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Subject: Re: season clearance END - includes 'all new' flexi section
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 21:12:38 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen ([email protected])
Subject: aaaaaaaaaa!
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 23:15:34 -0600
From: a tree an afro a pharoah ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Folk Implosion/Sebadoh
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 00:59:32 -0600
From: a tree an afro a pharoah ([email protected])
Subject: Re: A 4AD compilation question
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 12:06:42 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee ([email protected])
Subject: Re: CD-selling-stuff
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 09:27:34 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko ([email protected])
Subject: Re: season clearance END - includes 'all new' flexi section
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 09:34:58 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko ([email protected])
Subject: Re: season clearance END - includes 'all new' flexi section
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 09:33:09 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko ([email protected])
Subject: non 4ad-- people in bands please read
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 14:15:06 -0500
From: lorelei tremolor ([email protected])
Subject: My Bloody Valentine, the movie
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 11:03:48 -0800
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: my review of the new lush album
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 13:56:49 -0500
From: lorelei tremolor ([email protected])
Subject: REPOST-1995 POLL...HAVE YOU VOTED YET?
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 13:39:42 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson ([email protected])
Subject: Re: My Bloody Valentine, the movie
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 14:12:52 -0600
From: Martin Wagner ([email protected])
Subject: opium den
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:32:04 PST
From: Gur Kazir ([email protected])
Subject: NICE
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:32:57 +0100
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen (1979)
Subject: Re: My Bloody Valentine, the movie
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:45:34 -0500
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: My Bloody Valentine, the movie
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:13:41 GMT
From: Paul Spirito ([email protected])
Subject: RIBBONWEB
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 18:13:29 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: Spoonfed Hybrid _Scary Verlaine_: sides inverted?
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 00:40:22 +0100
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" ([email protected])
Subject: Uhmn... oops?
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 00:02:33 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ([email protected])
Subject: Re: My Bloody Valentine, the slackers
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 17:57:38 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain ([email protected])
Subject: Re: My Bloody Valentine, the movie
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 19:24:09 -0600
From: "Luis B. Abcede" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: My Bloody Valentine, the movie
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:55:40 -0800
From: Micah Newman ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Spoonfed Hybrid _Scary Verlaine_: sides inverted?
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 19:20:53 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain ([email protected])
Subject: Re: HAVE YOU VOTED YET?
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 20:40:18 -0800
From: cz ([email protected])

Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 21:12:38 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen ([email protected])
Subject: Re: season clearance END - includes 'all new' flexi section


well i've sent three messages to this season clearance guy with no
response and my "bids" which were higher than anyone.  Has anyone
acutally dealt with the person, are they cred or what?  i don't have
time for wankers......buyers beware just because we're on the internet
doesn't mean that there's some level of civility involved. i'll be
setting my twit filter on high.


Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 23:15:34 -0600
From: a tree an afro a pharoah ([email protected])
Subject: aaaaaaaaaa!


why does reading this list become more and more of a chore as the weeks go
by? who is 'everything's gone green' by again? lush = elastica. you're an
asshole. no, you're an asshole. your writing sucks. typo this, typo that.
my voluntary review of this list every fortnight for the tasty thread
(sick-n-tired list) is quickly becoming a life sentence.
yours in complaint,
.joanna.
yes, the new tori amos is difficult. like livonia, it demands your
attention and won't let go. it's weird, it's got some pale-sainty mbvy
wacko time signatures. it's tori-as-crazed-lunatic. i like it alot. i'm
currently doing a vox-only rewrite of 'horses.' that track screams harmony.
i've got four parts so far.

however, if you abhor yelping, avoid, dear child, avoid.

---
[email protected]                http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~joanna
-
'please don't wake me no don't shake me leave me where i am
 i'm only sleeping'                                          - john lennon


Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 00:59:32 -0600
From: a tree an afro a pharoah ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Folk Implosion/Sebadoh


--I WAS TOLD:
--
--        Folk Implosion was something that Lou Barlow and some dude
--        named Eric ? did on friday and saturday nights when they were
--
--        in high school.
--
--        Then came Lou Barlow in Dinasour Jr.
--
--        Sebadoh was a side project  that then became more full time
--
--        as lou and Dino. Jr. separated.

no, no, and no. the folk implosion is a CURRENT side project of lou barlow
and john davis, and it's pretty goofy but fun stuff. i like. i believe it
is more john davis than lou barlow.

