Subject: Re: Names Query
Subject: Re: Michael Brooks and U. Srinivas
Subject: Re: The whole pixies / breeders / belly strain...
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice - real answer, not empthy rambling on the name
Subject: Re: Sheer or Sheer Ripoff of The Breeders
Subject: Creation mailorder???
Subject: Re: Lush's Shining Road
Subject: new cocteau twins!
Subject: Re: Lush's Shining Road
Subject: Petition to Destroy Lush
Subject: Music Review 101 Revisited; *YAWN*
Subject: Re: Lush's Shining Road
Subject: Re: Petition to Destroy Lush
Subject: Re: Michael Brooks and U. Srinivas
Subject: hisnameisalive (CHICAGO)
Subject: Re: Lush's Shining Road
Subject: Oopsie!!!
Subject: Re: Lush's Shining Road
Subject: Re: stupid "Liz Fraser is dead" rumours
Subject: LUSH
Subject: Re: One Lush song does NOT an Elastica make.
Subject: Labradford: origin of the name
Subject: Re: Petition to Destroy Lush
Subject: Everything's gone green
Subject: Re: Michael Brooks and U. Srinivas
Subject: Re: The whole pixies / breeders / belly strain...
Subject: Everything's gone green
Subject: Muses in SF
Subject: Re: Everything's gone green
Subject: Re: Everything's gone green
Subject: hisnameisalive
Subject: Re: The whole pixies / breeders / belly strain...
Subject: HNIA Promo - Man on the Silver Mountain
Subject: Re: Labradford: origin of the name
Subject: 4AD website
Subject: Re: The whole pixies / breeders / belly strain...
Subject: Re: spoonfed...
Subject: Re: spoonfed...
Subject: Re: Everything's gone green
Subject: Re: One Lush song does NOT an Elastica make.
Subject: new Cindytalk
Subject: Re: Lush's Shining Road
Subject: Everything's gone green
Subject: Re: Petition to Destroy Lush
Subject: Re: LUSH
Subject: Re: Everything's gone green
Subject: Re: Everything's gone green
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 17:20:03 -0700
Is it the gerund throwing you off? the ambiguity of adjectival assignment?
or the syntactical structures of predicate and object?
Why de-mystify something like a name? And, really, are you just trying
to be clever... its O.K. you can tell us, we're here to listen. But if you're
serious please disregard my surliness.
Thusly, if you are serious, my advice is to attach your own concept-
ualization or personal meaning to these wonderous names--because who wants
to try to see the lion within the jungle when its scarier not to know!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:13:38 -0500
In a message dated 96-01-23 09:30:35 EST, Larry wrote:
>Someone asked earlier about the Michael Brooks collaborative effort with an
>Indian musician. I believe this is the U. Srinivas and Brooks CD entitled
>_Dream_.
I've also heard that he has a release coming out with the guy who just did
that collaboration with eddie vedder (his name fails me right now) any info
on this release?
later,
rod
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:51:03 -0800
At 3:30 PM 1/29/96, Joseph Burns wrote:
> Pixies Throwing Muses
> Frank Black - Kim Deal Tonya - Kristen
> | | | |
> Frank Black breeders more Throwing Muses
> | | |
> stagnation | stagnation
> |
> Tanya leaves
> Kelly Deal joins forms Belly
> | \
> more Breeders \
> | lots of pleaasing things
> Kelly goes to jail for heroin result via belly
>
> |
> |
> Kim forms the Amps
> (but continues doing heroin)
Me thinks you have too much time on your hands...but good flow-chart.
==================================================
Communicating from the corner of 5th and Vermouth
Fred/Derf Collins
(c/o [email protected])
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 18:01:16 -0700
I find it interesting that one lumps Eden in with DCD. They're on Third Mind
and you're added bit about their cultural background make it hard for the compar
son to work. I remember from a Third Mind sampler that their sound wound
up emulating the Cure with its guitar-scape, but had elements of Near Eastern
rhythm (which you have now clarified as Persian).
Actually now that I have sputterd so, I can readily see the comparison,
however, I think that with the info you had, the constant allusion to DCD, did
Eden disservice. Please tell us more about them, with your unique info, than
compare them. Thanks.
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 17:40:39 -0700
Hi new cyber-dork here! Where did you get the scoop on the RHP's? and could
you elaborate on that information for me?
It's interesting how this kind of info travels. I was conversing
with this cat at a party (in Nov. 95) and he said he knew such and such cousin
who in turn knew mwmbers of My Bloody Valentine. He said that they were on the
dole (and that this was typical for the Irish), and that there last noise-
scape that they played in L.A. (show closer) was just plain abusive.
