4ad-l Mail for 02-02-1996

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Subject: Re: Where is my "Tempean"?
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:15:35 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan/Lush/band names
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:46:05 -0500
From: Mr Snrub (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: hisnameisalive
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:54:51 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Dunno about the new Lush material...
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:14:07 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: LUSH
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:42:00 CST
From: Lysa Bellott (dijitxs@MAILHOST.ACCESSCOM.NET)
Subject: Shelleyan Orphan
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:44:00 CST
From: Lysa Bellott (dijitxs@MAILHOST.ACCESSCOM.NET)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:23:22 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: hnia sings man on the silver mountain
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 00:12:45 -0500
From: Lucius Kwok (lucius@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: E
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 23:25:33 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Realaudio Use (NON 4AD)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 01:35:46 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: detroit electric
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 00:43:29 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Projekt
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 00:08:11 -0500
From: Lucius Kwok (lucius@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 03:20:23 -0500
From: "J. Orr" (TheJorr@AOL.COM)
Subject: Questions:Vinyl/Acetate,Projekt,GLJ,Stina
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:02:13 -0500
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: The Birthday Party/Lydia Lunch: help me, please!
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 20:39:08 +0300
From: "Igor V. Vaganoff" (igo@DONWAVE.RND.SU)
Subject: Circling Girl
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:17:27 PST
From: Ricardo Montalban (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Re: teensy amt. of 4AD content, lotsa name stuff
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:13:05 -0500
From: Andrew Chapin (chapina@ALLEG.EDU)
Subject: bitty-itty reviews of The Pastels, Overblue, Windy&Carl,
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 01:20:44 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Fleas
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:57:29 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: ESP Summer
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 13:59:22 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: Lush revisionists of the world, unite!
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 06:59:51 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Re: just a couple of thoughts...
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:48:03 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: LUSH
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:48:03 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: The whole pixies / breeders / belly strain...
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:54:55 GMT
From: "K. Bruner" (napalm@UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: 4AD catalog?...4AD vinyl
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:10:52 -0500
From: NWND@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: Re: 4AD catalog?...4AD vinyl
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:15:23 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: RHP - Ocean Beach
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:24:39 -0500
From: chiaroscuro (zoe@CLARK.NET)
Subject: Mojave
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:27:49 -0500
From: underwater aztec (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: looking for someone...
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 06:01:01 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: one more Shelley
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:35:20 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Seefeel & the Folk Implosion
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:26:33 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Throwing Muses at the Whisky
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:42:01 -0800
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Les Disques Du Crepuscule Website
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:44:43 -0700
From: Brandon Capps (bcapps@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: hnia sings man on the silver mountain
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:32:54 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Objectivity, schmobjectivity
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:19:41 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: hisnameisalive
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:38:40 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: age against the machine (+some quasi-4AD
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:45:57 -0500
From: Andrew Chapin (chapina@ALLEG.EDU)
Subject: season clearance update - sorry 4ADers!
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:16:54 +1100
From: Season (season@WERPLE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: Realaudio Use (NON 4AD)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:51:07 -0600
From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Re: Lush revisionists of the world, unite!
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:47:37 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slumberland Phone #?
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:52:09 -0600
From: "M. Wade Chamberlainn" (chamberlainw@YVAX.BYU.EDU)
Subject: hello all
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:40:48 PST
From: "Jason R. Schmit" (jrschmit@MTNDEW.COM)
Subject: Re: The whole pixies / breeders / belly strain...
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:16:21 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: lost an icon today
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:01:12 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Heidi Berry
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 22:27:07 +0100
From: Rolando Michelazzi (rolando@SYSTEM.ABACOM.IT)
Subject: Liquorice Remixes?
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:20:16 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Re: Objectivity, schmobjectivity
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 13:12:15 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Mojave
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:11:41 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Mistle Thrush acoustic TONIGHT
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:09:06 -0500
From: Andrew Reynhout (reynhout@JANUS.SATURN.NET)
Subject: Re: ...& the Folk Implosion
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:18:08 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:15:35 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Where is my "Tempean"?


Jeremy Orr asks:
>My copy of Seefeel's _Succour_ does list the "untitled" 11th song among the
>tracks listed on the inside back cover.  But my CD player only recognizes 10
>tracks.

So does mine. But if you listen to the tenth track you'll hear that it's
really two tracks; it changes partway through. So my guess is that the
second part of track 10 is the secret "track 11". Where did you hear that
it's called "Tempean"? And do you also know the rest of the track titles
to the Aphex Twin's "Selected Ambient Works 2"? :)

__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          ________________________________________
                          He wants a shoehorn, the kind with teeth
                         'Cause he knows there's no such thing.

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:46:05 -0500 retained. retained. retained.
From: Mr Snrub (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan/Lush/band names


>That would be Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn (I'm sure I spelled that all
wrong)

just the "Khan" part

>the real big raga fellow.

Actually, he's a real big *qawwali* fellow, which is something
different


different hemispheres actually.  Nuskrat is from Pakistan and he's like
the Ravi Shankar of the 70s.  There style of music qawwali is really
history or story telling.  Most of there songs are half an hour, maybe
more.  Not exactly material for hit songs in the Westernized world.
He's latest claim to fame is working iwth Ediie Vedder.  You can find
some of Nuskrat's music on Real World compliations, there's full
lengths as well.  I believe that Peter Gabriel is the biggest type of
star that "discovered" the singer.  there's more in my world beat rough
guide, but it is packed away.  cheers, euthelene, who's moving yet
again...


Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:54:51 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: hisnameisalive


>Does anyone here know if his name is alive will play in texas?  if so,
>please let me know.
>Sorry for the short posting but i have to know.
>
>

i imagine they will... once the lp has been released.  For now Warren will be
limiting playing venues to the local Detroit-Chicago area for the
conveinience of 'testing' the new material on the audiences.  Mainly because
the Detroit area is his home area and Chicago is Karin's.

I'll see if I can find out how extensive of a tour (IF any) Warren has in
mind to support the new album....  Kinda like the Lush/Scheer/Air Miami
thingie I seen posted before...perhaps a Dead Can Dance/hisnameisalive
tour!!!!


keep yer fingers crossed!!!

-blue
blubelknol@aol.com


Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:14:07 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: Dunno about the new Lush material...


At 12:48 PM 2/1/96 -0500, you wrote:
>... 'cause I haven't heard it yet.
>
>However, I did hear a good chunk of "Sweetness And Light" in a
>Volkswagen ad last night (during Letterman).  I know that this fits
>most people's definition of "sell-out," so there's more fuel for your
>fire.  :-)


I doubt lush had anything to do with it.  It's like when the sundays' song
was in a beer commercial.  Ans anyway, if lush agreed to do it, it's not bad
because volkswagon is a pretty cool car company :)
...as opposed to beer ..yuk!!

-zel.

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:42:00 CST
From: Lysa Bellott (dijitxs@MAILHOST.ACCESSCOM.NET)
Subject: Re: LUSH


I was just sad (and a little miffed) because it seemed like people were
trashing SPOOKY undeservedly.  A big THANK YOU to those of you who have made
me feel like I'm not so alone in my opinions.  (BTW-- Melody Hope Darby is
my roommate.  I am Lysa.  We both use the e-mail account.  We've taken the
name off to avoid further confusion.)

Thanks,
Lysa


Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:44:00 CST
From: Lysa Bellott (dijitxs@MAILHOST.ACCESSCOM.NET)
Subject: Shelleyan Orphan


Does anyone know whatever happened to Shelleyan Orphan?  I miss Caroline
Crawley's gorgeous voice.