--
--Now before you condone me for not having a clue, Fill me in on what's
--correct

condone you? i think you mean condemn. anyway, i allow you to be clueless.
i support your clueless behavior and highly recommend your cluelessness to
all my friends. now, see above.

--By the way, Sebadoh is one of my favorite groups, the only thing is
--that The only two things I have of them are The Freed Weed and 4 song

i would suggest to get a jugful of seBADoh talk, you glaze on over to the
sebadoh list ([email protected] - in the body of the msg. write
'subscribe sebadoh-l ' without quotes.) and do pick up
bakesale and III next time you go shopping.
yours in not-even-barely-thislisty,
.joanna.

---
[email protected]                http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~joanna
-
'please don't wake me no don't shake me leave me where i am
 i'm only sleeping'                                          - john lennon


Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 12:06:42 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee ([email protected])
Subject: Re: A 4AD compilation question


>Awhile ago, a couple people mentioned a 4AD US compilation called "Yeah,
>PRO-S-7630.  Can anyone give me more information, like a tracklisting and



Jeff, last year 4AD released five compilations (with those strange sleeves):


Yeah, but=8A (PRO-S 7630) 7"

        Air Miami - Neely (demo version)
        Tarnation - His Middle Name
        Scheer - Don't Know Why (live demo version)

Joe Friday (K9) 7"

        Liquorice - Drive Around
        Kendra Smith - In Your Head
        Red House Painters - Long Distance Runaround

No Balls (PRO-CD 7300) CD

        Red House Painters - Summer Dress
        The Wolfgang Press - People Say
        Lisa Germano - Cy Wolf
        Pale Saints - One Blue Hill
        Kendra Smith - Bold Marauder
        Air Miami - Airplane Rider
        Heidi Berry - The Mountain
        Dead Can Dance - Rakim

...think I'm getting the hang of it (PRO-CD 7625) CD

        Lisa Gerrard - Sanvean
        Air Miami - Dolphin Expressway
        Liquorice - Cheap Cuts
        Heidi Berry - Miracle
        Scheer - Sometimes
        The Wolfgang Press - Christianity (Wicked Man remix)
        Tarnation - The Well
        Kendra Smith - Vally Of The Morning Sun
        Red House Painters - Cabezon
        Mojave 3 - Love Songs On The Radio

=46acing The Wrong Way (FTWW 1) CD

        Scheer - Take You Anywhere
        Throwing Muses - Snakeface
        Red House Painters - Summer Dress
        Tarnation - The Well
        Air Miami - You Sweet Little Heartbreaker
        Mojave 3 - Love Songs On The Radio
        Belly - Super-Connected
        The Wolfgang Press - Christianity (Wicked Man Remix)
        Heidi Berry - Miracle (New Version)
        Lisa Gerrard - Sanvean
        Liquorice - Cheap Cuts
        Kendra Smith - Valley Of The Morning Sun
        The Amps - Empty Glasses (Kim's Basement 4 track version)



>where I can get one?=20

I don't know...

>I'll offer $30 for it!  Thanks.

'Yeah, but...' is a 7" single and $30 is too much for it I think






Emiel Efdee

the Netherlands, February 4, 1996
... [email protected]


Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 09:27:34 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko ([email protected])
Subject: Re: CD-selling-stuff


>anyway that you want me ep (slight damage; plays fine) $9

hello,
i am still interested in this! BTW-how do you mean "slight damage?"
just curious. anyway, i'll take it anyway.

                    -bobb.

Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 09:34:58 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko ([email protected])
Subject: Re: season clearance END - includes 'all new' flexi section


sorry all 4ADers for that last post to the list... i meant to send it
to him privately! :) ooops! won't happen again!

            -robert.


Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 09:33:09 -0800
From: Robert Pietrusko ([email protected])
Subject: Re: season clearance END - includes 'all new' flexi section


>                Shalala no 2    Talulah gosh/Razorcuts (no sleeve,
magic plastic!)
>

hello, i'm biding $5.oo, but if outbidded, i will give you $7.00

            -robert.
thank you.


Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 14:15:06 -0500
From: lorelei tremolor ([email protected])
Subject: non 4ad-- people in bands please read


i'm curious to hear from people who are in little bands, and who have put
out records and such.  i want to know how these things happened for you,
because my band is starting to think about these things and really want
to be educated before making decisions.

i hadn't been thinking about future goals til yesterday, some weird
record exec came in to hear us practice, and gave us a glimpse of the
crazy music business world.

okay, i hope to get many responses although i'm sure i'll get none

lorelei tremolor


Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 11:03:48 -0800
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: My Bloody Valentine, the movie


Forwarded from the MBV list. Warning: the movie is universally regarded
as a particularly lame slasher flick.

------------------------------
>
>If you've never seen the movie, now's your chance.  I certainly wouldn't
>advise
>spending the money to rent it.
>That's right--Cinemax is showing My Bloody Valentine, the movie from which
>the
>band name purportedly came, on 11 Feb 1996. If you like it, don't forget to
>check out the book (available in paperback).
> Gary ([email protected])


__________
Jens Alfke __________________          _________________________
           [email protected]          http://www.inow.com/~jens
       ________________________________________________________________
       This segment's question is whether the 7th angle of the diatonic
       flange grids should be amended! Blue or amber?

Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 13:56:49 -0500
From: lorelei tremolor ([email protected])
Subject: my review of the new lush album


> say that I'm prepared to hate them.  Has anyone yet heard the LP?
> And if so, what is your assessment of it?  "Single Girl" is only

i HAVE heard the album and i believe i already gave my review of it-- if
i did will other people who have heard it tell me if they agree... most
people i know have listened to it, been surprised that it was lush, but
liked the songs nonetheless.

i like the album, i'm afraid to say, even though it's not the lush i fell
in love with.  it's a whole new lush.  i don't think of them as the same
lush, they're doing newer things and it's too bad that they're not still
in scar mode.  but oh well.

i like many of the songs.  they've still got their beautiful key changes,
which they've always been good at.  slow song "papasan" is absolutely
beautiful, "heavenly nobodies" i probably like better than hypocrite.
and i LOVE LOVE LOVE cul de sac!  why doesn't anyone like it?  it's
awesome.  phil says another similar one is coming up- and he samples miki
and emma's vocals again, in a more thoughtforms way.

one thing that does bug me is the lyrics-- they used to be so poetic and
now they're really not.  "ciao!" is my least favorite song on the album.
it's catchy, and it may even grow on you, but i do believe it's a
terrible song. "500" has some bad lyrics i think- from "shake baby
shake...rake baby rake" to "they call you little mouse by name"
and all the horns they use...well, i don't mind them although i'm
sure people will.

i saw them live and they were good- this is a good enough thing.  so
maybe you should all just see them live and not buy the album.

xx
lorelei tremolor


has anyone seen the single girl video yet?  i haven't...

Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 13:39:42 -0500
From: Creig Jacobson ([email protected])
Subject: REPOST-1995 POLL...HAVE YOU VOTED YET?


We interrupt the barrage of Lush slams to bring you this reminder:

Send your votes for the 1995 poll to  by February 14th.  I've
only heard from about 25 people, and with roughly 400 list members out there,
I could potentially be very busy for the next couple of weeks.  But that's
OK...because we'd like to hear from EVERYBODY!!!  This is an opportunity to
make your opinion known, no matter how quiet you may be on the list. (I don't
know that I've seen anyone post that they really love Kendra Smith like I
do).

So here are the topics:
1. Best 4AD release of the year
2. Worst 4AD release of the year
3. Best 4AD song of the year
4. Worst 4AD song of the year
5. Best 4AD graphic design of the year
6. Best 4AD typography of the year
7. Most promising new artist on 4AD of the year
8. Best 4AD video of the year
9. Best 4AD related tour of 1995
10. Most anticipated 1996 4AD release
11. Artist of the year we wish were on 4AD
12. Album of the year we wish were on 4AD
13. Best Album on 4AD ever
14. Most missed former 4AD group/artist
15. WORST 4AD graphic design of the year
16. Most boring post on 4AD-L
17. Best NON-4AD album of the year
18. Best NON-4AD group/artist of the year
19. Best NON-4AD song of the year

YOU GET 10 VOTES in each category-divide them up in ANY way that you see
fit-for example:
1. 5-Kendra Smith-5 Ways of Disappearing
    5-Liquorice-Listening Cap
{just an example :)  }

