ESP Summer = ESP Dolphins = ESP Continent
or 1 + 1 = 2 = 2 = 2
Pail Saint is Ian making noodly noises
And Ian apparently does something on the Alice Cooper tribute tape


hk
--
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         | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
         | hey, look! i'm picasso!


Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:31:46 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: I wanna be swirly! (was Re: Bowery Electric)


>In case you missed a little review I posted a bit ago, Bowery Electric fans
>should check out Once Dreamt, their 12" EP called "Drifting" on Blue Flea.
>Other bands with a related sound would be:
>shiFt, _A Folding Seive_,  more "songlike" but not too dissimilar
>closedown, a least their live set had me swimming in the guitar ocean, really
>  heavy drums too. haven't heard their album though.
>Anyone want to coin a name to pigeonhole these bands?
>How about "fuzzy guitar wash bands" (rhymes with  car wash)

Add to that list a coupla bands from the IPR roster - the
ultra-dreamy/jangly Half String, and the wonderfully hazy Alisons Halo.
Definitely more overtly "pop" than Bowery Electric, but both are very
texture-oriented bands that also write good songs (which isn't to say that
Bowery Electric doesn't write good songs).


hk
latest craze: The Steinbecks 'At Home and Abroad with...'
              quite arguably THE pop album of the last two years
--
hk kahng | hk@neosoft.com & farrago@delphi.com
         | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
         | hey, look! i'm picasso!

Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:25:17 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Who was going to sell me a copy of "Yeah, but..."?


>>         AMEN to THAT! Corporate monopolies have led to the proliferation
>> of inferior, clunky, intractable products; IBM in other words. Sorry, but I
>> had to get that off my chest.
>
>        AMEN again! viva le Macintosh! le pomme de computer!
>death to bill gates!

The last I heard, the Big Blue (i.e. IBM) had been working with Sun..., erm,
Apple and Motorola to develop the Power PC computers.  In this conglomerate
we have Monolith #1 which currently peddles MacOS, OS/2, and the PowerPC
chip.  In the other corner, we've Monolith #2 comprised of Bill Gates, his
mighty Empire, and Intel, from whom we get such goodies as Windows 95/NT and
the Pentium.  Pick your OS, but either way you're lining the pockets of giants.

Eventually, those of us who can even afford a damn computer will have a
generic box with the simple "computer" logo on it ala 'Repo Man.'  The Man
will be reading all our e-mail, every each one of which will be cc'd to
Senator Exon (the fellow who dreamt up this whole Communications Decency
inanity).
--
hk kahng | hk@neosoft.com & farrago@delphi.com
         | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
         | hey, look! i'm picasso!


Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:19:29 -0500
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: man/wasp silhouette/Mille Plateaux/MBV obsolete?


more pointless mailbox clutter that may/may not be of some interest... At
least Mrs. John Murphy's name isn't mentioned anywhere in the....oh... oops.

(Joseph Burns wrote:)
>just an odd response to a line of yer review of that band of 'camden kids'?
>
>"a silhouette of a man and a wasp' sounds to me like its a reference from
>'_Mille Plateaux_: Capitalism and Schizophrenia' by Deleuze and Guatarri.
>A band that writes songs based on their ideas would surely win my
>respect! Just for the raw fact that they were able to read the whole book!

How about an enitre label?!

Mille Plateaux is a German label (Alec Empire, Oval, 4E, Gas, Zulutronic(one
of the guys from Air Liquide), etc) who are easily up 'there' with TooPure,
Kranky, (old) 4AD, (mid) Creation, etc, etc. One of the most consistent and
exciting forces in today's intelligent experimental electronica scene. Check
out the essential comp, "Electric Ladyland", for a taste of MPs impeccable
calibre.

As for Add N to X - those faboo Camden Kids, all I can say is: buy it! buy
it! buy it!
I'm not sure who your DeLuise and Hossenfeffer guys are (book learnin', who
needs it?!), but the ANtX album is pure unadulterated electronic joy. Mouse
on Mars fans, keep your eyes on these guys!

Anyone know if Tomandandy, who contribute a track to Red, Hot & Blue's
upcoming "BEAT" cd (along with Laika, and three new MBV 'songs'!!), is Andi
Toma of MoM? The track, "cartridgemusic", is a piece of tricky and timeless
jungle inventiveness; the type of thing that Toma the Great probably coughs
up in his sleep... or finds in between the cushions of his sofa.

Final intrusion on your (aural) space: Just heard the new Astrobrite
material.
Three words for you:

WHO NEEDS MBV?

Later, all
GuerillaG - but you can call me Mr. John Murphy


Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 01:59:08 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Dead Man!


I never thought I would, but... (<- this isn't the title of a new 4AD sample=
r)

... I bought my first Neil Young record today, the music from the motion=
 picture 'Dead Man', a film by Jim Jarmusch. If you didn't see this film=
 yet... do it! After you've seen the movie you want the music. It's over one=
 hour of strange instrumental guitar and organ sounds combined with samples=
 from the movie (nobody) and poetry from William Blake read by Johnny Depp.

'Dead Man' is one of the best movies I've seen this year (I saw about=
 twenty) - and it's only February! But when did Jim Jarmusch made a bad movi=
e?