Lysa


Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:23:22 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan


Ah, the late Shelleyan Orphan...

Humroot was their last album, with three albums, three EPs,
and a few scattered songs all told. I don't know what either of
them is up to now.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 00:12:45 -0500
From: Lucius Kwok (lucius@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: hnia sings man on the silver mountain


Is it all that rare? I don't know, but I found it used (it's a promo cd)
so it can't be all that rare. I only paid $5.99 for it, so I'd guess it's
not worth a lot. I still love it, because I haven't yet found Home is in
Your Head. I love all of HNIA's stuff that I've listened to. It is one
moment fun and another moment very spooky.

--- Lucius Kwok  (lucius@astro.temple.edu) ---
       http://astro.temple.edu/~lucius

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 23:25:33 -0800
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: E


Of course this is all based on my own mileage, but a lot of people have
expressed similar problems with the album for less specific reasons,
andI find that pinpointing exactly what's wrong with a flawed record
can help me better enjoy it for its strengths.


 How about this "E":

   I like Lush.   *or*
   I hate Lush.   *even still*
   Lush ain't bad.


    There....no need to complicate things :)


                                       Brian


Has anyone seen "Intercourse with the Vampire" with Bo Datious

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 01:35:46 -0600
From: "Jose A. Garcia Triana Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Realaudio Use (NON 4AD)


I know it=B4s not 4AD but ...

Does anyone have an idea on how to use the Realaudio player? I just
downloaded (16 and 32 bit) and installed it. When I play a location i just
get a 'Unable to locate Server or derver is located somewhere else' on every
location!=20

Please help me 'cause I=B4m desperate!

Pepe

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 00:43:29 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: detroit electric


well, after a quick listen to the detroit electric (this was quick, mind
you. . .my opinion may change), i have to say i'm not all that impressed.
the windy and carl song and the dirt eaters song were pretty good, but a lot
of it was just noise -- not rhythmic, not pulsating -- just chaotic noise.
no structure.  i'm sorry that doesn't work for me.  i guess the verbal
equivlent (sp?) would be:

j   o   t
                        u
  p                                            q  m d moidjuoipe
    jk          kl;               poehngc
                    lpe                     m

i think you get the point.  there is none.

BiZ

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 00:08:11 -0500
From: Lucius Kwok (lucius@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Projekt


Projekt's presence on the web is at

    http://charlotte.acns.nwu.edu/arielr/projekt/

and if you have Netscape you can see their discography, which includes
titles deleted from their catalog, but not old titles with the same
number as new ones. The discography doesn't include song titles, unlike
the Eyesore database.

I just got Love Spirals Downwards' Ardor and Soul Whirling Somewhere's
new CD.  Really good albums, in my opinion. I was kinda disappointed not
to see Mediterranea on either of LSpiralD's albums, so I'm going to have
to look for the comp that has it.

--- Lucius Kwok  (lucius@astro.temple.edu) ---
       http://astro.temple.edu/~lucius


Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 03:20:23 -0500
From: "J. Orr" (TheJorr@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan


---from Brant Nelson:

> Ah, the late Shelleyan Orphan...with three albums, three
> EPs, and a few scattered songs all told. I don't know what
> either of them is up to now.

Three EPs?  Wow, I'd never heard of these...could someone provide titles and
tracklistings for them?  And approximate times of release would be nice to
know, as well.  The only output of theirs I was aware of were the three
albums, and a song called "Ice" that they recorded for a Columbia Xmas
compilation a few years ago.

I don't know anything about Jemaur Tayle's current whereabouts or activities,
but I read in some 'zine a while back that Caroline Crawley plus the Cure's
old rhythm section (including the drummer - Boris Williams? - who was her
boyfriend at the time) played 13YI as Ether.  There was talk of a 4AD release
from the band, but I've not heard a thing since then.  I believe she last
appeared singing backup on Spiritualized's "The Slide Song" (from
_Pure_Phase_).

---Jeremy  Here in the flesh,
                            piggy smack.


Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:02:13 -0500
From: "Neil G." (NEILG@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA)
Subject: Questions:Vinyl/Acetate,Projekt,GLJ,Stina


Sometimes one carries an erroneous assumption around for most of ones
life, many times making a prat of oneself trying to be clever and
slipping it into conversations.  I feel a bit silly about this, but
the dim bulb has begun to brighten and I am very sure one of my life-
long assumptions is completely incorrect.  For some reason I have
believed that when people (in 'Record Collector' for example) refered
to vinyl and acetate they were talking about the same thing.  This is
wrong isn't it?!  Is the acetate disc perhaps the master used to
press the vinyl or is it just a different medium on which to store
music?  Embarres me and publish the truth!

What happened to the Projekt mailing list that someone was supposed
to be setting up!  Also, if anyone is in the know are there any plans
to release one of those interesting compilations similar to 'Of these
Reminders'.  It would be a really good idea if something like this
was being set up.

What the @#$! has happened to Gene Loves Jezebel.  If they are still
together they are certain canditates for the laziest band around.

Thanks to all those on the list who recomended Stina Nordenstam!  I
now have two albums in me undeserving paws; 'And She Closed Her Eyes'
and 'Color of a Memory'.  I know the discography has been sent to the
4ad-l before, but are there any other albums; the memory is...... ?

    +-+-+-+-+
    |Neil  "And I watch these Afrikaner orchestra's on TV
    |       and I think "Christ, at least the Nazi's had
    |       Wagner you know?"
    |          -Ian Fraser-S.African playwrite, comedian and hooligan
    |       On himself: the product of a normal South African
    |       upbringing - in other words maladjusted and
    |       disfunctional.

Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 20:39:08 +0300
From: "Igor V. Vaganoff" (igo@DONWAVE.RND.SU)
Subject: The Birthday Party/Lydia Lunch: help me, please!


Greetings from Russia to everybody,

If there is somebody on the "list" who has info about 4AD' early years,
concretely The Birthday Party?  I'm interested in their single of 1982
_Drunk on the Pope's Blood_ (live, with "The Agony is the Extasy" of
The Birthday Party and guest star Lydia Lunch)?
Is there anyone who has this record and can explain in detail what is it
and better I would be most grateful if somebody help me with the copy
of this release! The creation of Lydia Lunch is very interesting for me
as I write book about her, and it's a GREAT problem to find this record here
in Russia. Thank you before!
All the Best,

--Igor V.
ACHTUNG BABY!
radiostation "DonWave"
  Russia


---
********************************************************************************
Igor Vaganov                     "Oh, you can't help that, we're all mad here" -
ACHTUNG BABY!                                                    Lewis Caroll
igo@donwave.rnd.su

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:17:27 PST
From: Ricardo Montalban (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Circling Girl


Greetings,
    If I remember right, at least a couple of you out there have
promo copies of the next CT album, right? Will this "Circling Girl"
track be on the album? Thanks in advance,
    brian
    bwilliam@fogelson.csf.ed

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:13:05 -0500
From: Andrew Chapin (chapina@ALLEG.EDU)
Subject: Re: teensy amt. of 4AD content, lotsa name stuff


don't forget the "white" bands - lion , Great - , - snake, -cross, etc.

andrew


Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 01:20:44 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: bitty-itty reviews of The Pastels, Overblue, Windy&Carl,

              and Once Dreamt

I ended up listening to a few things after a fill-in show I did on Tuesday.
Thought some of you folks might be interested if you hadn't heard these
already.

