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Subject: Re: To Englands
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:39:00 EST
From: Tom Homulka (Thomas_Homulka.WORLDGROUP@NOTES.COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: just got back...mojave is good.
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:39:03 -0500
From: NWND@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: age against the machine
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:19:24 EST
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: Belly T-Shirt
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:11:14 -0400
From: Craig Olinsky (crolinsky@VAXSAR.VASSAR.EDU)
Subject: unsubscribing
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:53:44 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: Everything's gone green
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:33:55 -0500
From: anaconda (anaconda@wwa.com)
Subject: just a couple of thoughts...
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:13:10 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Michael Brooks and U. Srinivas
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:31:31 -0500
From: anaconda (anaconda@wwa.com)
Subject: cd sale (a lot of 4ad +promos, some not)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:24:43 -0600
From: "I love carrots.." (z919758@RICE.FARM.NIU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Petition to Destroy Lush
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:47:37 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Petition to Destroy Lush
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:00:31 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: The whole pixies / breeders / belly strain...
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:22:39 -0600
From: "Michael C. Lawyer" (lawmic@HOMER.ACS.BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: spoonfed...
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 01:12:53 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan/Lush/band names
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:46:05 -0500
From: Mr Snrub (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Other lists..?
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 02:52:31 -0500
From: Svein Berven (svberven@LOGIN.EUNET.NO)
Subject: Re: Eden Does Not Equal D
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 04:58:00 -0300
From: Walter Reznik (wreznik@COLSCH.EDU.AR)
Subject: hnia live tape
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 03:37:15 -0600
From: Sung Shim (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: Re: LUSH
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:39:00 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP Summer
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:42:25 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: spoonfed...
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:38:18 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Loving the Lovering
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:05:22 -0500
From: "J. Orr" (TheJorr@AOL.COM)
Subject: Some crap while Seam plays in the background
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:30:58 -0500
From: "J. Orr" (TheJorr@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Other lists..?
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:50:52 -0800
From: Andy the Panda (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: One Lush song does NOT an Elastica make.
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:26:49 -0500
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Amps on TV
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:18:16 EDT
From: Christopher A Michaels/Instnl/VGI
Subject: lush war continues unabated
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:37:41 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Where is my "Tempean"?
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:50:56 -0500
From: "J. Orr" (TheJorr@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: spoonfed...
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:10:05 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Slumberland Phone #?
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:32:11 -0500
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: circling girl
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:22:55 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: subscribe
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:11:34 -0500
From: DOTY ELIZABETH E (DOTYEE@DLU.EDU)
Subject: Dunno about the new Lush material...
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:48:20 -0500
From: Adam J Weitzman (weitzman@INDIVIDUAL.COM)
Subject: Re: LUSH
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:22:13 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: age against the machine (+some quasi-4AD
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:45:27 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:39:00 EST
From: Tom Homulka (Thomas_Homulka.WORLDGROUP@NOTES.COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: To Englands


  On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Roger Brewster (Wedge)"  wrote:

  >like that.  As for you thinking it is too much to ask for advice about
  >Egypt, Turkey, and Israel.....someone might be able to help you out,
  >including myself as it happens.  The place to go to in Jerusalem, Israel,
  >is called "The Underground", and has a great party-like atmosphere, with
  >loadsa people dancing on tables and stuff.  There was also a place right
  >nextdoor to "The Underground", which I didn't try out.  I'm sorry, but I
  >can't remember what it was called.  As for Egypt and Turkey, I have never
  >been to either country, so I couldn't tell you where the best places are.
  >Consult a decent guidebook such as the "Lonely Planet" series.
  >
  >Hope this helped,
  >Roger

  The bar/club in Jerusalem that's right above The Underground (which you can't
  miss ... just look for the London Underground sign) is called Q Bar. On a
  recent visit, I went there on a Saturday night.  Just a note: It's a mixed
  (straight + gay) bar.  The atmosphere was fun, and the music was good...
  no 4AD stuff really, but good dance music with some 80's tunes thrown in.
  If you need any more info, email me.

