Subject: Re: His Name is Alive, ugh.
Subject: Liz Fraser is dead
Subject: Re: New DCD info?
Subject: Re: chapeterhouse (non 4ad)
Subject: Re: st etienne (non 4ad)
Subject: slowdive bashing
Subject: Re: Re. Baraka and DCD
Subject: selling, unfortunately,
Subject: Re: FS: Cocteaus, Lisa G., Pale Saints, Belly
Subject: Re: His Name is Alive, ugh.
Subject: Re: chapeterhouse (non 4ad)
Subject: Re: Liz Fraser is dead
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice
Subject: Re: chapeterhouse (non 4ad)
Subject: Re: CT
Subject: Re: Re. Baraka and DCD
Subject: Re: Earwig
Subject: Re: CT
Subject: Re: CT
Subject: Re: His Name is Alive, ugh.
Subject: Re: chapeterhouse (non 4ad)
Subject: Re: CT
Subject: Re: Tarnation (was: Re: musings on slowdive lyrics)
Subject: Re: FS: Cocteaus, Lisa G., Pale Saints, Belly
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice
Subject: Re: CT
Subject: Unrest
Subject: Re: (idm) Richard James - Chill out zone - Aphex twin?
Subject: Re: HNIA and Livonia
Subject: HELLO
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice
Subject: Re: chapeterhouse (non 4ad)
Subject: Swallow & Insides
Subject: Re: HNIA and Livonia
Subject: Red Hot: Offbeat Concert and event 2/2/96 in NYC
Subject: lush
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice
Subject: Re: His Name is Alive, ugh.
Subject: Re: Swallow & Insides
Subject: Doom Generation: the movie (and others)
Subject: A whole bunch of stuff, since I've been gone for a month...
Subject: Labradford/Liz Fraser
Subject: xmal hinterland
Subject: Re: Red Hot: Offbeat Concert and event 2/2/96 in NYC
Subject: soul whirling somewhere...
Subject: Re: Swallow & Insides
Subject: Re: His Name is Alive, ugh.
Subject: Re: HNIA and Livonia
Subject: Re: lush
Subject: Tiny sale
Subject: Unrest
Subject: Re: RareX
Subject: Re: Labradford/Liz Fraser
Subject: dead can dance french book
Subject: Re: wrn and en
Subject: Re: Mephisto Walz
Subject: FAQ 1 / *STOP*......... before you buy another over-priced USA
Subject: Kelley Deal's New Band on 4AD????
Subject: 4AD RECORDS WANTED!
Subject: Re: His Name is Alive, ugh.
Subject: Re: spoonfed...
Subject: HNIA to appear in Chicago
Subject: Re: Kelley Deal's New Band on 4AD????
Subject: Re: HNIA to appear in Chicago
Subject: Re: FAQ 1 / *STOP*.........
Subject: Re: HNIA to appear in Chicago
Subject: Axiomesque / Cocteau Twins
Subject: Re: Kelley Deal's New Band on 4AD????
Subject: Re: Kelley Deal's New Band on 4AD????
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 06:51:51 -0600
At 09:14 AM 1/23/96 -0500, you wrote:
>...and Marvyn makes three.
>
>I don't care for HNIA either. I've offered my copy of Livonia up for
>trade/sell several times on this list but had no offers. (none!) That kind of
>sums up to me what the general excitement level surrounding this disc is.
>
>Maybe in discussing Livonia as "noise"; [email protected] is simply stating
>that the CD seems like a bunch of discordant fragments. (That's how I feel
>anyway.) It never really adds up to anything; as many times as I listen to
>it, I still don't "get it".
>
>Actually I purchased it by mistake thinking it was "The Kindness of Strangers"
>in 1991 or sometime around then. See what happens when you grab something by
>looking at the artwork? (which is the best part of the CD)
Hmmm. This is an interesting thread. I, on the other hand, very much enjoy
HNIA. Livonia, however, is my least favorite. Do those of you who dislike
HNIA feel the same way about _Home Is In Your Head_, which is by *far* my
favorite HNIA release? To me HNIYH is nothing short of brilliance.
Chad
"Like a sad hallucination"
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 06:56:59 -0500
>I have been a long time admirer of the Cocteau Twins. Recently, I heard a
>rumor that Elizabeth Frazer of Cocteau Twins passed away. Is this true?
Don't you think the news would have been posted here from the Cocteaus list
or alt.music.4ad, that there would have been a big obituary in NME or MM,
that sort of thing? Recently, I heard a rumour that you were a troll. Is
this true?
>About a year or so ago a friend of ours was watching one of those music
>awards shows (maybe MTV) and one of the announcers dedicated something, or a
>song, to "heaven's newest angel Elisabeth Fraser." What does that mean??
It means it's a dumb and confusing way to describe someone (on a par with
that MTV guy who said the band's music "gets deep into your soul and makes
you think" and you extrapolated too much from it. Perhaps the announcer was
under the impression that the Cocteaus were a new band. Perhaps it was a
completely different Liz Fraser who died. Perhaps this is a waste of time.
Eagerly waiting to see the Abbey Road-style clues on the sleeve of Milk &
Kisses,
Larry
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:57:32 PST
According to the DCD home page (http://www.nets.com/dcd.html, if you're
wondering), LG said the new album would be out in April. "Future Music"
is the name of the mag where the interview appeared, not the album. (Sigh
of relief. One can only wonder what a DCD album called Future Music would
sound like. DCD go techno?)
Martin
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 20:49:18 -0600
as the millenium app=7F=7F=7Froached, the boy in zinc blasphemed our holy le=
ader
thusly
--hi. the other day i saw chapterhouse's blood music again, except it was
--packaged like an ep, had six tracks with funny names, and the entire thing
--was remixed by global communication. blood music was a crap album, imo,
--but the remixes on the original bonus disc weren't bad. question: is thi=
s
--six-song remix album worth it? any g.c. remixes (including reload) i've
--heard have been fab and i was very tempted to buy it. but there was other
--stuff calling my name, so i avoided it -- perhaps temporarily.