The Pastels, _Mobile Safari_, Up Records
This trio from Scotland has some nice poppy tunes, nothing spectacular,
but good fun stuff. I prefer the female singer over the guy, but she sings
on only about four out of 12 songs. A couple songs that stand out are
"Yoga," the most playful catchy tune (it reminds me of Stereolab because
of the "bup ba--, ba bup ba--" vocals) and "Worlds of Possibilities," which
is a slower, soul kind of tune with great horn parts. very cool.
Either song would be good to request at your favorite college radio station.

Overblue, "monoatomic" b/w "robitussin" 7", Ultramodern Records
Ultramodern may be the next place to look for the tweeest music around.
This is the best dream-pop sounding single I've heard in a long time!
The A-side somehow manages to be low-fi, spacy, dream-poppy, and folksy
at the same time. The song somehow reminds me of the Mary Taylor Moore
theme song... I don't know how. The B-side is a slower, moody, layered
psych pop thing. Their sound is very collage-oriented and dense, just
the thing to get you out of these "bad music" doldrums we seem to be
experiencing on the list.

Windy & Carl, _Portal_, Ba Da Bing!
This duo from The State Shaped Like a Mitten has been mentioned here
some so I was curious to check this out. The first impression I got was
of slowness... reeal slooooowness. It's all delayed and reverbed, slow,
fuzzy washes of guitars with some barely audible vox here and there.
It's not the type of thing I normally listen to, but it is the
good music to completely zone out to, perhaps like Flying Saucer Attack.
There is a good song called "Ode to Spaceman," presumably referring to
Spacemen 3.

Once Dreamt, "Drifting" EP, Blue Flea
Four songs by Windy & Carl & Randall & Brenda. Wow! Really quite cool.
The "addition" of two people draws the music into more song-like territory,
less free-form than the above release. The percussion give the songs more
movement, there are actual vocal melodies, and bass lines.
There's still plenty of white/pink/red noise to go around, blurring
the reverbed and fuzzy guitars. With song titles like "Lost" and
"Space Travel," this music is in the same airspace as Bowery Electric.
It's a safe bet, if you like Bowery Electric, Once Dreamt is your cup o' tea.

See you folks at the Impala Cafe for Elysium, ok?
-nick
who's been on Robi/Tussin + other goodies for a couple weeks

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:57:29 GMT
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Fleas

              <960131150521_132414910@emout08.mail.aol.com>

Jeremy wrote:

>Oh, and yes, we all now know that New Order originally performed
>"Everything's Gone Green".  Please read all of your mail before responding to
>simple inquiries.  Maybe someone else already answered the question...twenty
>or so friggin' times...

Am I the first to say that before we complain about twenty or so answers to
the same question, we should read our email to check if anyone else has
complained about the same issue?

Simon Hughes


Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 13:59:22 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: ESP Summer


>1,000 were pressed.  it's still not terribly hard to find (being fairly
>new).  it's worth whatever someone will pay for it.  $8 is not a terribly
>low price (got mine for $6.50).


Does anyone here have any info, like an address, where i can get a copy?
Thanks in advance,
-zelzah.

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 06:59:51 -0600
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush revisionists of the world, unite!


Melody asked dispairingly:
  Why do I feel like I'm the only person in the whole entire world that loves
  SPOOKY as much as anything else Lush has done (including SPLIT)???

And einexile, who is incidentally infinitely more interesting and
entertaining than his detractors, responded:

  The album is flawed, and I think not noticing why can make listening to
  it a worse experience than it might otherwise be. Its sound is
  relentlessly full and there is little in the way of
  subtlety or crispness to break it up, so that one gets a sensation of
  drowning. Tiny Smiles is unbearably cloying and many of the album's
  other songs (including some of Lush's best work) never gives you a
  moment to breathe, so you have this happening on a small scale as well.

You say this as if it were a bad thing.  I happen to like the occasional
album that is almost suffocating because of its single-minded character.
(Think late Big Black, lotsa dark ambient, most shoegaze).

In Lush's case, an adequate band with the usual British post-punk
influences was signed, but I would have ignored them if it weren't for
what then seemed like effect pedal overkill.  I don't have time for every
patch of angry young women with guitars.  But with the overlay of Robin
Guthrie inducing the patented "Sugar Hiccup" glistening walls of guitar
in between snorting and shooting up, "Mad Love" and "Spooky" transcended
their squalid origins, a rock without riff, an enveloping sound.

Now that Miki, Emma, et.al. have become more empowered angry young women,
who can collectively say "no" to the production excesses of their past, is
it any wonder that they sound increasingly run of the mill?

There is a 4AD-L, and not a Atlantic or Warner Bros. list, because the
label's audience recognized a unifying aesthetic at work, particularly in
the golden era of 1984-1990.  And it had nothing to do with "good
songwriting".  "Good songwriting" is a dime a dozen in the crowded market.
What the 4AD label briefly contributed was a focus on sound qua sound, and
texture, into a pop music context.  This is why so many list longtimer's
spurn more recent 4AD signings, like RHP, Scheer, or Tarnation; while
they may individually represent perfectly fine bands, they don't
represent anything unavailable elsewhere in the market.  They are
continuing signs of the strategic retreat into middle-aged conventional
"song" values by Ivo and co.

Which is fine: several other labels have won my confidence and support by
consistantly presenting music of texture and affect.  I might have never
discovered Too Pure, Warp, Astralwerks, Extreme, Warp, Sub Rosa, even the
somewhat dubious Project/Darkwave had I been cataloguing my 4AD cat
numbers.

I've digressed, but that's your humble correspondant's take on the
decline and fall.  And may Miki and Emma once again lust after their
Digitech or Ensoniq rack effects.  They might be worth paying attention
to again.


D. Stephen Roy  //\\  Die in your thoughts every morning and
dsroy@rice.edu  \\//  you will no longer fear death - Hakakure


Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:48:03 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: just a couple of thoughts...


     No, I don't care much for RHP at all.  I've given several CDs a
listen--usually more than once.  But I don't like them.  But you
bring up an interesting point:

> RHP, being from the bay area,
> somehow summon up those images, simultaneously relating them to every
> subsequent event up until now, in the most evocative way imaginable.
> When Mark sings "I only got memories I'm still not clear of" in "Red
> Carpet", that right there is my LIFE. When I hear "Moments", the affinity
> is even greater.

Perhaps they mean nothing to me because the bay area in which I live
is the area near Galveston Bay:)

moran@hal-pc.org


Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:48:03 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: LUSH


On Wed., Jan 31 Micah Newman wrote:

>         All of it is great (still withholding judgment on the new stuff, which
> I haven't heard).
>         This current anti-Lush stream is pure herd mentality.

I beg to differ.  Personally, I have liked everything they did
previous to these eps, including _Split_.  And upon hearing the eps,
I called fellow listmember dsroy to tell him how terrible they
were--and I only saw the first post about it the next morning.
Besides, you will note that those of us who've really bashed the eps
like most of the other stuff.  If I thought that Lush were crap in
general then I wouldn't be so surprised about the eps and I wouldn't
care, either.
I'm not giving up on Lush--I just won't ever buy anything from them
again without listening to them first, and I reccomend that everyone
else do the same.

moran@hal-pc.org

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:54:55 GMT
From: "K. Bruner" (napalm@UGCS.CALTECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: The whole pixies / breeders / belly strain...


Joseph Burns  writes:

>                Pixies                          Throwing Muses
>        Frank Black - Kim Deal          Tonya           -       Kristen
>            |               |           |                         |
>        Frank Black           breeders                  more Throwing Muses
>            |                   |                                 |
>        stagnation              |                               stagnation

I take offense at applying the term "stagnation" to the Muses.  Frank
Black, though, eh, go ahead.