  Tom
  thomulka.worldgroup@notes.compuserve.com

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:39:03 -0500
From: NWND@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: just got back...mojave is good.


listers

      i just got back to my list browsing after a nasty file overload and
cyberenema...it was by no means pretty....needless to say...i spent my
sabatacle (sp) listening to mojave....what a nice record....sounds a lot like
early leonard cohen....only with rachel's backing vocals the musicality isn't
dominated by the folk lyrics as was often the case, and i assume the intention
of leonard cohen.  i'd jump at the chance to see them perform....do they have
plans?....oh and has anyone heard from the rhp/m. kozelek camp...last i heard
was the split w/4AD...the optimist in me is pulling for mark to stick with 23v
for cover art despite ocean beach's lacklustre layout....oh and just to
mention....rhp fans might be interested in checking out mark eitzel's 60 Watt
Silver Lining due out feb 18 (i believe)....no longer polluted by the
moderately successful backings of the american music club, mark's new material
should be as impressive as his earlier live solo shows, which to those of you
who have seen him, are nothing short of divine...a definite for rhp
fans...peace....


bryan mickle
indiana university of pa...pennsylvania's public ivy
english major, starving artist, male prostitute

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:19:24 EST
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: age against the machine

              Michaels/Instnl/VGI 

just when you thought it was safe to get back in the water...
I constantly debate the question (we "older folks" face), am I
simply holding on to what I know because it is comfortable, or is
this stuff I am listening to really a tired rehash of what I
visited 12-15 years ago?  And just because an idea is not "new"
(can anything be "new" at this stage of the evolutionary cycle???)
does that neccessarily discredit the entire product?  My answer is,
NO, but I am certainly nagged by the voice in my head that insists,
hey, so-and-so did that back in 1981.  I do get frustrated by some
people's limited point of reference and urge them to dig backwards,
to 1980, 1970, 1960...  For everything we create and hear now, there
are numerous contributors to thank.

And, as an aside, PLEASE people, be kinder to each other - no need
to "flame" someone because their tastes are less developed or educated
than yours.  What was the first music YOU listened to?  Now there;s a
good line of questioning:  can everyone offer the name of the first
recording they ever bought HONESTLY?  Mine was Atlanta Rhythm Section.
By my senior year in high school, I was listening to Television (still
an all-time favorite band) and you know what I mean...

This space should be used to encourage listening, not insulting,
belittling and alienating people.

Okay, I'm finished.

Gay Church
University of Virginia, Health Sciences Center
lgc2c@virginia.mcc.edu
804-924-2930

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:11:14 -0400
From: Craig Olinsky (crolinsky@VAXSAR.VASSAR.EDU)
Subject: Belly T-Shirt


Does anyone know if those Belly T-Shirts with the logo in Japanese
are still available anywhere?




Craig Olinsky
Cognitive Science Major
Vassar College
crolinsky@vaxsar.vassar.edu




I have been to London one time
I have been to Hong Kong one time
Everywhere in the world is good
But Osaka is the best town...
My favorite town Osaka...

I have been to Tokyo one time
I have been to Nagoya one time
Everwhere in Japan is good
But Osaska is the best town...
My favorite town Osaka

        --Shonen Knife

Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:53:44 EST
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: unsubscribing


sorry list, but i'm unsure about what to do.  i have the faq and even saved
some of the recent posts about unsubscribing.

the problem is that my email address is going to change in a couple of days.
i tried to unsub today and resub with the new address, but it turns out that
my address has already changed and i will stop *receiving* mail at the old
address in a couple of days.  if that doesn't make sense, mail that i send
is referenced to my new address.  thus, the listserver does not match the new
address with the one i originally subscribed and will not let me unsubscribe.
i'm trying to find out if i can generate the unsub command with my old address.
if that doesn't work, the faq says to contact the list owner.  who is the list
owner?

again... i'm sorry to post this here, but i'm trying to avoid future
annoyances for you guys.

thanks,
alan


Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:33:55 -0500
From: anaconda (anaconda@wwa.com)
Subject: Re: Everything's gone green


In article , you wro
>New Order...
>Boy, I wish they would release good records again...

Well, they just may re-package the good ones with a neat cover and
a new song...hehe..they seem to do well at repackaging things these
days :<

bob, anxiously awaiting the arrival of Detroit Electric

--
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Sometimes the sky is full of birds,
       But mostly it is empty..........&att
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:13:10 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: just a couple of thoughts...