--
--thanks,
--
--BiZ
it's amazing. some of g.c.'s best work. also it's way out of print and it's
worth something, but the music on it is spectacular. if you don't run back
tonight and go pick it up, it may be gone and once you hear the cd you'll
want to hit yourself on the head numerous times for not impulse buying.
.joanna.
final verdict: starflyer 59's new one is crap crap crap
---
[email protected] http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~joanna
andover '94
-
'we are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.'
- oscar wilde
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:42:41 -0500
that double disc greatest hits is wonderful! there are really wonderful
things on that second disc with stuff re-done completely differently by
folks such as chemical bros, underworld, weatherall, etc etc... worth
haveing. and the versions of some of the asides are slightly different to
boot.
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 15:02:44 -0800
Brant wrote:
>Speaking of which, I've been meaning to respond to the
>"what was it you liked about Slowdive anyway" query.
>For me, nearly the entire pleasure I got out of their
>songs pre-Pygmalion was first and foremost the guitars.
>The whole big, swirly, shoegazy mess. Morningrise!
>She Calls! That's the sound I loved them dearly for. The vocals were fine,
>but they must have been secondary to me, because Pygmalion
>and the Mojave album don't affect me at all in the same way.
Well those songs you refer to liking (Morningrise, She Calls) I love as
well, but they are from about 6 or so years ago. Times change, and so do
people and their art. It's like expecting the Cocteaus to still be
sounding like they did on Treasure (which I am glad didn't happen, or else
we'd have never seen Love's Easy Tears or Victorialand). As for Slowdive,
I thought the old 'shoegazier' EP's were brilliant, Just For A day is
pretty good, Souvlaki is pure dead brilliant, 5EP is pure dead brilliant,
Pygmalion is pure dead brilliant, and Mojave is brilliant (which also shows
how strong their songs truly are without relying on heavy effects). The
point is that I never hold an artist to having one and only one sound that
they can't stray far from. Great music is great music, and if that entails
a *drastic* sound change from previous releases, I'm that much the happier
for their pointing my mind in a whole new direction!
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:51:00 +0000
I have.
Nick
----------
Date: 26 January 1996 10:40
>Does anyone else have that funny little promo CD of Dead Can Dance's (cat
>no DCD1) with the monkey from Baraka on the cover?
Yes.
Emiel Efdee
the Netherlands, January 26, 1996
... [email protected]
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 21:38:46 -0600
I really hate to do this but I have to sell some of my c.d's due to money
problems. I'm going to put three of them here for bidding because I know
they'll be in good hands. They are three of, what I think, are some of my best.
Well, here goes:
BAUHAUS "in the flat field"
(CAD 13 CD)
made in england
17 tracks.
CLAN OF XYMOX
(CAD 503 CD)
made in france
10 tracks.
LONELY IS AN EYESORE
(CAD 703 CD)
made in england
9 tracks.
The last one makes me hurt, but oh well.... :(
I wish I was kidding about that one.
Well, e-mail me privately.
-zelzah.
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 17:50:34 -0500
I would love to get my hands on the 'Mrs Dolphin' Pale Saints disc!
How Much?
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:38:54 -0500
>
> did anyone out there in the ones and zeros get livonia when it
> was the only hnia mass-release? can you second this?
> -sean
I'm there with you sean! I remember getting that disc when nothing
compared to it even in my darkest dreams. I also remember the days when
they played free shows of it (livonia) around Ann Arbor... those that
braved the experience came back talking about lots of smoke and tribal
dancing...
but hey it was an age of opening doors so to speak.
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:57:22 -0500
well if you hated bloodmusic i dont know if my opinion is gonna matter to
you cuz I didn't think it was so bad... that global com thing is a good
thing if you do the ambient/techno bit. And no it really doesn't sound
anythig like 'blood music' it just samples some of the noises.
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:26:16 -0600
-Eagerly waiting to see the Abbey Road-style clues on the sleeve of Milk &
--Kisses,
--
--Larry
actually there's been some new interpretations on rec.music.beatles about
that whole cover, but the 'paul is dead' contingent still lives (haha) on.
here's a clue for you all
the walrus was paul...
.j.
4ad's resident fab fanatic
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:42:43 GMT
>>Isn't it, ahem, axiomatic that any group named after a scientific
>>principle, axiom, law, experiment, thing etc. is automatically crap.
>>Something to do with an excess of the wrong kind of intellectualism. I'm
>>sure I've seen loads of examples, but right now I can only think of Red
>>Shift.
>What about the Fall, named after Galileo's famous experiment at Pisa?
>Yours,
>Paul
Wasnwere'nt The Fall named after the book by Albert Camus ?
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:31:12 -0500
<<<<
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:09:20 -0500
> that Elizabeth Frazer of Cocteau Twins passed away.
[..rest of post deleted..]
I smell a troll.
marvyn
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:15:51 +0200
>Does anyone else have that funny little promo CD of Dead Can Dance's (cat
>no DCD1) with the monkey from Baraka on the cover?
Yes.
Emiel Efdee
the Netherlands, January 26, 1996
... [email protected]
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:32:48 -0800
> Earwig
>
> Jason Hull ([email protected])
> Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:18:18 -0600
>
> Hoping to generate another discussion on the brilliance of Insides, I
> have recently gotten ahold of two Earwig albums...'Past' and 'Under My
> Skin I Am Laughing'. 'Past' has a date of 1992 on it, and I am
> assuming it is their first release. It's a lot rougher than
> 'Euphoria', and relies more on guitars than drum loops. I think its
> rather good, although I was surprised the first time I listened to it.
> 'Under My Skin...' was released in 1994, a year after 'Euphoria', and
> to which it is very similar.
>
> So, is this all that they have released? There have been several
> discussions about Insides on this list before, but I don't remember
> 'Past' ever being mentioned.
>
> jason
> [email protected]
ok, this'll be short because i'm in a bad mood.
there were 4 earwig eps and an lp. 'past' is compilation of first 3 eps, 4th
ep had 'everyday shines' on it which is the song that gives the lp its
name...
la di bloody da...