The Official Great Goddess To Whom You Do Beg of Dogbert's New Ruling Class
--
Do I contradict myself? ...I am large, I contain multitudes.
                                        --Walt Whitman

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:10:52 -0500
From: NWND@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: 4AD catalog?...4AD vinyl


hey...
   anyone know where i could get an american 4AD catalogue...im looking for
some records that i fear i have no alternative but to order.i found a
leaflet that was enclosed with my all virgos are mad cd but it requires using
british pounds...and that can get messy.




thanks..bryan     oh and sorry about the dangling 'leaflet' sentence...couldn't
seem to erase it....
leaflet that came with my all virgos are mad cd but it requires using
pounds


Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:15:23 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD catalog?...4AD vinyl


4AD US does not have a catalog, nor do they deal
with mail order, so if you want to buy 4AD stuff
directly from 4AD, you either have to send pounds to
England, or give them your credit card number.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:24:39 -0500
From: chiaroscuro (zoe@CLARK.NET)
Subject: RHP - Ocean Beach


i would have to agree with micah.  ocean beach is definitely one of my
favorite recordings of this past year.  it amazes me that people have a
problem getting into it.  but i guess different strokes for different folks,
as they say.

i love the melodies, the sounds of the guitars, the sadness in mark's
voice.  this recording really speaks to me and is truly inspiring.  it
seems as if he his lamenting some kind of lost, crazy love.

i vote thumb's up!

lisa

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:27:49 -0500
From: underwater aztec (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Mojave


>i spent my
>sabatacle (sp) listening to mojave....what a nice record....sounds a lot like
>early leonard cohen....only with rachel's backing vocals the musicality isn't
>dominated by the folk lyrics as was often the case, and i assume the intention
>of leonard cohen.

Ha, I was wondering if anyone was going to make the comparison. I also
noticed the distinct influence of ol' Laughing Len on this record,
especially on "Candle Song 3" and "Where Is The Love". Rachel's backing
vocals are also not quite as cloying as those of the backing singer(s) LC
used to use on songs like "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye".

There's an interview with Mojave in the latest AP, with a rather startling
photo of the band. Neil looks much scruffier than ever before and Rachel's
new haircut appears to be self-inflicted. Anyway, it's mostly about
Slowdive, as it turns out, and the catastrophe that was their relationship
with SBK and, towards the end, Creation as well. Worth reading.

Larry

I think animal testing is a terrible idea: they get all nervous and give the
wrong answers.

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 06:01:01 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: looking for someone...


On Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:25:37 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>>
>>  winter wonderland can be found on a cd called "the cutting edge of
>> christmas" - also, you might try hmv records in boston to see if they have
>> any copies of "snow" left, which also has "frosty the snowman", and is a
>> much better song, imo.
>
>also, if it isn't too pricey, frosty the snowman is on a compilation
>called 'the coolest christmas' if I'm not mistaken...  it may be less
>expensive to go with the record company and get both songs with one shot
>instead of buying both compilations which could run you around 15 us
>dollars for each.  (in the US, anyways)
>
>Ponyboy
>
>

Alas, both "Edge of Christmas" and "Coolest Christmas" have been
deleted -- perhaps they'll be rereleased next Christmas. Also, HMV is
out of "Snow". "Frosty The Snowman" is still available on the Volume
compilation "Sharks Patrol These Waters" (though it isn't tracked: if
you listen to track 2 of disc 2 it's actually a James song: Frosty is
at the end of track 1), and the original Volume may still be
available. I'm not sure.

Paul,
who foolishly waited until after Christmas to order his Christmas
albums.

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:35:20 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: one more Shelley


and of course there's that promo CD compilation
called "Waking Up" that has a mix of previously released
stuff, including This Mortal Coil.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:26:33 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Seefeel & the Folk Implosion

              1, 96 05:15:35 pm

Jens Alfke  wrote:
>
> Jeremy Orr asks:
> >My copy of Seefeel's _Succour_ does list the "untitled" 11th song among the
> >tracks listed on the inside back cover.  But my CD player only recognizes 10
> >tracks.
>
> So does mine. But if you listen to the tenth track you'll hear that it's
> really two tracks; it changes partway through. So my guess is that the
> second part of track 10 is the secret "track 11". Where did you hear that
> it's called "Tempean"? And do you also know the rest of the track titles
> to the Aphex Twin's "Selected Ambient Works 2"? :)

That's my reading of the situation, too - the word "Tempean" appears on
the inside of the CD booklet (otherwise blank) on the opposite side of
the paper to where the name of the 11th track should be.  LFO's
"Advance", by the way, has not been out of my walkman for the last few
days.

And...


Jens Alfke  wrote:
 > ObPossiblyThisListy: What about Folk Implosion? I've heard a
 > couple of interesting songs by them, more or less in the
 > category of groove-driven guitar pop with some very odd sounds
 > and other stuff going on. If they're totally mainstream I
 > apologize, but I don't listen to mainstream radio or read
 > mainstream magazines so I'd have no idea.

Isn't this Lou Barlow (Sebadoh, Sentridoh) and someone else?  Or am I
thinking of another spin-off project?  Lou seems to release a new album
with 43 songs on it every three months, so I have more or less given up
on trying to keep in touch with his releases other than those by
Sebadoh, who are patchy at the best of times, but wonderful when they
get it right - "Bakesale" is the only album of theirs I can listen to
without hitting the skip button every now and then.



--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 02/02/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/NORMAN.HTM
LFO - Advance

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:42:01 -0800
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Throwing Muses at the Whisky


Saw in the paper this morning the above announcement, i.e. Throwing Muses
are playing at the Whisky on February 20th. Does anyone have their phone
number so I can order a ticket. I am way out in Irvine. I can't wait to
go. On their last tour I was just amazed by the sound they put out.

matthew


Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:44:43 -0700
From: Brandon Capps (bcapps@PRIMENET.COM)
Subject: Re: Les Disques Du Crepuscule Website


hi frank!
the web site looks great! It was really neat to see some extensive info on
The Names as they are an all time favorite and a big inspiration for me.
I'll look forward to picking up your book when it is made available.

                        best regards,


                  brandon capps / half string


p.s. Do you have any information on Tunnel Vision?  They are another fave
of mine, though i only own the "Watching The Hydroplanes" 7" ( i also have
a recording of two songs that aren't really worth mentioning as it's bad
glossy/commercial eighties new wave stuff).  I've been told that they had a
full album recorded around the time of Hydroplanes.  The factory 7" is so
inspiring that i named my new musical project Watching The Hydroplanes.
It's an improvised melodic noise/rhythm project that Kimber, Matt, and I
are pursuing.  We're going to try and record an albums worth of material
here soon.

*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.
                                Brandon Capps
                            bcapps @primenet.com
                                P.O. Box 1483
                               Tempe, AZ 85280
                                   U.S.A.
*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.
*.


Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:32:54 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: hnia sings man on the silver mountain


its not all that rare, bsides, all the tracks appear on other things to
the best of my knowledge.

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:19:41 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Objectivity, schmobjectivity


On rereading I think my recent flame on people who complain about reviews
was a bit harsh. I apologize if anyone took it as an ad hominem attack on
their person.

However, may I note that in my experience on this list, the intersection
between the set of people who post nontrivial reviews, and the set of
people who complain about the wording of reviews, is basically nil. I
might take the complaints at all seriously if this were not so.

interesting songs by them, more or less in the category of groove-driven
guitar pop with some very odd sounds and other stuff going on. If they're
totally mainstream I apologize, but I don't listen to mainstream radio or
read mainstream magazines so I'd have no idea.