        After noticing, more than once, the fact that einexile hates RHP's
_Ocean Beach_, I would like to know what other people think about it. I
remember when it came out last year, it didn't create exactly a stir in
terms of opinions. As for me, it is my favorite 4AD album ever, and
my favorite album of one of my favorite bands, so hasty dismissals such
as those I've heard are disquieting to say the least.
        Let me attempt to describe what Red House Painters, and that album
in particular, mean to me. If there was one theme running throughout RHP's
music, it would be the power of memory. My earliest memories are of when
I lived in Palo Alto, CA; the bay area. RHP, being from the bay area,
somehow summon up those images, simultaneously relating them to every
subsequent event up until now, in the most evocative way imaginable.
When Mark sings "I only got memories I'm still not clear of" in "Red
Carpet", that right there is my LIFE. When I hear "Moments", the affinity
is even greater.
        And then when people come along saying "...worst album since
Ocean Beach", with the implicit assumption that everyone knows what
they're talking about, I'm left saying "what the fuck is that supposed to
mean??"
        I will certainly accept it if not everyone sees the worth in
RHP, but I'd like to at least cast my vote in the opposite direction, and
hopefully we can avoid having the consensus defined by one frequent
poster

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:31:31 -0500
From: anaconda (anaconda@wwa.com)
Subject: Re: Michael Brooks and U. Srinivas


In article , you 
>The Michael Brook / U. Srinivas effort is entitled _Dream_ and it came
>out on Realworld last year (late spring if I remember correctly).  It
>features only four tracks; however each is quite long with the shortest
>being track three "Run".  It is terrific in that they combine the melodic
>elements of Indian music with the contemporary guitar.  East meets west
>so to speak.  If you see it I highly recommend you pick it up.  Currently
>the cd living in my stereo is the Hector Zazou / Harold Budd
>collaboration entitled _Glyph_.  I've only had it a couple of days now
>but it seems to me it is the ultimate in cold weather listening music.

If anyone is interested in this CD, I have a copy I am willing to
trade...

-bob
--
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Sometimes the sky is full of birds,
       But mostly it is empty..........&att
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:24:43 -0600
From: "I love carrots.." (z919758@RICE.FARM.NIU.EDU)
Subject: cd sale (a lot of 4ad +promos, some not)


I am moving in a few weeks, and I need to get rid of some stuff:
(all are on cd)
all prices include postage (us), if you don't like a price, come up with
your own-all of these must find a home.

PLEASE RESPOND TO ME, AND NOT THE LIST  maddrose@niu.edu

4ad
feed the tree   4 trk   uk      cd-5    $5 ppd
gepetto         4 trk   uk      cd-5    $5 ppd
gepetto remix#1 4 trk   uk      cd-5    $5 ppd
gepetto remix#2 4 trk   uk      cd-5    $5 ppd
slow dust       4 trk   uk      cd-5    $5 ppd

cannonball      1 trk   usa     promo  (4ad/elektra)    $3 ppd
"       "       4 trk   usa     cd-5    "       "       $4 ppd

frank black:
los angeles     1 trk   usa     promo  (4ad/elektra)    $3 ppd

heidi berry:
distant thunder 4 trk (2 non lp!)       usa     promo  (4ad)  $5 ppd

delux           3 trk   usa     promo  (4ad/reprise) $4 ppd

pale saints:
throwing back the apple 1 trk   usa     promo  (4ad)    $3 ppd

letter to memphis       1 trk   usa     promo  (4ad/elektra)    $3 ppd
dig for fire            1 trk   usa     promo   "       "       $3 ppd
allison                 1 trk   usa     promo   "       "       $3 ppd
here comes your man     4 trk   usa     cd-5    "       "       $4 ppd
alec eiffel             4 trk   usa     cd-5    "       "       $4 ppd
veloria                 4 trk   usa     cd-5    "       "       $4 ppd

kendra smith:
valley of the morning sun  2 trk   usa   promo  (4ad)   $3 ppd

gentle creatures        album   usa     promo  (4ad)    $7 ppd

throwing muses:
bright yellow gun       1 trk   usa     promo (sire/reprise)    $3 ppd

--------non 4ad---------

cocteau twins:
evangeline      3 trk   uk      cd-5    $4 ppd

smile           album   usa             $6 ppd
nowhere         album   usa             $6 ppd
twisterella     4 trk   usa     cd-5    $4 ppd
vapour trail    4 trk   usa     cd-5    $4 ppd

french disko    2 trk   uk      cd-5    $4 ppd
lo-fi           4 trk   uk      cd-5    $5 ppd
jenny ondioline 1 trk   usa     promo   $3 ppd

stone roses:
elephant stone  4 trk   austria cd-5    $4 ppd
fools gold      3 trk   "       "  "    $4 ppd

sylvian & fripp:
 us promo compilation   15 trk          (make offer)

too pure comp (pop, do we not like that?)    uk     $7 ppd
working holiday                             usa     $7 ppd