--
andyx ([email protected])
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 23:49:38 -0500
>
>If Liz was dead and there would be a 'Cocteau Twins Tribute Concert' (like
>the one they did for the Queen-dude). Who would be on-stage??
Lisa Stansfield??
Jason
[email protected]
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:40:16 +0200
>No. But the rumors about Michael Stipe, Eddie Vedder and Paul McCartney
>being dead are true. We're not sure about the Kurt Cobain rumore, reports
>are still confused and contradictory.
Kurt isn't dead. He lives in Rotterdam and he runs a flower-shop.
I've seen Elvis around too, he's lost a lot of weight.
If Liz was dead and there would be a 'Cocteau Twins Tribute Concert' (like the o
e they did for the Queen-dude). Who would be on-stage??
Emiel
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:36:28 -0700
i very much enjoy hiiyh, but i bought livonia when it came out.(i grew up
in livonia(superfun) and the tape store i went to get it at charged me
close to 20$!) i think that since hiiyh was not even an option at the
time and livonia was so different from everything i was being bombarded
with that it made quite an impression on me. maybe i am being too
nostalgic.
did anyone out there in the ones and zeros get livonia when it
was the only hnia mass-release? can you second this?
-sean
-united states passport.
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 23:49:40 -0500
> Is all of Global Communication's stuff as good as Pentamorous
>Metemorphisis?
>I really liked this. What other of their stuff exists and is worth buying?
Jason
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 22:34:35 -0800
On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, Peter Wang wrote:
> I have been a long time admirer of the Cocteau Twins. Recently, I heard a
> rumor that Elizabeth Frazer of Cocteau Twins passed away. Is this true?
> About a year or so ago a friend of ours was watching one of those music
> awards shows (maybe MTV) and one of the announcers dedicated something, or a
> song, to "heaven's newest angel Elisabeth Fraser." What does that mean??
A sad chapter in 4AD-L's history, indeed. Liz was accidentally shot by a
drunk hunter who had mistaken her for an Oomingmak shortly after the
Twins' Heaven or Las Vegas tour. Her death rather hindered the recording
process of their following release, Four-Calendar Cafe, which took quite
a while to be released. This is also why Milk & Kisses has been delayed
so much.
spw
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 23:49:31 -0500
>I could find out for you einexile since a friend of my had dinner with her
>and Mark Eitzel yesterday. But you must ask first your LORD and Master...,
>te, he, he. S.F. is the greatest....
...or, for the rest of us who are *very* curious.
Mark Eitzel lyrics and Paula Frazer vox, hmm...
Jason
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:16:12 -0500
In a message dated 96-01-25 06:38:13 EST, you write:
>>>Lisa Germano "on the way down from the moon palace"
>
>How much you asking for this one?
>
>
the current high bid is $12
thanks.
Jeff
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:41:32 GMT
On Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:35:56 GMT, Simon wrote:
>Isn't it, ahem, axiomatic that any group named after a scientific
>principle, axiom, law, experiment, thing etc. is automatically crap.
>Something to do with an excess of the wrong kind of intellectualism. I'm
>sure I've seen loads of examples, but right now I can only think of Red
>Shift.
What about the Fall, named after Galileo's famous experiment at Pisa?
Yours,
Paul
The final elegance, not to console
Nor sanctify, but plainly to propound.
� Wallace Stevens, "Notes Toward a Supreme Fiction"
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 22:28:19 PST
>A sad chapter in 4AD-L's history, indeed. Liz was accidentally shot by a
>drunk hunter who had mistaken her for an Oomingmak shortly after the
>Twins' Heaven or Las Vegas tour. Her death rather hindered the recording
>process of their following release, Four-Calendar Cafe, which took quite
>a while to be released. This is also why Milk & Kisses has been delayed
>so much.
Sorry, the above is not 100% accurate. Although the Oomingmak incident
did occur, Liz was not killed, she merely went into a coma for three months.
The tragic part of the whole saga is her loss of vocal chords since the
accident. Fortunately Robin (with his knackers in a vice) has filled in nicely
on the recent Twinlights and Otherness EPs.
Chris
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 06:07:51 UT
I just subscribed to this group and I want to ask something I really wanted to
know for a long time. The question is... is the producer of the Unrest's
"Perfect Teeth" is that same person who is the frontman of the famous group
Duran Duran? I just wondered it because the producer's name is Simon Le Bon. I
wish somebody to tell me the answer. And sorry, if this was a stupid question.
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:48:20 -0800
Someone want to make me a tape? :)
e
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 20:47:58 +0000
At 08:30 23/01/96 +0100, you wrote:
>I've noted that the title music to MTV Europe's Chill out zone is by
>Richard James. Is this the same Richard James as Aphex twin etc.?
Yes.
Not alot of people know that.
g.
g The WARP Web Site
3 0 3 http://www.inta.net/~g303/warp/
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 23:42:36 -0600
Livonia remains my favorite of HNIA's albums: it is their most
idiosyncratic and the still reminds me of long nights in dark rooms
waiting for tabs o' acid to clear out. Otherworldly chirps, tribal
candances, and guitar sheets loop in and out of arctic madrigal like
vocals. Pretentious, but in an original direction. It's the
hallucinogenic one.
Home is in Your Head captures the remorse and resentment (and the
self-loathing for feeling these) of a lost relationship, and lost time.
Slow, treated accoustics, and gaping empty spaces. It's the spooky one.
King of Sweet, largely remixes from the Home is in Your Head area, is a
mix of pistakes and reverbed out varients on HIIYH pieces. It's the
completest fetish disjointed one.
The Dirteaters EP is eponymous work of a conventional all-femme noise
band which resembles early HNIA in the lyrical content and sing songy
vocal rhythms. It came with the domestic HIIYH CD, but I rarely listen
to it. Earlier HNIA is inspired, this is pastiche with self-parodic
vocal overlays. It's the disappointing one.