__________
Jens Alfke  __________________
            jens@mooseyard.com
                          ________________________________________
                          He wants a shoehorn, the kind with teeth
                         'Cause he knows there's no such thing.

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:38:40 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: hisnameisalive


blubelknol@aol.com wrote:

>I'll see if I can find out how extensive of a tour (IF any) Warren has in
>mind to support the new album....  Kinda like the Lush/Scheer/Air Miami
>thingie I seen posted before...perhaps a Dead Can Dance/hisnameisalive
>tour!!!!

>keep yer fingers crossed!!!

I've always wished for a HNIA/Stereolab tour myself, and they both have new
releases this Spring.

I can dream can't I?

Martin
mahoyt@uci.edu


Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:45:57 -0500
From: Andrew Chapin (chapina@ALLEG.EDU)
Subject: Re: age against the machine (+some quasi-4AD


The first album I ever got was Twisted Sister's Stay Hungry for my 8th birthday 
hen I was in second
grade.  I still love it and would listen to it if it had not been stollen this p
st summer
Andrew


Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:16:54 +1100
From: Season (season@WERPLE.NET.AU)
Subject: season clearance update - sorry 4ADers!


sorry to the people who aren't following this CRAZY auction thing, I said I
wasn't going to post any more public notices; but I found that many of my
private replies weren't getting through, so here's another public update....
i wish there was a better way to decide who gets these singles, because i
don't think some of you are going to stop bidding until you win & I'd hate
to be responsible for you living on the streets (with your turntable!).
the deadline for any more bids is this Sunday 4th.
people were worried that they didn't know if theirs was the top bid or
not,(sorry!) so i decided to include the top bidders name - i hope you don't
mind.
bids are in $US & don't include postage(which will cost $3.50 for 4 7"s)
equals = more than one bid at that price.
I have 4 copies of EAWS - one step forward & 4 of Goes so slow + one red
vinyl, so I can take a few equal bids on these.
any records that have disappeared from the list have disappeared ('pop') -
sorry.
the prayers is a brilliant single!

ok here goes....

$2.50   rob     A HOUSE CALL ME BLUE
$3.50   rob     A HOUSE KICK ME AGAIN JESUS
$3.00   jc      A HOUSE SNOWBALL DOWN/YOU
$8.00   captain k       AMELIA  CAN YOU KEEP A SECRET?
$15.00  robin   BABY LEMONADE   SECRET GOLDFISH
$3.00   chris   BACHELOR PAD    SMOOTHIE
$4.00   equal   BIFF BANG POW!  SOMEONE STOLE MY WHEELS
$4.00   equal   BIFF BANG POW!  THE WHOLE WORLDS TURNING BROUCHARD!
$4.00   carol   BLAKE BABIES    LADIES WITH AN ATTITUDE...
$5.00   laura   BODINES GOD BLESS/PARADISE
$5.00   laura   BODINES HEARD IT ALL
$3.00   robert  BOYRACER        AUL 36X EP
$8.00   alfred  BRIAN   YOU DON'T WANT A BOYFRIEND
$4.00   carol   CANDY DARLINGS  THAT'S WHERE CAROLINE LIVES
$8.00   carol   CHARLOTTES      ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?
$6.00   lara    CHESTERFIELDS   GUITAR IN YOUR BATH
$15.00  joseph  CLOSE LOBSTERS  NEVER SEEN BEFORE
$3.00   johnny  CONFETTI        SEA ANEMON EP
$5.00   brian   DARLING BUDS    BURST
$5.00   brian   DARLING BUDS    IT'S ALL UP TO YOU
$5.00   brian   DARLING BUDS    SHAME ON YOU
$2.00   ray     DEARLY  ONLY BETWEENS
$10.00  dave l  DIE FUNF FREUNDE        PERFECT DAY
$4.00   alfred  EAST VILLAGE    VIBRATO/VIOLIN
$4.00   ms mel  FAT TULIPS      DRIVING ME WILD
$7.00   matt h  FAT TULIPS      FOUR SONGS FOR SIMON
$3.00   johnny  FAT TULIPS      NEW SPRING RITES FOR SARAH
$10.00  equal matt h & david    FAT TULIPS      WHERE'S CLARE GROGAN NOW?
                FIVE YEAR PLAN  HIT THE BOTTLE
$7.00   matt h  HAYWAINS        FISHERMAN'S FRIEND
$4.00   carol   HONEYBUNCH      WALKING INTO WALLS
$10.00  mario   IMPOSSIBLES     DELPHIS
                IT'S IMMATERIAL SPACE
$15.00  james l JAMES DEAN DRIVING EXP...       DEAN'S ELEVENTH DREAM
$12.00  alfred  JESSE GARON...  ADAM FAITH EXPERIENCE
$10.00  alfred  JESSE GARON...  SPLASHING ALONG
$5.00   callie  JESSE GARON...  UNION CITY BLUE
$11.00  david   JESTERBELLS     JUST LIKE APPLES
$10.00  read d  JESUS AND MARY CHAIN    APRIL SKIES
$10.00  read d  JESUS AND MARY CHAIN    SURFIN' USA
$10.00  read d  JESUS AND MARY CHAIN    UPSIDE DOWN
$3.00   matt h  LEGENDARY BANG  BIG BLUFF
                LINDA SMITH     TIL ANOTHER TIME
$6.00   jc      LOFT    UP THE HILL & DOWN THE SLOPE
$3.00   robert  LORELEI ASLEEP
$10.50  matt k  MAN FROM DELMONTE       WATER IN MY EYES
$7.00   laura m MAYFIELDS       DEEPER THAN THE OCEAN
$5.00   carol   MAYFIELDS       WORLD OF YOUR OWN
$11.00  ty      McCARTHY        FRANS HALS
$7.00   jc      MEAT WHIPLASH   DON'T SLIP UP
                MIGHTY LEMON DROPS      THE OTHER SIDE OF YOU
$4.00   alfred  MOSSPOLES       ONE SUMMER
$6.00   ty      MOUSEFOLK       GRANNIES CAKE CRISIS
$6.00   ty      MOUSEFOLK       SONGS OF LOVE AND HATE
$3.00   scott   MUSICAL CHAIRS  TIME LAPSE
$20.00  read d  MY BLOODY VALENTINE     NO PLACE TO GO
$40.00  read d  MY BLOODY VALENTINE     SUNNY SUNDAE SMILE
$5.00   laura m ONE THOUSAND VIOLINS    LOVE IN
$15.00  joseph  PALESAINTS      A THOUSAND STARS BURST OPEN - BONUS 7"
$10.00  carol   PASTELS DIFFERENT DRUM (SIGNED BY STEPHEN!)
$7.00   andy    PASTELS SONGS FOR CHILDREN
$2.00   david   POWER OF DREAMS NEVER BEEN TO TEXAS
$5.00   brian   PRIMITIVES      SPELLS
$5.00   brian   PRIMITIVES      WAY BEHIND ME
$5.00   jen     RAW HERBS       SHE'S A NURSE
$13.00  matt h  RAZORCUTS       BIG PINK CAKE
$13.00  matt h  RAZORCUTS       SOMETIMES I WORRY ABOUT YOU
$3.00   equal   RED LETTER DAY  HIBERNATION
$3.75   dhiraj  RED SLEEPING BEAUTY/ BENITO
$3.00   robert  ROPERS  I DON'T MIND
$6.00   leonard SERVANTS        SHE'S ALWAYS HIDING
$7.00   andy    SHOP ASSISTANTS HERE IT COMES
$7.00   ty      SIDDELEYS       WHAT WENT WRONG THIS TIME
$3.00   robert  SMALL FACTORY   LOSE YOUR WAY
$3.50   rob     SMALL FACTORY   SUGGESTIONS
$3.00   robert  SMALL FACTORY   WHAT TO WANT
$15.00  alfred  SOUP DRAGONS    THE SUN IN THE SKY EP
$4.00   alfred  SOUP DRAGONS    WHOLE WIDE WORLD
$6.00   equal   SPIRITUALIZED   SMILE/SWAY
$20.00  robin   STEREOLAB       DOUBT/CHANGER
$4.00   cel     STONE ROSES     ELEPHANT STONE
$4.00   cel     STONE ROSES     WHAT THE WORLD IS WAITING FOR
$3.00   michael SWINGS & ROUNDABOUTS EP RILEYS/ACID HOUSE KINGS/HOME & ABROAD
$9.00   carol   TEENAGE FANCLUB EVERYBODY'S FOOL
$3.00   equal   TELEVISION PERSONALITIES        PRETTIEST GIRL IN THE WORLD
                THAT PETROL EMOTION     GENIUS MOVE
$5.00   alfred  TIGER TRAP/HENRY'S DRESS        ASTRONAUTICAL MUSIC FESTIVAL
$3.00   andy    TREE FORT ANGST BUZZING WITH BEAUTY & WONDER
$3.00   equal   TREE FORT ANGST TILTING AT WINDMILLS
$2.00   andy    VELOCITY GIRL   MY FORGOTTEN FAVOURITE
$3.00   equal   VELVET CRUSH    SOUL CRUSHER EP
$3.00   read d  WEATHER PROPHETS        ALMOST PRAYED
$7.00   jc      WEATHER PROPHETS        ALMOST PRAYED dbl
$4.00   jc      WEATHER PROPHETS        ALWAYS THE LIGHT
$2.00   rob     WHITE TOWN      ALAIN DELON EP
$2.00   rob     WHITE TOWN      ALL SHE SAID
$3.00   lara    WHITE TOWN      WHITE TOWN
                WHORL   MAYBE IT'S BETTER
$5.00   el bast VELOCITY GIRL/TSUNAMI   CHRISTMAS SPLIT
                McCARTHY/A HOUSE        SOUNDS MACHINE SAMPLER
$3.50           TWO FOR THE PRICE OF ONE FANZINE/EP
$3.00   rob     CUDGELS/DUFFLECOATS/KIND
$3.00   rob     STRAWBERRY STORY/DALEK BEACH PARTY/KIND
$6.00   ty      HAPPY HOLIDAYS EP       GOTW/W.TOWN/3HTOUR/CB&SG
$5.00   read    PALESAINTS/FRENTE/JPS EXPERIENCE/J HATFIELD SPLIT