**if you don't like a price, make an offer, I need to get rid of all these**

PLEASE REPLY TO ME, NOT THE LIST   maddrose@niu.edu

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:47:37 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Petition to Destroy Lush


on Tue, Jan. 30 Paul Spirito wrote:

> Alternate explanation: you're getting older and lament the lost music
> of your youth. Perhaps some day you can direct a remake of "The Big
> Chill" with a 60s Motown = 80s 4AD map.

I too, think that 4ad used to be much better--and I don't think that
it's because I'm growing old. (I think I'm still a little young for
probably suggest that 4ad started going downhill as early as the mid
80s, but i disagree.  Besides, 1990 seems to have been a good year
with some new signings of high caliber (Pale Saints and especially
His Name Is Alive come to mind).  So why is 4ad going downhill?  That
seems to me a far more interesting question than whether it is,
because I doubt that there are very many people out there who can
safely buy _anything_ they see that comes out on 4ad because they
_know_ it's going to be good, the way I bought Livonia in 1990
(which, BTW, is a fantastic album).
       Someone mentioned that the bands were no longer "trying to be
better", but I don't think that it's the bands' fault--there are good new
bands out there, they just aren't on 4ad very often anymore.  The
fault clearly lies with Ivo and whoever else might be responsible for
new signings.  I didn't buy a new 4ad comp. cd (can't recall the name
of it off hand--but it seemed like a 1995 _Lonely As an Eyesore_) not
only because some of the new artists whom I'd already heard I didn't
like, but even favorites like The Wolfgang Press were represented not
with new songs but just remixes.  Big deal.  It just seems that the
people in charge at 4ad aren't devoting as much attention to the
label as they used to be.
     Or maybe it's just Ivo who's getting old.

Hoping 4ad will lift itself out of this rut,
moran@hal-pc.org


Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:00:31 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Petition to Destroy Lush


I wrote:
>This brings up an interesting point.
>Iam afraid, that to my ears, there is too little to distinguish many current
>4AD bands (Breeders, Lush, Liquorice) from the rest of the pack.  This is not
>to imply that these bands are "bad" (although they might be), just that they
>are not as intriguing to me as some of the 80's 4AD roster.

and then Chris M. responded:

>I totally agree with Martin!  Go on and say it Martin, some of the newer
>4AD bands are bad!  Something happened in the late 80's and I think
>I know what it is.



>The bands were honest, and you could tell every song meant a great deal
>to them.

I didn't mean to imply that I thought this was not true now.  I don't miss
80's 4AD because I long for the days of my youth, I miss it because of the
great music some bands on the label were producing.  There are still many
bands producing great music, they just happen to be on Astralwerks or Too
Pure or Warp or whatever.

>Lets face it, do you really think Lush ever had anything to say that they
>really cared about? No.

I don't think it matters.  I like Lush, but I don't listen to them because
I think they have something important to say.  I listen to them because
they can write great songs.  Not that I like everything Lush does.  I am not
sure how to judge a band's honesty or integrity, and I really don't think
bands on 4AD now have less of either quality than previous bands on the
roster.  I don't like Scheer or the Breeders, but I don't think they are not
being "honest", it's just that the music doesn't move me.

>All the bands that get praise on the list all have this same thread.  I don't
>want some cheese band, I want honesty and sincerity
>in the music.  For the most part, what the band sounds like is irrelevant.

Again, I have to disagree.  To me what the band sounds like is everything.  I
am sure Bruce Springsteen is overflowing with "honesty and sincerity", but I
still don't like his music.  Obviously a band's position on certain issues
affect whether or not I listen to them (if they were racists for example),
but for the most part it's whether a band makes music I like.

Martin
mahoyt@uci.edu

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:22:39 -0600
From: "Michael C. Lawyer" (lawmic@HOMER.ACS.BETHEL.EDU)
Subject: Re: The whole pixies / breeders / belly strain...


I thought They Might Be Giants last tour was in support of Frank Black (although
I don't think he diserved it) but now Joey and David are opening for them,
strange, anybody know the name of the band or tour dates? (pretty pretty please)

Mike
who's trying to learn UNIX and not liking it

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 01:12:53 -0500
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: spoonfed...