Mouth by Mouth alternates atmospheric sound contructs as from their HIIYH
days with the noise pop of the Dirteaters. My feelings about it are
mixed in the same proportion. I'm bewildered why others consider it
their "best" work, or that the concessions to pop convention are
considered progress. Then again, there are those who think CT peaked
with Heaven or Las Vegas. There's no accounting for taste.
(And there ain't no justice.) Spieling for kicks... Darryl
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:22:00 +0100
HELLO TO EVERYBODY
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 21:46:29 -0800
Simon Hughes responds:
>Can I restrict my theory to groups named after
>mathematical principles, axioms, laws etc?
How about the Multiplication Rock series of cartoons/songs that were a
vital part of growing up for all American Gen-X'ers? Tell me that "Little
Twelvetoes" or "My Hero Zero" (or that one about number 9 whose title I
forget) weren't cool. (Hey, isn't there supposed to be a Schoolhouse Rock
tribute album?)
>Ha, maybe you're right, but I don't see any marrying of scientific and
>musical principles to produce great music.
Not exactly, though many scientists (and particularly mathematicians) are
good musicians, and music theory is extremely mathematical. And
engineering advances like the pianoforte, amplification, tape recording,
overdubbing, effects boxes, the TB-303 synthesizer, etc. have all
inspired great music through a collaborative process with great musicians.
>Jens, you me and C.P. Snow might bemoan the existence of two
>cultures but you're surely not suggesting that science has much of a role
>in the creation of great music, are you?
What I was objecting to was the assumption that scientific/ mathematical/
technical ideas were not worthy of inspiring good music, unlike squishier
ideas from the humanities -- e.g. that a band naming themselves after a
Wallace Stevens poem are cool, whereas one naming themselves after a
theorem from group theory aren't. An unfortunate prejudice that I think
is actually lessening with the growing hipness of the Net, fractals,
chaos, et cetera. Fractal geometry, at least as cool art, is certainly an
integral part of the rave & ambient scene. And historically, the old
scientist/nerd image was a great influence on Kraftwerk and Devo!
I have to admit that part of my outrage is because I've long had a dream
that if I ever started a band (ha!) I'd name it Venus By Radar, which was
the title of a planetary science symposium at Caltech back when I was an
undergrad.
__________
Jens Alfke __________________ _________________________
[email protected] http://www.inow.com/~jens
________________________________________________________________
This segment's question is whether the 7th angle of the diatonic
flange grids should be amended! Blue or amber?
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 21:19:49 -0800
> Labradford (who appear to have named themselves after a scientific
> instrument
> company, unless the cover picture of their 1st LP is
> faked.)
I think this is a play on the album title - "Prazision" which may mean
precision as in the instrument shown on the cover. I think the
instrument measureing the bearing is some kind of vernier caliper.
Brett
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:25:33 EST
> Is all of Global Communication's stuff as good as Pentamorous
>Metemorphisis?
>I really liked this. What other of their stuff exists and is worth buying?
In addition to Pentamerous Metamorphosis, I also own G.C.'s "76:14" and
Reload's "A Collection of Short Stories". 76:14 is very similar to Pent.
Met. -- although it does have a few slow places. If you like Pent. Met.,
you should definitely look in 76:14. Reload is a more dancy/techno side of
G.C. Short Stories is an excellent buy, although I believe that it's now
out of print and therefore difficult to buy. You really can't go wrong w/
either album.
Lawren
[email protected]
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 02:08:36 -0600
I just noticed in the mail order catalog that there=B4s a Swallow release
called 'Blowback'. What=B4s on it?
Also, can someone give a (objective) review on Insides=B4 'Euphoria' &
'Clearskin' =B4cause I may buy them.
Thanks
Pepe
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 03:17:39 -0600
as the millenium app=7F=7F=7Froached, Darryl blasphemed our holy leader thus=
--Livonia remains my favorite of HNIA's albums: it is their most
--idiosyncratic and the still reminds me of long nights in dark rooms
--waiting for tabs o' acid to clear out. Otherworldly chirps, tribal
--candances, and guitar sheets loop in and out of arctic madrigal like
--vocals. Pretentious, but in an original direction. It's the
--hallucinogenic one.
--
--Home is in Your Head captures the remorse and resentment (and the
--self-loathing for feeling these) of a lost relationship, and lost time.
--Slow, treated accoustics, and gaping empty spaces. It's the spooky one.
--
nah, you can't get much more hallucinogenic, acid-wise, than track 5 on
hiiyh. i love that cd, but besides that track it is definitely NOT
recommended listening under the influence of 'the dreaded lysergic(sp?)'
unless you are a very stable and happy person. but even then you might
freak out anyway.
.j.
---
[email protected] http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~joanna
andover '94
-
the store sold out of my kind of .sigs.
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:59:03 -0500
[email protected]
[Sorry for the cross-post, but this looks like one hell of a
show, bringing together different kinds of new musics in one night.]
Hey - check the Voice for a show called "Offbeat" next friday at
Westbeth Theater in NYC.
Looks like DJ Krush, DJ Spooky, Skylab will be preforming along
with Moby, David Byrne, Laika, Meat Beat Manifesto, Tortise, EBN,
MY BLOODY VALENTINE?????, etc etc! It's a long show - from 8:30pm -
Looks like tickets ($12) have to purchased at the Whitney Museum,
Mondo Kims, Other Music, Rebel Rebel or Vinyl Mania.
There's also an info-line, 631-1065. However, this is not much
info about which bands will be LIVE and which will be "virtual."
Anyone know anymore about this event?
It's sponsored by the Red Hot, which is putting an album out of
these people called Offbeat and its celebrating the Whitney
Museum's exhibit on beat-culture.
/Michael
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:07:04 -0500
i haven't been on the list in a while so forgive me if asking this is
dumb- was anyone at the lush show in weybridge on the 10th? or any of
the lush shows of that tour? and what are people's opinions of the new
album/single?
curious to know...then i'll write my lush essays for all afterwards
lorraine
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 21:27:44 GMT
On Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:48:10 GMT, Simon wrote:
Jens, you me and C.P. Snow might bemoan the existence of two
>cultures but you're surely not suggesting that science has much of a role
>in the creation of great music, are you?