$7.00   robert  AFTERGLOW       FALL BEHIND
$3.00   ray     AUTOHAZE        DIVE INTO THE SUN
$3.00   ray     AUTOHAZE        UNDECIDED
$6.00   roy     BATS    BLOCK OF WOOD
$3.00   david   CAPTAIN COCOA   BORN TO SHOP
$15.00  eric    CHILLS  PINK FROST
$10.00  eric    CHILLS  ROLLING MOON
$10.00  jc      CLEAN   GETTING OLDER
                CLERGY  ROSETHORN
$5.00   jc      CLUB HOY        ON AND ON
                DIED PRETTY     TIME/ MARCH PAST
$8.00   jacytha EVEN AS WE SPEAK        BLUE SUBURBAN SKIES
$6.00   equals  EVEN AS WE SPEAK        GOES SO SLOW
$6.00   equals  EVEN AS WE SPEAK        ONE STEP FORWARD EP
                FEAR OF FALLING CROSSROADS OF REALITY
                FEAR OF FALLING FOR THE TOURIST
                FEAR OF FALLING HAND IN HAND
                FEAR OF FALLING YOUR PLACE
$3.00   rob     GIRL OF THE WORLD       LE CIRQUE
$3.00   rob     GIRL OF THE WORLD       TRAVEL EP
$5.00   superk  HUMMINGBIRDS    2 WEEKS WITH A GOOD MAN
$3.00   rob     HUMMINGBIRDS    BLUSH (SIGNED)
$5.00   chris   LOVE POSITIONS  LIGHT OF DAY
                PRAY TV SPENT
$6.00   cel     RAINYARD        HELLBENT SUICIDAL...
$1.00   josh    RIPE    SPACESUIT 42
$7.00   jc      STRAIGHTJACKET FITS     DOWN IN SPLENDOUR dbl
$3.00   rob     SUGARGLIDERS    AH PRAHRAN
$10.00  matt h  SUGARGLIDERS    BUTTERFLY SOUP
$6.00   jason k SUGARGLIDERS    LETTER FROM A LIFEBOAT
$3.00   rob     SUGARGLIDERS    SEVENTEEN
$3.00   rob     SUGARGLIDERS    TOP 40 SCULPTURE
$3.00   rob     SUGARGLIDERS    TRUMPET PLAY
$6.00   chris m SUGARGLIDERS    WILL WE EVER LEARN
                THE FILLS       MONTH
$5.00   jc      WHIPPER SNAPPERS        YOU NEVER LOOK



                SAROPOLY
$7.00   jacyntha        ACTION PAINTING THESE THINGS HAPPEN
$13.00  matt h  ANOTHER SUNNY DAY       GENETIC ENGINEERING
$5.00   jacytha ANOTHER SUNNY DAY       NEW YEARS HONOURS
$3.00   jacytha ANOTHER SUNNY DAY       RIO
$7.00   laura m ANOTHER SUNNY DAY       YOU SHOULD ALL BE MURDERED
$7.00   jacytha BLUEBOY BIKINI
$6.00   johnny  BLUEBOY CLEARER/ALISON
$2.00   andy    BLUEBOY DIRTY MAGS
                BOYRACER        PURE HATRED
$5.00   johnny  BRIGHTER        AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS
$3.00   rob     BRIGHTER        HALF-HEARTED
$6.00   mun wai BRIGHTER        NOAH'S ARK
$3.00   ray     EAST RIVER PIPE AXL OR IGGY
$3.00   ray     EAST RIVER PIPE FIRING ROOM
$3.00   ray     EAST RIVER PIPE HELMET ON
$8.00   jacyntha        FIELD MICE      AUTUMN STORE PART ONE
$8.00   jacyntha        FIELD MICE      AUTUMN STORE PART TWO
$12.00  henrik  FIELD MICE      EMMA'S HOUSE
$21.00  john m  FIELD MICE      I CAN SEE MYSELF ALONE FOREVER
$9.00   johnny  FIELD MICE      SENSITIVE
$8.00   jason k FIELD MICE      SEPTEMBER'S NOT SO FAR AWAY
$3.00   jacyntha        FOREVER PEOPLE  INVISIBLE/SOMETIMES
$10.00  john m  GOLDEN DAWN     GEORGE HAMILTON'S DEAD
$11.00  chris   HEAVENLY        I FELL IN LOVE LAST NIGHT
$6.00   mun wai HIT PARADE/AMELIA       CHRISTMAS TEARS
$3.00   jacyntha        IVY     AVENGE
$3.00   jacyntha        IVY     WISH YOU WOULD
$4.00   equal   NORTHERN PICTURE LIBRARY        LAST SEPTEMBERS FAREWELL KISS
$17.00  laura m ORCHIDS AN ILL WIND THAT BLOWS
$8.00   johnny  ORCHIDS UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW...
$7.00   johnny  ORCHIDS WHAT WILL WE DO NEXT
$3.00   jacyntha        SEA URCHINS     A MORNING ODYSSEY
$3.00   scott   SHELLEY REPRODUCTION IS POLLUTION
$7.00   jason k SPRINGFIELDS    WONDER
$3.00   rob     ST.CHRISTOPHER  ALL OF A TREMBLE
$6.00   equals  SWEETEST ACHE   IF I COULD SHINE
$3.00   jacyntha        SWEETEST ACHE   TELL ME HOW IT FEELS
$2.00   megan   TRAMWAY MARITIME CITY
$6.00   lara    WAKE    CRUSH THE FLOWERS
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   |\/\/\/|     Dave Harris : season@werple.net.au
   |      |     Season : Flat 3, 41 Shelley St, Elwood, 3184
   |      |              Victoria, Australia.
   | (o)(o)     Ph/Fax : 61 3 9 531 5049
   C      _)    P.S "this is an interesting signature" (smiley face)
    | ,___|
    |   /
   /____\
  /      \
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:51:07 -0600
From: Me (neitzl@TEZCAT.COM)
Subject: Re: Realaudio Use (NON 4AD)