In a message dated 96-01-31 15:08:08 EST, you write:

>if anybody has info on how to contact either Perdition Plastics or
>Farrago for getting the ESP stuff can you please post it...
>thanks
>
>

well, Perdition Plastics has not yet released ESP on ANY format ... yet.
even as we speak (well, this weekend actually)  Warren is traveling to
Chicago to discuss the matter with Perdition.  Check back in about 2 months
(according to Davin at Time Stereo)

as for Farrago, one of the farrago people is sub'd to the list... name and
e-mail escapes me... check past posts or maybe he'll reply to this as well.

hope i was of some help.  :/

-blue
blubelknol@aol.com


Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:46:05 -0500
From: Mr Snrub (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan/Lush/band names


>That would be Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn (I'm sure I spelled that all wrong)

just the "Khan" part

>the real big raga fellow.

Actually, he's a real big *qawwali* fellow, which is something different

>> I will co-sign on this.  Lush has should disband.  All albums produced
>> before Spooky (excluding Spooky) was really great.  Spooky and thereafter,
>> forget it.
>
>Well that's certainly kind you you, since there *weren't* any Lush albums
>prior to Spooky.

Is this going to be one of those "Gala's not a real album" things 'a la The
Pink Opaque? You can always tell a band's running out of ideas when they let
the bass player write a song (unless the bass player usually writes some or
all of the songs to begin with.

>how many cheaply
>thrown-together band names there are. For example, Silverchair -- it sounds
>like they just thought, hey that has a cool ring to it (kinda like previous
>band Silverfish, only that's actually a word). There's this onslaught the
>last couple years of bands with totally arbitrary-sounding names with common
>keywords and a lack of imagination.

I think there ought to be a moratorium on bands whose names begin with the
prefix Super-. There's just too many of them: Supergrass, Supersuckers,
Supergarage, Superchunk, etc. Also really uninspired are ones that follow
the pattern "A's B" where A = a person's name and B = a thing or concept,
e.g. Eve's Plum, Eric's Trip (yes, I know that's from a Sonic Youth song,
but as a band name, it sounds dumb), Jane's Addiction. They just make you
think "Who the hell is A and what's so special about his or her B?"

>A few other over-used for group names words:
>
>Twin(s) -- *_Never_ two people!
>House / Haus
>Psychic / Psychick

Try also:
-head
Jesus - anywhere in the name

There are also too many band names ending in -er, such as Swervedriver,
Skyscraper, Dimmer, and Starflyer 59, who are also guilty of being among the
excessive number of bands with numbers in their names (possibly a
post-Galaxie 500 phenomenon).

Yeah, I know - bitch bitch bitch. I'm not saying any of these bands suck,
just that the impact of a name is lessened when the format is so common.

Larry

Madness takes its toll.  Please have exact change.


Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 02:52:31 -0500
From: Svein Berven (svberven@LOGIN.EUNET.NO)
Subject: Re: Other lists..?


In article <4enj6l$ri0@ifi.uio.no> "E. Coli"  writes


>Forgive my extreme and off-topic ignorance, but could someone please hook
>me up with subscribtion info for the Cocteau Twins list that I saw
>mentioned some time ago?

>Also, is there an ambient list or an Orb list?

>Thanks...

>skye

E.Coli  -  some name, how could you ????

Regards,

Svein

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 04:58:00 -0300
From: Walter Reznik (wreznik@COLSCH.EDU.AR)
Subject: Re: Eden Does Not Equal D


4r> And was not the only one to recently make such comments about
4r> Eden.

Are you talking of my comment on my mail of Mephisto Walz? I'll try to
clarify...

4r> I agree that there are similarities between Eden's first album
4r> and a lot of DCD work, although I would argue that Gateway is
4r> more consistently atmospheric throughout. However, I do not
4r> think that Eden's more recent work - "Fire and Rain" and the
4r> versions on "Earthbound" have much to do with DCD at all. So
4r> even if you could consider their early work a "ripoff", i think
4r> they have moved on since then.

I really didn't have a chance of hearing Eden last works (it's hard to
get), but in "Gateway to Mysterius", not only I found the DCD early
style, but also that the voice was pretty similar to Brendan Perry's!
That's not a sin, however. My point was that this kind of groups
often make songs that sound a little "rigid", while DCD never seems
forced. After all, Lisa has grown around medieval music, as far as I
know.
But anyway, I would never doubt about those groups quality of sound. I
wouldn't buy theyr albums, if I do so.