It depends on what you mean by science. Taken broadly, all artists
(except the purest punks) are scientists, since they make a rational
study of their instrument, composition, lyric writing etc. Of course,
intuition plays an even bigger role than intellect as there are no
art-making algorithms that can touch the ones we're born with, but the
intellectual side is still important: there's a strong artisan aspect
to good art.
Taken narrowly, they're two different things, of course, but artists
can find inspiration in science, as in anything. Perhaps the biggest
influence is indirect: it's difficult to imagine the art of the
twentieth century having been made without the scientific advances of
the nineteenth and twentieth centuries; not just because of the impact
of technology on the world (which is one indirect route) but because
of the impact of science on philosophy and thence to art. Borges would
be a good example of a scientifically aware philosopher-artist. The
quote in my sig also seems in part scientifically inspired.
Paul
The final elegance, not to console
Nor sanctify, but plainly to propound.
� Wallace Stevens, "Notes Toward a Supreme Fiction"
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:39:28 PST
sean writes:
>i very much enjoy hiiyh, but i bought livonia when it came out.(i grew up
>in livonia(superfun) and the tape store i went to get it at charged me
>close to 20$!) i think that since hiiyh was not even an option at the
>time and livonia was so different from everything i was being bombarded
>with that it made quite an impression on me. maybe i am being too
>nostalgic.
did anyone out there in the ones and zeros get livonia when it
>was the only hnia mass-release? can you second this?
I bought Livonia when it was first released, spite of the fact that it was
an import (here in the U.S. anyway) and I had never heard of the band,
for two reasons: a) it was on 4AD, and at the time (1990), I had rarely been
disappointed by the label; and b) the cover was really nice.
I thought it was (and still is) a very good album. I can see someone hearing
Livonia for the first time thinking it was just "noise", but upon repeated
listening, the melodies, repeated phrases (in the musical sense) and the
structure becomes clearer. Someone earlier mentioned that Livonia is an
album you *have* to listen carefully to in order to appreciate. I would
agree with that assessment. Warren's attention to details makes Livonia, in
a way, the antithesis of Eno's ambient music (Music for Airports, for example).
because it demands you focus on the music.
I would agree with the consensus, that HIIYH is HNIA's best work, but I think
I would place Livonia second (of the 4AD albums, I haven't heard KoS). Mouth
by Mouth is really good as well, but the more "rock" approach to some of the
songs does not make it as interesting (to me) as the earlier material.
While we're on the subject of Livonia, is the bonus track on the U.S. version
good enough to make it worth buying the whole album again?
Martin
[email protected]
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:49:45 +0800
> I just noticed in the mail order catalog that there=B4s a Swallow release
> called 'Blowback'. What=B4s on it?
It's actually a 4AD temporary release with remixes of songs by=20
Swallow previously released in 'Blow'.=20
Here's the track listing...
=091. Oceans and Blue Skies
=092. Head In A Cave
=093. Tastes Like Honey (instrumental)
=094. Peekaboo (dub)
=095. Sugar Your Mind
=096. Follow Me Down (excerpt)
=097. Mensurrai (instrumental)
=098. Cherry Stars Collide (instrumental)
-mel-
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:22:42 +0200
Yesterday I saw 'The Doom Generation' at the big filmfestival over here. A=
bit strange but a lot of fun. In one scene some psychopath says to the=
girl, who he believes was his former girlfriend: "oh my pearly-dewdrops'=
drops" and then his arm is shot off... Sometime later the same girl is in a=
record store holding a copy of the 4 CD This Mortal Coil box, looking at=
the booklet and saying something like "I do miss my record collection" and=
in this record store they play an old song from Belly. At the end of the=
movie another nazi-psychopath is screaming "(...) this mortal coil (...)!"=
before he cuts off the penis from another guy (a lot of blood). So the=
director must like 4AD a lot. Is he on this list?
Didn't hear much of the soundtrack in the film, always at a very low volume=
in the background.
Another movie I saw: 'Leaving Las Vegas' (with Nicolas Cage and Eilsabeth=
Shue - she was in the audience) Go see it! It's great! You should also see:=
'Ulysses' Gaze (with Harvey Keitel), 'Kids' (by Larry Clark), 'Flirt' (by=
Hal Hartley), 'United Trash (tasteless), 'Blue In The Face' (by Wayne -=
Smoke - Wang) and ofcourse 'Dead Man' (by Jim Jarmusch, with Johnny Depp).=
But there are a lot more...
Emiel Efdee
the Netherlands, January 27, 1996
... [email protected]
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 18:34:54 -0500
First, a favor. Could someone please forward the 4AD daily digest for 21-22
January 1996? It was lost completely during downloading. Thanks.
Second, there was some discussion about different versions of the "Lilliput"
t-shirt. I have both, and the only difference I've noticed is that on the
mail order version, the 4AD logo is printed only once (in blue), whereas the
"Lilliput" version has it printed twice (in blue and in orange). Has anyone
out there noticed other differences?
Third, about the RHP rumors -- might I suggest we take anything we read here
with a grain of salt? I don't mean to disparage the veracity of the
original post (which may indeed be totally accurate). What I'm saying is
that the internet is an ever expanding source of information,
misinformation, _and_ disinformation. Moreover, it's becoming harder and
harder to tell which is which. The relatively unclear applicability of
libel and slander laws (at least in comparison with the established print
media) means that internet info should be read even more skeptically than,
say, the New York Times. Don't believe everything you read! That said,
please don't hesitate to forward any interesting rumors you hear!
Fourth, about the "decline" of 4AD and all the "shitty" bands it's been
signing lately...oh never mind! But I do want to say that _I_think_
(meaning that this is _my_opinion_) TARNATION is the best group 4AD has
signed since HIS NAME IS ALIVE. If you don't have a deep and abiding hatred
of everything that is country (i.e., you can dig Patsy Cline, Uncle Tupelo,
Gram Parsons, etc.) you might want to check them out.