And for those of you wondering what happened this past year:
CAD 4016-Wolfgang Press-Funky Little Demons (US 1995)
BAD 5001-Wolfgang Press-Going South
CAD 5002-Throwing Muses-University
BAD 5003-Belly-Now They'll Sleep
CAD 5004-Belly-King
DAD 5005-Red House Painters-Ocean Beach
CAD 5006-Kendra Smith-5 Ways of Disappearing
BAD 5007-Belly-Seal My Fate
CAD 5008-Liquorice-Listening Cap
CAD 5009-Lisa Gerrard-The Mirror Pool
CAD 5010-Tarnation-Gentle Creatures
CAD 5011-Air Miami-Me, Me, Me
BAD 5012-Scheer-Schism
CAD 5013-Mojave 3-Ask Me Tomorrow (US 1996)
BAD 5014-Air Miami-%@*! You Tiger
BAD 5015-The Amps-Tipp City
CAD 5016-The Amps-Pacer
TAD 5017-Kristin Hersh-The Holy Single
Facing the Wrong Way (UK promo CD)
No Balls (US promo CD)
...Think I'm Getting the Hang of it...(US promo CD)
Joe Friday (US promo 7")
Yeah, but...(US promo 7")
Some people have also cited specific items, such as limited editions of the
above releases, the L. Gerrard tour programme, and the v23 Calendar
(technically not a 4AD item)...but I don't think we should quibble...I'll
post all results in detail.  But remember...your identity is safe-you need
not fear the wrath of other listies based on your responses.
Thanks to those who've already responded, and I hope to hear from ALL the
rest of you very soon. CJ
[email protected]
DON'T post your responses to the list...send directly to me!

Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 14:12:52 -0600
From: Martin Wagner ([email protected])
Subject: Re: My Bloody Valentine, the movie


On Sun, 4 Feb 1996, Jens Alfke wrote:

> >That's right--Cinemax is showing My Bloody Valentine, the movie from which
> >the
> >band name purportedly came, on 11 Feb 1996. If you like it, don't forget to

Hey, could be worth a laugh.

Martin


Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:32:04 PST
From: Gur Kazir ([email protected])
Subject: opium den


hey...
    anyone know where i could find an info' about "opium den" and "fade to
black"?

   gur.


Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:32:57 +0100
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ([email protected])
Subject: NICE


From: Lars Ingebrigtsen (1979) Please start (unless otherwise noted) the following subscriptions from the January NICE order form: -- Black Eye: Land of Nod #1 Vertigo Verite: The System #1 Dark Horse: Send Space Usagi #3 only Send Duplex Planet Illustrated #15 only I Box: Send Thieves & Kings (2nd prt) #3 only Slave Labor: Ghost Ship #1 Spit & a Half: Silly Daddy/King Cat Flip #2 --
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen (1979)

Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:45:34 -0500
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: My Bloody Valentine, the movie


Hi guys

"My Bloody Valentine" isn't awful - it's a typical '81 slasher film (that was
a 'good' year for slice 'em/dice 'em movies), directed by a reasonably
talented Canadian, George Mihalka.

While not a classic - we're not talking Hitchcock here - it offers up a fair
share of chills and (mild) bloodletting goosebumps. The story behind MBV is
that the original cut was given an 'X' by the MPAA (the killer is partial to
pick axes and sundry implements of impalement), but Paramount whimped out and
sliced out the 'naughty bits' big time (see also: "Intruder", "Friday the
13th")

If you listen to very early (pre-Creation) MBV, you can hear why they named
themselves after a horror film. And they could have picked a far worse one.
We could all be eagerly anticipating the third album by (heavens forbid)

Night School
Nightmares in a Damaged Brain
Final Exam
Happy Birthday to Me

or, worst of all,

Curtains.


well now, that was pretty pointless. Wasn't it?

unrepentant junk-film connoiseur,
GuerillaG


Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:13:41 GMT
From: Paul Spirito ([email protected])
Subject: Re: My Bloody Valentine, the movie


On Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:45:34 -0500, GuerillaG wrote:

>"My Bloody Valentine" isn't awful - it's a typical '81 slasher film

Cognitive dissonance! Cognitive dissonance!

I've seen it, it's awful -- a typical '81 slasher film.