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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 03:37:15 -0600
From: Sung Shim (foss@WWA.COM)
Subject: hnia live tape


     I recieved my hnia/ESP beetles live tape from BlueBelKnol the other
day.  I had never heard any of the ESP stuff and I can't say that I was too
impressed by the ESP Beetles side of the tape.  On the flipside was an intro
by ESP Family, which was indeed noisy, but had a lovely jazzy horn carrying
it.  I can't say that I was too impressed with it either, but it was
somewhat pleasant to listen to.  The His Name is Alive section of the tape
was pure bliss though.  They were arranged as individual songs and frankly
they were all quite beautiful.  The sound quality is good and very
listenable, especially the hnia stuff.
     i have to say that i'm really upset about not getting tix to the hnia
show this sat.  i'll probably go to the place and sit outside, maybe they'll
feel sorry for my freezing butt and let me in .hehe

sung
---
  foss@wwa.com
  http://shoga.wwa.com/~foss/


Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:39:00 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: LUSH


        All of it is great (still withholding judgment on the new stuff, which
I haven't heard).
        This current anti-Lush stream is pure herd mentality.


Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:42:25 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP Summer


>Does anyone have any info on this?  How many were pressed, how hard it is
>to find, what it's worth?  This was posted on the list before, but I
>forgot.(A local store has one for $8, are they nutty or are these things
>being re-released?)

sorry.  should have consolidated.

1,000 were pressed.  it's still not terribly hard to find (being fairly
new).  it's worth whatever someone will pay for it.  $8 is not a terribly
low price (got mine for $6.50).  it's so cheap b/c all copies are new, the
folks at farrago made it that way, etc.  new eps don't usually cost extra
just b/c they're limited.  do you think that when holding our breath
(slowdive) hit the stores it was $55?  at prices like that, they would have
never been as popular (in a listie sort of way) as they are now.  oh, and
it's a us release, which makes it considerably cheaper for us gun-toters.

BiZ


Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:38:18 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: spoonfed...



the esp summer tape can be ordered from:

time stereo
c/o the record collector
28143 w 8 mile rd
livonia, mi 48152

they will also be getting a few copies of esp continent, and the forthcoming
perdition plastics release -- which may have a different title.

>I just got the single from [ian]. The prices for the single (stlg3 UK etc
>are correct) the CD is stlg11 (sorry can't remember the overseas
>prices).
>

which single?  hibernation shock?  or is scary verlaine out on cd5?  prices?
track listing?  review? (please on all of those, of course).

>I think there is an e-mail address on Scary Verlaine which I could
>track down if someone wants it.
>

spoonfed@rawpaw.demon.co.uk i think.

>I general agreement with previous messages the single is better than
>the album which I haven't got used to yet. I really like it but I was
>hoping for more Chris Trout singing!

heathen.

>Richard

BiZ

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:05:22 -0500
From: "J. Orr" (TheJorr@AOL.COM)
Subject: Loving the Lovering


---from Michael C. Lawyer:

> > and David Lovering now plays drums for Cracker.
> > Am I pretty close?
>
> Mostly, actually I believe David Lovering played drums for
> Camper Von Beetoven whith David Lowery of Cracker.

I'm 99% positive that this is not correct, since I'd never heard it mentioned
before.

> I don't think Lovering does any work with the current
> incarnation of Cracker (He's not listed on any of their
> album credits, but they change drummers every three or
> four songs...he might still play with them on occasion

When Cracker (and god, I can't stand them) were on "120 Minutes" to promote
their last album, David Lovering was playing drums behind them.  I'd read
somewhere that he was going to be their permanent drummer, but who knows?
 I'm still getting over the fact that he was playing with Nitzer Ebb...

Oh, and yes, we all now know that New Order originally performed
"Everything's Gone Green".  Please read all of your mail before responding to
simple inquiries.  Maybe someone else already answered the question...twenty
or so friggin' times...

---Jeremy  Your Ad Here 817-222-2697


Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:30:58 -0500
From: "J. Orr" (TheJorr@AOL.COM)
Subject: Some crap while Seam plays in the background


---from Jose A. Garcia etc:

> But for the past albums, I have to say that Spooky IS the
> weakest of them all, while Split IS THEIR BEST ALBUM EVER
> (I just love When I Die and Kiss Chase)!