You can probably discern from this quick summary that he was flippant
and a bit pretentious.
Why am
I telling you about this? Sorry just wondering about the validity info. Blah B
ah...
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:12:33 -0500
I know that 4AD has a mail-order service. I was just wondering whether
Creation has one too. I know I really shouldn't support this company in
the least, but what I wish to buy is before they dropped everyone good
and signed Oasis so there.........
thanks
joey
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:47:30 -0500
At some point, today I think, einexile (in a not quite as meek a mood as I've
noticed in a bit) wrote after squashing the new Lush single (both discs) like
a grape:
>I thought someone said Chris Acland wrote a song for one of
>these eps?
>Nope.
Actually, the Acland/Berenyi song is called "Sweetie" and it appears on the
7" clear vinyl version (so you can have "Single Girl" three times in
identical versions even before the album comes out.
I put all 8 different songs onto a cassette and have been forcing myself to
listen to it daily in the car...and although it mortifies me, I'm actually
beginning to like most of them (yes, even pudding...tho I'm still asking
WHY?!?!?!)
Take heart, anyone who's disappointed...remember that "Hypocrite" and "Desire
Lines" were in no way an indicator of the album that followed...
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:30:51 -0500
their name is alive! i just got the new Volume (15) in and it's got a
cocteau twins song called "circling girl". i've only been able to listen
to it twice, but i have a feeling that when the album comes out, there
will be a huge gush of wind from all the sighs (not only in reaction to
the beauty of it all, but from relief). the volume also has songs by mick
harvey, scheer, and a remix of "everything's gone green".
speaking of mick harvey, i found three used birthday party albums
today (prayers on fire, hee haw, and one with a silly picture
on the insert). all this for $13 each. not such a bad day after
all.
ok, i really don't see how scheer is a breeders rip off. and what's all
this talk of "ivo should have changed them more" or something. i was
under the impression that he could spot great bands and let them take
care of the music while he took care of the logistics. at least in an
ideal world. which is one that is quickly being shattered.
your friend, lover, and cold voice of reason,
dave ([email protected])
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 15:35:24 -0500
boy do you wanna write for the NME or something when (if) you grow up?
is such vehement slagging of a band just because what their doing lately
doesn't suit you really neccessary?!
there's nothing wrong with saying you don't like what a band is up to,
but come on nobay wants to listen to a tirade like that. state a few
objective reasons why you don't like it and let others decide for themselves.
I personally hate the marketing/cover art of the singles, but the songs
are interesting... in case you haven't noticed brit-pop in general is
retranslating the whole sappy pop song thing... did you ever wonder if
Lush are really being sincere about how some of the things sound on those
discs?
sarcasm is just lost on some i guess
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:52:53 -0800
On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:
> >> I'm sure as hell not buying the album without
> >> hearing it first. All the way through and some change. How thoroughly
> >> depressing.
> >I absolutely concur. I was so horrified. What a piece of crap.
> I will co-sign on this. Lush has should disband. All albums produced
> before Spooky (excluding Spooky) was really great. Spooky and thereafter,
> forget it.
Well that's certainly kind you you, since there *weren't* any Lush albums
prior to Spooky. :) What have you got against Split? Can anyone seriously
listen to the likes of Light from a Dead Star, Desire Lines, Undertow,
Never-Never, When I Die, etc, and think, "This is utter crap, they should
have broken up after Sweetness and Light!" I boggle at the absurdity of
it.
But then you kind of like Scheer, don't you? hehehe...
e
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 22:08:50 -0800
On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Joseph Burns wrote:
> boy do you wanna write for the NME or something when (if) you grow up?
> is such vehement slagging of a band just because what their doing lately
> doesn't suit you really neccessary?!
Is this list necessary? Let's not do the review-the-review thang again. I
slagged the band's music and made a few speculations about their
character based on the art they produce. This is hardly an unorthodox and
widely frowned upon way of reviewing a record. If you disapprove, fine,
but it's not as if I've broken some Golden Rule and I'm supposed to know
exactly what your peeve is.
> there's nothing wrong with saying you don't like what a band is up to,
> but come on nobay wants to listen to a tirade like that.
I sure would have liked to read a tirade like that before I wasted my $20
on the damned things, and indeed the tirades of others have caused me to
first listen to I would otherwise have mistakenly purchased blind.
> state a few
> objective reasons why you don't like it
Why not just set your objective-o-meter to the limit of your choice and
shut off your computer when it beeps?
> and let others decide for themselves.
Wasn't aware I was in anyone's way. Just for the record, everyone on this
list does have my permission to buy any shitty single that floats his
boat.