Screw RA, use IWAVE!  Soon, i hope, i will be putting complete
songs of cocteau twins to my site, but that might be a while yet, since
my server has not yet been configures properly.
>I know it=B4s not 4AD but ...
>
>Does anyone have an idea on how to use the Realaudio player? I just
>downloaded (16 and 32 bit) and installed it. When I play a location i just
>get a 'Unable to locate Server or derver is located somewhere else' on=
 every
>location!=20
>
>Please help me 'cause I=B4m desperate!
>
>Pepe
>
>

=D6=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=
=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=
=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3=D3
"You are the sweetness in my eyes            You are an apple in disguise
 You are the sweetness i need for life       You are the sweetness in my=
 eyes"
                                      =20


Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:47:37 -0500
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lush revisionists of the world, unite!


> Now that Miki, Emma, et.al. have become more empowered angry young women,
> who can collectively say "no" to the production excesses of their past, is
> it any wonder that they sound increasingly run of the mill?

funny, i always took it that Lush's change from Spooky to Split was due
to an desire not to be pigeonholed into the 'shoegaze-sound' that was
rather forced on them in the Spooky production. i have read interviews
around the release of Spooky where they said that while they liked the
material on the disc they were disatisfied with the production and felt
it had muddled some of their efforts. True they are perhaps 'more
empowered' now, but i think they may have learned the lesson of just not
listening to overzealous producers that are eager to exploit a 'scene'.


as for al this 'decline of 4ad', if the label and its bands distress so
many of you, why do you bother? this isn't an attack (as it will probably
be taken as), but i cant understand why somebody would want an endless
stream of messages in their box about artists they dislike seemingly so
vehemently.

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:52:09 -0600
From: "M. Wade Chamberlainn" (chamberlainw@YVAX.BYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Slumberland Phone #?


slumberland has a home page.  Idont' know the address though.

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:40:48 PST
From: "Jason R. Schmit" (jrschmit@MTNDEW.COM)
Subject: hello all


after somewhat of a hiatus (i.e. busy doing other things to make ends
meet), i'm back on the list. i don't know what the current status of the
Prisoner, Dreampop or Advert lists are but it's good to be back on 4ad-l.
send me some e-mail if you'd like to chat, otherwise enjoy the music as
we enter 1996, a peculiar year for music i'm predicting. BTW, Mojave 3 are
beautiful sounding. trivia ? for the 4AD diehards, has any other band
besides Slowdive -> Mojave 3 made the transition from Creation to 4AD or
the other way around?

JRS
---
Jason R. Schmit
Interplay Productions
Irvine * CA * U.S.A.
jrschmit@interplay.com
jrschmit@mtndew.com

"Life is what happens while we're busy making other plans."


Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:16:21 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: The whole pixies / breeders / belly strain...


At 06:54 PM 2/1/96 GMT, you wrote:
>Joseph Burns  writes:
>
>>                Pixies                          Throwing Muses
>>        Frank Black - Kim Deal          Tonya           -       Kristen
>>            |               |           |                         |
>>        Frank Black           breeders                  more Throwing Muses
>>            |                   |                                 |
>>        stagnation              |                               stagnation
>
>I take offense at applying the term "stagnation" to the Muses.  Frank
>Black, though, eh, go ahead.

Me too...
Anyway, don't forget Josephine Wiggs, who used to be the bass player for
"The Perfect Disaster" before she was in the Breeders.

-zel.

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:01:12 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: lost an icon today


now don't go flaming me, well actually i don't care if ya do.

having been very involved in the arts, music and dance
i'm a bit sad...Gene Kelly passed away today.  he was an amazing
person, whom i actually met.  he was the last of the "regular" guys in
hollywood.  a sincere, talented individual who did wonders for the
artist community...here's to you gene, everytime it rains i'll think of
you

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 22:27:07 +0100
From: Rolando Michelazzi (rolando@SYSTEM.ABACOM.IT)
Subject: Re: Heidi Berry


On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, Jonathan Smith, JDHS, Juneau, AK wrote:

>I'm very interrested in knowing if Heidi Berry has anything released
>(foreign/domestic) other than Below th Waves and her self-titled.  Also, I
>know she put out an albu called Love (UK?), does anybody know here I can
>get a copy?

Heidy Berry discography (on the basis on my informations):
- mini LP "Firefly" (Creation CRELP 023, Oct.87)
- single "Below The Waves" (Creation CRE047T, 1988?)
- album "Below The Waves" (Creation CRELP 048, 1989)
  (CD version includes the six tracks from "Firefly")
- album "Love" (4AD CAD 1012, Aug.91)
- album "Heidi Berry" (4AD CAD 3009, 5.7.93)
- single "The Moon And The Sun" (4AD BAD 3010, 19.7.93)

I believe the 4AD releases are still available from 4AD (Mailing order

Ciao.
Rolando.

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:20:16 -0500
From: "John B. Jones" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Liquorice Remixes?


Ok, Ok, I give up.  After scouring record stores from New York City to
Berkeley CA (and many points in between), I have given up hope of ever
finding a promo CD with those Liquorice remixes by Warren Defever.  It is
just NOT going to happen.

So now I make an appeal to you listies.  Does anyone have this that could
tape it for me?  I have a large list of listie-type stuff to trade.  You
could check it out on my home page, or I could e-mail it to you.

Please aid a Warren fan and a Liquorice fan!  I beseech you!

P.S.  Whilst in Berkeley, I finally picked up the last Cranes CD.  Am I the
only one disappointed by it?  Their change in style is not what I wanted
for them :).

P.S.  I rarely post, so I have to say alot each time.  Thanks to all of
your recommendations, I picked up Bark Psychosis-HeX.  NOW i know why all
of you have been gushing about it for so long.  It is brilliant....it fills
the gap for those of you that miss the last 2 Talk Talk albums........


. e-mail: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 13:12:15 +0000
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Objectivity, schmobjectivity

              31, 96 12:29:08 pm

Jens Alfke  wrote:
 > about the only thing anyone can agree on is that "They suck"
 > does not connote a good review.