Um, not to pick a nit or anything...but...aren't these Lush's ONLY two albums
(aside from the currently as-yet-unreleased one)?

---from bruce levenstein:

> just got a copy of Volume 15 with the new cocteau twins
> song on it. all i can say is that i was damned near in
> tears listening to this. i'm talking about tears of joy.

Heeheehee...reminds me of the first time I heard "Frosty" on V5.  Yes, I
actually did cry.  Awwwwwww...

> the song is definitely older style cocteau twins. wall of
> guitars, beautiful vocals & melody, the whole bit. i hope
> the whole new album doesn't sound like this, because it
> would be a giant musical leap backwards, but i wouldn't
> mind a couple of tracks like this.

That certainly sounds like a volatile thread just ready to explode.  As for
me, I would prefer a giant musical leap backwards over, say, a whole album
that sounds like the _Twinlights_ EP.  *shudder*  Just say no!

---from Paul:

> who laments the inadequacy of masturbation.

Since when is masturbation inadequate?  It kept me sane (?) for about a dozen
years.  :G)  Oh well, it's apples and oranges, anyway...

---Jeremy  Today's best quote: "What a
                           chintzy wrath."  (my ex-roommate,
                           Dean Hardin)

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:50:52 -0800
From: Andy the Panda (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Other lists..?


> Other lists..?
>
> E. Coli (n9546853@BEAKER.CC.WWU.EDU)
> Wed, 31 Jan 1996 03:11:12 -0800
>
> Also, is there an ambient list or an Orb list?

there is an ambient list. i don't know the subscription details but the
archives are stored at


and if you dig around there you may turn up the info you need. it's always a
good idea to read archives anyway.

--
andyx (a.dean@uk22p.bull.co.uk)


Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:26:49 -0500
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS2.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: One Lush song does NOT an Elastica make.


i forgot to say that the promo tour will be in april- and since it's only
a promo tour, they won't be playing many cities during that round.  i
don't know the exact cities or dates, but if i do find out soon i'll let
you know.

lorelei


> >i believe the new album will be out on 10th march, or something like
> >that.  then they're touring the uk for a month, then they're doing a
> >promo tour in the US.  yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
>
>
> Yay!!! indeed.  Do you know the dates of this tour?  Particularly in Texas.
> Please post it, anyone?
>
> -zelzah.
>

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:18:16 EDT
From: Christopher A Michaels/Instnl/VGI
Subject: Amps on TV


For those of you interested.....

LATE NIGHT WITH CONAN O'BRIEN, NBC

Mo 2/5  Jean-Claude Van Damme, B.D. Wong, The Amps (R 12/13/95)


Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:37:41 -0800
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: lush war continues unabated


On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Melody Hope Darby wrote:

> Why do I feel like I'm the only person in the whole entire world that loves
> SPOOKY as much as anything else Lush has done (including SPLIT)???

The album is flawed, and I think not noticing why can make listening to
it a worse experience than I might otherwise be.

- Its sound is relentlessly full and there is little in the way of
  subtlety or crispness to break it up, so that one gets a sensation of
  drowning. Tiny Smiles is unbearably cloying and many of the album's
  other songs (including some of Lush's best work) never gives you a
  moment to breathe, so you have this happening on a small scale as well.
  This is all made worse by the uniformity of the vocals, which always
  have that Eye in the Sky sound to them.

- Covert and Ocean are too similar. Given that Covert is a satisfying
  song as it, five more minutes of the same stuff in a package that is
  very plodding does not spice things up, and from there we lead into
  For Love, which is one of Lush's uglier and more predictable songs.
  If Ocean and For Love had been left off of the album I think it would
  be much more enjoyable than it is, if not necessarily much *better*
  since, as you say, it is a great album anyhow--but Split is easily
  superior, with greater variation but none of the clashing that the
  Scar-era-ish Superblast! and Laura inflict on Spooky. And the songs are
  better.

- The album has a very strong opening which leads into one of their best
  songs which varies from the single in a very satisfying way. By
  contrast it ends with the fun but not entirely interesting Laura and
  then a wonderful song which we'd all heard a thousand times by this
  point.

Of course this is all based on my own mileage, but a lot of people have
expressed similar problems with the album for less specific reasons, and
I find that pinpointing exactly what's wrong with a flawed record can
help me better enjoy it for its strengths.


 e


Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:50:56 -0500
From: "J. Orr" (TheJorr@AOL.COM)
Subject: Where is my "Tempean"?