> I personally hate the marketing/cover art of the singles, but the songs
> are interesting...
I thought the art was the best thing about the singles. (This is not a
shot. The art is cool.)
> in case you haven't noticed brit-pop in general is
> retranslating the whole sappy pop song thing... did you ever wonder if
> Lush are really being sincere about how some of the things sound on those
> discs?
Do I care? Is this insincerity supposed to throw their music in a whole
new light and render it catchy, beautiful, and otherwise pleasing to the
ear? When I realize that their horrid lyrics are not serious attempts at
gut wrenching poetry, will I then see the genius hidden beneath the
surface?
> sarcasm is just lost on some i guess
Yes, I'm afraid Eric still doesn't like the new Boo Radleys album and the
rest of us still fail to recognize the brilliance of Frank Black's most
recent works. Believe it or not, though, occasionally a person DOES
manage to notice an attempt at humor without actually laughing at it.
e
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 00:41:29 -0800
On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Joseph Burns wrote:
> boy do you wanna write for the NME or something when (if) you grow up?
> is such vehement slagging of a band just because what their doing lately
> doesn't suit you really neccessary?!
>
> there's nothing wrong with saying you don't like what a band is up to,
> but come on nobay wants to listen to a tirade like that. state a few
> objective reasons why you don't like it and let others decide for themselves.
>
> I personally hate the marketing/cover art of the singles, but the songs
> are interesting... in case you haven't noticed brit-pop in general is
> retranslating the whole sappy pop song thing... did you ever wonder if
> Lush are really being sincere about how some of the things sound on those
> discs?
> sarcasm is just lost on some i guess
Funny thing, I was just about to make that point myself. :)
e
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:24:22 +0000
I must be one of the few people who like the new single. OK, its not as
ethereal as their early stuff but its got a dead catchy chorus.
Considering the folk,country and metal stuff that has been put out by
4ad recently its a refreshing change. It could be worse. They could
have gone 'dorky US punk' style that so many bands are copying over
here.
It goes back to that old question of what you listies are seeking from
4ad nowadays. I guess most are harking back to about 87-88 when the CTs
were on the label, plus the pixies were together, and UVS, and there was
even the prospect of a This Mortal Coil release. Times are changing.
'H'y
Me - http://www.york.ac.uk/inst/sei/sei/h.html
Snapper - http://asegweb.ohm.york.ac.uk/tsb/music.html
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 02:10:41 -0800
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:13:59 EST
For anyone who is interested, the location/time of the HNIA concert in
Chicago is the Lunar Cabaret at 2827 N. Lincoln Ave. on Saturday,
February 3. I saw the ad in the Reader (printed last Wednesday and it
read "only 20 tickets left") and needless to say when I called the place,
it was sold out. :-( :-(
If anyone's got an extra ticket they want to sell, PLEASE email me at
[email protected]
I'd love to see HNIA again. :-)
Thanks,
Tom
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 04:05:19 -0600
On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Joseph Burns wrote:
> boy do you wanna write for the NME or something when (if) you grow up?
> is such vehement slagging of a band just because what their doing lately
> doesn't suit you really neccessary?!
Well, that IS in general why bad reviews are written. If you don't like
what an artist is doing, you criticize it and them. Your level of
vehemence depends upon your depth of personal feeling in the matter. By
the way it's "they're" not "their".
>
> there's nothing wrong with saying you don't like what a band is up to,
> but come on nobay wants to listen to a tirade like that. state a few
> objective reasons why you don't like it and let others decide for themselves.
Sorry to pop your cork here, but any statement of opinion is by
definition subjective. You cannot state a personal opinion objectively.
All you can state objectively is a basic known fact, like "Lush is a
band." Once you say "Lush is a great band" or "Lush is a shitty band" the
statement becomes subjective. By the way it's "nobody" not "nobay".
Sorry, but I just have this thing about people knowing what they're
talking about.
>
> I personally hate the marketing/cover art of the singles, but the songs
> are interesting...
Only if you've never heard anything the band has done before.
Subjectively speaking, of course.
> in case you haven't noticed brit-pop in general is
> retranslating the whole sappy pop song thing...
No, I didn't. I just thought a lot of Brit-pop bands were doing sappy pop
songs.
> did you ever wonder if
> Lush are really being sincere about how some of the things sound on those
> discs?
I'm sure they are being sincere, but that doesn't preclude the right of a
listener to like or not like it as he/she sees fit.
> sarcasm is just lost on some i guess
So is the ability to make a coherent point.
Martin, an unrepentant wiseass
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:33:06 -0500
Heyall!