Unless it's a review of the new Frank Black album.  I've listened to it
a few times now, and I still think it's absolute drivel - if Frank
thinks that The Kids are going to rush to buy what sounds like a
second-rate Pixies rip-off album, I fear he's in for a shock.  He has
said his ambition now is to sell lots of records, I'd guess that he'll
be thrown off his current label by the end of the year.

Micah Newman  wrote:
 >
 > After noticing, more than once, the fact that einexile hates
 > RHP's _Ocean Beach_, I would like to know what other people
 > think about it. I remember when it came out last year, it didn't
 > create exactly a stir in terms of opinions. As for me, it is my
 > favorite 4AD album ever, and my favorite album of one of my
 > favorite bands, so hasty dismissals such as those I've heard are
 > disquieting to say the least.

It's my favourite RHP album, perhaps because it doesn't wallow in
self-pity like the others do at times, and the music is a bit more
tuneful.  Then again, this list seems to be full of old goths, so
perhaps the tuneless wallowing in self-pity is what some people thought
was good about RHP.  The Cure's next album is due out in May, all you
goths - I don't think I'll bother, personally.  Every time I try to
listen to the last one, I give up halfway through the first track - and
they used to be so good.

And now to the Great Satan and official list scapegoat himself:

einexile the meek  wrote:
 >
 > On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Melody Hope Darby wrote:
 >
 > > Why do I feel like I'm the only person in the whole entire world
 > > that loves SPOOKY as much as anything else Lush has done
 > > (including SPLIT)???
 >
 > The album is flawed, and I think not noticing why can make
 > listening to it a worse experience than I might otherwise be.
 >
 > - Its sound is relentlessly full and there is little in the way
 > of subtlety or crispness to break it up, so that one gets a
 > sensation of drowning. Tiny Smiles is unbearably cloying and
 > many of the album's other songs (including some of Lush's best
 > work) never gives you a moment to breathe, so you have this
 > happening on a small scale as well.  This is all made worse by
 > the uniformity of the vocals, which always have that Eye in the
 > Sky sound to them.

AKA the Robin Guthrie Patented Wall of Sugar Hiccup.  Though to be fair
to Robin, I often feel the same way about the Sweetness & Light EP -
there's something about that gentle fuzzy wash of strummed guitars and
ethereal singing (DAMN!  I had to use the e-word!) which makes
listening to Lush's records of that period a bit like swimming in
golden syrup.

Another reason for my less than wholehearted love of this album (which
will probably sound very stupid, but wotthehell) is that I bought the
limited vinyl double 10" format, and it gets a bit tedious having to
flip the thing over every three songs.

 > Of course this is all based on my own mileage, but a lot of
 > people have expressed similar problems with the album for less
 > specific reasons, and I find that pinpointing exactly what's
 > wrong with a flawed record can help me better enjoy it for its
 > strengths.

You fiend!  Stop being so SUBJECTIVE!  About the new singles - I like
them, perhaps because I'm not looking at them as part 14 in the seamless
tapestry of Lush genius - B-sides are supposed to be throwaway things,
oddball chances to let the bass player write a jazz instrumental and get
that urge to play the recorder out of your system.  I'll be disappointed
if the album is more of the same, but I doubt it somehow.  Also, while I
like Lush I don't adore them in the way many of the people on the list
seem to - even the last album, I felt, was inferior to the Pale Saints
one which came out at roughly the same time.

And finally, I'll irritate all the technophobes with a plug for the new
LFO album (see below), which is absolutely perfect mainstream techno,
and may well be on my walkman as much this year as Teenage Fanclub's
"Grand Prix" was last year.  The opening track, and one or two of the
others, sound almost like Spiritualized in places.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 01/02/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/NORMAN.HTM
LFO - Advance


Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:11:41 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Mojave


You wrote:
>
>>i spent my
>>sabatacle (sp) listening to mojave....what a nice record....sounds a
lot like
>>early leonard cohen....only with rachel's backing vocals the
musicality isn't
>>dominated by the folk lyrics as was often the case, and i assume the
intention
>>of leonard cohen.

yep, sure does.  sounds actually like the I'm your man release, but
more accoustic.  the lyrics have the same angst but not quite the edge
of leonard's brutal observations


>
>Ha, I was wondering if anyone was going to make the comparison. I also
>noticed the distinct influence of ol' Laughing Len on this record,
>especially on "Candle Song 3" and "Where Is The Love". Rachel's
backing
>vocals are also not quite as cloying as those of the backing singer(s)
LC
>used to use on songs like "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye".
>
>There's an interview with Mojave in the latest AP, with a rather
startling
>photo of the band. Neil looks much scruffier than ever before and
Rachel's
>new haircut appears to be self-inflicted. Anyway, it's mostly about
>Slowdive, as it turns out, and the catastrophe that was their
relationship
>with SBK and, towards the end, Creation as well. Worth reading.
>


and any bank that signs with SBK is asking for it...a reallll loser
label, remember Vanilla Ice, Wilson Phillips GAAAAGH
>Larry
>
>I think animal testing is a terrible idea: they get all nervous and
give the
>wrong answers.
>
Great quote, i'm stealing it, who should I credit...Larry?

cheers, euthelene

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:09:06 -0500
From: Andrew Reynhout (reynhout@JANUS.SATURN.NET)
Subject: Mistle Thrush acoustic TONIGHT


For the folks in the Boston area, Mistle Thrush is playing
tonight at 6pm at Tower on Newbury Street.  Acoustic set,
should run 30-45 minutes.

They're also playing tomorrow at Paradise, 7pm show.
Paradise becomes a dance club at 10pm, for dubious reasons.

If you're looking for something else to do tonight, go see
Big Monster Fish Hook at Middle East downstairs, set time
is roughly 10-10.30.  They're opening for the on-again,
off-again Opium Den.

GO SEE BIG MONSTER FISH HOOK BEFORE YOU REGRET MISSING THEM
WHEN THEY WERE SMALL.  :-)

Silly name, great music.  Very different...the kind of thing
4AD used to take chances with.

Andrew Reynhout (reduced to a lurker due to time constraints.)
reynhout@saturn.net  (new address)

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:18:08 -0800
From: aka Wavequeen (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: ...& the Folk Implosion


>
>Jens Alfke  wrote:
> > ObPossiblyThisListy: What about Folk Implosion? I've heard a
> > couple of interesting songs by them, more or less in the
> > category of groove-driven guitar pop with some very odd sounds
> > and other stuff going on. If they're totally mainstream I
> > apologize, but I don't listen to mainstream radio or read
> > mainstream magazines so I'd have no idea.
>
>Isn't this Lou Barlow (Sebadoh, Sentridoh) and someone else?  Or am I
>thinking of another spin-off project?  Lou seems to release a new
album
>with 43 songs on it every three months, so I have more or less given
up
>on trying to keep in touch with his releases other than those by
>Sebadoh, who are patchy at the best of times, but wonderful when they
>get it right - "Bakesale" is the only album of theirs I can listen to
>without hitting the skip button every now and then.
>
>
>
>--
>Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 02/02/96
>nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/NORMAN.HTM
>LFO - Advance

this would be Lou's sideproject. was on dah radio--like thos nasty EDGE
stations and other alt/prog stations.   they hit big with a song which
is actually featured onthe "Kids" soundtrack, tune called "Natural
One".  great groove, very sultry.  great overall release.  okay, i'm
biased because I promoted this release, but that aside it is really
good.  features, Daniel Johnston as well.

FOlk Implosion has a couple of releases in one form or another.

very chillingly yours, euthelene, who says when its this cold, time to
hug a comforter and camp in front of the fire...


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