Finally, an non-4AD question. I heard a rumor (on the radio) that THE BLUE
NILE will be releasing a new album soon. Can anyone confirm or disconfirm
this? See, rumor-mongering _and_ skepticism in action!
-- Jeff
Jeffrey T. Gayton
[email protected]
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:21:21 -0500
>I think this is a play on the album title - "Prazision" which may mean
>precision as in the instrument shown on the cover.
Yes indeed. Pra"zision is German for "precision".
>Her death rather hindered the recording
>process of their following release, Four-Calendar Cafe, which took quite
>a while to be released. This is also why Milk & Kisses has been delayed
>so much.
Yes - using the vocal tracks on hand, they've had to resort to the technique
of "necrophonics" as used recently by the remaining Beatles, Queen, etc.
>I heard the mistaken rumor of Ms. Fraser's passing over a year ago, just
>after the release of Four Calender Cafe.
If you knew it was a mistaken rumour over a year ago, why are you still
bothering people with it? If you'd heard it over a year ago, wouldn't you
expect *some* kind of confirmation or denial by now?
>This "troll" has
>been too busy lately investigating the wider world beyond 4AD -- Dorado,
>Warp, Bellissima, Talkin' Loud, Nu Breed, etc.
Oh, I get it. I'm supposed to say "gosh, you're so broad-minded when it
comes to music" as if I'm some sort of cloistered freak who only listens to
4ad. For the record, I bought only one 4ad release this past year. Don't you
realise that if Liz Fraser really did die, the news would be all over the
place and there would be widespread discussion, not just on this list?
>I also do not read NME or MM on a regular basis -- so feel free to fault me
>for that!!
No, actually that would be an admirable quality. I, on the other hand, can't
help picking one up whenever I see one, in the vain hope that there might be
something interesting in there. I only mentioned them since a Liz Fraser
obit would definitely appear there, and in Option, possibly in Spin,
probably not Rolling Stone, etc.
>Sorry to be the instigator of your whiplash sarcasm, but as I understand it,
>this list is for information exchange and not smart-ass responses.
And as I understand it, "information exchange" does not include posting
mistaken rumours that you know to be false like some kind of clueless schlepper.
Larry
"If funny looks don't get you down/You could get on in this town"
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:58:02 -0500
what
the hell
ever happened to
xmal deutshland ? did they
go on to make house music like
xymox? does anyone want to unload any
of their ep's that weren't released on 4ad?
specifically the one that isn't black and has a song
called autumn on it...i'm uncertain of the ep title and
what label it's on. forgive me.
does anyone listen to mephisto
waltz here? i've only heard the album
with "al en asch" on it. thalia, i think it is....
any recommendations? i know a store that has a few of
their albums, so i want to know which to buy. as if i had
any cuh-cash.
cha-chump,
dave ([email protected])
" "---charlie chaplin
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 16:33:54 GMT
Will someone be kind enough to send me the 411 on this "Offbeat Concert and
event 2/2/96 in NYC"....
much appreciated.
peace & dub
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:48:47 -0600
hello all...
awhile ago, someone(i forget who) mentioned the new release from
soul whirling somewhere, "everyone will eventually leave you." i
loved the first album and i want to get the new one. if someone could
mail me a review or a couple comments, i'd be grateful.
thanks...
jason
[email protected]
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:58:35 -0500
'Blowback' is a good thing and you should snap it up if you have the
chance... its kinda limitied. Its another 'version' of 'blow' but its
very different. Some of it is just indulgent studio fiddle faddle, but if
you like swallows indulgence already then you'll like this one too.
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:05:45 -0500
all this talk of Warren/HNIA... has anybody heard any more definate info
about Warren's collaboration with Ian Masters of Pale Saints/Spoonfed Hybrid?
Its supposedly called ESP/Dolphins or something to that effect...
actually anybody have access to Spoonfed Hybrid's latter two eps?
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:51:10 -0500
> The Dirteaters EP is eponymous work of a conventional all-femme noise
> band which resembles early HNIA in the lyrical content and sing songy
> vocal rhythms. Earlier HNIA is inspired, this is pastiche with
self-parodic > vocal overlays. It's the disappointing one. >
I have to disagree there... i think its a gem of sorts... that last track
that just sorta stops when you start to love it... genius!
> Mouth by Mouth alternates atmospheric sound contructs as from their HIIYH
> days with the noise pop of the Dirteaters. My feelings about it are
> mixed in the same proportion. I'm bewildered why others consider it
> their "best" work, or that the concessions to pop convention are
> considered progress. Then again, there are those who think CT peaked
> with Heaven or Las Vegas. There's no accounting for taste.
there is an inbetween space between the dionysian and the apollonian. It
is often interesting to indulge completely in either, however the mark of
true genius is to be able to walk that tight rope from which you can
glimpse the chasms of chaos as well as the ordered orchards of elysium.
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:02:50 -0500
my jury's still out on the new Lush singles. The A-side is fair so
far... clever little bits of pop-ism-sarcasm... and i like the lyrics...
though I'm not sure it really gells as a song tight enough. There are
some interesting b-sides...
I guess my disappointment so far is that I really liked the 'tight'
songwriting on 'split'... god that adjective seems so lame... I don't
know 'Split' was such a triumphant return for them from the mostly weak
'spooky'... so I'm still wondering where they think they're headed...
they're definately still going for more of a pop song than the
atmospheric bit...
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:56:22 PST
Hello all. I've got the limited special edition of Throwing
Muses' _University_, and Spacemen 3 _Singles_ (which includes the 3-
track _Walkin' with Jesus_, _Transparent Radiation EP_, and 3 more
tracks for _Take me to the Other Side_, for a total of 11 tracks and
play time of 79:58.).