What's more annoying? My posting a bid to the list or wasting even more space
apologizing for it?
Sorry.
Roy
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:24:27 -0600
>there's nothing wrong with saying you don't like what a band is up to,
>but come on nobay wants to listen to a tirade like that. state a few
>objective reasons why you don't like it and let others decide for themselves.
objective reasons you don't like it. . .sounds like an oxymoron to me. . .
BiZ
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 14:55:39 GMT
Larry,
Thanks for understanding.
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:09:00 CST
Why do I feel like I'm the only person in the whole entire world that loves
SPOOKY as much as anything else Lush has done (including SPLIT)???
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:46:16 -0500
i believe the new album will be out on 10th march, or something like
that. then they're touring the uk for a month, then they're doing a
promo tour in the US. yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Micah Newman wrote:
> When does that album come out? Or have I missed everything and
> it's already out??
>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:04:00 CDT
According to Stinkweeds, the band is named after Labradford Smith, a former
Louisville and Washington Bullets basketball player (believe it or not).
Boroda
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:10:13 PST
'H'y wrote:
>It goes back to that old question of what you listies are seeking from
>4ad nowadays. I guess most are harking back to about 87-88 when the CTs
>were on the label, plus the pixies were together, and UVS, and there
>was even the prospect of a This Mortal Coil release. Times are
>changing.
This brings up an interesting point. I will admit that it is primarily the
love of 80's 4AD material which first attracted me to this list. This is not
to say that I don't think *any* music I like is being produced these days, it
is just that for about 10 years or so, 4AD produced music which seemed to be
of a higher standard than the music on most other labels. It amazes me how
many of my favorites are 4AD bands (DCD, CT, HNIA, CoX, Masters-era PS, etc.).
It seems to me that this is a legitamate reason to read this list (I am not
inferring that 'H'y made any claims to the contrary). As cz stated in the
Livonia thread, MbM showed "normalcy" on the part of HNIA. It is precisely
this lack of "normalcy" that attracts me to bands, be they Laika or HNIA. I
am afraid, that to my ears, there is too little to distinguish many current
4AD bands (Breeders, Lush, Liquorice) from the rest of the pack. This is not
to imply that these bands are "bad" (although they might be), just that they
are not as intriguing to me as some of the 80's 4AD roster.
Pardon the babble,
Martin,
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:19:37 -0800
Someone mentioned this song in a post today. I vaguely recall this title.
Something I heard about 10 or so years ago. Anyone care to refresh my memory?
Who is it by?
-nb-
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 14:12:22 -0500
Dont know much about U. Srinivas or eddie (ack) vedder... but are we
=talking about the Michael Brooks lp that was just released called
'Colbalt Blue'? though it seems this disc is a compilation of early
stuff....
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 14:10:32 -0500
actually Joey and David Lovering of former Pixies fame have a new band
together. Sorry I cant suss the name right now but they were touring
supporting They Might Be Giants...
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:19:44 EDT
>Someone mentioned this song in a post today. I vaguely recall this title.
>Something I heard about 10 or so years ago. Anyone care to refresh my memory?
>Who is it by?
>-nb-
New Order, cir 1981?. Originally a Factory 7". The song appeared on two
other Factory ep's, and again on 'Substance 1987'.
One of my all-time favorite songs!
chris m.
><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Oh Martin Hannett! we miss you!
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:17:51 -0800
I haven't seen mention of this so forgive this if this is actually
redundant material but Throwing Muses have been confirmed for two
shows in San Francisco, Feb 18 and 19, unfortunately at Slim's.
This is part of a warm-up tour for _Limbo_ so I'm sure other dates
will be announced (though I got the impression this may be a west
coast event only).
Ed
--
Edward Wakabayashi /\ You've kissed everybody else's
\/ so you can kiss my ass as well
[email protected] /\ -*Her Majesty the Baby*-
[email protected] \/
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:16:07 -0500
New Order
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
''J''O''H''N'''''''R''I''C''K''M''A''N''''''''''''''''''''''''
[email protected]
On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Nadim Baki-Zada wrote:
> Someone mentioned this song in a post today. I vaguely recall this title.
> Something I heard about 10 or so years ago. Anyone care to refresh my memory?
> Who is it by?
>
> -nb-
>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:36:05 -0400
>Someone mentioned this song in a post today. I vaguely recall this title.
>Something I heard about 10 or so years ago. Anyone care to refresh my memory?
>Who is it by?
>
>-nb-
it is a new order tune from the early 80's, found as a single or on the
double album substance
scott anderson
[email protected]
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:02:07 -0600
Does anyone here know if his name is alive will play in texas? if so,
please let me know.