Emiel Efdee

the Netherlands, February 11, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl



I've also recieved the creditcard receipt - onehundredandsixtyukpounds - for=
 the limited version of This Rimy River this week... so this must mean the=
 thing is almost finished! I never thought I would live that long... (<-=
 this should be the title of a new 4AD sampler!). It says "Your book will be=
 dispatched in March."


Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:16:43 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Tomandandy


they have a disc that comes with the current issue of _Soho Journal_
"transcendence". The Jounal is well worth the price and the disc is
pretty cool too.

Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 01:59:03 +0100
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Cocteau Twins in Feedback


Just got this info in my mailbox: (for those of you who still like the Cocteau T
ins)



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Hello and welcome to HotFlash, the weekly newsletter of events and
information for HotWired and WIRED magazine - 9 February 1996.

Highlights include:

     o In Club Wired:
           * Cocteau Twins


This Week in Club Wired
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Monday, 12 February
4 p.m. PST
Cocteau Twins in Feedback


"I can't think of many bands that have been together as long as we have
and actually still like each other enough to be doing it for the
right reasons," says Liz Fraser of the Cocteau Twins. Thirteen years and
eight albums into their careers, the Cocteau Twins have accomplished
something few bands have been able to do: they've stayed together.

Join us Monday, 12 February at 4 p.m. PST (Tuesday, 00:00 GMT) in Club
Wired's Feedback forum to chat with the Cocteau Twins and listen via
RealAudio to cuts from their new album, "Milk and Kisses," scheduled for
release in April 1996.

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Emiel Efdee

the Netherlands, February 11, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl

Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:54:33 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Dead Man!


In a message dated 96-02-10 21:51:28 EST, efdee writes:

>I've also recieved the creditcard receipt - onehundredandsixtyukpounds - for
>the limited version of This Rimy River this week... so this must mean the
>thing is almost finished! I never thought I would live that long... (<- this
>should be the title of a new 4AD sampler!). It says "Your book will be
>dispatched in March."
>
>
I to received the very same notice in the mail today....  how exciting!!!!
 can't wait.

perhaps just like Ed McMahon (sp?) he'll show up on all our doorsteps and
hand deliver the little gems!

-blubelknol@aol.com


Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 03:10:08 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Cage: Roaratorio


A couple of months ago I posted about a couple of John Cage CDs I had
bought and how much I loved them. Well, the love affair continues.
Last week I got "Roaratorio: An Irish Circus on Finnegans Wake". Cage
went through the book and made an acrostic excerpt spelling JAMES
JOYCE JAMES JOYCE... Or a mesotic, I think it's called, because it's
in the middle, not on the left, like this:

    Just a whisk
    Of
 pitY
  a Cloud
in pEace and silence

The piece is about an hour long and consists of him
half-singing/half-speaking this mesotic text, while an Irish band
plays, and also tapes of sounds recorded at random at 626 locations
mentioned in Finnegans Wake, half in Ireland. He said his
collaborators feared this would all be too dense and sound like white
noise, but it doesn't: it's beautifully textured and dreamlike (if an
uproarious dream) -- very in keeping with the spirit of Joyce -- AND a
must for maximalist ambient fans, which is why I think it's
appropriate to mention it on thislist. Hope someone checks it out and
enjoys it as much as I have. It's on Mode, Mode 28/9: the second disk
is him reading without the rest of the music (which I think listening
to once is sufficient) and a good interview, though if they had just
printed the text of the interview and the libretto and put it on one
disk I think that would have been better.

Paul

Fuck the CDA.

Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:54:23 -0500
From: "...love will tear us apart...again..." (drex@DORSAI.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: HotFlash 3.06 (fwd)


ok, just so everyone knows...

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:39:59 -0700
From: HotFlash (hotwired-info@hotwired.com)
Subject: HotFlash 3.06



HotFlash 3.06
*************

Hello and welcome to HotFlash, the weekly newsletter of events and
information for HotWired and WIRED magazine - 9 February 1996.

Highlights include:

     o Market Forces: Kline Reads ISPs the Riot Act
     o Cocktail: A Maiden's Prayer for Valentine's Day
     o Renaissance: A CD-ROM Antinarrative,
       and New York City's First Prostitute
     o In Club Wired:
           * Cocteau Twins
           * Ecstasy for Women Only
           * Cypress Hill Puffin' da Blunts
           * Guarding Free Speech Online
     o Forget Your Password?
     o Visualize Liking Your Job: Gigs at WIRED



This Week in Club Wired
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Monday, 12 February
4 p.m. PST
Cocteau Twins in Feedback


"I can't think of many bands that have been together as long as we have
and actually still like each other enough to be doing it for the
right reasons," says Liz Fraser of the Cocteau Twins. Thirteen years and
eight albums into their careers, the Cocteau Twins have accomplished
something few bands have been able to do: they've stayed together.

Join us Monday, 12 February at 4 p.m. PST (Tuesday, 00:00 GMT) in Club
Wired's Feedback forum to chat with the Cocteau Twins and listen via
RealAudio to cuts from their new album, "Milk and Kisses," scheduled for
release in April 1996.