>If you listen to very early (pre-Creation) MBV, you can hear why they named
>themselves after a horror film. And they could have picked a far worse one.
>We could all be eagerly anticipating the third album by (heavens forbid)
>
>Night School
>Nightmares in a Damaged Brain
>Final Exam
>Happy Birthday to Me
>
>or, worst of all,
>
>Curtains.
>

Don't forget 10,000 Maniacs. I hear they have a new record deal;
perhaps it will be an inspiration to MBV. BTW, does anyone want to
comment on whether they're the world's laziest band, or just the most
obsessively perfectionist?

Paul,
who has used the 'perfectionist' excuse himself.


Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 18:13:29 -0500
From: [email protected]
Subject: RIBBONWEB


Hello all.

RIBBON now has a web-site featuring general information on back issues,
future issues and musical releases as well as reviews and links to several
sites, which most of you may find interesting.

Set your browsers to:


RIBBONWEB is image-heavy, so we recommend that you peruse with the most
current version of Netscape. A text only version is in the works.

RIBBON No. 3 is due out in late February and will feature an interview with
Air Miami's Mark Robinson. It is available for $3 postage paid from RIBBON |
3000-A COOK STREET | BIRMINGHAM, AL. 35209 | U.S.A.

C'est rad!!!

Roy

Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 00:40:22 +0100
From: "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" ([email protected])
Subject: Spoonfed Hybrid _Scary Verlaine_: sides inverted?


Not so important but for those who like precise things:

Has someone noticed that on _Scary Verlaine_,
stickers Debout/Couch=E9 are inverted regarding to the
number printed on sides: MZH 1685/A and MHZ 1686/B ?

I assume sides are inverted...?

                      ___
Laurent Lapierre     |-,-| This morning, IMO the best of Cranes:
[email protected] | - |                Cranes  _Wings of Joy_

Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 00:02:33 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ([email protected])
Subject: Uhmn... oops?


Sorry about that last message.  Bad Lars!  Bad!

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  [email protected] * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 17:57:38 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain ([email protected])
Subject: Re: My Bloody Valentine, the slackers


>BTW, does anyone want to
>comment on whether they're the world's laziest band, or just the most
>obsessively perfectionist?

"Worse than that, Jim.  They're both." -- Dr. McCoy

--
hk kahng | [email protected] & [email protected]
         | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
         | hey, look! i'm picasso!


Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 19:24:09 -0600
From: "Luis B. Abcede" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: My Bloody Valentine, the movie


the mbv-l is now at
[email protected]

Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:55:40 -0800
From: Micah Newman ([email protected])
Subject: Re: My Bloody Valentine, the movie


        Is the mbv list still around?? I came back after Christmas
vacation and unsuccessfully attempted many times to resub, and later was
informed that its existence had been cancelled.


Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 19:20:53 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Spoonfed Hybrid _Scary Verlaine_: sides inverted?


>Not so important but for those who like precise things:

Which would constitute a fair portion of this list....  :)

>Has someone noticed that on _Scary Verlaine_,
>stickers Debout/Couch=E9 are inverted regarding to the
>number printed on sides: MZH 1685/A and MHZ 1686/B ?
>
>I assume sides are inverted...?

Laurent, you made me look!  :)

It does look as if the Debout/Couch=E9 order is inverted according to the
innergroove stamping, yet at the same time, the label iconography and the
matrix numbers do suggest that side A (the drowning man) is indeed "Scary
Verlaine" and the flipside (the walking timebomb) is "The Sun Always Changes
My Mind."  Gotta love those Emigre font sets....

Yeah, yeah, yeah lecture me about bandwidth waste....

Cheers,


hk
--
hk kahng | [email protected] & [email protected]
         | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
         | hey, look! i'm picasso!


Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 20:40:18 -0800
From: cz ([email protected])
Subject: Re: HAVE YOU VOTED YET?


>Send your votes for the 1995 poll to  by February 14th.  I've
>only heard from about 25 people, and with roughly 400 list members out there,

        Only 25!?!  For such a group of vocal complainers you ppl are
pretty apathetic (pathetic?).  Here's your chance to let it be known what
you think is the WORST 4AD release of the year (you only get 10 pts, use
them wisely).  Here's your chance to vote for the most missed 4AD artist.

>(I don't
>know that I've seen anyone post that they really love Kendra Smith like I
>do).
        I love Kendra Smith.  I've said it before and i'll say it again.
BUT i do think her pre-4AD work was superior (solo and w/ Opal).

-cz


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