Sorry for the short posting but i have to know.
-zelzah.
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:03:48 -0600
> became Frank Black (Joey Santiago plays guitars on his albums) and David
> Lovering now plays drums for Cracker. Tanya Donnely quit the Breeders
>
> Am I pretty close?
>Mostly, actually I believe David Lovering played drums for Camper Von
Beetoven whith David Lowery of Cracker I don't think Lovering does any
work with the current incarnation of Cracker (He's not listed on any of
their album credits, but they change drummers every three or four songs
he might still play with them on occasion
> Any mistakes are due to my not
being omniscient. Sorry. >
You're forgiven this time, but don't let it happen again!
mike
what goes arround usually get's dizzy and falls over
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:36:00 PST
I have a promo CD from Rykodisc that has Man on the Silver Mountain and 8
other HNIA songs on it. I found it in a used store about two years ago.
Does anyone know how rare or anything else about this disc? The songs on
it are both from Livonia and HIIYH. It is like a mini greatest hits, or
something.
I was just curious about this find.
Thanks
Layne
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:10:11 -0700
Hey! I'm originally from Tucson and occasionally shopped at Stinkweeds
Now I'm in L.A. could you tell me how `weeds is doing!
Brett
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:46:01 -0800
Has anyone tried downloading the soundbytes from the SITE?
What kinda format is that and what applications will run it on a MAC?
Help appreciated
-nb-
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:44:08 -0800
James Campbell wrote:
>In the beginning, there were the Pixies with (of course) Black Francis,
>Kim Deal, Joey Santiago, and David Lovering. There were also the
>Throwing Muses with David Narcizo, Kristen Hersh, and Tanya Donnely. It
Except that you forgot Throwing Muses bassist extraordinaire Leslie
Langston (who later surfaced briefly on The Wolfgang Press' "Queer"
album), it all sounds correct.
>(316) 235-1602 --> Jim's Moose Outlet Hotline
Tell us more... :)
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________________________________________________________________
This segment's question is whether the 7th angle of the diatonic
flange grids should be amended! Blue or amber?
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:14:21 -0500
For the many of you that have asked for mailing/ordering info for Ian
MAsters/Spoonfed Hybrid:
Spoonfed Hybrid
55 Ritherdon Rd
London SW17 8QE
the only price info I have is for a 7" of Scary Verlaine
3lbs UK
3.50 continent
4 US
include postage and packing per copy
if anybody has info on how to contact either Perdition Plastics or
Farrago for getting the ESP stuff can you please post it...
thanks
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:48:45 -0600
ESP is available at Vinyl Ink
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:26:14 -0800
new order.
-c-
It is the Night that solaces
Spirits devoured by the woes of loneliness...
--Charles Baudelaire
On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Nadim Baki-Zada wrote:
> Someone mentioned this song in a post today. I vaguely recall this title.
> Something I heard about 10 or so years ago. Anyone care to refresh my memory?
> Who is it by?
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:37:19 -0600
At 10:46 AM 1/30/96 -0500, you wrote:
>i believe the new album will be out on 10th march, or something like
>that. then they're touring the uk for a month, then they're doing a
>promo tour in the US. yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
Yay!!! indeed. Do you know the dates of this tour? Particularly in Texas.
Please post it, anyone?
-zelzah.
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:37:40 EST
Has anyone heard the new album yet? I saw it in Tower this past
weekend but it was over $20! I want to hear it or at least some
decent reviews about it before I fork out that much money for a
domestic release (at least it's alot of money for a starving
student).
Holly
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:29:35 EST
>Lush are crap.
Couldn't agree more about the ep (except I like Demystification - I remember the
original by Zoundz c. 82 on Rough Trade - they were originally on Crass
Records), but it's their best selling ever in the UK.
The Acland song appears on the b-side of the 7" - don't bother tracking it down
- Dez
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:45:24 -0800
Thanks all for replying. I knew I had that song somewhere. Yes! I love New
Order and happen to have that song on substance as well as some 12" somewhere
in the back of my closet.
Just didn't feel like digging through my (already lousy) memory for where I'd
heard that title before.
-nb-
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:27:25 -0600
OK, its not as
>ethereal as their early stuff
Personal plea:
can we please not use the word "ethereal" again ? :)
thenk u :)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:31:21 -0600
>Why do I feel like I'm the only person in the whole entire world that loves
>SPOOKY as much as anything else Lush has done (including SPLIT)???
>
You are not alone Melody...i listened to it last night...and it is STILL
great! See i can like bands too!
Ernesto