Okay, this may be a topic that was discussed (possibly even to death) while I
was off the list for the latter part of last year, but...

My copy of Seefeel's _Succour_ does list the "untitled" 11th song among the
tracks listed on the inside back cover.  But my CD player only recognizes 10
tracks.  Is it not available on all copies of the CD?  Is there some trick to
accessing it?  Any info about this would be, as always, greatly appreciated.

---Jeremy  When we kiss, it feels like a
                            flying saucer landing.


Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:10:05 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: spoonfed...


>>I just got the single from [ian]. The prices for the single (stlg3 UK etc
>>are correct) the CD is stlg11 (sorry can't remember the overseas
>>prices).
>
>which single?  hibernation shock?  or is scary verlaine out on cd5?  prices?
>track listing?  review? (please on all of those, of course).

"Scary Verlaine" is not out on CD.  Not yet at least.  ;)

Michael and the guys at Rawpawgraphics (they did the sleeve work on the
Spoonfed 7" as well as the ESP Continent CD) just started their home page. Try

   http://www.exweb.com/scuro/rawhome.html

for starters.  It's all under construction, so it's kinda raw [rimshot,
canned laughter], but there are some cool bits of graphics.

   http://www.exweb.com/scuro/tar2.html

Has some info about a forthcoming CD-ROM/CD-PLUS of ESP Summer.

Start salivating, folks.  I know I am.

Cheers,


hk
--
hk kahng | hk@neosoft.com & farrago@delphi.com
         | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm


Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:32:11 -0500
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Slumberland Phone #?


Hi all (I'm back... if anyone cared)

Does someone have the phone number for Slumberland Records? Mike from SR just
called me and said "call me back when you get a chance...", but didn't leave
the number. Hmm... swift. E-mail me privately so as not to offend the tender
and sensitive young listfolk. :)

Back to your regularly scheduled quibbles...
GuerillaG

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:22:55 -0700
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: circling girl


yippee! got to bring home the new volume comp. from the radiostation
where i work today....

the cocteaux track on here is ultra-deluxe cool!  i love it!  if i had to
compare it with anything, i guess i'd say it's a lot like BBK....

"circling girl" starts with a quiet picking then quickly explodes into
song a la the 12" mix of "pearly dewdrops drops"....in fact, one of
robin's li'l tinkery melodies really makes me think of "PDD"....

simon's bass is ever subtle and wonderful, and it sounds like robin still
loves that sparkly strumming style for which he is so famous.

anyway this is a wonderful track....i'm even more excited for the album now.

....must...go...read...german...books...

        .xxx....mark.




Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:11:34 -0500
From: DOTY ELIZABETH E (DOTYEE@DLU.EDU)
Subject: subscribe


Please subscribe me to the 4AD list.  Thank you.
        Dotyee@dlu.edu

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:48:20 -0500
From: Adam J Weitzman (weitzman@INDIVIDUAL.COM)
Subject: Dunno about the new Lush material...


... 'cause I haven't heard it yet.

However, I did hear a good chunk of "Sweetness And Light" in a
Volkswagen ad last night (during Letterman).  I know that this fits
most people's definition of "sell-out," so there's more fuel for your
fire.  :-)
--
Adam J Weitzman ----- Individual, Inc. ----- weitzman@individual.com
"I love the music of the 20th century!" - Bruce Willis, "12 Monkeys"


Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:22:13 -0800
From: "J Beswick (c.l.g.e.)" (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: LUSH


On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Melody Hope Darby wrote:

> Why do I feel like I'm the only person in the whole entire world that loves
> SPOOKY as much as anything else Lush has done (including SPLIT)???

Fear not, you are not alone.  I actually love Spooky MORE than anything
else Lush has done (including Split).  ;)

Strick9

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:45:27 -0800
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: age against the machine (+some quasi-4AD


>What was the first music YOU listened to?  Now there;s a
>good line of questioning:  can everyone offer the name of the first
>recording they ever bought HONESTLY?

The first album I ever bought was Simple Mind's _Once Upon A Time_.  Which
is still great (second only to _Live In The City Of Lights_ which is my
favorite live album by anyone ever).

One of the few non-ashamed first-time music buyers,
Mr. Jake

P.S.  In case anyone is interested, The Mommyheads are playing in SF on
Saturday ( I think they were or are signed to Simple Machines, Jenny
Toomey's label).