For sale or trade; please e-mail me privately to bid or get a
list of stuff I'm looking to trade. Thank-you.
brian
[email protected]
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:48:22 CST
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:25:12 -0500
Yes, I too would like to know how to get ahold of rareTwo! (glares at Lars)
marvynHortman ftp://sharedcast.hccs.cc.tx.us
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:12:06 GMT
>And as I understand it, "information exchange" does not include posting
>mistaken rumours that you know to be false like some kind of clueless
schlepper.
Yes indeed!! To be honest, I only posted the rumor to instigate entertaining
reactions such as yours.
peter
"If funny looks don't get you down/You could get on in this town"
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:27:15 -0500
well i sent email to my friend in paris and he mailed me a copy of "la mort
peut danseur" by jean-marc ligny, the book "based" on the music of dead can
dance
it seems to be a fantasy theme taking place in ireland in 1181 during the
norman invasion.. there are four parts to the book each named after one of
the first 4 dcd albums, and all the chapters are named after dcd songs. there
is a brief letter from mrs. lisa gerrard (tuschewski) in the front
"one of the most important compliments to a person and his work is to inspire
another man's work"
lots of quotes from dead can dance songs throughout.
will let you all know what it is really about once i learn french and read
the thing.
todd sanders
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:01:50 CST
>all this talk of Warren/HNIA... has anybody heard any more definate info
>about Warren's collaboration with Ian Masters of Pale Saints/Spoonfed Hybrid?
>
yes.
>Its supposedly called ESP/Dolphins or something to that effect...
esp dolphins/esp summer/esp continent. . .it's all the same. . .
they have a cassette only release on time stereo -- a tape only label run
out of the record collector record shop in livonia. a cd version of the
tape, esp continent, was recently released in france, and is reportedly
available for $20 (cash or money order). a 10" was released on farrago
records out of (austin?), texas. i'm sure you'll here from hk on that one.
a mono 7" was planned for release on perdition plastics, but that was
shelved. perdition is reportedly releasing a cd of the tape (don't know if
it'll be the same as the tape or w/ remixes) sometime in the future. i have
the tape and the 10" (will have the cd soon -- hopefully), and both are
excellent.
ian also appears on "cooper time," another time stereo release. some sort
of tribute to alice cooper (he's under the name "united friendly," and no, i
don't know what song he sings).
i don't have any ordering info with me, but if anyone wants more info,
e-mail me privately. it's been discussed here b4.
>
>actually anybody have access to Spoonfed Hybrid's latter two eps?
two? i knew of the scary verlaine ep, but if there's another one out after
(or before) that one, i'd sure like to know what it is. . .a month or two
ago, there was the possibility of farrago getting a few for u.s.
distribution. you can also get stuff through ian, though i haven't tried,
yet.
das'all,
BiZ
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 19:41:00 -0300
4r> does anyone listen to mephisto waltz here? i've only heard the
4r> album with "al en asch" on it. thalia, i think it is. any
4r> recommendations? i know a store that has a few of their albums,
4r> so i want to know which to buy. as if i had any cuh-cash. cha-
4r> chump, dave ([email protected]) " "---charlie chaplin
Well, you could try with "Terra Regina". You can find nice sounds,
even if it's a little exagerated here and there. This group
falls into my category of "DCD wants to be", which is not a bad thing.
I put them along with the australians Eden or Ordo Equitum Solis. They
all sound well, but they lack the "naturallity" DCD has.
I mean, when I hear a song like Summoning of the muse, I never
feel like Lisa is doing a teathrical-medieval-gothic stuff. She just
sings in a so honest and pure way, you'd never say she's pretending.
On ther other side, if you read a Mephisto Walz lyric like
O'Protecteur
We're so alike but too dark in heart
O'Protecteur
We're so alike but still apart
...you'll understand what I mean. If you can live with this, then this=
is
a good record.
Walter
[email protected]
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:10:26 -0800
I was just wondering if Kelley's new band Solid State is going to be
released on 4AD. Does anyone have more information about it, too????
Matt ([email protected])
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:08:23 -0800
Hi. I wanted to know if anyone had any records that I've been looking
for. The records are:
1.Throwing Muses - "Chains Changed" EP
2.Esp Summer/Continent - Anything
3.Various Artists - "87" Compilation w/ 5 EP's on it on 4AD
4.Any His Name Is Alive Tapes
I can trade or buy. In return i have lots of 4AD stuff and tons of
non-4AD stuff. Also, how rare is the Lush "Scar" EP because I bought it
in Mint condition used and its so beautiful, but I never have heard of it
besides actually hearing it on "Gala". Were there only a few copies
made?? You can send inquiries to: [email protected]
thanks,
matt
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:19:12 -0500
>all this talk of Warren/HNIA... has anybody heard any more definate info
>about Warren's collaboration with Ian Masters of Pale Saints/Spoonfed
Hybrid?
>
>Its supposedly called ESP/Dolphins or something to that effect...
>
>
actually, it's entitled ESP-Summer and they have already put a 10" out on
Farrago Records (who is also on the list.. but can't remember the e-mail
address) When I ordered my 10" from Farrago, they had mentioned that they
had limited quantities on hand left, but if you do have a hard time finding
it, I know where there are 2 for sale at $8.99 each.
truely amazing...
on another note regarding ESP-Beetle's release of "ESP-Continent"... Davin
at time stereo said today that the Perdition Plastics edition is due for
release in about 2 months. Warren will be heading to Chicago next weekend to
make arrangements with the fellows at Perdition and to also put on a show
(see next post/thread/message/..whatever)
-blue
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 19:04:08 -0500
as far as I know there's a 'hibernation' ep and a seven inch with 'scary
verlains' and 'the sun always changes my mind'....
what is on the 'scary verlaine' ep?
i have corresponded w/ ian and have ordering info if anybody wants it.
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:19:20 -0500
While speaking to Davin today at Time Stereo, we got to talking about the
ESP-Beetles "ESP-Continent" release over in France. He said they at Time
Stereo (based at The Record Collector in Livonia) had requested a few from
Karina Square and have yet to receive them... all he had seen of them was a
fax of the cover which he said was quite different than what he had expected.
He then said that Warren was heading down to Chicago next weekend to speak
with the people at Perdition (re the domestic release) and to put on a
hisnameisalive show while there (since that is also where Karin is living).
Unfortunately, Davin could not remember the name of the place, only that it
is next weekend (late notice again!) at a coffeehouse that seats only about
50 people or so and that it was already sold out.... hmmm. Anyway, I'm sure
some of our Chicago-based listies could sneak in and confirm what I've been
telling them all along about the new stuff from Warren & co... simply
brilliant!!!
just a friendly reminder: (sales plug) i have a copy of the show hnia
performed a few days before x-mas on tape... any interested parties please
respond (as always) PRIVATE E-MAIL!!
we wouldn't want to disturb the delicate nature of the list would we??
-blue
[email protected]
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:31:21 -0600
At 05:10 PM 1/27/96 -0800, you wrote:
>I was just wondering if Kelley's new band Solid State is going to be
>released on 4AD. Does anyone have more information about it, too????
you must be joking. i thought she barely knew how to play the damn
guitar. it must just be a joke.
s
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 19:48:45 -0400
oops. the reply i have usually sends to the name, not the list.
sorry about that.
Craig Olinsky
Cognitive Science Major
Vassar College
[email protected]
"Do not even consider taking a taxi into Tokyo. It will cose the earth.
It will also take as long as the bus and much more time that the train.
In the bad old days before the direct train service to Narita was
introduced, and the taxi was the quickest means of transport, one teacher
took a taxi out of Narita airport, and the fare (30,000 yen) was more than
the cost of his flight to Bangkok!" If you really want a deal on this
trip, take the Vassar shuttle. Simply stand outside the airport and wait.
It should show up momentarily. Standing and waiting in front of Main
dorm should also bring it, in a similar amount of time.
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 19:37:35 +0600
>ps. please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net
Don't anyone DARE do this! "Michal Hirschberger" is actually the DEVIL in
one of his infinite internet guises.
-cz
The unverified e-mail address is most definitely false but the gwu is
likely to be either hacked or false too.
___<<<<<<<<<*********[email protected]********>>>>>>>>>___
"That's how society strangled all those it wanted to get rid of, or wanted
to protect itself from, and put them in asylums, because they refused to be
accomplices to a kind of lofty swill.
For a lunatic is a man that society does not wish to hear but wants to
prevent from uttering certain unbearable truths." -Antonin Artaud
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 19:48:05 -0400
>just a friendly reminder: (sales plug) i have a copy of the show hnia
>performed a few days before x-mas on tape... any interested parties please
>respond (as always) PRIVATE E-MAIL!!
>
hmm....
what might you want for a copy of this?
Craig Olinsky
Cognitive Science Major
Vassar College
[email protected]
"Do not even consider taking a taxi into Tokyo. It will cose the earth.
It will also take as long as the bus and much more time that the train.
In the bad old days before the direct train service to Narita was
introduced, and the taxi was the quickest means of transport, one teacher
took a taxi out of Narita airport, and the fare (30,000 yen) was more than
the cost of his flight to Bangkok!" If you really want a deal on this
trip, take the Vassar shuttle. Simply stand outside the airport and wait.
It should show up momentarily. Standing and waiting in front of Main
dorm should also bring it, in a similar amount of time.
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 16:07:00 PST
>
>Paul wrote:
>
>>"Axiom of Choice"
>>
>>Can anyone tell me anything about this band? I ask because I saw a very
>>brief review that compared them to DCD, and because, as a fallen
>>mathematician, I can't resist the moniker.
>
>Isn't it, ahem, axiomatic that any group named after a scientific
>principle, axiom, law, experiment, thing etc. is automatically crap.
>Something to do with an excess of the wrong kind of intellectualism. I'm
>sure I've seen loads of examples, but right now I can only think of Red
>Shift.
(see sig file below for why I zeroed in on this one)
Well that's an awfully _axiomatic_ view of "scientific" band names!! :)
What's in a name etc. I take it no one here has actually _heard_ this
band(?); I'm intrigued (DCD reference) to find out more about them. Also,
I've never heard Red Shift, but I actually kind of like the idea of
referencing science in a band name. Now, Silverchair, _there's_ a shitty
band name!! (As are most band names here in Seattle...)
______________
>
>On Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:39:29 -0800, nb wrote:
>
>>I have been out of the country for 2 weeks and probably missed a whole
bun=
>ch
>>of stuff about this topic. But could anyone give a quick
>>review/opinion/description of the latest Cocteau Twins effort? Also is it
=
>an
>>album or an EP and is it available in the US yet?
>
>It's a four song EP released in the US in December. It's as much a
>Mark Clifford (Seefeel) project as a Cocteau Twins project, and is
>thus the polar opposite of the acoustic Twinlights. If you like
>ambient you should find it interesting. I didn't at first, but it's
>grown on me, and I've come to love the hypnosis of "Seekers Who Are
>Lovers", and the radiant opening of "Cherry Coloured Funk", at least.
I absolutely love Otherness -- it's some of the greatest and most
interesting / innovative stuff I've heard in quite a while, and this coming
from one who has been disappointed by CT for the past few years. But then,
I'm a big Seefeel fan as well.
A while ago I heard something about a Seefeel remix of the entire _Treasure_
album (a fave of mine); I'm guessing that whatever root of truth was in that
rumor is realized in _Otherness_. Anyone know for sure?
>The new album, "Milk & Kisses" is due in March, though someone posted
>it's not to be released in the US until April. According to a review
>by Mike Borum, it's superb.
You know, when CT are discussed on this list, good (or suberb) vs. bad don't
really work, since there are such different opinions on them, which
basically seem to boil down to two camps. From what Mike Borum said, is
"Milk & Kisses" more along the lines of 4CC, or TwinLights, or Otherness? If
it's anything like Otherness, I'm incredibly anxious.
+ -- Thom S. Heileson
+ +- oR [antiAxiomaticism unlimited]
+ - [email protected]
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